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« Reply #200 on: October 05, 2008, 01:48:36 PM »

Arlvoski has the skills to give Fedor a run for his money. I'd like to see him fight Josh Barnett first. If he gets through that he could be in line for Fedor.
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« Reply #201 on: October 05, 2008, 02:08:15 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah4OTXB5e9A&feature=related

Dude look at Cyborg she's walking out to the ring with her kids. Yeah. She's like a small version of Vanderlei Silva.

She could be the one to beat Carano.
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« Reply #202 on: October 05, 2008, 02:33:45 PM »

I was very impressed by AA when he was winning in the UFC, then it looked like he lost his confidence to the point where I heard he was a bodyguard taking off his shirt on the Jerry Springer show-- WTF?

Anyway, it sure looks like he is back.  shocked Who was that he was fighting there?

Story:  Back when AA was on top of the UFC, he was my son's favorite (my son was about 7 at the time).  As AA entered the octagon and began warming up my son warmed up with him, punching and kicking this way and that.  Then he turned to me and said, "You know Dad, I think he could beat even you."

Love you son  cheesy
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« Reply #203 on: October 05, 2008, 02:54:24 PM »

Arlovski fought "Big Country," product of John Lewis BJJ/ Nova Uniao. he was on top with the I.F.L., even has his own clothing line; 108 Martial Arts. Big Country looked heavy and sloppy
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« Reply #204 on: October 05, 2008, 03:07:52 PM »

Guess Kimbo was made credible. Ran into a buzz saw. A real fighter with a real record. UFC caliber.

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Seth-Petruzelli-2738

Here's Petruzelli's fight record. Shoot it even has Dan "The Beast" Severn in there!!!!! Son of a.
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« Reply #205 on: October 05, 2008, 03:14:16 PM »

Check it out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UFV0IvTAr0

Bas Rutten on the Springer Show. Showing his skills on prime time. About 6 years ago I was reading a magazine, in it Bas Rutten was asked where he thinks he'll be in 6 years and he answered " IN THE MOVIES."  Well...
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« Reply #206 on: October 05, 2008, 04:40:50 PM »

IMHO AA almost lost last night.  His BJJ is non-existant.  Barnett and Fedor would run through AA.  Also, how about freaking Nelson and Arlovski getting stood back up when Nelson was in side control with a submission!  WTF!!!

On the topic of Kimbo, I'm pretty sure that fight was supposed to be fixed.  A fairly important person for this event was trying to get the ref to jump in and call Seth for hitting Kimbo in the back of the head:



He says "he's hitting him in the back of the head" then points to the back of his head. . . . interesting?!

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« Reply #207 on: October 05, 2008, 05:59:56 PM »

The clip I saw DID look like there was a hammer fist to the back of the head/neck.  The first right hand had about as much on it as Ali's KO punch of Sonny Liston in their second fight  wink rolleyes  Did any of the follow up punches land solidly?

No doubt this fight was not pleasing to the monied interests , , , evil
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« Reply #208 on: October 05, 2008, 08:46:35 PM »

As I recall the punch that sent kimbo to the mat was not very hard... but it hit solidly and square on the jaw. He did not actually go stiff until he took another solid shot while on the ground. If I saw (and remember) correctly the knockout happened after he went down.

Liddel went down from a little clip on the jaw from Rampage didn't he? As I recall it didn't look like that hit very hard either... Maybe accuracy is enough sometimes?
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« Reply #209 on: October 05, 2008, 09:07:14 PM »

I think Arlovski has the skills to win. If anything his chin is always a question. Given things are outside the UFC, if he fights and beats Barnett, he should get a shot a Fedor.
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« Reply #210 on: October 05, 2008, 09:13:09 PM »

ryangruhn nice video, props to the Hulkster.  Kimbo was out of his league, it just took a decent fighter to show it. He has Hugo Durate syndrom. They always dominate their opponents, but then the run into a buzz saw and they break, mentally. Watch the fight with Hugo Duarte and Tank Abbott. How far was Hugo going to crawl?
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« Reply #211 on: October 05, 2008, 10:07:10 PM »

The Jackson KO of Liddell came on a hook that created brain stem torsion.  Here, to my eye, it didn't look like much AND should have been seen coming in-- thus lessening the effect.
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« Reply #212 on: October 05, 2008, 10:25:36 PM »

  Here, to my eye, it didn't look like much AND should have been seen coming in


Kimbo is sort of just a brawler though. Run in swinging and overwhelm the opponent... and there is certainly something to be said for that. It is nothing to laugh about when you can pull it off. I didn't look like much... maybe he ran into it or something? Who knows. I have caught some shots that hobbled me through the mask which certainly surprised the hell out of me!

He is sort of just a thug and I am glad he lost. Maybe this will humble him and he will come back better for it?
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« Reply #213 on: October 06, 2008, 10:24:39 AM »

i think Jonobos has it dead on. . .  even though Kimbo has added a good MMA coach in Bas to his repetoire doesn't mean he can run through a cage with his chin exposed daring someone to hit it. cause in this case, someone did and now it's all history. MMA is what it is. we've all seen it a million times. the best train for years and they're on top for a long time. they beat the best and lose to unknowns with a good jab to the chin. Kimbo can't deny it, Liddell can't deny it, Tito . . . etc...

it can all be related to the Gatherings. it's humbling to know AND recognize that there is always someone better than you.
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« Reply #214 on: October 06, 2008, 10:52:32 AM »

As the old saying goes, on any given day, anyone can have their ass handed to them.

Or something like that Wink
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« Reply #215 on: October 14, 2008, 03:54:37 PM »

EliteXC imo is turning into a joke... kimbo was their main attraction to draw in the mainstream... ken shamrock vs kimbo was to be a big draw... for whatever reason ken was training hard prior to his match... got a cut above eye which reopened.... frank shamrock comments publically how ken is a disgrace to the shamrock legacy.... read today that they have been apparently planning on fighting each other for at least a year... they have agreed materially on a contract, some terms to be worked out

this is so WWF/WWE!!! elitexc should declare bankruptcy. only draw they have is Gina Carano imo. i like both shamrocks, but their glory may be behind them.
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« Reply #216 on: October 14, 2008, 06:38:41 PM »

I'm wondering if Kimbo took a dive?
Yes I believe he got hurt legitimately but not until he was pounced on. If the odds were 10-1 like I heard they were, that's a lot of money to be made by himself and others.
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« Reply #217 on: October 15, 2008, 12:31:03 PM »

I'm wondering if Kimbo took a dive?

I never though he was really on top of anything to dive off of.
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« Reply #218 on: October 16, 2008, 08:07:13 AM »

Oy.

There were oddslike that on a last minute (literally!) fill in fight like that one was?

With regard to the Sharmrocks:  I never thought that much of Ken-- I'm hard pressed to think of a single impressive fight.  Frank OTOH has a number of really good fights to his credit.  I thought he fought well in his recent loss to Cung Le.  Given the size differential and converse fighting rep differential and the well known dislike between the adopted brthers, I suppose they could market an audience for a fight, , ,
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« Reply #219 on: October 16, 2008, 02:51:06 PM »

Interview w Anderson Silva

http://www.sherdog.com/videos/recent/Silva-My-Time-is-Already-Over-1795
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« Reply #220 on: October 16, 2008, 09:52:06 PM »

Here is my new Wrestling Coach, John 'The Hitman' Hathaway at Cage Rage 28 last weekend. I say the futures bright for this 21 year old. He broke his opponents eye socket.

http://www.myvideofight.com/video/other-rings/cage-rage-28-john-hathaway-vs.-jack-mason/index-2.html

He has just been Signed up for the UFC 93 in Dublin January 17th..... cool
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« Reply #221 on: October 23, 2008, 01:44:35 PM »

Big weekend for UFC.  I'll be excited to see Anderson put on another display.  Sean Sherk is also fighting Tyson Griffin which I am looking forward to!  We are having Sean in State College in December so we are all hyped about seeing him fight!
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« Reply #222 on: October 23, 2008, 07:08:48 PM »

What's the tip sheet on Tysono Griffin?
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« Reply #223 on: October 23, 2008, 10:39:22 PM »

Griffin has a pretty impressive record with wins over Urijah Faber, Duane Ludwig, Clayton Guida and a number of others.  His only loss is to Frank Edgar which went all three rounds and in my book, went down as one of the best and most technical fights at 155.  He's no slouch but I'm fairly confident that Sherk is going to do very well against him.
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« Reply #224 on: October 24, 2008, 03:54:52 PM »

Thank you.

A lot of Sherk's rep was built during his  , , , hormonal phase.  How has he been since then?
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« Reply #225 on: October 25, 2008, 10:30:48 AM »

He lost to BJ but I don't think that was because of the lack of vitamins.  IMHO superior reach and take down defense is what won that fight for BJ.
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« Reply #226 on: October 25, 2008, 01:28:17 PM »

No shame in losing to BJ.  Is that his only post hormonal fight?  The insecurity that leads a fighter to take steroids to begin with can often prey upon his mind after he is off the steroids , , ,
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« Reply #227 on: October 25, 2008, 01:53:43 PM »

This will be his second fight without the additional help.  To change gears it was great to see Sled Dog in "Countdown to UFC" on Spike talking about Cote.  I am always in BTT Canada's corner but I REALLY like Silva for this fight.
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« Reply #228 on: October 25, 2008, 03:56:59 PM »

Apols for posting this if it is already up somewhere. Thought it was interesting.
Lyoto Machida takedown GIFs
http://www.spladdle.com/?p=124
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« Reply #229 on: October 25, 2008, 06:19:08 PM »

MAIJA - thats pretty interesting! i seen Lyoto do that before but not extensively like he uses it. seems pretty second nature to him. hmmm, something new to start practicing...
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« Reply #230 on: October 25, 2008, 07:35:34 PM »

Yeah, he always seems to get his leg in the right place for the trip or sweep .....
Seems like taking out the legs is a great thing to be able to pull off, especially if you are smaller, against someone bigger and heavier.
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« Reply #231 on: October 26, 2008, 10:17:49 AM »

Impressive fight from Sherk last night!  It received fight of the night and rightly so.  Bummer about Anderson & Cote.  I hate seeing people get injured and unable to continue.  On a more positive note I think I saw just about every variation in Silva's footwork last night, how cool!  His footwork is so impressive and I'm glad that we are finally seeing fighters that can switch leads at will in a technical way.  I also give props to Cote for being able to keep up with Anderson and have the eye to see what Silva was doing with his footwork.  Mark D. had some great cornering advice as well.  Amongst many other things he mentioned that when Anderson stops moving he is timing Cote and I believe this to be true.
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« Reply #232 on: November 05, 2008, 09:05:27 PM »

Anyone catch the Uriah Faber vs Mike Brown fight?
I wasn't sure who would win but I didn't expect .... so sudden.
But hey.. that's MMA.
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« Reply #233 on: November 08, 2008, 11:35:43 AM »

that . . . was . . . TOTALLY AWESOME!!! i've never seen a clothesline uppercut-hook. decleated Faber. but it's what has been mentioned before. there's always somebody better than you out there. not to take away from Faber but athleticism and tenacity will only get you so far. too much of that seems desperate.
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« Reply #234 on: November 17, 2008, 02:51:25 PM »

i cannot believe this:

Brock Lesnar, UFC Heavyweight Champion




at least lesnar has some skills unlike Kimbo
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« Reply #235 on: November 19, 2008, 08:21:16 PM »

With apologies to Tom Hanks's character in "League of their own" cheesy

More seriously now, what is with all the kissing I see with the fighters at the end of a fight?  I could swear there was even a kiss on the lips this past UFC!  tongue

WTF?!? tongue tongue tongue


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« Reply #236 on: November 23, 2008, 11:52:39 AM »

There is a fine line between fighting and fornacating Guro.  cheesy  Add in the emotions of winning a big fight and watch out!
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« Reply #237 on: November 23, 2008, 06:37:52 PM »

Speak for yourself tongue cheesy
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« Reply #238 on: November 28, 2008, 08:59:06 AM »

LOL!

Switching gears, one of our fighters, Paul Bradley continued his streak of being undefeated by beating Dante Rivera last weekend in a title match for Ring of Combat:



Paul was on the Ultimate Fighter, a wrestling stand out (All American) and is now starting to showcase his skills on his feet.

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« Reply #239 on: December 28, 2008, 10:29:45 AM »

Did everyone see Frank Mir's fight last night!?  shocked  I've heard him comment numerous times about outside footwork and man did he demonstrate it last night!


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« Reply #240 on: December 28, 2008, 11:06:20 AM »

 Mir's striking was awesome! . . . i didn't see any nipple twisting from Rashad and Jackson camp
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« Reply #241 on: January 19, 2009, 12:47:03 PM »

Here's a weird story on Monson.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008630232_martialarts15m.html

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« Reply #242 on: January 24, 2009, 02:44:28 PM »

Fedor vs Arlvoski  cool    Im down with anything, Fedor!
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« Reply #243 on: January 24, 2009, 02:58:08 PM »

Fedor vs Arlvoski  cool    Im down with anything, Fedor!


With all this talk of AA working on his boxing with Freddie, I wonder how much he's been working his takedown defense which is what he should be the most worried about.  I can Fedor taking him down and dominating on the ground.  I can see AA right now on his back, Fedor in side control.
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« Reply #244 on: January 24, 2009, 06:23:07 PM »

Very much looking forward to tonight's fights.  A shout out for Vlady Matyushenko in particular--  Vlady was always very helpful to me when I was at RAW.  I certainly presented zero questions for him, but he was always a complete gentleman when we rolled.  Very, very, technical and frighteningly strong.  I remember one time trying a two-handed wrist lock on him and he didn't even notice that I was trying  shocked shocked cheesy  Watching Vlady and Rico Chiaparelli roll was always quite special too.    His decisive loss to Arlovski several years ago knocked him off stride for a while, but I hear he has been fighting very well recently.  I wish him a great night.

A small Arlovski story:  Several years ago when AA was first rampaging through the UFC he was my son's favorite fighter.  I'm guessing Conrad was about 6 at the time.   AA was in the cage warming up before a fight and Conrad was shadow boxing along with him.  He turned to me and said "You know Dad, I think Arlovski could beat even you."

"You might be right son , , ,"  cheesy cheesy cheesy
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« Reply #245 on: February 01, 2009, 12:41:55 AM »

I am really disappointed in BJ Penns performance. He was totally outclassed tonight.
In all seriousness I don't think Penn brought in enough world class resources to help him. While GSP had an entire country backing him and wanting to be on his team.
Really disappointed. Especially after he was calling GSP a quitter along with all the other trash talk.

Lyoto Machida impressed me. Though I do not like his upright posture when standing. He made the shiver/elbow work really well  He stayed in the ground situations long enough to take advantage of them and if they weren't going his way escaped. His coming from a traditional martial arts impresses me even more. The ability to integrate tma into the cage. I am looking forward to some young bull integrating filipino martial arts into the cage succesfully.
"Crafty Dog" or Lester "Surf Dog" Griffin may find some talent.

Jones looked very impressive with an unorthodox style that confused the seasoned UFC show star Bonnar. Then impressed me with the numerous takedowns at will...his hedging of the last round by running was a disappointment though. He seems to be a very promising new star especially if he has a solid chin. The single leg hold to spinning elbow was highly impressive and missed the back of Bonnars head by inches. Nice technique that should be considered.

Karo looked old and his skill set looked 2003-4 ish. Fighters are improving at more than their "A" game, so one should work there B and C games bringing them up to a higher level.

I would love to hear any one else's opinions.
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« Reply #246 on: February 01, 2009, 02:23:22 AM »

I feel the same way.

Honestly I think BJ took some good shots, maybe never been hit that hard before and was demoralized by the 3rd round.
4th round started out a little better.  GSP had the perfect plan to negate BJ strengths.

Love the Machida fight, lateral movement in and out with the knees.

The spinning elbow was cool, I was wondering if it could work if someone grabbed your weapon.

Sorry.. not as technical as others. Looking forward to hearing others as well.

Missed some of the earlier fights got to Mike's late.
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« Reply #247 on: February 01, 2009, 06:28:58 AM »

Hmmmmm ..... people reaching for straws or a legitamate concern:

B.J. Penn's Camp Files Formal Complaint Over Vaseline on St. Pierre's Back Between Rounds | www.cagepotato.com

" "I saw the commission jump up there and flipping out," said Dana White. They said one of the guys was rubbing Vaseline on Georges' back in between rounds. It was one and two, I think."

"The guys from the athletic commission went up there and started screaming at them. Knocked the Vaseline and kicked the Vaseline out of the Octagon."

White added that "some Vaseline on a guy's back didn't change the outcome of that fight, but you don't do it," and said the blame should fall on the cornerman responsible and not GSP.

"If a guy was intentionally putting Vaseline on a guy's back, he should never corner a mixed martial arts fight again."

As for what becomes of the complaint now, White said it's out of his hands.

"Who knows. That's up to the commission." "



Intentional?
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« Reply #248 on: February 01, 2009, 11:01:35 AM »

Hmmmmm ..... people reaching for straws or a legitamate concern:

B.J. Penn's Camp Files Formal Complaint Over Vaseline on St. Pierre's Back Between Rounds

That was actually my first thought when BJ couldn't pull off his high guard as it did appear he couldn't grip. I was like that guys got to have vaseline on his "lats".
Kind of like guys putting a bit of lotion on the wrist before grappling. I can see a legitimate complaint there, but it will never change the fights outcome. It may evolve into stricter rules and contracts.
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« Reply #249 on: February 02, 2009, 08:46:42 PM »

Did GSP's corner cheat to give him an edge?
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After a dominating victory over B.J. Penn at UFC 94, Georges St. Pierre is clearly the better fighter. GSP left no doubt. And yet now there is, thanks to one of his cornermen, Phil Nurse. It's pretty clear by watching the video that Nurse had some Vaseline on his hands when he rubbed St. Pierre's shoulders, back and chest between the first and second rounds.

Why is that a big deal in mixed martial arts? It's significant because of all the grappling and maneuvering that takes place on the ground. St. Pierre was on top of Penn in the second round and the Hawaiian tried several times to shift his legs up to work for a triangle choke or an armbar. Grip and some friction is huge in these cases and a slippery fighter would make it more difficult to lock on one of those holds. Above you can see, Nurse apply Vaseline to GSP's face, then get more Vaseline, then rub his shoulders, arms and back.

Penn's trainer Rudy Valentino told InsideFighting that St. Pierre cheated and the Vaseline thwarted his fighter's strategy:

"To cheat to win is not honorable. Why need another edge? Our gameplan was on the ground, not striking because we knew Georges had good kicks. We planned to work off the back."

Valentino says they warned the Nevada State Athletic Commission before the fight alleging that St. Pierre did it before their meeting in 2006 and that Matt Serra's camp claimed the same thing happened in Serra's second fight against GSP.

Greg Jackson, GSP's trainer hurt his reputation according to Valentino:

"I respect Greg Jackson but to do something like that, his integrity has been compromised."

Jackson told his side of the story to MMAWeekly:

"In between rounds, you always want to put on vaseline on (a fighter’s face). So Phil Nurse put all the Vaseline on his face, so his hands might have had a miniscule amount left over from that, when he went around the side and rubbed a little point on his back, and tapped on his chest."

Watching the scenarios (1, 2, 3), show Nurse did more than tap the chest and rub a little point on GSP's back.

Jackson chalked all of this up to an overreaction by the NSAC:

"At that point, somebody in the audience thought we were greasing George down, and ran over and told the commission that we were greasing his body down. The commission came in and said ‘you can’t grease him down,’ which didn’t work. They said ‘you’re putting Vaseline on his back,’ and Phil’s like, ‘oh, there might be a little on my fingers, but it wasn’t intentional at all, and of course they wiped it right off and it was gone, so it wasn’t a factor in the fight at all."

"The Commission" was actually NSAC executive director Keith Kizer. He bolted into the cage when he saw Nurse doing the same thing between the second and third rounds. Cage Writer spoke with Kizer after the fight and he was still steaming, saying that the rubbing of the back with Vaseline was completely inappropriate. But he was unsure if it had been done between the first and second.

UFC president Dana White also thought it was a serious violation:

"I saw the commission jump up there and flip out," said White.  "They said one of the guys was rubbing Vaseline on Georges' back in between rounds. It was one and two, I think. I personally didn't see it, the commission did. And that's about as illegal as you can get... I'm sure the commission is going to deal (with it)."

White didn't believe that it affected the outcome of the fight but he re-stated that illegal is illegal: 

"You could have put Vaseline on from head to toe, that wasn't the point, the point was you don't do it. It's illegal. The guy who did it needs to be punished, it's not (St. Pierre's) fault. The question is what happens to a guy that does that. You've got to put the smack down on him. He should lose his license."

Ultimately, did the use of the Vaseline win the fight for St. Pierre? No. But Penn's camp does have a right to complain. 

St. Pierre should be getting props for being the better conditioned fighter, designing and executing the perfect gameplan. The way he wore down Penn in the first round by holding his left leg up on three occasions with the threat of a single-leg takedown, was brilliant. It allowed him takedown a tired Penn with ease in each of the next three rounds. More importantly, GSP was able to pass guard and shift between full guard and side control as if he were fighting a first-year jiu-jitsu student. Now Penn, other fighters who dislike St. Pierre and fans may call for an asterisk on his dominant victory.
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