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« Reply #100 on: December 12, 2015, 11:04:20 AM »

http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2015/12/drone-strikes-are-creating-hatred-towards-america-will-last-generations/124327/?oref=d-river

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"... in the wake of the ISIL-linked terrorist attacks in Paris, four whistleblowers in the United States Air Force wrote an open letter to the Obama Administration calling for an end to drone strikes. The authors, all of whom had operational experience with drone strikes, wrote that such attacks 'fueled the feelings of hatred that ignited terrorism and groups like Isis, while also serving as a fundamental recruitment tool.' They say that the killing of innocent civilians by American drones is one of most 'devastating driving forces for terrorism and destabilization around the world.'"
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« Reply #101 on: December 12, 2015, 12:31:11 PM »

So, the obvious question is presented:

What then to do instead about the Jihadis who are the target of the strikes?  I'm guessing invading again would be even less popular , , ,
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« Reply #102 on: December 13, 2015, 11:56:16 AM »

Great to see Bigdog stop in!  Some thoughts on this:

They are whistleblowers in terms of protection for criticizing policy, but it sound to me like they are 4 people entitled to an opinion.  Having operational experience in the drone program would not necessarily make them knowledgeable on motivation for terror and joining ISIS.  That said, that viewpoint seems valid.

Bombing from an unmanned aerial vehicle, to the bombed, is quite similar to bombed by a pilot bombing mission.  Yes I can see the difference in perception.  It appears cowardly that we want to protect our own loss of life, but that is a worthy interest IMOttt.

Our rules of engagement and other circumstances cause most of these bombing missions to not drop strike any targets.  I think we go to great lengths to protect civilian loss of life, in the context that this is war that they declared on us.  

ISIS and al Qaida leaders and terrorists kill in war and then hide among these civilians.  Which side is endangering the civilians?  Them.  WHo gets blamed?  Us.  Israel knows how this works.

One alternative is not attack and then wait for them to end their grievance against us.  Efficacy aside, we can measure the political power of that in Rand Paul's candidacy.  Even Bernie says attack and destroy them.  I doubt he would but that is beside the point.

The worst part is that we seem to be faking a war effort with our drone strikes.  By having a half effort going to defeat them, they are surviving it and able to use it as said, to generate more enthusiasm for their effort.  What we did in other war efforts was probably far more brutal, but it was part of a commitment to winning and therefore it had an ending to it.  

On the political side, the newly elected Nobel winning President seemed unlikely to continue the drone strikes, yet he did.  Some of us wondered what the outrage would have been had that been a Republican Commander in chief the last 7 years.  Now it seems that Obama used this method of limited warfare for his entire term only to get it banned before we really try to defeat this enemy.

To Crafty's question:  Obviously there is a ground component necessary to win when the free world decides to get serious.  I believe there is a great urgency as they are literally breeding terrorists in their rape and pillage warfare.  This reported effect strengthens the argument to act urgently and decisively, in my view. 
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« Reply #103 on: December 26, 2015, 12:56:15 PM »

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/26/technology/a-silicon-valley-for-drones-in-north-dakota.html?emc=edit_th_20151226&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=49641193
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« Reply #104 on: January 17, 2016, 12:13:05 AM »

https://www.facebook.com/verge/videos/1022225121147164/
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« Reply #105 on: January 18, 2016, 09:49:43 PM »

http://discover.economist.com/?a=21650071&cid1=d/soc/Facebook/dyn/21650071/20151222-00:00am/paid/social-LA/BR-TE/BRPII/n/subs/US/BR-LIT&cid3=UM
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« Reply #106 on: January 28, 2016, 08:20:37 AM »

https://www.minds.com/blog/view/538487741193658368?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=marchagainstmonsanto
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« Reply #107 on: February 02, 2016, 09:50:01 AM »

https://www.facebook.com/GlobalNews/videos/962560870458345/
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« Reply #108 on: February 08, 2016, 10:55:21 AM »


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Beautiful, but OTOH it looks like we are headed for a world where one can be on camera everywhere all the time.
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« Reply #109 on: March 09, 2016, 06:50:02 PM »

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/03/09/pentagon-admits-has-deployed-military-spy-drones-over-us/81474702/
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« Reply #110 on: March 09, 2016, 06:53:57 PM »


Life in the era of hope and change.
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« Reply #111 on: March 26, 2016, 07:04:04 PM »

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/defense/274293-playing-the-drone-playbook
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