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« Reply #250 on: May 21, 2015, 09:21:53 AM »

Should We Be Excluding GOP Candidates From Debates This Early?
Fox News and CNN are drawing a line in the sand -- er, on the debate stage. If you want to be part of the big show in the first Republican presidential debates, you have to be in the top ten in polling. Otherwise, you’re consigned to other appearances on the network, or as Byron York called it, “the kiddie table.”
“The CNN Republican primary debate on September 16 will be divided into two parts featuring two different sets of candidates: those who rank in the top 10 according to public polling, and the remaining candidates who mean a minimum threshold of one percent in public polling, the On Media blog has learned.”
For college basketball fans, think of the second CNN debate as the NIT Tournament. If everyone agrees you won the second debate, you get to chant, “We’re number eleven! We’re number eleven!”
Ace makes the case that at this point, no serious candidate should be left out:
People don’t know enough to make informed judgments yet. That is the point of a debate -- and that’s the point of a first debate, surely.
We are in the very beginnings of this process, and FoxNews is using polls of uninformed people (and I don’t mean that negatively; most of us are uniformed at this point) to decide who is allowed to run for President.
And yes, this poll -- based on nothing but name recognition -- will in fact knock five or six people out of the contest entirely. Once you’re excluded from a debate, you are labeled “fringe” forever -- and good luck trying to get free media, volunteers, and donors once you’ve been labeled fringe.
. . . This isn’t a normal year. We have a lot of serious candidates. So do we stick with the usual, or do we adjust our practices to take into consideration the unusualness of this season?
I think the latter. My proposal is that they split debate night into two panels, over two nights. (Or two panels on one night-- but that would be a long night, with around three hours total debate time plus time in between.)
The top six in the polls would do a random draw to be split between the panels, three and three. Everyone else would do another random draw to determine which panel they’d be in.
You’d end up having about 6-8 people per panel, which is a workable number.
Note that the Fox “solution” solves little -- having ten people on the stage, answering the same questions, will be a huge [bad word for mess]! It’s barely an improvement over having fifteen -- do the math. Assuming about an hour, all told, answering questions (once the questions themselves, commercials, and basic traffic direction are excluded), ten people would have about six minute each to answer questions.
Fifteen people would have four minutes each.
So we’re fighting to get “four minutes of actual answers per candidate” up to six minutes?
A lot of us have the cynical suspicion that some of the candidates know they have no shot at the nomination, and are running to achieve some lesser goal: the vice-presidential slot, a cabinet post, a television gig, bigger speaking fees and book deals after the election. Last cycle’s experience demonstrated that even the longest of long-shots can end up being the flavor-of-the-month.
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« Reply #251 on: May 21, 2015, 05:47:17 PM »

“The CNN Republican primary debate on September 16 will be divided into two parts featuring two different sets of candidates: those who rank in the top 10 according to public polling, and the remaining candidates who mean a minimum threshold of one percent in public polling"

The first thing wrong with the information above is that CNN is allowed to host.  They should be in at least a 4 year penalty box for their behavior last time.

The Republican party leaders face a good but difficult situation.  As it sits now, there are candidates excluded that I would like to see included.  But if one person like Reince Priebus made that determination, the story would be about him instead of about the candidates.  If you set up stadium seating for 19 or so, the event becomes unmanageable and unwatchable for most viewers.  Early polling data is a lousy criteria, though probably better than all the alternatives.  We are talking about 9 debates over an extended period?  If so, the big news coming into debates 2, 3, 4, etc. is that candidate so-and-so is the new face to watch.  It is a game of momentum, among other things, so missing the first few debates is not necessarily a knockout punch unless a campaign is not organized and managed to survive that.

If not CNN, another network, even if it is pj media (or dbma), can host competing forums to showcase the best of the excluded candidates and ask the same questions - or better ones.  Candidates can cut their own answers out and run ads or post their own videos to promote on the internet.

Bobby Jindal is a two term Governor of a crucial state.  He handled the Katrina aftermath, the gulf oil spill, has immigrant heritage, was a Rhodes Scholar, etc., is young with good ideas; he deserves a look.  People love Ben Carson, fresh face, amazing personal story, big thinker, really accomplished guy; he deserves a look.  I believe he is black, too, which would be good for the party's reach out efforts.  Carly Fiorina has unique qualifications and is showing a unique ability to challenge the front runner of the other side.  She may have an advantage trying to connect with a certain side of the electorate.

Still, reaching the top ten of the Republicans before the 9th debate is very do-able for anyone that is capable of winning the nomination and the general election.  It is not that hard for the top 19 to get a look on conservative media coverage.  Candidates at or near the top will stumble, and this is a very long process.

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« Reply #252 on: June 07, 2015, 11:31:04 AM »

The man would seem to have no chance whatsoever, but maybe this idea will resonate with some of the others , , ,

https://www.dropbox.com/s/no8zlkltuct0l5x/Gnat%20Warfare%202-HD%201080p.mov?dl=0
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« Reply #253 on: June 11, 2015, 11:10:28 PM »

I think you've got the wrong link here.  Very interesting anyway.
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« Reply #254 on: June 11, 2015, 11:48:40 PM »

You are right, that is NOT the link I thought I was posting. cheesy cheesy cheesy
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« Reply #255 on: June 17, 2015, 03:13:36 PM »

Hopefully we will not need a trump thread.

It is a mistake to take people like Perot and Trump lightly.  Trump has appeal, and he and Perot both had a superb skill of pointing out what is wrong - with both parties in some cases.

As I understand it, Trump can talk big like a candidate but needs to file very complete financials now within 15 days.  Hopefully that hurdle keeps him from taking up a chair.

So what's wrong with Trump?

Kevin Williamson rips him persuasively here with many facts.  http://www.nationalreview.com/article/419853/witless-ape-rides-escalator-kevin-d-williamson

One tidbit I take from it is 4 bankruptcies.  You may want to run the government more like a business but it isn't a business and you don't run it like a Trump business.  The federal government doesn't need to take risks; it needs to provide a solid foundation for private sector risk taking. 
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« Reply #256 on: June 17, 2015, 04:39:20 PM »

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/17/the-man-with-a-plan-donald-trumps-5-part-strategy-to-make-america-great-again/

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/419853/witless-ape-rides-escalator-kevin-d-williamson
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« Reply #257 on: June 22, 2015, 01:06:21 AM »

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/22/us/campaign-donations-linked-to-white-supremacist.html?emc=edit_na_20150622&nlid=49641193&ref=cta&_r=0
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« Reply #258 on: June 29, 2015, 02:12:25 PM »

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/06/28/how-small-gains-with-black-voters-could-boost-gop-in-2016/
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« Reply #259 on: June 29, 2015, 09:12:14 PM »

Americans get the government they deserve.

Sometimes, since having moved here to Mexico, learning everything in brutality that I have (it's impossible not to), I am certain that we here are already four steps ahead of where America will be before Obama (got to love multiculturalism) leaves office.

You will soon be straddled with Hilary, or yet another Bush crown, and so many still think either the Left or the Right, is the answer they need. Libertarianism is the way to go (peacefully)... barring that, I prefer things the way they are here.

My two cents, but I'm crazy, what do I know?
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« Reply #260 on: June 30, 2015, 08:36:34 AM »

DDF posts, "Sometimes, since having moved here to Mexico, learning everything in brutality that I have (it's impossible not to), I am certain that we here are already four steps ahead of where America will be before Obama (got to love multiculturalism) leaves office."

Interesting.   Would be willing to elaborate?

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« Reply #261 on: June 30, 2015, 08:53:27 PM »

Interesting.   Would be willing to elaborate?

Not really. You're watching it all unfold. It's what happens in any country where the people look to the government to grant them their rights (or take them away if people think "safety" actually can exist). It's amusing to watch.

Also amusing, is watching what happens in any country where more than one cultural identity (not to be confused with skin tone), is housed under one flag. I wonder how multiculturalism is going in North Korea, for example. Insert the Bram Stoker's "Dracula" laugh here....because I think it's funny as hell. People will do anything to remain politically correct, even if it means losing their rear end... can't be racist by saying something controversial...heavens no.
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« Reply #262 on: July 01, 2015, 09:30:02 AM »

"People will do anything to remain politically correct, even if it means losing their rear end... "

The internet has really been a boom for the Left.   With immediate excoriating, shaming, marginalizing, and ridiculing of anyone who opposes their world view.  .
It seems to work.  Who wants their face going around the world being shamed

Couldn't have come at a worse time for America.

The Right cannot compete.  Just can't.

Even Fox is in retreat.    I didn't hear much comment at all about the recent SCOTUS decisions.  Almost like they ignored them.

Must be hoping for JEB.  Appease appease appease while the LEFT keeps moving forward with their shoulders in driving us back with zero thoughts of retreat.

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« Reply #263 on: July 01, 2015, 11:06:21 AM »

"People will do anything to remain politically correct, even if it means losing their rear end... "

The internet has really been a boom for the Left.   With immediate excoriating, shaming, marginalizing, and ridiculing of anyone who opposes their world view.  .
It seems to work.  Who wants their face going around the world being shamed

Couldn't have come at a worse time for America.

The Right cannot compete.  Just can't.

Even Fox is in retreat.    I didn't hear much comment at all about the recent SCOTUS decisions.  Almost like they ignored them.

Must be hoping for JEB.  Appease appease appease while the LEFT keeps moving forward with their shoulders in driving us back with zero thoughts of retreat.

Yes the internet helps them but helps us more in the sense that they have a monopoly on almost everything else.

The so-called news on conservative radio, separate from the shows, comes with all the bias of the regular networks - and it drives me nuts.  They need a Mark Levin type to hit pause after every idiocy and set them straight or at least present the other side with it.  Sometimes Fox News could use that too.

Chris Christy says we need more compromise.  Speaking of Mark Levin, I heard his reaction to Christy:  Compromise isn't a principle.  Compromise isn't a vision.  Compromise on what?  With whom?  Compromise is what we do now; it's what got us where we are.

The contradiction between how far left the left has gone / how left we have become, and the fact the Republicans have taken back the House, the Senate and the state houses is astounding.  Yet liberalism is still the driving and governing force.  Conservatism of a sort is starting to win again elsewhere around the globe as well.  As GM said, we are fcuked.  Either that or the table has almost never been set so perfectly for a real leader to emerge and persuasively make the case for a resurgence of freedom and prosperity. 

We are looking for something like a Reagan - without the Anthony Kennedy appointment!  If I were Marco Rubio or any of the others I would offer to put Ted Cruz on the Supreme Court. 
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« Reply #264 on: July 01, 2015, 12:01:21 PM »

"Chris Christy says we need more compromise.  Speaking of Mark Levin, I heard his reaction to Christy:  Compromise isn't a principle.  Compromise isn't a vision.  Compromise on what?  With whom?  Compromise is what we do now; it's what got us where we are."

Exactly.  Christie totally misses the point.   So does Jeb.   AS we've noted for some time there simply is NO compromise from the left.  Every time we reach something called a compromise the very next day the libs are pushing for more.   There is no end.  Remember the end game is vanquish the world of religion, and country.  One world government with the central planners controlling everything.  THAT is their dream.  THEIR end game.  They will not cease till this is achieved - ever.

So I don't know what the pretend conservatives are talking about with compromise.

Someone who called into Levin's show last night  quoted Gen Patton as saying the way to win is to get the other side to compromise not for us to do it.

Most of the present Republicans are interested in these above points.  They just seem to want power and money.

Except for a few like Jeff Sessions and other real conservatives.


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« Reply #265 on: July 01, 2015, 07:05:38 PM »

I don't hope for a Right candidate, and certainly not a Left. Libertarian would be the way to go.... failing that, I'd hope for a right leaning Pol Pot type person.

Some would call that evil... I call it survival. Give them the choice to leave first.

People can take that how they want. In the end, it's a fact, whether people want to admit it or not.
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« Reply #266 on: July 03, 2015, 12:10:43 AM »

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/1/joe-biden-likely-to-join-2016-white-house-race-nex/
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« Reply #267 on: July 04, 2015, 02:07:11 PM »

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/07/03/mitt-romney-hosting-two-rival-gop-presidential-contenders-for-holiday-sleepover/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Firewire&utm_campaign=Firewire%20-%20HORIZON%207-4-15%20FINAL
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« Reply #268 on: July 06, 2015, 10:52:43 PM »

http://www.dickmorris.com/will-biden-be-obamas-candidate-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports
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