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Martial Arts Topics / FEEDBACK PLEASE
« on: January 25, 2004, 05:01:27 AM »
A Hearty Woof to All:

  I would like to take this moment to ask for feedback on this Forum-- likes, dislikes, that sort of thing.

  In addition to general matters, of particular specific interest to me are:

1) What do people think of the current policy of allowing anonymous "guests" to post?  Should we require registering in order to post?

2) What do people think of our present approach to what may be posted and what may not?

TIA,
Crafty Dog

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Martial Arts Topics / about Atillo Balintawak and Balintawak history
« on: January 24, 2004, 08:08:05 AM »
Woof All:

  OK, my intuitive sense of things is that it is time to muzzle this one.  I now go to figure out how to lock this one down.

Crafty Dog

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Martial Arts Topics / Humor
« on: January 23, 2004, 07:57:13 PM »
Subject: pilot wisdom

 
Though I Fly Through the Valley of Death ...I Shall
Fear No Evil ... For I am at 80,000 Feet and Climbing.
(sign over the entrance to the SR-71 operating
location Kadena, Japan).

You've never been lost until you've been lost at Mach
3. (Paul F.Crickmore - test pilot)

From an old carrier sailor - Blue water Navy truism;
There are more planes in the ocean than submarines in
the sky.

If the wings are traveling faster than the fuselage,
it's probably a helicopter -- and therefore, unsafe.

Navy carrier pilots to Air Force pilots: Flaring is
like squatting to pee.

When one engine fails on a twin-engine airplane you
always have enough power left to get you to the scene
of the crash.

Without ammunition, the USAF would be just another
expensive flying club.

What is the similarity between air traffic controllers
and pilots? If a pilot screws up, the pilot dies; If
ATC screws up, the pilot dies.

Never trade luck for skill.
The three most common expressions (or famous last
words) in aviation are: "Why is it doing that?",
"Where are we?" and "Oh S#!+!"

Weather forecasts are horoscopes with numbers.

Progress in airline flying; now a flight attendant can
get a pilot pregnant.

Airspeed, altitude, and brains. Two are always needed
to successfully complete the flight.

A smooth landing is mostly luck; two in a row is all
luck; three in a row is prevarication.

I remember when sex was safe and flying was dangerous.

Mankind has a perfect record in aviation; we never
left one up there!

Flashlights are tubular metal containers kept in a
flight bag for the purpose of storing dead batteries.

Flying the airplane is more important than radioing
your plight to a person on the ground incapable of
understanding or doing anything about it.

When a flight is proceeding incredibly well, something
was forgotten.

Just remember, if you crash because of weather, your
funeral will be held on a sunny day.

Advice given to RAF pilots during W. W. II. When a
prang (crash) seems inevitable, endeavor to strike the
softest, cheapest object in the vicinity as slowly and
gently as possible.

The Piper Cub is the safest airplane in the world; it
can just barely kill you. (Attributed to Max Stanley,
Northrop test pilot)

A pilot who doesn't have any fear probably isn't
flying his plane to its maximum. (Jon McBride,
astronaut)

If you're faced with a forced landing, fly the thing
as far into the crash as possible. (Bob Hoover -
renowned aerobatic and test pilot)

If an airplane is still in one piece, don't cheat on
it; ride the bastard down. (Ernest K. Gann, author &
aviator)

Never fly in the same cockpit with someone braver than
you.

There is no reason to fly through a thunderstorm in
peacetime. (Sign over squadron ops desk at
Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ, 1970).

The three best things in life are a good landing, a
good orgasm, and, a good bowel movement. The night
carrier landing is one of the few opportunities in
life where you get to experience all three at the
same time. (Author unknown, but someone who's been
there)

"Now I know what a dog feels like watching TV." (A
DC-9 captain trainee attempting to check out on the
'glass cockpit' of an A-320).

If something hasn't broken on your helicopter, it's
about to.

Basic Flying Rules Try to stay in the middle of the
air. Do not go near the edges of it. The edges of the
air can be recognized by the appearance of ground,
buildings, sea, trees and interstellar space. It is
much more difficult to fly there.

You know that your landing gear is up and locked when
it takes full power to taxi to the terminal.


 
   
 
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Martial Arts Topics / about Atillo Balintawak and Balintawak history
« on: January 22, 2004, 06:03:33 PM »
Woof All:

I don't like using the choke collar, but  my doggie nose detects a whiff of things about to go south from here.  Lets wrap this one up please.    

Crafty Dog

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Martial Arts Topics / Weird and/or silly
« on: January 22, 2004, 10:40:27 AM »
Dog robs gas station

A hungry bull terrier with a sweet tooth left his home to make a night raid on a gas station. The Statoil outlet's security cameras recorded the dog's stealthy hunt for his favorite type of chocolate, and a security guard busted the pooch without incident, newspaper Adressavisen reports.


 
Conan arrives around dawn, looking for something to satisfy his habit.

PHOTO: Adresseavisen
 
Conan makes a thorough search - he won't settle for just anything.

PHOTO: Adresseavisen
 
Is that the chocolate covered rice crisp?

PHOTO: Adresseavisen
Terrier Conan, aged 7, ended up behind bars and according to his owner the dog is a repeat offender.

"He is incredibly fond of food in general and sweets in particular. He has run off a few times before, and he always heads for food stores," owner Liss-Hege Jeremiassen told Adresseavisen.

Conan sneaked out the door Wednesday night and headed straight for only place open, a nearby Statoil station. The cameras picked him up sniffing around the candy shelves, poking his nose into the containers of sweets sold by loose weight, and snubbing all of these treats in search of his personal favorite, chocolate covered rice crisp. Here he stopped and devoured the contents of the container.

"When he was finished he let out this enormous burp," said Elisabeth Roel, who had the night shift at the station.

She tried to chase Conan out but the dog growled at this attempt to interrupt his chocolate raid. Roel then called the police, who turned the job over to Falken security.

"He's really a nice dog, but he doesn't have looks on his side. He spent the night next to a pit bull, but that went well. He's calm and friendly," said security guard Otto Olsen, who apprehended the hound.

Roel said she wouldn't have been worried if she had recognized Conan, but since he had escaped without his collar, she wasn't sure and wasn't about to take chances.

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Martial Arts Topics / Humor
« on: January 16, 2004, 01:16:15 PM »
Woof All:

  Like the title says, this thread is for humor.  "R" rated Ok, but not "X" please.

  I've been travelling more of late and the following cracked me up.

Yip,
Crafty Dog
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All too rarely, Australian airline attendants make an effort to make the in-flight "safety lecture" and their other announcements a bit more entertaining. Here are some real examples that have been heard or reported:


On an Air NZ Flight with a very "senior" flight attendant crew, the pilot said, "Ladies and gentlemen, we've reached cruising altitude and will be turning down the cabin lights. This is for your comfort and to enhance the appearance of your flight attendants."


On landing the hostess said, "Please be sure to take all your belongings. If you're going to leave anything, please make sure it's something we'd like to have."


"There may be 50 ways to leave your lover, but there are only 4 ways to leave the aircraft."


As the plane landed and was coming to a stop at Auckland, a lone voice came over the loudspeaker: "Whoa, big fella. WHOA!"


After a particularly rough landing during thunderstorms in Adelaide, a flight attendant on a Qantas flight announced, "Please take care when opening the overhead compartments because, after a landing like that, sure as f*** everything has shifted."


From a Qantas employee: "Welcome aboard Qantas Flight XXX to YYY. To operate your seat belt, insert the metal tab into the buckle, and pull tight. It works just like every other seat belt; and, if you don't know how to operate one, you probably shouldn't be out in public unsupervised."


"In the event of a sudden loss of cabin pressure, masks will descend from the ceiling. Stop screaming, grab the mask, and pull it over your face. If you have a small child travelling with you, secure your mask before assisting with theirs. If you are travelling with more than one small child, pick your favourite.


"Weather at our destination is 32 degrees with some broken clouds, but we'll try to have them fixed before we arrive. Thank you, and remember, nobody loves you, or your money, more than Qantas Airlines."


"Your seat cushions can be used for flotation; and in the event of an emergency water landing, please paddle to shore and take them with our compliments."


"Should the cabin lose pressure, oxygen masks will drop from the overhead area. Please place the bag over your own mouth and nose before assisting children... or other adults acting like children."


Heard on Qantas Airlines just after a very hard landing in Hobart: The flight attendant came on the intercom and said, "That was quite a bump, and I know what you are all thinking. I'm here to tell you it wasn't the airline's fault, it wasn't the pilot's fault, it wasn't the flight attendant's fault... it was the asphalt!"


Another flight attendant's comment on a less than perfect landing: "We ask you to please remain seated as Captain Kangaroo bounces us to the terminal."


An airline pilot wrote that on this particular flight he had hammered his ship into the runway really hard. The airline had a policy which required the first officer to stand at the door whilethe passengers exited, smile, and give them a "Thanks for flying United. "He said that, in light of his bad landing, he had a hard time looking the passengers in the eye, thinking that someone would have a smart comment. Finally everyone had got off except for an old lady walking with a cane. She said,"Sonny, mind if I ask you a question?" "Why no Ma'am," said the pilot. "What is it?"

The little old lady said, "Did we land or were we shot down?"


After a real crusher of a landing in Sydney, the Flight Attendant came on with, "Ladies and Gentlemen, please remain in your seats until Capt. Crash and the Crew have brought the aircraft to a screeching halt against the gate. And, once the tire smoke has cleared and the warning bells are silenced, we'll open the door and you can pick your way through the wreckage to the terminal."


Part of a flight attendant's arrival announcement: "We'd like to thank you folks for flying with us today. And, the next time you get the insane urge to go blasting through the skies in a pressurised metal tube, we hope you'll think of Qantas."


A plane was taking off from Mascot Airport. After it reached a comfortable cruising altitude, the captain made an announcement over the intercom, "Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. Welcome to Flight Number XYZ, non-stop from Sydney to Auckland. The weather ahead is good and, therefore, we should have smooth and uneventful flight. Now sit back and relax - SH*T! ARGHHH! OH, MY GOD!" Silence followed and after a few minutes, the captain came back on the intercom and said, "Ladies and Gentlemen, I am so sorry if I scared you earlier, but, while I was talking, the flight attendant brought me cup of coffee and spilled the hot coffee in my lap. You should see the front of my pants!" A passenger in Economy said, "That's nothing. He should see the back of mine!"
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This guy is flying down the interstate, going way faster than he should be, and consequently he gets pulled over by the state police. When the officer comes up to the window, the man says, ?Before you say anything, I should probably tell you that this car is stolen, I have an unregistered handgun in the glove compartment, and there is a dead body in the trunk.? The officer, in absolute shock, calls for backup and within minutes the road is blocked off and there are cops all around. They search the car and find none of the things he said to be true. After investigating, the sergeant approaches the driver and says, ?I don?t understand. I spoke with the officer who pulled you over, and he said you told him there was a gun in the glovebox, a body in the trunk, and that the car was stolen. What?s the deal here?? The man stands there dumbfounded, then says, ?I bet he told you I was speeding, too, huh??

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Martial Arts Topics / Did Filipino Martial Arts Revolutionize Boxing?
« on: January 14, 2004, 10:55:59 AM »
Woof All:  

For those of you not familiar with him, Krishna Godhania is a well-regarded eskrimador from England.  Not only is he a DBMA Lakan Guro ;-) he's the top student of GM Abner Pasa of Warrior Eskrima and has travelled quite a bit to the Philippines.  Having seen some of video of his training in boxing while there, I asked him to put something together for this thread.

At the moment he is travelling to India on family matters, so he forwarded the following to me for me to post in his behalf.

Woof,
Crafty Dog
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Western Boxing v Filipino Boxing, two similar but distinct arts?
By Krishna Godhania.



The largest obstacle facing Filipino martial artists - is the lack of written documentation regarding the technical evolvement of their art.  The earliest surviving - instructional manual on the art is Placido Yambao's - Mga Karunungan sa Laring Arnis (1957).  However, this is a book focusing on classical espada y daga as opposed to empty hands.  A copy of Don Baltazar Gonzales' book De los Delitos (1800) remains to be found, according to the late Manong Eulogio "Yoling" Canete - this book made references to Pangamut (empty hands).  According to Manong Abner Pasa the only copy which Yoling had seen - was destroyed during the second world war.  As a result, we must rely on oral tradition...which some critics regard as unreliable.

In contrast, about 20 instructional western boxing manuals were published before 1850.  Since 1850, over 200 instructional manuals are known.  This allows us to trace the early evolution of the art through literature.  Some years back, I spent a considerable amount of time - reading most of these manuals - at the British Museum Library.  The following are my thoughts on the evolution of Western Boxing.

Early boxing (1740 - 1780) was somewhat crude and highly individual.  Footwork was meagre, the only individual to have used it to any great extent during this period - was Ned Hunt - a pupil of Broughton (the father of modern boxing).  Broughton was extremely proficient at body punching - and the solar plexus, was often referred to as Broughton's "mark".  During this period, chops with the hammer-fist and swings were widely used.  Defense was essentially guarding with the forearm.  The forearms were used to deflect straight punches and to block swings and chops.  Counter attacks called "returns" were made after the initial attack was complete.  Straight punches using a modified fencing lunge - so as to throw the body's weight into the punch - were known from the earliest period.  The stance was the same as that of english singlestick play - which many boxers of this period cross-trained in.

In the 1780's, the great pugilist Daniel Mendoza did much to evolve boxing footwork; retreating and side-stepping gradually began to lose their overtones of cowardice.  "Gentleman" John Jackson perfected the straight left lead in 1790 and used it with authority.  During the same period Ben Brain fathered the straight right, and Dutch Sam introduced the uppercut in 1800.  The hook was hardly used - because it is a short range blow - the hook would more easily expose its user to a close and throw.  Throws played a great part in the fights of this era, cross-buttocks (high hip throws), and a variety of trips - such as the back heel were common.  Fighters often "accidentally" fell on their opponent - so as to maximise the impact of the throw.  "Fibbing" later called "head in chancery" (holding the opponent's head with one hand whilst hitting it with the other) was widely practiced.  Defensive hitting (the ability to hit effectively whist retreating) was known during this period, but was called "milling on the retreat".  It was developed by Tom Cribb in 1810.  

Sometime, during the 1840's the on-guard position changed.  Perhaps the decrease in boxers cross-training with weaponry (principally singlestick) influenced this development.  The hands were lowered (note: not always to their detriment), the left pointing forward and the right held across the mark.  The stance was more upright, sometimes effaced and sometimes with the shoulders square.  The lower guard led to the development of "head movement" -slipping, ducking and swaying back.  It also contributed to the development of "drawing".  Counters (counter-attacks delivered simultaneously with the attack) were also developed during the mid 1800's.

It is interesting to note, that under Broughton's Rules (1743), and the Rules of the London Prize Ring (1838, 1853), few blows were barred, wrestling was allowed, and the fight continued until one man or the other could no longer rise ("toe the scratch") or be dragged to his feet at the end of thirty seconds.  The Marquis of Queensberry Rules (1867) introduced the wearing of gloves for fights (although they were known as "mufflers" and were worn for sparring since Broughton's time).  The Queensberry Rules also introduced the 3 minute round, and the 10 second knockout.  This further changed the shape of boxing.  In some cases, it increased the severity of professional fights - for gloves protect a fighter's hands more than his opponent's face.  

Swings became popular again, because protection of the gloves helped reduce the risk of damage to the hands - when delivering these punches.  James J Corbett was credited with developing the short or "shovel" hook in 1889.  In the same year George La Blanche - knocked out the original Jack Dempsey - with the "pivot punch" - a move taught to him by the english lightweight - Jimmy Carroll. The "corkscrew blow" - which involved rotation of the fist from palm up to palm down - was popularised during the 1890's by Kid McCoy (although it was taught to him by the great trainer - Jimmy DeForest).  The Queensberry rules banned wrestling - as a result the natural crouch gained in popularity, and was used effectively by such fighters as Frank Slavin and Jim Jeffries.

During the early 1900's, Jack Johnson (perhaps the greatest defensive boxer in the history of the game) - perfected the "catch" - a defensive manouver whereby you literally catch the opponent's punch - in the palm of your glove.  "Infighting" was also developed considerably during the early 1900's.  The bob and weave was used more often - to gain the inside position.  Concepts such as "shifting" with the opponent's punches and different types of clinching were developed.

Western Boxing came to the Philippines (via US servicemen) in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.  As can be seen from the above, it was already a highly evolved art.  Manong Dan Inosanto has mentioned that "when the Americans saw the Filipino's box (early 1900's) - they noticed a high on-guard position, unusually quick punching and lots of footwork...unknown to them - this was as a result of previous training with knife".

In my archives, I have a boxing article called "the Father of Philippine Boxing". (1927).  The article is about Eddie Tait, one of the first boxing promoters in the Philippines.  However, it contains some interesting observations - such as "...there has been a gradual discarding of the deadly knife without which the average Filipino once thought himself hardly dressed."
It should be noted - that not many discarded the knife.  Even today, the Philippines has a blade culture.

I believe it is the influence of the knife, which makes Panantukan (aka Pangamut) unique.  

I trained extensively with Manong Estaneslao "Tanny" del Campo.  Tanny was one of the best boxers to come out of the Philippines.  He fought for the world bantamweight title in the 50's, and fought two - very close fights against Gabriel "Flash" Elorde.  Tanny told me the Filipino method of boxing differs from western boxing in the following ways.

"It is essentially a bare-fist art.  It makes use of punches to the groin, elbows to the body and face, arm wrentching, headbutting, and "turning" or "spinning" the opponent so as to disorientate him. The parry is favoured - against the block, because your opponent may be attacking with a concealed weapon in the fist.    In short it is designed for the street.  If you want to box in the ring, you must learn western boxing, if you use Pangamut in the ring - you will surely get disqualified".

My belief is that any western boxer can - benefit from cross-training in the Filipino method.  From a self defence perspective - it will give him many more options.  From a ring perspective, some of the following training methods will help enhance his boxing.

Try using a training knife in conjunction with the focus pad, as a "coaching tool" - to improve punching, and body evasion.

For example, let's take the jab.  Hold a focus pad - in your right hand, and knife in your left hand.  If the puncher drops the arm upon retraction, hold the knife at chest level.  This will give him feedback.  If the punching arm is slow to retract - after hitting the pad, cut it with the knife.  If the puncher has a tendency to lean "over" the central-axis when punching with the right cross, put the knife in front of the sternum - this will make him rotate his torso "around" the central-axis.  If you want to increase speed of footwork, get the puncher to move into range with the jab and stab the lead leg, so that he moves rapidly out of range - after jabbing.

To conclude, the Filipino's must have embraced western boxing, and then applied their knowledge of the knife to create a similar - yet distinct art.  Unfortuntately, there are no old surviving books on the subject (although Guro Rick Faye's recent book - is an excellent effort).  Old teachers are rarer yet.  Most have passed away.  I was fortunate to find two in the Philippines (Manong Tanny Campo and Manong Dicoy Veraye); this was after a decade of research - most of which was off the beaten track.

The US - is fortunate to have Manong Dan Inosanto, who's Panantukan is highly evolved and unique.

These teachers - continue to keep this wonderful art alive.

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Martial Arts Topics / DB in the media
« on: January 08, 2004, 01:52:22 PM »
A Canadian station has referenced us on their website at http://www.cfox.com/station/geeks.cfm

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Martial Arts Topics / SERVER PROBLEMS
« on: January 08, 2004, 12:48:41 PM »
Woof to All:

  It has come to our attention that we have not been receiving a number of emails and I am told that we will be changing servers in an effort to rectify this so know that if you recently have sent us an email it may not have gotten through and know that this forum/website may be down in the near future.

the adventure continues,
Crafty Dog

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Martial Arts Topics / mexico seminar
« on: January 08, 2004, 10:55:23 AM »
Woof Ed:

Yes the mini-camp is on for April.  Any chance you can make it?

Guro C.

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Martial Arts Topics / Female Violence
« on: January 06, 2004, 08:54:13 AM »
Fatal Stabbing Called a Rare Act by Girls
 A back-alley knifing of a teen in Anaheim, in which two girls are held, highlights differences between the sexes in youth violence.
 
 
By Jennifer Mena and Mai Tran, Times Staff Writers


The fatal back-alley stabbing of a teenage girl in Anaheim over the weekend was a rare outburst of extreme violence among girls, apparently fueled by motives not often found in young men, witnesses and experts say.

"Boys fight for instrumental reasons, such as money. Girls tend to fight for emotional reasons," said Meda Chesney-Lind, a women's studies professor at the University of Hawaii at Manoa, who has written several books on women and violence.
 
Homicide detectives won't discuss the possible motive behind the killing of 17-year-old Yolanda Acevedo. But to her friends, the reason was clear: She was beautiful, and her assailants were jealous.

Acevedo died several hours after she was attacked, allegedly by two other teenage girls late Friday night in an alley behind an apartment complex in the 1800 block of West Glencrest Avenue, where she had lived with her family for two years.

Police on Saturday arrested two Anaheim girls: Nuvia Jeanneth Constantino, 17, and Linda Duarte, 16. Duarte lived in the apartment below Acevedo. The two suspects will be tried as adults, prosecutors said Monday, and were being held without bail at Orange County Juvenile Hall.

Police said a weeks-long feud led to the killing, in which Acevedo was stabbed in the neck, heart and lung. A 19-year-old friend from childhood who was with her was treated for minor injuries and released from the hospital.

Neither the victims nor their alleged attackers were gang members, police said.

The killing stunned authorities because such extreme violence among young women is rare.

"We're so accustomed to hearing about males in fights and, unfortunately, [being] the victim of homicides," said Anaheim Police Sgt. Rick Martinez. "I haven't seen anything like this in my 30 years here."

Indeed, such crime is on the decline, said Chesney-Lind. Citing the FBI Uniform Crime Statistics, she said female juvenile arrests for murder and non-negligent manslaughter dropped 43% from 1993 to 2002.

"I would suspect that in this case, [death] was not intentional," she said. "Girls tend to feel more guilty about what they do."

Acevedo's friends said Monday that they had spent several hours Friday straightening her hair before they gathered in the alley behind the apartment complex where she lived.

Trouble began when two girls and a teenage boy came out to the alley and reignited a disagreement that had been festering for several weeks, police and friends said.

The attackers "started stuff with us" and harassed Acevedo, said Laura Vizcarra, who attended elementary school with Acevedo and was wounded in the attack. "They always had something to say."

They "were talking trash," said Yesenia Mendoza, 19, Acevedo's sister-in-law, who said she was struck in the head with a bottle. "They came back with Corona bottles and hit us."

Acevedo "was beautiful, gorgeous," Vizcarra said. "They were jealous of her looks."

Neighbors heard the scuffle and called police, who arrived to find broken bottles and no one at the scene. They were notified by staff at Anaheim Memorial Medical Center after friends took Acevedo and Vizcarra there.

Knives and bottles are more common weapons of choice for girls than guns, said Chesney-Lind.

Some of the emotional reasons girls will pick fights include disagreements over boyfriends, gossip or "mean looks," she said. Boys usually commit violence for reasons related to gangs, drug sales or turf, she said.

In tough neighborhoods, Chesney-Lind said, girls may fight to gain respect, which they don't get through good grades or submissive behavior.

Usually, both the aggressor and the victim have lives marked by some sort of victimization, either poverty or poor relationships, she added.

Acevedo's father, Juan Acevedo, a native of Zacatecas, Mexico, who works in construction, said he never spoke to his downstairs neighbors, did not know their names and was not aware his daughter was the object of any harassment from them.

Acevedo attended Brookhurst Junior High School before joining the Anaheim-based Orange County Conservation Corps, a work-study program in which participants divide their time between studies and public works projects.

Vizcarra spent part of Monday sweeping the ground in front of the makeshift memorial of beer cans, liquor bottles and carnations that stands where Acevedo was killed.

Friends and family members stood nearby, crying and sharing stories. A sign read, "May you be at Peace. Forever in Our Hearts."

If you want other stories on this topic, search the Archives at latimes.com/archives

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Martial Arts Topics / about Atillo Balintawak and Balintawak history
« on: January 05, 2004, 05:03:32 AM »
Are there differences in technique, training method, theory?

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Martial Arts Topics / Mindanao in a Nutshell
« on: January 03, 2004, 06:40:30 AM »
John, Underdog et al:

  Oddly enough, precisely because I was there AFTER the base was closed, I was not exposed to any of that at all rather the remainders of the highly qualified, hard working work force that was part of making the base possible.  

John you make your point eloquently.  Thank you.

Crafty Dog

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Martial Arts Topics / Mindanao in a Nutshell
« on: January 01, 2004, 11:50:28 AM »
"underdog", Timothy et al:

underdog you make your point well with the example of the accusations of those afflicted outside Subic.  That said, when I was in Olongapo (for those who don'tknow, this is the city surrounding Subic) the impression I got was that in general people were sad that we were gone.  This is not to say that it is not entirely possible that the particular accusations you mention be true.

Concerning when Timothy wrote:

"I'm not trying to defend the Muslim Fascists, but the truth is "the US is now in rampage to kill anything Muslim" (this phrase) is a sentiment echoed by many Muslims and Middle Easterners around the World.

"If you put yourself in the shoes of a Muslim, having watched all footages in CNN, having looked around you and see your way of life enveloped by Western culture, you would say the above phrase also"

Well, apart from CNN being a dishonestly biased source in its own right (did you catch, for example, their admission that they shaded their reporting in order to be allowed in by SH and to protect the Iraqis working for them?)

1) I'm not sure what you mean by "all footages (sic) in (sic) CNN".

2) The "envelopment by Western culture", even if true, does not lead to a conclusion of murderous intent.  This simply is non-rational.  Perhaps if my thinking had only the generally unfree press and media of the Arab world to rely upon you may be right-- but perhaps this is a good argument for trying a free press instead of blaming us?

Anyway, here's a literate rant from Victor Hansen which touches upon some themes related to Timothy's arguments.  See especially from the paragraph beginning "If we accept , , ," forward.

Woof,
Crafty Dog

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December 30, 2003, 12:00 a.m.
The Western Disease
The strange syndrome of our guilt and their shame

Victor Davis Hanson

 

After watching a string of editorial attacks on America both at home and from abroad in the aftermath of Saddam?s capture, I thought back to the actual record of the last two years. In 24 months the United States defeated two of the most hideous regimes in modern memory. For all the sorrow involved, it has already made progress in the unthinkable: bringing consensual government into the heart of Middle Eastern autocracy, where there has been no political heritage other than tyranny, theocracy, and dictatorship.

 In liberating 50 million people from both the Taliban and Saddam Hussein it has lost so far less than 500 soldiers ? some of whom were killed precisely because they waged a war that sought to minimalize not just civilian casualties but even the killing of their enemies. Contrary to the invective of Western intellectuals, the American military?s sins until recently have been of omission ? preferring not to shoot looters or hunt down and kill insurgents ? rather than brutal commission. While the United States has conducted these successive wars some 7,000 miles beyond its borders, it also avoided another terrorist attack of the scale of September 11 ? and all the while crafting a policy of containment of North Korea and soon-to-be nuclear Iran.

Thus by any comparative standard of military history, the last two difficult years, despite setbacks and disappointments, represent a remarkable military achievement .Yet no one would ever gather even the slightest acknowledgment of such success from our Democratic grandees. Al Gore dubbed the Iraqi liberation a quagmire and, absurdly, the worst mistake in the history of American foreign policy. Howard Dean, more absurdly, suggested that the president of the United States might have had foreknowledge of September 11. Most Americans now shudder at the thought that the former might have been president in this time of crisis ? and that the latter still could be.

Often American and European writers echo the fury of Gore and Dean. For example, on the day before Saddam Hussein was captured, one could reread in the International Herald Tribune a long reprinted rant by Paul Krugman, the Princeton professor. He exclaimed, ?In the end the Bush doctrine ? based on delusions of grandeur about America?s ability to dominate the world through force ? will collapse. What we?ve just learned is how hard and dirty the doctrine?s proponents will fight against the inevitable.? Krugman was apparently furious that American taxpayer dollars were going to be used to hire exclusively American and Coalition companies to rebuild Iraq rather than be paid out to foreign entities whose governments opposed the removal of Saddam Hussein. ?Hard and dirty??

On the same page Bob Herbert assured his foreign audience that ?The Republicans are hijacking elections and redistricting the country and looting the Treasury and ignoring the Constitution and embittering our allies.? That outside entities and media have confirmed the vote counts of the Florida election, that Congress must approve federal spending and pass laws, that an independent judiciary audits our legislation, and that 60 countries are now engaged in Iraq meant nothing. ?Hijacking and looting??

The next day after Saddam?s capture I channel surfed global cable TV. A rather refined-looking French self-described expert in jurisprudence was lecturing his audience about the proper legal framework that was ?acceptable? to the international community. From his dandified look he appeared a rather different sort from the Americans who crawled into Saddam?s spider hole to yank him out. Soft power I suppose is the glib pontification from the salon; hard power is dragging out mass murderers at night in Tikrit.

Next channel: Another worried-looking European analyst was raising the specter of a potential oppressed prisoner suffering at ?Guantanamo? ? in voicing concern for the rights of Saddam Hussein! French trading with a mass murderer, profiting from selling him arms to butcher his own people is one thing; worrying that the same monster fully understands the nuances of Western jurisprudence while in the docket is quite another. Of course, our European humanist never noted that his own country?s pusillanimity over the last decade was responsible for abetting Saddam?s reign of terror even as someone else?s audacity was for ending it.

I could go on, but you get the picture of this current madness. There is something terribly wrong, something terribly amoral with the Western intelligentsia, most prominently in academia, the media, and politics. We don?t need Osama bin Laden?s preschool jabbering about ?the weak horse? to be worried about the causes of this Western disease: thousands of the richest, most leisured people in the history of civilization have become self-absorbed, ungracious, and completely divorced from the natural world ? the age-old horrific realities of dearth, plague, hunger, rapine, or conquest.

Indeed, it is even worse than that: a Paul Krugman or French barrister neither knows anything of how life is lived beyond his artificial cocoon nor of the rather different men and women whose unacknowledged work in the shadows ensures his own bounty in such a pampered landscape ? toil that allows our anointed to rage at those purportedly culpable for allowing the world to function differently from an Ivy League lounge or the newsroom of the New York Times. Neither knows what it is like to be in a village gassed by Saddam Hussein or how hard it is to go across the world to Tikrit and chain such a monster.

Our Western intellectuals are sheltered orchids who are na?ve about the world beyond their upscale hothouses. The Western disease of deductive fury at everything the West does provides a sort of psychological relief (without costs) for apparent guilt over privileged circumstances. It is such a strange mixture of faux-populism and aristocratic snobbery. They believe only a blessed few such as themselves have the requisite education or breeding to understand the ?real? world of Western pathologies and its victims.

If we accept that our aristocratic Left mutters exactly the sort of nonsense described by a host of critics from Aristophanes to Juvenal to Tom Wolfe, then just as bizarre is the Muslim world?s reaction to capture of the murderer of more Muslims than any living Muslim in the Muslim world. On reports of Saddam?s demise the same networks that aired Western professors fretting about his rights were interviewing weeping women in Palestine, somber coffeehouses in Cairo, and pompous intellectuals in Lebanon. In lockstep concern they all bemoaned the ignominious circumstances of his capture: He was found in a hole! He was dirty! And an American medic inspected him like an infected deportee! Alas, he fired not a shot.

To sum up the Arab street: It appears to care not a whit that a native psychopath butchered hundreds of thousands of its own ? only that his anti-American braggadocio was revealed to be a sham to millions and that Americans of all people had to free Iraqis from such a menace. Honor and shame ? the stuff of tribal societies ? matter more than the lives of innocents. If a pundit from Paris was riled that Saddam was not yet advised by an international human-rights lawyer, the masses on the West Bank trumped that concern by lamenting that he had not even machine-gunned an American on his way out ? or indeed done anything to restore Arab tribal pride. Lost between the shared loony sympathies of the first-world elite and the third-world clan, between refined postmodern and uncouth premodern societies, was an iota of lamentation for the dead, those rotting and dried-out bones that appear in the thousands in desert sands outside Baghdad.

Both Western pontificators and the mob in the Middle East feed off each other. Paul Krugman would rarely write a column about how abjectly immoral it was that thousands mourned the death of a mass murderer when one can say worse things about an American president who chose not to use American dollars to hire French companies to rebuild Iraq. Bob Herbert can falsely rant about a Florida election ?rigged,? but seldom about an election never occurring in the Arab world.

The so-called Arab street and its phony intellectuals sense that influential progressive Westerners will never censure Middle Eastern felonies if there is a chance to rage about Western misdemeanors. It is precisely this parasitic relationship between the foreign and domestic critics of the West that explains much of the strange confidence of those who planned September 11. It was the genius of bin Laden, after all, that he suspected after he had incinerated 3,000 Westerners an elite would be more likely to blame itself for the calamity ? searching for ?root causes? than marshalling its legions to defeat a tribe that embraced theocracy, autocracy, gender apartheid, polygamy, anti-Semitism, and religious intolerance. And why not after Lebanon, the first World Trade Center bombing, the embassies in Africa, murder in Saudi Arabia, and the USS Cole? It was the folly of bin Laden only that he assumed the United States was as far gone as Europe and that a minority of its ashamed elites had completely assumed control of American political, cultural, and spiritual life.

Hatred of Israel is the most striking symptom of the Western disease. On the face of it the dilemma there is a no-brainer for any classic liberal: A consensual government is besieged by fanatical suicide killers who are subsidized and cheered on by many dictators in the Arab world. The bombers share the same barbaric methods as Chechens, the 9/11 murderers, al Qaedists in Turkey, and what we now see in Iraq.

Indeed, the liberal Europeans should love Israel, whose social and cultural institutions ? universities, the fine arts, concern for the ?other? ? so reflect its own. Gays are in the Israeli military, whose soldiers rarely salute, but usually address each other by their first names and accept a gender equity that any feminist would love. And while Arabs once may have been exterminated by Syrians, gassed in Yemen by Egypt, ethnically cleansed in Kuwait, lynched without trial in Palestine, burned alive in Saudi Arabia, inside Israel proper they vote and enjoy human rights not found elsewhere in the Arab Middle East.

When Europe frets over the ?Right of Return? do they mean the over half-million Jews who were sent running for their lives from Egypt, Syria, and Iraq? Or do they ever ask why a million Arabs live freely in Israel and another 100,000 illegally have entered the ?Zionist entity?? Does a European ever ask what would happen should thousands of Jews demand ?A Right of Return? to Cairo?

Instead, the elite Westerner talks about ?occupied lands? from which Israel has been attacked four times in the last 60 years ? in a manner that Germans do not talk about an occupied West they coughed up to France or an occupied East annexed by Poland. Russia lectures about Jenin, but rarely its grab of Japanese islands. Turkey is worried about the West Bank, but not its swallowing much of Cyprus. China weighs in about Palestinian sovereignty but not the entire culture of Tibet; some British aristocrats bemoan Sharon?s supposed land grab, but not Gibraltar.

All these foreign territories that were acquired through blood and iron and held on to by reasons of ?national security? are somehow different matters when Jews are not involved. Yet give Israel a population of 250 million, massive exports of oil and terrorists ? and wipe away anti-Semitism ? and even the Guardian or Le Monde would change its tune.

Perhaps the most pathetic example of this strange nexus between first- and third-world Western bashing was seen in mid-December on television. Just as the United States government declared a high alert, one could watch a replay of the Indian novelist Arundhati Roy trashing America to a captivated, near-gleeful audience in New York. Her dog-and-pony show was followed by pathetic pleading from her nervous interrogator, Howard Zinn, not to transfer her unabashed hatred of the Bush administration to the United States in general.

Mimicking the theatrics of American intellectuals ? Roy?s hands frequently gestured scare quotes ? she went from one smug denunciation to another to the applause of her crowd. Little was said about the crater a few blocks away, the social pathologies back home in India that send tens of thousands of its brightest to American shores, or Roy?s own aristocratic dress, ample jewelry, and studied accent. All the latter accoutrements and affectations illustrated the well-known game she plays of trashing globalization and corporatization as she jets around the Western world precisely through its largess ? all the while cashing in by serving up an elegant third-world victimization to guilt-ridden Westerners.

Is it weird that Western perks like tenure, jet-travel, media exposure, and affluence instill a hatred for the West, here and abroad? Or rather for a certain type of individual does such beneficence naturally explain the very pathology itself?

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Martial Arts Topics / Mindanao in a Nutshell
« on: December 31, 2003, 01:10:54 PM »
Philippine Brand of Islam Faces Foreign Influence
Tue Dec 30, 8:12 AM ET

By Manny Mogato

COTABATO City, Philippines (Reuters) - After 15 years, Amir Baraguir has
taken up smoking again.


He doesn't particularly enjoy it, but he likes the message of defiance it
sends to Muslim clerics on the southern Philippine island of Mindanao who
are trying to instill a much stricter version of Islam than he and many
others are used to. Baraguir's small protest is a sign of how the rise of a
more radical doctrine is dividing the country's Muslim homeland and tapping into deep discontent caused by poverty and decades of war between separatist rebels and government troops.


"Our unique culture is under serious threat," said Baraguir, whose family
belonged to a centuries-old sultanate system in the central Mindanao region of the mostly Roman Catholic country.


"We might wake up one day and find that the rigid foreign-influenced Islamic beliefs have replaced our own distinct cultural identity. We have to fight back and raise the local consciousness on the perils of a borrowed culture."

His ancestors were among the first Arab missionaries who introduced Islam to the Philippines in the 15th century. But times started changing in the late 1970s with the introduction of rigid Wahabi teachings brought to the southern Philippines by religious leaders trained in the Middle East. The newer ways have little room for the brand of Islam practiced by most of the nation's 8 million to 10 million Muslims or traditions such as the "pandita," the dwindling number of old village men who conduct
cradle-to-grave rituals.


STRICT VERSUS MODERATE


The younger generation of Muslim scholars and preachers, called "ustadz" and "ulama," is fast embracing the imported practices, especially after being given scholarships to Egypt, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

"Their numbers are growing rapidly," Baraguir said. "They have the
facilities and the money to recruit more missionaries and scholars, send
them to the Middle East for schooling and bring them back to influence more people to embrace their faith."

He said the Wahabi influence could be seen in the daily lives of many
Filipino Muslims who were being urged to give up habits such as smoking and drinking beer and were growing beards and attending Islamic schools called "madaris."

Islam in the Philippines is predominantly from the Shafi'ite Sunni school
with an influence of Sufism, a more mystical branch of the religion widely
practiced in Southeast Asia, where close to 300 million Muslims live.

Sidney Jones, the Southeast Asia director for International Crisis Group
think-tank, said the influence of Wahabism was not a new phenomenon.

"It's been around for some time in some places in Southeast Asia because of money available to scholars going to Saudi Arabia and teachers brought to the region," she told Reuters.

Zamzamin Ampatuan, executive director of the government's Office of Muslim Affairs, said the rise of stricter Sunni Islam from Arab countries dated back to 1979 when Iranian Shi'ite students seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran. Ampatuan said the Sunnis mounted an unprecedented Islamic revival campaign by recruiting, training and sending missionaries and even helping the Afghans drive out the Soviet forces.  Poverty was another factor behind the increase of Wahabi influence, he said.

BREEDING GROUND FOR MILITANTS?

Thousands of the Filipino contract workers who have gone to the Middle East since the 1970s have returned as converts, many showing more dedication than those born as Muslims at home.   They build rural clinics, mosques and Islamic schools and influence the community to embrace their brand of Islam.

Ampatuan said there were now at least 3,000 Islamic schools in Mindanao and some government officials believe they could be becoming the recruitment ground for militants.  But Izaldin Macamimis, a senior accountancy student at the Catholic-run Notre Dame University, denied that the schools were molding radicals.

"It's only black propaganda to destroy Islam," he said.

Ampatuan also said the schools were not breeding grounds for militants. "But they serve as a social network for extremism," he said, "And extremism tolerates terrorism."

Citing the secular background of al Qaeda operatives behind the Sept. 11,
2001, attacks on the United States, Ampatuan said universities -- where
students can experiment with ideas -- could be the development area for
militants.

WAR OF BELIEFS

But Baraguir said the Indonesians behind the Bali bomb attacks last year
were products of an Islamic school run by a radical preacher. He and several others in Cotabato City have taken up the cause of trying to check the inroads of Middle East-inspired Islamic beliefs.

"We are undaunted by these threats," Baraguir said as he opened another pack of cigarettes. "This is our culture, our tradition. We will defend it with our lives."

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Martial Arts Topics / DBMA in BUDO Magazine
« on: December 30, 2003, 11:10:40 PM »
How about "Legal Beagle"?  :lol:

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Martial Arts Topics / DBMA in BUDO Magazine
« on: December 30, 2003, 04:06:22 PM »
Woof C-DB Russ:

  I just saw that too and will be looking for it at the newstand on the way to training at the Inosanto Academy tonight-- Budo has been kind of slow about getting things to me-- I just got my copies of the second video I did for them that have been out for many months now. :roll:

Woof,
Guro C.
PS:  What is your C-DB name again?

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Martial Arts Topics / A Prayer
« on: December 30, 2003, 02:26:23 PM »
Heavenly Father, help us remember that the jerk who cut us off in traffic
last night is a single mother who worked nine hours that day and is rushing home to cook dinner, help with homework, do the laundry and spend a few precious moments with her children.

Help us to remember that the pierced, tattooed, disinterested young man
who can't make change correctly is a worried 19-year-old college student,
balancing his apprehension over final exams with his fear of not getting
his student loans for next semester.

Remind us, Lord, that the scary-looking bum, begging for money in the
same spot every day is a slave to addictions that we can only imagine
in our worst nightmares.

Help us to remember that the old couple walking annoyingly slow through the store aisles and blocking our shopping progress are savoring this moment, knowing that, based on the biopsy report she got back last week, this will be the last year that they go shopping together.

Heavenly Father, remind us each day that, of all the gifts you give us, the
greatest gift is love. It is not enough to share that love with those we
hold dear. Open our hearts not to just those who are close to us, but to
all humanity. Let us be slow to judge and quick to forgive, show patience,
empathy and love.

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Martial Arts Topics / Rattan Sticks
« on: December 30, 2003, 08:25:32 AM »
Woof S:

PAL is the European standard for video.  NTSC is the American.  PAL is 25 frames a second (I think I have this right) and NTSC is 30.   In this, more is better-- more data in a given amount of time.  In other words NTSC has somewhat higher fidelity than PAL.  Most VCRs play only one or the other, but with the eternal progress of technology I have heard that some people in Europe are now starting to buy VCRs that play both.

When you see PAL what you see is that we are telling people who live in Europe and other parts of the world that use PAL that we offer the system that their VCRs play.

If you live in the US, do NOT click on the PAL selection when you order!

HTH,
Crafty Dog

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Martial Arts Topics / mexico seminar
« on: December 29, 2003, 05:44:19 AM »
Woof Ed:

With any luck, in addition to the usual stuff, I will be bringing copies of our soon-to-be-released new DVD.  

As yet unnamed, it will be nothing but lots of action, action, action and will be aimed at the general market.

Looking forward to seeing you there.  How's your training going?

Woof,
Crafty Dog

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Martial Arts Topics / dogbrothers on pay per view!
« on: December 29, 2003, 05:32:14 AM »
Woof DF:

  What a memory you have!  As was reported not too long after this started getting off the ground, this event never came off.  

  FWIW I have considerable trepidation about taking stickfighting into this kind of venue.  In this context it would be very easy for someone to get killed or lastingly damaged.  I entertained our participation in this event only because I was granted complete control.

Woof,
Crafty Dog

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Martial Arts Topics / Australia's Nationwide Firearm Ban
« on: December 29, 2003, 05:27:35 AM »
Woof Tim:

Sorry for the delay in reply-- please email Cindy at Prettykitty@dogbrothers.com concerning any problems getting in to the Members Forum.

And as for the subject of your post, thank you for this excellent example of the importance and concequences of these matters.

Woof,
Crafty Dog

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Martial Arts Topics / Walking Sticks for Self Defense
« on: December 29, 2003, 05:17:42 AM »
Woof Lance:

  An excellent question and your basic thought is most sound.    

I would start with this: Pick up different possibilities and whack some things with them.  Many/most walking sticks advertised as such seek to be as light as possible-- which can be counter productive when it comes to cracking attackers in the head.  Consider too the matter of resiliency.  Does the material crack or shatter on hard contact with hard things?

A long stick/short staff/long staff can be a superb weapon-- if you can handle it well.  As far as your fighting skills go, I would suggest a combination of thrusting, rapping and power swing combinations integrated with 360 degree footwork.  Develop your skills with it, use the training to develop your strength and fitness.  From the sounds of things you are going to be quite off the beaten track.  Be aware also the potential of your stick as a highly useful tool in exercises/stretches to put your body right as you travel.  GM Myung Gyi of the Bando system has some superb material in this respect.  Unfortunately this material has not yet been released in video.

HTH,
Crafty Dog

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Martial Arts Topics / Rattan Sticks
« on: December 28, 2003, 05:10:55 AM »
Woof Daniel:

  Sorry for the delay in my reply-- holidays and all that.

  Doug Pandorf?  You certainly do go back a ways!  Eric and I met Doug when we brought Rigan Machado along for a seminar.  I remember him as having a pretty girlfriend who heartily disapproved of us-- can't imagine why :wink:

  As for the sticks, starting this January we will be having our own line of fighting gear including sticks-- Pappy Dog of KIL will be part of the effort.  Stay tuned here for details.

  As for training with our videos:  The Real Contact Stickfighting series is mostly about solo training, whereas the second series is principally about two-man training.   Always training alone is tough for most people, is there no one you could lure into training?  One of the benefits of the "metronome training" of DBMA#3 "Combining Stick and Footwork" is that it does not require a great level of skill from the feeder.   Likewise, DBMA#5, "Krabi Krabong" allows for persons of less experience to get involved in short order.

  What is Turkey like?

Woof,
Crafty Dog

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Martial Arts Topics / Mindanao in a Nutshell
« on: December 27, 2003, 12:19:09 AM »
Woof All:

I wrote:  

1) If I understand correctly, the post criticizes the US for allowing the Muslims to follow their religion/culture when we colonialized the Philippines-- thus leaving them backward (Please note I am paraphrasing here!) I am left with the distinct impression that we also would have been criticized if we had sought to repress/replace their religion culture-- a proverbial "Catch 22". ,  , , "

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"underdog" (NOT the Underdog of the Dog Brothers folks!) responded:

"The point was that the US during that time period had an "imperialistic" motive. It really does not matter whether the US at that time cared about allowing the culture to thrive or not. What it was pointing out was that the US being an imperialistic country at time time would use whatever it can to justify its claims and reap its benefits as a colonial master. It was just pointing out that culture was being used as a tool to keep the chaos happening to justify all the budget that they needed to stay in Mindanao.

"Forget about the proverbial Catch 22. The US was there before as a colonial ruler like Spain to reap the Whatever their means was, their intentions were for their own good and not for the welfare of the ruled people."

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I respond:

I know what the point was, and have no problem acknowledging substantial imperialist motives on the part of the US.  My ONLY point was that the particular point with which I quibbled was a Catch 22.

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I wrote:

2) The post also states "The U.S. is now in a rampage to kill anyone Muslim". Forgive me, but this strikes me as glib, trite, and demonstrably untrue-- unless Islamic Fascism is considered to represent the Muslim world.

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Timothy Hardcastle responded:

, , ,  allow me to answer the second:

"I think if taken literally, then you are right it is "glib, trite, and untrue". But if you put yourself in the shoes of Muslims, I think you'd also say the same phrase. I think especially right after Sept 11, when there was an obvious attack by the public at large against those they perceived as Middle Eastern and Muslim. If you boarded a plane, with Muslim garb, you'll feel the distrust and hatred pointed at you.

"So, I believe what the writer was trying to convey was the above sentiments, prejudice, stereotypical American reactions; and not so much our state's policy (but then again you could also argue against this)."
 
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I respond:

I think it important to respond to what people actually say, and what was said WAS "glib, trite and untrue".    And in that spirit when you say "especially after 911 when there was an obvious attack by the public at large against those perceived as Middle Eastern and Muslim." again I disagree.

First, before 911 the US played a major role in preventing a genocide against Muslims in the former Yugoslavia.

Second, post 911-- apart from isolated incidents which were condemned from the President on down, what attack?  Suspicion on airplanes is not an attack.  Attack and suspicion have quite different meanings and in these times such sloppiness is counterproductive.  An attack would be what happened to WSJ reporter Daniel Pearl in Pakistan for being Jewish.

Suspicion on the other hand is an emminently understandable human reaction-- not only to the nationality and religion of the killers of 911, but also to mass reactions throughout the Arab world to the events of 911 as well as some fairly tepid condemnations here in the US from some in the American Muslim community.  It is also a natural response to strong Muslim teachings of unity-- what do these teachings imply when a Muslim sees a fellow Muslim seeks to kill infidels in the name of Allah?  Does he save "the infidels" or is he do nothing out of "loyalty" to his co-relogionist even as he disagrees with his tactics?

But to say that "the US is now on a rampage to kill anyone Muslim" because there is suspicion is simply a slanderous lie.  IT JUST IS NOT TRUE.

We are in a war with Islamic Fascists such as Al Qaeda and those who come to kill our innocent.   Our nation has chosen to do this by seeking to deny sanctuary to these killers where ever they may be.  

Obviously there is disagreement about whether this is correct or not, but to say that this means we seek to "kill the Muslims" is twaddle.  Unlike Saudi Arabia and many other Muslim lands wherein death results from preaching other religions, here in the US the preaching of ALL religions is not only fundamental to the Constitution, the Supreme Law of this one nation under God, it is also an indelible part of our culture.

Please excuse my plain speech, no flaming intended.
 
Woof,
Crafty Dog

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Martial Arts Topics / Mindanao in a Nutshell
« on: December 24, 2003, 10:43:48 PM »
Isug et al:

  That was an interesting read-- if I am not mistaken, it was also included in a thread nearby.  

  Two questions/comments though:

1) If I understand correctly, the post criticizes the US for allowing the Muslims to follow their religion/culture when we colonialized the Philippines-- thus leaving them backward (Please note I am paraphrasing here!)   I am left with the distinct impression that we also would have been criticized if we had sought to repress/replace their religion culture-- a proverbial "Catch 22".  

Also, is not the implication of the argument that their religion/culture somehow "less" than the American/Christian culture/religion?

2)  The post also states "The U.S. is now in a rampage to kill anyone Muslim".  Forgive me, but this strikes me as glib, trite, and demonstrably untrue-- unless Islamic Fascism is considered to represent the Muslim world.

Nevertheless, an interesting post and thank you for sharing it.

Woof,
Crafty Dog

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Woof All:

  It is getting a bit confusing with so many people signing simply as "guest".  I'd like to ask everyone to either use his real name or at least to choose ONE "nomme du keyboard".

Muchas gracias,
Crafty Dog

PS: Glad to see a mutually respectful tone starting to take root on this.

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Martial Arts Topics / the last samurai!
« on: December 15, 2003, 11:45:11 AM »
Woof Dave/Spad/TFS:


"Was the Tosa actually created after the Japanese saw how Pit Bulls savaged the local fighting dogs? I've read this before, but the source was unreliable, so I'm looking for clarification there."


David, I have no specific knowledge from which to answer your question.  My sense of it however is that this may be a bit of barking.  If one looks at WHEN each of these breeds was developed, is this possible?

Per the strange and interesting book on the development of the Pit Bull Terrier called "The Dogs of Capitalism", the pit bull was a blend of terriers (i.e. ratters) and bull dogs-- a seize-and-hold development of the badger dogs (designed to drag badgers out of their holes which were often part of rabbit warrens so that other dogs could be sent down after the rabbits)

Rats and rabbits were serious threats to human food supply in medieval England.

As humans moved to the cities with the Industrial Revolution, the mastiffs used by the gentry on their estates for protection were impractical in the close quarters of the city-- especially by the working classes who couldn't afford to feed the mastiffs.  

Out of these circumstances arose the need for the Pit.

  Terriers, with a joy of killing unrelated to hunting, cultivated and selected through rat killing contests (throw one dog and 100 rats in a pit and time how long to kill the rats) There was much gambling and the winning dog got to breed a lot.

  The Bull dogs, often cultivated and selected through "bear baiting" contests to develop an unnaturally game dog to seize cattle as part of enabling their slaughter, were crossed with the best ratters and put to dog fighting.  The dog resulting from this process of unnatural selection was the pit bull-- unusually game, and wired differently from most other breeds (e.g. including the ratters instinct to kill for fun, not to feed self)

If I have it right, (informed parties please correct) the Akita and the Thosa were being developed in approximately the same time frame, due to indigenous circumstances of Japan.  Like the Pit Bull, the Akita was developed as a guard dog (watch dogs bark for help, guard dogs act) and a hunting dog. Whereas the Pit was a ratting terrier, the Akita was used for hunting bear and boar.

Given that the Thosa is a mastiff, and mastiffs have ALWAYS been war dogs (e.g. the Molossan Mastiff of the times of Alexander the Great. the mastiffs on the English estates that preceded the development of the Pit) and guard dogs, how could the Thosa, a fighting dog that was crossed with the pre-Akitas (c.f. the Karelian, a Russian bear dog that looks much like an Akita but for the influence of the heavy bones of the Thosa mastiff) be said to be a response to the process-in-work of the Pit Bull?  How would the Japanese prior to the Mejii Reformation even have known of the Pit Bull let alone had a chance to test the two?

Just winging it.  HTH.
Crafty Dog

PS:  I have very high regard for the capabilities of the Pit, but there is also the matter of the plausibility of a Pit kicking a Thosa's ass.  Pits in the years in question were much smaller than the Pits of today (under 50lbs?) and Thosas go 150 lbs plus.    Pits kick ass on non-fighting dogs in part through their emotional comfort with fighting in a non-hierarchical manner (i.e. will to kill descending from the ratter) whereas most dogs fight for hierarchy (loser not killed).  Would this apply with a Thosa?

My first Akita, Zapata (the one in our logo) was quite formidable.

For the record, knowing this arose not from my putting him to the test, but from other dogs coming over to him while he was on the leash. (He had a walk that was a provocative challenge to other dogs)  His three basic attacks were:
 
1) to swallow the other dogs muzzle
2) to pin by the throat
3) and as a result of a fight with a fight-collared Rott, to knock to the ground and grab the penis.  This subsequently became his favorite.

He never fought a Pit, but on various occasions some of the Pits we passed would look away-- and many did not.  Those that looked back never dissed him, nor he them.  The one time the Pit was off-leash was at night on the Greenbelt in Hermosa Beach (a running path popular with dog owners too)  when a large intact male pit completely devoid of human owner came over with a walk that spelled serious trouble.  Zapata exhaled once, pawed a rear leg on the ground and lowered his head (this is as much as he ever did a prelude to a fight) and the Pit changed his mind and walked away about 30 feet, gave one howl and both he and Zapata then simultaneously peed on the bush nearest to each.  The Pit  then trotted off.

The point is NOT NOT NOT which breed can kick which breeds ass, but that the idea that Pits would so overwhelm Thosas (and as noted, how could this even have occurred?) strikes me as implausible.  Zapata was 112, and Thosas go 150-170-- remember the Pit at the time of the story you mention was under 50 (the Akita typically up to 105 at the time of arrival in the US)  I know, I know, its not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog, but my understanding is that the Thosa is a serious fighting dog in its own right.  Certainly the Akita can be.

Woof,
Crafty Dog

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A most reasonable statement of your position.

Just to clarify one point though-- only some users of the term Kali are asserting "lost ancient mother art" and others (I would consider myself in this camp) simply are of the opinion that the term has historic validity.

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Woof OFS:

ROTFLMAO!

What dialect(s) is this saying from?  And, how does it go that dialect?

Yip!
Crafty Dog

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Martial Arts Topics / the last samurai!
« on: December 08, 2003, 11:47:49 AM »
Trivia:

Much of the development of the Akita took place during the 200 years prior to the Mejii Reformation when the Samurai used Akitas and Tosa Mastiffs dogfights for inspiration in the ways of fighting spirit.

Crafty Dog

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Martial Arts Topics / Weird and/or silly
« on: December 04, 2003, 12:00:40 PM »
Cannibal Confesses in Shocking Trial
Wed Dec 3, 3:06 PM ET  Add World - Reuters to My Yahoo!
 

By David Crossland

KASSEL, Germany (Reuters) - A German confessed on Wednesday to killing and eating a willing victim in a case that could make legal history, telling a shocked courtroom the experience was "like taking communion" in a religious service.


At the start of his murder trial in Kassel, central Germany, Armin Meiwes, 42, offered a full account of the killing that has gained him worldwide notoriety as "The Cannibal of Rotenburg" after the town where he lived.


Meiwes said there were "hundreds, thousands" of people seeking to fulfil their desires to eat humans or be eaten via Internet advertisements in forums called "Cannibal Cafe," "Guy Cannibals" and "Torturenet."


In testimony so frank it drew gasps from the public gallery, Meiwes said he had kept his victim's skull and plastic bags of flesh in his freezer. He ate about 44 pounds of the flesh, defrosting it bit by bit.


"With every piece of flesh I ate I remembered him," Meiwes, a self-assured and well-spoken computer repair man, told the judge. "It was like taking communion."


The killing took place in March 2001. Meiwes was arrested in December 2002 after police received a tip-off from someone who had seen one of his Internet adverts seeking a slaughter victim.


The trial is expected to last until the end of January and some 40 witnesses will be called, including some of Meiwes's Internet contacts.


The gaunt, bespectacled defendant said that during his upbringing alone with a dominant mother he had longed for a little brother he could make "part of me."


He told how he made contact online with a 43-year-old Berlin computer specialist identified only as Bernd-Juergen B.


He invited him to his elegant half-timbered home near Kassel and killed him with a kitchen knife in a "slaughtering room" he had built containing meat hooks, a cage and a butcher's table.


"He told me he had had the desire since he was a child to be slaughtered and eaten," Meiwes said. "He was very intelligent and I didn't see any sign that he was disturbed." Meiwes filmed the killing and the video tape may be shown to the court.


Defense lawyers have said the film shows Meiwes cutting off the victim's penis at the latter's request.


"It was important to him that his member be cut off and that he witness it," Meiwes said.


"He screamed terribly and jumped around the table but after a while he said he was surprised it didn't hurt and was very pleased that the wound bled so strongly," he added.


"It gave him pleasure."


MURDER OR EUTHANASIA?


Eventually the victim lost consciousness and Meiwes killed him with a knife. He hung up the corpse and cut it up, filming the process.

   



Prosecutors, who charged Meiwes with murder after a psychiatrist declared him fit to stand trial, are seeking a life sentence.

They concede the victim wanted to be killed but argue he was incapable of rational thought.

Meiwes's lawyer has pleaded for him to be convicted of "killing on request," a form of illegal euthanasia which carries a maximum five years sentence.

Legal experts say the charge of full murder may not stick given that the video film shows the victim to be willing. The case could reach the Federal Constitutional Court, Arthur Kreuzer of Giessen University's Institute for Criminology said this week.

Meiwes said he became obsessed with wanting a younger brother -- "someone to be part of me."

Using the pseudonym "Franky," he posted Internet ads saying: "If you are 18-25 you are my boy" or "Come to me I'll eat your delicious flesh."

Some 430 people responded to his e-mails within a year.

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Martial Arts Topics / Weird and/or silly
« on: December 04, 2003, 11:57:58 AM »
Man Burns Life Savings, Fails Suicide Bid
Tue December 2, 2003 10:31 AM ET

PARIS (Reuters) - A Frenchman who burned his life savings to a cinder before swallowing two bottles of pills is facing life with an empty bank account after neighbors foiled his suicide attempt.

The man, in his 40s, has been recovering in a psychiatric hospital since late October when neighbors in the southwestern town of Bordeaux saw smoke coming from his house and called the emergency services, the daily Liberation reported on Tuesday.

The man, who lived alone, had cleared out his bank balance of 240,000 euros ($288,500) and set fire to the pile of 500 euro notes in his bath before swallowing the pills, hoping to leave nothing behind after his death.

However, he was now eager to start a new life, his lawyer Dominique Remy told the newspaper. "He is not dangerous. It's just that he's destroyed all his worth," he said.

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Martial Arts Topics / South Pacific arts
« on: December 04, 2003, 09:43:09 AM »
Woof Haumana2000:

Perhaps a bit of a tangent to the main subject of the thread, but would you be so kind as to flesh out the following comment of yours?

"Now in the Filipino mindset a method does can either mean an entire stand alone or a "style" which reflects a principle e.e banda y banda or crossada, or the like."

TIA,
Crafty

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Martial Arts Topics / South Pacific arts
« on: December 03, 2003, 12:23:29 PM »
Tangential Response to "Guest":

Guest wrote:

"there are some groups of scholars who are now considering the link of the Philippines to polynesia. the theory is that the wave of migration did not all come from malaysia and indonesia into the Philippines. but instead, it is hypothesized that most Filipinos are descendants of migrating polynesians."

As always I begin by underlining my lack of scholarly inclination and aptitude in these matters.  That said, I never understood the wave theory to posit that ALL of the migration came from Malaysia and Indonesia.  Fair enough to disagree with the wave theory, but it should be described accurately.

As for the hypothesis of "some groupls of scholars" that "most Filipinos are descendents of migrating polynesians"-- this is a new one to me.  I confess the idea that people the size of Filipinos descended from Samoans strikes me as a bit implausible, so perhaps there is something I am missing and would be glad to know what it is.

"I have checked a website showing the close similarities of Filipino dialect words to polynesian dialects. henceforth, the "majapahit martial arts" theory which is based on the story of migration of datus and sultans from indonesia and malaysia could be soon debunked."

Lacking utterly in any foundation in any of the multitude of Filipino languages/dialects, let alone Polynesian I cannot comment on this theory, but perhaps 'Guest' can share the URL for the website he mentions so that the scholarly who come to play here on our Forum may expand their knowledge.

That said, once again I find the idea of Majapahit Martial Arts being presented differently from my understanding of it.  I understood the story about the datus migrating to the Philippines being given to explain the root of certain martial arts, NOT as THE explanation of the origins of the peoples of the Philippines.   That said, May I assume that we all agree that the Majapahit Empire did exist?  And if it existed, it is hard to imagine that it did so in the complete absence of mingling within its territories.

Returning to the martial art notion of the Majapahit Empire, as I understand it is that even today the martial arts from those parts of the world which were once part of the Majapahit Empire have common thread with each other which makes them propitious for fruitful blendings-- a JKDC notion which, by the way, leads to the DBMA self-descriptive phrase of "Smuggling Concepts across the Frontiers of Style"
(c)

"this is good news as it gives Filipinos a better sense of national identity rather being "grouped" by some martial artists into a "majapahit" society."

Guest, I think in part you misapprehend the notion of the Majapahit Empire as used by Guro Inosanto, GT Gaje and others-- or perhaps I misinterpret what you mean by "a better sense of national identity"-- is it still a migratory matter for you?

Guest, you read like one of the anonymous participants in other threads nearby.  If you wish to make your case, by all means do so.  But perhaps it is time for you to share your sources and put your name to your claims and thoughts?

Woof,
Crafty Dog

PS: Sorry to interrupt the flow on Fijian matters.   Please carry on.

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Martial Arts Topics / Battle of grand masters
« on: December 01, 2003, 02:54:51 PM »
Woof Mr. Guest:

With regard to Silat my principal source is Guro Inosanto.  As you may or may not know, Guro I. is well trained in several Silat systems.  Some are Indonesian, some Malaysian and some Filipino (e.g. the LaCoste system includes Silat).  I also was a member of Pendekar Paul de Thouars Bukti Negara Pentjak Silat class (an Indonesian silat) in the late 1980s at the Inosanto Academy on Glencoe Avenue.

My understanding of Guro I's teaching in this regard  :? is that due to the island archipelago geography of the region national boundaries tend to exist more on the map than in reality and that the frontiers of style are similarly murky-- especially by the time that they get to the US.

What I am getting around to saying is that I am the wrong man to ask for delineating lineage despite my teacher's best and ongoing efforts.  What I know is that I am Inosanto Blend.  Whether the particular ideas and techniques I draw upon are specifically Filipino or Indonesian or Malaysian I cannot say with any degree of confidence in my accuracy, unless it is the Indonesian system of Bukti Negara because that class did not blend with other systems.

With those timid caveats in place  :?  I would say that principally my silat is Inosanto Blend (which certainly includes LaCoste, which certainly is Filipino) with a goodly dose of Bukti Negara subsequently modified by Serak.  Occasionally bits of Mande Muda (Indonesian) make their appearance too.

I hope this helps even though I am not sure why you would ask-- unless it is for the pleasure of watching me squirm trying to chart these dangerous waters  :wink:

Woof,
Crafty Dog

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Martial Arts Topics / An Army of 1 --and 1 in the oven
« on: November 30, 2003, 05:37:17 PM »
Woof All:

The other day in the nearby thread "Profound Howl of Respect" one of our fighting men (TXAbrn) commented the following:

BEGIN
As a paratrooper deployed currently in Iraq I can say that myself and all of my comrades with whom I have discussed this find the whole Jessica L$ynch situation obscene. She behaved in a cowardly manner during the fight and was captured. What happened to her was unfortunate and I empathize with her. However after her very publicized rescue and following book and movie deals as well as bronze star and medical discharge she expressed anger at the filming of her rescue. We find this hypocritical as she is more than willing to reap the benefits of that publicity. Were it not for the filiming of her rescue she would be just another soldier with a POW medal.
END


Coincidentally enough, I happened to be reading a bit of Carl Jung's "Man and his Symbols" (1959?) today (a section titled "Beauty and the Beast) and ran across the following passage which struck me as perhaps relevant:

Woof,
Crafty Dog
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BEGIN
"Beauty and the Beast" from "Man and his Symbols" by Carl Jung (1959?)

Girls in our society share in the masculine hero myths because, like boys, they must also develop a reliable ego-identity and acquire an education.  But there is an older layer of the mind that seems to come to the surface in their feelings, with the aim of making them into women, not into imitation men.  When this ancient content of the psyche begins to make its appearance, the modern young woman may repress it because it threatens to cut off her from the emancipated quality of friendship and opportunity to compete with men that have become her modern privileges.

  This repression may be so successful that for a time she will maintain an indentification with the masculine intellectuual goals she learned at school or college.  Even when she marries, whe will preserve some illusion of freedom, despite her ostenisible act of sumission to the archetype of marriage-- with its implicit injuction to become a mother.  And so there may occur, as we very frequently see today, that conflict which the in the end forces the woman to rediscover her buried womanhood in a painful (but ulitmately rewarding) manner.
END

7188
Martial Arts Topics / Has anyone here studied kendo?
« on: November 26, 2003, 12:35:55 PM »
Woof David:

  Tail wags for the kind words, but may I request a slight change in terminology?  "That band of sweaty, smelly psychopaths with sticks" known as "The Dog Brothers" is not the same thing as that "system of many styles dedicated to smuggling concepts across the frontiers of style" which is known as "Dog Brothers Martial Arts".  

The concepts to which you refer are part of DBMA.  

TIA,
Guro Crafty

7189
Martial Arts Topics / Did Filipino Martial Arts Revolutionize Boxing?
« on: November 20, 2003, 03:39:45 PM »
Woof David/Spad/TFS et al:

  With the Gathering coming up in a few days I have no time for a proper reply at this point.

  Krishna Godhania emailed me to say that he found the thread interesting but family matters and his upcoming hosting of Tuhon Chris Sayoc distract him at present from replying but that he will do so when the dust settles.  I look forward to seeing what he has to say.

Crafty

7190
Martial Arts Topics / UFC Friday night
« on: November 20, 2003, 01:55:49 PM »
Woof All:

  Frank Trigg of RAW Gym goes for the belt tomorrow night against Matt Hughes.  MH is very well regarded, but FT brings a lot to the party too.  Go Frank!

 Any comments/predictions on any of the fights?

yip,
Crafty Dog

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John Brown Jr
Steven Feng

7192
Martial Arts Topics / Best online store for escrimas?
« on: November 20, 2003, 09:24:06 AM »
A gift from Grand Tuhon Gaje when I stayed with him in Bacolod.

7193
Martial Arts Topics / Battle of grand masters
« on: November 19, 2003, 08:36:20 PM »
Woof Cypher:

You are right, many do feel as you say-- many, but not all.

A story:  Grandmaster Atillo of Balintawak tells the story of his famous match with Grandmaster Cacoy Canete of Doce Pares.   He will show the letter signed by both of them agreeing to the rules-- one of which was "No Grappling".  

If grappling does not/can not happen in the absence of headgear, why was this rule necessary?  Why was it insisted upon by GM Atillo?  Could it be that GM CC, whose system "Eskrido" is a blend of ESKRIma and JuDO?

Then, in telling the story he will show you the picture from the paper the next day showing CC holding him in a headlock and say "You see! He cheated!"

If the particular traditionalists you reference are right, how can this be?

I'm not going to use terms like Arnis, Eskrima, Kali, Silat, or Kali-silat  :twisted:  but what of all the various FMA systems with grappling, both in the presence of weapons and not?

If grappling does not happen in the presence of weapons, what about the clinch material in the MILITARY system of old Thailand?  Or in Burma's Bando?  What about the various Silats? -- are none of these from the Philippines, or is the argument that the FMA lack what these systems have?  :twisted:

Speaking from my own experience against many opponents I can pretty consistently enter with my head untouched-- and so can many of the people I have taught.  This can be seen in DBMA #4 Attacking Blocks and more in the to-be-released "Stickgrappling-Clinch"

Yes, this skill was developed in part by surviving mistakes thanks to headgear.  And yes, many of the people who fight at our Gatherings exploit headgear to create grappling-- often because they lack adequate stick skills.  And yes, shooting low is pretty unsound as a general rule in a stick fight.

But still the assertion based upon experience remains:  Grappling can be consistently created in a way that does not rely upon protective gear.  

In DMBA our clinch material is a blend principally of Inosanto Blend (FMA) Krabi Krabong (Thai) Bando (Burma) Silat (various, including Philippines) BJJ (Brazil) and wrestling (America).

On the ground it is a blend of Inosanto, Bando, and BJJ.

Just because emotions behind the printed word can readily be misunderstood, please allow to plainly state that all the forgoing is said in cheery, friendly spirit.

Woof,
Crafty Dog

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True Dog
Pappy Dog
Island Dog
Iron Dog
C-Porn Star
C-War Dog
C-Junkyard Dog
"Dog Russ" Iger
"Dog Bryan" Lorentzen
"Dog Carlo" Arellano
"Dog Milt" Tinkoff
"Dog Rich" Raphael
"Dog Dennis" Hall
Alex Gonzalez
Corey Davis
Meynard Ancheta
Miguel Decoste
William Cannon
Jeff Frater
Derek Walker
Joseph Gan
Chris Sangalang
Marc Scott

7195
Martial Arts Topics / injurys
« on: November 18, 2003, 04:57:33 PM »
Woof Bobi:

(with an assist on the English)

"but I don't know..... I have plenty of respect for fights like at the
Gatherings. I think now at the moment I have too little guts
for that, but I'm surprised that at the Gatherings serious injuries don't occur more than they seem to-- .... broken arms -for example. or even bigger bones being broken? or bunios (?) to the head? Is the head hard enough to absorb blows like this?

"I know most of the fighters hit not in all situations with full
intention. Surely if they are more advanced (or not?  ??!!)"

This is an inherently grey area.  You are right-- it IS surprising that we do not have serious injuries more often than we do.  This can be due to the skill of the fighters or the lack of skill of the fighters  :D  

That said the intention to hit hard and well is there-- until someone cannot defend themselves.  

And we do have serious injuries.  For example, as I mentioned in my report on the last Gathering, we estimate out of 24 fighters, 6 had concussions.  In my opinion this is too many by far and there is a need for certain people to clean up their head defense.  

In my opinion, with the newer fencing HELMETS, as versus the older fencing MASKS, some people tend to get reckless with their heads and then pay a price when struck where the helmet does not protect well whereas we of the first wave came up in masks and ALWAYS feared the head shot and hence tended to have good head protection skills.

So what serious injuries have we had?

In addition to broken hands, wrists, stick bruises and the like, we have had the concussions, a perforated ear drum, joint damage from grappling holds, dislocated shoulders, a split knee cap, broken ribs, a split ear, a cracked skull (discussed by its recipient in the opening of one of the DBMA videos) and so forth.  

Given the number of fights that we have had over the years, I think our track record in this regard is excellent and a testament to the integrity with which people respect the code of "friends at the end of the day".  That said, it is a fight.  Stickfighting is dangerous and injuries will happen.

Does this help?

Woof,
Crafty Dog

PS:  With your training with Guro Lonely Dog you should be very well prepared should you decide to give it a go.

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Martial Arts Topics / Old Thai Arts
« on: November 18, 2003, 04:32:04 PM »
Woof Vinnie:

Great post!  We are always glad to hear from you.

Marc/Crafty
===================

Marco comments:

BEGIN QUOTE

"On the other matter, of course you can use parts of our letters to put them in your site, I will be honored to appear in it. , , , I read with great interest the topics on your site and I am very happy to know that interest is growing for traditional Thai fighting, both with and without weapons.

The good thing is the forthcoming establishment  of the official thai websites of both AITMA and  the Kru Muay Thai Association so that all the information about teachers and techniques can be checked and verified.

, , , luckily I checked with Pimu's wife and  he is alive and well in London at the moment. Bad info , , ,

By the way, I saw in the long article appearing in the topic, that Dr. Songhai was mentioned; it is good because he was one of the members of the ad hoc technical committee created by the Office of Culture Commission that gave birth to what we practise today with the name of Muay Boran.

The 7 members of the committee actually collected the best fighting principles and techniques from various "regional styles" (Muay Korat, Muay Lopburi, Muay Chaya, Muay Pranakorn, Muay Luang etc.) and "thematic styles" (such as Hanuman techniques) of which everyone of them was an expert and they organised all the information according to the theory and system of the head of the above mentioned Commission, Prof. Phaosawat Saengsawan (that by the way is one of my teachers and technical supervisor of IMBA, our Muay Boran Academy).

All those info have then been furtherly actualised by the joint work of
Arjan Chinawooth Sirisompan (my teacher since 1991) and myself, to finally obtain the "product" we today call Muay Boran: ancient techniques and strategies actualised through modern professional Muay Thai training
methodology, the one we used (together with my first master, Pimu, a famous trainer of Muay Thai campions) to forge ring warriors (among them 7 world champions).

As you know well, theories and techniques must be always put to the "contact" test to prove valid.

I hope you will find the above information of any interest.

END QUOTE

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Woof All:

"Is everybody in? The ceremony is about to begin." Jim Morrison

Registered fighters so far:

True Dog
Pappy Dog
Island Dog
Iron Dog
C-Porn Star
C-War Dog
C-Junkyard Dog
"Dog Russ" Iger
"Dog Bryan" Lorentzen
"Dog Carlo" Arellano
"Dog Milt" Tinkoff
"Dog Rich" Raphael
Alex Gonzalez
Corey Davis
Meynard Ancheta
Miguel Decoste
William Cannon
Jeff Frater
Derek Walker

"Higher Consciousness through Harder Contact!"(c)
Crafty Dog

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Martial Arts Topics / Did Filipino Martial Arts Revolutionize Boxing?
« on: November 17, 2003, 10:06:02 AM »
Woof Spad et al:

  Thanks for the rejoinder and fleshing out the English structure.

  That said, I'd like to contribute a few points for consideration:

  As a preliminary matter, I note that this article is several years old.  Not only is Lucky Lucay dead, so is his son Ted far too soon.  Ted was the first man to become Full Instructor under Guro Inosanto (I may not be stating this exactly right, anyone who can clean it up please feel free to do so)

  I trained occasionally in Ted's class in the 1980s at the Inosanto Academy at Glencoe Avenue and in that context occasionally met his father Lucky, (who was one of the higher people in Villabrille Kali system BTW) who at that point was already substantially debilitated from the diabetes that would eventually take his life.  With that said, occasionally he would sometimes briefly demonstrate ideas and movement and his boxing movement was of a different nature.  Quite impressive nevertheless!  No doubt there are some treasured home videos somewhere of it, but his son Ted also had this movement.  I know he did at least one video for Unique on "stick boxing" where this idiom of movement is recorded (no dig at Guro Ted, but the vid is a bit of a snorer as a video I must confess-- he like to explain things thoroughly.)

My impression of the article was that the bit about Ali may have been a stretch, possibly for what the editor might have seen as a catchy hook for the cover of the magazine (Did Ali get his footwork from FMA? Buy this issue and find out! blah blah) but the rest of the article's premise strikes me as probably pretty sound.

I understand your point that the article may, as many do, have underappreciated English boxing, but I read the point about "no blocking" a bit differently than you.  I understood it to me that the mentality of a weapons fighter, a knife fighter, is much more exchange averse than someone who approaches things only from an empty hand perspective and that the nature of the movement that descends from it has a different quality.   I think this point IS valid and the Lucays manifested it.

Yes, Lucky said "no blocking" in the English boxing but please consider that a) his English wasn't very good and b) his statement is in the context of training method-- but this is all really a tangent from the larger point, yes?

As I often so ably demonstrate, historian is not my forte, so I proffer for you, or anyone, to answer:  How, when, where, and why did boxing shift from the Sullivan structure?  Is it enough to simply say "boxing gloves"?
Why to this day do Euro fighters tend to lack head movement compared to North and South American fighters?  Less rythmic music?  :lol:

Apart from my years with Guro I, whose Panantukan still blows me away, I have trained with a manong in Negros who had wonderful panantukan, I have met Cebuanos with superb boxing mechanics (as a result of their trainin interplay with sticks and knives) I have seen footage from the interior of the Philippines (I will see if I can get Krishna Godhania to comment on his experiences in the Philippines in this regard).  What I have seen leads me to feel that the hypothesis that interaction with the Philippines and Filipinos led to the changes from the Sullivan structure to the modern structure, either through the crossroads of Hawaii and/or the US soldiers coming back from the Philippines at turn of the century after introducing boxing gloves there and having some hard lessons in matches in the Filipinos, seems to me to be the most plausible.

If it helps, we can compare this the influence of the Brazilians (Gracie-Machado et al) on grappling.  Yes there was good grappling before, but somehow it is different now.

Woof,
Crafty Dog

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Martial Arts Topics / Battle of grand masters
« on: November 14, 2003, 08:18:39 AM »
Well, there's one in 9 days , , , , :D

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Martial Arts Topics / Old Thai Arts
« on: November 13, 2003, 12:49:13 PM »
Woof All:

I'm reposting the following from the "Escape from Rome" thread because the subject heading has nothing to do with the subject of Old Thai Arts.

Anyone who can contribute please do so.

Thanks and Woof,
Crafty Dog
================

Guro Crafty,

Ajarn Marco de Cesaris teaches that ancient style of Thai boxing, does he not (the kind with the cord-wrapped fists)?

I'd like to know more about it.

Peace,

Dave/TFS
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, , ,

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Woof Spadaccino:

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, but what with the terminology wars nearby and catching up with training and business after a heavy traveling schedule this is my first chance.

It was a pleasure meeting Ajarn Marco who turned out to be a most gracious host as well. He calls what he does "Muay Boran". He is well recognized by the organizations in Thailand in this endeavor, has a fighting background, at 41 is still supremely fit and has a large, active network of schools.

Given the Krabi Krabong component of the recent evolution in DBMA that I've taken to calling "Los Triques", I was most curious to see what
Muay Boran was like and I think Marco too was curious to see the what the KK influence on us looked like.

Speaking only from a base of initial impressions (more knowledgeable people should feel free to jump in) I would say the Muay Boran allows the fight to continue striking on the ground. Examples of this can be seen in Ajarn Marco's video with Budo titled "Kon Muay Kee, Muay Boran" (Marco was kind enough to give me a copy) -- reaping kicks followed by flying drop knees to the prostrate spine, dropping shin kicks to the back of the head as lays on the ground, zoning around the man on the ground that seeks finishing shots even as it looks to avoid entanglement-- a highly important principle for the real world!

During our weekend together we compared notes on footwork concepts. I think Marco enjoyed that we too had come to similar ideas about bilateralism and sought to cultivate the "stepping through step" through our KK training. Marco shared with me some of his thinking on the clinch and elbowing the body. I also enjoyed his historical perspective on the reasons underlying the older deep stance.

All in all it was very enjoyable and we are staying in touch.

If anyone can add any comments on older Thai systems (an area of great interest to Marco) such as KK, Muay Boran, Lerd Rit etc it would be much appreciated.

Woof,
Crafty Dog

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