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DBMA Martial Arts Forum => Martial Arts Topics => Topic started by: Green 1 on November 17, 2008, 08:35:58 AM
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I was just curious as to when DLO 3 might be available? I'm sure there are many looking forward to this one!
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At the moment I am looking a the first rough edit of Kali Tudo 2 and am awaiting the first rough edit of DLO-3. Given our concerns about piracy and related matters (see thread nearby), there is a chance that I will say "Screw it!" and do DLO-3 as a LEO/Military project only.
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Ruff edit of the Ohio footage of DLO 3 came in today.
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Great! Really looking forward to it Guro. By the way, How'd the Kali Tudo 2 footage come out? Can't wait for that DVD.
~Tony Peters
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I am also looking forward to both dvds. I have both DLO 1 & 2 and the Kali tudo. They are first class and I look forward to the release of your current projects.
Thanks for all your efforts
Freki
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...there is a chance that I will say "Screw it!" and do DLO-3 as a LEO/Military project only.
I understand and share your concerns about piracy but I sincerely hope you don't move in this direction. I think "LEO/Military only" would be going contrary to the spirit of the DLO concept. However I will respect your decision in these matters.
Looking forward to purchasing DLO-3 as a lowly civvy.
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If I decide to continue with DVDs at all-- and that is a question all its own-- an option with DLO 3 would be to simply have a civilian version with some additional footage available only to LEO/Mil.
What gets me to thinking about this is that I was watching the ruff cut of the Ohio footage this afternoon (which was shot at the Canton OH Police Department Training Center) and the simple fact is that there are things in there that belong only in the LEO/mil domain for reasons practical, moral, and spiritual.
Night Owl is working on the ruff edit of the studio footage now, and perhaps will be integrating it with the OH footage at the same time.
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Sounds like a wise direction Sir.
Even though my teaching is not as broad, I have found myself teaching one way to MARSOC, another to NAVY, another to Civilians and lately another to LEO's.
There are definite boundaries to all directions that will enable such specific agencies to utilize the material.
Wise indeed...
Respectfully,
C-KD 8-)
Follow your heart but lead with experience and knowledge.
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Sounds like a wise direction Sir.
Even though my teaching is not as broad, I have found myself teaching one way to MARSOC, another to NAVY, another to Civilians and lately another to LEO's.
There are definite boundaries to all directions that will enable such specific agencies to utilize the material.
Wise indeed...
Respectfully,
C-KD 8-)
Follow your heart but lead with experience and knowledge.
I tend to agree, the situations that present themselves to LEO's, civilians or to military personal, tend to be "typically specific" as is what is viewed as "reasonable force" for those same categories.
Perhaps 3 different versions?
Though I an note sure what can be added on to DLO3 for civilians, I mean, DLO and DLO2 covered pretty much everything.
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Ronin:
Tail wags for the compliment, but rest assured, there is more. DLO-1 was a broad overview of the gun, knife, and EH paradigm and the Kali Fence, the Dog Catcher, getting off the X, appendix carry and draw, and FOF drills. That's a lot of material, even for the triple disc that DLO-1 was-- our intention was to show how all the pieces fit together.
DLO-2 looked at CQ gun vs knife: when to go to gun first and when to fight first. Also, it showed some additional depth to the DC.
DLO-3: We think the KF has a lot of merit. Whereas DLO-1 showed the relation of the different pieces of our approach to the GKEH paradigm, DLO-3 focuses on the KF and getting it right and showing more of the options that exist for this structure. The KF is meant to be used in real world situations where there may well be no limit on how bad things can go sideways and in our opinion, this means paying a lot of attention to it.
DLO-4 will focus on the anti-knife technique of the DC and its progeny. :wink:
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Ronin:
Tail wags for the compliment, but rest assured, there is more. DLO-1 was a broad overview of the gun, knife, and EH paradigm and the Kali Fence, the Dog Catcher, getting off the X, appendix carry and draw, and FOF drills. That's a lot of material, even for the triple disc that DLO-1 was-- our intention was to show how all the pieces fit together.
DLO-2 looked at CQ gun vs knife: when to go to gun first and when to fight first. Also, it showed some additional depth to the DC.
DLO-3: We think the KF has a lot of merit. Whereas DLO-1 showed the relation of the different pieces of our approach to the GKEH paradigm, DLO-3 focuses on the KF and getting it right and showing more of the options that exist for this structure. The KF is meant to be used in real world situations where there may well be no limit on how bad things can go sideways and in our opinion, this means paying a lot of attention to it.
DLO-4 will focus on the anti-knife technique of the DC and its progeny. :wink:
Now you're just teasing us, you big flirt !
LOL !
DLO-4 eh?
The Kali fence has MORE than "a lot of merit", that's like saying a 50 caliber packs a nice punch, :)
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They call me , , , the Crafty Dog :evil: :lol: :lol:
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I should have a rough edit of DLO 3 by Thursday.
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"I have been working in some of the most dangerous night clubs and bars in boston for the last 8 years. In that time I have seen with devastating consequence what happens when people are caught off guard when knives are involved in street violence. I have seen friends get stabbed, and friends die because of the ambush nature of knives on the street. And I can say that the mindset and skillsets that are cultivated with the DLO material have made the difference on those dark nights where I was truly scared for my life. I have put my life behind this material and I am still here typing this now so it gives you an understanding of how effective this material is. If you are going to put your life behind any training this is the place to start"
Greg "Cyborg Dog" Brown
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Bringing is to the top because this is going to be front and center real soon.
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We finalize KT2: The Running Dog Game tomorrow, then it will be time to turn to this one.
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After being given the privilege of getting a sneak preview of the beginning of the DLO3 DVD when I was in LA recently, I felt I had to post some comments.
Even with the issue of gun being lesser in the UK, I found the material on the 1st two DLO dvd's eye opening in many ways. It's changed a number of existing aspects of my "reality" game and added new ones as well.
What I've seen of DLO 3 so far not only expands on this further, but deeper. The fact that it's also more one-on-one instruction rather than seminar footage, imho, allows for much greater understanding of the material being presented. All in this is the logical progression of the foundations Guro Crafty has already put in place with the 1st two volumes.
I can't wait to get this on pre-order :-D
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Night Owl and I will begin editing this coming week.
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Outstanding. Can't wait to get this pre-ordered.
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Due to some business problems on other fronts, this project has been languishing. We WILL get to it.
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Ron and I hope to have our final edit on Friday.
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This IS moving along-- I promise!
I should have the final edit this week.
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Final edit you say?
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My seminar in Toronto and a visit to my mom intervened. Yesterday Night Owl was to give me a disc for my review, but family matters intervened and we weren't able to get together.
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Canada will pay for this affront.........
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But Night Owl is Canadian! :-D And I like Canadians! :-D :lol:
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Had what is presumably the final big edit day for DLO 3 today. Next Tuesday we dot the "i-s" and cross the "t-s" and will be done.
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Woof Crafty,
I received you VM. Please do whatever you see fit. I TRUST YOU and feel proud to be part of something bigger than myself.
Anything for you and the Tribe. :wink:
Semper Fi!
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We finished today. Night Owl should have the finished master for me next week, as well as the promo clip, and will send suitable fotos to Pretty Kitty for her to prepare the box cover.
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I have not been following this thread. I have DLO1 and 2. Can we preorder the DLO3?
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We are not quite at that point yet.
Night Owl needs to do the promo clip, and my wife needs to get the box cover done-- then it will be time for pre-orders.
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:-D :-D :-D
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The form for pre-orders should go up tomorrow!
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Well , , , maybe later today :oops: :lol:
Anyway, here's this:
"Die Less Often 3"
featuring Guro Crafty Dog
assisted by Poi Dog
$40
In the triple disc "Die Less Often" we began sharing our take on "the Interface of Gun, Knife, and Empty Hand". We introduced threat management, "the Kali Fence", weapon access issues, pre-emption/interception tactics and techniques, reactive techniques ("the Dog Catcher"), and tested them all full force in Force-on-Force drills using people who had trained in the material for only a day and a half in order to show that the material had a practical primal state foundation that could be installed to good effect in remarkably short order.
In DLO 2, the focus shifted to accessing a gun during a knife attack. Here the focus discerning whether one needed to deal with the knife attack before accessing the gun, or whether to use range control, angle, and certain footwork to go for the gun before the knife attack arrived. Again, this was tested in Force-on-Force drills.
Having shown dynamic testing of the fundamentals structures, in DLO 3 we turn to a deeper study of the particulars of managing unknown contacts/threat management, the Kali Fence, the angular brachial stun, how to start the fight by getting to your intended attacker's back while denying/controlling his potential for weapon access, weapon neutralization, (capture, disarm, and/or receiver grip) and much more.
DLO 1 showed the big picture of some material we think to be pretty sharp and really practical -- now DLO 3 gives the little details and fill in your matrix of options that deepen your understanding and raise your ability to apply the material in ever more challenging situations.
If you are in the military and dealing with potential hostiles up close, in law enforcement, corrections work, security work, door work, or if you simply want to have these understanding for yourself as you "walk as a warrior for all your days".
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Pre-order form!
http://dogbrothers.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=39&products_id=151
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After much misadventure (wife sick over the holidays, editor sick for a goodly part of January, etc.) the master disc for DLO 3 is now at long last finally DONE. Today we choose a picture for the cover and I write the copy for the back. We are getting very close , , ,
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The promo clip is up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvF_iDurNEk
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WOW! ...POWERFUL !
:-) 8-)
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Very cool.
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Proof that Dogs can think? Definitely a good promo, and a good point about Ethics of a Warrior too.
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WOW as allways grate stuff thanks Crafty :-D
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Box cover is done. It should begin shipping in about ten days. :-)
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very cool promo clip :-)
The angular brachial stun is a very strong structure capable of being a shot in its own right as demonstrated in the DLO3 clip, as well as an interceptor which a flinching reaction "locks and loads" (the basis of Tony Blauer's SPEAR System). The upper body mechanics of the angular brachial stun are actually similar to Tony's Tactical SPEAR.
I don't know if there's ever been any collaboration, or if it's just that great combative minds come to similar conclusions based off their own experiences, but in my case, as a SPEAR advocate and a fan of FMA, the DLO series represents the possibility of melding these two areas of my interest together. Now I've only gotta order the DVD :-D
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Pretty Kitty tells me the dupe house tells us it will arrive this week. We will begin shipping immediately.
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Basics are called basics because they work and they can be called different names in different systems. Looks like a good collar bone block that I learned back in high school football- you are aiming for more shoulder than neck tho'..........
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In western music there are but 12 notes. That does not mean there are no new melodies however.
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Yepper, synergy in the way the tools are used can make simple "little" stuff massively effective. I watched a Aikidoka take down/away a knife in the casino, he went for the merge and guide, but instead of letting go used the 1 arm tackle (football)and head push (sanjitsu?)that guided the guy into the concrete floor head first. The guy guy was out cold for 2 minutes along with a concussion, and it all looked so....gentle.
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:-)
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First shipment of orders went out on Saturday. :-D
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Cant wait :-D I have a new address that I am going to go update in my account right now.... :wink: :lol:
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First shipment of orders went out on Saturday. :-D
Yep, got my shipping confirmation. Now I just hope that customs don't hold my order to ransom! [Import tax, what are these fake knives for, that sort of thing...]
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A review I came across from a gun oriented forum:
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Once again a DLO DVD sets the standard for street combat survival.
To me at least, the information and concepts in these types of DVDs is priceless, if even one element of the mental schema promoted or the physical positioning/response saves you from eating a blade during the opening moment of an attack/planned attack. That opening moment is often where and when your future will be decided.
What I like most about the DLO series is that it gives the average guy who may not have spent his life training in martial arts/etc. a place to start training from or operating from in a very reality-based manner. The concepts presented, especially if practiced, should serve you well in better preparing yourself for crunch time when it arrives. Notice I didn't say "if." Because if is just too...iffy.
The video clips of real incidents which very clearly show violence in action as it would be on the street, not on television, are also invaluable.
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And I'll tell you this much. Several years ago I had occasion to try and stab the crap out of Crafty Dog in a training scenario. His foot mobility, as well as his ability to use his limbs and hands made it very difficult for me to get in any shots on him. I sincerely believe that had I been using a live blade it would have been just as difficult to penetrate sufficiently to have delivered devastating shots. To me that speaks volumes about the efficacy of the material that he is offering.
Anyway, I give DLO-3 a big thumbs up.
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An example of the feedback we are getting on DLO-3:
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To Mister Marc Denny and the exceptional staff of Dog Brothers Martial Arts
I just finished watching the promo for Die Less Often 3. I am once again amazed at the level of care for the viewers your team has. Not only are the techniques presented in clear, concise, and effective displays but they are also shown with the real world after effects of a violent encounter.
The scene of the promo that impressed me the most was the moment where Mister Denny addresses the camera and speaks about "perhaps this is someone i can never again let be a threat to me. This becomes a very powerful motion. Or perhaps this is someone who is sick, and I have the opportunity to save a life by giving a life."
All too often in our path as martialists we encounter the chest beating machismo-ist or style-pride-bound devotee. Both do us a disservice in the eyes of the public from whom we are already alienated.
Thank you for continuing to produce such high quality material with the proper martial spirit.
Sincerely,
James M Bell
Sarasota Florida.