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Thanks for the info Dean. I also have another question. In the Blade Wounds topic we talked shortly about you having a personal Cold Steel Knife on you. How would I get a Personal blade with me when I leave back in?

I know Crafty talked about it once on the Forum but I wanted to see what people thought of this knife.

Dean, That looks like a big knife on your right hand side..Is that what I think it is or something else?

Yes...My Plan is to make it to the gathering. I am just trying to figure out when I am sopposed to be heading back out to Military. I go take my Ball checking test on Wen. So I will know for sure.

Here is a punch is action 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN0LG3u7Lo8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlldw3q1uZU&feature=related

Being able to take a punch and a sucker punch. Knowing some ground work because almost every one on one fight I have been in seems to tumble to the ground and I would say knowing how to cover up and throw some good upper cuts and crosses. Most fight I have seen or been in are in pretty close quarters..Bars, Clubs and the like and most of these seem to start with a sucker punch or a punch from behind the head. Clinching is a must as well as being able to throw some good solid elbows and knees with the clinch.

So by what he is saying here in this post is that Slashing would be more effective or I am reading it wrong? Because he seems to say that stab wounds might or could make the important stuff bend and fold around the blade.

@ sgtmac_46  - So I take it you carry a Karambit?

David,
 You live in Ca? I live in CA and carrying a knife in CA is not illegal in CA but carrying a expandable baton is.

For a first line of defence I use my hands and claws, Second line is running my ass off and the third is a Emerson Karambit and that's only if the other person has a weapon or is going to kill me...

i was just playing on some tires 2 min ago for the hell of it i took a small mantis karambit to the tire, i thought i might get a few larger deeper slices through the tire because of the karambit angle blade, the karambit not only cut deeper i cut thorough the tire walls however i did take the knife and hit the back of the blade and it failed this could be because it is a inferior lock,  have any of you had problems with the emerson lock

What were you using to cut though the tire? A emerson Knife or Emerson Karambit?

I only have one Emerson item and its the Emerson Karambit and I have never seen the lock fail but I do know if you write emerson and tell him about this he will replace the item from what I have been told.

I ask because my friend is headed back out of state and I actually really liked some of the thing's he was showing me and I wanted to continue to see what it was all about.

Been training with a Buddy of mine in MCMAP and I was wondering if anyone on the outside civilian life taught this?

I did so other research. I will private message you the findings.,

Tom,
 I never said anything about his contributions to the Martial Arts. I was pointing out that in my search to find out more about the name ( That was the first time I ever heard the name) I came across to many sites that pointed out that his military service with the Ghurkas was fraud.

If he did or did not serve or was using that to publish his art is beyond my Knowledge. Like I said..It was the first time I have heard the name. I don't know anything of the man except 1) He teaches Ghurkas Comabt methods 2) May have been or may have not been a Ghurka 3) I now know he has a fair amount of Dog Brother Affilation.

So just like my other topic, Kerambit vs Straight Blade this one now looks into what everyone prefered method. Either Standard grip with a Kerambit or holding it down edge out or a look into the Shivworks style of reverse edge method.

Thoughts?

I don't know bout you but I'm also a white guy who knows exectly what michael is talking about.
Stereotypes are for a reason, they are identifiers and usually correct.  Sorry to everyone on the PC train.

You have got to be kidding right? Please tell me that you are joking?

Had no Idea that Ghurkas went to Iraq but I was also interested in their fighting system. Anyone have any idea of this?

http://www.command-post.org/archives/003357.html

Edited to add before it gets lost:

The Gurkhas Have Arrived
OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM (ACCNS) -- Security at this forward deployed location has taken on a formidable new dimension. After adding layers of concertina wire, K-9s and four contingents of law enforcement, officials at the British installation have added a regiment nothing short of legendary.

The Gurkhas, the world-renowned Nepali special forces contingent of the British Army, have hunkered down here, alongside Air Force Security Forces and local police.

For the elite light infantry unit, hunkering down is a simple process, and one of the unit's many extraordinary capabilities. British Army Major Neil Stevens, the Battalion Second in Command of 2nd Royal Gurkha Rifles regiment, explained why his unit is so valuable.

"We can move anywhere in the world on 24 hours' notice," Major Stevens said. "We're ready to go anywhere, anytime."

He said the Gurkhas, rely on flexibility and operational experience. They are configured and used like the U.S. Army Rangers or U.S. Marines. They are also martial artists, airborne tacticians and masters at cover and concealment. As they patrol the perimeter here they'll be drawing upon a more intangible quality – their reputation.

"Our capability is backed up by history," Major Stevens said. "We've received more Victoria Crosses than any other unit."

The Gurkhas have been honored 26 times with the cross, the British equivalent of America's Medal of Honor.

Their heritage is ripe with operational experience. After a British expeditionary conflict in Nepal in the early 19th century, the Royal Army was so impressed with the Gurkha fighters that it recruited and constructed special regiments of the elite soldiers. Since it's inception in 1815, the mostly Nepali force in composition and culture has participated in every significant campaign and many lesser-known military endeavors.

"In the last two years we've been everywhere the British Army's been, from East Timor to Afghanistan," Major Stevens said.

Their reputation is also tethered to their "ethos" -- adherence to a strict, self-imposed code of honor and discipline.

"We must be loyal, honest, well-trained," explained a rifleman standing in front of perfectly arranged cots flush and grounded at their encampment here. "We are very experienced, especially in jungle warfare."

A more recognizable trademark is their long and lethal Kukri knife, a symbol of their legacy and lethality.

The Gurkhas are working with the four agencies already securing this base, including Security Forces, RAF and Ministry of Defense Police and local constabularies.

"We're very happy to be working with the MOD police and U.S. Forces," a Gurkha rifleman said. "We are not sure about the conflict with Iraq and we don't know what will happen, but we're here now and we're happy to help."

Security Forces officials agree and are also happy to have the boost in capability, said Capt. Woody Boyd, the security forces commander at another deployed location, currently assisting in orchestrating the defense of this base.

"I can remember 12 years ago as an airman hearing people talk about Gurkhas and what they are capable of doing," Captain Boyd said. "The Gurkha is an extremely professional soldier and we're extremely honored to work with them. It definitely enhances security."

Security forces officials indicated the regiment will be deployed on the perimeter to thwart any intruders. It will also serve as a last line of defense before armed Air Force security forces on the airfield. Major Stevens alluded to the employment of a balance of conventional policing and stealthy tactics.

"We intend to be very visible during the day for the purpose of deterrence," Major Stevens said. "But at night it's another matter. We'll be configured accordingly."

Quote from: Crafty_Dog on May 20, 2008, 05:53:04 AM

Of course legal issues apply here.

The PD solution has much to recommend it technically, but apart from LEOs and military in the field, what jurisdiction allows civilians to legally carry one?

Actually, a PD is quite legal in California, however the knife, like all fixed blades must be carried
exposed; it cannot be concealed.  Also, note certain cities have length limits, i.e. Los Angeles
is 3".  Now whether a PD is a good choice for self defense, I don't have an opinion.

As for another point, "why" you are carrying the knife, assuming it is carried exposed and meets
length limits etc. is not a legal issue in California.  My answer to a Leo can be to cut to
my cigars, cut rope, or simply "self defense".  Leo's do't like "self defense", but "use" is not relevant.

I live in California and I was once pulled over and asked why I have a knife on me and I responded "To cut my Belt incase of a car crash" I find funny how L.E.O don't like you to use the word "Self Defence" Like its a bad thing to defend yourself. I guess just more paper work to fill out 

The Karambit has always been a Favorite of mine. I have a Emerson Combat Karambit and I have been in love with it and I also have a cold steel recon 1 tanto point and I can never really decide on what is better.

 I see the defence for a normal knife being Grab and Stab but the same can be said for a Karambit. You can grab and slash someone up terrible and  my mother who is a nurse said that deep slash wounds that rake across meat and vein are harder to stop the bleeding opposed to getting stabbed. A stab can be plugged up and you can have a better chance to make it to the hospital ( Unless you get stabbed in some major organ) But a deep terrible large surface rending is a large area and can't be plugged up as easy a a stab wound and you have a great chance of bleeding out faster but then again..If someone goes prison style on you with a normal blade that can end up with you spilling out everywhere.

If you are worried about stopping power , I don't think there are many people in the world that can take a Karambit shot to the throat area or right across the gut. I know I can't !! 

Many of the known natural predators have natural Karambit hanging/popping out of their body's for a reason. What those reason are, I hope to never find out.

But let's be real. Any sharp blade being swung at you Karambit or normal is not a good thing. lol!

Thank you Crafty for that post. I am curious however on your thought on the Tribal Fighting vs the Civilized world fighting methods.

Like the title says. I have heard both sides of the topic on what one is better. I was interested in seeing what people hear thought of either one.

Has anyone had the chance to look into this? I was talking to Guide Dog about it today after class and told him about a friend of mine who would like to enter a gathering but he does not practice Kali. He learned Native American Systems taught to him by a awesome man out of Barstow who lived in the Native American Reservation up by Crystal Lake or White lake..Anyways, this stuff is pretty off the chain.

I spared my friend the other day with his make shift tomahawk and he was holding a sharkie in his belt line. We would clash and he would hook my weapon or go for a leg, Behind the neck or shoulder hooks with his weapon and if his got me of footing or unbalanced he would pull his sharkie and try to stab me.

I was rather impressed.

It was his first time he sparred against someone using Kali and he was rather impressed. Their knife system of deployment was rather interesting and very to the point. Not really any slashes...

The grappling system he deployed was not very technical but very very effective. It was more of a charge to a flying or jumping tackle and then alot of smashing, Punches, gouges, Finger manipulation, Throat chokes and bites..

I found using BJJ against him was rather hard..And almost sometimes not worth the effort and just trying to get back to my feet.

The blows he threw were very off balance to look at, at first but they came from all directions..I saw how a good old fashion American hay maker could break though the line though.

The stalking he was using looked like Kali stalking to me..And then I brought this up to Guide Dogs attention.

It seems to me that Tribal People seems to fight almost the same or certain ways and Non Tribal civilizations seem to follow the same pattern.

I.E Western European Sword fighting and Eastern Japanese and Chinese Sword fighting follows this hand over hand stance, Front foot forward and a step to beat cut with very hard line blocks and cuts and maybe this has something to do with the fact that these groups had things like armour to protect and make up for certain movement? While Tribal groups seems to have this very free flow, Circle motion and some sort of zoning out, A stalk and hitting the limb before it hits you type stuff.

I also notice the grappling systems from tribal groups seem to follow this very brutal type of ground destruction. Bites, Gouges, Smashes and throat rends.

Am I totally off base here?

My friend also noticed this about Kali and NAFS he wondered about the samething after seeing kali being used against him.

Anyways, I brought this up to guide dog and asked him what he thought about my friend joining the ranks of a gathering and using his system to fight in it. He thought it sounded great but I need to help my friend find someone who can make a non lethal Tomahawk with the same snap as Rattan.

Any thoughts on this topic or suggestions?

I think this is it.


http://www.worldkaratemai.com/

This is a great fight. Pro Skater Mike V fighting 4 guys

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pOWZFQ1SPaI&feature=related

I will pass along the information to him. I know he is going to be excited to get back into the game down here..He has been really into learning the Khukri. I have a Khukri but I use it Kali style but he has a totally different method when using one.