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« Reply #750 on: June 11, 2014, 07:19:30 AM »

The only reason I post this if because of this line:

" That was David Brat’s (that’s the guy who won) whole campaign: Cantor was a liberal who supported a path to citizenship for the swarthy illegals. (He didn’t say that, of course, at least the swarthy part.) Immigration reform is D-E-A-D. There is no chance the House will touch it. That means it’s dead for this Congress, which means that next Congress, the Senate would have to take the lead in passing it again."

Again the GOP allows the left media to control the way immigration is presented.  This is not about just Latinos coming in from south of the border although they of course are the great bulk of illegals.  Sure they are easier to spot.  But their are plenty from Europe, Middle East, Africa, Caribbean, Asia who are not here legally as well.   No matter where you come from we expect you to respect our laws.   That includes residence laws too.  The GOP has to make this clear.  Of course like nitwits they don't and of course the Dems can more easily turn this into a racial issue.  Which it is not.  Whether for or against amnesty for 15 million people and later many of their relatives and the millions more who will come again it is an economic issue.  It is about the money as always.


******By Michael Tomasky 10 hours ago The Daily Beast

Eric Cantor Loss Is an Earthquake

Here’s the thing: Eric Cantor did not fall asleep in this race. He spent around $5 million. He ran lots of TV ads. He knew this was going to be a close one. He campaigned. And he still got creamed.

And here’s the other thing: Cantor was not an enemy of the Tea Party. He was in fact the Tea Party’s guy in the leadership for much of the Barack Obama era. He carried the tea into the speaker’s office. And still he got creamed.

Creamed! Has a party leader ever lost a primary like this? Stop and take this in. Like any political journalist, I’m a little bit of a historian of this sort of thing, although I readily admit my knowledge isn’t encyclopedic. But I sure can’t think of anything. Tom Foley, the Democratic House speaker in the early 1990s, lost reelection while he was speaker, but that was in the general, to a Republican, which is a whole different ballgame. And he was the first sitting speaker to lose an election since…get this…1862! But a primary? The No. 2 man in the House, losing a primary?

So what happened here? Obviously, first, it’s about immigration. That was David Brat’s (that’s the guy who won) whole campaign: Cantor was a liberal who supported a path to citizenship for the swarthy illegals. (He didn’t say that, of course, at least the swarthy part.) Immigration reform is D-E-A-D. There is no chance the House will touch it. That means it’s dead for this Congress, which means that next Congress, the Senate would have to take the lead in passing it again. (The Senate’s passage of the current bill expires when this Congress ends.) And the Senate isn’t going to touch it in the next Congress, even if the Democrats hold on to the majority. Those handful of Republicans who backed reform last year will be terrified to do so. And it’s difficult to say when immigration reform might have another shot. Maybe the first two years of President Clinton’s second term. Maybe.

Second, the reports of the Tea Party’s death are…well, you know. Cantor’s loss is a huge disruption of the narrative that the Republican establishment had taken control this year. And throw in the coming Chris McDaniel-Thad Cochran runoff in the Mississippi Senate race, which many now expect Tea Partier McDaniel to win, and you have a narrative in which the Tea Party can say, “We’re still calling the shots.” Cantor also has spent the past couple of years talking about education, which, any Tea Party person knows, is code for black, city, unions. Other Republicans in the House won’t miss that message, and they won’t try to carve out any “interesting” legislative profiles for themselves.

Third, what does it mean for the country? Hard to say yet, but bad, surely. The House GOP wasn’t exactly ready to start cutting deals with Obama even with Cantor in the leadership. Now that he’s been beaten by a right-winger…no one, not a single Republican in the House will take a chance on anything. The legislative process, already shut down, will only be more so.

And Brat himself, fourth, is a star overnight. I’d hate to be his booker or scheduler. His Wednesday is going to be a roller-coaster ride from Rush Limbaugh to Fox to Laura Ingraham to who knows what. He is a hero to these people. Remember how Scott Brown attained wattage in 2009 by beating Democrat Martha Coakley in Massachusetts? Brown was a major star then. Brat is going to make Brown look like a nameless session guitar player.

I’m sure there’s ramification five, six, seven, and eight that I’m not even thinking of right now. We’ll see. But this is an earthquake. One of the most shocking electoral nights in American history. Did I really say that? I did. It’s true. And it’s bad.

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« Reply #751 on: June 12, 2014, 09:35:19 AM »

In the aftermath of Cantor:

“What’s the difference between Elvis and immigration reform in Congress?  Immigration reform is definitely dead.”

If reform / amnesty is dead in Congress, and if Republicans take the Senate, what will the Commander in CHief with a pen and a phone do?  Grant a Presidential pardon to every illegal alien living in this country.

If he does, does that mean citizenship?

Steven Hayward at Powerline:
Therefore, a modest suggestion: every GOP candidate—especially for the Senate—should force Democratic candidates on the record before the campaign on the question of how they would respond if President Obama uses his pardon power to grant amnesty to every illegal alien currently in the country.  Get them on record now, ahead of the election. 
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/06/after-cantor.php
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« Reply #752 on: June 12, 2014, 09:45:22 AM »

"Immigration reform is definitely dead".  Maybe maybe not.

In any case Obama is  encouraging the hoards of future Democrat voters to pour into the country.  And how convenient.  The Dems will point the finger at the GOP saying "they blocked reform.  It is their fault."

Obama clearly is fully intent on doing as much as he can to do his progressive bidding.

When we even hear left leaning Jeff Tobin admit there is a constitutional crises then we know at least a few more people are waking up to what we on this board have said even before this guy was elected in '08.

The damage is severe and will be really bad by the time he leaves power.   We will have 15 million new legal residents and they will bring in more hoards.

Even if the GOP takes the Senate they will not have 60.   Obama cannot be stopped.  The Framers certainly did not intend this.  Except maybe in wartime as "Commander in Chief".  But now every excuse possible to use that keeps this guy going.
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« Reply #753 on: June 12, 2014, 10:03:21 AM »

"Sixty-eight percent of Americans favor allowing immigrants living in the country illegally who were brought to the United States as children to gain legal resident status if they join the military or go to college."

Allowing people who come here illegally serve in the military for citizenship?  Talk about immoral.

Go to college?  We will pay for all that.  cry
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« Reply #754 on: June 12, 2014, 10:39:33 AM »

"Sixty-eight percent of Americans favor allowing immigrants living in the country illegally who were brought to the United States as children to gain legal resident status if they join the military or go to college."

Allowing people who come here illegally serve in the military for citizenship?  Talk about immoral.

Go to college?  We will pay for all that.  cry

Agree, agree.  And what would we need them for in the military.  We already ended all wars.

51% of republicans and 63% (?) overall favor some path to citizenship.  A very carefully drafted and enforced agreement could settle this and unlike Obamacare get both sides on board.  But Dems negotiate in bad faith - and keep upping the ante by allowing another new influx.

Hillary Clinton: Cantor Opponent 'Ran Against Immigrants'
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-cantor-opponent-ran-against-immigrants-n128556
(No he didn't.  He ran as a 10th amendment constitutional conservative: Powers not granted to the federal government belong to the States and the people.)

How did the new influx of illegals get past the 2006 fence?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006
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« Reply #755 on: June 18, 2014, 07:21:11 AM »

The future of the Republican party or a party of smaller government will be bleak.

Who do you think is watching soccer?   It ain't me.   I am not a huge sports fan but I still hate watching soccer and would rather watch football, basketball, or baseball, or UFC.   Probably even bowling or billiards.   It appears that except for some Eastern Europeans who know what it is like to live under statism the majority of the rest wherever they are from have no problem with centralized government control.   

http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-match-in-world-cup-sets-a-tv-record-1403034850
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« Reply #756 on: June 18, 2014, 08:45:17 AM »

The current border crisis proves that the 2006 fence law was not followed.  This ongoing tragedy is caused by the President and Congress announcing they would like to make all illegal minors into US citizens, and it is enabled by the fact our borders are still porous.

The decline previously in illegal immigration was caused by the lack of opportunity here compared with faster growth rates south of the border.  A no-growth, high unemployment economy is not an acceptable substitute for border security. 
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« Reply #757 on: June 28, 2014, 06:33:17 PM »



http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/illegal-aliens-nyc-will-get-municipal-ids-free-legal-representation
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« Reply #758 on: June 28, 2014, 07:50:20 PM »

The current border crisis has sunk the President's and his party's scheme on immigration flooding.  Here is a rare case of someone mainstream saying aloud what should be obvious:
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-06-27/immigration-reform-is-dead-obama-is-in-trouble

Minors are being dumped in this country as a consequence of the current policies and the announced intentions of this administration.  The crisis proves the border is not secure, which was a precondition for almost all of the amnesty negotiations that have now stalled.  Secure the border first.

It is a little like hearing the argument that al Qaida and terror groups are on the run while they over-run us in Benghazi and a host of other countries.  In this case, those in congress who argued the border is secure - enough, did so in bad faith.  Those in the Executive Branch who say it failed to carry out the law.

The perpetual immigration deal offered to conservatives is much like Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown and setting it up again and pulling it away again, over and over and over.  Each time she says she won't pull it away this time.  In this story, we are Charlie Brown and we didn't want to kick the ball in the first place, just trying to be good sports - while playing with lying weasels.

I favored pursuing a "comprehensive agreement".  But that is not possible when key people do not negotiate in good faith.  

The current crisis proves what everyone already knew.  Our borders are not secure.

We already passed a recent law requiring the securing of the border.  It was called the "Secure Fence Act of 2006".  It passed the Senate by 80-19.  That included a lot of Republicans.  Like healthcare, it left discretion with the secretary of the department, homeland security in this case, to say the border is secure or not with or without a fence.  Leaving discretion does not mean cabinet secretaries can lie to the American people or lie under oath in front of the congressional oversight committees.

Why should the next law be passed before the last law is implemented?  Right now Republicans, especially in the House, are accused of doing nothing but that is not true.  Republicans and responsible people everywhere are patiently waiting for the Executive Branch to do it's job.

Now that we know the 2006 law is being ignored, why not take appropriate actions.  Assuming the President is too big to impeach, why not impeach each cabinet official who refuses to upholding and implement the law.  Like Nixon's staff, one by one they can resign, tell the truth, or face impeachment in the House and a trial in the Senate.
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« Reply #759 on: July 07, 2014, 07:34:12 PM »

Michael Ramirez illustrates what the mainstream media will not put into words:



http://news.investors.com/photopopup.aspx?id=707625
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« Reply #760 on: July 09, 2014, 01:19:35 PM »

Since the administration is hiding information, working this behind the scenes, blocking congress and won't tell the truth about this crisis involving minors dumped inside our borders by the tens of thousands, we might as well assume the worst while we look for the evidence to prove it.  They know these kids are coming and are linking them up with relatives here, illegals also.  We may as well assume they are arranging this surge with the same level of thinking that brought us Fast and Furious.

They are uniting undocumented children with undocumented families with the "promise" that the illegals escort them faithfully to their deportation hearing.  Who respects our deportation laws more than illegal aliens?

The circumstances indicate that the administration is a co-conspirator if not the designer of the operation, as they were with Fast and Furious.

This could be the scandal of all scandals, the one that actually offends Democrats and The Media (sorry for the redundancy), not just conservatives and Republicans.
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« Reply #761 on: July 09, 2014, 05:56:06 PM »

You've got to create the crisis so you can not let it go to waste.
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« Reply #762 on: July 09, 2014, 07:11:01 PM »

President Obama's Border Absurdity
Originally published at CNN.com

President Barack Obama is in Texas today.
Texas is the center of the current crisis at the border. From Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras, thousands upon thousands of children are pouring into the United States.
 
This flood of foreign children is not a problem of border security. They are not sneaking across the border illegally. Under the Feinstein Amendment of 2008, unaccompanied minors from these countries can present themselves at a legal border crossing, claim to be political refugees and seek asylum.

The argument on the left is that these three countries have violent gangs and therefore we have a moral obligation to take in their children. One Democratic senator told me that the real key was to end violence in those three countries.

Given last weekend's 82 shot and 16 killed in Chicago, I wanted to ask that senator how he thought his policies would be more successful in Central America than they have been in our third-largest city.

It is in this context of the liberal fantasy -- that we owe the world everything, we can do nothing to protect ourselves and everyone else is innocent while we Americans somehow have an extra burden to take care of their problems -- that you have to view the President's current actions.

The President's trip highlights vividly the failure of Obama-ism.

It is clear he wants our money.

He is doing two big Democratic fundraisers in Texas this week to get political money.

He has just sent up a request to Congress for an additional $3.7 billion to address the immigration crisis on the southern border -- the majority of which would go toward caring for the unaccompanied minors crossing the border. Still, this request is larger than the entire U.S. Border Patrol budget in 2013.

Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, on CNN's "Crossfire" Tuesday night, demolished the President's proposal.

"That's $60,000 per child that we're going to spend, in emergency money," he pointed out. (Parents and students trying to get through college should contemplate that number.) "That shows just how incompetent we [are] -- we can't do that for three or four thousand per child?...If we can't do that, the Border Patrol is as bad as the VA."

"For $8 million," he pointed out later in the show, "we can put them all on a first-class seat back to their homes."

Actually, he exaggerated a little bit. A business class flight from San Antonio to Guatemala City is about $450. Lowest economy ticket is $318. For the 60,000 young people entering the United States this year under the Feinstein Amendment, flying home commercially would be in the range of $18 to $26 million plus the cost of staffing etc. So the Coburn plan might cost (once staff, etc. is included) in the $40 million to $80 million range.

That means, of course, that the Coburn plan would save at least $3.62 billion over the Obama plan.

Why is the Obama plan so expensive? Simple. Left-wing Democrats wake up every morning knowing the answer is bigger government and more money. They just don't know what the question is.

The border crisis is a new opportunity for Obama to create even bigger government, spending even more of our children's money. In a rational world it would be an absurdity, but this is the world of Obama and Sen. Harry Reid, and nothing involving more spending and bigger government is absurd to them.   Coburn also noted that the current scale of the border crisis would disappear if Congress would simply repeal the Feinstein Amendment.

Chairman Bob Goodlatte of the House Judiciary Committee also noted that there are a number of executive actions the President could take which would end the open borders for foreign children policy. The Obama administration policy of "Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals" was an executive decision to begin with (and one of questionable legality). The President certainly has the authority to enforce immigration law.

The Obama policy instead assumes the border will remain open and he wants to use taxpayer money to fund the lengthy process of getting children from Central America involved in the American legal system. It is a great excuse to have the government hire even more lawyers.

House Republicans should immediately repeal the Feinstein Amendment and call on the President to do everything within his power to stop this rush on our borders. Let's see how long Democratic senators up for reelection can allow Reid to bottle up a solution to the flood of foreign children coming into our country.

Three cheers for Senator Coburn and a loud "no" to President Obama is the right response to this mess.

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« Reply #763 on: July 10, 2014, 07:42:35 AM »

http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/44047.html
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« Reply #764 on: July 10, 2014, 09:05:28 AM »

http://online.wsj.com/articles/republicans-seek-to-pair-immigration-funding-with-changes-to-2008-law-1404937051?mod=WSJ_hp_RightTopStories
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« Reply #765 on: July 10, 2014, 09:07:49 AM »


Like laws have any impact on what Obama does...
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« Reply #766 on: July 15, 2014, 12:28:42 PM »

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/14/EXCLUSIVE-Sessions-Warns-All-Of-Congress-Obama-s-New-Immigration-Strategy-Threatens-Foundation-Of-Our-Constitutional-Republic?utm_source=e_breitbart_com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+July+15%2C+2014&utm_campaign=20140715_m121344458_Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+July+15%2C+2014&utm_term=More
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« Reply #767 on: July 15, 2014, 02:24:09 PM »


Fundamental transformation.
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« Reply #768 on: July 15, 2014, 06:02:46 PM »

Well of course he does.  It's been obvious since almost day one.   What does anyone think the conspiracy to allow as many to get here is all about.  Bring in as many hordes as possible and then pardon the whole bunch.   

Oh he just incompetent, he is really a good man, he is just taken by surprise, fools still proclaim............

He is not bored.  He is just sitting back and letting events unfold and waiting for the best political moment where he can with his actions (pardon), and not words, say F*Y* to half of America. 
Just like he did with his birth certificate. 
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« Reply #769 on: July 15, 2014, 10:21:50 PM »

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2014/07/15/
http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2014/07/16/
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« Reply #770 on: July 16, 2014, 05:02:34 AM »

second post

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/16/us/Jose-Antonio-Vargas-immigrant-advocate-arrested.html?emc=edit_th_20140716&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=49641193&_r=0
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« Reply #771 on: July 16, 2014, 05:48:21 PM »

http://nj1015.com/tags/illegal-immigrants/
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« Reply #772 on: July 17, 2014, 11:26:46 AM »

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/16/Ted-Cruz-No-Legislation-On-Border-Crisis-Unless-It-Ends-Obama-s-Lawless-Immigration-Executive-Orders?utm_source=e_breitbart_com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+July+17%2C+2014&utm_campaign=20140717_m121376408_Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+July+17%2C+2014&utm_term=More
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« Reply #773 on: July 17, 2014, 12:08:11 PM »

https://www.billwhittle.com/firewall/where-do-you-live-mark-zuckerberg
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« Reply #774 on: July 19, 2014, 09:48:00 AM »

I don't believe most illegals are coming here just because of the reason they are escaping drug gangs but....

What a racket for the drug cartels!   Obviously all these people are not storming through Mexico without the help of drug cartels.  

Think of it.  They terrorize people in their countries then turn around and offer them asylum in the US, take 5 grand or God knows how much, then ship them up and dump them in the US while raping them along the way, enlisting some into their gangs, selling some of them, making some foot soldiers, maybe some work as drug mules and think of the money they make.  

What is $5,000 times just 100,000?   It comes to 500,000,000!!!!

And the Democrat party is complicit in this for the cynical reason of more Democrat votes.  

How *f" disgusting this all is.

We are funding drug cartels.   I mean we are already doing most of it already with all the *F* drug dealers and users in the US.
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« Reply #775 on: July 20, 2014, 09:09:53 AM »



http://www.nationalreview.com/article/382679/illiberal-immigration-reform-victor-davis-hanson
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« Reply #776 on: July 20, 2014, 10:28:46 AM »

second post

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/18/two-third-illegal-immigrant-children-okd-asylum/
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« Reply #777 on: July 20, 2014, 11:43:23 AM »

I don't believe most illegals are coming here just because of the reason they are escaping drug gangs but....

What a racket for the drug cartels!   Obviously all these people are not storming through Mexico without the help of drug cartels.  

Think of it.  They terrorize people in their countries then turn around and offer them asylum in the US, take 5 grand or God knows how much, then ship them up and dump them in the US while raping them along the way, enlisting some into their gangs, selling some of them, making some foot soldiers, maybe some work as drug mules and think of the money they make.  

What is $5,000 times just 100,000?   It comes to 500,000,000!!!!

And the Democrat party is complicit in this for the cynical reason of more Democrat votes.  

How *f" disgusting this all is.

We are funding drug cartels.   I mean we are already doing most of it already with all the *F* drug dealers and users in the US.

You're mistaken about that. When someone enters Mexico illegally and we're out on patrol, they have a dread fear of talking to anyone.

The cartels might be making some money off of them at the northern border (and they are), but the robberies, rapes, kidnappings, selling of body organs, and murders of people who don't even exist on paper, make a target for the cartels that's just too good to pass up.

I've been out on patrol and had them run in fear of what I or others would do, and we wanted nothing other than to talk to them.

The cartel knows who they are because they stand at intersections washing windows, and are easily picked out due to their appearance and accents, and are then forced to work as assassins for them, almost always meeting a gruesome end.

No... the cartel is not helping them so they can make $3,000 - $5,000, hopefully getting them across the border, so they can then store them 50 to a room, until they can wait for their family members to pay up.

You said "they"· (the cartels) terrorize them in their own country, shipping them up, and that simply isn't what happens. The people that I have seen going north with an intention to cross the border, are from here, some had jobs, and they just decided they wanted to make more.

Other's had no jobs and decided they wanted to eat.

Others from central America? I can't say. They lie so much when we talk to them that it's difficult to figure out what happened, and with the common knowledge of them being raped or being forced to serve in something that will get them killed, it isn't the cartels alluring them with a promise to ferry them across for 5000 dollars that they don't have.

Take a look across the bridge that enters Tijuana... all that dirt you see in the wash, all the crosses posted on the fence on the road to the airport...each one either broke or dead... no... the cartels aren't making their money there. They make it off of drugs and weapons and politicians on both sides of the fence.

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« Reply #778 on: July 20, 2014, 05:24:14 PM »

Thank you for your clarification from the front lines.   So who is helping these people over the border?
Non cartel opportunists?
Or are most just hitching rides across the journey from Central America and Mexico?
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« Reply #779 on: July 20, 2014, 07:36:24 PM »

Thank you for your clarification from the front lines.   So who is helping these people over the border?
Non cartel opportunists?
Or are most just hitching rides across the journey from Central America and Mexico?

You bet. They come across the border in the south on foot. I've been there and it's very easy to cross if you can get to it. The border on the Guatemalan side is crawling with Kabiles (very bad ass Guat. spec forces), due to the drugs from Columbia and weapons from here. On our side, we have Marines, Army and Feds everywhere, but as for the border and the jungle, crossing it isn't that hard. Traversing the length of Mexico on the other hand, is very difficult.

They get on board a train where several members of Mara Salva Trucha routinely rob, beat, and rape them, but some Mexican people give the sojourners water and food. They are literally dead broke, and have almost nothing.

I'm not illegal alien friendly at all, viewing it as leaving one's country in search of wealth and basically ditching your own people for an easier life.

I will say though, they are truly broke, and where they get 3 to 5 grand other than family members living on the other side is beyond me.

Even working here in Mexico as a member of a Mexican general's personal guard, I make exactly 11,600 pesos a month plus travel bonuses of up to 7000 pesos depending on what states we are working in, and I'm pretty well paid considering the norm of what Mexicans make, so someone coming here illegally, washing windows (and I've hit them up because many of them do work for the cartels, tracking our movements and drugs) make about 100 pesos a day.

Every single interrogation we've conducted, unless they were hitmen, the lookouts and drug dealers at street level make 5000 pesos every 15 days, which still is peanuts.

The cartel at the border runs everything because they'll flat out kill any competition, but the amount of people that actually have that type of cash when they get there, almost nonexistent... the cartels, gangs, or even authorities, have relieved them of any money they might have had.

If you have ever seen a Guatemalan or Salvadorenean woman in the States, pay close attention to them. You will find them to be very cold and silent in comparison to Mexican women that have gone to the states. It's because every single one of them from Guatemala or El Salvador has been raped while crossing Mexico, and I mean every single one of them...sometimes the men too.

Illegals aren't welcome here in Mexico, even less than the United States, and Mexico is racist as hell, much more so than the Black and White bickering in the States, but it isn't politically correct to report that there.

No non cartel opportunists.
Every one crossing Mexico going to the north is dead broke.
The hypocrisy between governments and Mexicans and others in the state in terms of national policy and racism is staggering.
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« Reply #780 on: July 21, 2014, 06:17:29 PM »

According to the Washington Post, “Nearly a year before President Obama declared a humanitarian crisis on the border, a team of experts arrived at the Fort Brown patrol station in Brownsville, Tex., and discovered a makeshift transportation depot for a deluge of foreign children. Thirty Border Patrol agents were assigned in August 2013 to drive the children to off-site showers, wash their clothes and make them sandwiches. As soon as those children were placed in temporary shelters, more arrived. An average of 66 were apprehended each day on the border and more than 24,000 cycled through Texas patrol stations in 2013.”

“In a 41-page report to the Department of Homeland Security, the team from the University of Texas at El Paso (UTEP) raised alarms about the federal government’s capacity to manage a situation that was expected to grow worse. The researchers’ observations were among the warning signs conveyed to the Obama administration over the past two years as a surge of Central American minors has crossed into south Texas illegally.”

That means the administration was informed about the coming invasion as early as 2012 – of course at that time, there was an election to win.

So could it be that Barack Hussein Obama was deliberately and willfully negligent in the discharge of his duties to protect the American people and the sovereignty of our Constitutional Republic? Did Obama violate Article 4, Section 4 of the US Constitution; “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion?”


There's more disturbing evidence that this immigrant invasion was planned and anticipated by the Obama administration as early as 2012 http://allenbwest.com/2014/07/evidence-immigrant-invasion-planned-expected/
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« Reply #781 on: July 21, 2014, 10:02:14 PM »

DDF writes,
"Mexico is racist as hell, much more so than the Black and White bickering in the States, but it isn't politically correct to report that there."

What are the racial groups in Mexico?  You mean light skin Mexicans vs darker Indians?

What is the reason so many are coming across now?   This cannot be without complicit help from US amnesty groups and I don't believe for one second Bama didn't see this coming and is not encouraging on different levels.

Your take?
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« Reply #782 on: July 24, 2014, 10:13:07 AM »

Deportations Give Migrants (Marc: a.k.a. "illegal aliens")  Cold Feet
Fewer Minors Are Apprehended at Border; Obama to Meet With Central American Leaders
By Laurence Iliff and Laura Meckler
July 23, 2014 7:55 p.m. ET

U.S. agents take undocumented immigrants (MARC: a.k.a. "illegal aliens")  into custody on Tuesday near Falfurrias, Texas. Since October, a wave of unaccompanied minors has surged across the Rio Grande. Getty Images

ARRIAGA, Mexico—Esther Vasquez arrived in this dusty town in southern Mexico on a recent day to jump a freight train with her young son in hopes of eventually making it into the U.S. She said she hadn't been deterred by dangers, even after she and her 10-year-old son Oscar were briefly kidnapped by a Central American gang.

But now, Ms. Vazquez isn't sure the journey is worthwhile, thanks to the rapid spread of news that the U.S. is speedily deporting undocumented Central American families. A rise in deportations in the past two weeks anchor a broader international effort to stem the flood of child migrants across the Rio Grande that has spawned a humanitarian crisis and a U.S. political brawl over immigration.

"People are now telling me that things have changed," Ms. Vasquez said, leaving her uncertain whether to press ahead or return home to La Ceiba on Honduras's Atlantic coast.

Her cold feet come as the number of unaccompanied minors apprehended at the Rio Grande Valley, the most popular crossing point, has dropped sharply in recent weeks, U.S. officials say. In mid-June, an average of about 300 children were apprehended daily. Last week, fewer than 100 migrant minors were detained a day, the Department of Homeland Security said. Administration officials said it wasn't clear whether the trend would continue, and that factors such as weather could be at play.

President Barack Obama is meeting with the presidents of El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala on Friday to discuss ways to stem the crisis, including the thorny question of how to repatriate tens of thousands of youngsters to their violence-torn countries without putting them in harm's way back home.

Meanwhile, House Republicans on Wednesday recommended changing a 2008 anti-human-trafficking law that limits deportations of minors, while saying they would back some of the $3.7 billion in emergency funding requested by the White House to deal with the child migrants. But Senate Democrats are opposed to changing the law. The standoff shows no sign of abating, putting the spending request in jeopardy.

For months, the administration has struggled to get on top of the crisis, which has seen more than 57,000 unaccompanied minors flooding in the U.S. since last October, possibly lured by a 2008 law that gives certain migrant children more legal rights than adults.

Children are typically reunited with relatives already in the U.S. while they await a ruling on their status, which can take years.

Smugglers, including drug gangs that run migrant routes through Central America and Mexico, have drummed up business by highlighting that leniency, according to migrants, aid groups and some Central American officials. Many suspect that has contributed to the surge in crossings.

Now, the U.S. government is busy sending the opposite message, including an ad campaign in Central America that warns would-be migrants of the dangers of their journey toward the American dream.

"We want to make sure that they understand and communicate to their citizenry that parents in their country should not entrust their children in the hands of criminals to make the dangerous journey to the border" with the U.S., White House press secretary Josh Earnest said this week. "The reason for that is quite simple…even if those children survive that long, dangerous journey, they will not be welcomed into this country with open arms."

Despite the very recent drop in the flow of migrants, there are still daunting issues to be tackled. The expedited deportations that began last week so far have been limited to children who arrived with adults. Congress would have to change the 2008 law, or significantly increase court resources, to speed deportations of Central American unaccompanied minors.

The White House and congressional Democrats and Republicans say they are reluctant to send children back to unsafe conditions at home, and they want assurances from the Central American countries that they will improve their repatriation processes.

"If we're going to return them, we want to be sure it's done humanely, that we're not just dropping them off at the border," said Rep. Kay Granger (R., Texas), who heads a GOP working group on the crisis. On a recent congressional visit to the region, she said she was impressed by a repatriation center in Honduras, but worried that it wasn't big enough to handle the expected volume of children.

Last month, the Obama administration funneled $9.6 million to the region to improve repatriation in all three countries, including expanding centers and providing the returned migrants with expanded services, and the White House has requested additional funding from Congress.

Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernández told Time magazine this week that he has been warned by U.S. officials to expect a big wave of deportations. "They have said they want to send them on a massive scale," Mr. Hernández is quoted as saying.

For its part, Honduras is expanding the capacity of its reception centers in San Pedro Sula, where most Hondurans are now being repatriated, and developing programs to monitor the minors once they return to their hometowns. The government also is planning to send money to local mayors to monitor the progress and well-being of returned children, and boost their long-term prospects.

The leaders of all three countries agreed last week to develop a regional strategy to ensure the returned minors' safety and to find educational and jobs strategies to keep them at home. But that is a far cry from tackling the difficult conditions the children will return to, including violence and scant economic opportunity.

"The returnees will face the same vulnerability as we all do," said Isis Miranda, who directs a Roman Catholic Church-linked community center and high school in Chamelecon, a San Pedro Sula suburb that is one of Honduras's most dangerous communities.

For now, a crackdown north of the U.S.-Mexico border seems to have bought officials some time. Word about stepped-up U.S. deportations has spread like wildfire along the migrant routes. Jose Rogelio Umaña, 27, who arrived in Arriaga from El Salvador late last week, said human smugglers had persuaded desperate parents to send their children away from gang violence and poverty on the premise that the Americans would give them special treatment.

Now, the risk of putting their children in harm's way from the journey only to have them sent back is just too much for many parents. "When they deported those children, the number leaving fell sharply," he said.

But Carlos Bartolo Solis, who runs the Catholic shelter for migrants in Arriaga, said he thought any decline in children leaving Central America would be temporary. "Until the conditions change in their countries, they will continue to leave. The alternative is to stay and be killed or recruited by a gang." On Tuesday, he said, the freight train known as "The Beast" headed north with around 400 migrants hanging on to boxcars, including young children and adolescents.

A Central American migrant with a young wife and an infant, who said he was too scared to give his name, said they planned to hop "The Beast," even though gang members had already tried to steal his child. "Am I scared? Very scared."

—Dudley Althaus and Dassaev Aguilar contributed to this article.

Write to Laurence Iliff at laurence.iliff@wsj.com and Laura Meckler at laura.meckler@wsj.com
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« Reply #783 on: July 25, 2014, 06:06:39 PM »

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/07/25/why-honduras-could-be-first-under-u-s-refugee-plan/
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« Reply #784 on: July 26, 2014, 09:16:12 AM »

DDF writes,
"Mexico is racist as hell, much more so than the Black and White bickering in the States, but it isn't politically correct to report that there."

What are the racial groups in Mexico?  You mean light skin Mexicans vs darker Indians?

What is the reason so many are coming across now?   This cannot be without complicit help from US amnesty groups and I don't believe for one second Bama didn't see this coming and is not encouraging on different levels.

Your take?


There are several groups and skin color is a common way of describing people. They even have product brands here such as "Negrito" (think Hostess bakery type deal), that uses a Black kid with an afro as their product moniker.

In fact, race is so commonly used here to describe people, I really have no idea where any Latino from here in Mexico, gets off saying anything about racism Whites or others.

A short and by no means exhaustive list would be (and each in common usage that I hear almost daily here (anyone disagreeing, please stop me and correct me where I'm wrong);

1. Gringo - A White person from an English-speaking country. (they say it just means that you come from the States and that you speak a different language 'hence the griego/gringo root,' but it's definitely derogatory...not a doubt at all, and to those that would argue it, ask them if they like being referred to as a spic/Hispanic...they don't... trust me on that). Gringo isn't cool either.
2. Spanish peninsula area + Spanish peninsula = Criollo
3. Criollo and Criollo = Criollo
4. Spanish and Indian (Native) = Mestizo
5. Spanish and Black = Mulato
6. Black and Indian = Zambo
7. Mestizo and Indian = Cholo
8. Mestizo and Spanish = Castizo
9. Mulato and Spanish = Morisco
10. Spanish and Morisca = Albino
11. Black and Zamba = Zambo Prieto


I could go on all day with things that are racist in nature, but I'd rather not. Here's a pretty good take on it if one cares to read it: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racismo_en_M%C3%A9xico

As to why people come across? Survival, a better life, running from the law here, and they know that they will be helped once they get there. In fact, to that last point, they even tell them here in the human rights organizations, what help they will recieve if they can just make it to the US side of the border. It was mentioned earlier that the cartels are behind this. If anything, it's the governments on both sides that are behind it.
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« Reply #785 on: July 27, 2014, 02:26:13 PM »

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/whoops-congressman-accidentally-reveals-democrats-really-want-amnesty/
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« Reply #786 on: July 27, 2014, 09:36:43 PM »


Said here many times.
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« Reply #787 on: July 28, 2014, 02:17:07 PM »

https://www.numbersusa.com/news/not-my-backyard-feds-efforts-relocate-illegal-aliens-border
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