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« Reply #50 on: June 14, 2017, 11:51:00 AM »

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/14/shooting-at-gop-baseball-practice-latest-in-pattern-of-violence-against-republicans/

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Shooting At GOP Baseball Practice Latest In Pattern Of Violence Against Republicans
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The shooting at a congressional GOP baseball practice is just the latest in an escalating pattern of violence and intimidation against Republicans.

James T. Hodgkinson opened fire on GOP lawmakers and staffers with a rifle on Wednesday morning as they prepared for the annual summer baseball game between Republicans and Democrats. The shooter wounded several victims, including House Majority Whip Steve Scalise and a staffer for Texas Rep. Roger Williams, before heroically being taken down by Capitol Police.

If not for the attendance of Scalise — whose leadership position comes with a security detail — “it would have been a massacre,” said Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, who managed to avoid getting shot. “I felt like I was back in Iraq but without my weapon,” said Ohio Rep. Brad Wenstrup, a former combat surgeon.

Hodgkinson’s social media profile revealed the 66-year-old was a left-wing Bernie Sanders supporter who believed President Trump is a “Traitor.” In one foreboding Facebook post in March, Hodgkinson wrote, “It’s Time to Destroy Trump & Co.”


Even before Wednesday’s shooting, Republicans were growing used to being on the receiving end of violence and intimidation amidst an increasingly hostile political climate where left-wingers portrayed them as “fascists.”

One of Virginia Rep. Tom Garrett’s town halls last month featured a heavy police presence after Garrett and his family were targeted by repeated death threats. “This is how we’re going to kill your wife,” read one such message, Garrett told Politico. “I don’t want to die anytime soon. I got stuff left to do, I hope. But when you pull wives and children in, that’s not cool.”

Also last month, police in Tennessee charged 35-year-old Wendi Wright with felony reckless endangerment for allegedly trying to run Republican Congressman David Kustoff off the road after a town hall he held regarding the GOP health care bill. If Wright stays out of trouble and abides by the terms of her one-year restraining order, then all charges will be expunged from her record, reported BuzzFeed, which covered the story in sympathetic terms. “Wendi Wright can’t have any contact with Republican Rep. David Kustoff for a year after she chased after him for his vote on Obamacare last month,” read the story’s sub-headline.

The same day Wright was charged, police in North Dakota escorted a man from a town hall with Rep. Kevin Cramer after the man became physical with the Republican congressman and shoved a fistful of money into Cramer’s collar.

Town halls, in general, have become increasingly volatile environments, as left-wing activists have organized hostile town halls. (RELATED: Leaked Audio Reveals Anti-Trump Forces Manufacturing Hostile Town Hall)

Video from one of California Rep. Tom McClintock’s town halls in February shows police escorting him to his car afterwards, as emotional protesters chanted “Shame!” At least four tires were slashed outside the town hall.

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Also in February, a 71-year-old female staffer for California Rep. Dana Rohrbacher was knocked unconscious during an angry protest activists staged outside Rohrbacher’s office.

Alabama Republican Mo Brooks announced shortly afterwards he would hold off on holding public town halls out of safety concerns. “I want things to settle down a little bit before I’m willing to subject citizens to bodily harm or damage to their personal property,” he explained. Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert similarly put a hold on town halls, “until the threat of violence at town hall meetings recedes.” Left-wing website ThinkProgress claimed there was “no evidence” to support Gohmert’s concerns about violence.

A popular parade in Portland, Oregon was cancelled in April after threats of violence were made against a local Republican organization taking part.

An email warned parade organizers that 200 or more protesters would rush into the parade and drag the Republicans out, if that’s what it took to keep them from participating. “You have seen how much power we have downtown and that the police cannot stop us from shutting down roads so please consider your decision wisely,” the email warned. Portland has been a site for organized left-wing protests, which have often turned into violent riots. (RELATED: Leader Of Portland Anti-Trump Protests Charged With Sexually Abusing A Minor)

The threat was sent from an email address registered with RiseUp.Net, an organization that is open about “providing communication and computer resources to allies engaged in struggles against capitalism and other forms of oppression.”

The Oregon threat followed left-ring rioters turning Berkeley, California, into a literal political battlefield to keep pro-Trump speakers from appearing in public.

Pro-Trump commentator Milo Yiannopoulos had his speech at the University of California-Berkeley cancelled after rioters set the campus ablaze in order to keep him from speaking. (RELATED: ‘INFERNO’ — Milo Speech Cancelled After Rioters Set Campus Ablaze [VIDEO])


Those same activists were able to shut down pro-Trump commentator Ann Coulter’s UC Berkeley speech just by promising a repeat performance of the Milo riots. (RELATED: Documents Tie Berkeley Riot Organizers To Pro-Pedophilia Group NAMBLA)

A month before the election, someone firebombed a North Carolina GOP office. A building adjacent to the office was spray painted with a warning: “Nazi Republicans get out of town or else.”

Educational institutions are no exception, as Republican students have been targeted there as well.

The day after the election, sophomore high school student Jade Armenio was attacked after she expressed her support for Trump on social media. Armenio, who was white, was attacked by another female student, who was black. The attacker ripped Armenio’s glasses off and punched her in the face. The attack was caught on video.

“This girl comes up to me and she said, ‘Do you hate Mexicans?’ and I was like, ‘no,’ and she said, ‘You support Trump. You hate Mexicans,'” Armenio told local news station KGO-TV.

The president of Cornell University’s College Republicans, Olivia Corn, said she was physically assaulted the night after Trump won the election. “Fuck you, racist bitch, you support a racist party,” her attacker reportedly said. Corn was attacked even though, in her own words, she was “not Donald Trump’s biggest fan.” She added that she “was saddened that I was not afforded the same respect that I offer others.”

A Maryland high school student wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat after the election was punched and kicked by students protesting Trump after he started arguing with them.

Similarly, police in Florida arrested a 17-year-old high school student after he punched a classmate for carrying a Trump sign at school.

“It definitely had a political motivation,” Lt. Mike Bandish of the Palm Bay Police Department told news organizations. “The boy was carrying a Trump sign and walked into the gym. The other boy punched him in the face.” (RELATED: Liberal Media Ignores Violence Against Trump Supporters, Focuses On Unproven Anti-Trump Stories)

In another instance of post-election violence directed at Trump supporters, 24-year-old Corey Cataldo was reportedly attacked on a New York subway for the crime of wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat.
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« Reply #51 on: June 14, 2017, 03:53:49 PM »

#Invalid YouTube Link#


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfz8KXVOpWY

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« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2017, 06:41:36 PM »

http://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2017/06/14/fck-steve-scalise-huffpost-writer-wishes-violent-resistance-were-more-organized/

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« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2017, 07:33:02 PM »

"Jesse Benn ✔ @JesseBenn
For violent resistance to work it'd need to be organized. Individual acts can be understandable, but likely counterproductive/ineffective."

no doubt many on the LEFT  agree with him and wish the shooter was a better shot then he obviously was.

Does anyone think Kathy Griffen or Alec Baldwin are upset tonight?

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« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2017, 07:36:58 PM »

Anyone who has doubts that many on the LEFT are in total agreement with the shooter today read this and erase your naive doubts:

https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/wtf-msm-special-edition-scalise-deserved-it
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« Reply #55 on: June 15, 2017, 01:43:37 AM »

http://www.claremont.org/crb/article/the-cold-civil-war/
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« Reply #56 on: June 15, 2017, 01:44:36 AM »

second post

https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2017/06/15/can-a-divided-america-survive-n2341079
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« Reply #57 on: June 15, 2017, 09:03:35 AM »


No. This can't continue. It won't.

Plan accordingly.
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« Reply #58 on: June 15, 2017, 04:44:50 PM »

http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2017/06/the-common-driver-of-public-violence.html

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« Reply #59 on: June 15, 2017, 04:53:29 PM »


Yes.
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« Reply #60 on: June 15, 2017, 05:02:42 PM »

https://news.vice.com/story/extremism-experts-are-starting-to-worry-about-the-left

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« Reply #61 on: June 15, 2017, 11:00:46 PM »

http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/after-banning-confederate-memorials-dems-now-focus-on-destroying-the-founders
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« Reply #62 on: June 16, 2017, 12:45:07 AM »


Mao did all he could to destroy Chinese history. The Khmer Rouge killed everyone with eyeglasses because the new society they were building couldn't be contaminated by people that could read.

Always, they feel the need to destroy a society so they can make their eutopia in it's ruins.
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« Reply #63 on: June 16, 2017, 06:59:28 AM »

GM:

"Mao did all he could to destroy Chinese history. The Khmer Rouge killed everyone with eyeglasses because the new society they were building couldn't be contaminated by people that could read.

Always, they feel the need to destroy a society so they can make their eutopia in it's ruins."

I am half way through 'Stalin , the Court of the Red Tsar'
and presently reading about the "Terror" of 1937 to 1938.  estimates 700,000 people were murdered and well over a million sent to Siberia, sometimes tortured with beating.

A real eye opener into human nature .   We always hear about Hitler and the Nazis.

We hear far less about Stalin.  Some of what is known is only now known in the West because it was hidden or destroyed by Soviet era officials.  I also admit it is hard to follow all the characters with there names that are rather complicated to remember for an English speaking person.

Stalin/s propaganda was always he was doing it for the cause and it was all good . 

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« Reply #64 on: June 16, 2017, 09:45:48 AM »

Weather underground and other assorted radical 60's style punks back in force.

oh the nostalgia for the 60s!    rolleyes


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/15/gop-candidate-karen-handel-confirms-she-received-package-containing-threatening-letters-and-a-suspicious-substance/

They got their weed , open and free sex, downing of religion but need to renew  their hatred of conservatives and America as before.

Same old stuff.
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« Reply #65 on: June 16, 2017, 02:23:35 PM »

https://heatst.com/politics/nj-democratic-strategist-starts-huntrepublicans-and-huntrepublicancongressman/

NJ Democratic Strategist Launches #HuntRepublicans and #HuntRepublicanCongressmen
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By Jillian Kay Melchior | 9:53 am, June 16, 2017
 
After a shooter in Alexandria left House Majority Whip Steve Scalise in critical condition and wounded four other people, a longtime New Jersey Democratic political strategist responded by introducing the hashtags #HuntRepublicans and #HuntRepublicanCongressmen.

“We are in a war with selfish, foolish & narcissistic rich people,” wrote James Devine on Twitter. “Why is it a shock when things turn violent? #HuntRepublicanCongressmen.”

Devine has run for office, consulted for numerous New Jersey campaigns, and worked in the offices of state lawmakers. He’s also a blogger.

In an interview with MyCentralNewJersey.com, Devine said, “If you want to invite a class war, then you have to expect people to fight back at some point.” The Democratic strategist also wrote on Facebook that he had “little sympathy” for Scalise because of his lack of support for gun control.

Several New Jersey Democrats criticized Devine’s comments and said they did not endorse violence.

But Devine has refused to apologize and has continued using the controversial hashtags.

“I am sorry if my #HuntRepublicanCongressmen hashtag hurt the feelings of any GOP snowflakes but you have not egaged in civil discourse,” Devine said on Twitter late Thursday afternoon.

In an interview with New Jersey 101.5, Devine admitted his comments were “insensitive.”

“And I don’t care,” he said. “You want me to be politically correct? I don’t have time for that anymore.”

In 2014, Devine was convicted for shoplifting lettuce, protein powder and hair conditioner.

And in 2015, state election officials charged the Democratic strategist with 23 separate election-law violations; the Election Law Enforcement Commission claimed he never reported nearly $79,000 in contributions and more than $70,000 in expenditures involving his Central Jersey Democratic Leadership Committee.

— Jillian Kay Melchior writes for Heat Street and is a fellow for the Steamboat Institute and the Independent Women’s Forum.
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« Reply #66 on: June 21, 2017, 10:21:38 AM »

https://www.facebook.com/TheFederalistPapers/videos/1516961251675439/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED 
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« Reply #67 on: June 23, 2017, 05:57:16 PM »

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/antifa-liberal-fight-wooden-sign/

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/antifa-gym-self-defense/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiurATJxmaw

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/study-antifa-live-mothers/

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« Reply #68 on: July 03, 2017, 03:53:51 PM »

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/30/how-liberal-portland-became-americas-most-politically-violent-city-215322
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« Reply #69 on: July 06, 2017, 01:00:46 PM »

http://www.kvoa.com/story/35826190/protester-arrested-at-sen-flakes-tucson-office

Protester arrested at Sen. Flake's Tucson office
Posted: Jul 06, 2017 10:41 AM PDT
Updated: Jul 06, 2017 10:41 AM PDT
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A protester was arrested at Sen. Jeff Flake’s Tucson office Thursday morning.

According to a media release distributed Wednesday by the Tucson Chapter of Progressive Democrats of America, dozens of people planned a sit-in at the Senator’s office to demand that he vote “No” on the Better Care Reconciliation Act.

The release stated, “Protesters to Risk Arrest in Sen. Jeff Flake’s Office to Save Health Care for Millions of Americans.”

According to Jason Samuels, Sen. Flake’s Communications Director, the protester was arrested for making the following statement:

      Protester: You know how liberals are going to solve the Republican problem?

      Staffer: No.

      Protester: They are going to get better aim.  That last guy tried, but he needed better aim.  We will get better aim.

News 4 Tucson is waiting for more information from the Pima County Sheriff’s Department regarding the incident and will provide updates as more information becomes available.
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« Reply #70 on: July 07, 2017, 08:07:55 PM »

http://www.dailywire.com/news/18343/california-democratic-party-sues-conservative-peter-van-voorhis?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=051717-news&utm_campaign=dwtwitter#
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« Reply #71 on: July 19, 2017, 02:40:04 PM »

https://heatst.com/culture-wars/antifa-website-promotes-all-manner-of-physical-violence-against-trump-supporters-and-capitalists/

Antifa Website Encourages All Manner of Physical Violence Against Trump Supporters and Capitalists
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By Ian Miles Cheong | 3:50 pm, June 19, 2017
 
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The Antifa website It’s Going Down has become the de facto resource for anarchists and “anti-fascist” activists currently engaging in sporadic street battles across the United States against Trump supporters and the government. The site calls for violence against capitalists and anyone it labels a “fascist.”

It features posters for self-identified anarchists that call for Trump supporters to be stabbed. A poster published in April shows the silhouette of a man with a Make America Great Again hat and a Pepe the Frog lapel pin being cornered by a bayonet. Behind him is the transparent silhouette of a Nazi.



Other publications include burning the Canadian flag ahead of the country’s 150th anniversary, and an introduction to anarchism that perfectly describes the victim complex most of the leftist ideology’s followers live with.


Much like the posters urging violence againstTrump’s supporters, It’s Going Down justifies violent actions in many of its publications as not only good but necessary to the survival of minorities and the disenfranchised.

A library of downloadable publications on the website offers long-form articles that call for “insurrectionary mass resistance and refusal” and asks moderate liberals to join arms with the far left. One describes liberal allies as “accomplices” to capitalists. A piece titled Work, Community, Politics, War suggests that anarchists “are imposing our needs on society without debate” and urge militant tactics against employers and law enforcement.

As with any group of social justice warriors, the Antifa website also offers a variety of publications on “gender and patriarchy,” including one called Toward the Queerest Insurrection, which describes being queer as “the cohesion of everything in conflict with the heterosexual capitalist world.” Another, titled Dangerous Spaces, offers fictional revenge stories against homophobes and rapists. It is “a violence that liberates.” It opens with a note:  “Much of the content in this zine may be triggering.”
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« Reply #72 on: July 25, 2017, 02:04:24 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4DtDsEo_uY#action=share

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http://www.redstate.com/prevaila/2017/07/24/becoming-fox-news-kat-timpf-assaulted-campaign-event/
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« Reply #73 on: July 28, 2017, 01:46:10 AM »

https://farleftwatch.com/2017/07/26/far-left-militia-training-for-guerrilla-warfare/

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Far left militia training for “guerrilla warfare”

Right wing radio personality, Dana Loesch and The National Rifle Association recently came under fire for launching a “controversial” ad. There was an immediate backlash from numerous left leaning publications claiming that the video was a call to violence. Interestingly enough, the recent spike in political violence has come overwhelmingly from the left. Even more concerning is the growth of far left organizations openly advocating for “armed struggle”, especially considering the recent targeted shooting of Republican House Majority Whip Steve Scalise and three others by a deranged left wing activist.

One of the largest and fastest growing organizations that fits this description is Redneck Revolt, a self described “above ground militant formation” founded in June of 2016 that claims to have 30+ vetted branches nationwide.

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Redneck Revolt’s organizing principles mirror much of what you would see on any other far left organizing platform. They begin with their very reasonable, very easy to support, opposition to “white supremacy”. They then dive into class theory, anti-capitalist, and anti-wealth rhetoric that could have been copied directly from The Communist Manifesto. And finally, they wrap up with open calls for “militant resistance” and “revolution”.

Since their inception, Redneck Revolt has been very busy recruiting at gun shows and community events, advocating for class war, contributing to the far left anarchist website It’s Going Down, and conducting armed anti-Trump demonstrations.

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But what’s most alarming are the resources they provide on their website. They promote several PDFs that endorse “armed struggle” and even offer a 36 page “Mini-Manual Of The Urban Guerrilla” (bottom right of resource page) which pictures left-wing militants using RPGs and outlines tactics for guerrilla warfare including sections on “sabotage”, “kidnapping”, “executions”, “armed propaganda”, and “terrorism”.

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That’s right. A far left militia claiming to have 30+ vetted branches is providing training materials for violent guerrilla warfare and all of this information is publicly available on their own website. Not surprisingly, the same left-leaning publications that were outraged by the NRA ad I mentioned earlier have not reported on this publicly available information. In fact, some of these publications have even championed the growth of the far left militia movement. In June, Mother Jones published an article praising Redneck Revolt and other left-wing militants. In July, The Guardian published an article with similar sentiments.

The mission of Far Left Watch is to investigate, expose, and combat far left extremism. Please share this article via Twitter, Facebook, etc. and encourage friendly media and YouTube content creators to report on this breaking information.

If you have any tips on far left activities please submit them here.
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« Reply #74 on: August 14, 2017, 11:19:24 AM »

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-curse-of-identity-politics/

The Curse Of Identity Politics
By ROD DREHER • August 13, 2017, 2:12 PM
   

Charlottesville, August 12. Is this America’s future? (Stephen Melkisethian/Flickr)
Charlottesville is the kind of America that identity politics is calling into being. It’s time for straight talk about that.

On the Right, the story is fairly straightforward. Neo-Nazis, white nationalists, and their ilk have to be condemned in no uncertain terms, and marginalized. The president’s coy rhetoric, dancing around these people for fear of alienating them, has to end. (I don’t expect it to end, but others on the Right need to speak up to condemn him.)

It is not enough for conservative politicians and thought leaders to condemn these incidents. In their rhetoric, they need to start criticizing the principles of identity politics, across the board. They should emphasize what unites us as Americans. And this: pastors and other leaders within the church have to start teaching clearly and directly on this front. More than that, they have to recognize that racial tribalism is a strong god — a false one, but a strong one. The mild, therapeutic God that they preach, teach, and proclaim is weak in the face of it. Don’t misunderstand: I’m not talking about the actual God of the Bible. I’m talking about the way our priests, pastors, religious teachers, and families present Him to their flocks — especially their young men.

There’s a great book coming out in November — oh, how I wish it were available now! — called God Is Not Nice, by the Catholic theologian and college professor Ulrich Lehner. It’s a shocking title, but it’s meant to be: Lehner wants to wake up the church. It’s a broadside against Moralistic Therapeutic Deism, and the way every institution in our culture — including many churches and families — think of God (“as some kind of divine therapist … a psychiatrist who treats each of his patients the same way, a friend whom we can call in times of need”).

“Why change your life for such a God?” Lehner asks. “He makes no demands.”

Lehner writes that “we all need the vaccine of knowing the true transforming and mysterious character of God: the God who shows up in burning bushes, speaks through donkeys, drives demons into pigs, throws Saul to the ground, and appears to St. Francis. It’s only this God who has the power to challenged us, change us, and make our lives dangerous. He sweeps us into a great adventure that will make us into different people.”

Christians: if you don’t want to lose your sons to the false god of white nationalism, then you had better introduce them (and yourselves) to the God of the Bible, who is rather different from the God of the comfortable American middle class.

It is widely acknowledged among conservative Christians today that the white church in the South failed terribly in the civil rights era. The failure was not primarily because they stood for white supremacy (though some did). The failure was mostly because the churches did not preach against white supremacy, preferring instead to stay neutral, and cultivate an ethos that was suited to supporting the Southern white middle class at prayer.

Today, I am aware of young white men who attend comfortable middle-class churches, but who identify as white nationalists. I doubt very much their parents or their pastors know. But it’s happening. These aren’t young men who have been downtrodden by society; that would at least give some sort of social and economic rationale for their race radicalism. These are relatively privileged young men. Why do they find no anchor in the church? Why is the god of racial nationalism more appealing to them than the God of the Bible?

Finally, we on the Right have to start speaking out without fear against identity politics — and calling out people on the Left, especially those within institutions, for practicing it. The alt-right has correctly identified a hypocritical double standard in American culture. It’s one that allows liberals and their favored minority groups to practice toxic identity politics — on campus, in the media, in corporate America, on the streets — while denying the possibility to whites and males. By speaking out against left-wing identity politics, and by explaining, over and over, why identity politics are wrong and destructive, conservatives strengthen their position in chastising white nationalists on the Right.

But none of this will matter at all as long as the Left refuses to oppose identity politics in its own ranks. As I keep saying here, you cannot have an identity politics of the Left without calling up the same thing on the Right. Left-liberals who want conservatives to stigmatize and denounce white nationalism, but conservatives who do so will be sneered at by white nationalists as dupes and fools who advocate disarmament in the face of racist, sexist forces of the Left.

When the Left indulges in rhetoric that demonizes whites — especially white males — it summons the demons of white nationalism.

When the Left punishes white males who violate its own delicate speech taboos, while tolerating the same kind of rhetoric on its own side, it summons the demons of white nationalism.

When the Left obsesses over ethnic, sexual, and religious minorities, but ignores the plight of poor and working-class whites, it summons the demons of white nationalism.

When the Left institutionalizes demonization of white males in college classes, in political movements, in the media and elsewhere, it summons the demons of white nationalism.

When the Left attributes moral status, and moral goodness, to persons based on their race, their sex, their sexual orientation, or any such thing, it summons up the demons of white nationalism.

When the Left refuses to condemn the violent antifa protesters, and treats their behavior as no big deal, it summons the demons of white nationalism.

When the Left refuses to stand firm against aggressive manifestations of illiberalism — like we have seen over the past several years on certain college campuses — it summons the demons of white nationalism.

When the Left encourages within its ranks identification as a victim, and stirs up political passions based on perception that one is a victim of other groups in society, it summons the demons of white nationalism.

And on and on. The problem is not pointing out perceived injustices and inequities that afflict people of particular groups. This is a normal part of politics. The problem is in teaching people to identify passionately and wholly with their own tribe, to think of themselves and others in their tribe as innocent victims of the Enemy, and to conflate the interest of their tribe with the common good. In his new book The Once And Future Liberal, the liberal scholar Mark Lilla argues that identity politics is a dead end. In this passage, he talks about how corrupting identity politics is to college students. In this passage, he invites his reader to consider a young, politics-minded student entering a liberal college environment today:

She is at the age when the quest for meaning begins and in a place where her curiosity could be directed outward toward the larger world she will have to find a place in. Instead, she finds that she is being encouraged to plumb mainly herself, which seems an easier exercise. (Little does she know. …) She will first be taught that understanding herself depends on exploring the different aspects of her identity, something she now discovers she has. An identity which, she also learns, has already been largely shaped for her by various social and political forces. This is an important lesson, from which she is likely to draw the conclusion that the aim of education is not to progressively become a self through engagement with the wider world. Rather, one engages with the world and particularly politics for the limited aim of understanding and affirming what one already is.

And so she begins. She takes classes where she reads histories of the movements related to whatever she decides her identity is, and reads authors who share that identity. (Given that this is also an age of sexual exploration, gender studies will hold a particular attraction.) In these courses she also discovers a surprising and heartening fact: that although she may come from a comfortable, middle-class background, her identity confers on her the status of one of history’s victims. This discovery may then inspire her to join a campus groups that engages in movement work. The line between self-analysis and political action is now fully blurred. Her political interest will be real but circumscribed by the confines of her self-definition. Issues that penetrate those confines now take on looming importance and her position on them quickly becomes non-negotiable; those issues that don’t touch on her identity are not even perceived. Nor are the people affected by them.

Notice the last two lines in that passage. It explains why those on the Left most committed to identity politics make themselves blind to those outside their circles. They have little to no idea how others perceive them. The kind of identity politics dramas that work on college campuses or other highly liberal polities are not only ineffective in more moderate to conservative polities, they are positively harmful. Again: you cannot hold that identity politics is fine for non-white, LGBT, non-Christian people, but forbidden to those outside the circle of the Sacred Victims, without unavoidably providing a justification to all others in the polity to organize and advocate along the same lines.

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Wrong, wrong, wrong. This is where ordinary liberals go off the rails. This attitude justifies violence as long as it’s being committed by people whose cause they agree with, against people whose cause they hate. It is exactly at this point — construing left-wing hate as a virtue — that conservatives are tempted to stop caring what kind of violence the fascists visit on leftists. People on the Right who don’t sympathize with the those thugs get so sick of this double standard by the media and other left-wing institutions that they may cease giving a damn what kind of damage the extremists do.

Few people on the Left want to hear any of this, because the ethos of the Left is so heavily characterized by identity politics, and the sense of righteousness on which it feeds. But they had better recognize that there are a lot of white males in this country, and it benefits no one to push them toward radicalization around race consciousness. Thirty-one percent of the US population is white and male. The percentage of whites relative to non-whites is declining, and demographers expect the US to become a majority-minority country in the 2040s. If America is going to manage this transition into greater pluralism without a rise in racial hatred and violence, people on both the Left and the Right have to abandon identity politics, and stigmatize it.

We had better find some other way to bind Americans together, and to conceive of a common good, or what happened in Charlottesville is a picture of our nation’s future. Given how both parties, and the strongest forces in American culture, have formed the moral imagination of all Americans around the individual Self and its desires, I have my doubts as to whether or not we can pull it off. But if we don’t try, the alternative is Charlottesville, and beyond that, Yugoslavia as it broke apart.

If you think the responsibility for preventing that future is exclusively on the Left or exclusively on the Right, you’re lying to yourself, and not without consequence.

UPDATE: Philadelphia’s Catholic Archbishop, Charles Chaput, gets it right in his public statement:

Racism is a poison of the soul. It’s the ugly, original sin of our country, an illness that has never fully healed. Blending it with the Nazi salute, the relic of a regime that murdered millions, compounds the obscenity. Thus the wave of public anger about white nationalist events in Charlottesville this weekend is well warranted. We especially need to pray for those injured in the violence.

But we need more than pious public statements. If our anger today is just another mental virus displaced tomorrow by the next distraction or outrage we find in the media, nothing will change. Charlottesville matters. It’s a snapshot of our public unraveling into real hatreds brutally expressed; a collapse of restraint and mutual respect now taking place across the country. We need to keep the images of Charlottesville alive in our memories. If we want a different kind of country in the future, we need to start today with a conversion in our own hearts, and an insistence on the same in others. That may sound simple. But the history of our nation and its tortured attitudes toward race proves exactly the opposite.

UPDATE.2: Great comment from reader Brendan:

I agree with the diagnosis of the problem, but I do not think that identity politics are going away, for several reasons.

The first, and most important/intractable, is that the left’s intellectual leadership is “all in” on identity politics. They see it as a moral imperative to achieving justice, and that abandoning it would lead to perpetuating injustice. You and I disagree with them, but they hold their views with a religious-like fervor, and these views constitute, in many cases, a core part of their self-esteem and self-conception as virtuous people. They will not abandon this — instead, in the wake of things like C’Ville and Portland, they will double down, and double down again.

Second, as you rightly say, because of my first point, ID politics on the right is going to bloom. It’s just getting started, and the doubling down that is certain to come from the left will stoke that growth even further. It is a dysfunctional feedback loop, to be certain, but I do not think it can be stopped, because the academic/cultural “pump” that drives it will refuse to turn itself off.

Third, for people on the political right who are not Christians (more on us [Christians] below), the idea of railing against identity politics will increasingly seem to be folly. The reason is that, as you say, it is *powerful*. The last several federal elections have been won (and lost) on identity politics and “who can get out their (identity) base” better. This is real and raw power. And that is the greatest intoxicant known to man. Secular conservatives will be split between the “principled” ones who reject this, and the “pragmatic” (i.e., “want to win”) ones who accept it, for a time. In the medium term, the folks who want to win will prevail (the raison d’etre of any political movement, after all, is to win) and they will increasingly embrace this, because it will be obvious that it is the only way to consistently challenge the left in federal elections, especially as we keep on importing left wing voters that continue to grow the left’s identitarian base.

For Christians the issue is easy, I think. Identity politics are evil and divisive and do not reflect the will of God, whether you are white, black, straight, gay or what have you. It is evil. But this requires a perspective that is aloof from “winning”, which I think is the appropriate perspective for Christians to have politically, anyway. We will know that our principled stand is right, morally, but we will also know that it dooms us to totalitarian identity politics of the left which will likely seek to utterly eliminate us at some stage. This is the difficulty of the Christian walk, I think, in this time, and one of the reasons why we need to have something like the BenOp, because in order to embrace this path of principled defeat, and even perhaps annihilation, we will need to be strong in an interior sense, personally, as individuals — much stronger than most of us are today.

I appreciate you saying this, Brendan. Like you, I am quite pessimistic that identity politics will go away. I was going to save that for another post. I think if we are going to avoid some terrible kind of conflagration in the next decade or two, we need to come together to do the things that I’m talking about in this post. But I don’t think that’s going to happen. I hope I’m wrong.
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« Reply #75 on: August 14, 2017, 08:31:19 PM »

Just pointing out that Trump's original tweets occurred before it was confirmed that a Nazi was behind the wheel of the car that killed and injured those people in Charlottesville, but that it occurred after video showed violent clashes between antifa thugs and Nazi thugs.  He then offered condolences to the family of the woman killed by the Nazi.  He then went silent for about 40 hours.  He then gave his speech earlier today specifically including white supremacists, Nazis and the KKK as among those groups espousing hate.

Both extremes got the riot they desired.  The fact that this time it was the Nazis who committed Saturday's most heinous crime does not excuse the acts of antifa earlier in the day.  A pox on them both.
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« Reply #76 on: August 14, 2017, 08:49:02 PM »

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/371122.php

August 14, 2017
The Rise of Identity Politics Gives Birth, Get This, to a White Identity Politics as Well

I think Identity Politics of all kinds are odious and poisonous to the individual -- if your value is your race or gender, well, you have branded yourself as someone of extraordinarily low value, haven't you?

But as John Sexton points out, you can't expect a culture to praise all sorts of Identity Politics -- flat-out racist groups and gender supremacists -- but say that one group doesn't get to play by the same rules.

Either it's all poisonous garbage, or it's all got something of merit to it.

I believe the former. But the media -- and the establishment right political class -- cannot continue with this incoherent claim that Identity Politics are permissible for e everyone except The One Group Which is Truly Odious and Cursed by God.

People will not accept that. No one will accept his subordination without a fight of some kind.

Tonight I watched Stephen Hayes accuse Mollie Hemingway of living in an "alternate reality" for pointing out, correctly, that we have -- and have had -- a serious problem with leftwing identity politics thugs for years, with an increasing tempo of violence. The most recent major event being the attempted assassination of a half-dozen Republican congressmen by a Bernie Sanders reporter.

This, Steven Hayes intoned, was an "alternate reality." There is no problem with leftist violence or tribalistic hate politics -- it's perfectly acceptable for them, and we should say nothing about it.

I guess you can play #FakeNews #PretendOpposition as long as a billionaire patron is paying your bills.

After he tires of his toy -- when he begins to realize he's paying for something with no influence or relevance -- who knows.

I guess it's on to CNN for Steve Hayes, then.

After the Scalise shooting -- which was like two months ago-- the media, including the #FakeNews #PretendConservatives, only seemed willing to talk about leftwing violence in an article equally condemning rightwing violence.

Now we have a situation of rightwing violence (and lots of antifa violence, too), but the #FakeConservatives now insist we can only talk about rightwing violence -- and cannot, as they themselves previously did, discuss right and left violence in context, as two things that reinforce each other.

Which is exactly the claim Rachel Maddow makes.

If the Weekly Standard now exists exclusively to parrot the claims made nightly on Rachel Maddow -- What is the point of you, exactly?

I think a lot of these shills have an Exit Strategy from the GOP planned, and I think it's time to hurry them to the door.
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« Reply #77 on: August 15, 2017, 06:03:19 AM »

We have seen this story in the past.  For example, Germany from 1917 to the mid 1920's.

Spain in the mid-1930's.

Unless people are willing to acknowledge that antifa and the nazis are equally evil, we will descend in the same manner as Germany and Spain.

I heard Hayes say the same thing.  And Krauthammer.  People forget that Stalin and Hitler were allies from August 1939 until June 1941.  They carved up Poland together.  There is little difference in concept between the two forces.  They just choose different groups against which to spew their hate.
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« Reply #78 on: August 15, 2017, 06:41:28 AM »

citing they were on the council for business reasons and don't play politics but by the very fact they are resigning now they are playing politics!:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/08/14/under-armour-ceo-quit-trumps-job-council-over-charlottesville-rally-response/567319001/

I don't know.  I thought Trump's initial response was appropriate.  He denounced bigotry and violence from both sides.
We all know Obama only denounced it if it was whites and remained silent on bigotry and violence from others.
as noted in the above posts.
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« Reply #79 on: August 15, 2017, 08:24:10 AM »

ccp:  "I thought Trump's initial response was appropriate.  He denounced bigotry and violence from both sides."

I wasn't following this over the weekend, and trying not to now, but his reaction seemed fine.  His opponents' reaction seemed predictable and then yesterday he uttered in the strongest terms everything they wanted him to say.  This wasn't about him and I can see why he didn't want to make it about him.  

Freedom of speech only becomes an issue when it is ugly speech.  Driving a car into a crowd isn't protected speech or acceptable to anyone.  It makes your own group look bad or draws attention to them already looking bad.  If stories that he threatened his mother with a knife are true, a serious crime, maybe the idea of prevention goes back to enforcing existing laws.

Meanwhile NK canceled its attack on the US (Guam).  Ho hum..


[Rick]  "There is little difference in concept between the two forces [Stalin and Hitler].  They just choose different groups against which to spew their hate."

Interesting that both of those evil forces chose the big, powerful government route, as does our left, while the conservative right, when it remembers its principles and direction, favors small government and individual freedom FOR ALL.  There is no such thing in my mind as a big government conservative.

The party of Lincoln who freed the slaves is the opposite of both the neo Nazis and militant white racists.  We oppose racial preferences and want immigrants here for their contribution and their common interest in our liberties, not as parasites, jihadists or to turn us into the place they came from.


VP Mike Pence:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/13/pence-charlottesville-supremacists-241598
"I will say I take issue with the fact that many in the national media spent more time criticizing the president’s words than they did criticizing those that perpetrated the violence to begin with."   "We should be putting the attention where it belongs, and that is on those extremist groups that need to be pushed out of the public debate entirely and discredited for the hate groups and dangerous fringe groups that they are."
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« Reply #80 on: August 15, 2017, 03:27:28 PM »

http://www.jammiewf.com/2017/anti-trump-activist-executes-his-republican-neighbor-u-s-media-yawns/

Anti-Trump ‘Activist’ Executes His Republican Neighbor, U.S. Media Yawns
Posted by Jammie on Aug 15, 2017 at 3:14 pm
ClaytonCarter

Weird how this happened a week ago, yet we’ve yet to have any national conversation about violent liberals.

An anti-Trump activist has been accused of executing his neighbor who was a prominent Republican supporter.

Clayton Carter allegedly shot George Jennings, both 51, twice in the head outside his home in Pennsylvania in the early hours of August 8.

The men had already been arguing the previous night and police were called after Carter pulled a gun, but managed to diffuse the situation.

However, officers were called back just a few hours later to reports of a fatal attack, ABC 6 News reports.

The pair had been feuding for some time, neighbors said, adding that they were afraid of Carter’s unpredictable nature.

ABC reports that his yard was covered with hand-painted anti-Trump signs and was often filled with cars.

Jennings, meanwhile, was a member of the Chester County Republican Committee, though it is not thought their beliefs were directly responsible for the shooting.

In his defense he can just claim the guy was a Nazi, right?

Carter accused Jennings of shining a light into his eyes as he was returning home, and went inside to fetch a .380-caliber Ruger semi-automatic handgun.

Carter went back outside and parked his car up on Jennings’ lawn with his lights on full beam, according to a criminal complaint seen by Philly.com.

A heated argument then started and Carter shot Jennings in the head, knocking him to the ground, the complaint says.

Carter then shot Jennings in the head a second time while standing over his body, as his distraught wife watched from inside the house, it is alleged.

So a frothing anti-Trump “activist” executes a Republican in cold blood and it doesn’t even register on the national radar. Reverse the roles here and tell us this wouldn’t be a 24/7 story for days.
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« Reply #81 on: August 15, 2017, 04:15:06 PM »

"So a frothing anti-Trump “activist” executes a Republican in cold blood and it doesn’t even register on the national radar."

"In his defense he can just claim the guy was a Nazi, right?"

Well no mention of politics here :

Is that to cover up the fact that it was a Trump vs anti Trump fight?

http://6abc.com/police-man-killed-by-neighbor-after-dispute/2286340/

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« Reply #82 on: August 15, 2017, 04:19:25 PM »

People are judging Trump's response assuming that the identity of the driver was known at about 4:30 pm EDT when Trump tweeted and then gave his first formal remarks.  My recollection is that the news about the driver's identity broke after Trump's speech.

At the time of the Saturday afternoon speech, there was news about a riot between antifa and nazis over the RE Lee statue.  There was the video of the car plowing into the crowd.  However, the news of the person's arrest and the release of his identity came many hours after Trump's first comments.  Trump issued condolences to the family of the woman killed by the driver and called her innocent.

What galls me here is that people are not accurately reporting the timeline of events and criticizing Trump's initial comments as if there was clear evidence that the nazis were the only ones at fault.  

And then there is this article about the Charlottesville Mayor proclaiming his city to be the capitol of "the resistance."

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/14/flashback-charlottesville-mayor-declares-city-capital-of-the-resistance/
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« Reply #83 on: August 15, 2017, 06:30:20 PM »

Michael Savage , I know is not super popular around here but he had some good lines today

people who were never nazis are now fighting people who were never slaves

he suggested Mt Rushmore is next to be desecrated

I mean Thomas Jefferson is now in the same category as Hitler and Stalin and Mao and I think someone could think of some bad things about Washington.

I would certainly help that other republicans would come out and start defending him on this point if not on others
However I do not hold my breath


addendum:  forget about any Republican support . 

https://pjmedia.com/video/krauthammer-says-trumps-statement-moral-disgrace/
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« Reply #84 on: August 16, 2017, 02:13:08 PM »

http://gatesofvienna.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/bracken_charlottesville-video.jpg



VSP and VANG acting as force multipliers for antifa?
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« Reply #85 on: August 16, 2017, 04:58:43 PM »

We are clearly not getting the whole story

Why did the police "stand down"  ?
Why did the mayor lie and put the blame on Trump?

Why were there not some barricades between the groups?

Something is very fishy!
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« Reply #86 on: August 16, 2017, 07:29:27 PM »

McAuliffe is one of the most sleazy lying bullshit artists that ever lived.  Who can forget what a prick he was during the 90s as head of the DNC and was worse then Debbie Schultz . So this perpetuation of lies is certainly no surprise:

https://reason.com/blog/2017/08/16/virginia-state-police-say-they-didnt-fin
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« Reply #87 on: August 20, 2017, 07:31:46 PM »

From a post on facehuggerbook:

A brilliant friend who wishes to remain nameless reminds us why incidents like Charlottesville are all too inevitable in a nation with a hard left high command, an army of portable paid thugs, and a vast population of sentimental liberals who believe they stand only for truth and 'social justice.'
""The left could care less about this issue (Confederate statuary), as they could care less about any of their issues. "The issue is never the issue, the issue is always revolution". This is why they got gay marriage, then just moved on to Trans rights while shrugging off 50 gays getting killed in Orlando. When the transgender fight is over it'll be pedo rights or whatever.
... Very soon there will be a push to get rid of the entire American Revolution and all of the founding fathers. Jefferson will be first, but Washington won't be far behind.
Overriding all of this is the push to declare all of conservatism illegal. All religions not part of the cult of leftism are hate speech. Any support of the USA as a country is hateful, bigoted and evil. You supporting your own existence or political power is racism, nationalism and white supremacy.

The left has no limits. It's vital to understand that. No battle they pick is over the stated issue. Each is merely a step towards the goal of eradicating Western Civilization. They've set up a self reinforcing system of rewards, whereby SJWs out bid each other to come up with new ways to be offended. Thus it's become an ever more radical movement. It's not about the monuments. Of course glorifying slavery is bad. But should we not then tear down the Pyramids? Trust me, there is NO vestige of Western Civilization that could not be destroyed on the same premise. Every Castle in Europe occupied by a despot, every Church, every document, every classic of literature, etc. In world where a few degrees of separation join all things, guilt by association can be used to criticize anything, because its all a degree or two away from something that can be demonized. Look what's happening to Football; to the definition of family and gender, to every holiday. Anything can be destroyed if the standard is that it's related to something bad. Guess what that includes? Everything. SJWs in South Africa are going after Isaac Newton and Gravity as "western colonial science". Get it? Nothing is off limits. No. Single. Thing.

This is about enshrining the left as The One True Religion. They will replace everything with their own cultish iconography. They will likewise replace all ideas with their own. The fight over the Google memo is identical to this fight. It's about declaring all things non-leftist outside the scope of even debate. This is not about the confederacy. That's yet another in a long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long list of fronts. It's about the existence of anything outside of leftism. It's about eliminating debate and installing a global Religion of Leftism. And make no mistake, that religion plans on replacing monuments, books, science and facts, liberty, the white population, the concept of natural rights, the rule of law, free speech, Christianity, the USA, Europe and all of Western Civilization. In fact, if you defend any of those things, you are a Nationalist, a white supremacist and a bigot. You must go. You must be replaced.

Many many a totalitarian ideology goes under the banner, "Join or Die". This is no different. And the left has done this before, many times. Pol Pot, The French Revolution, Mao, Lenin. The push to erase history and start over as a means of revolution is not new by any means. And if you think they have some limit, look to these past revolutions to see that they just don't. The ideology is self-reinforcing towards runaway radicalism. The only thing that stops it is pushback prior to their take over or burnout after it takes over and fails. It has no internal limits.
So while I agree with the Rabbi and have zero interest in defending Nazis or the Confederacy, I know that this has almost nothing to do with those things to the left. Those just create convenient foils. The left is filled with strawmen - they paint all of us as Nazi, bigoted, white male oppressors. Finding the occasional real life one is great for the left and they will use it to pretend all their other strawmen are likewise real. Understand that Marxism does not study policy and governance the way that conservatives and libertarians do. They study propaganda, power and revolutions. They are masters of it. Which is why repeated failure at governance never deters the next revolution.
Leftism. The One True Religion. Join or Die. That's their goal."
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