ccp: The doctor who during a meeting I was in who said he thought the Repubs would not be ABLE to repeal Obamster care because of this simple phrase: "20 million people will lose their insurance"
An exchange on this thread Oct-Nov, 2016:
Gruber:"The main goal of Obamacare was two-fold. One was to cover the uninsured, of which we’ve covered 20 million, the largest expansion in American history. The other was to fix broken insurance markets where insurers could deny people insurance just because they were sick or they had been sick."
Crafty: Name me a Rep who answers this cogently and tell me what he says.
It was 100% foreseeable and unavoidable all along that you would be accused of taking health insurance away for 20 million if you "repeal Obamacare lock, stock and barrel".
Any pure conservative, libertarian or federalist can see that health insurance is not the domain of the federal government for a host of reasons. And any honest historian can tell you that we have not only never ended a major entitlement after it is in effect, have we ever even cut the growth rate of one?! CBO was wrong on Medicaid by 17-fold as it grew and expanded.
At the very minimum, moving forward on repeal/reform requires consensus of 50% plus one vote of the House, 50 Senators and the White House. A pure view that the federal government has no business at all in health care may be exactly right but isn't going to ever reach that threshold, no matter what Ted Cruz and the Freedom caucus say. Do any of them say they have the votes?
Pointing out that the 20 million is really 10 million, http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=1411.msg102499#msg102499
, or that more than 20 million lost their policies because of Obamacare doesn't make the question go away, what are you going to do about the 20 million (that is really 10 million) that will lose their healthcare if Obamacare is repealed?
Republicans propose tax credits - violation of our principles, new entitlement. Another option is a transition period, two year delay or phase-out. It still begs the question, what are we going to do with the 20 million (10 million)?
It partly comes down to policy and it partly comes to surrendering the war of messenging over the last over the last 8 (or 100) years.
To the naysayers of the Ryan and Trump plan, you better do something because doing nothing is worse and will truly lead to socialized medicine if not stopped now.
And to the writers of the Ryan and Trump 3-part plan, this better be good - and prove the naysayers wrong.