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Kaju Dog
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« on: June 22, 2006, 04:57:07 PM »

With Respect,

Why not go until submission or until the other guy quits.  A partner could throw in the towel or have a safe word to say when he/she has had enough.  Just a question.

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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2006, 12:15:34 AM »

Woof Dean:

What you suggest is a perfectly valid way to go.

Our reasons for doing it as we do are:

1)  We seek to come closer to the time pressures of street situations i.e. with limited time one has to explode faster and harder to finalize.  In our opinion, to have no time limit tends to shift things towards time consuming tactics and strategy and a premium on conditioning.

2) To go until someone loses, shifts the meaning of the experience towards young male hierarchical competition and away from our tribal values of preparing each other to stand together to defend our land, women and children.  

Please allow me to flesh this out.  In our experience, there are many moments in a fight when lasting damage can be imposed.  If for example a fighter with superior stick skills is in a position to badly drop someone with superior grappling skills as the latter attempts to close, rules such as you propose would, in our opinion, provoke ego driven temptations to be sure to "win" the fight now and avoid being "defeated" later.  Most of us have had more than one moment where we could have permanently dimished someone else's IQ or lastingly damaged his body.  My concern for the approach you suggest is that you make it hard to operate within the code of "No judges, no referees, no trophies, be friends at the end of the day".  

3)  Our approach also allows each fighter to experience several fights against various opponents and weapons.  This allows for more experimentation and more growth.

Off the top of my head, these are the points which occur to me.

The Adventure continues,
Crafty Dog
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2006, 09:33:05 PM »

Crafty,
nice, i think that should be made a sticky if it has not been.
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2006, 09:38:03 PM »

Quote from: Crafty_Dog
Woof Dean:

What you suggest is a perfectly valid way to go.

Our reasons for doing it as we do are:

1)  We seek to come closer to the time pressures of street situations i.e. with limited time one has to explode faster and harder to finalize.  In our opinion, to have no time limit tends to shift things towards time consuming tactics and strategy and a premium on conditioning.

2) To go until someone loses, shifts the meaning of the experience towards young male hierarchical competition and away from our tribal values of preparing each other to stand together to defend our land, women and children.  

Please allow me to flesh this out.  In our experience, there are many moments in a fight when lasting damage can be imposed.  If for example a fighter with superior stick skills is in a position to badly drop someone with superior grappling skills as the latter attempts to close, rules such as you propose would, in our opinion, provoke ego driven temptations to be sure to "win" the fight now and avoid being "defeated" later.  Most of us have had more than one moment where we could have permanently dimished someone else's IQ or lastingly damaged his body.  My concern for the approach you suggest is that you make it hard to operate within the code of "No judges, no referees, no trophies, be friends at the end of the day".  

3)  Our approach also allows each fighter to experience several fights against various opponents and weapons.  This allows for more experimentation and more growth.

Off the top of my head, these are the points which occur to me.

The Adventure continues,
Crafty Dog


Makes sense to me - Thank you for the enlightenment.  I will work that angle in tomorows class.

"The process of knowing the situation goes on not only before but also after the formation of a military plan...  One who does not know how to change is plan, or is unwilling to change it but acts blindly, will inevitably run his head against a brick wall."    - Mao Tse-Tung

Peace & Respects,
Dean Cool
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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2006, 02:28:20 AM »

Any reason why doing both at different times might not be a good idea?
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