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« Reply #150 on: September 28, 2016, 12:26:52 PM »

Of course .  One of the few times I agree with Obama and now Republicans (and few crats) make a stand and over ride a veto.  This WILL come back to hurt us.   

http://www.breitbart.com/news/senators-vote-to-override-obamas-veto-of-sept-11-bill/

But the internet control  give away - watch they will do nothing.


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« Reply #151 on: September 28, 2016, 02:14:29 PM »

Of course .  One of the few times I agree with Obama and now Republicans (and few crats) make a stand and over ride a veto.  This WILL come back to hurt us.   

http://www.breitbart.com/news/senators-vote-to-override-obamas-veto-of-sept-11-bill/

But the internet control  give away - watch they will do nothing.




I second that. I do not like opening a door to where other countries can sue us.
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« Reply #152 on: September 28, 2016, 05:59:14 PM »

http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/09/28/pat-caddell-calls-out-stupidity-republicans-internet-takeover-debate-another-sign-america-selling-out/

Oh but Repubs are so strong. (with overwhelming sarcasm) They won the right for New York City attorneys to make a fortune suing Arabia!

Wow what a victory.   This is great for American.

Thank God they stand up for us  tongue
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« Reply #153 on: October 16, 2016, 08:10:48 PM »

So what will one of their first priorities be?

To help the Left pass reform for one of their favorite issues:

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/10/why-conservatives-will-need-a-new-party-if-when-hillary-wins

We do need a new party.  But who can do it?  How did the Republicans replace the Whigs? 
How can we replace people in power?   Look how both the right and left establishment with the media on their side buried the Tea Party.

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« Reply #154 on: October 16, 2016, 08:26:54 PM »

So what will one of their first priorities be?

To help the Left pass reform for one of their favorite issues:

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/10/why-conservatives-will-need-a-new-party-if-when-hillary-wins

We do need a new party.  But who can do it?  How did the Republicans replace the Whigs? 
How can we replace people in power?   Look how both the right and left establishment with the media on their side buried the Tea Party.



The anger that made Trump isn't going away.
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« Reply #155 on: October 25, 2016, 10:42:38 AM »

I place in this thread because of my anger at the sanctimonious Republicans.

For example:

"Finally, for years, readers of conservative magazines have read daily fare about voter fraud. "

And the Republican "establishment" response:

"Yet when Trump — however crudely, conspiratorially, and inexactly — takes up this theme, what do some conservatives then do? They have in the past printed dire warnings of election theft, without worrying about the concrete consequences — and now they become hysterical when someone agrees with their wolf calls in light of clear evidence of media collusion and Democratic campaign roguery?"

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441397/democratic-hypocrisy-never-trump-sanctimony

Getting along, reaching across the aisle , get government working again, getting things done sounds nice.  But it is a loser to bigger and bigger government, more loss of freedom, more central control and the rest.   

Folks it is over.   We have lost unless by some miracle Trump pulls this out.
I don't get how the establishment Republicans think we can "live" to see another day.   I guess they are corrupted and don't care. 


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« Reply #156 on: October 25, 2016, 01:48:01 PM »

Getting along, reaching across the aisle , get government working again, getting things done sounds nice.


Sounds nice to who? Not to people who value the Constitution and find it to be the ideal standard of guaranteed rights, not some "work of fiction."


Folks it is over.   We have lost unless by some miracle Trump pulls this out.


That's a lie. Clinton doesn't have half of the support her purchased media states. Neither her nor Kaine can fill a high school gymnasium, and Trump routinely pulls in 10's of thousands of people to his events.

Try again.
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« Reply #157 on: October 25, 2016, 02:31:26 PM »

DDF,

"Sounds nice to who? Not to people who value the Constitution and find it to be the ideal standard of guaranteed rights, not some "work of fiction."

Sounds nice to the Left, to undecideds, and to establishment Republicans Democrats and others who make a very good living off government and its related power.   My point was making the government "work" or compromise is the same as pushing for the LEft.

"That's a lie. Clinton doesn't have half of the support her purchased media states. Neither her nor Kaine can fill a high school gymnasium, and Trump routinely pulls in 10's of thousands of people to his events. "

Your right.  Gays , Women, Blacks, Jews, Irish Catholics, Muslims, Asians, Middle Easterners, Hispanics, lawyers, teachers (or for that matter most gov. employees), university people,
 people who benefit from Obama care, and those on government benefits are all going to come out and *secretly* pull the lever for Trump.
Just like Dick Morris told us Romney was going to win.
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« Reply #158 on: November 14, 2016, 12:31:01 PM »




And I don't know why a liberal Republican who is worse then most Rinos is speaking for the party anyway:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/kevin-mccarthy-common-ground-secure-borders/2016/11/14/id/758744/

I have zero confidence in this guy..  His voting record is worse than many Democrats for goodness sakes:

https://www.conservativereview.com/members/kevin-mccarthy/liberty-card/
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« Reply #159 on: November 14, 2016, 01:45:56 PM »

Isn't he the moron who declared the real purpose of Gowdy's Benghazi committee was to "get Hillary" for political gain?
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« Reply #160 on: November 14, 2016, 02:45:22 PM »

Isn't he the moron who declared the real purpose of Gowdy's Benghazi committee was to "get Hillary" for political gain?

Yes.  http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-benghazi-kevin-mccarthy-214325
Bad gaffe.
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« Reply #161 on: November 14, 2016, 04:21:04 PM »

Isn't he the moron who declared the real purpose of Gowdy's Benghazi committee was to "get Hillary" for political gain?

Yes.  http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-benghazi-kevin-mccarthy-214325
Bad gaffe.

I know... but just going to say... I don't trust anyone that would wear a salmon colored tie.




And I don't know why a liberal Republican who is worse then most Rinos is speaking for the party anyway:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/kevin-mccarthy-common-ground-secure-borders/2016/11/14/id/758744/

I have zero confidence in this guy..  His voting record is worse than many Democrats for goodness sakes:

https://www.conservativereview.com/members/kevin-mccarthy/liberty-card/

Because they're both one and the same. Term limits... has to happen.
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« Reply #162 on: November 15, 2016, 11:29:17 AM »

On the face of it this stinks:

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/11/the-election-is-over-house-gop-celebrates-by-passing-a-new-tax-on-concrete
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« Reply #163 on: February 23, 2017, 07:18:02 PM »

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/GOP-Obamacare-repeal-and-replace-town-halls/2017/02/22/id/775110/
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« Reply #164 on: February 23, 2017, 07:37:49 PM »


I like that they don't have an answer for it. Just repeal the POS and let the free market sort it out. Kind of the idea behind freedom. The whole "wiping your own rear end" kind of thing.
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« Reply #165 on: March 24, 2017, 07:49:07 AM »

??   

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446039/checks-balances-american-democracy-trump-administration-courts-congress-states-media
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« Reply #166 on: March 24, 2017, 10:12:47 AM »


He makes a number of good points.
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« Reply #167 on: March 24, 2017, 07:05:59 PM »

and frankly look foolish to have been voting to repeal for years and now they have their chance and they cannot get it together.

So I don't know what Charles who is on our side, seems to be cheerful about.

Except they he voted for Hillary was it?  Not Trump.

He is happy now? vindicated.  Sounds like DC er to me.
BTW I don't see how anyone can blame Trump for this defeat.  The bill basically pissed off everyone from the right - center - left.



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« Reply #168 on: March 24, 2017, 09:10:01 PM »

Drop this forever and move on is probably a negotiating move.

John Hinderer at Powerline says, in hindsight they should have done tax reform first.  (Famous people caught reading the forum.)
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« Reply #169 on: March 24, 2017, 11:07:04 PM »

" (Famous people caught reading the forum.)"

We have our moments grin
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« Reply #170 on: March 31, 2017, 08:35:19 AM »

Trump blaming the freedom caucus for the failure of healthcare reform 1.0 is bad politics.  They need each other, and the count was 15 no votes Freedom caucus, 18 no votes other Republicans.
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« Reply #171 on: March 31, 2017, 11:12:46 AM »

Agree that going after the Freedom Caucus is quite unwise.  These are the men who back Trump (against Ryan!) during the Pussy Grab Tapes brouhaha.

My understanding is that the other no votes by Reps were those in Dem heavy districts who feared the bill going too far (!)

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« Reply #172 on: April 01, 2017, 12:32:28 PM »

Agree that going after the Freedom Caucus is quite unwise.  These are the men who back Trump (against Ryan!) during the Pussy Grab Tapes brouhaha.

My understanding is that the other no votes by Reps were those in Dem heavy districts who feared the bill going too far (!)



It is starting to look like Trump's presidency will end up only having bought us time.

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« Reply #173 on: May 01, 2017, 10:00:53 AM »

Republicans won the the House, the Senate, and now the White House.  100 days in, we have a budget with Republican fingerprints all over it.  The government is funded.  Planned parenthood is funded.  The wall is not.  Obamacare is fully in place and the tax system is the one that Bill Ayers, Saul Alinski and Jeremiah Wright's protege put in place for us, working with Pelosi and Reid.

Elections have consequences?  Depends.
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« Reply #174 on: May 01, 2017, 10:02:24 AM »

Republicans won the the House, the Senate, and now the White House.  100 days in, we have a budget with Republican fingerprints all over it.  The government is funded.  Planned parenthood is funded.  The wall is not.  Obamacare is fully in place and the tax system is the one that Bill Ayers, Saul Alinski and Jeremiah Wright's protege put in place for us, working with Pelosi and Reid.

Elections have consequences?  Depends.

Fcuking worthless.
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« Reply #175 on: May 01, 2017, 12:04:15 PM »

Famous people caught reading the forum, Rush Limbaugh opened his program making the same point.

"That's why I don't get too close to them", he said.  

Likewise.  I support policies and philosophies, not people or parties.  My choice of policies is never supported by Democrats or Centrists, but it is also rarely advanced by the Republicans either, in spite of their occasional supportive words.

Instead of finding 5-10% to disagree on and getting nothing done, Republicans need to find 80% to agree on and get it done.  Now.

Everything we say in foreign policy gets lost in domestic policy.  Appease and fear your enemies and they are emboldened making everything else you will do harder and more costly.  So we cave on all the demands of Chuck Schumer, and that will bring him to the table on WHAT?  Nothing.

I could not care less about a government shutdown or "non-essential" services.  I care about political consequences, but only if it is rightfully blamed on our side.  How could it be?  Only if we roll over and play dead.

The wall was not worth fighting over?  To Trump??  Planned Parenthood, sanctuary cities, not worth fighting over?  Excessive spending is not worth fighting over?  What happened to that budget Pres. Trump just released that cut spending 20%?  Showmanship?  How about 1% of those cuts just to prove it's possible?  Prove we had an election.  How about tying their spending to our tax reform?  It isn't ready?  We need more time to debate it?  Bullshit.  We need to get it right and pass it.

Our side is not ready to govern - and their side wants to destroy the country.  

Lousy choice.
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« Reply #176 on: May 01, 2017, 03:02:05 PM »

GM:  "F...ing worthless."

And while thinking these thoughts, the RNC called me for money today.

They got an earful.  I don't think money is what they need right now.
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« Reply #177 on: May 03, 2017, 07:44:44 AM »

Politics at Heritage?  Or is it politics out at Heritage?

Eliana Johnson reports from behind the scenes.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/02/why-jim-demint-was-ousted-from-heritage-237876
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« Reply #178 on: May 03, 2017, 09:10:30 AM »

I don't know how an organization can call itself "conservative" and claim they are NOT political.  Isn't that an oxymoron.

More  like a  establishment big DC  trying to wrest control from real " conservative" vs tea part populist or constitutional conservative issue influence???


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« Reply #179 on: May 03, 2017, 03:08:23 PM »

I don't know how an organization can call itself "conservative" and claim they are NOT political.  Isn't that an oxymoron.

More  like a  establishment big DC  trying to wrest control from real " conservative" vs tea part populist or constitutional conservative issue influence???

Based on the reporting, DeMint was leading in a Trump direction, looking for research to support that narrative.  Needham is more of a Cruz guy.  Trump is the political vehicle of the moment, but some of his economic ideas aren't backed up in the data.  Cruz and some of his ideas aren't practical or electable in my view.  Heritage should study the effectiveness of different policies and leave the mechanics of campaigning, getting elected and getting things passed to the parties and politicians.

On taxes and economic policy, Heritage should stand unapologetically for economic growth and individual economic freedom, research and print what the mainstream media refuse to do on that.

Here is and example I was looking at yesterday:  http://www.heritage.org/node/18247/print-display
The tax rate cuts of the 1920s were followed by a 61% increase revenues over 7 years.
The Kennedy tax rate cuts brought a 62% increase in revenues over 7 years.
The Reagan tax rate cuts yielded a 54% increase over 6 years (100% over 10 years).
[Then when Bush or Trump propose tax rate cuts, the media demands to know how they will deal with the static revenue loss - a demonstrably false premise question.]

In another example, Heritage ranks which countries allow their people the most and least economic freedom and the economic results that accompany that.

Who do we trust to research these things if they don't?  Brookings? The NY Times?  MSNBC??

Besides Heritage, may I suggest people give money to Center for the American Experiment and some others:
https://www.americanexperiment.org/donate/
https://secured.heritage.org/join-heritage-parallax/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=donate&t_recur=1
https://securessl.cato.org/support/donate
https://www.judicialwatch.org/donate/make-a-contribution-2/
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« Reply #180 on: May 14, 2017, 12:58:50 AM »

Please feel free to post that in the Tax thread here and the Economics thread on the SC&H forum too.
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« Reply #181 on: May 14, 2017, 08:19:16 AM »

http://www.nationalreview.com/g-file/447594/donald-trump-james-comey-debacle-fbi-director-fired-certified-letter

"Ask anybody — off the record, of course — on Capitol Hill about whether all this drama helps them get bills passed or judges confirmed. They will laugh at the question."
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« Reply #182 on: June 01, 2017, 08:02:32 AM »

In the two party system, RINOs (Republicans in name only) by definition are politicians who call themselves Republicans, get elected and govern like Democrats.

The biggest differences in the parties tends to be on domestic policy - taxes, spending and regulations.  The biggest parts of that right now are Obamacare and our arcane, self defeating tax system.

It is now June of the first year of the 'unified' government where we elected a Republican House, Senate and President all promising to fix that - and we wait...

The economic results of this year will be scored as Republican results under Democrat policies. R-I-N-O.

I wrote to my congressman who is on the House Ways and Means Committee about tax reform and he wrote back that he supports it.  Who cares if they support it if they don't enact it!

Am I being unreasonably impatient or are they being stupid, timid, incompetent, unready to govern?

Granted, it is hard to get agreement among a wide group elected from different constituencies under different circumstances.  But the alternative is the status quo leading to economic and electoral failure.

When Republicans fail, see the George Bush Presidency in 2006, voters don't replace them with better Republicans, they aren't even offered better Republicans.  Voters turn to Democrats of the Pelosi-Reid-Obama-Hillary-Ellison-Biden-Sanders-Warren ilk.  By not reforming taxes and programs we will get higher taxes and bigger programs.

The mere prospect that tax rates will be lower next year than this year exacerbates paralysis, stagnation, weakens the economy further and helps the opponents to re-take power and move things irreversibly in the wrong direction.  The longer we wait to repeal and replace Obamacare while dependency gets more and more entrenched just makes it harder or impossible to do ever.

Pick up any major newspaper and read about shiny objects in the rear view mirror while the opportunity to turn this country around gets squandered.
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« Reply #183 on: June 19, 2017, 08:07:51 AM »

circular firing squad continues

what is this all about ?:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jason-chaffetz-slams-trump_us_59475dc5e4b01eab7a2eacc0
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« Reply #184 on: June 25, 2017, 01:24:53 PM »

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/06/22/spare-me-the-principles-lecture-n2343749

Spare Me The Principles Lecture
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I think it was mildly amusing that some loud right-wingers spent a minute disrupting a bunch of New York liberals’ conservative murder porn party.

There, I said it. And now, according to some people on the conservative side, I’m not a conservative anymore.

Oh. Well, if conservatism has morphed into a human centipede of onanistic purity-signaling, then you fussy guardians of the word can have it.

Now, there is a coherent and reasonable argument that hitting back liberals with a taste of their own medicine – that is, inflicting upon them a microscopic fraction of what they have spent decades inflicting upon us – is a bad idea. People I respect and who are friends adhere to this view. I’ve listened to their opinions – because they have earned my attention – and they are wrong.

Note that yes, we are allowed to disagree within conservatism.

Now, a few people I don’t respect also say the disruption was terrible, mostly because they are weak and scared because, in our new conservative world, they have been displaced by more interesting and influential talents who are committed to actually achieving results. Conservatism, Inc., is no longer dedicated solely to securing these timeservers’ mediocre status within the NY/DC establishment hierarchy, and they are understandably frightened of facing a future where mere posturing doesn’t get enough folks writing checks. People got woke because when it came time to fight the same leftist Democrat they had allegedly been fighting for decades, the wimpcons embraced her. After all, she went to the right schools, and under her they would be able to return to their comfortable, if ineffectual, positions in the political scheme of things. And that uncouth Trump – well, he and his supporters are just the wrong kind of people.
 
Regardless, it was appropriate and conservative to chastise the murder fetishizers at the Trump killing play. And you wusscons – don’t start with the, “Well, it’s a play and you don’t understand literature, and the whole butchering the president thing is art which you obviously don’t understand” baloney. Without their POTUS-murdering dog whistle, this would just be another bunch of theater geeks putting on a show. They are rubbing their violent threats in our faces while gaslighting us to the effect that we shouldn’t believe our own lying eyes.

Now, the good faith critique of the disruption, the one not made by conservatism’s Sore Loser League, is that we don’t silence presentations, that we don’t inject the political into the personal, and that we don’t interfere with free speech. Simply because liberals do all those things does not mean we should too. That’s true, to a point.

But let’s look at what actually happened. Some sort-of goofy people infiltrated the Murder/Trump staging of Julius Caesar and started yelling about how these giddy liberals needed to stop celebrating political violence, especially after one of their liberal ilk tried to butcher two dozen GOP legislators a few days before. They didn’t shut down the show – they paused it, for about a minute. After the main one was hustled off-stage, some guy started shouting about how the audience was “Goebbels,” which was embarrassingly silly. Then they followed it up with a lot of whining about being arrested, apparently not understanding how civil disobedience works. So, the initial stage rush was amusing and effective – a measured and short-term protest that did not prevent the moronic staging from continuing. The rest though, as Saul Alinsky warned, became a drag.


Overall, give it a B-. Next time, make your point and move on.

And yes, there should be a next time. There is a case for this sort of activity. It’s just not something we have done much of to date, but we should do more.

First, the “If it’s wrong for them to do it to us, then it’s wrong if we do it to them” formulation is less a principle than a tired cliché. This minor disruption was a tactic; shouting was a tool. It is moral for the good guys – and we are the good guys – to use tactics and tools against an enemy that are immoral when they do it. It was immoral for the Nazis to bomb London; it was moral for us to bomb Nazis. Of course every tactic and tool is not acceptable, but the guys who stormed Omaha Beach did not “become what they were fighting” because they used the same tools and tactics as the enemy.

Second, this sort of performance art is so harmless that the cost/benefit calculus weighs in favor of tolerating such occasional inconveniences. That’s not to say we should not impose higher costs on them – we disapprove of the firing of people for what they say, but Kathy Griffin’s defenestration was a sacrifice worth making to demonstrate the costs of liberal misbehavior. This is crucial. They must pay a cost for establishing their new rules.


Call it retribution or punishment or just payback, but causing pain to wrongdoers is a conservative principle we seem to have forgotten. The left needs to feel the pain that comes from their choices. If they want a world where people suffer for speaking, well, I prefer they didn’t, but I damn well know that if that’s the new rule, their side is going to get it shoved down their throat.

Yes, there is a slippery slope risk. I’ve seen it overseas, where the rule of law was replaced by the rule of power. But we will slip down that slope if we do not grab on up at the top. People are not going to sit back and take this leftist abuse and allow them to impose their leftist tyranny upon us without reacting. If we don’t stop the left now from taking this dangerous path – including by using tools like harmless civil disobedience – then that weakness, as my novels illustrate, invites real conflict with real bloodshed. And we can’t let that happen.


Finally, if our principles are worth having, they are worth fighting for in a way that might conceivably lead to success. One of the folks telling me how wrong and unconservative I am for finding it amusing – a patriot, though wrong – also mentioned that he had been fighting for free speech on campus and in the culture for 20 years. Hmmm. I’ve been fighting for them for 30 years, ever since my dean at UCSD called me in to yell at me because I wrote that the student government was composed of leftist dweebs. Shouldn’t the fact that we have spent decades using the same tactics and losing indicate that maybe we ought to try something new?

Are we going to reason the left out of its ruthless quest for absolute power? Are we going to talk them into civility? Is our sterling example of high principles – which apparently include never, ever, for even a moment, annoying leftists by interrupting their bloody assassination festivals – leading to anything but defeat?

At Fort Benning, they didn’t teach us to lose.

That’s why I reject any principle that somehow obligates me to submit to the left’s tyranny. If your principles told you we had to elect Felonia von Pantsuit and allow her to complete the transformation of the United States into Venezuela II, maybe that’s a sign you need some new principles.
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