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shane
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« on: September 08, 2005, 05:20:02 PM »

Marc, what does one need to focus on in your opinion when it comes to
surviving the ground fight on the streets? Right now I focus primarily on
GNP defense and getting to my feet. I ask this mainly because I am limited
in my time allocation to training due to other priorities and I want my training
streamlined for self defense purposes. My current drill time is split approx-
iamatley 70%clinch(including entries to the clinch), 15% standup, 15%
ground, with weopons mixed into those ranges 50-70% of the time. Is this
good? Any suggestions?
 
   Thanks, Shane  Cheesy
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« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2005, 07:03:05 PM »

Shane,
   If I may take a stab at this, I personally believe that MMA training while it does have a lot of relevant places in Self Defense also lacks a lot.  Clench, Ground Work and striking are great but won?t stand up to the brutal reality of what we need when faced with a situation where we need to defend ourselves.  Take your GNP (ground and pound) defense for instance.  Are you working in the essentials?  Including but not limited to genital manipulation, biting, scratching, pinching, eye gouging, or are you simply working it from a MMA stand point of working to get guard and then up to your feet?  Yes this is a very hard area to ?practice? but it can be drilled simply by putting it into your head when you?re drilling (and I can do this hear, bite here, etc).  One will give up their mount position of GNP quite quickly to get their opponents hands of their balls.  Let us not forget about the femoral artery that is at biting reach also.  The same thing goes for other positions with the SD essentials.  This however is only in reference to EH situations; working in weapons is a whole other story.  I guess in short, think of what your goals are and adapt your training to meet them.  Think about the area you live in, what situations you could encounter, and what your goal would be if met with someone you would need to defend yourself against.  

Gruhn
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shane
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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2005, 08:28:56 PM »

Hi ryan and thanks for your reply Cheesy  I do agree with you on the limitations
of pure MMA training for the street. We do throw in the dirty stuff when
training the ground. I remember when I first started to adding groin shots how often I got nailed when in my guard shocked , it changes the "game"
a whole lot when the biting,groin, and weopons are thrown into the mix.
When I did MMA,Sub-Grappling,and BJJ I didn't give foul tactics or for that
matter a street fighter much respect, Oh what a big mistake that could have
been. Since injuries forced me out of those sports and got my focus on
SD I am starting to see and experience alot of my limitations of my former
training. Once again I appreciate your advice and look foward to anything
else you or anyone else would like to add.

 Thanks, Shane
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shane
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2005, 09:45:32 PM »

Would anyone else like to add thier opinion  Cheesy ?

 Thanks, Shane
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Sweeper
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2006, 12:42:21 AM »

Hello Shane,

As a BJJ/MMA practitioner who has had altercations with "street thugs" I can say that what you train is perfectly fine.  Most people who are rowdy and looking for trouble are just bullies with no or little formal training.  Your conditioning, technique, and knowledge will crush most people on the street - and most street fights end up on the ground.

Example: a crazy road raged bully jumped out of his car and started cursing and beating on my car - he was a big boy (bout 245 and I'm 180).  Instead of running him over I jumped out of car, we exchanged blows and he threw my on the hood of my car in perfect position for me to apply an arm bar - as this was the steet and not a ring - his arm broke and he cried on the side of the road.  I went home with a little bit a sore back.

Hopefully with your stand-up training a street altercation won't even make it to the ground cheesy

Just my opinion and my experience.

Just for the record - I don't condone using what one knows unless one is forced to do so.
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xtremekali
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2006, 04:55:03 PM »

Woof,

I have to admit I am not a big fan of going to the ground in a street fight. Only because I don't want his buddies caving in my ribs or using my head as a soccer ball.

Using your scenerio instead of slamming you on the hood of your car he instead slams you to the ground. Your head bounces off the road While you are out with a concussion he decides to cave in your ribs.

Just my 2 cents.

Myke
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Sheep Dog
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2006, 12:48:44 AM »

Not to self advertise but you may want to ready the following articles I wrote.

http://www.realfighting.com/issue8/scottframe.html

If you are planning on biting the Femoral Artery, plan to be there for a while.

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Sweeper
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2006, 05:42:22 PM »

Myke,

We can make all kinds of scenarios - instead of being a man and exchanging blows I could have kneed him in the balls.  

He didn't slam me onto my hood as it has no dents, he threw me - which was really more of a push and my hood undercutting my legs (just to clarify).  With his arm extended it became a broken one.  He didn't have the ground knowledge to know that an arm abr was coming.

Shane was asking about the ground.  I wasn't my choice to go to the ground per-say, it just happend that way.  

Bernard
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xtremekali
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2006, 10:10:31 PM »

Sweeper,

Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers or question anyones "manhood". Just another point of view.

Myke
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2006, 01:27:51 PM »

Quote from: Sweeper
Myke,

We can make all kinds of scenarios - instead of being a man and exchanging blows I could have kneed him in the balls.  

He didn't slam me onto my hood as it has no dents, he threw me - which was really more of a push and my hood undercutting my legs (just to clarify).  With his arm extended it became a broken one.  He didn't have the ground knowledge to know that an arm abr was coming.

Shane was asking about the ground.  I wasn't my choice to go to the ground per-say, it just happend that way.  

Bernard
How does "exchanging blows" = "being a man"?  So kneeing someone in the balls makes me less of a man?  Why did you choose to engage him?  To teach him a lesson...or something else?  Not questioning your "manhood" so much as your mindset.
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Sweeper
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2006, 06:44:36 PM »

My initial comments are directed to answer Shane's question from my own point of view.   Basically, that most martial artists are good guys and not the street thug bullies, if you encounter one - they will more than likely have very little or no ground experience.

Xtremekali - no ruffles here bro, I was just clarifying and was only throwing out another scenario of what could have happend.

Anyhow - I'm not going to talk about or justify anyone's manhood, including my own - so if anyone has kneed someone in the balls, I apologize.

Well - I just said I wasn't going to talk about it, but anyone who is a stickfighter has Alpha Manhood in my book Tongue - not that I have a "manhood book" LOL  Okay - enuff with the manhood - sorry I brought it up...
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