Would the lack of training be yours or that of the man in the clip? :-D
SG, would you please post this on the DBMAA forum too?
Actually SG's pichost clip makes it easier for me to see more and now that I do I better see why Jonobos posted this clip and hereby upgrade my opinion of the performance involved.
The weight on the heels and right hand dow as Problem Child approaches remain as serious defects, but there are some things I do like:
Using StillJames's comments as a frame of reference:
"When he avoids the punch, he wastes a tick bringing his left foot back in front while punching with his right hand. While some people can hit hard from there, the way he's doing it is turning his hip away from the direction he's trying to project power."
Security Guy awaits in a left lead and takes a step back as PC approaches. If he had kept his left hip and shoulder forward we could have said he was in a Kali Fence :-D I have no problem with his stepping in with the left foot as he throws the right hand-- indeed it is a primary option while throwing the right from the KF.
*This is one of my lack of clarity situations. My objection is not that he stepped. The reason I called it a wasted tick is that he did not do anything much with the step. If he'd gotten his hips to line up with it as Guru Crafty suggested, I would have not been bothered by it. Having watched the video a few dozen more times, I think that left foot might be him trying to get his balance back. Or perhaps starting to move and then realizing halfway through it that he is off balance.
"And when he starts on the shove, knee, push sequence, he wastes time again having to get his left knee loaded by reversing his feet yet again. , , , Oh, and while he is using his right to fight, his other hand keeps a death grip on that loose white shirt the man is wearing. Notice that the doorman's punch seems to have more of a damaging effect than the knee. The knee moves the man backwards but does not appear to do any actual damage."
I see this differently. I see the left hand's hold as doing a fine job of keeping PC turned and the footwork as driving nicely on what we call the T-Bone line. Note PC's line of approach and that the angle SG's drive puts PC into the car. I see the knee simply as a smoothly integrated part of this drive.
*I agree completely that the angle of the drive towards the car. I also agree with the objective of keeping White Shirt turned so that Security Guy can take the outside line and drive towards his center. (I apologize for not being up on proper DBMA terminology yet.) I was merely noticing from the sidelines that White Shirt's shirt was loose and already torn. In a fight, people take what they can get and it is not like SG had much time to work with. I would have suggested that SG start with the shirt and then transition to a more secure spot to maintain the grab, if practical. At the end of the day... He was there. I wasn't.
Putting aside the weight on heels and the right hand down (which invites the intiation by the left hook) I'd give this a B or even a B+.
SG, would you please post this on the DBMAA forum too?
Open hands, palms facing outward at shoulder level says "Hey, I don't want any problems here" while allowing one to be positioned to deal with any problems that might initiate from that point. There is a law enforcement concept of a "reactionary gap" you don't let anyone get inside.
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Testing a new pichost... kill 2 birds with 1 stone, make a gif while I'm testing this new pichost.
Thank you supatony for upping the vidclip to Youtube and our own Jonobos for posting here.
~sg
Open hands, palms facing outward at shoulder level says "Hey, I don't want any problems here" while allowing one to be positioned to deal with any problems that might initiate from that point. There is a law enforcement concept of a "reactionary gap" you don't let anyone get inside.
The 21 foot rule? not real practical, but a concept of some sort of gap is better than none. It gives one a "threat upgrade/ wake up" line if nothing else.
notice the tell that the attacker gives before he punches
I don't know, Prentice. That looks more like follow through and recoil from shoving white shirt than a deliberate warding action. I could be wrong, of course.Woof,
I also agree with Tcrutcher that this has apparently been going on for a lot longer than on the clip. Problem Child's shirt is torn, yes. That is something I had noticed, as well.
Not dissing the Security Guy, but I've read/heard that Doormen/Bouncers say if their soft skills have not deescalated the situation and that they have to resort to hard skills then they didn't perform their duties well. Or maybe it was something Dalton/Patrick Swayze said in Road House lolSG, would you please post this on the DBMAA forum too?
Done.
Not dissing the Security Guy, but I've read/heard that Doormen/Bouncers say if their soft skills have not deescalated the situation and that they have to resort to hard skills then they didn't perform their duties well. Or maybe it was something Dalton/Patrick Swayze said in Road House lolSG, would you please post this on the DBMAA forum too?
Done.
Can't comment on bouncing work, but I can apply 14 years of LEO experience. Verbal de-escalation works 98% of the time, if properly applied. That still leaves 2% of the time that the universe has just determined that there WILL be a fight no matter how smoothed tongued you are.
Sgt Mac:
I remember reading about that study at the time.
A variation of your tag line:
"Speak softly, and carry a big stick" :-D