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Title: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on March 12, 2017, 04:50:58 AM
We are past 50 days into Trump's term.  It is certainly time to start talking about 2020  .     :roll:

Will the eventual nominee be a dark horse or some known big shot we already know trying to jump into the power vacuum at the top?

Like Boomer Bloomberg,  Clinton again (Hillary not Chelsea , another Cuomo , Biden, Sanders, Schumer (Charlie not Amy)

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Andrew-Cuomo-president-2020-fundraisers/2017/03/11/id/778222/
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DDF on March 13, 2017, 09:17:41 AM
We are past 50 days into Trump's term.  It is certainly time to start talking about 2020  .     :roll:

Will the eventual nominee be a dark horse or some known big shot we already know trying to jump into the power vacuum at the top?

Like Boomer Bloomberg,  Clinton again (Hillary not Chelsea , another Cuomo , Biden, Sanders, Schumer (Charlie not Amy)

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Andrew-Cuomo-president-2020-fundraisers/2017/03/11/id/778222/

That's an excellent subject.
Title: Hillary 2020!
Post by: G M on March 13, 2017, 06:08:42 PM
America hasn't suffered enough!
Title: Re: Hillary 2020!
Post by: DDF on March 14, 2017, 06:36:26 AM
America hasn't suffered enough!

I think there's a strong argument against that GM.  :-D :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on April 30, 2017, 09:52:04 AM
another stab at a dynasty:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/US-Biden-New-Hampshire/2017/04/30/id/787261/

It is assured he will run.
Title: another liberal who wants to run
Post by: ccp on April 30, 2017, 05:19:55 PM
though maybe not '20:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/ohio-family-surprised-when-mark-zuckerberg-comes-to-dinner/
Title: Will 2020 Be Another 1972 for Democrats? By Victor Davis Hanson
Post by: DougMacG on May 01, 2017, 08:42:23 AM
"So far, the similarities are eerie."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/04/27/will_2020_be_another_1972_for_democrats_133718.html

"if in 2020 Democrats go hard left as they did in 1972, then they will likely lose just as big."
Title: 100 Days of #TheResistance’s Humiliating Failure
Post by: G M on May 01, 2017, 09:05:26 AM
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/05/01/100-days-of-theresistances-humiliating-failure-n2320453

100 Days of #TheResistance’s Humiliating Failure
Kurt  Schlichter Kurt Schlichter |Posted: May 01, 2017 12:01 AM 

In the first 100 days since Felonia von Pantsuit was not inaugurated, the goofy collection of commie traitors, coastal snobs, and crack-pot weirdoes that hilariously styles itself “#TheResistance” has only managed to successfully resist success. Oh sure, they and the catamite media tried their darnedest but, as Yoda said, “Try not. Do, or do not. There is no try.” And, as Yoda also said, “Chelsea Clinton is best Democrats can do, say you? Kidding me, you are.”

Yeah, after 100 days President Trump has reintroduced the world to Alpha America after eight years of Barack’s fussy betaism, gutted a Schumer-ton of regulations, and broke the Senate Democrats’ spirit by suckering them into a loser play that resulted in Justice Gorsuch today and, I hope, Justice Crazy Conservative Caveman to replace Justice Kennedy this summer. Plus, of course, his two greatest achievements – not being Hillary, and surviving even after being subjected to every slander, lie, and fake news report the gyno-hat left could throw at him.

Really, that #TheResistance could throw at us, because #TheResistance is not really resisting Trump as much as it is resisting us. The elite establishment is outraged that we normals have demanded to govern ourselves rather than begging for scraps from our betters in DC, NY and LA. It wasn’t just that horrible, sick old woman that we rejected; it was them. And by doing so, we “stole” what they see as their birthright to reign sovereign over us. They try to cover up their humiliation with tales of “Russians” and “hacking” because the truth is too painful to face. This election was about the people they sought to rule looking at them and their track record of failure and saying, “Nah, you suck.”

#TheResistance has got nothing. The kook caucus is now slow-walking its insistence that The Donald and Vlad were hanging out in hot tubs playing patty-cake because it became clear that the Obama White House had been spying on the Republicans knowing that they’d never be held to account with President Hillary in office. Oops. That worked out poorly; my advice to Ben Rhodes is, on your first day on the cellblock, take a swing at the biggest guy you can find.

#The Resistance is a mess. Now they’re reduced to fighting for supremacy in their final redoubt, the universities where their fascist intimidation and suppression of speech provides a glimpse of America as it would have been had Trump not been elected. That they are forced into a last-ditch effort to keep power in an institution where their control is total is proof positive of their weakness. And the fact that the only way they have a shot at succeeding is to actively work to silence the voices of non-idiocy is icing on the cake. Their goose-stepping antics on campus are providing America a preview of life under Democrats, and it’s not helping them.

Then there’s the cultural backlash, which is accomplishing … nothing. Polls show readers are less likely to trust the mainstream media than random emails from Nigerian princes. ESPN is dying, in no small part thanks to the campaign to throw tiresome progressive tropes into a network people turn to for some mindless sportsball. No one wants to see the next Keith Olbermann fulminating about “TRUMP’S TREASON!!!!!” between dwarf tosses on The Ocho.


And there is the interchangeable late night crowd whose predictable conformity to the anti-normal agenda has turned Johnny Carson’s former level playing field into a tiresome lefty echo chamber where viral clips of obscure hosts “destroying” Trump provide much needed erotic stimulus to liberal geeks who know not the loving touch of a living human.

The most hilarious part is the super-timely and relevant Handmaid’s Tale miniseries, a festival of imagined oppression porn designed to give frigid liberal women and their neutered male-identifying partners some much-needed bitter jollies. If you’ve never dated a college sophomore who got assigned that stupid book in her feminist lit seminar and now can’t shut up about it, this over-praised dystopian tome imagines a giant Christian conspiracy to create a gay-killing theocracy where women are slaves who are forced to cover their bodies and who are occasionally genitally mutilated. Sure, that scenario sounds familiar (Radical Islam), but I just can’t place it (Radical Islam). Oh, right – it’s totally Donald Trump’s agenda (Radical Islam).

By the way, the not-at-all out-of-touch Democrats responded to Trump’s election by appointing a radical Muslim leftist as second-in-command at the Democratic National Committee. Perhaps that’s part of their outreach program to nail down their support on college campuses, in Manhattan, and among the culturally suicidal. Way to recover Wisconsin, geniuses.


Again, this is the very best #TheResistance can do.

Now, everything is not perfect, but even those issues where Donald Trump has failed to attain his objectives (yet) are not that helpful to #TheResistance. Its “victories” don’t seem very victorious. They got some judge in Hawaii to (temporarily) stop Trump from excluding refugees from various jihadi-infused hellholes, thereby buying the Democrats the next massacre by one of these creeps. They got another judge to (temporarily) allow sanctuary cities to ignore the law, thereby buying the Democrats the next murder by a MS-13 creep. Way to go, Dems. You’re the party of importing Muslim fanatics and illegal alien gangbangers. See you in 2018!

The Democrats have stopped the repeal of Obamacare (temporarily), and have somehow convinced themselves that this will help them. Of course, because they think we’re dumb, they imagine we will forget that it’s called “Obamacare.” It’ll be nice to be rid of it, but not if the replacement is nearly as bad. Here’s the thing – the GOP alone could pass the Obamacare replacement, but it’s being held up by conservatives who want to make it more conservative. Wrap that around your head – for the first time in the history of ever, Republicans are blocking legislation for not being conservative enough. Briar, meet patch.


President Trump has a bunch of nominees pending for key jobs, and rumor has it that Never Trump infiltrators are slow-walking them to purposefully make him look bad. He should stop tolerating it, clean house, and demand his team perform. He could also be appointing judges faster, though rumor has it that a bunch of nominations are coming soon. They will sail through the Senate, and the federal courts will stop being the Democrat’s last gasp defense, all thanks to Harry Reid, who is currently back in Nevada living in a sex dungeon with his NordicTrack/dominatrix.

There’s no indication that the next 100 days, or the 100 days thereafter, will be any better for #TheResistance. It can fume and it can fuss, but slowly and steadily, the normal are winning. As Yoda might have said, “Pathetic you are, for win you do not, despite your media friends and your sex organ sombreros.”
Title: Lord help us
Post by: ccp on July 14, 2017, 02:39:58 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/07/14/5-indicators-that-mark-zuckerberg-is-considering-a-run-for-president/         :-o :? :roll:
Title: Obama wants Deval Patrick of MA
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 02, 2017, 08:39:04 AM
https://www.youngcons.com/obama-and-advisers-want-ma-gov-deval-patrick-to-run-for-president-in-2020/?ref=FacebookPost
Title: my sentiments exactly
Post by: ccp on August 07, 2017, 05:10:41 AM
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/fck-zuck-2020-street-art-appears-facebook-founder-hires-hillary-strategist/
Title: Michele / Beyonce ticket
Post by: ccp on September 05, 2017, 07:58:02 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/05/entertainment/michelle-obama-beyonce-birthday/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Most+Recent%29&utm_content=Yahoo+Search+Results

vs Rock (Dwayne Johnson)/ Kid Rock

or even more exciting:

William Kristol / George Will    :roll:
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on September 05, 2017, 08:25:12 AM
Very interesting read, but this is not the thread for it.

Curious what thread do you think, for comments.  I'll try 2020 Presidential with mine, but the article did include this:  "the cultural division between privileged, government-connected elites and the rest of the country has turned twenty-first century politics in America into a cold civil war between hostile socio-political identities."

Maybe this is just politics as usual, always changing while staying the same and the pendulum swinging. 

It seems to me that over the last dozen years: 
Establishment Republicans (Bush) failed to be consistent, competent or conservative and the result was a hard left turn.
The Left turned too far to the left and the country rejected that without embracing anything conservative or Republican. 
Now Trump and the Republicans flounder with no governing theme, no legislative success and losing support, and  the Democrats are not winning them back. 

What is left is a political opening a mile wide for a new leader to march through somewhere between the Trump message and sanity and no one seems to know how to capture it or where to go with it.

What we (always) need is better overlap of a great leader, a great message and a great direction.

The only person I see who could unite more than one faction and lead this country in amy positive direction now  is VP Mike Pence, and only if DT slipped off the stage without too much fanfare... which I don't see happening.

As we face more and more of the unknown and see a complete inability to govern, what we get is more and more of the status quo.  We've had wide swings in the electoral everything and what I see at least in my world is the same high taxes, same over-regulation and same leftist media-education-government complex with mutually assured hatred with the largest group they call the deplorables.

We need a leader who can change minds, in a positive way, not just ride a wave.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Biden is running "for sure"
Post by: DougMacG on November 06, 2017, 07:53:06 AM
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/Chris-Matthews-Says-He-Knows-Joe-Biden-Is-Running-for-President-in-2020-Talked-to-His-Family-455016723.html

Nothing in 2020 is for sure in 2017.  For one thing that makes him 78 at inauguration and 82 at reelection.
Still, if true, this changes everything. )   It is his turn!

Curious and thinking of the Jeb Bush implosion, when did Joe Biden last run and win a highly contentious campaign?
In 1972, an energetic young Joe Biden beat a far more qualified Republican J. Caleb Boggs by 50% to 49% to win his Senate seat.  That is 48 years prior to the 2020 election.  There is no reason to think he can't do it again!

Age is a risk factor for Alzheimer's. And at 69, Ronald Reagan was the oldest man to be elected president.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/ronald-reagan-alzheimers-presidency/story?id=12633225

Biden would be 9 years older than Reagan, but really he has no 'before' yardstick from which to measure mental deterioration.

Trump is no youngster either and his health in the 2020 campaign to the Jan 2025 end of second term is unknown too.
Title: Biden would beat Trump today
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 16, 2017, 06:05:26 AM
http://www.dailywire.com/news/23620/poll-biden-would-swamp-trump-if-2020-election-were-hank-berrien?utm_source=cnemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=111617-news&utm_campaign=position1
Title: My thoughts on '20 and Trump
Post by: ccp on November 16, 2017, 07:35:07 AM
Biden would beat Trump today

Trump has not been able to attract anyone beyond the core 40% ish.

The media DNC Obama/ex Clinton mob academic complex is winning.

Someone sent Rush and email suggesting that maybe Trump is "not the guy".  Rush went on break before he was going to respond to it and I had to go to work so I did not hear his thoughts on the topic.

Trump is clearly the guy who has the courage and stamina to fight the libs.....   but alas he is NOT the guy IMHO who can go up against the "establishment".  His qualities are only part of the package needed.   Sadly, beyond him we have no one else. 

Isn't it obvious by now?  Don't we all know this?

Not looking good for '18 or '20 at this juncture and the tax package not likely to turn this around in my opinion.

Mike Savage is right - bottom line - we are a left of center country now.
Title: We Need to Talk About Uncle Joe
Post by: G M on November 16, 2017, 07:40:50 AM
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/372531.php

We Need to Talk About Uncle Joe

Joe Biden, serial young girl-toucher.


*Let him run.*
Title: Re: We Need to Talk About Uncle Joe
Post by: DougMacG on November 16, 2017, 08:44:52 AM
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/372531.php
We Need to Talk About Uncle Joe
Joe Biden, serial young girl-toucher.
*Let him run.*


Predictions of what other people will do and how other people will vote are not my strength, but Joe Biden loses his 'VP for Obama' pedestal the moment he enters the race and will start taking incoming arrows.  Like G M points out, he was caught 'touching' women before powerful men started getting busted for it.  That's just old Joe or those were different times doesn't cut it as an excuse.  He was doing what Trump was caught talking about.  George HW Bush is now feeling the heat.  Biden was the worst for that kind of thing.  Leftists are turning on Bill Clinton now to clear their own names admitting their own guilt.  At some point, women are going to turn against unprofessional, sexist sleazeballs.

His career was lousy.  His other campaigns were dreadful.  Loose lips don't describe things that come out of his mouth, more like loose brain.  He lost his debate to Sarah Palin.  People should review that video for the quality and accuracy of his answers.  Every time he said let me repeat that, he repeated a falsehood.

His chairmanship of the Senate Judiciary committee was a disaster, Bork, Anita Hill, Clarence Thomas, etc.

What did he do as Vice President?  He was a placeholder, someone who made friend and foe not want anything to happen to Obama.  He never was the best or most qualified person for that job.  Chosen to be harmless, if he just doesn't talk too much.  Obama was never tied to Biden gaffes; a President Biden would be.  Or take the other tack, he was instrumental in a failed administration.  Measure it in GDP, danger in the world or number of Republicans elected while they were in charge.

If you look at what liberals and Democrats think what went wrong with the trump personna and Presidency, ignoramus was a word I just saw used twice by them, how does picking Joe Biden take them to the next level.?

To be fair, he also said or did one or two right in his half century in Washington.  He would have split off the Iraqi Kurds along time ago, and from the left coalition point of view he was one step ahead of the curve on gay marriage.

Skipping the Trump years, he is not the logical successor to Obama who was in his 40s when elected President and played the unknown about him as a blank canvas for each voter and group to paint for themselves.  He is old and known.  Either the body, energy level or mental sharpness (how will we know?) will catch up with him, if not the creepy stuff.

The only Democrat contemplating how great things would be if Biden were President is Biden.

Both parties (and most other countries) need new leaders!
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 16, 2017, 11:23:58 AM
Agreed re Biden, but Trump is digging a whole for himself and for us in many, many ways.  That a putz like Biden could score this well speaks volumes.
Title: Oprah
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 09, 2018, 08:15:40 AM
Rush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-zWP2-vxoY


Levin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmQ1Mt4HP0E


Casting Couch regretee blames Oprah:
https://pagesix.com/2017/11/28/actress-harvey-used-oprah-and-naomi-to-seduce-me/


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/01/oprah-presidential-case-marred-by-promotion-dr-oz-jenny-mccarthy-others.html
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Barack Obama is behind Oprah
Post by: DougMacG on January 12, 2018, 08:55:14 AM
Barack Obama is behind Oprah.  They wrote her speech.  They want power back, (kind of like the Clintons).  They hate their legacy being undone. 

The above is conjecture and analysis by Bill O'Reilly.  Very likely true.

Oprah v. Trump, oh my God.

I thought it would be Michelle, but Oprah would be way easier for them - especially just after the former first lady thing didn't work.  The Obama machine is alive and well.
Title: I have found the ideal dem presidential candidate for 2020
Post by: G M on March 04, 2018, 06:10:55 PM

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/determined-not-to-die-a-human-transgender-dragon-lady-spent-60k-to-confirm-second-birth/

Checks off many of the boxes for them. Keynote speaker at the convention at least.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 04, 2018, 08:48:54 PM
 :-o :-o :-o
Title: WSJ: Jindal: Kasich could be Trumps' best hope
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 17, 2018, 10:41:25 AM
Kasich Could Be Trump’s Best Hope
An independent candidacy could split voters who dislike the Democrats but can’t abide the president.
Ohio Gov. John Kasich.
Ohio Gov. John Kasich. Photo: Charles Krupa/Associated Press
By Bobby Jindal
May 16, 2018 7:00 p.m. ET
211 COMMENTS

Donald Trump once joked that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose votes. That may be true—his approval ratings have inched up recently, tweetstorms and Stormy Daniels notwithstanding.

But can he be re-elected? He’s unlikely to face an opponent as unpopular and uninspiring as Hillary Clinton in 2020. His best hope may be John Kasich. The departing Ohio governor has made noises about challenging Mr. Trump in the primaries, but an independent bid would be better for the president.

A Kasich candidacy would not threaten Mr. Trump’s hold over base voters. While some in the Republican establishment pine for someone to represent the “real” party, GOP voters are generally happy with Mr. Trump. Donors wonder why their millions are spent on winning elections only to pursue social policies they consider distractions at best, whereas millions of primary voters feel their votes are no longer wasted electing politicians who support unfair trade deals and open borders.

Mr. Trump has been assailed for waffling on social issues like abortion and gun control, for an economic policy that embraces runaway spending and rejects free trade, for being too conciliatory toward Russia, and for an entitlement policy that is unsustainable. His defenders cite his successes in appointing conservative judges and cutting corporate taxes.

He benefits, ironically, from the qualities that earn him scorn from the media. As was evidenced during the Republican primary, it is ineffective to attack Mr. Trump from the right while he is vowing to build a border wall and ban Muslim immigration. He is willing to go rhetorically further than even the most antiestablishment politician, leaving no room in 2016 for Ted Cruz or in 2020 for another conservative challenger.

But the base isn’t enough to win, and Mr. Trump so far shows little sign of picking up new supporters. Thus a challenger is not sufficient—Mr. Trump needs a candidate who siphons off not only Republican Never Trumpers, but moderates who might otherwise vote for the Democrat. Fortunately for him, the Democrats are making themselves increasingly unattractive to those moderates.

While the media obsesses over all things Trump, they ignore the Democrats’ infighting. Rep. Dan Lipinski barely survived a well-funded primary challenger despite strong union support in a safe blue district due to progressives’ outrage over his pro-life views. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee has angered grass-roots liberals with its heavy-handed attacks on Laura Moser in a Texas primary. Sen. Elizabeth Warren is attacking Democrats for working with Republicans to lighten the regulatory burden imposed by Dodd-Frank.

Democrats are fleeing to increasingly radical policy positions to immunize themselves against attacks from the likes of Ms. Warren and Sen. Bernie Sanders. Whereas President Obama refused to include a public option in his signature health bill, potential presidential contenders like Sens. Warren, Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand and Kamala Harris have rushed to cosponsor Mr. Sanders’s single-payer bill, which would take away private health insurance—along with Medicare—from everyone who has it.

Many moderate Democrats who used to support school choice, or at least charter schools, are now silent or reversing their positions. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi attacked the Republican-passed tax cut and mocked the resulting bonuses and salary increases. Billionaire Tom Steyer is spending millions insisting impeachment need not wait for the results of Robert Mueller’s investigation.

Democratic extremism may not be enough for Republicans to hold Congress this November. Republican control of government has accomplished what Mr. Obama failed to do—make ObamaCare popular and increase funding for Democrats’ priorities. The GOP failure to repeal ObamaCare and approval of a bloated omnibus spending bill will dampen conservative voters’ enthusiasm. While the administration bears much blame, House Republicans are likely to pay a price this November.

Yet Democrats’ improving midterm prospects do not necessarily herald success in 2020. In 2006 Mrs. Pelosi became speaker by focusing on George Bush’s low approval ratings and corruption scandals engulfing House Republicans, and by empowering DCCC chairman Rahm Emanuel to recruit viable candidates in swing districts. She contradicted the Washington maxim that you can’t beat something with nothing; there was no Democratic version of the 1994 Contract with America. Mrs. Pelosi did not build a mandate for a national progressive platform, preferring to abide another maxim that you shouldn’t interfere when your opponent is destroying himself.

In 2018 she is trying to repeat history, and it may work—but Democrats in 2020 will have to offer more. Just as seemingly every Republican sought the party’s nomination in 2016, sensing it was a valuable prize given Hillary’s weaknesses, Democrats are lining up to challenge Mr. Trump. It is hard to imagine the next revelation will shake Mr. Trump’s core supporters, but it is also hard to imagine a strong economy winning over his most hardened detractors. Meanwhile, the Democrats’ radical leftward turn leaves those moderates who will not vote for Mr. Trump ripe to support an independent bid. Mr. Kasich, are you listening?

Mr. Jindal served as governor of Louisiana, 2008-16, and was a candidate for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination.

Appeared in the May 17, 2018, print edition.
Title: Starbuck Schultz
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 05, 2018, 08:36:31 AM
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/howard-schultz-president-2020-democrats-wont-embrace/
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 05, 2018, 06:56:49 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395470-dems-seek-to-one-up-each-other-with-trump-attacks?userid=188403
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 26, 2018, 02:17:20 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/26/opinion/trump-re-election-2020.html
Title: 2020 Presidential election, Democrats audition at the Kavanaugh hearings
Post by: DougMacG on September 05, 2018, 08:57:35 AM
Democrats have been picking their candidates mostly from the Senate. Recent and near recent examples include Sanders, Obama, Hillary, Kerry, Biden, Edwards, Mondale, Humphrey, Johnson, Kennedy.

About 1 minute into the hearings, the new group got started, Kamala Harris, Amy Klobuchar, Cory Booker, etc.

Klobuchar admitted regret for changing the rules that now allow 5 51 votes to confirm a Justice. Lousy timing on that regret.

One group including Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Harris and Booker are in a race to be the darling of the left. Others on the left would like to win senate seat this year in North Dakota, Indiana, Missouri and Florida.

Maybe we'll have 17 Democrats in two tiers of debates in 2020 like we had with the Republicans in 2016. They all think Trump is a bumbling idiot and will be easy to take down just like Reagan was in 1984.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: G M on September 05, 2018, 09:03:20 AM
If  Cory Booker and Kameltoe Harris run, it'll be the first all female Dem presidential ticket.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 05, 2018, 09:57:39 AM
If one of them wins, she'll be the second woman president of the US.
Title: Run Hillary, run!
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 11, 2018, 10:42:56 AM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/run-hillary-run/
Title: Re: Run Hillary, run!
Post by: G M on October 11, 2018, 02:14:22 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/run-hillary-run/

That would be so awesome!
Title: Julian Castro?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 16, 2018, 10:18:54 PM
Oy vey.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/julian-castro-likely-to-run-for-president
Title: VDH: 20% black vote for Trump in 2020?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 18, 2018, 09:15:42 AM
https://patriotpost.us/opinion/58921-could-trump-win-20-percent-of-the-african-american-vote-in-2020
Title: Re: VDH: 20% black vote for Trump in 2020?
Post by: G M on October 18, 2018, 07:09:59 PM
https://patriotpost.us/opinion/58921-could-trump-win-20-percent-of-the-african-american-vote-in-2020

That would devastate the dims!
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 18, 2018, 10:11:56 PM
Black vote is 2016 was one million less than in 2012-- easily much greater than the margin.
Title: Kamala Harris
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 19, 2018, 10:10:14 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/16/kamala-harris-2020-strategy-908818
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on October 20, 2018, 01:14:52 PM
Harris , a slavery reparations candidate (thru the back door of redistribution)
was picked as the leading '20 candidate for the Dems

Open borders high taxation single payer medical

She will run us into a second rate nation

How many people in this country wouldn't mind an extra 6K per year courtesy of the taxpayers?

Take the cash and run or think long term and invest in the nations future.......

Obvious to me but not to the bottom 50% who pay no taxes


Title: Boomer for '20
Post by: ccp on November 05, 2018, 06:48:43 AM
no surprise one of the biggest ego know it alls is running in '20

throwing hsi money around to the Left to by support for his run:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/04/2020-michael-bloomberg-drops-last-minute-ad-touting-himself-dems-before-tuesday-vote/

I don't know what this guy thinks solutions to bring us together is all about!

I have a solution for ya :

Stop the Left from shoving their agenda down the throats of the rest of us.
Does that work for ya .

Otherwise there ain't no coming together ..  We never heard anything about coming together or compromise during the One's years did we?
Title: Malkin on Boomer
Post by: ccp on November 06, 2018, 11:54:11 PM
Say no, to to the Short man with the Napoleon complex:

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/malkin-say-no-to-nanny-bloomberg/
Title: The Dowager Empress of Chappaqua will run again
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 11, 2018, 12:50:26 PM
Hillary Will Run Again
Reinventing herself as a liberal firebrand, Mrs. Clinton will easily capture the 2020 nomination.
31 Comments
By Mark Penn and
Andrew Stein
Nov. 11, 2018 2:13 p.m. ET


Get ready for Hillary Clinton 4.0. More than 30 years in the making, this new version of Mrs. Clinton, when she runs for president in 2020, will come full circle—back to the universal-health-care-promoting progressive firebrand of 1994. True to her name, Mrs. Clinton will fight this out until the last dog dies. She won’t let a little thing like two stunning defeats stand in the way of her claim to the White House.

It’s been quite a journey. In July 1999, Mrs. Clinton began her independent political career on retiring Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s farm in upstate New York. Her Senate platform included support for a balanced budget, the death penalty and incremental health-care reform. It was a decisive break from her early-1990s self. Hillary Clinton 2.0 was a moderate, building on the success of her communitarian “It Takes a Village” appeals and pledging to bring home the bacon for New York. She emphasized her religious background, voiced strong support for Israel, voted for the Iraq war, and took a hard line against Iran.

This was arguably the most successful version of Hillary Clinton. She captured the hearts and minds of New York’s voters and soared to an easy re-election in 2006, leaving Bill and all his controversies behind.

But Hillary 2.0 could not overcome Barack Obama, the instant press sensation. During the 2008 presidential campaign, Mrs. Clinton held fast to centrist positions that would have assured her victory in the general election. But progressive leaders and donors abandoned her for the antiwar Mr. Obama. Black voters who had been strong Clinton supporters in New York and Arkansas left her column to elect the first African-American president. History was made, but not by Mrs. Clinton. Though she won more delegates from Democratic primaries, activists in caucus states gave Mr. Obama, who had called her “likable enough,” the heartbreaking win.

Licking her wounds, Mrs. Clinton served as secretary of state while she planned her comeback. It was during this time that the more liberal Hillary 3.0 emerged. She believed she could never win a primary as a moderate, so she entered the 2016 primary as a progressive like Mr. Obama. Then she moved further left as Sen. Bernie Sanders came closer to derailing her nomination. This time she was able to contain her opponent’s support, crucially by bringing African-American voters into her camp.

But Mrs. Clinton’s transformation during the primaries, especially on social and cultural issues, cost her an easy win against Donald Trump. As Hillary 3.0 catered to the coastal elites who had eluded her in 2008, Mr. Trump stole many of the white working-class voters who might have been amenable to the previous version. Finally she had the full support of the New York Times and the other groups that had shunned her for Mr. Obama—but only at the cost of an unforeseen collapse in support in the Midwest.

Claims of a Russian conspiracy and the unfairness of the Electoral College shielded Mrs. Clinton from ever truly conceding she had lost. She was robbed, she told herself, yet again. But after two years of brooding—including at book length—Mrs. Clinton has come unbound. She will not allow this humiliating loss at the hands of an amateur to end the story of her career. You can expect her to run for president once again. Maybe not at first, when the legions of Senate Democrats make their announcements, but definitely by the time the primaries are in full swing.

Mrs. Clinton has a 75% approval rating among Democrats, an unfinished mission to be the first female president, and a personal grievance against Mr. Trump, whose supporters pilloried her with chants of “Lock her up!” This must be avenged.

Expect Hillary 4.0 to come out swinging. She has decisively to win those Iowa caucus-goers who have never warmed up to her. They will see her now as strong, partisan, left-leaning and all-Democrat—the one with the guts, experience and steely-eyed determination to defeat Mr. Trump. She has had two years to go over what she did wrong and how to take him on again.

Richard Nixon came back from his loss to John F. Kennedy in 1960 and won the presidency in 1968. He will be the model for winning again. Mrs. Clinton won’t travel the country in a van with Huma Abedin this time, doing small events and retail politics. Instead she will enter through the front door, mobilizing the army of professional women behind her, leveraging her social networks, and raking in donations. She will hope to emerge as an unstoppable force to undo Mr. Trump, running on the #MeToo movement, universal health care and gun control. Proud and independent, this time she will sideline Bill and Mr. Obama, limiting their role to fundraising.

The generation of Democrats who have been waiting to take over the party from the Clintons will be fuming that she is back and stealing their show. But they revealed themselves to be bungling amateurs in the Brett Kavanaugh nomination fight, with their laughable Spartacus moments. She will trounce them. Just as Mr. Trump cleared the field, Mrs. Clinton will take down rising Democratic stars like bowling pins. Mike Bloomberg will support her rather than run, and Joe Biden will never be able to take her on.

Don’t pay much attention to the “I won’t run” declarations. Mrs. Clinton knows both Mr. Clinton and Mr. Obama declared they weren’t running, until they ran. She may even skip Iowa and enter the race later, but rest assured that, one way or another, Hillary 4.0 is on the way.

Mr. Penn was a pollster and senior adviser to Bill and Hillary Clinton from 1995-2008. Mr. Stein is a former Democratic Manhattan borough president and president of the New York City Council.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on November 11, 2018, 02:37:49 PM
"Don’t pay much attention to the “I won’t run” declarations. Mrs. Clinton knows both Mr. Clinton and Mr. Obama declared they weren’t running, until they ran. "

anyone who has lived since the 90s already knows this.

I am not convinced she would be the Dem nominee though.

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on November 19, 2018, 07:43:21 AM
This race supposedly starts now.  Those serious about winning are starting operations behind the scenes now.

The only serious announced candidate is Trump.  I don't expect any truly competitive challengers on the Republican side unless something changes.  A John Kasich perhaps, Jeff Flake or lesser who could divide slightly but not conquer.

I wonder who will be the first prominent Democrat to announce and start running full speed.  I wonder who even is a prominent Democrat anymore.  https://hotair.com/archives/2018/10/14/cnn-poll-biden-leds-dem-presidential-field-20-points-avenatti-one-percent/  Who is a clear-the field candidate?  Biden has no gravitas nor the charisma of the younger upstarts. His career accomplishments are ....... . HRC would not clear the field.  Fauxcahontas' appeal is not national.  https://outline.com/647FCT But she and Bernie are the old leaders of that movement.  If I were them I would get out and get behind ... Kamala??

How do Dems bridge the energy of the coastal far left with the need to carry the center-left midwest.  These suburban Republican House losses were not to admitted, flame throwing Leftists.  The primaries will be fought on the Left and the general election in the center.  You need to win both or go the way of John Kerry, Michael Dukakis.  Barack Obama did it selling a blank slate for each voter to paint on.  The 2020 Dem will not go unscrutinized.

Major losses up and down the ballots since 2010 have left the Dems with little or no bench and the newcomers now have no positive, national experience.  Cory Booker??

There is talk of all 36 or so mentioned running, making the 17 Republicans in two tiers last time look small.  Once a few jump in, Kamala Harris, Beto, Hickenlooper, do the rest have to all jump in or miss the spotlight?  Or does a late entry take it, like the second (or third or fourth) mouse gets the cheese?

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/03/12/hickenlooper-colorado-president-2020/
If Hickenlooper (Gov of Colo) is moderate, could he win outside of Colorado where no one has heard of him, excite the base, win primaries in a crowded field, not fizzle on a national stage?  If he or anyone is moderate, won't they be ruthlessly attacked in the primaries for being Republican-Lite?  The energy of Jeb Bush?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b40uXVjaGh4

If you were a top Dem strategist, who would you want to attach yourself to.  Who does the Obama machine want to support.  Michelle O. was the one I feared but she most likely will not run. Trump will eat up her husband's record.  New and untested is better. Oprah, not running.

Who besides Sherrod Brown could win Ohio, and could he win in Ohio, or anywhere else?  He is a third term Senator, me a political junkie and I realize I've never heard him speak:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sharrod+brown+youtube&atb=v143-2__&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=P_t924nP6Gk

Good God, tell me this doesn't all come down to Amy Klobuchar!
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=amy+klobuchar+youtube&atb=v143-2__&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=bExZ1agUK0M
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Sherrod Brown
Post by: DougMacG on November 21, 2018, 07:10:50 AM
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/11/why-sherrod-brown-may-have-an-edge-on-warren-and-sanders

Sorry I don't know why he is liked or electable, just covering analysis from the other side.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Sherrod Brown
Post by: G M on November 21, 2018, 07:43:46 AM
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/11/why-sherrod-brown-may-have-an-edge-on-warren-and-sanders

Sorry I don't know why he is liked or electable, just covering analysis from the other side.

How does Sherrod Brown poll with boxes of discovered ballots? That seems to be the key group that decides elections.
Title: Run John run
Post by: ccp on November 26, 2018, 06:06:14 AM
you have ZERO chance of ever beating Trump - zero.
although you might pick up more votes as a Democrat:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/john-kasich-says-apos-apos-155804953.html
Title: Re: Run John [Kasich] run? Retire John, retire.
Post by: DougMacG on November 26, 2018, 07:05:53 AM
you have ZERO chance of ever beating Trump - zero.
although you might pick up more votes as a Democrat:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/john-kasich-says-apos-apos-155804953.html

He or someone like him may run as an independent with the intent of being the spoiler.

The primary system for all its flaws is better than the alternatives.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on November 26, 2018, 09:21:49 AM
"He or someone like him may run as an independent with the intent of being the spoiler."

and like Flake McCain he is a guy who thinks he is helping America by being a "spoiler"

Our party always seems to have a few .

Perhaps the same could be said about Sanders but in the end he joins lock step arm and arm with the rest of his comrades in the Dem party (ther word is a misnomer in this case ;  should be the Dem funeral procession - not "party)
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 26, 2018, 11:18:59 AM
Kasich is making noise about challenging Trump.
Title: Gringo O'Rourke
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 11, 2018, 02:46:07 AM
https://www.daybydaycartoon.com/comic/two-of-a-kind/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+DayByDayCartoon+%28Day+by+Day+Cartoon+by+Chris+Muir%29
Title: Keeping an eye on Bloomberg
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 15, 2018, 05:30:10 AM


https://www.nraila.org/articles/20181214/news-flash-michael-bloomberg-not-a-fan-of-the-first-amendment-either
Title: Boomer -> little emperor
Post by: ccp on December 15, 2018, 08:06:57 AM
https://www.google.com/search?q=napoleon+as+emperor&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=1oUnG-Oox1XUYM%253A%252Cru6LDDrNlQeLKM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kSdlgui-7amZAQy7BWOOfBd9vAlhA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjp19LQm6LfAhVmk-AKHQNZAC8Q_h0wGnoECAIQCg#imgrc=N0OQZBnJwvZ9GM:
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election - 3 White Guys take on a white guy
Post by: DougMacG on December 17, 2018, 11:18:31 AM
Top 3 Dems at the moment:  Biden(age 76), Bernie(77) and Beto(46) to take on Trump(72).
https://pjmedia.com/video/kirsten-gillibrand-says-it-worries-her-that-the-top-3-2020-dems-are-all-white-guys/

Let's see if Joe Biden can sell generational change.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/11/26/why-democrats-shouldnt-nominate-someone-over/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7ac159218d37
Title: 2020 Presidential election, Ten Reasons it may be Two Terms
Post by: DougMacG on January 03, 2019, 08:24:19 AM
ccp:  Trump will lose in '20.

Maybe.

Some other factors besides Trump's personal defects will come into play:

1.  It's the economy - again.  The most recent one term Presidents had struggling economies.  Trump doubled the growth rate.  Unemployment is at 50 year lows.  Three million went off of 'so-called' food stamps in the very short time since the Leftists left the White House.  Record low Hispanic unemployment, record low black teenager unemployment, record low female unemployment, etc.  Even the hated Fed admits the improvement, restoring interest rates.

2.  North Korea tamed, if not denuked.  No Crimeas under Trump, Russia likely to wait out Trump on their next expansionism.  Mad Dog is gone but US military is feared again under Trump.  

3.  China has been called out on trade tactics and technology theft for the first.time.ever.  This is not done but Trump is already getting real concessions - by standing up for America.

4.  NAFTA re-opened and repaired.  NO ONE else would have done that.

5.  NATO strengthened using the only negotiating strategy that works - right out of art of the deal - willingness to walk away.

6.  American troops coming home from foreign wars.  People like that in some areas of the electoral college.  This is different than surrender under Obama because adversaries know we will be back on a moments notice if needed.

7.  America is number one in oil production again, essentially energy independent, no longer literally held hostage by Mullahs and dictators.  This happened because of capitalism plain and simple, accelerated by deregulation.  Gas prices are not going back to $4-5 under Trump.

8. Judge by the Left's crisis criteria, climate change.  America's emissions under Trump hit their targets and outperformed all the Paris signatories - without martial law or coercion.  Who knew?

9.  Improvements on refugee inflows and border security.

10.  The biggest, perhaps only reason Trump may win in '20 is the reason he won in '16, weak opponents.  Forget about strength in numbers on the Dem candidate list and look at any one of them who may emerge after all the fighting is done.  What has he or she done or will do about the above?  Make us stronger?  No.  Make us safer?  no.  Make us more prosperous?  No.  Keep us energy independent?  No.  Secure our border?  No.  Unite us?  No.  Inspire us?  No.  Scold us on our excesses?  Yes  Turn us into a failed state?  Yes.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on January 03, 2019, 09:42:55 AM
agree with most of what you say but not everything:

"North Korea tamed, if not denuked.  No Crimeas under Trump"

Well we read N Korea is still proceeding with their nukes

No Crimea but a soviet air base on one of Venezuela's island

" Improvements on refugee inflows and border security."

I posted recently that illegals entries are actually up under Trump.
   nothing about those who overstay visas etc

I will surprised if there is not  a third party candidate - I can see Boomer doing that if he does not get a Dem nod .
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on January 04, 2019, 06:41:41 AM
You are right ccp on the border and NK at halftime.  I'm predicting he will have some bragging rights on those scores in 2020.  Otherwise he will just run with the rest of the 300 accomplishments, versus what, Cory, Kamala, Julian? 

It reminds me, I have political gambling debts to settle with you.  Note to self, don't bet against ccp.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, I fear Amy
Post by: DougMacG on January 16, 2019, 08:43:38 AM
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/01/is-gillibrand-the-democrats-best-faux-moderate-woman.php

As the 2018 election drew near, she had outraised her Republican opponent by $7.4 million to $200,000.

Klobuchar:  Her lifetime American Conservative Union rating is 4.71, almost identical to Chuck Schumer’s 4.70.

Midwestern like Tim Pawlenty without all the charisma. 

http://www.startribune.com/sen-amy-klobuchar-drops-more-hints-disavows-fake-campaign-logo/504400492/

Hillary 2.0 in many ways without the marriage to Bill, Whitewater, email scandal etc.  She has walked through life without much scrutiny.  Rose to attention with a locally famous family name; her father was a well known newspaper columnist.
 Lousy prosecutor with good people on staff, she got through her Hennepin County Attorney job without major screwups or scandal.  Ran for Senate as a local Hillary clone in 2006 with the changeover of congress to the Pelosi Reid Dems and the end of a 53 month Bush Cheney expansion as investors saw what was coming and head for the doors.  She has mostly avoided strong rhetoric on divisive issues but is a lock-step far Left Dem by all of our standards.

I fear Hillary but hate to pull for the louder flame throwers.  Senators generally think they should be President, have faced all the issues but never run anything.  Obama was elected but most of the Senators fizzle in the Presidential contests.

https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-ink/2018/10/another-upgrade-klobuchar-seen-as-6th-most-likely-2020-dem-nominee/

As you can see in the photo, the crowds aren't going to see Amy:
(https://www.minnpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/KlobucharPrideParade640.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, I fear Amy
Post by: G M on January 16, 2019, 01:56:33 PM
She does show a definite midwestern sense of style.  :wink:


https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/01/is-gillibrand-the-democrats-best-faux-moderate-woman.php

As the 2018 election drew near, she had outraised her Republican opponent by $7.4 million to $200,000.

Klobuchar:  Her lifetime American Conservative Union rating is 4.71, almost identical to Chuck Schumer’s 4.70.

Midwestern like Tim Pawlenty without all the charisma. 

http://www.startribune.com/sen-amy-klobuchar-drops-more-hints-disavows-fake-campaign-logo/504400492/

Hillary 2.0 in many ways without the marriage to Bill, Whitewater, email scandal etc.  She has walked through life without much scrutiny.  Rose to attention with a locally famous family name; her father was a well known newspaper columnist.
 Lousy prosecutor with good people on staff, she got through her Hennepin County Attorney job without major screwups or scandal.  Ran for Senate as a local Hillary clone in 2006 with the changeover of congress to the Pelosi Reid Dems and the end of a 53 month Bush Cheney expansion as investors saw what was coming and head for the doors.  She has mostly avoided strong rhetoric on divisive issues but is a lock-step far Left Dem by all of our standards.

I fear Hillary but hate to pull for the louder flame throwers.  Senators generally think they should be President, have faced all the issues but never run anything.  Obama was elected but most of the Senators fizzle in the Presidential contests.

https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-ink/2018/10/another-upgrade-klobuchar-seen-as-6th-most-likely-2020-dem-nominee/

As you can see in the photo, the crowds aren't going to see Amy:
(https://www.minnpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/KlobucharPrideParade640.jpg)

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, I fear Amy
Post by: DougMacG on January 16, 2019, 06:03:08 PM
"She does show a definite midwestern sense of style.  :wink:   "

Diplomatically expressed.  She won't win this on looks alone.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, I fear Amy
Post by: G M on January 16, 2019, 07:55:39 PM
"She does show a definite midwestern sense of style.  :wink:   "

Diplomatically expressed.  She won't win this on looks alone.


I have worked a couple of EP details where Hollywood types mingle with theater owners. From across the room, I can tell who is from Tinseltown and who owns a chain of theaters in middle America.
Title: POTH/Lara Bazelon on Kamala Harris's record as CA's AG
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 17, 2019, 08:25:39 AM


Kamala Harris Was Not a ‘Progressive Prosecutor’

The senator was often on the wrong side of history when she served as California’s attorney general.

By Lara Bazelon

Ms. Bazelon is a law professor and the former director of the Loyola Law School Project for the Innocent in Los Angeles.

    Jan. 17, 2019

Before she was a senator, Kamala Harris was an attorney general and district attorney who acted in ways that could hardly be described as "progressive," Lara Bazelon writes.CreditDamon Winter/The New York Times


Before she was a senator, Kamala Harris was an attorney general and district attorney who acted in ways that could hardly be described as "progressive," Lara Bazelon writes.CreditCreditDamon Winter/The New York Times
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SAN FRANCISCO — With the growing recognition that prosecutors hold the keys to a fairer criminal justice system, the term “progressive prosecutor” has almost become trendy. This is how Senator Kamala Harris of California, a likely presidential candidate and a former prosecutor, describes herself.

But she’s not.

Time after time, when progressives urged her to embrace criminal justice reforms as a district attorney and then the state’s attorney general, Ms. Harris opposed them or stayed silent. Most troubling, Ms. Harris fought tooth and nail to uphold wrongful convictions that had been secured through official misconduct that included evidence tampering, false testimony and the suppression of crucial information by prosecutors.

Consider her record as San Francisco’s district attorney from 2004 to 2011. Ms. Harris was criticized in 2010 for withholding information about a police laboratory technician who had been accused of “intentionally sabotaging” her work and stealing drugs from the lab. After a memo surfaced showing that Ms. Harris’s deputies knew about the technician’s wrongdoing and recent conviction, but failed to alert defense lawyers, a judge condemned Ms. Harris’s indifference to the systemic violation of the defendants’ constitutional rights.

Ms. Harris contested the ruling by arguing that the judge, whose husband was a defense attorney and had spoken publicly about the importance of disclosing evidence, had a conflict of interest. Ms. Harris lost. More than 600 cases handled by the corrupt technician were dismissed.


Ms. Harris also championed state legislation under which parents whose children were found to be habitually truant in elementary school could be prosecuted, despite concerns that it would disproportionately affect low-income people of color.

Ms. Harris was similarly regressive as the state’s attorney general. When a federal judge in Orange County ruled that the death penalty was unconstitutional in 2014, Ms. Harris appealed. In a public statement, she made the bizarre argument that the decision “undermines important protections that our courts provide to defendants.” (The approximately 740 men and women awaiting execution in California might disagree).

In 2014, she declined to take a position on Proposition 47, a ballot initiative approved by voters, that reduced certain low-level felonies to misdemeanors. She laughed that year when a reporter asked if she would support the legalization of marijuana for recreational use. Ms. Harris finally reversed course in 2018, long after public opinion had shifted on the topic.

In 2015, she opposed a bill requiring her office to investigate shootings involving officers. And she refused to support statewide standards regulating the use of body-worn cameras by police officers. For this, she incurred criticism from an array of left-leaning reformers, including Democratic state senators, the A.C.L.U. and San Francisco’s elected public defender. The activist Phelicia Jones, who had supported Ms. Harris for years, asked, “How many more people need to die before she steps in?”

Worst of all, though, is Ms. Harris’s record in wrongful conviction cases. Consider George Gage, an electrician with no criminal record who was charged in 1999 with sexually abusing his stepdaughter, who reported the allegations years later. The case largely hinged on the stepdaughter’s testimony and Mr. Gage was convicted.


Afterward, the judge discovered that the prosecutor had unlawfully held back potentially exculpatory evidence, including medical reports indicating that the stepdaughter had been repeatedly untruthful with law enforcement. Her mother even described her as “a pathological liar” who “lives her lies.”

In 2015, when the case reached the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in San Francisco, Ms. Harris’s prosecutors defended the conviction. They pointed out that Mr. Gage, while forced to act as his own lawyer, had not properly raised the legal issue in the lower court, as the law required.

The appellate judges acknowledged this impediment and sent the case to mediation, a clear signal for Ms. Harris to dismiss the case. When she refused to budge, the court upheld the conviction on that technicality. Mr. Gage is still in prison serving a 70-year sentence.

That case is not an outlier. Ms. Harris also fought to keep Daniel Larsen in prison on a 28-year-to-life sentence for possession of a concealed weapon even though his trial lawyer was incompetent and there was compelling evidence of his innocence. Relying on a technicality again, Ms. Harris argued that Mr. Larsen failed to raise his legal arguments in a timely fashion. (This time, she lost.)

She also defended Johnny Baca’s conviction for murder even though judges found a prosecutor presented false testimony at the trial. She relented only after a video of the oral argument received national attention and embarrassed her office.

And then there’s Kevin Cooper, the death row inmate whose trial was infected by racism and corruption. He sought advanced DNA testing to prove his innocence, but Ms. Harris opposed it. (After The New York Times’s exposé of the case went viral, she reversed her position.)

All this is a shame because the state’s top prosecutor has the power and the imperative to seek justice. In cases of tainted convictions, that means conceding error and overturning them. Rather than fulfilling that obligation, Ms. Harris turned legal technicalities into weapons so she could cement injustices.
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In “The Truths We Hold,” Ms. Harris’s recently published memoir, she writes: “America has a deep and dark history of people using the power of the prosecutor as an instrument of injustice.”

She adds, “I know this history well — of innocent men framed, of charges brought against people without sufficient evidence, of prosecutors hiding information that would exonerate defendants, of the disproportionate application of the law.”

All too often, she was on the wrong side of that history.

It is true that politicians must make concessions to get the support of key interest groups. The fierce, collective opposition of law enforcement and local district attorney associations can be hard to overcome at the ballot box. But in her career, Ms. Harris did not barter or trade to get the support of more conservative law-and-order types; she gave it all away.

Of course, the full picture is more complicated. During her tenure as district attorney, Ms. Harris refused to seek the death penalty in a case involving the murder of a police officer. And she started a successful program that offered first-time nonviolent offenders a chance to have their charges dismissed if they completed a rigorous vocational training. As attorney general, she mandated implicit bias training and was awarded for her work in correcting a backlog in the testing of rape kits.

But if Kamala Harris wants people who care about dismantling mass incarceration and correcting miscarriages of justice to vote for her, she needs to radically break with her past.

A good first step would be to apologize to the wrongfully convicted people she has fought to keep in prison and to do what she can to make sure they get justice. She should start with George Gage.
Title: Re: POTH/Lara Bazelon on Kamala Harris's record as CA's AG
Post by: DougMacG on January 17, 2019, 09:03:49 AM
Good article, let these carry their own baggage.

"In “The Truths We Hold,” Ms. Harris’s recently published memoir"

Oh good God, she has a memoir?  Of what?

Nate Silver has her well positioned in a crowded field relative to the competition:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-kamala-and-beto-have-more-upside-than-joe-and-bernie/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-17-long-shot-presidential-contenders-could-build-a-winning-coalition/

With sarcasm, she shares that common experience women across the heartland can relate to, she no marriage or children through all her childbearing years, got her start in politics sleeping with Willie Brown, 30 years her senior.  http://articles.latimes.com/1994-11-29/news/mn-2787_1_brown-associates
 At 54 she has now been married for 4 years.
Title: Coffee man for President
Post by: ccp on January 18, 2019, 08:59:34 PM
Howard Schultz running as "independent"

I can hear it now. 
Another "entitlement coming:

Government department to oversee program to to provide  "free" coffee for all.
(Illegals included. )     :wink:

Title: 2020 Presidential, NYTimes Kamala Harris Was Not a ‘Progressive Prosecutor'
Post by: DougMacG on January 22, 2019, 07:52:19 AM
If we intend to chronicle the flaws of the candidates this cycle we're 'going to need a bigger blog'.
Opinion
Kamala Harris Was Not a ‘Progressive Prosecutor’
The senator was often on the wrong side of history when she served as California’s attorney general.

By Lara Bazelon
Ms. Bazelon is a law professor and the former director of the Loyola Law School Project for the Innocent in Los Angeles.

Jan. 17, 2019

Before she was a senator, Kamala Harris was an attorney general and district attorney who acted in ways that could hardly be described as "progressive," Lara Bazelon writes.

Before she was a senator, Kamala Harris was an attorney general and district attorney who acted in ways that could hardly be described as "progressive," Lara Bazelon writes.

SAN FRANCISCO — With the growing recognition that prosecutors hold the keys to a fairer criminal justice system, the term “progressive prosecutor” has almost become trendy. This is how Senator Kamala Harris of California, a likely presidential candidate and a former prosecutor, describes herself.

But she’s not.

Time after time, when progressives urged her to embrace criminal justice reforms as a district attorney and then the state’s attorney general, Ms. Harris opposed them or stayed silent. Most troubling, Ms. Harris fought tooth and nail to uphold wrongful convictions that had been secured through official misconduct that included evidence tampering, false testimony and the suppression of crucial information by prosecutors.

Consider her record as San Francisco’s district attorney from 2004 to 2011. Ms. Harris was criticized in 2010 for withholding information about a police laboratory technician who had been accused of “intentionally sabotaging” her work and stealing drugs from the lab. After a memo surfaced showing that Ms. Harris’s deputies knew about the technician’s wrongdoing and recent conviction, but failed to alert defense lawyers, a judge condemned Ms. Harris’s indifference to the systemic violation of the defendants’ constitutional rights.

Ms. Harris contested the ruling by arguing that the judge, whose husband was a defense attorney and had spoken publicly about the importance of disclosing evidence, had a conflict of interest. Ms. Harris lost. More than 600 cases handled by the corrupt technician were dismissed.

Ms. Harris also championed state legislation under which parents whose children were found to be habitually truant in elementary school could be prosecuted, despite concerns that it would disproportionately affect low-income people of color.

Ms. Harris was similarly regressive as the state’s attorney general. When a federal judge in Orange County ruled that the death penalty was unconstitutional in 2014, Ms. Harris appealed. In a public statement, she made the bizarre argument that the decision “undermines important protections that our courts provide to defendants.” (The approximately 740 men and women awaiting execution in California might disagree).

In 2014, she declined to take a position on Proposition 47, a ballot initiative approved by voters, that reduced certain low-level felonies to misdemeanors. She laughed that year when a reporter asked if she would support the legalization of marijuana for recreational use. Ms. Harris finally reversed course in 2018, long after public opinion had shifted on the topic.

In 2015, she opposed a bill requiring her office to investigate shootings involving officers. And she refused to support statewide standards regulating the use of body-worn cameras by police officers. For this, she incurred criticism from an array of left-leaning reformers, including Democratic state senators, the A.C.L.U. and San Francisco’s elected public defender. The activist Phelicia Jones, who had supported Ms. Harris for years, asked, “How many more people need to die before she steps in?”

Worst of all, though, is Ms. Harris’s record in wrongful conviction cases. Consider George Gage, an electrician with no criminal record who was charged in 1999 with sexually abusing his stepdaughter, who reported the allegations years later. The case largely hinged on the stepdaughter’s testimony and Mr. Gage was convicted.

Afterward, the judge discovered that the prosecutor had unlawfully held back potentially exculpatory evidence, including medical reports indicating that the stepdaughter had been repeatedly untruthful with law enforcement. Her mother even described her as “a pathological liar” who “lives her lies.”

In 2015, when the case reached the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in San Francisco, Ms. Harris’s prosecutors defended the conviction. They pointed out that Mr. Gage, while forced to act as his own lawyer, had not properly raised the legal issue in the lower court, as the law required.

The appellate judges acknowledged this impediment and sent the case to mediation, a clear signal for Ms. Harris to dismiss the case. When she refused to budge, the court upheld the conviction on that technicality. Mr. Gage is still in prison serving a 70-year sentence.

That case is not an outlier. Ms. Harris also fought to keep Daniel Larsen in prison on a 28-year-to-life sentence for possession of a concealed weapon even though his trial lawyer was incompetent and there was compelling evidence of his innocence. Relying on a technicality again, Ms. Harris argued that Mr. Larsen failed to raise his legal arguments in a timely fashion. (This time, she lost.)

She also defended Johnny Baca’s conviction for murder even though judges found a prosecutor presented false testimony at the trial. She relented only after a video of the oral argument received national attention and embarrassed her office.

And then there’s Kevin Cooper, the death row inmate whose trial was infected by racism and corruption. He sought advanced DNA testing to prove his innocence, but Ms. Harris opposed it. (After The New York Times’s exposé of the case went viral, she reversed her position.)

All this is a shame because the state’s top prosecutor has the power and the imperative to seek justice. In cases of tainted convictions, that means conceding error and overturning them. Rather than fulfilling that obligation, Ms. Harris turned legal technicalities into weapons so she could cement injustices.

In “The Truths We Hold,” Ms. Harris’s recently published memoir, she writes: “America has a deep and dark history of people using the power of the prosecutor as an instrument of injustice.”

She adds, “I know this history well — of innocent men framed, of charges brought against people without sufficient evidence, of prosecutors hiding information that would exonerate defendants, of the disproportionate application of the law.”

All too often, she was on the wrong side of that history.

It is true that politicians must make concessions to get the support of key interest groups. The fierce, collective opposition of law enforcement and local district attorney associations can be hard to overcome at the ballot box. But in her career, Ms. Harris did not barter or trade to get the support of more conservative law-and-order types; she gave it all away.

Of course, the full picture is more complicated. During her tenure as district attorney, Ms. Harris refused to seek the death penalty in a case involving the murder of a police officer. And she started a successful program that offered first-time nonviolent offenders a chance to have their charges dismissed if they completed a rigorous vocational training. As attorney general, she mandated implicit bias training and was awarded for her work in correcting a backlog in the testing of rape kits.

But if Kamala Harris wants people who care about dismantling mass incarceration and correcting miscarriages of justice to vote for her, she needs to radically break with her past.

A good first step would be to apologize to the wrongfully convicted people she has fought to keep in prison and to do what she can to make sure they get justice. She should start with George Gage.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Gillibrand embarrassed by her previous stances
Post by: DougMacG on January 25, 2019, 07:16:19 AM
Gillibrand is likely to face additional questions over her record, having begun her political career as a centrist Democrat only to evolve over the years into a liberal firebrand.

While representing New York’s rural 20th congressional district, Gillibrand opposed “amnesty” for undocumented immigrants and a proposal to issue them driver’s licenses. But as a senator, she backed comprehensive immigration reform and threw her support behind abolishing the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) agency.

Gillibrand also once enjoyed an “A” rating from the National Rifle Association, stemming from her opposition to stricter gun laws in the earlier stages of her career. The NRA downgraded her rating to an “F” in 2010, after she embraced several gun control measures. Gillibrand has said she is “embarrassed” by her previous stances on guns.

“If you looked up ‘political opportunism’ in the dictionary, Kirsten Gillibrand’s photo would be next to it,”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/17/kirsten-gillibrand-formidable-2020-presidential-candidate
Title: NRO on Kamala Harris
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 25, 2019, 08:07:21 AM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/kamala-harris-life-career-california-senator/
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on January 28, 2019, 05:23:14 AM
Anyone notice the themes from the LEFT

They are twisting it around ala Bill Clinton spin

About they are for sovereignty democracy etc

We need to be ready for them turning it around on us .

Take the female version of Obama , Harris:

"We are here because the American Dream and our American democracy are under attack"

oh really !  obama did more to strip our dream our sovereignty from us . How is make America great stripping away the dream
how is getting jobs for all and standing up to foes and "friends" who take advantage of us doing that

another hollywood hypocrite Patricia  Arguette using another one of the endless self congratulatory award shows to thank Muuuuuler  for  saving our "sovereignty "

If this is not twisting the truth backwards   -  more like the Dem Party doing it with open borders

We better have answers ready for this .  Our message must stick it to them.
For once lets shove back in their faces.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on January 28, 2019, 05:14:52 PM
This guy maybe Schultz's campaign manager
??


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt


https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/billionaire-presidential-candidates-2020-howard-schultz-bloomberg-trump/

Pretty funny to see the Jewish liberal billionaires duking it out.
Boomer already pissed.    :lol:
Title: 2020 Presidential election, I fear Amy, George Will on Amy Klobuchar
Post by: DougMacG on January 31, 2019, 05:11:30 AM
There are some useful observations here and some flaws to his thinking:

http://m.startribune.com/george-will-amy-klobuchar-could-be-the-democrats-best-bet-in-2020/505107432/
Title: HUff compost already going after Howard Schultz
Post by: ccp on January 31, 2019, 07:54:41 AM
Let's see based on company profile SBUX employs 291,000 employees in US alone .

Gee wonder if we can find any that will be very unhappy with Howard running?

I guess huffpost can:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/starbucks-telling-employees-howard-schultz-205457390.html

I say: go Howard go !   :))
Title: Cory's story
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 09, 2019, 11:37:17 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2405903/Cory-Booker-invented-drug-dealer-friend-named-T-bone-threatened-life-boost-public-appeal.html?fbclid=IwAR0NbY040pl25-ziHFB8zg8WLVVKzTkQ7ZlCH4Nc4Pz10vO1X4fnDuB_xMw
Title: Re: Cory's story
Post by: G M on February 10, 2019, 12:51:37 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2405903/Cory-Booker-invented-drug-dealer-friend-named-T-bone-threatened-life-boost-public-appeal.html?fbclid=IwAR0NbY040pl25-ziHFB8zg8WLVVKzTkQ7ZlCH4Nc4Pz10vO1X4fnDuB_xMw

Cori is now supposed to be in a relationship with an actress. Some clever person nicknamed her "She-Bone".

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on February 10, 2019, 11:43:42 AM
One of my patients who worked in Newark called Cory Booker a "nothing but a showboater" -

years ago .
Title: WSJ: The Case for Amy Kloobuchar
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 10, 2019, 06:32:00 PM
The Case for Amy Klobuchar
A Minnesota pragmatist could help Democrats beat Trump in 2020.
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Senate Judiciary Committee member Sen. Amy Klobuchar in Washington, Feb. 7.
Senate Judiciary Committee member Sen. Amy Klobuchar in Washington, Feb. 7. Photo: J. Scott Applewhite/Associated Press

Amy Klobuchar is running for President, and perhaps she can be the Democrats’ consensus candidate. “We are tired—of the shutdowns and the showdowns, of the gridlock and the grandstanding,” the Minnesota Senator said Sunday, standing amid falling snow in a Minneapolis park. “Our nation must be governed not from chaos but from opportunity.” Though Ms. Klobuchar won’t be the first choice of the socialist left, she is running as a candidate who is liberal enough while also a sharp contrast in temperament to President Trump.

At 58, she’s a generation younger than Joe Biden, her potential middle-of-the-road competitor. With 12 years in the Senate, she has more experience than Julián Castro or Beto O’Rourke. She’s a Midwesterner, and Democrats need to win back Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio.
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As a woman, she ticks the identity-politics box. Yet she doesn’t carry the baggage of Elizabeth Warren (who impersonated a Native American), Kamala Harris (whose zeal as a prosecutor is passé), or Kirsten Gillibrand (whose politics have “evolved” faster than the flu virus).

Unlike most 2020 contenders, Ms. Klobuchar hasn’t parroted lefty slogans. Asked last year about abolishing Immigration and Customs Enforcement, she said it would be better to focus on changing its policies, adding: “We are always going to need immigration enforcement.” She advocates letting people buy into Medicare, rather than forcing it on everybody, while still saying universal health-care is the goal.

Ms. Klobuchar once called her approach “pretty pragmatic.” In 2007 she passed a bill tightening safety standards for pool drains, after a few young children were hurt or killed by the suction. In 2011 she stood up for the nutritional value of tomato paste, when the Agriculture Department was debating if school-lunch pizza should continue to count as a vegetable serving.
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More recently, she has focused on lowering prescription drug prices and boosting privacy online. Critics of her record in the Senate say she plays small ball. Ms. Klobuchar responds that she simply knows how to get things done. Minnesotans clearly take her side. During her re-election last year, she won 60% of the vote, including every congressional district.

But when Democrats outside Minnesota are asked about Amy Klobuchar, they reply: Amy who? In a national survey last month, 49% said they’d never heard of her. Another 21% didn’t know enough to have an opinion. Even in neighboring Iowa, Ms. Klobuchar was the first 2020 choice for only 3% of Democrats, according to a December poll. She was tied with—gulp—Michael Bloomberg.

She is also getting criticism, albeit anonymously, as a tough boss who mistreated her staff. She has had some of the highest staff turnover on Capitol Hill, but the stories would have more credibility if the critics lent their names. Perhaps the Senator is simply less tolerant of millennial demands. The stories are notable mainly because they contrast with Ms. Klobuchar’s Minnesota Nice public persona.

Another question is how far Ms. Klobuchar will go to raise her profile. Last week she quietly co-sponsored the Senate resolution on a Green New Deal. Running on a pledge to eliminate fossil fuels in 10 years? Mr. Trump can only hope. If Ms. Klobuchar, already a solid liberal, feels the need to zag further left, she could lose the strongest argument for her candidacy: She may be the Democrat best able to beat Mr. Trump.
Title: Re: WSJ: The Case for Amy Klobuchar?
Post by: DougMacG on February 11, 2019, 06:22:34 AM
The Case for Amy Klobuchar?

   - The WSJ article cited has some truths and some flaws in it.  When she was elected, she was an exact policy clone of Hillary Clinton with local name recognition, without all the baggage, running nearly unopposed in a solidly, old style blue state.  She has continuing, unexplained popularity that has continued to clear the field for her.

   - She is a woman, box checked, and they got her age and years of Senate experience right.  She wasn't a prosecutor, she ran a department that prosecuted.  She accomplished WHAT in the Senate by the way?  She entered the Senate in 2006, stopped the Bush expansion and tanked the economy.  She supported every policy that brought on the crash and she supported every wrong-headed policy of Obama, who was the furthest left of all her fellow Senators.  She stood up to him on nothing to set herself apart, not the healthcare takeover, not cars for cash, not Solyndra boondoggle, QE, trillion dollar deficits, not the Iran disaster.  When did she cross over or stand up to him?  Never.  Just a perfect partisan.  A follower, not a leader.  Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin without all the charisma.

"Yet she doesn’t carry the baggage of Elizabeth Warren (who impersonated a Native American), Kamala Harris (whose zeal as a prosecutor is passé), or Kirsten Gillibrand (whose politics have “evolved” faster than the flu virus)."

   - True, she doesn't have Hillary's or Warren's baggage and she doesn't talk like AOC.  She does however carry all the baggage of the Democratic Party of the last 12 years into the general election if nominated.  12 years without making America competitive.  Will she run on bringing back collapse or stagnation?  Empowering Iran or empowering North Korea?  Selling out to China or to Russia?  Her opponent doubled the growth rate and made us safer.  How does she answer that?

"Unlike most 2020 contenders, Ms. Klobuchar hasn’t parroted lefty slogans. Asked last year about abolishing Immigration and Customs Enforcement, she said it would be better to focus on changing its policies, adding: “We are always going to need immigration enforcement.”

   - That counts as pragmatism in the Dem party today, admitting that nations have borders?  If so, it could sink her in the primaries.  Those blue collar workers that care about borders are now called Trump voters.

Ms. Klobuchar once called her approach “pretty pragmatic.” In 2007 she passed a bill tightening safety standards for pool drains, after a few young children were hurt or killed by the suction. In 2011 she stood up for the nutritional value of tomato paste, when the Agriculture Department was debating if school-lunch pizza should continue to count as a vegetable serving.

   - Yes, she can be the pool drain President.  I stand corrected on no accomplishments.  One girl was horribly drowned in the Minneapolis Golf Club pool and she closed all old pools in the nation, forced upgrades and saved likely zero lives while supporting the abortion of millions.  No mention of where she stands on nine month plus one day terminations?

"More recently, she has focused on lowering prescription drug prices and boosting privacy online. [I like that.]  Critics of her record in the Senate say she plays small ball. Ms. Klobuchar responds that she simply knows how to get things done. Minnesotans clearly take her side. During her re-election last year, she won 60% of the vote, including every congressional district."

   - She wins with name recognition here and has always had more than ten to one money advantage.  That doesn't carry as far as Iowa or Wisconsin, she won't win either Dakota, and it won't help her in New Hampshire, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania.  Her famous dad of the Minneapolis Tribune was unknown and un-noteworthy outside the state.

"She is also getting criticism, albeit anonymously, as a tough boss who mistreated her staff. She has had some of the highest staff turnover on Capitol Hill, but the stories would have more credibility if the critics lent their names. Perhaps the Senator is simply less tolerant of millennial demands. The stories are notable mainly because they contrast with Ms. Klobuchar’s Minnesota Nice public persona."

   - Excuse me but there is a big difference between being a tough boss and mistreating your staff.  Her true character is revealed behind the scenes.  The stories are notable because she is a bitch when the cameras are off, unnecessarily.  I knew that from a family member, a Democrat, who worked for her in her previous job. Not exactly his words but to that effect.  Interesting to know that she is not authentic; her public and private persona are different.  That is not likely to change at 58 and could be be revealed in the course of a long campaign if she is competitive.  Amy Klobuchar has never been in a close competitive race, never faced a serious attack and never beat a real challenge from the left or the right.  She should fit right in, in a field of beginners.

"Another question is how far Ms. Klobuchar will go to raise her profile. Last week she quietly co-sponsored the Senate resolution on a Green New Deal. Running on a pledge to eliminate fossil fuels in 10 years? Mr. Trump can only hope. If Ms. Klobuchar, already a solid liberal, feels the need to zag further left, she could lose the strongest argument for her candidacy.

   - This is right.  If she runs to the Left in the primaries, she removes the only reason to vote for her, that she is a reasonable centrist, an old style Democrat, a unicorn in 2019.  There aren't any JFK Democrats or Humphrey Democrats left - so she copies the others to set herself apart?

Unmentioned is how well popular two term Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty did in Iowa, California, New York, Michigan.  She won in local, one newspaper town that has been playing her last name in large print without controversy everyday for 60 years.

If the Dem contest is a race to the Left, Amy does not either win it or set herself up as a contrast by endorsing the socialist green mantra.  Her only hope is to be the last one standing after a long series of others implode over the course of the campaign. 

Excite the Left or win the middle.  Choose one.
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Amy's first statewide race:

Minnesota Democratic–Farmer–Labor Party primary results[1]
Party   Candidate   Votes 2006   %
DFL   Amy Klobuchar   294,671   92.51
DFL   Darryl Stanton     23,872      7.49

Population of MN is roughly 6 million, roughly 95% of whom did not come out to vote for her that beautiful September day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota

Money raised in Klobuchar's most recent reelction, 2018:
Amy Klobuchar (D) $10,681,536
Jim Newberger (R)   $257,989

A 42:1 advantage.  Good luck getting that matchup with Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on February 11, 2019, 06:54:20 AM
"- Excuse me but there is a big difference between being a tough boss and mistreating your staff.  Her true character is revealed behind the scenes.  The stories are notable because she is a bitch when the cameras are off, unnecessarily.  I knew that from a family member, a Democrat, who worked for her in her previous job. Interesting to know that she is not authentic.  Her public and private persona are different.  That is not likely to change at 58 and could be be revealed in the course of a long campaign if she is competitive."

you know someone who worked for her?
unlike Donald she is hiding her real persona.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 11, 2019, 08:44:09 AM
I confess so far I am unimpressed with this purported issue.  Trump has a substantial record of fukking with people who contract to do work for him, but we voted for him anyway. 
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on February 11, 2019, 10:53:41 AM
I confess so far I am unimpressed with this purported issue.  Trump has a substantial record of fukking with people who contract to do work for him, but we voted for him anyway.

You are likely right.  Her personal ambition might be a strength now that she is running for the highest office in the land.  On the other side of it, she would be running in the general election as the non-Trump. *   Saying they both treat underlings badly doesn't cut it. It undercuts her already unimpressive image.  More importantly though, the flaws in Donald Trump, out in the open, partly helped him to accomplish large things.  The flaws in Amy have stayed secret while she so far has been no more than a placeholder for the Democratic Party.  When they needed 47 or 60 voters, she was there.  Pool drain safety and tomato paste nutrition are what a sympathetic article came up with for accomplishments.  Otherwise, every vote she took with Schumer, Durbin and Obama arguably moved the country backwards on most measurable fronts. 

It might be easier for Trump to run against a Dem Senator with a long voting record of failure than to run against an idealistic blank slate of promise like what Obama pulled off. 
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 * Nate silver:  My thinking was that Klobuchar’s mild-mannered Minnesota-niceness and long career as a public servant — and the fact that she’s a woman — would look to Democratic voters like the antidote to Trump’s bombast and braggadocio.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/amy-klobuchar-2020-democratic-nomination-kickoff/
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Klobuchar
Post by: DougMacG on February 11, 2019, 11:24:34 AM
In a blizzard and in a multi-week, below zero stretch she addresses climate change at her kick-off.  No irony.  "We believe in science."  Lucky for her the ideologues don't call it global warming anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMb59UaMLPA
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on February 11, 2019, 12:38:32 PM
" I confess so far I am unimpressed with this purported issue.  Trump has a substantial record of fukking with people who contract to do work for him, but we voted for him anyway"

Agree as I alluded to my previous post 6:54 am) but Doug makes a good point too:  At least it is becoming clear that Klobuchar will not be able to claim some sort of *moral high ground* against Trump.

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: G M on February 11, 2019, 12:57:04 PM
" I confess so far I am unimpressed with this purported issue.  Trump has a substantial record of fukking with people who contract to do work for him, but we voted for him anyway"

Agree as I alluded to my previous post 6:54 am) but Doug makes a good point too:  At least it is becoming clear that Klobuchar will not be able to claim some sort of *moral high ground* against Trump.

Dollar Palace-Hillary

(http://ace.mu.nu/archives/I-dont-have-to-get-all-dressed-up.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Dems officially off the deep end
Post by: DougMacG on February 12, 2019, 06:54:35 AM
"the Green New Deal has been embraced by every Democrat in the race including Klobuchar and Senate colleagues Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker, and Kirsten Gillibrand."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/klobuchar-dismisses-moderate-label-people-should-see-me-as-a-progressive
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Wow.  Running on taking away all private automobiles, grounding and recycling the metal on all airplanes, shutting down all nuclear plants, confiscating all natural gas furnaces, ending air conditioning as we know it and making us all vegans against our will. 

Walter Mondale was too far left in all 50 states but he had an answer for this in "1984":
"Where's the Beef?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjw8m7GmIa4
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As AOC and all these candidates talk about getting the majorities that will pass Green New Coercive Deal, they will not stop at banning airplanes, cars, heat and beef, they will ban guns too.  Obviously, gun owners will resist, but at least one candidate says they will have the nuclear weapons, so what they are really proposing is coercive victory through nuclear civil war.  Put THAT on the ballot in 2020.

Title: Kamala's stoner memory loss
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 12, 2019, 07:04:14 PM
https://www.westernjournal.com/kamala-harris-caught-falsehood-claiming-smoke-dope-listening-tupac-college/?utm_source=push&utm_medium=conservativetribune&utm_content=2019-02-12&utm_campaign=manualpost
Title: Senator Tom Cotton
Post by: ccp on February 13, 2019, 06:13:26 AM
on the Left and their co conspirators in the media  covering for the Dem prez candidates:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2019/02/13/cotton-media-have-been-complicit-in-the-stalinlike-coverup-of-radical-parts-of-green-new-deal-n2541406

As Pat Buchanan points out Trump may have hit on a winning formula:
https://buchanan.org/blog/has-trump-found-the-formula-for-2020-135970
Title: Gillibrand
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 14, 2019, 08:04:22 AM
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/kirsten-gillibrands-chameleonic-ability/
Title: Gillibrand
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 18, 2019, 05:02:39 AM
https://hotair.com/archives/2019/02/17/gillibrand-need-federally-recognize-third-gender/?fbclid=IwAR118oyVWxdmrBiOE12jmbSOyROp7Puat5_MXkdJnRpCqy6goGZ-nJzo_Is
Title: NR Trump should be speaking to minorities specifically
Post by: ccp on February 21, 2019, 06:46:52 AM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/02/republican-party-minority-voters-2020-campaign-strategy/

Is Trump such a coward he only gives speeches to bastions of support?
Is he afraid if he goes to minority community he will be heckled?

I don't know why he just continues to refuse to do this. I suspect it would help more then hurt .
I wonder if he is AFRAID of the potential for a  less than loving crowd.   :wink:



Title: Re: NR Trump should be speaking to minorities specifically
Post by: DougMacG on February 21, 2019, 08:22:12 AM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/02/republican-party-minority-voters-2020-campaign-strategy/

Is Trump such a coward he only gives speeches to bastions of support?
Is he afraid if he goes to minority community he will be heckled?

I don't know why he just continues to refuse to do this. I suspect it would help more then hurt .
I wonder if he is AFRAID of the potential for a  less than loving crowd.   :wink:

I think he tried to do that with his Venezuela speech in Miami.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=IBYs1NWOp1Q

The article suggests he bring his economic record with blacks to Philadelphia and I think he will.  I don't think its cowardice but just optics.  His rallies have been a political masterpiece of making him look and sound popular. I'm sure he will stay with the large venue look and having protesters hauled out is bad optics. A so-called black neighborhood is not going to come out with the same level of excitement to show public support for Trump even as he has the possibility to double his support there.  Just getting more blacks and Hispanics and Asian Americans into the picture and into the arena would be a breakthrough.  There is no doubt that the words of his speeches will be touting the inclusiveness of his economic accomplishments with minorities at every stop.  Whites also don't want to be part of a white-centric movement.  Whites were proud to elect the first black President and whites at least on the right are proud of the Trump economic record with minorities.
Title: 2020 Presidential election: Dems should but won't pick John Hickenlooper,
Post by: DougMacG on February 21, 2019, 10:04:19 AM
Besides Warren, I also predict failure for John Hickenlooper who is probably the best of the Democrats, a far better 'moderate' than Amy.  He is scheduled to be in a Sioux City (IA) coffee shop for one hour this Saturday.  Don't expect it to look like a Trump rally.

These small stops tell you how expensive it is to wage a national campaign, flying  around for such a brief stop not likely to excite anyone:  "Moderate Problem Solver Coming to Town!"

If no one comes, it's over?

My relatives in Sioux City are Republicans, as are most moderates in the heartland these days.

http://kscj.com/2019/02/20/hickenlooper-to-test-political-waters-in-sioux-city/

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/01/31/john-hickenlooper-moderate-presidential-candidate/
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Distant relative Bourke B. Hickenlooper (common name?) was a Republican Lt. Gov, Governor in the 1940s, then served 4 terms in the US Senate through the 1960s, died in 1971.  Not likely to bring the former Colorado Democratic governor too many votes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourke_B._Hickenlooper
Title: Forget about the Black vote for repubs
Post by: ccp on February 22, 2019, 05:16:19 AM
As know it is about "reparations" all along

Try competing with promises of  cold hard cash :

https://theweek.com/speedreads/825066/elizabeth-warren-backs-reparations-black-americans
Title: Clumsy Kamala, 3 strikes
Post by: DougMacG on February 22, 2019, 08:53:50 PM
https://freebeacon.com/columns/clumsy-kamala/

Very weak field so far.
Title: 2020 Presidential election, NYT: Klobuchar is a (bitch) verified
Post by: DougMacG on February 22, 2019, 09:18:43 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-staff.html
Dozens of sources.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, NYT: Klobuchar is a (bitch)
Post by: G M on February 22, 2019, 10:43:36 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-staff.html

There is a story where she made her staff shave her legs.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, NYT: Klobuchar is a (bitch)
Post by: DougMacG on February 23, 2019, 01:14:32 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-staff.html

There is a story where she made her staff shave her legs.

Eeewww!!  Yuch!  I'd prefer waterboarding.  Just like the NYT to do a hit ipiece on a Dem and leave out the worst details.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, NYT: Klobuchar is a (bitch)
Post by: G M on February 23, 2019, 02:02:57 AM
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/02/veep-amy-klobuchar-leg-shaving-rumor.html




https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-staff.html

There is a story where she made her staff shave her legs.

Eewwww
Eeewww!!  Yuch!  I'd prefer waterboarding.  Just like the NYT to do a hit ipiece on a Dem and leave out the worst details.
Title: Sen. Amy 'Bad Boss' Klobuchar
Post by: DougMacG on February 23, 2019, 06:21:18 AM
The story is out there now, guaranteed as accurate as Russian collusion, the FISA applications and the Steele dossier.

Speaking of honest media, will SNL cover this?
Title: Re: Sen. Amy 'Bad Boss' Klobuchar
Post by: G M on February 23, 2019, 09:07:29 AM
The story is out there now, guaranteed as accurate as Russian collusion, the FISA applications and the Steele dossier.

Speaking of honest media, will SNL cover this?

Only if Dollar Palace Hillary were a republican.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 25, 2019, 08:14:20 PM
Killibrand on FOX Special Report tonight.  What a nothing she is.
Title: Some Dems worry about the Latino vote
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 27, 2019, 09:58:42 AM


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/24/2020-hispanic-voters-donald-trump-225192?fbclid=IwAR3tqOpOzS6VPSx8P4_gjLiMn4LJOtyFMa1PfyAt5-t6MCYF5Mvm4oDw-H8
Title: Cohen ain't goin to change a thing
Post by: ccp on February 27, 2019, 01:20:12 PM
cohen - so what
as Rush said, NOTHING we don't already know
let the Dems masturbate

Dons polls will not budge!
same as (almost no matter) whatever Meowler comes out with.



Title: When Kamala Harris was SF DA
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 07, 2019, 09:37:44 AM


https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-kamala-harris-crime-lab-scandal-20190306-story.html?fbclid=IwAR3a29rmw7M0fJn0J9Uzv_4bQuU-7wzYaiF9ardAr9v_i9jWaneSMw-c980
Title: 2020 Presidential election, Hickenlooper!
Post by: DougMacG on March 07, 2019, 12:19:34 PM
https://www.denverpost.com/2019/03/04/john-hickenlooper-presidential-annoucement/

This changes everything.
Title: What a Trump landslide would look like
Post by: DougMacG on March 07, 2019, 12:37:04 PM
https://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2019/03/03/7-signs-trump-will-landslide-2020-n2542498

This is not out of the question.  A number of things would have to come together, good economy, weak opponent(s) and no stupid stuff by Trump.

On Wednesday Nov 4 2020 enter 'Trump Landslide' in the forum search function and see if they got it right.
Title: Being a crat no longer protecting anyone who is white male
Post by: ccp on March 14, 2019, 08:26:04 AM
you reap what you sow , you dumb jerks:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/13/left-mocks-betos-messiah-esque-born-to-run-remarks-peak-white-male-privilege/
Title: Re: Being a crat no longer protecting anyone who is white male
Post by: DougMacG on March 15, 2019, 09:39:03 AM
you reap what you sow , you dumb jerks:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/13/left-mocks-betos-messiah-esque-born-to-run-remarks-peak-white-male-privilege/

Yes we are about to see the tactics of the Left turned against the Left. 

Get comfortable and pass the popcorn.  We've got more than a year of this to watch.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: G M on March 15, 2019, 09:45:05 AM
The left always devours it’s self.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Hey Beto...
Post by: DougMacG on March 15, 2019, 09:59:43 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-orourke/democrat-beto-orourke-barnstorms-iowa-after-jumping-into-presidential-race-idUSKCN1QV13C

Ban air travel.  'Beto' strongly endorsed the Green New Deal, saying: "Not to be dramatic, but literally, the future of the world depends on us right now here where we are." https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/03/14/beto_orourke_on_green_new_deal_literally_the_future_of_the_world_depends_on_us.html

‘We face catastrophe and crisis on this planet,’ he declared, asserting that climate change will unleash ‘massive migration of tens or hundreds of millions of people from countries that are literally uninhabitable or under water.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6810365/PIERS-MORGAN-Beto-ORourke-loser-running-lies-slogan-Americans-die.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus&__twitter_impression=true
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Hey Beto, How did you get to Iowa?  How are you getting home?  Wind powered rail?  El Paso to Sioux City is 2 days by bus.  Your opponent will be jetting to his stadium rallies, 2 or 3 per day without missing any meeting in Washington.

Without air travel, well-to-do Iowans can choose between vacationing in southern Minnesota or Nebraska.  (

Hey Beto (continued), Did you mention banning beef in Iowa?

Trump wont ban beef, but he will bring up the issue in Iowa.  Three percent of US population is vegetarian.  A little lower on an Iowa cattle farm.

The liberal utopia lives only on the coasts, and even there, only in fiction. 

Beto "supported bills that boosted the fossil fuel industry".
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/20/beto-orourke-congressional-votes-analysis-capital-and-main
That won't come up in the Dem debates...

Hey Beto, If you're not the most authentic lib in the race, what exactly do you bring?  Accomplishment?  lol.
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Beto's hand movements:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGwV6iaeaJM

Beto's accomplishments:
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/11/02/ted-cruz-beto-orourke-congressional-accomplishments-texas/
O'Rourke under Obama named a federal courthouse in El Paso and passed two other co-sponsored amendments into law, tuition assistance and veteran appeals, over his 6 years.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: G M on March 15, 2019, 02:57:27 PM
Beta-male O'Rourke
Title: Gringo O'Rourke gets nipped by Anderson Cooper
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 15, 2019, 03:59:24 PM
https://www.theblaze.com/news/anderson-cooper-notices-beto-orourke-has-a-lot-of-merchandise-on-his-website-not-a-lot-of-substance?utm_content=bufferc363b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=glennbeck&fbclid=IwAR1bI7PoYGH_ScQ7QSLPLWuR_0D8b9k67OkrMfQ8KAKxJKbxKz2PRmcrG-8
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election - Joe Biden
Post by: DougMacG on March 17, 2019, 09:11:24 AM
Joe Biden is a unique person in unique times so a look at other candidates in history is only a guide.  As the frontrunner, he is relevant but not too many people think he really will be the nominee, or the President.  His appeal tends to be stronger in some states where Trump tipped the last race so maybe he is feared most by Trump.

Democrats have never elected a former VP to be President. (Other than LBJ who was running as incumbent President in 1964, not as a former VP.)

Only 3 times did the candidate leading at this point go on to become the Democrat nominee, Mondale in 1984, Al Gore in 2000 and Hillary Clinton in 2016.  All lost.

In a time where media and Democratic operatives (redundancy alert) want to hold Trump accountable for his loose grip on facts and truth, same group should go back and review the VP debate 2008 of Biden versus Sarah Palin.  At the time, the attention was on Palin but someone on their side ought to go back and fact check old crazy Joe before they nominate him.  He makes Trump look detail oriented in comparison.

Joe has big baggage no matter which side of it all you stand on.  For the liberals, there is a vote or a quote on almost every issue out there to use back against him.  For the right, he can be held to account for every failed policy of the Obama years, the plane load of cash to Iran for example, the apology tour, the open border and so on.

Then there is the creepy Joe thing.  The wandering hands haven't fully been vetted, only laughed about.  Is all of that okay?  There are youtube compilations but there will eventually be people coming forward to talk about it, either same or worse than the last two accusers that brought Al Franken down.

Somewhere in the discussion is the unite the party challenge.  Like Hillary Clinton, he polls best when he is silent, hiding, not commenting, and not declared as a candidate.  On that count he is performing brilliantly, but next month 'they say' he will announce and need to make a big splash.  Like Hillary, he has mediocre candidate skills.  Like Hillary, he is not larger than life, does not command a room like a Kennedy, Reagan or even a Bill Clinton.  Like Hillary, he is seen as more moderate than others, but in her case she adopted Bernie's positions to defeat him and carried those stance into the election, diametrically opposed to what worked for her husband, 24 and 20 years earlier.  The extremely long election contest does not favor him. 

Biden can go Left early to try to keep Bernie, Kamala, Beto and the gang down, but then lose the moderate edge he supposedly has in the general election.  The 24/7/365 public eye no longer allows candidates to change their message for every audience.  'Folks' in the California primary are hearing what the candidates say in Iowa.  Barack Obama pulled off the blank canvas, empty words campaign of platitudes in 2008.  By 2010, 2012 and 2014, he had a record and was mostly held to more specific stances. 

Biden is a human demonstration of how a resume needs to be a list of accomplishments, not just timeline of where you spent your time.  For Trump we have a thread and can certainly point to 200-300 major accomplishments easily.  For Joe Biden, not so much.

Lastly, he is a gaffe machine. 
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/a-brief-history-of-joe-biden-gaffes-337489987777

What is YOUR favorite Biden gaffe?  And what will be the new ones?  Do people just laugh those off as old, crazy Joe or are they more serious now that he is running for Commander in Chief, leader of the free world?  Is the standard lower because of Trump or do Democrats demand in their candidate a level of accuracy and maturity they don't see in Trump?  Time will shortly tell.
Title: Sanders campaign staff
Post by: ccp on March 17, 2019, 09:41:31 AM
in collusion with United Food and Commercial Workers:   https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/03/16/workers-unite-the-sanders-campaign-announced-their-staff-is-unionizing-n2543219

what a laugh
no communism here folks -  :wink:

from the guy who established sister city in USSR during his mayorial stunt , I mean stint as mayor Burlington NH
someone just told me the cities are no longer "sister"
Title: Re: Sanders campaign staff
Post by: DougMacG on March 17, 2019, 11:43:09 AM
"someone just told me the cities are no longer "sister" "

Maybe he lost interest when they were no longer Soviet Socialist.
Title: 2020 Presidential election - How's it going?
Post by: DougMacG on March 21, 2019, 07:33:46 AM
VDH's column today expresses a good part of what I was thinking on the race.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/can_trump_win_again_in_2020_139809.html
"the 2020 election is likely Trump's to win or lose"
"Trump does not exist in a vacuum. In 2016, many voters preferred Trump because he was not the unpopular Hillary Clinton.  In 2020, there will be an even starker choice. Trump, now an incumbent, will likely run on the premise that he is the only thing standing between voters and socialism."

"The Green New Deal, a wealth tax, a top marginal income tax rate of 70 percent, the abolition of ICE, the abolition of the Electoral College, reparations, legal infanticide as abortion, the cancellation of student debt, free college tuition, Medicare for all and the banning of private insurance plans are not winning, 51 percent issues."
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I would add, yesterday was the 1st day of spring in a race that essentially started after the midterm votes were counted last fall.   In these months, no one (other than Trump) has grabbed our attention.  Yes it's better to peak later but you have to be in the race later to do that.  Beto does not look like Bobby Kennedy, sorry, and he doesn't have a cause.  Expunging marijuana conviction records isn't the lead issue for a Commander in Chief.  Cory started his gaffes before announcing.  Gillibrand brings nothing new.  Warren looks like the weakest matchup with Trump, could be the first to drop out.  Kamala cannot be the first African American President.  She could be the first woman President, but right now some pretty boring men are leading all the women by substantial starting margins.

None of them have talked national security yet and none of them will.  It's not a [far Left] Democratic issue.

On Presidential issues, their quest for far-Left justices and to 'pack the Court' also do not pass any 51% threshold.

Hickenlooper is a little more reasonable than others (low bar) but how does he get traction?  He built a business, ran a city and a medium sized state, but cannot form a sentence to define socialism or capitalism or give an indication of where he falls on that spectrum.  He started a micro brew worth [and Schultz a coffee chain worth billions]; good luck explaining to the left side of the electorate how those important feats made us better off.  Trump built a business, sort of.  Beto, Kamala, Bernie, Amy, Cory, Biden, Kirsten, etc. didn't.  It's not something they recognize as an accomplishment.  Don't forget, he opposed pot legalization and he supports fracking! 

Polling best against Trump is Bernie and polling best among Democrats is Biden.  In either case we know that don't have youth, charisma, accomplishment or any mystique. They don't a record of running anything and we know for sure they don't have another level to raise it to if elevated to the top of the ticket.  Bernie can't talk out of both sides of  his mouth like Bill Clinton and Biden can't talk out of either.

One of my pet peeves, how come we don't get to vote their national leaders up or down.  This crew is the back benchers.  Reagan should have run against Tip O'Neill and Trump should be facing off against Pelosi or Schumer.  But no.  Democrats want the blank slate candidate without the dourness and the baggage.  Problem is they aren't blank slate anymore after they endorse the agenda of Ocasio-Chavez.

They search for the next Obama 2008, but this isn't then and Obama's own magic would not work in all situations either.  Without ever being confronted by the media, his coattails were gone as soon as his first major legislation passed.  He lost the House in 2010, the Senate in 2014, was very beatable in 2012 and couldn't get his anointed successor elected in 2016.  So much for magic - and permanent majorities!

Trump is readier than anyone since Reagan to run against socialism. That leaves Dems two choices.  Run right into the trap or run someone who rejects the only  energy people on their side.

As VDH said, this is Trump's to win or lose.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election - Mayor Pete Buttigieg (buddha judge)
Post by: DougMacG on March 21, 2019, 09:44:50 AM
I fear Mayor Pete more than Bernie Biden Beto Warren Kamala Cory Amy Hickenlooper combined.  Another white guy will pass up the women and blacks in the Dem race.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/03/20/pete_buttigieg_the_most_important_job_of_an_elected_leader_is_to_bring_people_together.html

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/-both-the-sizzle-and-the-steak-mayor-pete-a-rising-star-in-the-2020-field-1461913667577

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Buttigieg

Issues will be the test of how he can be smart, pro-American and win the Dem endorsement at the same time.

Headline:  Gay candidate supports back door entry to single payer healthcare
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-does-pete-buttigieg-believe-where-the-candidate-stands-on-7-issues
https://www.vox.com/2015/2/9/8001173/all-payer-rate-setting
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election - Mayor Pete Buttigieg (buddha judge)
Post by: G M on March 24, 2019, 02:37:53 PM
A gay guy named Buttigieg? Who is in the Navy? Ah, the jokes write themselves...

If this guy got the nomination, can you imagine how the fiercely heterosexual Cori Booker would be kicking himself...



I fear Mayor Pete more than Bernie Biden Beto Warren Kamala Cory Amy Hickenlooper combined.  Another white guy will pass up the women and blacks in the Dem race.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/03/20/pete_buttigieg_the_most_important_job_of_an_elected_leader_is_to_bring_people_together.html

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/-both-the-sizzle-and-the-steak-mayor-pete-a-rising-star-in-the-2020-field-1461913667577

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Buttigieg

Issues will be the test of how he can be smart, pro-American and win the Dem endorsement at the same time.

Headline:  Gay candidate supports back door entry to single payer healthcare
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-does-pete-buttigieg-believe-where-the-candidate-stands-on-7-issues
https://www.vox.com/2015/2/9/8001173/all-payer-rate-setting
Title: Foreigners working for Sanders campaign
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 26, 2019, 06:31:24 AM


"Bernie Sanders was hit with a complaint [last] week, claiming his presidential campaign violated federal election laws by employing non-Americans in advisory positions. A new complaint by the Coolidge Reagan Foundation filed with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) notes that three members of the Sanders campaign are foreign nationals, which appears to be a violation of federal election laws that prohibit foreign interference." (Fox New)
Title: Re: Foreigners working for Sanders campaign
Post by: DougMacG on March 26, 2019, 07:31:04 PM
"Bernie Sanders was hit with a complaint [last] week, claiming his presidential campaign violated federal election laws by employing non-Americans in advisory positions. A new complaint by the Coolidge Reagan Foundation filed with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) notes that three members of the Sanders campaign are foreign nationals, which appears to be a violation of federal election laws that prohibit foreign interference." (Fox New)

As I understand it, that law applies only to Republican campaigns.



Title: 2020 Presidential election: Tim Ryan in, D-OH
Post by: DougMacG on April 04, 2019, 09:31:27 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/437355-tim-ryan-announces-presidential-run
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Good timing, he will be taking Biden's place.  Also note that Hick and Amy did not catch on.  Considered too 'moderate' to win the nomination but would supposedly pose a challenge to Trump in the 'rust belt' states if nominated.

Watching some youtubes of him, I don't find him or his message appealing, but he should offer a counter to the AOC wing and some fireworks in the debates.
Title: 2020 Presidential election, Kamala Harris, The Atlantic
Post by: DougMacG on April 08, 2019, 09:41:00 AM
This is a pretty good backgrounder on Kamala for those of us that don't know her:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/05/kamala-harris-2020-campaign/586033/

As the pack sorts itself out, and if or when Biden or Bernie sputter, who will emerge?  At this point Kamala and Mayor Pete seem to be the only ones who might still be standing.

Harris is trying to avoid taking specific positions but is far Left and will have to go far Left to compete with Bernie, and Bernie looks to be in for the duration.

From the article:

"In Washington, she hasn’t done much—let’s be honest, who in the Senate has in recent years? She introduced a few bills: one, with Kentucky Republican Rand Paul, to study reforming the cash-bail system; another, with 13 Democratic colleagues, to begin addressing the high mortality rates black women face in childbirth. She also introduced, with fellow Democratic presidential candidate Cory Booker and Republican Tim Scott, a bill to make lynching a hate crime."


The more I learn the less I fear her.  Obama called her the best looking state Attorney General.  Looking closer over a longer period, she isn't that good looking.  She certainly has 'color' by leftist definition but she isn't that black.  She is bi-racial and not a descendant of American slaves as "black" in the US is often intended to mean.  Her husband (she married at 50) is white.  Like Obama, she went to all the best schools, didn't overcome some big disadvantage or accomplish something of note.  They briefly cover her Willie Brown affair that jump-started her career.  She took two tries to pass the California bar.  Her DA and AG experience is certainly something of note, but like Amy Klobuchar, they have staff that try cases.  It's not like she was some master prosecutor or came to power by winning some amazing case.  She increased the conviction rate of her department indicating some competence.  She also had controversies.

Mostly from our point of view, she will not be able to separate herself from the far Left people and policies in the general election.  Trump wants to run economic success against socialism and she falls perfectly into the trap.  Rising to power quickly in California and raising large amounts of money in California does not win over centrists in Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida, IMHO.
Title: buttibieg
Post by: ccp on April 08, 2019, 09:44:16 AM
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/04/07/the_young_turks_panel_the_truth_about_pete_buttigieg_hype.html

major lib "more clever than Obama" in pretending he is more in the middle

Don't think he's hasn't got the rich gay donors including those in  the MS/entertainment mediums opening up their wallets and willingness to create the "BUZZ" about him.


like they do in the entertainment industry when coming out with new movie or record
Title: 2020 Presidential nomination, It's over, Biden by a plurality
Post by: DougMacG on April 09, 2019, 07:02:12 AM
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html
Joe Biden is up by 17 points after his big scandal.
Latest Poll  The Hill  4/5-6
Biden  36
Sanders  19
Harris  9
O'Rourke  7
Warren  6
Booker  6
Buttigieg  4
Klobuchar  2
Gillibrand  2
Yang  1
Castro  1

It's a plurality because 64% of his own party aren't with the frontrunner. 
Too early of course to say it's over by about a year and a half but this poll is full of useful information.  I retract my obit on Biden's candidacy; he just survived his crisis and leads a crowded field by 17 points!  He gaffed by joking about it and still leads so he has survived both the touchy feely stuff and the reminder of his gaffe habit.  Dems have low standards.  I was going to say he is Hillary without the scandals but didn't he intervene with a foreign power to save his son from prosecution?
https://www.theepochtimes.com/ukrainian-prosecutor-reopens-corruption-case-involving-biden_2869878.html
This won't stop him if nothing else did.

I guess the Dem nomination will be decided by a plurality, less than a majority all the way through.  Biden with his nothingness is in a better position to unite the different interests than Bernie with his soviet specificity.  Warren is toast, should be the first to drop out.  If she cares about advancing her issues, strangely, Bernie has more appeal.  I think I can say beyond political bias, Warren doesn't wear well.

Kamala age 54 is first place of the 'younger' crowd, therefore she is not likely to drop out until mathematically eliminated, if then.

Beto hasn't fizzled yet or caught on.  He is of no substance, not likely to pass the others.

People like Buttgig (sp?) but is only at 4% after a big splash (it's early).  He's young, more likely to be VP than win top of the ticket.  By taking on Pence yesterday, he may already be running for VP.`

By embracing a reparations commission, Booker is going after a niche.  If blacks go with Booker and Harris, that leaves Bernie and Biden support looking very white.

Klobuchar, raised some money, is not catching on.  Hickenlooper not even mentioned.  Tim Ryan likewise, no one clamoring for him to get more attention.  I guess they are running in the Biden lane.  If Biden holds where he is, they have no role in the race.  Gillibrand is running as a woman, probably needs one more strength and doesn't have it.  Harris might win those genital specific voters.  Julian Castro, if he hasn't caught on yet why would he later?

From my point of view I guess the wish is for all of these lightweights to do well and split the vote.  The better young Mayor Pete looks in the debates the worse Dems look for choosing old Biden.  The better Kamala does, the more the vote splits, lowering the support of the front runners.  The better Bernie does, the more divided the party is.  The better Biden does, the more likely the next generation gets locked out for another cycle. 

Both Biden and Bernie will be older during the campaign than Reagan was leaving office after two terms.

Like Chris Christy, those with dying campaigns who stay in will need to attack frontrunners to stay relevant.  Bernie needs to differentiate from Biden and Kamala from both of them unless this just going to be a boring, substance-free lovefest coronation.

If Dems go moderate, the energy of the party is left out.  If Dems go far left, a moderate independent will jump in to the general election and divide the vote.

Our flawed candidate looks better and better as you see the alternatives.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 10, 2019, 06:26:18 PM
https://presscorp.org/news/trump-job-approval-jumps-to-53
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Democratic nomination
Post by: DougMacG on April 17, 2019, 08:34:33 AM
Trump predicts 'Crazy Bernie Sanders,' 'Sleepy Joe Biden' will be 2 Dem 'finalists' in 2020 race

Trump is not a disinterested party so this is most likely gamesmanship.

At this point Bernie has the crowd enthusiasm and plenty of money.  His only stumble is to be himself, an admitted socialist, and that does not scare off his supporters.  Somehow old is endearing to his young supporters.  Bernie has the energy.  His plurality, 16-29% (of Democrats) in different polls is enough to win and hold delegates all the way to the convention no matter what else happens.  His national general election polls aren't a disqualifier either, just a little weaker than Biden but leading Trump before the campaign begins.

Warren is not catching on but also competes for delegates and white women(?) if she stays in.

Buttigieg is the "flavor of the month", offers an alternative, is not conservative or moderate and is not trusted by the Left.  He will win all of the male gay vote and plenty of white elites.  He is a VP possibility especially if a woman wins the nomination.  A male Democratic nominee will presumably have to choose a woman for VP.

Beto is a bust.  Latest is that he gave 0.2% of his married wealth income to charity.  He answers by saying he is giving himself instead of money, by running for President to save us.  He adds noting to the race.

Hick, Amy, Inslee, etc, also nothing.

Is Kamala Harris the next flavor of the month?  She is an almost black woman in a party of identity politics.  California has a lot of Democrat delegates assuming she is popular there.  At the least, she and Corey Booker can pull black votes away from Bernie, Beto, Biden and Buttiegig.  Mayor Pete already apologized for his 'crowds' being "too white".  If the black activists get invested in black candidates and it gets contentious, they don't switch back enthusiastically to the eventual white at top of the ticket. cf. Hillary.  That gives an advantage back to Harris.  But what else sets her apart, not policy, not accomplishments, not life story.

And then there is Joe Biden.  How does that gaffe machine last one year and two months to the convention?  If he does, it will be unconvincingly, leading but not clinching if things look at all then like they do now.  He reminds me of Hillary.  Great resume if you just look at the places they've been and not what they;'ve accomplished.  Weak, over-rated candidate. 

So Trump gets to either run against weak or run against socialism.  Polls that show Biden recently up by 13 make me think Trump could win 35 states.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 17, 2019, 09:11:25 AM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/04/a-reckoning-is-in-store-for-democrats-in-2020/

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on April 18, 2019, 05:49:42 PM
best we can do is stand firm against the hysteria and win house, senate, and wh in '20
we are going to have to endure the crap for the next almost 2 yrs


Title: 20 in for 2020 Presidential Dem nomination
Post by: DougMacG on April 23, 2019, 07:11:02 AM
I hope they all stay in but it must be discouraging to put all that effort into Iowa New Hampshire and have your poll ratings near zero or in the single digits an falling.

Elizabeth Warren in Iowa, dropped from 9 to 6 in the last month in Iowa, dropped from 9-5 in her own neighboring New Hampshire.  Switched to talking impeachment now that Trump was exonerated.  Good luck Liz!

Amy Klobuchar whose only chance is Iowa to catch on (because she speaks midwestern?) is at 4 in Iowa.  Even if she was at 100% of Democrats she would be underdog to win an electoral vote in Iowa.  Amy at 2% in NH.  Rounds easily to zero with margin of error included.

Gillibrand at 1, Julian Castro at zero, way to lock in that women and Hispanic vote.

Booker falls from 6 top 4 in Iowa, after how many appearances?

Kamala Harris fell from 10 to 6 in Iowa, fell from 7 to 4 in NH.  Maybe she wasn't tough enough accusing boy scout Kavanaugh of being a gang rape organizer. 

Beto at 5% of Democrats in Iowa.  Add to all these, zero percent of Republicans.  Beto dropped from 6 to 3 in NH.  At that rate he hits zero in May unless his mom lives there.

The more people get to know the candidates, the less they like them.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-6731.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_presidential_primary-6276.html

Mayor Pete (on the upswing) is Not Ready [to 'inundate people with policy minutia'], because his historic 7% support will drop instantly with specifics.  Plus he's still working on municipal sewer issues.
Title: Dems go radical
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 25, 2019, 04:52:25 AM
https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/24/2020-democrats-radical-policies/?utm_medium=email
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on April 25, 2019, 08:42:58 AM
I don't believe the Biden poll where he is ahead of Trump by 8
the day after he announces suddenly this comes out to re write the landscape

we will see

that said the Dems doing great damage to Trump who then in turns falls right into the traps they set for him.

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 25, 2019, 09:32:58 AM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/46381/report-mccain-family-will-back-joe-biden-bid-emily-zanotti?utm_source=cnemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=042519-news&utm_campaign=position1
Title: VP Joe Biden & Son in the Chinese Swamp, Kerry's son too
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 25, 2019, 09:34:28 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5507429/Bidens-son-Hunter-deal-Bank-China-fathers-trip.html
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on April 25, 2019, 01:46:09 PM
I don't believe the Biden poll where he is ahead of Trump by 8
the day after he announces suddenly this comes out to re write the landscape

we will see

that said the Dems doing great damage to Trump who then in turns falls right into the traps they set for him.

ccp,  I don't believe it either but Biden or Democrats leading Trump in polls up until election day is not inconsistent with either Trump winning 35 states or Trump losing the election.  Most likely as you suggest the poll with the campaign launch is designed to intimidate opponents and create its own truth and momentum.  Polling lead is the only strength he has.  Pull that curtain and he nothing else to lean on.
Title: Biden 2020
Post by: G M on April 25, 2019, 01:54:36 PM
Make America grope again!

(https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/handsy_biden_logo_4-25-19-1-800x737.jpg)

Title: new guy running
Post by: ccp on May 02, 2019, 07:32:40 AM
he could deliver  "the cancer vote" to the Dems

since they are all about identity politics
:

first guy running for a major political  office with prostate cancer :

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/sen-michael-bennet-everything-know-presidential-candidate-121837027--abc-news-topstories.html

actually Guliani already deserves that honor come to think of it.

And I am not mocking anyone with cancer,  (not funny)  but just displaying the absurdity of the Dem identity politics game which is a joke
Title: This looks ominous , , ,
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 04, 2019, 07:22:28 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/04/us/politics/nancy-pelosi.html?ad-keywords=SMARTNEWS12&fbclid=IwAR0tBDPiSlfje-fkXwcQdV7qqCCyZwtpzw02sOqwT74OdGBibz8uwLD4WHE
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Michael Bennet, D-CO, Meet the Press
Post by: DougMacG on May 06, 2019, 06:21:12 AM
Just as Hickenlooper was about to take off (sarc.), his former chief of staff jumps in. 

Former Denver schools superintendent, for editor of Yale law review, he jumped in with not much fanfare.  As a generic Democrat, "pragmatic idealist", I would like to answer his (boring monotone) Meet the Press appearance yesterday point by point - just for practice.  Someone should have interrupted him and called him out on Democrat nonsense. 

By singling him out the unnoticed for criticism, I probably help him more than I hurt him.  Here is Michael Bennet with one T.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-may-5-2018-n1002141

"I believe that the freest kind of government is self-government, and that we have an obligation to preserve the democratic institutions that 230 years of Americans have preserved for us, and that our children are going to need to resolve their differences, but we seem to be so cavalier about destroying. And you know, the idea that we're going to run down the rathole that the Freedom Caucus has taken us down over the last ten years, in their tyrannical way, I think would be a huge mistake[/b]."

   - He ties "freedom caucus" to "tyranny"?  By what stretch of logic?  No one follows up this contradiction?  Democrats always need to start their argument with a lie.

"You know, I think, based on the polling that you just cited, where, where the majority of people say that the House should continue to investigate, and then we should make a decision, down the road, about whether to impeach or not and then, obviously, to convict or not in the Senate, I think that's exactly right. And that's what we should do."

   - Running for leader of the free world, he would follow the polling. Bold. Aren't lead and follow exact opposites.  Investigate more where there is no evidence of a crime.  Why?  Democratic polls.

"You know, Mueller should testify. We should have the full, unredacted report."

   - Break Grand Jury rules?  Disrupt ongoing investigations?  Why not.  Chuck Todd isn't going to call him out on this either.  Surprise.

"obvious -- I mean, to me, it seems fairly clear, from the evidence, that he has committed impeachable offenses."

   - Name one? Conspira-bstruction?

"Well, I agree, first of all, with the Democrats that you quoted earlier in the program, that Mueller ought to resign. It's disgraceful, what he's done, how he’s behaved --

CHUCK TODD:
You mean Mueller or Barr? You mean Barr, right?

SEN. MICHAEL BENNET:
"I'm sorry, Barr, Barr."

    - How come the Yale people aren't really any smarter than the rest of us.  But if Trump mis-speaks, he's a moron.  Still, what about his intended point.  Barr should resign - for being honest?  For following the rule of law?  For not agreeing to be bullied, smeared?

[Summarizing Mueller's work] "he could not clear the president of committing the crime of - of conspir -- of, of obstruction."

   - Oops, (1) mis-speak again.  (2) Mueller's job wasn't to clear innocent people, and (3)obstruction of what?  The crimes committed by the deep state?  Again, Yale law school and shows no knowledge of the law or legal process.  Worse understanding than a layman, or is he just dishonestly pandering to the sheep?

CHUCK TODD:
All right, let me move to, if you run against Donald Trump. Because I want to show you these economic numbers: 3.6% unemployment, 263,000 jobs created in April, 3.2% wages, are, 3.2% wage increase. Consumer confidence is fairly high. Look, there are a lot of voters out there who say, "All right, I don't like Donald Trump's character. But the economy is humming. And I vote pocketbook." What do you talk -- How do you convince that voter not to vote their pocketbook, if they like this economy?

SEN. MICHAEL BENNET:
So I’d say -- No, people will, people will vote their pocketbook. [Trump wins.] But Chuck, we're in the tenth year of a recovery that started in 2009, when Barack Obama was president. If you look at the job-creation numbers along that trajectory, over that ten years, [There wasn't one trajectory; there was stagnation and there was growth.  He is not a math guy I guess.] it goes just like this. So Donald Trump is elected in the last two years. And I will confess, even he couldn't screw up the momentum that we had been going on for the eight years that he got elected. [So Trump didn't screw things up.] The difficulty is that, when you're in a state like mine, Colorado, which has one of the most-dynamic economies in the world, not just in America, people still -- most people can't afford housing. They can't afford healthcare. They can't afford higher education. They can't afford early childhood education. [Democrat-run wasn't the solution and THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE EXACT MARKETS THAT GOVERNMENT ENTERED AND CONTROLS, MAKING ALL THEIR MAJOR IDEAS WRONG.]  They can't afford a middle-class lifestyle. And Donald Trump has done nothing to help with that [Grow wages finally- where Democrats couldn't, didn't.], nothing to help with that. Second point I would make is, even if you feel like he's done the right thing by cutting taxes, which I don't, because he cut taxes on the wealthiest people in America, mostly, even if you feel like he's done the right thing in a regulatory way or taken on China in a way you like, the fact that he has built his entire political career on dividing Americans, not uniting Americans, on destroying our institutions, on going after the free press, on violating the rule of law and being proud of that, on playing patsy to dictators, like Putin and the North Korea dictator just this week. [Pivot off the question, admit losing.]  I mean, here, he's saying, "I'm with him." He says, "I'm with him. I know he wouldn't do anything to hurt his economy." North Koreans are starving, because of what he and his father have done to their economy. So we got to keep our eye -- There are many, many ways that Donald Trump's threadbare record is available to us to beat him in November 2020. It would be a disaster, if we lost to him again. 

    - Did he really just say that rich Coloradans can't afford early childhood education because of Trump?  Watch for his surge in the polls on that!  I don't know where NK is heading, but it wasn't in the question and Trump is the one who has called them out and started to deal with the threat unlike predecessors in both parties.

I think he can't construct a complete sentence or a coherent thought, not because he's dumb or Yale Law School doesn't teach that, but because he knows Trump is doing a great job and deserves reelection.  He has to dissemble to speak against obvious truth.  It would be easier for him to switch sides and embrace truth.  )

He agreed the Trump economy is great.  He identified Russia and NK as threats, same as what Trump is addressing and he identified the Democrat attempts to control housing, healthcare and higher education sectors as failures while the free markets succeed.

All good arguments to vote Trump.
Title: 2020 Presidential election, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio in Iowa
Post by: DougMacG on May 18, 2019, 09:12:39 AM
He traveled 1300 miles to speak to exactly 24 people.  3 were from NY and one was from Nebraska covering the event for Powerline:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/05/dave-begley-live-from-sioux-city.php

"event was in a very large room and the candidate had to compete with ten patrons ten feet from him who were eating and laughing away while completely ignoring him."
Running for President isn't as glamorous as it sounds.

Green New Deal requires banning cattle - in Iowa - and banning air travel.  Good luck with that.

Let me guess, de Blasio flew there and ate beef on the trip.

I wonder what percent of blue collar Sioux City thinks all the good ideas come out of NYC or wants to be governed by liberals on the coasts.

It reminds me of a David Burge Iowahawk question submitted to his reelection facebook townhall:

An $8 billion high speed train leaves Chicago for Iowa City at 8:15am at 40mph. Why?
https://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2011/07/questions-so-many-questions.html

For the record, Trump beat the former Senator from NY - Hillary by 10 points in swing state Iowa, 2016, winning 93 out of 99 counties, and he has been a far better President than ANYONE expected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Iowa
Title: The Great "uniter"
Post by: ccp on May 19, 2019, 10:11:50 AM
As soon as I hear someone on the Left or sometimes the Right as well that he / she is the one to unite this country I turn around and run away as fast as possible.

Yes I can unite says Joe (as long as we have a Democrat Party agenda with maybe one or two irrelevant minor tiny bones thrown out to conservatives:

https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/biden-was-projecting-when-he-called-trump-divider-in-chief/

He needs to be Borked.
Title: Re: The Great "uniter"
Post by: DougMacG on May 19, 2019, 11:32:31 AM
As soon as I hear someone on the Left or sometimes the Right as well that he / she is the one to unite this country I turn around and run away as fast as possible.

Yes I can unite says Joe (as long as we have a Democrat Party agenda with maybe one or two irrelevant minor tiny bones thrown out to conservatives:

https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/biden-was-projecting-when-he-called-trump-divider-in-chief/

He needs to be Borked.

Project (the verb) is what they do and it is surprisingly effective.
Title: Re-post from 6 years into Obama adminl Explain this (Obama economy data)
Post by: DougMacG on May 23, 2019, 06:01:51 AM
Biden:  This growth is from the Obama administration.  Really?
Butti: unnecessary tax cut for the very wealthiest, blah, blah.
I suppose it was unnecessary deregulation too, unless you like economic growth including wage growth and manufacturing jobs growth.  That wouldn't affect 40% of blacks living below the poverty line in South Bend Indiana, would it?

https://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=1467.msg77640#msg77640
Political Economics, War on Wealth is not the cure for poverty!

A war on income inequality is a war on wealth.  A successful war on wealth means that poverty will be even more widespread.  Instead of celebrating and wealth creation and spreading it to others, we punish it, demonize it, and instead reward the opposite - in all its manifestations.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110804/news/708049975/
Food stamp use nearly doubles in suburbs

The Sharp Rise in Disability Claims
http://www.richmondfed.org/publications/research/region_focus/2012/q2-3/pdf/feature3.pdf

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/90609000-americans-not-labor-force-climbs-another-record
90,609,000: Americans Not in Labor Force Climbs to Another Record - See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/90609000-americans-not-labor-force-climbs-another-record#sthash.jTKlYqis.dpuf

Women leaving the U.S. workforce in record numbers
http://www.catholic.org/business/story.php?id=46145
Unemployed women hit an all-time historical high of 53,321,000, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/11098797/#.Uqc8ZH8v1hs
U.S. savings rate hits lowest level since 1933
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-29/us-savings-rate-near-record-low-capita-disposable-income-below-december-2006-level

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/07/sessions-food-stamp-spending-up-100-percent-since-obama-took-office/
Food Stamp spending up 100% since Obama-(Biden) took office.

Yeah, Obama started all this, right.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 23, 2019, 01:28:14 PM


https://bigleaguepolitics.com/exclusive-general-mattis-planned-primary-run-against-trump-pence-was-also-considered-nikki-haley-was-tested-as-running-mate/
Title: 2020 Presidential election, Attacking Opponents Deferments
Post by: DougMacG on May 29, 2019, 09:19:06 AM
Butti and Seth (something) who served are criticizing Trump for avoiding military service in Vietnam.  Trump received 4 deferments for college and then was classified 1-Y, later called 4-F, unfit for military service because of bone spurs that Little Butti calls false.
Search NY Times Donald Trump Draft Record Aug 1 2016 or see:
https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/08/02/donald-trumps-draft-deferments/

Interestingly, Joe Biden had the exact same record with having had "Asthma" as a teenager as the stated reason for the 1-Y classification.
http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/biden-got-5-draft-deferments-during-nam-as-did-cheney-1.884250
(They couldn't write a story on Biden without comparing to Cheney.)

Connect those two dots.  Not wanting to be first to attack the frontrunner fellow Democrat, Butti is criticizing Biden for his military service avoidance in the most cowardly way possible, by attacking Trump and letting others spill the question over to Slow Joe.

If you have a problem with Biden's military service, say so.  If you are attacking both, attack both.  This is a just a bit to transparent to be unintentional.

In fact Trump did serve in the military for 4 years - as COMMANDER IN CHIEF.  He served voluntarily in that position with plenty of opportunities to step down, not as lieutenant in the reserves if we are going to make comparisons in leadership and experience.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Beto Apologizes
Post by: DougMacG on May 29, 2019, 12:03:37 PM
"Former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas) apologizes to staff on his 2018 Senate campaign for being a “giant asshole” "
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/445798-hbo-documentary-shows-beto-orourke-apologizing-to-staffers-for-being-a

   - Not the candidate that I thought would see himself as a “giant asshole”.
Title: Gringo O'Rourke on CNN
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 29, 2019, 03:29:40 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2019/05/22/beto-orourke-town-hall-drags-cnn-ratings-down-30/#7c958373196f
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on May 29, 2019, 03:47:45 PM
Bye bye beto

for '20

but he'll be back

in some way he will figure out how to be on the news

they always do.

they don't just fade away
they have to be shoved off the stage

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, latest Dem poll
Post by: DougMacG on June 01, 2019, 07:16:41 AM
Biden 36, Sanders 17, Harris 8, Warren 5, Buttigieg 5, O'Rourke 4

It's so early that nothing matters, but still ...

They are the ones who decided their race started so early and not one of them outside of perhaps Biden is seen as Presidential - by even their own supporters.

Butti: no traction after the big roll out.

If Warren dropped out and she won't, and transferred all her support to Bernie, it gives him almost nothing. 

If Hickenlooper, Bennett, Klobuchar or Inslee dropped out, no one would know.

Biden is a leader of nothing.  This group lacks a leader.  We've already heard all their positive arguments.  Now they only advance by the stumbles of their competitors
Title: "Biden 36, Sanders 17, Harris 8, Warren 5, Buttigieg 5, O'Rourke 4"
Post by: ccp on June 01, 2019, 09:23:14 AM
some thoughts from Doug's post:

1 ) Where is Sparticus ?
     I did a 7 th grade report on Sparticus ~ 1968.  (Can you imagine we had Latin class in those days - at least I got to learn how to      count Roman numerals.)   Amazing story . 
  The "neo  Sparticus" not so much.

2)  We know why Harris is even at 8 % - due to demographics - not talent or policies

3)  hard to believe Beto is still even as high as 4 %
Title: is Senate open for Dem win in '20?
Post by: ccp on June 05, 2019, 02:57:37 PM
real clear politics:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/06/04/is_gops_senate_majority_in_more_peril_than_we_think.html

The only constant is Trump .

We know his policies
We know his style
We know he cannot change
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Dem Leadership Dearth
Post by: DougMacG on June 10, 2019, 08:16:32 AM
It's stupid to follow polls this early but...

The latest poll has the same 5 names on top as the previous but with narrowing of the gaps.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

1. Biden, 2. Bernie. Old white men with slightly different stripes from a Dem point of view.  Neither will win the nomination.

Next is Warren, Harris, Buttigieg, two women and a gay with no differentiation in policies if they actually have any policies.

Most interesting is that none of the 19 others are getting any traction.

As always, no party leader in Washington will run for top of the party.  Not Pelosi, not Steny Hoyer, not Schumer and not Durbin.  They never considered running Tip O'Neill against Reagan and now they have absolutely no interest in seeing how these people who fight Trump everyday would do against him in a national contest.  The search for the Obama-like blank slate continues.  The less experience the better and so we get the utility billing guru from the second best run city in South Bend County.

Biden was caught in another plagiarism scandal in addition to all his other weaknesses.  Warren is divisive.  The more she excites her base, the more she energizes the right and turns off the rest of the country.  Bernie and Warren are driving in the same lane, the anti-American dream lane.   Buttigieg has no appeal so far beyond white elites but has nearly perfected the blank canvas. 

14% approve of the job Congress is doing.  Bernie, Warren and Harris currently serve in Congress and Biden who had no role in the Obama administration came from there. 
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html

Where are the two or more term, purple state governors?
Bullock?  Hickenlooper?
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/06/2020-candidates-president-guide/582598/

Take Beto lightly at your own risk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=42&v=9hV7h1DuotU
Title: what does anyone think of this?
Post by: ccp on June 12, 2019, 05:40:43 AM
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/06/11/poll-biden-leading-trump-up-from-2016-with-hispanic-and-black-voters/

This is only one poll and very early
but we know Trump is not going to change
so if this many people are against him then it is because of his style

And this is why I think he is in trouble.  He just cannot win over an extra 10 % with his style.

Hope I am wrong............. :-o
Title: Re: what does anyone think of this?
Post by: DougMacG on June 12, 2019, 10:53:14 AM
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/06/11/poll-biden-leading-trump-up-from-2016-with-hispanic-and-black-voters/

This is only one poll and very early
but we know Trump is not going to change
so if this many people are against him then it is because of his style

And this is why I think he is in trouble.  He just cannot win over an extra 10 % with his style.

Hope I am wrong............. :-o

This poll isn't right but Quinnipiac is as (un) reliable as any of them.  (How much did they have Hillary winning by at this point last time?)  They are reputable enough that I trust they talked to 1200 people.  Someone else can find out the bias of this sample.  They ask registered voters instead of likely voters, which is dumb and strangely not figured into the statistical error.  Polling companies don't even try to be accurate early.  Some poll has Biden leading Trump in Texas.  Like Trump winning Calif, these things only happen in a landslide - and this isn't going to be one.

Trumps approval and popularity is significantly better than when he beat Hillary and Biden will not be a stronger candidate than her.  Also, Biden won't be the candidate (and the race is not a national poll). 

To Biden's credit, Trump seems to fear him, so maybe Trump's polls are showing Biden strength too.

Biden will have to run wacko-Left to win endorsing, erasing some of his centrist support.  And Biden has not yet experienced Trump truly going after his easy to find weaknesses and he most certainly will.

Where people have money on the line, Trump has even odds and Biden is a long shot at second.  https://www.oddsshark.com/other/2020-usa-presidential-odds-futures

Some Trump voters are not going to tell that to pollsters.  That doesn't make up for 13 points but it is and will be a part of it.
Title: 2020 Presidential election, Charlie Cook Final Four
Post by: DougMacG on June 13, 2019, 11:30:00 AM
https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/who-will-make-final-four-democratic-field

Biden, Warren, Harris, Buttigieg
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: G M on June 13, 2019, 12:25:30 PM
"To Biden's credit, Trump seems to fear him, so maybe Trump's polls are showing Biden strength too."

Trump's attacks are intended to bolster Bad Touch Grandpa with the left. Bad Touch will still have to go hard left to win the nomination, then alienate the working class whites that are on the bubble between Trump and Bad Touch.

As far as the polls, the vast majority are just trying to push-poll the public.
Title: 2020 Presidential, Harris poling 4th - in California
Post by: DougMacG on June 14, 2019, 06:26:57 AM
A lot of the really smart people (sarc.) think Harris will emerge as the nominee. part of the logic is that she will pick up all those California delegates and then be acceptable to all as the others stumble.

LA Times poll today has Biden Bernie and Warren all leading Harris in California and booty not far behind. Early polls mostly don't matter but if Californians don't prefer her, no one will.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ca/california_democratic_primary-6879.html
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, first debate set
Post by: DougMacG on June 15, 2019, 06:23:25 AM
Night One: June 26
Cory Booker
Julián Castro
Bill de Blasio
John Delaney
Tulsi Gabbard
Jay Inslee
Amy Klobuchar
Beto O'Rourke
Tim Ryan
Elizabeth Warren

Night Two: June 27
Michael Bennet
Joseph R. Biden Jr.
Pete Buttigieg
Kirsten Gillibrand
Kamala Harris
John Hickenlooper
Bernie Sanders
Eric Swalwell
Marianne Williamson
Andrew Yang
Title: 2020 Presidential election, Klobuchar running 4th place n MN
Post by: DougMacG on June 16, 2019, 12:42:14 PM
Shortly after LA Times poll showed Harris running 4th in Calif, a new poll shows the 'popular' MN Senator Klobuchar running 4th in Minnesota.  [5th really because Trump will likely carry MN.]  She is the choice of only 16% of Democrats in her home state.  She has a better chance in Iowa where people don't know her.
http://www.startribune.com/minnesota-poll-puts-klobuchar-in-fourth-place/511361891/

Does anyone see any of the so called top tier candidates as Presidential?  Not Harris, not Klobuchar (not top tier), not Warren, not Biden, not Butti, not Booker, not Gillibrand and certainly not Bernie.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on June 16, 2019, 07:17:47 PM
"Does anyone see any of the so called top tier candidates as Presidential?  Not Harris, not Klobuchar (not top tier), not Warren, not Biden, not Butti, not Booker, not Gillibrand and certainly not Bernie."

No

but the polls Drudge keeps showing us are not encouraging.

If one defines "presidential" as including an honorable character then polls may be showing 
 the middle of the roaders have had enough of the character we have now in office.

I hope the polls are wrong and we do have a ton of time left . 



Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: G M on June 16, 2019, 07:28:11 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sam-wang-princeton-election-consortium-poll-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-victory-a7399671.html

"Does anyone see any of the so called top tier candidates as Presidential?  Not Harris, not Klobuchar (not top tier), not Warren, not Biden, not Butti, not Booker, not Gillibrand and certainly not Bernie."

No

but the polls Drudge keeps showing us are not encouraging.

If one defines "presidential" as including an honorable character then polls may be showing 
 the middle of the roaders have had enough of the character we have now in office.

I hope the polls are wrong and we do have a ton of time left .
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on June 17, 2019, 04:39:10 AM
"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sam-wang-princeton-election-consortium-poll-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-victory-a7399671.html"


True but he did lose the pop vote and he barely one in the iron belt states and due to a perfect outcome in Wi, Mi, Pa, Ohio, he did win electoral college.  And to my knowledge he simply has not expanded his base.  And I believe it is HIS character that is why he is stuck in 40s.
He could have just as much fight in him without the tweets the silly name calling making unnecessary enemies etc.

That all said I am pulling for him .
no one else would have gotten this far on the Repub side. 
 If we get butti pochahontas, obama lite plugs, the reparations queen , and bernie kruschev we can then kiss the nation goodbye forever.

If character is the reason he may be polling bad then he is in real trouble .  We know he can't change.
We could only hope enough people will see the Leftist as worse.  Same as 2016.

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on June 17, 2019, 08:03:29 AM
2016 score was 304 to 227 and some of her state wins were closer than his.  It was close but it was a shellacking in that he ran the table on those states.

Trump has gained with blacks, women and Hispanics since then.  5 or 10 points on the margin matter in key demographic groups.  He has a strong argument to make with gays as well if Butti is not the nominee.

These polls are wrong but a good early warning that he needs to behave, get his act together and play a perfect hand to win again.  Early polls were wrong with Carter, Reagan, Clinton and I don't know who else but that already makes more wrong than right and Trump out performs his polls because it isn't very fun to say you support Trump in a lot of circles.

The key generic determinant is the economy.  What are the growth numbers in Q1, Q2 and Q3 2020 which we obviously don't know yet.  What will be the public perception of the foreign policy issues that will dominate the news at that time, we obviously don't know yet.

The Dem nominee, let's say it's Biden, Butti or Harris, needs to turn left to win that and turn to the center to win the general, meanwhile take incoming arrows from Trump who has the bully pulpit.  How can the opponent not also be damaged goods in the end?  This will not an Obama v. McCain fight happening with no incumbent and a historically collapsing economy.

His trash talk of grabbing pussy and the Stormy Cohen Avanati thing is way behind him.  He is a model husband now.  )  The Russian collusion story sets him up to run as the underdog and outsider against the swamp and the system - again.

Like a long baseball season, all you can do is make every pitch, every swing of the bat, every ground ball throw out to first matter for every player on the team.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on June 17, 2019, 08:27:46 AM
yeah but the tweeting hurts him more than it helps in my ho

then calling everyone names is just beyond not helpful

and stop doing LONG standing Democrat OPERATIVE faux jornolist(er)  stefadouche interviews -  lying slimeball - remember when he first came on the scene for clinton with his starbucks coffees lying and sleazing every answer to every question that was thrown at him.  he was the first one to spin everything around beyond any common sense that I would think of.  Now it is common to do this but he brought it to a higher sleaze level from what I remember......

Trump of course thinks he is the smartest person in every  room but is still too freakin impulsive that he could not resist blurting out his first impulsive thought

I mean . ,  why would Trump go on this guys show if he wasn't convinced of his brilliance that he could handle Step who very fox like handled him  instead.

Well another reason for the poll numbers I guess could be the tariffs ......

Or that the LEFT juggernaught is finally having the effect it intends ......





Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on June 17, 2019, 11:11:19 AM
ccp,  I agree so you and I may be two among millions who disapprove but will vote for him.

This will be an election for the House, Senate, Presidency, and the Supreme Court and Democrats are running hard Left. If you have any non-Leftist leanings, you will have one choice for President.
Title: Klobuchar first 100 days
Post by: ccp on June 18, 2019, 03:01:17 PM
https://medium.com/@AmyforAmerica/amys-first-100-days-b7adf9f91262

nearly all social justice stuff and reversing EVERYTHING Trump has accomplished - over night .

Gotta love this one:

***Restore protections for journalists and protect the First Amendment. Senator Klobuchar will restore former Attorney General Eric Holder’s guidance on protections for journalists so that they are not jailed for doing their jobs.***

Can anyone name a single journalist in jail in the US?
No one on the right is shutting up journalists.  It is all coming from the LEFT
Title: Re: Klobuchar first 100 days
Post by: G M on June 18, 2019, 06:55:35 PM
https://medium.com/@AmyforAmerica/amys-first-100-days-b7adf9f91262

nearly all social justice stuff and reversing EVERYTHING Trump has accomplished - over night .

Gotta love this one:

***Restore protections for journalists and protect the First Amendment. Senator Klobuchar will restore former Attorney General Eric Holder’s guidance on protections for journalists so that they are not jailed for doing their jobs.***

Can anyone name a single journalist in jail in the US?
No one on the right is shutting up journalists.  It is all coming from the LEFT

**The left projects more than a movie theater.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/obama-whose-administration-prosecuted-and-spied-on-reporters-claims-trump-is-very-bad-for-criticizing-newsrooms
Title: Four Reasons Trump is Cruising to Reelection
Post by: DougMacG on June 20, 2019, 10:12:24 AM
This does not appear to written by a supporter of Trump.
1. The economy, the state of the US economy is excellent.
2. Moderate Republicans got what they wanted, tax cuts etc.
    The Christian Right got what the wanted, Gorsuch, Kavannaugh etc.
    Trump core supporters will stick with him to build the wall, drain the swamp, etc.
3. Majority of Americans are uninspired by a divided Democrat party.
4. Trump actually runs a very effective campaign.
He is popular enough to be (comfortably) re-elected.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/20/four-reasons-why-trump-is-cruising-towards-re-election
Title: 2020 Presidential: Dem debates, Night 1 - Warren and the underdogs
Post by: DougMacG on June 27, 2019, 06:03:00 AM
Pretty good recap here of a debate last night that more than 97% of Americans did not watch. 
One main point stands out, they all agreed to but constantly fought the socialistic division of time available to them.  "I want more time." "No, I want more time!"  And the winner was ... ... ... Donald Trump.  Night two tonight.  We can hear about utility billing in South Bend and getting along with segregationists - in your own party.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/274144/debate-losers-daniel-greenfield

On a sweltering night in Miami’s Arsht Center for the Performing Arts, a 90-year-old building slightly older than Joe Biden, 9 candidates with no shot at anything and the tenth, the first fake Native American candidate, gathered to humiliate and be humiliated on national television.

On a set designed to look like a cardboard cutout White House, 10 cardboard cutouts of candidates, hoping to sit in the real White House, frantically searched for their 15 seconds of fame, while ignoring moderator questions and going over time.

All the millionaire candidates agreed that the economy wasn't working for ordinary Americans like the ones they see on TV.

The speeches about the misery suffered by ordinary Americans in a booming economy at the hands of giant evil corporations fell flat to a base in which a third of Democrat primary voters earn over $100,000.

"Who is this economy working for?" Elizabeth Warren asked, doing a hand hatchet chop in a tribute to her imaginary Native American heritage while claiming that it was just working for those at the top.

Like her.

Not only was Warren wealthier than most of the other candidates on stage, but she was called on three times as often.

As part of their commitment to redistribution, the socialist candidates redistributed each other’s time. But, despite their supposed commitment to redistribution, they resisted speaking time socialism.

This was supposed to be a debate and the moderators did try to ask occasionally challenging questions, while the candidates courageously evaded and avoided them and instead delivered prepared speeches attacking Trump and insisting that the economy wasn't working for most people who weren’t as rich as them.

Instead of going after Warren, the field of starving losers went after the weakest member of the herd who still had a few percentage points to his fake name. Bill de Blasio and Julian Castro jumped on Beto O’Rourke, like starving hyenas pouncing on a midget gazelle, in an orgy of blood and talking points.

Despite O’Rourke’s Kennedyesque buck teeth, he went down like a marshmallow.

Democrats wondering how he would perform in a debate against President Trump could only imagine the hipster being slapped around a stage for three debates straight.

Castro and Bill de Blasio went after O’Rourke from the left in a radical primary where the moderates were on the run and the only acceptable non-radical position was protecting union health care plans.

Julian Castro declared that transgender people aborting babies should be paid for by taxpayers as his idea of “reproductive justice”. Then he demanded that the other candidates agree to legalize illegal migration or be forced to listen to him practice enunciating, “Guatemala.”

Elizabeth Warren delivered all her remarks in the hysterical pitch of a paranoid schizophrenic grandma demanding to know why all the songs on the radio are telling her to kill her parrot. That included a call to take away everyone’s health insurance and replace it with filmstrips of Karl Marx lifting weights.

Bill de Blasio smirked his way through a call for a 70% tax rate. "There's plenty of money in this world," he gloated. "It's just in the wrong hands."

The wrong hands were any but his own oversized mitts which clenched greedily at the touch of money.

The moment they had a chance the 2020 losers, whose campaigns never even took off, launched into one single factoid that would make them stand out to the audience of confused viewers wondering who they were and where Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden were.

Cory Booker reminded viewers and voters at every opportunity that he was not only African-American, but lived in a "low-income" black community. Booker claimed that people had been shot on his block. His neighbors have said that he hardly shows up at his official New Jersey address.

He actually lives near a miniature indoor golf course in Washington D.C.

"As an African-American man in an African-American community," Booker began one of his speeches, convinced that the audience would forget he was black unless he reminded them of it every time.

Julian Castro claimed that his working-class background meant that he knew what it was like to rent a house. Castro, who doesn't speak Spanish, pronounced "Jose", "Oscar" and "Honduras" with the exaggerated care of a white Dos Equis pitchman.

Tulsi Gabbard constantly reminded viewers that she had served in the military. Tim Ryan wanted people to remember that he was from Ohio. Not everyone in Ohio was as happy to be associated with him.

John Delaney wanted people to know that they would never have to look at him after this night.

Beto O'Rourke randomly broke out into awkward Spanish while Cory Booker and Elizabeth Warren looked on in horror. Booker's horror was understandable. He had memorized his own speech in bad Spanish and Beto's stunt had upstaged his stunt.

The high school Spanish got worse with a panicked O'Rourke being asked a question in Spanish.

Bill de Blasio announced that what set him apart from all the other candidates was raising a black son.

And then there were the bizarre and goofy proposals.

Jay Inslee promised to put union members to work in the wind turbines of the future, offering two contradictory proposals in one.

"We must understand that this is a climate crisis, emergency," Jay Inslee rasped. "I am the candidate who said this has to be the top priority."

Tim Ryan called for "trauma-based care in every school" and announced that he wanted to "dominate the solar industry".

Cory Booker claimed that African-American transgender people were being lynched.

Tulsi Gabbard claimed that appeasing Iran would put the American people first.

The single most shameless moment may have come when Bill de Blasio, who refuses to use his father’s last name, Wilhelm, tried to exploit his father’s service in WW2.

The highlight of the loser debate was when a technical malfunction shut down the debate at the top of the second hour. Rachel Maddow, a Russia conspiracy theorist, somehow exercised enough restraint not to shout, “It’s the Russians. They’re finally here.”

But Maddow brought her own obsession with locking up Trump to the table, demanding to know if the President of the United States might be impeached and forced to watch MSNBC for the rest of his life.

Indeed, despite all the obsession with a Russian conspiracy, Beto O’Rourke was the first candidate to mention Russia, 95 minutes into the debate. Russia, as a topic, did not come up until the very end of the debate when more candidates cited the weather as the greatest geopolitical threat than Russia.

A technical malfunction was the perfect embodiment of a technical malfunction of a debate of losers.

9 politicians with no future met up on a stage, made promises that they don’t understand and will never be able to keep, recited simplistic talking points, and doubled down on every radical position.

And the tenth, Senator Elizabeth Warren out-radicalized them all.

The losers would almost all clamber back into the Iran nuclear sellout. Almost all of them wanted to ban guns, borders, and the economy. None of them had much in the way of a plan.

All of them had rhetoric.

And that’s all the loser debate amounted to.

9 losers with less chance of becoming president than freezing to death in a Miami summer met on a neon stage. Don’t bother remembering their names. By 2020, you won’t hear them again.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on June 27, 2019, 06:12:54 AM
"One main point stands out, they all seemed to fight the socialistic division of time available."

 :-D

Whenever eluding to Trump they all say "no one is above the law"
while the rest of the time telling us 20 million people who came here illegally all are.   :-P

We just heard on Project Veritas how Google manipulates everything in favor of the Democrats. One guy on the other night telling us how Google can manipulate our thoughts enough to swindle 15 million voters "WITHOUT THEM EVEN BEING AWARE OF IT"

YET NOW  we are being told to believe who has the most Google searches after the debate.  I will never believe ANYTHING  GOOGLE SAYS , MEASURES , OR CLAIMS.

So if Julian Castro had 10 searches previously and last night got 2,000 he is up 200 times but still only 2,000 people. 
Maybe another manipulation of statistics to give a false impression ?

Someone should ask Julian if he would pick his twin as his running mate.
(or AG?) .  He could get the "TWIN vote". 

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on June 27, 2019, 06:37:27 AM
Yes, the google lookup score I heard was won by Tulsi Gabbard(?) who was raised in a cult.

Taking identity politics to the limit, one of them pushed for better abortion rights for trans women - who are biological men and generally don't have a uterus.

My guess is that Trump was going to lose that vote anyway. No harm done.

Very extreme politics on display.  This is not a race to capture the center.

The economy is only performing well for the very few while wages and employment are at record highs for every major Democratic constituency.  Snopes and PolitiFact are blank at this hour.  Cat got your tongue??

Wash Post "fact checker" found some errors:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/27/fact-checking-first-democratic-debate/?utm_term=.02d21810c153

Title: 2020 Presidential election, Dems off by more than 50-fold on key statistic
Post by: DougMacG on June 27, 2019, 06:58:12 AM
Democrats say only the top 1% benefited from Trump's economic policies.  Rasmussen says more than 50% say they benefited.  Tax Policy Center says 80% of taxpayers benefited from tax reform.  I say 100% benefited but some did not want to.

Booker brags that he lives in a neighborhood with gunfire at night, a city where he was recently in charge of reducing violence.  He actually lives in an upscale DC neighborhood next to a miniature golf course.

NBC News recap says Amy K "underperformed".  That's hard to do when you look at where she started, at zero.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Tulsi gabbard
Post by: DougMacG on June 27, 2019, 07:31:42 AM
My theory is that Tulsi Gabbard wasn't the most searched because people thought she was Presidential.  That's not what people use the internet for...

(https://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/ScreenHunter-1478-696x752.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on June 27, 2019, 07:47:23 AM
"My theory is that Tulsi Gabbard wasn't the most searched because people thought she was Presidential.  That's not what people use the internet for..."

Her favorite color is red I notice. 

she is only 38.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 27, 2019, 10:05:33 AM
Dang!
Title: Obama's VP
Post by: ccp on June 28, 2019, 04:42:32 AM
AFter 8 yrs of Joe standing alongside the first half Black president we find out he is a racist all along......... :-P

Race card again.........

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: G M on June 28, 2019, 04:50:10 AM
I keep meaning to post something, but as soon as I see Tulsi, I forget.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on June 28, 2019, 05:14:59 AM
I thinks she has locked up the young hetero male vote......
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 28, 2019, 09:49:21 AM
Truly an impressive photo there , , ,

Endeavoring to return to the subject at hand , , ,

"Free health care for illegals who will be caught and released for the parking ticket violation of entering the country illegally and/or through the asylum petition loophole" , , , helluva platform , , ,
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on June 28, 2019, 10:03:27 AM
expressed goal - beat Trump

real goal - turn as many states blue to forever maintain power.

citizens get chucked out the window.

if we can't get enough citizens to vote for Dems then open of the borders and promise them everything

George Will and the never trumpers thinks this is not a problem.
even Nikkie Haley thinks this is fine

sure - we just need to turn them into Constitutionalists and we win!

 :x
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 28, 2019, 10:35:03 AM
"expressed goal - beat Trump.  real goal - turn as many states blue to forever maintain power.  citizens get chucked out the window.  if we can't get enough citizens to vote for Dems then open of the borders and promise them everything"

THIS.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: G M on June 28, 2019, 11:43:52 AM
"expressed goal - beat Trump.  real goal - turn as many states blue to forever maintain power.  citizens get chucked out the window.  if we can't get enough citizens to vote for Dems then open of the borders and promise them everything"

THIS.

Yup.
Title: Sullivan: Advantage Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 28, 2019, 04:23:51 PM
Some of his numbers dramatically understate things, but the big gist of it is on target:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/andrew-sullivan-democrats-are-in-a-bubble-on-immigration.html?fbclid=IwAR2afsuVqeAY7GXE14OjWWqWYz45NU6jalLbSAmTg86FxzdGirImAYdd9iQ
Title: Re: Sullivan: Advantage Trump
Post by: G M on June 28, 2019, 09:13:48 PM
Some of his numbers dramatically understate things, but the big gist of it is on target:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/andrew-sullivan-democrats-are-in-a-bubble-on-immigration.html?fbclid=IwAR2afsuVqeAY7GXE14OjWWqWYz45NU6jalLbSAmTg86FxzdGirImAYdd9iQ

These dumb fcukers don't realize just how pissed off actual Americans are getting. Trump and ICE are the nice solution.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 29, 2019, 11:19:33 AM
POTH's House conservative:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/opinion/democrats-debate-2020.html
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on June 29, 2019, 08:05:41 PM
POTH's House conservative:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/opinion/democrats-debate-2020.html

Wow!, great analysis!  Stephens has it right. It isn't what one of them said, it's what all of them said., we are against you. Advantage Trump.
Title: Sen. Kamala telling a whopper?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 01, 2019, 11:46:48 AM
http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/is-kamala-harris-telling-the-truth-about-her-berkeley-days/
Title: Re: Sen. Kamala telling a whopper?
Post by: DougMacG on July 01, 2019, 02:34:38 PM
http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/is-kamala-harris-telling-the-truth-about-her-berkeley-days/

Good to see Kamala called out on her drama BS.  All she really said was that she rode a bus to school for a year before leaving the country for most of her childhood.  Born of two parents with PhDs, she more likely lived in the white area than with blacks. No mention of the bus ride being about race. In a majority white California classroom, she was very likely the only one there who was a descendant of slave owners.
https://heavy.com/news/2019/02/donald-harris-kamala-father-dad-jamaican/
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on July 01, 2019, 05:00:27 PM
but she is likely going to get all the breaks the Leftist media can give her just like Brock

Her opponents will have to call her out but do they have the balls.

Biden won't.

I doubt any of them will.

They may be afraid to as the MSM will relay around her likely.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Amy
Post by: DougMacG on July 02, 2019, 07:09:00 AM
A positive article on Amy. I don't agree with it but still real observations from a conservative attending an event in Iowa.  She seemed shocked by his question on Omar but handled it reasonably well. A 5th place finish in Iowa does not set her on any path IMO, only the implosion of the other 23 does that.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/07/dave-begley-live-from-atlantic.php
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential, backlash on Kamala
Post by: DougMacG on July 02, 2019, 08:18:09 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/30/kamala-harris-joe-biden-2020-1391212
"too cute by half"

Yes.

Also interesting to see conservatives defend Biden.  It is partly good to see the Left face the tactics of the Left.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential, backlash on Kamala
Post by: G M on July 02, 2019, 08:22:38 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/30/kamala-harris-joe-biden-2020-1391212
"too cute by half"

Yes.

Also interesting to see conservatives defend Biden.  It is partly good to see the Left face the tactics of the Left.

The left always feeds on it’s self.
Title: Will Kamala pay reparations?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 02, 2019, 02:54:01 PM
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/slave-registers-from-london-name-the-slaves-kamala-harris-ancestor-owned/
Title: Kamala for busing today
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 03, 2019, 09:02:15 AM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/kamala-harris-busing-democratic-debate/
Title: racism etc theme
Post by: ccp on July 03, 2019, 09:15:08 AM
I am surprised to see Mayor Pete getting grief from Harris fans over a police officer who the story goes was taken off guard by a 52 black male lunging at him with a butcher knife and then in self defense killing the man.

Blacks are saying Pete does not stick up for them.

Glad to see HIM get a taste of his own SJW medicine though the whole thing smells like every other situation
Black committing crime armed and refuse to follow the officer's orders.

Perhaps the policeman didn't have his camera on because he only was able to see some feet sticking out the door
 perhaps he simply forgot to turn it on .

Does anyone believe the MSM will EVER give Harris any real challenge
I would be quite surprised if even the other Dems will have the guts to .

But they should.

Title: Re: racism etc theme
Post by: G M on July 03, 2019, 09:17:55 AM
I am surprised to see Mayor Pete getting grief from Harris fans over a police officer who the story goes was taken off guard by a 52 black male lunging at him with a butcher knife and then in self defense killing the man.

Blacks are saying Pete does not stick up for them.

Glad to see HIM get a taste of his own SJW medicine though the whole thing smells like every other situation
Black committing crime armed and refuse to follow the officer's orders.

Perhaps the policeman didn't have his camera on because he only was able to see some feet sticking out the door
 perhaps he simply forgot to turn it on .

Does anyone believe the MSM will EVER give Harris any real challenge
I would be quite surprised if even the other Dems will have the guts to .

But they should.

It’s not difficult to forget to activate a body camera.

Title: Kamala picks up where Hillary left off
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 03, 2019, 09:21:49 AM
http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/crooked-hillary-attorney-now-works-for-kamala-harris/
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on July 03, 2019, 04:06:17 PM
" .granddaughter of SLAVE owners "

do we really know this ?

I see this in places but how does anyone know this.

she is not old enough to have slave owning grandparents.

"Perkins Cole’s political law group"

mafia lawyers for the Democrat crowd


Title: Of course
Post by: ccp on July 04, 2019, 04:31:49 AM
https://reason.com/2019/07/04/justin-amash-declares-independence-from-republican-party/
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on July 04, 2019, 05:06:58 AM
" .granddaughter of SLAVE owners "

do we really know this ?

I see this in places but how does anyone know this.

she is not old enough to have slave owning grandparents.

Her Grandparent(s) were descendants of slave owners, meaning she is also, certifiably. Her name should lbe stricken from the US Senate roll call!

Irrelevant and unfair except it makes a mockery of the whole idea of paying people for their heritage based on skin color when some blacks participated in the slave trade and most whites didn't. .   

Unlike Obama's white Kansas side, this was on her 'black' side. It's silly to even call her black.  Her father married 'outside the faith'.

It makes you want to narrow the payments, if we make them,
to people who can prove ALL their grandparents were descendants of slaves, receiving from people whose grandparents alll were descendants of slave owners.

Or we could.consider the $6 trillion war on poverty the payment and be done with it.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on July 04, 2019, 05:13:11 AM
"Her Grandparent(s) were descendants of slave owners,"

OK big mouth Dems SJW candidates:

in next "debate" (these are not debates their one or two sentence slogans fest)

lets see her competitors calling for HER to pay reparations to slave descendants.

Yes you are 1/2 half Caribbean Black but you are from slave owners!

How about you Indian half pay reparations to those in India who were from lower castes!

(of course we would never hear these truths from the Dems because the truth hurts their phony narrative ) but we better be hearing it from our side when the time comes.

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 04, 2019, 07:22:57 AM
If I have it right, Cory Booker's parents are one white, one black.  Would reparations mean that one has to pay the other?
Title: 2020 Presidential, fact checking the Democrats
Post by: DougMacG on July 05, 2019, 06:14:24 AM
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ap-fact-check-claims-dem-013358860.html
Title: 2020 Presidential Democrats, none of the above
Post by: DougMacG on July 11, 2019, 06:14:17 AM
Some on the left are beginning to agree with me. The Democrat who can beat Trump is dot-dot. None of the above. Both Harris and Biden were damaged in there famous Exchange last week. Tom Steyer is in, of no real consequence. Eric Swalwell is out, of no consequence. Last poll of significance had Biden at 30 and Harris, Warren, and Sanders at 15.  Buttigieg had dropped  to 5, Beto at 4.  Who is the winner out of that group or out of the others that are pulling essentially at zero? Biden is the known commodity, front runner, and yet 70% of Democrats don't choose him even with his name presented to them.

Biden showed he couldn't defend himself. Harris proved she can be a drama queen but doesn't even support the policy she is suggesting, neither do 95% of Americans.

Warren and Sanders combined have the support of Biden, but they aren't combined, they are all running against each other.

No one of any significance has stood up to the nuttiness of the left in their party with any success. Show called moderates are not really running as moderates and yet still show up around zero, Hickenlooper, Klobuchar and whoever else.

In the end it may be none of these 25 people on the ballot opposing Trump. I hate to say it but look for Michelle Obama to pop out of the woodwork at the last moment. I can't think of who else of significance is still on the sidelines?
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on July 11, 2019, 07:00:15 AM
"I hate to say it but look for Michelle Obama to pop out of the woodwork at the last moment."

back in the rodeo???   :wink:

no she is having too much fun, and making too much just the way it is -  my guess.

AS for everyone else looking bad against Trump - Doug, I hope you are right
Trump not polling too great against some of them so far though I don't know how to make sense of it this early and with so many in the race.

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 11, 2019, 09:08:32 AM
Delegates to the convention are committed to their candidate at least on the first round of voting. 
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on July 11, 2019, 10:27:25 AM
Delegates to the convention are committed to their candidate at least on the first round of voting.

Yes.  Assuming the delegates are split over the wide field, this means a late entry could get in during the convention after the first ballot and not have to run in the primaries - if he or she was very well-known and popular.

It sure looks like Michelle is enjoying life above the fray and not running.  Running for president or governing would be a step down from her life now. The people reading her book tend to be liberal-leaning.  They are finding it to be non-political. But she will be a speaker at the convention and it will be a political speech passionate about the candidate. I'm not saying she will be the one to jump in, but who else is there? Who else from the Obama gang if not Biden? Valerie Jarrett? She has never sought the public eye.  A Cabinet member? John Kerry is washed up. Hillary had her turn, twice. Eric Holder, Rahm Emanuel, these are ordinary figures who like Julian Castro could have run in the primaries.  Not game changers.  A congressional figure, Schumer, Durbin, Pelosi,  not going to happen. Governors?  Like Hickenlooper, already in and not making a splash. They don't start off as national figures. Barack Obama left a shallow bench when he lost the House, the Senate, the governor ship's, state Houses and the presidency.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on July 12, 2019, 06:03:52 AM
Sanders and Warren voters have surprisingly little in common. In poll after poll, Sanders appeals to lower-income and less-educated people; Warren beats Sanders among those with postgraduate degrees. Sanders performs better with men, Warren with women. Younger people who vote less frequently are more often in Sanders’ camp; seniors who follow politics closely generally prefer Warren.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/12/sanders-warren-voters-2020-1408548
Title: good strategy
Post by: ccp on July 17, 2019, 06:22:55 AM
highlight their bigotry:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/16/list-of-racist-statements-by-members-of-the-squad-so-far/

yet maybe leave the "go back to your country" tweets;  just does not play well.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 17, 2019, 12:31:45 PM
Wrong thread for that.
Title: 2020 Presidential, second round matchups Democrat debates
Post by: DougMacG on July 19, 2019, 06:02:19 AM
Warren and Sanders will join Delaney, Hickenlooper, Ryan, Bullock, Williamson, Klobuchar, O'Rourke and Buttigieg on July 30.

Harris and Biden will join Gillibrand, Gabbard, Bennet, de Blasio, Inslee, Booker, Yang and Castro on July 31.

Will Sanders and Warren take off the gloves  fighting  for the  Wako left lane? Will Amy Klobuchar  come out against the Bush tax cuts, oops I mean the Trump tax cuts ? Yawn.  Which of these are your liberal friends going to stay inside for, excited to see on these beautiful summer evenings? Maybe Tom Steyer will have to host his own event. Who will have their breakout moment at these highly anticipated events?    I predict ... no one.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 19, 2019, 06:24:28 AM
Tucker was seriously scathing last night on the zombie candidates , , , and heading the list was Slo Joe.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on July 19, 2019, 07:51:24 AM
Tucker was seriously scathing last night on the zombie candidates , , , and heading the list was Slo Joe.

If there was one in this group that could or should breakthrough, they can't because they are locked up in groupthink.

Take their favorite issue for example, Healthcare. There isn't a one of them that can handle one follow-up question on their proposal if they have one.

With Obama, Pelosi, Gruber, they devised a super complex, technocratic idea that no one could understand. Now they propose everything free and no one pays for it - and the deficit under Trump is unacceptable?

They all want a 50 trillion dollar plan without paying for it. Only Bernie says he will pay for it but his math doesn't work. Raising the tax rates further on the rich does not raise more Revenue so you still need 50 trillion.  Now Biden says, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Are you kidding?

Older voters are trending Trump and the Democrats are offering their target young voters the opportunity to increase the debt from 20 trillion to 100 trillion given all their programs. And they will accommodate the new debt burden with a zero GDP growth rate - or worse.

Their campaign slogan is already written,
Trump is flawed, we are worse.

Representative Omar is in the news spewing hatred everyday while three Minnesota Democrat incumbents in swing districts prepare for re-election. Trump declared Minnesota in play. I think he will wi MN.

It's been awhile since they bragged about the blue wall.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on July 19, 2019, 05:27:02 PM
I would love to see biden knock out harris
but i don't think he is capable of it.



Title: Yes . Trump on Federal spending.
Post by: ccp on July 20, 2019, 04:32:01 AM
https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/business/article/President-Trump-tells-aides-to-look-for-big-14109681.php

OTOH
can Trump win with rational budget cuts against a Party hell bent on spending increases and claiming they will only tax the "rich" promising everything for "free".

Hard to win when the crats always put together enough victims promising to give them other people's money etc......
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 22, 2019, 11:04:24 AM
I get it that the issue is relivent to the election, but OTOH what does not?

Please post in thread(s) on Budget, Spending Cuts, and maybe Politics.  TY
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on July 30, 2019, 06:30:42 AM
"Trump down by 10 points to Biden mostly likely due to Trumps tweets"
  (Media  thread)

Another view, (mine):   

Trump is down 10 points today because:  Trump always under polls at the poll taker level, the media based poll companies try to influence outcomes, the election isn't national, the polling company is not held accountable until the final weekend poll, the election isn't being held today, (Biden won't be the nominee) and the campaign against Biden hasn't started.    )

"Not helpful to have it revealed Kushner owns rentals in Baltimore
some with rodent problems."


I agree that nobody likes the landlord but inconvenient connections like this will not be what turns the election.  [I'm watching the economy via GDP growth rate and concerned there too.]  This does give Trump firsthand knowledge of the problems in Baltimore from within his advising inner circle.  He is not getting duped by a Fox News false report as was the storyline on the other channels this past weekend.  SJWs are offended by the word but the City is infested - with rats - and with black on black crime, race not mentioned.  The cause is Democratic policies.  See Walter Williams article just posted.

Win (and end) the trade war with China, turnaround the global economy before the election (do-able) and win the election on the merits of the policies.
------------------------------------
Brilliant move by Trump yesterday, he publicly called out the Chinese and Iranians for trying to outlast his Presidency to deal with another pushover.  Of course that is  exactly what they are trying to do!  This bold accusation affects both his negotiating adversaries and his political opponents.

Joe, Liz, Kamala, are you the pushover that the Chinese and Iranians want to roll over?  If all of them deny pushover status and share Trump's hard line on this matter, the Chinese would make a deal today to stop their economic bleeding, also surging the Trump economy.  If none of them take a hard line, Trump frames the election and wins.  If he can divide his opponents in a structural manner, he runs against divided and weakened opposition. 

Nice to have the bully pulpit on your side.

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, debate Tulsi, Harris
Post by: DougMacG on August 01, 2019, 06:01:17 AM
The Washington Examiner
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/tulsi-gabbard-just-humiliated-kamala-harris-in-front-of-10-million-peoplehursday, August 01, 2019
Supporting links in the article

OPINION
Tulsi Gabbard just humiliated Kamala Harris in front of 10 million people
by Brad Polumbo
 | July 31, 2019 10:18 PM
 
During Wednesday night’s Democratic primary debate, CNN’s Jake Tapper knew exactly what he was doing when he queued up a question for Tulsi Gabbard about her past criticisms of Kamala Harris’s approach to racial issues and her attack on Joe Biden.

Gabbard went off.

Clearly, Gabbard had done her homework, and she absolutely dragged Harris for her abysmal record as California attorney general. During her time in office, Harris took draconian stances on issues of criminal justice, enforcing such merciless policies and displaying such ruthless ambition that “Kamala the cop” has become a common criticism of the candidate.

Gabbard attacked Harris for having locked up thousands of people for mere marijuana possession and laughing about it when asked whether she had smoked pot herself. The congresswoman piled onto Harris, adding on a reference to her office’s shameful move to keep people locked up to preserve "cheap labor for the state of California."

This is all true, and here are the receipts. But Gabbard didn’t stop there.


The Hawaii congresswoman also called out Harris for the fact that while attorney general, she fought to keep people incarcerated despite exonerating evidence and fought to preserve the unfair system of cash bail.

True and true.

And according to the New York Times, “Ms. Harris also championed state legislation under which parents whose children were found to be habitually truant in elementary school could be prosecuted, despite concerns that it would disproportionately affect low-income people of color.”


So Gabbard was spot-on when she said, to Harris’ face, that “when you were in a position to make a difference, you did not. The people who suffered under your reign as a prosecutor, you owe them an apology.”

As the Washington Examiner’s own Tiana Lowe summed it up blogging in real time, “Tulsi just stabbed Kamala where it hurts, focusing on the California Senator's history of threatening the mothers of truant children, sex workers, and a disproportionately crew of color. Shots fired.”
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on August 02, 2019, 11:05:07 AM
I did not watch these debates and I guess no one else did either.  Must rely on those paid to watch for (lousy) analysis.

They are starting to challenge each other on their pasts and differences but it is a pretty boring, inconsequential race on the Dem side. 

In the previous post, Kamala Harris was skewered badly on the stage and all the rest of especially the top tier have even more obvious weaknesses and vulnerabilities.

I heard Rush L say there is a 75% chance Michelle O will get in.  Say it isn't so, but this so-called clown show becomes truly inconsequential.  They have a message.  Now they need a face and a voice to carry it.  If she is so inclined, it sure looks possible,because the answer so far is definitely none of the above.

From the Left side, here is Nate Silver's take on the race:
"[Biden's] chances [for the nomination]are under 50 percent. But I think he’s more likely than anyone else."

[Way to go out on a limb Nate.]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-i-think-the-candidates-stand-after-the-second-debate/
Title: Funny, more and more dems favoring impeachment
Post by: ccp on August 03, 2019, 10:00:25 AM
after watching their mosaic of candidates debate:

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/house-democrats-majority-impeachment/2019/08/02/id/927069/

(gotta do something  :-P)
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 09, 2019, 03:53:17 PM
But the surprise attack from Gabbard, and the direct and cutting nature of her remarks, turned out to be one of the defining moments of the second debate.

Gabbard accused Harris of locking up racial minorities for low-level drug offenses while laughing off her own marijuana use. And she accused Harris of keeping inmates imprisoned for cheap labor, while ignoring exculpatory evidence that might have freed death row inmates.
Title: Slo Joe gets slower yet , , ,
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 10, 2019, 11:52:41 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-10/biden-says-he-was-vice-president-during-the-parkland-shooting?fbclid=IwAR0Ug7Rt4nNAsMJ2nd2iTHkFeGVj4v_05AkI00olDd6M6774Hc-BfQ3nYf8
Title: Re: Slo Joe gets slower yet , , ,
Post by: G M on August 11, 2019, 03:23:55 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-10/biden-says-he-was-vice-president-during-the-parkland-shooting?fbclid=IwAR0Ug7Rt4nNAsMJ2nd2iTHkFeGVj4v_05AkI00olDd6M6774Hc-BfQ3nYf8

Perfect! He’ll do great!
Title: sharpton might run
Post by: ccp on August 14, 2019, 04:43:23 AM
https://pjmedia.com/trending/al-sharpton-considering-2020-presidential-bid/

he could run as the first cockroach for president  :-o
or the first one to have a roux en y procedure .  :wink:

I wonder if michelle would back him over biden?   :-P
Title: Surprise! Too busy to vote for border aid
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 14, 2019, 08:28:29 PM


https://freebeacon.com/politics/all-2020-senate-dems-absent-for-vote-to-send-humanitarian-relief-to-border/?fbclid=IwAR1zHT7xUJtCRxm38cw8__acZknGEGKQl6KJefZSSWKiUIHFW-_EV1jaNtU
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on August 15, 2019, 10:16:14 AM
From media thread. 
ccp:  "if Dems can come up with viable candidate
          we lose in '20."
------------------------

But they have made a set of rules that makes that impossible.  Nominee must support open borders and free healthcare for all, a contradiction that makes fiscal governance impossible.  Must support abortion until or past the last day of pregnancy rules out anyone with a brain and a conscience.  Dismantle the military.  Put international governance above our constitution.  End capitalism and virtually all other freedoms.  Most of all, candidate must be in full Trump derangement / hate mode including the hating and smearing of everyone who has contemplated supporting him.  They need someone honest and credible that can easily switch fake gears with them from asserting Russian collusion to calling half the country including conservative blacks and Hispanics "white supremacists'.  And be electable.  Tough criteria to meet. 

My 'thoughtful' liberal friends tell me it's Biden and the only criteria is that he can beat Trump.  As they say the you can see them recognize it is a prescription for failure and they admit it.

The so-called moderates weren't moderate anyway and they were already chased off the stage, fully out of contention.

The answer so far is any of the above and none of the above at the same time, sort of a contradiction.

I hate to keep saying Michelle O when there is no sign she wants it, but they need someone from outside the fray to ride in on a white horse (can I still say that) and sweep them off their feet.   Even then, her free pass ends when she enters.  She is about as skilled as Biden and as experienced in politics as ... Laura Bush?  Who else could do it, someone who can defend the Obama legacy and argue a return to it, Valerie Jarrett?  Not going to happen.  Back to Biden, Warren, Sanders.

Republicans still think it's going to Kamala Harris but I don't see it and polls in key states and nationwide show Democrats still don't see it.  It keeps looking like Biden or Warren are the best they can find in country of 330 million people.  Forget old, one is dumb and the other is rabid.  One would be a figurehead turning us back back to the establishment deep state and the other would make us Venezuela, which doesn't sound good right now.  Neither have a clue about what made this country great or how to solve any of what ails it right now.

Meanwhile they have to hope for continued legislative standstill and economic failure to have a chance, and manage the impeachment and shiny object focus on their side and run up against a guy about whom Barack Obama said, "stop underestimating this guy!"

This is a mess for the Dems and it's going to get worse before it gets better. 
Title: Tulsi Gabbard gets coverted David Duke endorsement
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 15, 2019, 10:56:10 AM
https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-david-duke-endorse-bds-israel-ilhan-omar-west-bank-boycott-1318365?fbclid=IwAR32CdCjZQMRpLCAko_3xi6vml3T0Hiy_mUU5L1KE3BKjNtbg6Spt2YcliM
Title: Re: Tulsi Gabbard gets coverted David Duke endorsement
Post by: G M on August 15, 2019, 11:04:53 AM
https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-david-duke-endorse-bds-israel-ilhan-omar-west-bank-boycott-1318365?fbclid=IwAR32CdCjZQMRpLCAko_3xi6vml3T0Hiy_mUU5L1KE3BKjNtbg6Spt2YcliM

Bwahahahaha!!!!!
Title: Re: Tulsi Gabbard gets coverted David Duke endorsement
Post by: DougMacG on August 15, 2019, 12:40:06 PM
She should have just stuck with being winner of the swimsuit competition. 

Once again she will be the most searched candidate - while stuck at 0.0% support in the polls.

She is one more Democrat that will keep us out of foreign wars, would rather let them amass their weapons and have the war here.
Title: Morris: Warren is winning
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 15, 2019, 01:02:07 PM
http://www.dickmorris.com/warren-is-winning-2020-election-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports
Title: Re: Tulsi Gabbard gets coverted David Duke endorsement
Post by: G M on August 15, 2019, 07:09:26 PM
She should have just stuck with being winner of the swimsuit competition. 

Once again she will be the most searched candidate - while stuck at 0.0% support in the polls.

She is one more Democrat that will keep us out of foreign wars, would rather let them amass their weapons and have the war here.

I was trying to think of a Warren swimsuit joke and threw up in my mouth.  :-o

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on August 20, 2019, 08:15:40 AM
Only Biden (29), Sanders (15) and Warren (14) are polling above 5% of Democrats.  When candidates like Hickenlooper drop out  (does anyone outside Colorado know his first name), the joke is, who will win his supporter?  The analysis of the polls is "soft support", or what I call 'none of the above'.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

The top two for sure are old.  Old in that they have been around a long time and offer no excitement, no accomplishments, no upside. 

Sanders and Warren work off of anger.  Anger at the system.  In a different way, I have anger too, but anger is not the quality that wins elections, particularly in good times.  And if we should head into recession any observer can easily see that they wanted it first and want it to be deeper.

Warren's problem is her strength, her message.  For both Sanders and Warren, facts don't bear out the attraction of their ideology.  A closer look at it in a long campaign does not favor them.

Biden is his own case study.  He was chosen VP for being flavorless not for the following he would bring with him.  He blows with the wind.  He knows the other two are too far left so he is equally far left but calls himself liberal and moderate.  He is a known gaffe machine and because of that the next gaffe does not sink him.  Latest: "poor kids are just as smart as white kids".  Voter acceptance through lowered expectations.  Does that bring voters to the polling booth?

To see Biden under mild scrutiny, watch his debate performance against Sarah Palin in 2008.  His speech accuracy was poor, even though he had already served in the Senate since Nixon was President.  Each time he repeated his answer for emphasis, it was false.  He will be under much more scrutiny this time and he is less sharp now.  He was speechless when Kamala blindsided him. He will be readier for Trump's attacks but can't suddenly add talent or change facts.  People support him because they see that polls of others say he can beat Trump - before the contest begins.

Sanders is the unlikely hero of young people who were spoonfed that same socialist screed from pre-K through college.  Warren or even Butti could win 90% of the college student vote that any Dem will win.  None of them have appeal with the stereotyped 'black vote'.  Even Biden does not excite them.  'My opponent' "will put you back in chains"?  Is that how blacks see themselves, just out of chains?  How racist! Or was it a joke?  Black chain humor?  'Black voters' are supposed to all flock to Kamala Harris like trained seals because she looks a little bit black.  It turns out she is a descendant of slave owners, not slaves.  Ironic.

Biden is the workingman's candidate, but has never worked and has now gotten rich off of public service, power and corruption.  Hillary 3.0?

It's always been a coalition of conflicting groups when what they sell is identity politics.  In MN they call the Dem party the DFL, Democratic, Farmer, Labor, but now Trump wins farmers and laborers and may win 'white' Minnesota.  Dems want to corral the interests of blacks with Jews, Muslims with gays, white suburban women with inner city African American men, etc.  It's not an easy weave, especially when your opponent just wants to make America great again and build opportunities for all.
Title: Trump up with blacks, latinos, and millenials
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 20, 2019, 03:49:06 PM
http://www.dickmorris.com/trump-huge-gains-among-blacks-latinos-millennials-2020-election-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports
Title: zogby poll
Post by: ccp on August 20, 2019, 04:35:44 PM
https://zogbyanalytics.com/news/896-a-majority-of-voters-give-trump-thumbs-up-again-while-trudeau-lags-behind-at-43-job-approval-trump-s-support-with-his-base-has-increased-drastically-nearly-half-of-hispanics-approve-of-trump
Title: What he actually said about Jewish loyalty
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 21, 2019, 10:23:59 PM


https://israelunwired.com/what-trump-really-said-about-jews-and-the-democratic-party/
Title: liberal Jews are loyal to the Democrat Party
Post by: ccp on August 22, 2019, 04:20:19 AM
Last listing I saw ~ 72 % of Jews are crats.

the ones I know who are crats are wedded for life.

their opinion will never change.  they are closed minded know it alls.

one might as well speak to a wall.

but then again so are many if not most  libs, crats.

Title: second post today
Post by: ccp on August 22, 2019, 05:31:44 AM
Sad news

He will be sorely missed .  :wink: :roll::

https://pjmedia.com/trending/climate-alarmist-candidate-jay-inslee-drops-out-of-2020-presidential-race/

he could go take a hike - on Mt Rainier
Title: 2020 election,
Post by: DougMacG on August 22, 2019, 06:17:21 AM
Sad news

He will be sorely missed .  :wink: :roll::

https://pjmedia.com/trending/climate-alarmist-candidate-jay-inslee-drops-out-of-2020-presidential-race/

he could go take a hike - on Mt Rainier

What he couldn't get passed in liberal Washington state, he couldn't get passed for the country; he couldn't even get it approved by the party activists.  It's the biggest threat to the earth - but not aq top 10 issue in the election in any poll.
https://climatecommunication.yale.edu/publications/politics-global-warming-march-2018/2/
https://news.gallup.com/poll/244367/top-issues-voters-healthcare-economy-immigration.aspx

Bernie today says he is willing to spend 16 trillion of our money to win over Jay Inslee's supporter.
https://news.yahoo.com/sanders-outlines-climate-plan-builds-110026653.html;_ylt=AwrC2Q6IlV5dcBYAlgLQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTByOHZyb21tBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

P.S. It's been a relatively cold and rainy here this summer.  How is your spiraling out of control heat and drought going?
Title: Re: liberal Jews are loyal to the Democrat Party
Post by: DougMacG on August 22, 2019, 06:58:22 AM
Last listing I saw ~ 72 % of Jews are crats.

the ones I know who are crats are wedded for life.

their opinion will never change.  they are closed minded know it alls.

one might as well speak to a wall.

but then again so are many if not most  libs, crats.

4% of the electorate is Jewish.  A small portion but more than the winning margin in close elections.  They vote more than 2 to 1 Dem.  Pew says there has been very little movement in the last decade but their own chart show a recent turn toward parity:
(https://www.people-press.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/03/2_16.png)

As AOC and the Leftist Presidential candidates become the voice of the Democratic Party, the political enthusiasm of the Jewish middle to the left loses energy.  Converting disaffected Democrats to Republicans or to being Trump voters is another leap.

If you are a Leftist, Jewish or not,you will never in the next two years vote for Trump or a Republican House but most Jewish Democrats I know are more divided in their thought.  They lean left by habit, by family and by intuition but are independent on issues and partly data oriented.  Our problem is that all the data they read comes filtered by the left.  Some notice Democrats are bad for the economy and bad  for the country.  Do they really want anti-Semites speaking for them on Israel or think free healthcare and everything else to all who crash our borders is an answer our out of control fiscal challenges?  They don't like Republicans but find themselves alienated by the latest direction of the Democratic party.  Pro-business but "socially liberal", good luck with that! They are conflicted, like most voters. 

To go from 72% Dem as ccp cited to mostly ambivalent in 2020 is a small gain for Republicans.
Title: can the public accept this ?
Post by: ccp on August 23, 2019, 03:56:25 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tells-republicans-may-begin-162457862.html

of course Left will proclaim that a vote for Trump is a vote to hurt seniors etc and this is unnecessary (which it is not )
and that their answer AS ALWAYS , is the rich should pay.

Title: Re: can the public accept this ?
Post by: G M on August 23, 2019, 06:30:45 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tells-republicans-may-begin-162457862.html

of course Left will proclaim that a vote for Trump is a vote to hurt seniors etc and this is unnecessary (which it is not )
and that their answer AS ALWAYS , is the rich should pay.

We are running out of time to fix it. Left alone, it will END totally.

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on August 26, 2019, 07:20:54 AM
We should mention in this thread of Dem primary contests that Trump is also running.

He has a chance to hold his base and to increase his support from other groups such as blacks and Hispanics.  But crucial is to increase support from suburban women.  Good to hear they are working on it - when they aren't busy making it worse.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/458249-trump-campaign-launches-effort-to-mobilize-female-voters

"Sixty-three percent of white, college-educated women said they would definitely or probably vote for the Democratic nominee in 2020, while 30 percent said they would vote for Trump, according to an NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey released on Monday."
--------------------
Those numbers don't need to flip from 2016 but they do need improve.  It will be interesting to see how they plan to do that - without becoming Democrats on  policy.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on August 26, 2019, 07:27:09 AM
" ."Sixty-three percent of white, college-educated women said they would definitely or probably vote for the Democratic nominee in 2020"

Doug, 
do we know exactly why?

guns, abortion, tweets, free health care or college?  need to have people to babysit mow lawns ?

what?

It has got to be along those lines.

I would be curious to know how many of the women are single mothers
what is ratio of single mothers (who will look to government for help ) to those married with regards to voting for the crats........

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election - messaging
Post by: DougMacG on August 26, 2019, 08:20:12 AM
"Sixty-three percent of white, college-educated women said they would definitely or probably vote for the Democratic nominee in 2020"

"Doug, 
do we know exactly why?
guns, abortion, tweets, free health care or college?  need to have people to babysit mow lawns ?
what?
It has got to be along those lines."


First, it is an NBC poll so you might get 5 points back on each side of that in polling error.  But still, this weakness cost R's the House.

Women are more liberal than men.  Women are more "compassionate" and have soaked up the indoctrination in college and media that destroying the poor with our Welfare system and destroying our healthcare system with socialism is "compassionate".  It will take a very persuasive, informative and long campaign back against that to counter it.

Tweets?  Women in the middle don't like Trump's tone.  We need a shift from personal crap to policies tied to results.

"I would be curious to know how many of the women are single mothers
what is ratio of single mothers (who will look to government for help ) to those married with regards to voting for the crats........"


Right.  There is a HUGE difference between women married in families and single women and the ratio of those groups is worsening.  We need to improve our messaging to both groups.  Forget the hard core liberals with Trump derangement, they are lost, but we need to answer the heavy messaging the others more toward the center are receiving.

For example, Elizabeth Warren just published an opinion piece on how to avoid the next economic crash (and the previous one) but her policies actually cause the downturn, not prevent it. 
https://medium.com/@teamwarren/the-coming-economic-crash-and-how-to-stop-it-355703da148b

Who calls her out on that?  Trump will when he gets to it and if she is the nominee, but in the meantime the reaction is silence.

Look at the heart of this group, married mostly white suburban women who lean center left.  Most work, save, pay taxes, follow the law  and care about their children.  They do not favor confiscation, socialism, national bankruptcy, destruction of our cities and culture etc.  Trump is the only one (it seems) who is and who can call out the Democrats for adopting the destructive agenda of the radical Left while the Republicans including Trump have been occupying the space of the political center.  Secure the border and enforce our laws is not an extreme agenda.  Abandon all that is.

DEFICIT:  If you care about your children and their children, you care about this issue.  If you care enough to vote you already know to be skeptical and cynical of both sides.  Trump with a Republican House and Senate COULD attempt to deal with this in his second term.  Democrats taking any of these three will stop that.  Republicans must make the factual case that higher tax RATES on the people most able to rearrange their activities around tax rates slows the economy and makes revenues worse.  Most people don't know that.  You deal the deficit in one or both of two ways, you raise taxes on EVERYONE who earns anything, or you realize and admit the problem is the spending stupid, entitlements in particular.

You can reform federal spending structurally and drastically and still have a very significant safety net for those in real need.  Who makes THAT point?

Republicans and Trump also need to up their image on the environment.  Our opposition to exaggerated and over-hyped climate change is not advocating a return to a time of filth or taking a don't know, don't care position.  We want the air to be clean, the water to be clean, the cities to be clean, the farms to be clean, the factories to be clean and our energy production to be clean.  We just don't believe government fascism gets you there at all much less in the best way.
Title: Handicapping the 2020 Dems
Post by: DougMacG on August 28, 2019, 07:12:27 AM
Pretty good analysis.  Spoiler, the winner is Warren.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/08/27/pundits-guide-handicapping-democratic-nomination/
...
"Joe Biden is running a one-man negative campaign against Joe Biden. Unless someone stops him from campaigning, there is no telling how low he will go."
...
"Bernie Sanders’ problem is that in politics, as in the bedroom, it is difficult to lose one’s virginity a second time."
...
"Unlike Democratic candidates who stand for everything and nothing, Warren knows exactly what her campaign is about and, native heritage aside, who she really is."

"So, in Democratic primaries and caucuses, Warren’s algorithm is powerful: angry populist + angry socialist + angry woman = Democratic nomination."
...
"Kamala Harris has a big smile and very little behind it. In sheer charisma, Harris is the candidate most like Obama in the 2020 field, but without a millimeter of Obama’s depth."
...
"Booker’s campaign is featureless. He has the courage to say whatever Democratic voters want to hear, turning his message into forgettable background noise, the indistinguishable hum of tires on the campaign bus to nowhere."
...
"The problem with riding white horses [Beto] is that you can’t get a speck of mud on them."
...
"Buttigieg is one great speech away from getting the ride that makes him a 2024 contender."
Title: Sorry Mayor Pete, Lesbians choose gender over orientation
Post by: DougMacG on August 28, 2019, 07:26:16 AM
Conflict over at the party of identity politics, Mayor Butti can't even lock up the LGBTQ vote.

https://news.yahoo.com/why-lesbians-don-t-want-090241362.html
“But I’m one of these women who thinks we are way overdue for having a woman in the White House. That’s a lens through which I’m going to filter my decision.”

Looks like we will have an angry white woman up against a happy white male, no gay in the final round.
Title: Boxing Bernie!
Post by: G M on August 28, 2019, 08:19:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6kRyQ3KJAo



Title: 2020 Presidential election: Please let it be Biden!
Post by: G M on August 29, 2019, 07:44:28 PM
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/383058.php

Oh please!
Title: More bad news
Post by: ccp on September 01, 2019, 08:52:24 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-faces-more-2020-danger-if-democrat-scores-upset-n-n1047226

It seems like all the poll news and retirements are ALL trending against Republicans

Like I said I at least will never see a tax cut in my life again ( and since I could not deduct NJ taxes it effectively was no cut for me anyway)

And even this will be reversed when Trump loses in 20.
Then everything will go up and up and away for me .
As for the country the debt will keep going up as spending outpaces tax increases .......

I am very pessimistic.

People who keep blowing off all the polls do so at their own risk.
Yeah I know , they were wrong in 16 but I don't think so now.

Title: It is not big tech or big labor
Post by: ccp on September 01, 2019, 08:56:25 AM
It is all about getting the midwest blue collar vote back.
Dems know they have "big tech" in their pocket like they do the Blacks.

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/big-tech-big-labor-2020-democrats-line-unions-65324482
Title: Dynamic dems!
Post by: G M on September 01, 2019, 07:50:52 PM
(http://ace.mu.nu/archives/CD6353EC-E457-4F0F-B8B3-43D1ABCE2F0A.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on September 02, 2019, 09:00:59 AM
now we know why Bernie is so punch drunk.

he is a failed boxer.
Title: 2020 Presidential election, Tallying up the free sh*t
Post by: DougMacG on September 04, 2019, 08:09:42 AM
Note, Elizabeth Warren's no fossil fuels in 10 years plan came after this RCP Reason TV posting.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/08/26/john_stossel_free_stuff_2020_tallying_up_proposed_spending_by_presidential_candidates.html?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spotim_referrer=recirculation
John Stossel: Free Stuff 2020, Tallying Up Proposed Spending By Presidential Candidates
 
On Date August 26, 2019

REASON TV: Never before have so many politicians promised to spend so much.

Among some candidates, the 2020 presidential campaign has turned into a contest to see who can offer the most "free stuff."

So far no one has tracked their promises, so the Stossel team did.

Stossel compares the top five Democratic candidates, based on the betting odds. He looks at Sen. Kamala Harris (D–Calif.), Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.), former Vice President Joe Biden, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, and Sen. Bernie Sanders' (D–Vt.) expensive promises, issue by issue: education, health care, climate, welfare, and… well, let's make it a contest! There's a grab-bag round too.

Some examples of what the Democrats would spend if they become president:

Sanders wants to "eliminate student debt" and "make public colleges and universities tuition-free." Sounds nice, but he seldom mentions the $220 billion price tag.

Mayor Buttigieg promises to spend $31.5 billion to give teachers a pay raise. Kamala Harris likes that one too.

Senator Harris also wants the government to pay your rent if it's more than 30% of your income. The cost? $94 billion a year.

The Democratic candidate promises keep on coming: Medicare for All, $3 trillion.

Increase Food Stamps, $10.8 billion.

Expand National Service, $2 billion.

A federal job guarantee, $158 billion.

But the Republican incumbent is a big spender too, says Stossel. Since Donald Trump became President, spending has risen about $500 billion.

But the Democrats want to spend much more. Stossel's tally includes more than 50 spending proposals.
Watch to see who wins the title of "Biggest Spender."Stossel says, no matter who wins, taxpayers are the losers.
-------------------
Doug:  All these costs are understated, they ignore the macro effect of destroying the economy.
Title: I guess Love loses and hate wins out
Post by: ccp on September 04, 2019, 04:18:22 PM
surprise , your side are vicious liars:   :-P

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/03/marianne-williamson-i-didnt-think-the-left-lied-like-this/
Title: Conrad Black
Post by: ccp on September 11, 2019, 03:54:46 PM
wasn't Conrad in jail.

maybe he missed that so many of us have been pleading with Trump to do just this with zero success:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/trumps-only-real-weakness-is-his-style/
Title: 2020 Presidential, Democratic Debate in Houston - full transcript
Post by: DougMacG on September 13, 2019, 06:21:21 AM
I missed the beginning (could not find it on radio) and the end, but saw most of it.  It was painful to watch.  Each one of them said things that would be easy for any Republican to rebut.

Biden gave the right amount of mis-speaks, gaffes, idiocy for his opponents to seize on.  Kids need to hear more words, turn on the television uh record player at night.

Bernie was a raving angry man who looked like a lunatic.  Too bad to distract from the opportunity to point out everything he advocates takes us in the direction of certain failure.  A very important question was asked of Bernie about the similarity of his policies to those that failed so horribly in Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela.  He rambled on about free health care and family leave in Canada and "Scandinavia".  He did not answer the question.  His policies if fully implemented will unravel capitalism in just the same way that they brought down Venezuela and coercion by military state and coercion by administrative state are indistinguishable if the coercion has the full effect.  He is going to pay every teacher at least $60,000 without regarding to regional cost of living differences while making the nation as a whole poorer and all of them will make government schools mandatory almost back to birth.

Warren:  I would say zero charisma but smooth delivery and hit all of her well-rehearsed points.  You either like her or you don't.  I don't see her exciting anyone other than the 15-20% of Democrats who already like her and relate to all that.  Every voter needs to figure out whether what she proposes is good for America, whether there is logic to go from our hate for large companies to the full government takeover of the entire American private sector.  Translating her climate change words, she is saying we need to stop heating and air conditioning our homes and buildings by 2028 or whatever all that government imposed fascism mumbo-jumbo was supposed to mean.

Booker is articulate but also angry and unappealing.  Castro looks goofy in his presentation.  Beto will take your guns.  Butti is way more charismatic on radio than on television, and all Trump supporters yes are racist. 

Klobuchar looked nervous but seems nice, competent, authentic, unless you know what a complete bitch she is off-camera.  One Dem summary said Klobuchar could stay in the race, but why? 

They all seem so angry, I really tried to find one with a good presentation, someone who you wish you could hear more form at the end of the 45 seconds.  Andrew Yang maybe but some of his ideas are nuts.  He made a nice point about immigration but could not in a Democrat setting make the distinction between legal and illegal; no mention of rule of law in immigration.  Did his father who grew up without a floor in Asia hire border gangs to enter?  If not, what is the similarity to what we face today?  Instead he literally invited the whole world to come here and start businesses and make a great life for themselves.  8 billion people?  What kind of a country will it be if they all say yes?  Probably identical to where they came from but a little more crowded.

Harris was the other rare contestant who was not all angry, but also was not all present. If not drunk, her drug dosage was a bit off.  More pleasant than the angry ones, but aloof and a little incoherent.  Whiny sounding, she had a weird moment where she couldn't stop laughing at her own scripted joke.  She will not be the nominee.
 
On China tariffs, not one could say they oppose Trump tariffs or that they would repeal them on day one, just that they would do [the same thing] better (but they of course wouldn't).  Isn't that funny, a 10 way endorsement of a very bold Trump policy that no one before him dared to undertake.  They were actually helping Trump explain to the hurt sectors of our economy why we need to keep up the fight and win it.  Bad news for China.  It sets Trump up to get a deal with them sooner. 

Not one question asked about America's roaring economy leading the world in growth, our hugely increased wage growth under Trump, record unemployment for blacks, Hispanics, Asians and women, and DECREASED income inequality.  This is not relevant?  Won't come up in a general election??  Now back to social justice, gender flexibility and white supremacy opinions.

I could not visualize any of the 10 of them rising up to even win the nomination much less win the election.  The two people who struggled the most to watch this painful ordeal were Barack and Michelle Obama.  Do they REALLY want to give up this great life you have get back in the ugly arena? 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/full-transcript-democratic-debate-houston-n1053926

And the winner is ... ... ... incumbent President Donald Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on September 13, 2019, 08:40:15 AM
" .Klobuchar looked nervous but seems nice, competent, authentic, unless you know what a complete bitch she is off-camera.  One Dem summary said Klobuchar could stay in the race, but why? "

Last night on her post debate quicky speaking tour she claims she wants to be President for "all the people"

Except for my home town mayor , a Democrat , who supported Ronald Reagan , which inspired RR to come and give a speech there , ( I saw it)
I have never heard of a single Democrat who EVER represented me .

I guess Barak Obama represented all the people too........    :wink:
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 13, 2019, 10:09:03 AM
Encapsulating moment of last night's Dem debate for me:

Joe Biden, calling for government workers to come into people's homes to teach them how to raise their children by turning on the record player while struggling with loose dentures.

Also noteworthy: His call for no one to be in prison for non-violent crimes. Free Paul Manafort?
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on September 13, 2019, 12:01:57 PM
"Last night on her post debate quicky speaking tour she claims she wants to be President for "all the people" "

Don't be fooled by her mild public manner and Leftists calling her moderate, she has been in office since Jan 2007, when Pelosi-Reid took power and brought down the Bush expansion of 51 consecutive months.  She is to the left of Al Franken and never has represented all the people.  She has NEVER been mentioned as a crossover vote on ANY contentious issue.  She was a cheap copy of Hillary Clinton when she first ran, was a rubber stamp on every vote for Reid-Schumer and now sees herself as some voice of mid-life reason and experience. 

In the link below she sides with the lying accuser against Judge Kavanaugh citing some "rule of evidence" where absolutely no evidence exists and we later find out it all was false, designed by her lawyers to preserve abortion.  Great integrity.  She ran 100% with the wacko, ends justify means, party line on everything she came across.  Good luck getting her appointees confirmed if Republicans return the favor.  Thankfully she will never be President, but if she is elected she will be no worse than Presidents Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry or McGovern.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/09/28/sen-amy-klobuchar-kavanaugh-vote-response-sot-vpx.cnn
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on September 13, 2019, 12:20:09 PM
Encapsulating moment of last night's Dem debate for me:

Joe Biden, calling for government workers to come into people's homes to teach them how to raise their children by turning on the record player while struggling with loose dentures.

Also noteworthy: His call for no one to be in prison for non-violent crimes. Free Paul Manafort?

Yes, he lost me with calling for the government to come into our homes to tell us how to raise children when he already said he wants them taken away in pre-K to public schools, not private day care.  No mention of stay at home parents raising children.  Why would you raise your own when the indoctrination union needs to get at them sooner.  Put them all in little boxes, send them to the universities until they all come out just the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUoXtddNPAM

Title: Just two things not to like about Harris-- her face
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 14, 2019, 11:53:29 AM
https://va.news-republic.com/a/6720180336451387910?app_id=1239&gid=6720180336451387910&impr_id=6720252423841007878&language=en&region=us&user_id=6656103688938176518&c=fb&fbclid=IwAR0HSZRouG1Eqf7eIpGT4DzGrxCokJJ2dMswqGKiai2aXyZqc9DjScRG74k
Title: Gringo O'Rourke on ambulances
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 14, 2019, 11:56:35 AM


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/13/fact-check-beto-orourke-absolutely-wrong-on-ambulance-shortage-after-texas-shootings/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20190913&utm_content=Final
Title: Re: Gringo O'Rourke on ambulances
Post by: DougMacG on September 14, 2019, 12:30:56 PM


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/13/fact-check-beto-orourke-absolutely-wrong-on-ambulance-shortage-after-texas-shootings/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20190913&utm_content=Final

But he is a Democrat, no penalty for lying.

One other side note, ALL ambulances run on fossil fuel.  Only a Democrat can want more of something and ban it at the same time.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on September 14, 2019, 02:20:54 PM
I suppose we need a National Ambulance Administration to head regulations in order we have more ambulances now.
May the ambulance drivers could all be made government employees and unionized to insure they all vote for crats.
Title: Warren and husband cashing in on Harvard salaries
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 14, 2019, 04:53:40 PM


https://www.thecollegefix.com/elizabeth-warrens-pushing-for-free-college-meanwhile-her-harvard-professor-husband-earns-400000-a-year/?fbclid=IwAR1vwLp9hpG0L8PmJhM0xledJ0zOs1k8CvqfGNebaDffeXFWhVXlDmpuK4U
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ya on September 15, 2019, 08:40:00 PM
Trump to join Modi in Houston (sept 23), 50,000 RSVP. Trump's media attention instincts are superb.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/donald-trump-to-join-pm-modi-in-houston-to-address-50000-indian-americans-says-white-house/articleshow/71142937.cms
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 17, 2019, 02:03:47 PM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/51844/trump-approval-climbs-tracks-better-obama-same-james-barrett?utm_source=cnemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=091719-news&utm_campaign=position1
Title: Kavanaugh revisited in the context of 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on September 18, 2019, 07:34:48 AM
1.  NY Times proves to be fake news, making Trump right (again) on what should be an outrageous claim.  The nation's top newspaper is less accurate than our loose mouthed, detail challenged President.  NPR and others serving derangement also took the bait.

2.  Many of the Democrats on the top stage previously made their mark on the Senate Judiciary Committee attacking the integrity of Kavanaugh.  They opposed due process and truth, participated in a witch trial, competed for attention and notoriety and voted against a perfectly qualified appointee of the opposing party for ostensibly all the wrong reasons.  Harris, Booker, Klobuchar in particular, participated, also Warren and Sanders.

3.  This was already poll tested immediately following the confirmation across the heartland.  Sens. Joe Donnelly of Indiana, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Bill Nelson of Florida, and Claire McCaskill of Missouri all voted against Kavanaugh and lost their seats in the Senate, during an otherwise Democrat year.

4.  They are still stepping in it.  See tweets:

Last year the Kavanaugh nomination was rammed through the Senate without a thorough examination of the allegations against him. Confirmation is not exoneration, and these newest revelations are disturbing. Like the man who appointed him, Kavanaugh should be impeached.
— Elizabeth Warren (@ewarren) September 15, 2019

I sat through those hearings. Brett Kavanaugh lied to the U.S. Senate and most importantly to the American people. He was put on the Court through a sham process and his place on the Court is an insult to the pursuit of truth and justice.

He must be impeached.
— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) September 15, 2019

Warren and Harris aren't just trying to win Massachusetts and California anymore, and one of them may wish to win more than just the Dem nomination.

5. The fight over Kavanaugh was admitted by her activist lawyers to be a surrogate fight over the unrestricted right to an abortion.  The Democratic Party narrowed its reach by purging all that don't follow that doctrine even though science keeps proving further and further that the unborn is alive, human and or distinct DNA from  the father and mother.  Meanwhile the rest of the public isn't buying the sacrosanctity of the right to kill your offspring. 

Gallup for example says:  60% of Americans Want All or Most Abortions Made Illegal
https://www.lifenews.com/2019/06/25/gallup-poll-60-of-americans-want-all-or-most-abortions-made-illegal/

The people outside of the Left wing bubble are not part of the unlimited abortion death cult.

6.  Not Kavanaugh by name, but Trump's promise to appoint Justices like Kavanaugh was one of the largest factors pulling his side together and pushing Trump over the Presidential finish line.  Gorsuch and Kavanaugh turned out to be excellent picks, among Trump's biggest accomplishments and promises kept.  That commitment alone helps Republicans, conservatives, libertarians and constitutionalists to come together and pull the lever for an otherwise flawed man seeking reelection in an extremely divided environment. 

Liberal judicial activism sells well at a Warren rally and in a Democrat debate, but not as well across the heartland or in the electoral college, another constitutional relic they used to favor and now seek to go around and then abolish. 
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, issues polli g
Post by: DougMacG on September 19, 2019, 06:49:21 AM
A recent Harvard/Harris Poll of 2,531 registered voters shows why.

Unlike other polls, this one attempted to gauge support for Trump and a Democratic opponent without using any names. The question just described their respective agendas.

Here’s the text:

“Which candidate are you more likely to vote for:

“A presidential candidate who stands for the green new deal on climate change, Medicare for all, free college tuition, opening our borders to many more immigrants and raising taxes to pay for these programs.”

Or …

“A presidential candidate who stands for lower taxes and reduced government regulations, strengthening our military, strengthening our border to reduce illegal immigrants, standing up more to China and Iran and seeking better trade deals for the US.”

You’d be hard-pressed to come up with a more concise description of what President Donald Trump and any of the leading Democratic candidates stand for.

The result: A stunning 61% say they’d vote for Trump’s agenda.

Among independents, 65% chose the Trump agenda, as did every age group except those 18-34, who split 50-50. Even among Democrats, more than a third said they’d vote against the candidate pushing the current Democratic agenda.

The poll went further and broke out specific policy issues. There wasn’t one item on the Democratic agenda that came in the top six. Only 38% say they were likely to vote for a candidate who promised to “raise taxes to pay for these programs.” On the other hand, 83% said they’d likely support a candidate who promised to lower taxes.

https://issuesinsights.com/2019/09/19/dems-will-have-to-lie-about-their-agenda-to-win-poll-shows/
Title: poll on policy agendas
Post by: ccp on September 19, 2019, 07:03:33 AM
"The result: A stunning 61% say they’d vote for Trump’s agenda.

Among independents, 65% chose the Trump agenda, as did every age group except those 18-34, who split 50-50. Even among Democrats, more than a third said they’d vote against the candidate pushing the current Democratic agenda."

excellent find.  Excellent points.

if Trump only listened to us and many others about controlling his impulsiveness .
there is not question his some of his personality flaws are killing him .
at the same time he is the only one with a fighting spirit and stick to it ness (so to speak) on the right side of the political aisle
so some of her traits are good.

what can I say .  like all of us here we vote for the agenda
personality is out the window.

the left has always done that.
Title: Making Minnesota RED ?
Post by: ccp on September 21, 2019, 08:44:50 AM
https://pjmedia.com/trending/cnn-discovers-minnesota-is-turning-to-trump/
Title: Re: Making Minnesota RED ?
Post by: G M on September 21, 2019, 05:35:56 PM
https://pjmedia.com/trending/cnn-discovers-minnesota-is-turning-to-trump/

Perhaps the residents Mogadishuapolis are getting tired of the crime?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACPdvckwMS0
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 22, 2019, 07:46:56 AM
https://m.thebl.com/politics/trump-could-be-the-republican-with-the-highest-percentage-of-african-american-vote-in-history.html
Title: what no felon vote for Trump?
Post by: ccp on September 24, 2019, 03:54:49 PM
 :x

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/trump-reportedly-regrets-passage-jailbreak-first-step-act-gullible-conservatives-supported/

Thanks J rod

I was wondering why we haven't see the J rod in the news lately.  I guess he is too busy fixing the Middle East. 

watch crime go up  in a few yrs .

well see........

Maybe this might a make  a microscopic dent in the AFrican American vote
   may a percent or two.
Title: In the wings, the Dowager Empress plots , , ,
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 03, 2019, 11:54:41 AM


https://www.fec.gov/data/candidate/P00003392/?tab=raising&cycle=2020&election_full=False&fbclid=IwAR3md0wdSB0TrPmYwzRprg6sPfHIP7VHQJWQWWlWujUOO-JCjJF4y26dVss
Title: Re: In the wings, the Dowager Empress plots , , ,
Post by: G M on October 03, 2019, 04:43:12 PM


https://www.fec.gov/data/candidate/P00003392/?tab=raising&cycle=2020&election_full=False&fbclid=IwAR3md0wdSB0TrPmYwzRprg6sPfHIP7VHQJWQWWlWujUOO-JCjJF4y26dVss

I would love to see her lose twice to Trump.
Title: 2020 Presidential election, Who benefits from the Biden implosion?
Post by: DougMacG on October 07, 2019, 08:00:06 AM
All the statements of the msm and Dems (redundancy apology) indicate Biden is fine; he did nothing wrong, they say, but everyone knows that isn't true and this topic is consuming him.  Instead of the instant crash that someone caught up in something like this should expect, it looks like Biden will suffer a slow political death for his corruption.  He still leads in some polls but the underlying rationale for Biden, that he alone can beat Trump, is gone.

Biden is now in 5th place in the money race [counting Trump], with no sign that he can turn that around.  Most of that lost enthusiasm happened before Ukraine blew up. 

On the surface, it is Warren who benefits.  She becomes the new frontrunner but doesn't really gain a supporter.  She will benefit more from Bernie's fall, but that is far from certain at this point.  She may be frontrunner now, but still is a Left-laner, not a uniter.  She may be exactly the socialist, anti-capitalist that Trump has hoped all along to run against.  She is not in the business of hiding her real views, like Obama used to.

It's strange with all these contestants that no one else is in a position to gain from Biden's fall.  Bullock, Bennet, Klobuchar?  Beto, Butti, Booker?  No one can see it.

The dynamic of this race has changed even though the polls have not yet. 

Ed Rogers explores the question of who benefits, but doesn't find a good answer:
https://www.journalnow.com/opinion/columnists/ed-rogers-who-benefits-from-a-biden-collapse/article_d459bc88-e615-11e9-9459-af036b5227d3.html
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on October 07, 2019, 08:30:55 AM
" .All the statements of the msm and Dems (redundancy apology) indicate Biden is fine; he did nothing wrong, they say "

it is really ASTOUNDING to see the MSM covering for him
the freaking blatant hypocricy

for all to witness in glaring obviosity
 :x
Title: Sparacus rises again
Post by: ccp on October 07, 2019, 02:51:02 PM
https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/cory-booker-if-you-come-after-joe-biden-youre-going-to-have-to-deal-with-me/

I was speaking to someone who was evidently a very liberal Jewish guy
I mentioned how Cory grew up right near us.

He then proceeded to tell me how brilliant he is and that in addition he speaks Yiddish

I could just see him speaking to a local synagogue  speaking in Yiddish (who speaks this anymore anyway?)
like he speaks  a bit of Spanish
and all the old Jewish ladies thinking what a nice mench

The same guy then excused his poor showing as explaining not being "his time".

Oh vey , we are going to have to hear Cory for every election for the next 30 yrs?     :-o
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 07, 2019, 05:54:31 PM
His schtick on his relationship with Judaism and Jews is actually pretty damn good.  Definitely more than superficial.
Title: Cory may not be Spartacus ; Maybe Samson?
Post by: ccp on October 08, 2019, 04:45:15 AM
https://www.jta.org/2019/02/01/politics/five-jewish-things-about-cory-booker

 :-o
Title: POTH on Tulsi Gabbard
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 14, 2019, 07:38:11 AM


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&fbclid=IwAR1DxowtD0F9bR184RltWNXRMrEoV8bn33S6q4MTRN8-PPYWuArG7BTTEdg
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 14, 2019, 07:41:07 AM
Headline here is dishonest, but the substance remarkable nonetheless

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/pete-buttigieg-thinks-it-should-be-legal-to-knowingly-give-someone-hiv
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 15, 2019, 06:20:12 AM
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/465806-progressive-group-releases-supreme-court-shortlist-for-2020?fbclid=IwAR13DYEc1UinUfcmYigtaGy1yhgoHzwkdrMTlpyVjBoSW610fdZoYVcCh08
Title: Tommy Steyer
Post by: ccp on October 16, 2019, 07:43:17 AM
anyone know how much it cost him to qualify for yesterday's debate?

but I like Wang.
I meant too bad Wang is a leftist
I do not like Steyer at all

Wang is particularly interesting and novel.
The only one with real creative ideas in my (of course very humble ) opinion.



Title: 2020: Tommy Steyer, Dem debate, Dem field
Post by: DougMacG on October 16, 2019, 08:38:01 AM
anyone know how much it cost him to qualify for yesterday's debate?

too bad he is a  Leftist
but I like Wang.

Wang is particularly interesting and novel.
The only one with real creative ideas in my (of course very humble ) opinion.

"too bad he is a Leftist"!  Without sarcasm, Steyer is a very scary Leftist.

Yang and Tulsi are the only ones that are interesting.  In both cases, their views don't fully hold up to scrutiny.  They are not as far Left as the others and they won't be the nominee by splitting with Leftist orthodoxy.  Amy would be the reasonable moderate if her manufactured public image was her real self. 

Separate from substance or ideology different from ours, was there anyone on the stage who made you want to hear more from them?  Not for me.  Butti - no.  Harris - no.  Booker - no.  Beto - toast.  Lightweights.  Maybe good for student council speeches.

Bernie is back. 

Biden tried to compete with Bernie's anger.  Biden said his son did nothing wrong, he did nothing wrong, and there was no follow up.  That means the others including the moderators know he is done. 

Warren is the front runner but is loaded with weaknesses. 
---
Each candidate, especially the also-rans, believed this was their big,make or break chance.  Mean and bitchy Amy had her sweet smile face on.  She jumped in where she had nothing to say and pivoted to a story about herself.  'This isn't flyover country to me; it's where I live.  I'm so popular here that I won Michelle Bachmann's district - 3 times.  [How many watching know who that is or anything about the political balance of that district?  She didn't run or win against anyone like Trump!]  Amy went on with her rehearsed and scripted joke:  'I'm going to build a blue wall around these Midwest states and make Donald Trump pay for it!'  Ha, Ha ha!  Except no one laughed.  No one even smiled at it or acknowledged the attempt at humor.  That was supposed to bring the house down.  She scolded a small audience in Iowa, that's where you're supposed to applaud.  Pretty much the same excitement level for all the others.

No question or comment on China or Hong Kong.

Zero questions on Climate Change.  Existential.

No questions about the national debt.
Title: AOC, Omar to endorse Bernie Sanders
Post by: DougMacG on October 16, 2019, 09:06:21 AM
This is shocking. (sarc.)

My fear is that they are trying to paint Warren as the moderate.  Will Warren respond to the renewal of the Bernie challenge by pretending to be more moderate or by embracing all his wacko views as she has already done.

AOC to endorse Bernie Sanders in 2020 Democratic presidential primary
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/10/15/democratic-primary-aoc-endorse-bernie-sanders-president/3994047002/

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/466017-omar-endorses-sanders-presidential-bid
Title: Hillary: Tulsi is Russian puppet
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 18, 2019, 11:29:10 AM
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/hillary-clinton-claims-russians-grooming-tulsi-gabbard-as-third-party-candidate/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=breaking&utm_campaign=newstrack&utm_content=Hillary%20Clinton%20Claims%20Russians%20%E2%80%98Grooming%E2%80%99%20Tulsi%20Gabbard%20as%20Third-Party%20Candidate&utm_term=18371206
Title: Tulsi Gabbard supports BDS bill
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 19, 2019, 12:42:09 PM
https://www.jns.org/opinion/gabbard-co-sponsors-omars-pro-bds-bill/?fbclid=IwAR0sNKJcQmwLMQLKe473wVXFXjiehrTL_6R8qmaNDH5GphB16wqMqoPiKPI
Title: Trump and the Black Vote
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 19, 2019, 08:32:48 PM
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/03/pastor_darrell_scott_trump_most_pro-black_president_in_my_lifetime.html?fbclid=IwAR2Ou8IWAcgdPMTdoGYAe5PQYODnhrKW_g9ffZvgws0UXRx8AGlL8RYezQk
Title: Tulsi Gabbord
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 21, 2019, 12:42:34 PM


https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2019/10/21/20924507/video-us-presidential-candidate-tulsi-gabbard-trains-with-ufc-champ-weili-zhang?fbclid=IwAR037sxzjRRpXJpQVd-_Q7-c9KoGvCNr9Qw7v0r1eyKmBaYC3LT1LQP5-LU
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on October 21, 2019, 02:20:48 PM
her knees, elbows, and roundhouses look crisp painful  :-o
 
CD, might you invite her to a stick fight?   :-D

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 21, 2019, 02:23:09 PM
Eh, I thought her rather slow  :evil:
Title: CD question
Post by: ccp on October 21, 2019, 02:40:58 PM
CD,

Do you think she could take booti?



Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 21, 2019, 04:15:41 PM
"Booti"?
Title: Booti- short for buttigieg
Post by: ccp on October 21, 2019, 04:58:21 PM
Her name for him is Mayor Pete
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 21, 2019, 05:37:14 PM
Oh, you mean Wife Buttgig-- why didn't you say so?
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on October 22, 2019, 02:27:31 PM
Its biden, its harris, no its warren, now booti, next month clinton redux x 3, maybe the big lib boomer (wait wasn't he .a republican then independent or just whoever will have him?)

Steyer found money can't buy everything.......

I predict warren and outside shot clinton.

Title: Morris on Buttgig
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 22, 2019, 03:24:12 PM
http://www.dickmorris.com/buttigieg-emerges-as-warrens-chief-challenger-2020-election-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports
Title: caution source CNN
Post by: ccp on October 23, 2019, 09:04:53 AM
dems now running

back to plugged botoxed, face lifted red eyed man


https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/23/politics/cnn-poll-biden-lead-increases/index.html

all a bunch of garbage polls with about as much believability as the rest of  CNN.

Perhaps should have posted in the humor thread  :evil:
Title: 2020 Presidential: Biden leads Warren in 5 of the last 6 natl polls
Post by: DougMacG on October 24, 2019, 06:46:22 AM
quote author=ccp
...
back to plugged botoxed, face lifted red eyed man
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/23/politics/cnn-poll-biden-lead-increases/index.html
...

Warren's test drive as front runner lasted about a minute.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

Not because Biden improved but because Warren looks like a loser against Trump. Dems don't trust the polls that say any Dem beats Trump.  I should have been sending her money instead of ripping her policies on the forum. 

Best prediction on what we know now: all the top Dems win delegates and we go into a divided Dem convention, mid-July, 2020 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 

Title: Coulter: questions for the 2020 Dem debates
Post by: DougMacG on October 24, 2019, 07:24:30 AM
Question for Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas):

You were given a huge round of applause when you said “yes” to the following question: “Do you think religious institutions, like colleges, churches, charities, should they lose their tax-exempt status if they oppose same-sex marriage?”

Could you please answer that question again, so the Trump campaign can get another camera angle?
...
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/466868-coulter-debate-questions-that-the-democrats-should-have-been-asked
Title: Roger Stone
Post by: ccp on October 26, 2019, 08:21:34 AM
Stone is right of course about impeachment, but what I find interesting about this article is the mention of  a new biography on Spartacus.

I really don't follow state or local news much, and I have not heard any negative news about the Yiddish Rhodes Scholar so that will be of interest to me:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/25/roger-stone-naive-to-believe-donald-trump-will-not/

OTOH there is something lkable about Corey.  Of course he is a Democrat Party operative
but he just isn't as detestable to me as most of the other Dems for some reason.   :|
Title: 2020 Presidential election - Socialists Unite, Sanders to rally with Omar
Post by: DougMacG on October 28, 2019, 08:42:31 AM
Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders and Minnesota U.S. Rep. Ilhan Omar will appear together next month at the University of Minnesota.

The Nov. 3 rally in the Northrop Auditorium on the Minneapolis campus is Sanders’ first visit to the state since this summer, when he campaigned at the State Fair. Omar, a first-term congresswoman from Minneapolis, was one of three freshman Democrats who recently endorsed Sanders' campaign for president in 2020.

They include New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who held a rally with Sanders in Queens last week. Rep. Rashida Tlaib, a Democrat from Michigan, also endorsed Sanders and is holding a rally with him in Detroit.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/10/25/sanders-omar-to-rally-in-minneapolis

Doors open at 4:30 p.m. and the rally is scheduled to start at 6 p.m. It’s free and open to the public.
-----------------
This will be big. 
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 28, 2019, 05:26:03 PM
The gifts they just keep coming  :-D
Title: Joe Biden corruption
Post by: ppulatie on October 28, 2019, 06:40:24 PM
Hey all!

Thought I would pop in and relay what is happening with Trump with us "simple" people.

The support for Trump is solid. And frankly, we not only don't care about the comments he makes, we actually love it that he is fighting and is crass as time. He speaks as we speak, and understands us.

There are some hard right that claim they will not vote for him because he has not built the wall yet, or else not stopped illegal immigration, but those are a small minority, and most will vote for him in the end.

There is growing support for Trump among blacks and hispanics, those who are not dependent upon government handouts. Just that alone would be enough to put him over the top.

As to Biden, I would direct you to an article I wrote last week. It was a series, The 12 Days of Corrupt Democratic Politicians. 

This was Day 11, Joe Biden day.  https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/193310/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/193310/)

What I got out of doing the series was a true understanding of just how corrupt all politicians are. And why all are fighting Trump and the Ukraine.  The corruption is just unbelievable.

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, PP
Post by: DougMacG on October 29, 2019, 05:41:02 AM
Good work Pat.  Tracking corruption with Democrats is exhausting work.  I haven't read it all yet but would point out that day 5 on John Brennan is particularly good.

The Pulitzer Prize was awarded to the New York Times And The Washington Post for Russian Collusion stories that all turned out to be false. When they take back that award, maybe they can award it to PP for this series at Spartareport.com.
 
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ppulatie on October 29, 2019, 07:32:03 AM
Thanks!  It was fun doing it, until the last couple. Just too much info and did not want to write a book.

New series will be the 12 Days of News Media Idiots.  Problem there is that they are all idiots, so how do I select who fits in the 12 Days.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on October 29, 2019, 11:06:25 AM
great summary of 'some' of the Clintons scandals.   No doubt there are more we don't even know about.

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 29, 2019, 11:46:26 AM
Pat:

I went to the site and could find only Hillary and Brennan, and could not open the Biden one.

Would love to have the URLs for all 12!
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ppulatie on October 29, 2019, 12:11:58 PM
Let me see what I can do.
Title: Our Pat on the Big Twelve Corrupt Politicians
Post by: ppulatie on October 29, 2019, 12:20:35 PM
https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/pu-presents-the-12-days-of-corrupt-democrat-politicians-the-1st-day/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/pu-presents-the-12-days-of-corrupt-democrat-politicians-the-1st-day/)

https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democrat-politicians-day-2/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democrat-politicians-day-2/)

https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-3/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-3/)

https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-4/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-4/)

https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-5/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-5/)

https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-6/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-6/)

https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-7/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-7/)

https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/pu-presents-the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians/  (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/pu-presents-the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians/)    (day 8)

https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-9/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-9/)

https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/pu-presents-his-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-10/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/pu-presents-his-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-10/)

https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/193310/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/193310/)  (Joe Biden Day 11)

https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/pus-the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-12/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/pus-the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-12/)




Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 29, 2019, 01:38:16 PM
Thank you  8-)
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Trump in 30 seconds
Post by: DougMacG on October 31, 2019, 01:16:58 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1189715310766645254/video/1

and they missed a few, 8 million people off of food stamps, lowest Hispanic, black, female unemployment in history, etc.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 31, 2019, 09:45:41 PM
 8-) 8-) 8-)
Title: Not a good idea
Post by: ccp on November 01, 2019, 02:03:36 PM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/nov/1/private-group-seeks-volunteers-conceal-carry-permi/
Title: Re: Not a good idea
Post by: DougMacG on November 01, 2019, 05:16:29 PM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/nov/1/private-group-seeks-volunteers-conceal-carry-permi/

I think I mentioned wanting a concealed carry escort to the Minneapolis rally and one reason I didn't go was because I didn't feel secure about walking back to the car after the rally to the edges of downtown that already are after-hours murder zones [and not exactly Trump country]:
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=576634548ffc4304bf9df0fb2b802f8d

"Concealed carry" is one thing.  Brandishing the weapon without justification is another, generally the "fear that death or grievous bodily harm is about to come to someone due to the violent actions of another".
https://www.quora.com/If-you-carry-a-concealed-weapon-under-what-circumstance-would-you-pull-it-out
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Beto OUT, OMG!
Post by: DougMacG on November 01, 2019, 05:53:29 PM
Just weeks after saying, "hell yeah!"  [We're gonna come and take your guns.]

They weren't supposed to say that out loud.

Where will his voter go now??
Title: Presidential, Polls: Mondale leads Reagan by 9 points (1983)
Post by: DougMacG on November 04, 2019, 03:30:59 PM
https://theharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Harris-Interactive-Poll-Research-MONDALE-LEADS-REAGAN-IN-TRIAL-HEAT-FOR-THE-PRESIDENCY-1983-01.pdf

Harris survey:  In a trial heat for the 1984 presidential election, former Vice President Walter Mondale is now leading President Ronald Reagan by a 53-44 percent margin. This is the first time in modern political history that an incumbent president has run behind his potential opponent so early in his term.
-----------
Results 1984:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/ElectoralCollege1984.svg/696px-ElectoralCollege1984.svg.png)
-----------

1988, Dukakis Widens lead over Bush, [July 27 1988]
https://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/26/us/dukakis-lead-widens-according-to-new-poll.html
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 04, 2019, 04:02:21 PM
Far out. :-D
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 07, 2019, 02:09:01 PM
https://spectator.us/mesmerizing-mediocrity-trumps-opponents/
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 07, 2019, 02:21:13 PM
I saw on TV that Sanders released his immigration border policy.  Do we anything on the specifics?
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ppulatie on November 07, 2019, 03:36:00 PM
Sparta Report has Day 1 of the 12 Days of News Media Clowns up.  John Harwood is Day 1.

https://www.spartareport.com/2019/11/pu-presents-the-12-days-of-news-media-clowns-day-1/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/11/pu-presents-the-12-days-of-news-media-clowns-day-1/)
Title: Will Boomer get a ticker tape parade on Madison Ave?
Post by: ccp on November 07, 2019, 03:53:13 PM
Anderson Cooper will possibly be his first "interview" - 
Zucker already holding a champaign donor meet in NYC with the big leftest Dems

The elites will love him

pro business
major lib policies ,  but not stupid policies
and he will pretend he is a compromiser and problem solver - of course as long as one accepts major liberal policies.

Not sure how he would do on the national stage

He could be a real threat...

Hillary will likely jump in too.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 07, 2019, 04:35:23 PM
NYC Jew coming to take your guns and your sodas vs. he could really mock Trump the psuedo-billionaire business genius.
Title: E. Holder
Post by: ccp on November 08, 2019, 06:05:26 AM
about Virginia

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/nov/7/eric-holders-idea-fair-all-democrats-all-time/

again read he might well jump in for Prez

Prefers big gov and liberal policies to help minorities
which is his total MO
identity politics

Obama redux....

Lets see , Democrat field to go from Butti, Liz, Joe, Bernie, Kamela , Cory

to Hill, Napoleon Eric, Steys

One worse than the other

Eric, the  reparations king, and corrupt, is justs as polarizing as Hillary.
Sure I see him as representing me and all Americans and my country with uniformity .....    :roll:



Title: Re: Eric Holder
Post by: DougMacG on November 08, 2019, 06:28:25 AM
...
again read he might well jump in for Prez

Prefers big gov and liberal policies to help minorities
which is his total MO
identity politics
Obama redux....
Lets see , Democrat field to go from Butti, Liz, Joe, Bernie, Kamela , Cory
to Hill, Napoleon Eric, Steys
One worse than the other
Eric, the  reparations king, and corrupt, is just as polarizing as Hillary.
Sure I see him as representing me and all Americans and my country with uniformity .....    :roll:

Had anyone heard of him before he was appointed AG?  Never elected to anything.  Because Trump did that, everyone thinks they can, but Holder is not an outside of any sort.  He is perfectly entitled to enter the Dem field and compete for the nomination with his skills and baggage.  Trump would love to run against the record of the Obama administration.

Trump is criticized that he is down to just yes-men serving him.  Yes-man is all Holder brought to the AG job other than being (part) black.
https://outline.com/wxVa5d

I know of another Columbia Law School grad, outsider, that would make a much better President than Holder.
Title: Re: Michael Bloomberg
Post by: DougMacG on November 08, 2019, 07:10:59 AM
Anderson Cooper will possibly be his first "interview" - 
Zucker already holding a champaign donor meet in NYC with the big leftest Dems
The elites will love him
pro business
major lib policies ,  but not stupid policies
and he will pretend he is a compromiser and problem solver - of course as long as one accepts major liberal policies.
Not sure how he would do on the national stage
He could be a real threat...
Hillary will likely jump in too.
NYC Jew coming to take your guns and your sodas vs. he could really mock Trump the psuedo-billionaire business genius.

Definitely a wild card, but at this point I think people see him as a Democrat.

In terms of election rules, I don't see why he gets a free ride to the general election when you look at all the hoops Obama, Trump, McCain, Romney, Hillary (and Beto, Kamala, Newt, etc.) have to jump through to (try to) get there.
Don't people resent that he gets there just because of money?

Yes, he is a more authentic billionaire than Trump (Trump isn't rich enough?), he gives more to charity, but this election will be about policies, results and emotions.  He is roughly the same age as Bernie Sanders.  I can't see him filling the Superdome and thrilling the crowd for hours (with his vision of smaller sodas).

"As of November 2019, his net worth was estimated at $53 billion,[3] making him the 9th richest person in the United States and the 14th richest person in the world."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg

He could hurt either side, but more likely the Dems.  If they pick an AOC-Omar Dem like Warren or Bernie, he gives moderate Dems an acceptable anti-Trump choice.  If they pick a moderate he splits their vote.   None of the current Dems are exciting anyone.  He also picks off some Kasich-like, never-Trumpers, but none of the base.

Most likely he finds out like everyone else does that running for President is harder than it looks. 

Bloomberg Agenda:  Coercive Paternalism.  How does a guy who doesn't trust a restaurant or a patron to size their own soda not insult his voters as he explains that?  I'm offended and I don't even like soda.  What will he restrict next?

Yet he trusts you to kill your own baby:  "As mayor, Bloomberg pushed radical pro-abortion policies on New York City, including an ordinance that restricted pro-life pregnancy centers’ free speech."
https://www.lifenews.com/2011/03/16/new-york-mayor-bloomberg-signs-bill-hurting-pregnancy-centers/
https://www.lifenews.com/2018/09/18/pro-abortion-billionaire-michael-bloomberg-considering-2020-presidential-bid/
https://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/02/bloomberg-gives-planned-parenthood-250k-as-40-of-nyc-babies-aborted/
https://www.lifenews.com/2014/05/02/billionaire-mike-bloomberg-promises-to-push-eugenics-after-winning-planned-parenthood-award/

He is a pro-abortion, anti-gun, government-knows-best Democrat who used to be a Republican.  He is not in the Democrat primaries only because he knew he couldn't win, not because he isn't one of  them.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on November 08, 2019, 07:52:35 AM
" .Don't people resent that he gets there just because of money?"

I sure do.

Didn't stop Tommy Steyer from getting into a debate only because of his cash.

Though all his cash has not provided dividends :
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/tom-steyer-proves-money-doesnt-matter/

Boomer the NYC Jewish Napoleon does have more name recognition and has had one elected office (mayor)
then Tommy .

NYC mayors have a lot of ego but have not done well though : Ruddy , Deblasay etc.
  But 20 billion can only help . 
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 08, 2019, 08:28:06 AM
Bloomberg is 77?
Title: Cat fight!
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 08, 2019, 09:00:11 AM
https://patriotpost.us/articles/66677-clinton-throws-cold-water-on-elizabeth-warren?mailing_id=4643&utm_medium=email&utm_source=pp.email.4643&utm_campaign=digest&utm_content=body
Title: Re: Cat fight!
Post by: G M on November 08, 2019, 09:19:43 AM
https://patriotpost.us/articles/66677-clinton-throws-cold-water-on-elizabeth-warren?mailing_id=4643&utm_medium=email&utm_source=pp.email.4643&utm_campaign=digest&utm_content=body

From underneath a pile of empty Chardonnay boxes, Hillary plots her return...
Title: Bloomberg dropped from harrassment suit 9/24/19
Post by: ccp on November 08, 2019, 03:01:02 PM
https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2019/09/24/michael-bloomberg-dropped-from-sexual-harassment-lawsuit-first-department-rules/?slreturn=20191008175850
Title: Re: 2020 / Michael Bloomberg
Post by: DougMacG on November 10, 2019, 08:00:01 AM
Revise and extend...  I wrote yesterday (erroneously?) thinking Bloomberg was jumping in as independent bypassing the primaries but he is (allegedly) jumping in as a Democrat joining the Dem field.  That is a different matter.  He is entirely qualified to join that field, perhaps the most qualified in it.  And he is properly labeled; Bloomberg is a Democrat.

Quoting Ralph Nader, more voices, more choices!

I don't know how 'pro-business' he is, but certainly more so than the AOC Sanders Warren wing. 

His money alone will not buy him a single vote much less win him the nomination and I don't see how, if he is moderate, he unites that party.  His money will help get his message out, whatever that is.  His message will win or lose the race.

Who in this race is the swing state, two term or more former Democrat running with executive experience running (with Hickenlooper out)?  No one.  Not Biden, not Warren, not Harris, not Booker, not Gabbard and so on.  Sanders and Butti were mayors of relatively small towns.  Mayor of NYC counts as real experience.  Whether it was good or bad experience is  a matter for voters to judge. 

I don't know much about his 'business' experience.  Bloomberg (LP) is more than just 'journalism', includes financial services and software.  If he catches on, we will probably learn more about that, but hard to argue he was not successful.

He wrote read the book on coercive paternalism, one component of the current Dem governance.

Looking at it from the Republican side, some wish for Dems to choose their most far Left nominee so that he /she will be easier to beat.  I say, be careful what you wish for, sometimes they win, cf. Barack Obama.  The Republic would survive a Bloomberg presidency.  Not so sure with the others.

I think he won't win the nomination but will be a nice contrast and challenge on stage to the Warren wing rhetoric.  His policies, if they mostly involve sanity, won't placate the base.  I still fear he will enter later as an independent which is unfair; the general election is not a losers bracket for billionaires.  But even then I think he would mostly take from the Dem side.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 10, 2019, 08:42:54 AM
I'm sure it is a coincidence that he entered after  Forked Tongue Warren's Asset Forfeiture Tax on billionaires , , ,
Title: Wait I thought they thought they do not pay enough.
Post by: ccp on November 11, 2019, 05:01:12 AM
" .I'm sure it is a coincidence that he entered after  Forked Tongue Warren's Asset Forfeiture Tax on billionaires , , ,"

That even got Bill Gates' attention.

I haven't read what Warren Buffet thinks.  You know the guy who is mighty happy to pay more because he thinks wealthy people don't pay enough.

Suddenly, the confiscation is no longer in "pocket change" amounts for these billionaires.

My personal opinion is they already pay plenty  -  too much - like most of us little people.
Title: Re: Wait I thought they thought they do not pay enough.
Post by: DougMacG on November 11, 2019, 08:06:30 AM
When they pass the wealth tax, make sure they put the agreed limits in the amendment:

Wealth below $50 million, inflation adjusted, cannot be taxed.  Wealth 50 million to 1 billion, inflation  adjusted, cannot be taxed above 2% and wealth greater than 1 billion, inflation adjusted, cannot be taxed above 3%.

Better yet, in the spirit of equal protection under the law, write the amendment to say that all wealth must be taxed equally or not taxed at all, and see if that gets it stopped.

These morons cannot point to one place where their proposed policies have worked.

There is not transaction or money flow associated with a tax on an unsold asset.  Your family business becomes not your family business.  Your home becomes not your home.  That you support it because it applies only to others and not to you or your family is wrong on so many levels.
Title: Mayor Pete's latest trillions
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 11, 2019, 02:28:29 PM
Mayor Pete’s Latest Trillions
His ‘economic’ agenda is all spending and taxes and no growth.
By The Editorial Board
Nov. 10, 2019 3:28 pm ET

Democratic presidential hopeful Mayor Pete Buttigieg speaks during a town hall in Lebanon, NH, on November 9, 2019. PHOTO: JIM WATSON/AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES
Pete Buttigieg is getting a hard look from anxious Democrats. If Joe Biden can’t perform better and Elizabeth Warren seems unelectable, then who’s on deck? Maybe it’s Pete, the mild Midwestern mayor. Over the past month Mr. Buttigieg has risen steadily in the Real Clear Politics polling average to a solid fourth place, with about 7% support.

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As a result, he’ll be getting more scrutiny for his ideas, and on Friday he released what he called “An Economic Agenda for American Families.” For a candidate who wants to occupy the moderate lane, Mr. Buttigieg’s policy details veer notably left. Some highlights:

• $700 billion—presumably over 10 years, but the plan doesn’t specifically say—for “universal, high-quality, and full-day early learning.” That includes giving “lower-income families” free care “from birth through age five.”

• $500 billion “to make college affordable.” That means free tuition at public universities for the 80% of students whose families earn up to $100,000 a year. Households under $150,000 would get discounts.

• $430 billion for “affordable housing.” That includes enabling “one million low-income families to become homeowners” through support such as “federal down payment assistance.”

• $400 billion to top off the Earned Income Tax Credit, which would “increase incomes by an average of $1,000 per year for 35 million American families.”

• $200 billion to “provide transition assistance for displaced workers and communities.”

• $80 billion to “deliver high-speed broadband internet to underserved communities.”

• $50 billion for “workforce training and lifelong learning.”

• A $15 national minimum wage, which includes eliminating “the tipped minimum wage and the subminimum wage” that today lets disabled workers and students in vocational training get into the job market and learn skills to advance.

• “An end to so-called ‘right-to-work’ laws” in 27 states, plus governance changes to “enable multi-employer bargaining and ensure that gig workers can unionize.”

This isn’t an economic agenda, and there isn’t a pro-growth item anywhere. It’s a social-welfare spending and union wish list. Mr. Buttigieg tosses off these grand plans in a seven-page campaign paper, which mentions not once how he intends to pay for them. Don’t forget the billions more he has allocated to green energy, as well as his $1.5 trillion health-care public option, “Medicare for All Who Want It.”

So far Mayor Pete’s agenda totals $5.7 trillion, as his campaign told the Indianapolis Star last week. Mr. Buttigieg plans to pay for it, the Star reports, “largely through a capital gains tax on the top 1% of all earners and through eliminating President Donald Trump’s tax cuts.” Details to come later, apparently.

Mayor Pete’s policy wish list is shorter and cheaper than Elizabeth Warren’s, but it still includes gigantic tax increases to finance a huge expansion of the welfare and entitlement state. Call it Warren lite.
Title: Re: Mayor Pete's latest trillions
Post by: DougMacG on November 11, 2019, 05:42:32 PM
Some observations of mine in addition to those of the WSJ.

Mr. Buttigieg has risen steadily in the Real Clear Politics polling average to a solid fourth place [of Democrats], with about 7% support [of Democrats].
...
• $700 billion—presumably over 10 years, but the plan doesn’t specifically say—for “universal, high-quality, and full-day early learning.” That includes giving “lower-income families” free care “from birth through age five.”

    - His first point falls right into the Leftist strategy of getting your children from birth.  This is a cultural issue, not just a fiscal issue.  Besides the children, the childcare teachers are indoctrinated too - at your expense.

• $500 billion “to make college affordable.” That means free tuition at public universities for the 80% of students whose families earn up to $100,000 a year. Households under $150,000 would get discounts.

   - His second point falls right into the Leftist strategy of defining upward the income levels that need help from the government.  cf. Life of Julia.  Obamacare assistance went up to 4 times the poverty level.  This is way more than that.

• $430 billion for “affordable housing.” That includes enabling “one million low-income families to become homeowners” through support such as “federal down payment assistance.”

   - More people dependent on the government, right while the private is growing more jobs and paying more income to more people than ever.

• $400 billion to top off the Earned Income Tax Credit, which would “increase incomes by an average of $1,000 per year for 35 million American families.”

   - More people dependent on the government, kind of a theme.

• $200 billion to “provide transition assistance for displaced workers and communities.”

   - More people dependent on the government.  Like Bill Clinton used to say in every SOTU, "we can do more..."

• $80 billion to “deliver high-speed broadband internet to underserved communities.”

   - More people dependent on the government.  The Federal Government.

• $50 billion for “workforce training and lifelong learning.”

   - More people dependent on the federal government.  Eventually he will hit a good program - by accident?  Nothing is private sector.  Nothing is state and local responsibility - because that wouldn't count as an agenda.

• A $15 national minimum wage, which includes eliminating “the tipped minimum wage and the subminimum wage” that today lets disabled workers and students in vocational training get into the job market and learn skills to advance.

   - Repeal the laws of supply and demand, then admit it and try to help the people the policy is hurting.

• “An end to so-called ‘right-to-work’ laws” in 27 states, plus governance changes to “enable multi-employer bargaining and ensure that gig workers can unionize.”

   - Repeal the constitution?  No right to work.  Win the union bosses, but not the workers.

WSJ continued:  This isn’t an economic agenda, and there isn’t a pro-growth item anywhere. It’s a social-welfare spending and union wish list. Mr. Buttigieg tosses off these grand plans in a seven-page campaign paper, which mentions not once how he intends to pay for them. Don’t forget the billions more he has allocated to green energy, as well as his $1.5 trillion health-care public option, “Medicare for All Who Want It.”

So far Mayor Pete’s agenda totals $5.7 trillion, as his campaign told the Indianapolis Star last week. Mr. Buttigieg plans to pay for it, the Star reports, “largely through a capital gains tax on the top 1% of all earners and through eliminating President Donald Trump’s tax cuts.” Details to come later, apparently.

   - Repeal Trump's economic growth and wage growth.  First denuy it, then repeal it.

Mayor Pete’s policy wish list is shorter and cheaper than Elizabeth Warren’s, but it still includes gigantic tax increases to finance a huge expansion of the welfare and entitlement state. Call it Warren lite.

    - Less than Warren is not "Lite".
Title: Re: Mayor Pete's latest trillions
Post by: G M on November 11, 2019, 05:54:28 PM
Yeah, but Trump tweets mean things!


Some observations of mine in addition to those of the WSJ.

Mr. Buttigieg has risen steadily in the Real Clear Politics polling average to a solid fourth place [of Democrats], with about 7% support [of Democrats].
...
• $700 billion—presumably over 10 years, but the plan doesn’t specifically say—for “universal, high-quality, and full-day early learning.” That includes giving “lower-income families” free care “from birth through age five.”

    - His first point falls right into the Leftist strategy of getting your children from birth.  This is a cultural issue, not just a fiscal issue.  Besides the children, the childcare teachers are indoctrinated too - at your expense.

• $500 billion “to make college affordable.” That means free tuition at public universities for the 80% of students whose families earn up to $100,000 a year. Households under $150,000 would get discounts.

   - His second point falls right into the Leftist strategy of defining upward the income levels that need help from the government.  cf. Life of Julia.  Obamacare assistance went up to 4 times the poverty level.  This is way more than that.

• $430 billion for “affordable housing.” That includes enabling “one million low-income families to become homeowners” through support such as “federal down payment assistance.”

   - More people dependent on the government, right while the private is growing more jobs and paying more income to more people than ever.

• $400 billion to top off the Earned Income Tax Credit, which would “increase incomes by an average of $1,000 per year for 35 million American families.”

   - More people dependent on the government, kind of a theme.

• $200 billion to “provide transition assistance for displaced workers and communities.”

   - More people dependent on the government.  Like Bill Clinton used to say in every SOTU, "we can do more..."

• $80 billion to “deliver high-speed broadband internet to underserved communities.”

   - More people dependent on the government.  The Federal Government.

• $50 billion for “workforce training and lifelong learning.”

   - More people dependent on the federal government.  Eventually he will hit a good program - by accident?  Nothing is private sector.  Nothing is state and local responsibility - because that wouldn't count as an agenda.

• A $15 national minimum wage, which includes eliminating “the tipped minimum wage and the subminimum wage” that today lets disabled workers and students in vocational training get into the job market and learn skills to advance.

   - Repeal the laws of supply and demand, then admit it and try to help the people the policy is hurting.

• “An end to so-called ‘right-to-work’ laws” in 27 states, plus governance changes to “enable multi-employer bargaining and ensure that gig workers can unionize.”

   - Repeal the constitution?  No right to work.  Win the union bosses, but not the workers.

WSJ continued:  This isn’t an economic agenda, and there isn’t a pro-growth item anywhere. It’s a social-welfare spending and union wish list. Mr. Buttigieg tosses off these grand plans in a seven-page campaign paper, which mentions not once how he intends to pay for them. Don’t forget the billions more he has allocated to green energy, as well as his $1.5 trillion health-care public option, “Medicare for All Who Want It.”

So far Mayor Pete’s agenda totals $5.7 trillion, as his campaign told the Indianapolis Star last week. Mr. Buttigieg plans to pay for it, the Star reports, “largely through a capital gains tax on the top 1% of all earners and through eliminating President Donald Trump’s tax cuts.” Details to come later, apparently.

   - Repeal Trump's economic growth and wage growth.  First denuy it, then repeal it.

Mayor Pete’s policy wish list is shorter and cheaper than Elizabeth Warren’s, but it still includes gigantic tax increases to finance a huge expansion of the welfare and entitlement state. Call it Warren lite.

    - Less than Warren is not "Lite".
Title: anti trumper
Post by: ccp on November 12, 2019, 05:05:44 AM
of course explains the pros outweigh the cons on Boomer for both Repubs and Dems:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/11/michael-bloomberg-presidential-campaign-upsides-for-left-and-right/

as expected

for those who would love government to work again like it did prior to Trump, Boomer fits the bill
Title: Huff Post: Bloomberg, Billionaire Mayor Governed NYC as if he were King
Post by: DougMacG on November 12, 2019, 07:08:40 AM
Williamson is right on one point.  Democrats will pick someone worse than Bloomberg. 

He doesn't say what Bloomberg did that makes him say "Bloomberg boasts an excellent record in office as mayor of New York City".  This article from the further left tells more:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mayor-bloombergs-legacy-t_b_4525526

He balanced a budget that has to be balanced by "initiat[ing] the largest city tax increase in modern history."

Record homelessness [and taxes that the rich can't wait to escape].  He could do the for the whole nation.

Stop and frisk:  Police stopping blacks and Latinos for no crime.  This rose 600% under Bloomberg.  "...largest use of preventive detention of political protesters in more than 230 years on United States history." 

"Many of those arrested were caught in large orange nets that police indiscriminately tossed over sidewalk “holding pens” for protesters. For the imaginary crime of illegally protesting or blocking traffic or defying nonexistent police orders to disperse, more than 1,800 people were handcuffed and bussed to an abandoned, filthy city-owned pier on the West Side highway. They were denied phone calls, medications, food, or even a mat to sit on the oil and chemical covered ground.  Many were held in this condition for more than 24 hours, despite court orders to release them.

The city paid out millions to settle, but Mayor Bloomberg commended the police department’s performance.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/24/nyregion/new-york-is-said-to-settle-suits-over-arrests-at-2004-gop-convention.html

As for the treatment of the peaceful protesters, the mayor remarked, “It’s not supposed to be Club Med.”

"a billionaire mayor who governed  New York City as though he were its king"
No first amendment, no second amendment, no fourth, fifth, 9th or 10th, but let me guess, the trains ran on time.

That's what suburban voters want?
-----------------------
If Amy Klobuchar, Michael Bennet, Steve Bullock and John Delaney lack charisma, it’s not because Michael Bloomberg has been hoarding it.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/11/11/the_futility_of_bloomberg_2020_141704.html
Title: What an election ad should be...
Post by: G M on November 12, 2019, 02:13:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=qRZ6NdYEAFQ&feature=emb_logo
Title: so many people urging her to run
Post by: ccp on November 12, 2019, 04:14:06 PM
here we go as expected; step by step :

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-says-many-many-many-people-are-urging-her-to-run-for-president-in-2020/2019/11/12/ec690f66-059d-11ea-ac12-3325d49eacaa_story.html

she refuses to see even more people are DREADING  her entering the race - even many Democrats!

Title: Re: so many people urging her to run
Post by: G M on November 12, 2019, 05:03:54 PM
here we go as expected; step by step :

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-says-many-many-many-people-are-urging-her-to-run-for-president-in-2020/2019/11/12/ec690f66-059d-11ea-ac12-3325d49eacaa_story.html

she refuses to see even more people are DREADING  her entering the race - even many Democrats!

PLEASE do!
Title: here we go again
Post by: ccp on November 17, 2019, 06:31:08 AM
just happens to be Harvard lawyer

another Mass governor

and civil rights man:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deval_Patrick

He wants to be president of all of us - i guess like someone else we know
Title: Re: here we go again
Post by: DougMacG on November 17, 2019, 07:29:52 AM
just happens to be Harvard lawyer

another Mass governor

and civil rights man:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deval_Patrick

He wants to be president of all of us - i guess like someone else we know

Democrats seems to agree with me / us that none of the  existing candidates are compelling.

Latest poll suggests the mayor who implemented a new utility billing system in South Bend is leading Biden, Warren, Sanders, Harris, Klobuchar et al in Iowa.

If more so called moderates jump in to split that vote, doesn't that just help Warren, Sanders (and Trump)?
Title: WSJ: The Buttgig Experience
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 19, 2019, 10:32:16 AM
The Pete Buttigieg Experience
The mayor isn’t the only one who wants to leave South Bend.

By James Freeman
Nov. 18, 2019 2:12 pm ET

Pete Buttigieg is surging again in presidential campaign polls, and media observers are once again asking whether the mayor of South Bend, Indiana has enough experience to run the U.S. government. Meanwhile, the latest depressing story out of South Bend suggests that what Mr. Buttigieg lacks most of all is achievement.


Liz McLeod
@LizMcLeod
...meanwhile, during the #PeteSummit lunch break #teampete #highhopes


He has certainly achieved a large measure of popularity among Iowa Democrats. Brianne Pfannenstiel reports in the Des Moines Register:

Pete Buttigieg has rocketed to the top of the latest Des Moines Register/CNN/Mediacom Iowa Poll in the latest reshuffling of the top tier of 2020 Democratic presidential candidates.
Since September, Buttigieg has risen 16 percentage points among Iowa’s likely Democratic caucusgoers, with 25% now saying he is their first choice for president. For the first time in the Register’s Iowa Poll, he bests rivals Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, who are now clustered in competition for second place and about 10 percentage points behind the South Bend, Indiana, mayor.
But back home in Indiana, one of the mayor’s most distinguished employees has decided he’s had enough. Marek Mazurek reports in the South Bend Tribune today:

Last year, Elijah Arias was recognized as the South Bend Police Department’s Officer of the Year.
Earlier this month, Arias and two other former South Bend officers were sworn in at the Mishawaka Police Department, leaving South Bend with a shortfall of officers after two recent recruiting cycles yielded no new hires.
Doesn’t anybody want to work for Mayor Pete? Mr. Mazurek reports:

The South Bend Police Department has come under increased national scrutiny in connection with Mayor Pete Buttigieg’s presidential campaign following the fatal shooting of Eric Logan, who is black, by a white officer in June...
Sgt. Harvey Mills, president of the Fraternal Order of Police in South Bend, believes Buttigieg’s actions following the incident drove some away from the force.
“There were a lot of officers that left as a result of Mayor Buttigieg’s comments and lack of support,” Mills said.
In the aftermath of the Logan shooting, Buttigieg wrote in a campaign email “All police work and all of American life takes place in the shadow of racism.”
All of South Bend life takes place in the shadow of rising violence. Last month, Christian Sheckler reported in the Tribune:

Through August, the latest month for which full statistics are available, South Bend had seen 10 homicides, an increase from five over the same period last year. The pace of homicides increased in September, with four killings in the city in the past month...
Through the end of August, 79 people had been injured or killed in shootings this year. That’s an increase of almost 60 percent compared with the 50 shootings through the same period in 2018.
In another South Bend Tribune story in today’s edition, Allie Kirkman notes that South Bend schools have “suffered from reduced enrollment,” not exactly a sign of a thriving community. Nevertheless school officials are asking voters to approve another tax increase.

A recent editorial in the Tribune suggested that Mayor Pete’s school system is having just as hard a time as the police department in attracting and retaining valuable employees:

In September, South Bend had 16 teaching jobs still open. In contrast, other local school districts, including School City of Mishawaka and Penn-Harris-Madison School Corp., were fully staffed.
South Bend Last night Mr. Buttigieg wrote in an email to presidential campaign supporters:

When I announced my campaign for president, I knew it was more than a little bold. Here was a youthful, Midwestern Mayor stepping forward as a candidate for the highest office in the land. We heard things like, “Is this for real?” and “Why now?”
As people study his record as mayor, Mr. Buttigieg may also hear things like, “Why should we apply your South Bend model nationwide?”

***

Elizabeth Warren’s Problem

Mr. Buttigieg’s rise has been fueled in part by voter concerns about the health plan advanced by presidential campaign rival Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D., Mass.). Those concerns may have room to grow. Shane Goldmacher, Sarah Kliff and Thomas Kaplan write in the New York Times that Sen. Warren is still struggling to market government-run health care:

...speaking to reporters the day after unveiling her Medicare for all financing plan, she uncharacteristically stumbled over the specifics, insisting, incorrectly, that only billionaires would see their taxes go up.
Meanwhile the U.K.’s government-run health plan hardly argues for a similar experiment in the U.S. Today Helen Puttick reports in the Times of London on the lengths patients of the National Health Service must go to find a safe operating room:

An NHS operating theatre has been mothballed because of staff shortages and patients having surgery are being taken to a mobile theatre run by a private company.

NHS Scotland is paying to transport people daily almost 40 miles from Aberdeen Royal Infirmary to have their operations at the temporary unit. One of the theatres in the hospital’s general surgery suite has been shut because the health board cannot find enough trained nurses to safely provide treatment there.
...
Title: Buttigieg Free tuition
Post by: DougMacG on November 19, 2019, 06:41:30 PM
Supply side advocate Dan Mitchell exposes the free tuition fallacy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=Bpu1krwBoaw&feature=emb_logodvoc
Title: 2020 Presidential election, Trump approval on a par with Obama at this point
Post by: DougMacG on November 20, 2019, 06:36:44 AM
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_vs_president_obama_job_approval.html

Trump's disapprovals however are higher.  The issue remains, how many votes will Trump get from those who disapprove? 
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on November 21, 2019, 01:59:10 PM
Dem Debate last night.  Who knew?  Record low ratings? 


New, big gaffes from Biden, lady fight with Tulsi v. Kamala, Warren, largely ignored,  doesn't want the La. gov in the party, Klobuchar still can't get traction, Booker says he is the other Rhodes Scholar Mayor, and I don't know how to say it but Butti is the flavor of the month.  Is that really their new frontrunner?

https://heavy.com/news/2019/11/who-won-democratic-debate-fifth/
https://nypost.com/2019/11/20/democratic-debate-joe-biden-says-we-need-to-keep-punching-at-domestic-violence/
https://reason.com/2019/11/20/tulsi-gabbard-slams-kamala-harris-foreign-policy-she-as-president-will-continue-the-status-quo-regime-change-wars/
https://freebeacon.com/politics/dems-iowa-frontrunner-coast/
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Trump approval on a par with Obama at this point
Post by: G M on November 21, 2019, 04:31:29 PM
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_vs_president_obama_job_approval.html

Trump's disapprovals however are higher.  The issue remains, how many votes will Trump get from those who disapprove?

Even more than last time.

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 21, 2019, 05:28:15 PM
My guess is that Baraq is giving serious consideration to busting a move for Deval Patrick.
Title: Duval Patrick and his rapist brother in law
Post by: G M on November 21, 2019, 05:35:45 PM
My guess is that Baraq is giving serious consideration to busting a move for Deval Patrick.

"No one is above the law"! Well, unless you are an illegal alien, a democrat or someone related to a democrat, or a member in good standing with the deep state, but the rule of law!!!!11!1!1111111!!!!!!!


https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/11/14/this-is-disqualifying-old-story-on-deval-patrick-and-his-rapist-brother-in-law-shows-why-he-shouldnt-be-president/
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on November 23, 2019, 08:23:32 AM
Butti leads in the latest polls in both Iowa and New Hampshire (but not in any national polls).

Butti currently has 0% support of blacks in South Carolina.

Democrat analysts and activists are calling for a stop to having Iowa and New Hampshire being the first two states, at least for Democrats, because of those states "whiteness".

As one conservative commentator puts it, pass the popcorn.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/21/20974228/pete-buttigieg-surge-explained-2020

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/22/black-south-bend-leader-endorses-biden-over-buttigieg-072885

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 23, 2019, 10:50:20 AM
Marianne Williamson outpolls Buttgig in SC.
Title: Bloomberg News will not investigate Dem candidates
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 25, 2019, 10:08:27 AM
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/bloomberg-news-to-refrain-from-investigating-dem-presidential-candidates/
Title: Re: Bloomberg News will not investigate Dem candidates
Post by: G M on November 25, 2019, 12:28:10 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/bloomberg-news-to-refrain-from-investigating-dem-presidential-candidates/

Just showing solidarity with the other media outlets who will also not investigate dem presidential candidates.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 25, 2019, 03:06:55 PM
The Grandmaster of Snark at work , , ,  :-D
Title: Likely black voters at 34% for Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 25, 2019, 03:13:30 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/25/democrats-worst-nightmare-polls-show-34-percent-of-black-likely-voters-approve-of-donald-trump/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20191125&utm_content=B
Title: Re: Likely black voters at 34% for Trump
Post by: G M on November 25, 2019, 03:31:54 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/25/democrats-worst-nightmare-polls-show-34-percent-of-black-likely-voters-approve-of-donald-trump/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20191125&utm_content=B

If so, YUUUUUUuuuuuuuuge!

Title: Re: Likely black voters at 34% for Trump
Post by: DougMacG on November 26, 2019, 05:15:49 AM
"If so, YUUUUUUuuuuuuuuge!"

   - Yes.  Picking off their constituent groups one at a time.  After blacks, gays, Hispanics and suburban women, let's win over young people.
-------------------------
Previously:  "The Grandmaster of Snark at work , , ,  :-D   "

   - Snark, but true.
"Just showing solidarity with the other media outlets who will also not investigate dem presidential candidates."

    - Worse than Soviet Prada in that regard.  They only had one deep state media outlet to lie with.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Latino vote matters
Post by: DougMacG on November 27, 2019, 06:35:30 AM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/11/26/latinos-for-trump-supporters-hispanics-mexicans-attacks-immigrants-column/4224954002/

Lowest Hispanic unemployment in history.  Continuing the flood of illegal entries drives down the wages for the less recent arrivals.  He is a better President for all including Latinos than anyone should have thought in 2016.   

If you are legal to vote, you are American, not Mexican or whatever.  You have the same  interest in peace, prosperity and secure borders as everyone else.  You want America to be great and you are not under any threat of deportation.

"In 2016, according to exit polls, Trump got 28% of the Latino vote."

The 2016 election was essentially a tie.  Trump needs to bump up that percentage slightly to win the election. If he wins closer to 40% of Hispanics, reelection is a landslide.

[The link is an anti-Trump article that cannot understand the Latinos for Trump movement.]
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2% of the US population (6 milion) watched the latest debate, down from 18 million in the first debate.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on November 27, 2019, 07:23:35 AM
Warren peaked in the first week of October, has dropped 14% since then.  Is this a Bernie Biden fight?  Bernie, Biden, Bloomberg?  Battle of the 77-78 year olds.  Bernie, Biden, Buttigieg?  I will predict a divide of all 4, Bernie, Biden, Bloomberg, Buttigieg.

Bernie is back from his health scare and in for the duration barring another more catastrophic setback that could happen to anyone.  Warren's phoniness is fully exposed making Bernie the purer, angrier, more honest Socialist.  Each cannot win unless the other drops out, a bit like the Rubio Cruz conundrum.

The Biden gaffe machine just keeps getting worse, but his support has stayed fairly steady:
https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/as-warren-fades-is-it-down-to-bernie-vs-biden/

Buttigieg rise comes from Biden's perceived weakness, not from his own eloquence, experience or ideas.  Bloomberg is the unknown dividing that same lane.  He has no personal appeal except a perception he can beat Trump.  But his hundred million or billion is nothing compared to what the msm is already doing against Trump.  We have already heard it all, and negative advertising is the only advertising that really works. 

As it sits today, Butti could 'surprise' in Iowa and maybe NH.  Biden may hold other states like SC.   Bloomberg will test all that with his already started media blitz into Super Tuesday.

Conceivably this stays divided in lanes and goes deep into the convention, unclinched and unsettled.  In the end they settle very late on one of these deeply flawed candidates. 

The timing and division of all this favors Trump.


Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, The Difference ...
Post by: DougMacG on November 27, 2019, 07:28:19 AM
(https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Screen-Shot-2019-11-27-at-8.52.46-AM.png)
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 27, 2019, 08:59:51 AM
Perfect  :-D
Title: boomer already pissing them off on the LEFT
Post by: ccp on November 27, 2019, 09:12:59 AM
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/11/michael-bloomberg-2020-presidential-campaign-special-interests.html

This alone already infuriates me from the Jewish Napoleon
so a 77 y o billionaire who made it to the top has to keep the excitement in his life but running for Prez:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/26/mike-bloomberg-government-should-recruit-an-awful-lot-more-immigrants/

That's  right the billionaire wants more cheap labor for his business pals
and open the flood gates more.  he has decided what is good for us.
F off .



Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 27, 2019, 09:24:13 AM
Bloomberg is also very gung ho for doing business with China.
Title: Boomer apologist for Xi
Post by: ccp on November 27, 2019, 09:46:36 AM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/michael-bloomberg-apologist-for-tyranny
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 27, 2019, 10:08:56 AM
To avoid confusion in searches with references to my generation,  may I suggest our nickname  for Bloomberg be Bloomie and not Boomer?
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Bloomberg needs to sell Bloomberg
Post by: DougMacG on November 27, 2019, 12:47:20 PM
Bloomberg needs to end all critical coverage of Trump as Bloomberg runs for president.  They have agreed to do that with his Dem challengers:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/billionaire-media-moguls-shouldnt-run-for-president_n_5ddd49e2e4b0913e6f7486ef

They need to do it with Trump too; isn't that who he's really running against?  Watch his ads.

Is 78 too young to retire?  Is $60 Billion, 14th richest in the world not enough money to retire?  Is he serious about running for President??
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The real reason Bloomberg can't sell Bloomberg is our anti-freedom, anti-production tax laws.  A sale on that scale (before death) would turn into a giant US Government, State of New York taking.  These governments get zero dollars from their high tax rates that prevent the sale instead of billions of dollars that low tax rates would bring in.  Put THAT lesson in your platform, Michael.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on November 27, 2019, 02:51:07 PM
"To avoid confusion in searches with references to my generation,  may I suggest our nickname  for Bloomberg be Bloomie and not Boomer?"

Sure can.

Or we can consider "blimy": *British slang an exclamation of surprise or annoyance.* . (the latter certainly fits )

"Is 78 too young to retire?  Is 460 Billion, 14th richest in the world not enough money to retire?  Is he serious about running for President??"

That is one reason Napoleon fits him,  he is not the type of guy who likes to sit home and reflect his later yrs.  He just has to be the big man in the room so running for Prez is the one thing he could not forgive himself for if at least doesn't try.  It is not about us or the country . It is about him and his need to the top dog.  Just my armchair analysis
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Bloomberg needs to sell Bloomberg
Post by: DougMacG on November 27, 2019, 03:30:53 PM
Bloomberg needs to end all critical coverage of Trump as Bloomberg runs for president.  They have agreed to do that with his Dem challengers:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/billionaire-media-moguls-shouldnt-run-for-president_n_5ddd49e2e4b0913e6f7486ef

They need to do it with Trump too; isn't that who he's really running against?  Watch his ads.

Is 78 too young to retire?  Is $60 Billion, 14th richest in the world not enough money to retire?  Is he serious about running for President??
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The real reason Bloomberg can't sell Bloomberg is our anti-freedom, anti-production tax laws.  A sale on that scale (before death) would turn into a giant US Government, State of New York taking.  These governments get zero dollars from their high tax rates that prevent the sale instead of billions of dollars that low tax rates would bring in.  Put THAT lesson in your platform, Michael.
Title: Re: boomer already pissing them off on the LEFT
Post by: DougMacG on November 27, 2019, 03:55:10 PM
That should say $60 billion dollars, 14th richest in the world.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on November 27, 2019, 04:34:51 PM
"That should say $60 billion dollars, 14th richest in the world."

annual state budgets :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state_budgets
Title: Bloomberg: Tax the poor!
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 29, 2019, 06:36:05 PM
https://hermancain.com/bloomberg-need-levy-painful-taxes-poor-control-behavior-good/?fbclid=IwAR008TZTtOyopgLTznlZ-aSQ3viPCjiMgemo3548jnmTXn27arYmBg0xhRI
Title: Pete's Grey New Deal
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 30, 2019, 10:46:02 AM
Mayor Pete’s Senior Vote Plan
He wants government everywhere—including a public option 401(k).
By The Editorial Board
Updated Nov. 29, 2019 6:33 pm ET

Pete Buttigieg speaks in Denison, Iowa, Nov. 26. PHOTO: SCOTT OLSON/GETTY IMAGES
Pete Buttigieg would like to take care of you in your dotage—or, rather, he wants taxpayers to do it. This week his presidential campaign posted his latest policy plan, a 19-page outline for “dignity and security in retirement.” It’s hardly modest, which is why Mayor Pete has called it his Gray New Deal. He would:

• Expand Social Security with “a new special minimum benefit of 125 percent of the federal poverty line for any senior who has worked at least 30 years.” Unpaid caregivers of any “child, elderly, or disabled dependent” would be “awarded credit toward Social Security benefits” as if working for pay—applied in some cases “retroactively by five years.”

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Mr. Buttigieg doesn’t say what these additions would cost, but Social Security is on track to go broke as it is. The program is expected to pay more in benefits than it raises in taxes next year, and this funding gap will widen. Modest changes, such as raising the retirement age by one month every two years, would help, but Mayor Pete rules out benefit adjustments. That means tax, tax, tax.

• Raise money by applying unspecified “additional Social Security taxes” to personal income above $250,000. Meantime, “work with Congress to develop options for enshrining a process of automatically adjusting high earners’ contributions to keep Social Security solvent without ever cutting benefits.”

This is a huge tax increase. The current Social Security payroll tax is 12.4%, split between workers and employers. But it applies only to wages of $132,900, after which the tax comes off. Mr. Buttigieg doesn’t specify a rate for his surtax, but he suggests it would cover all high income, from $250,000 to infinity. That would kill the fiction of Social Security as an “earned” program, even if Mayor Pete gives these people new “modest Social Security benefits for their extra contributions.”

• “Institute a Public Option 401(k).” Workers who put in 1.5% of their pay “would trigger an employer contribution of 3 percent.” Companies would be required to participate unless they already offer a 401(k) with a “sizeable employer match” or some other “generous retirement package.” As workers switch jobs they’d be able to “seamlessly roll their prior 401(k)s into the Public Option 401(k).”

This would weigh on hiring and wages, especially in small businesses, akin to a 3% head tax. The exemption for companies with “generous” retirement packages isn’t defined. The incentives seem designed to shunt trillions of dollars from private retirement accounts into a federal program that politicians could influence.

• Create a new entitlement for long-term care “to protect people over age 65 who require assistance with two or more activities of daily living.” The benefit would pay “$90 per day,” or about $33,000 a year, although the exact figure would be adjusted for regional differences and then indexed to inflation.

ObamaCare included a public option for long-term care, as readers may remember. Called the Class Act, it was meant to be a voluntary insurance program funded by premiums. But Congress specified it had to be actuarially sound for 75 years, and bipartisan majorities later repealed it. Mr. Buttigieg doesn’t even mention costs.

• Expand eligibility for Medicaid’s coverage of long-term care by raising the income threshold from about $771 a month to $2,313, while lifting the asset ceiling to $10,000 from $2,000. Also, void the “estate recovery rules,” by which states “seek repayment of Medicaid costs from the estates of individuals who received long-term care benefits.”

This would accelerate Medicaid’s evolution into a middle-class entitlement for long-term care. No details—perhaps readers are sensing a pattern—of what it would cost.

• Nationalize oversight of care: “Set federal standards for residential care communities, including staffing ratios, required access to mental health clinicians, and annual inspections.” Similarly, create “a National Direct Care Workforce Standards Board” to cover “workforce issues, including rate setting recommendations, compensation and benefits, training and credentialing, and recruitment and turnover.”

This hyper-regulation is a recipe for shrinking supply, making care more expensive and worsening the problem Mr. Buttigieg says he wants to fix.

• “Require publicly-funded health and long-term care programs to routinely identify and assess family caregivers at each point of care delivery.” So the feds would monitor families?

Mr. Buttigieg presents himself as a moderate, but he keeps serving up more entitlements and a progressive technocracy. This is Elizabeth Warren Lite, with less honest math. Don’t worry how Mayor Pete will pay for it. President Pete the Rhodes Scholar will figure that out.
Title: Re: Pete's Grey New Deal
Post by: DougMacG on November 30, 2019, 06:59:58 PM
"Mr. Buttigieg doesn’t say what these additions would cost"

    - No he doesn't.
Title: Re: Pete's Grey New Deal
Post by: G M on November 30, 2019, 07:04:48 PM
"Mr. Buttigieg doesn’t say what these additions would cost"

    - No he doesn't.

Math is racist, sexist and homophobic!
Title: Re: Pete's Grey New Deal
Post by: DougMacG on December 01, 2019, 06:49:35 AM
"Mr. Buttigieg doesn’t say what these additions would cost"

    - No he doesn't.

Math is racist, sexist and homophobic!

Yes, I was just going to re-title it, Rhodes Scholar, or whatever he is, doesn't do math.  Could add, MSM doesn't ask, what will it cost?
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, poll slips
Post by: DougMacG on December 02, 2019, 09:48:13 AM
CNN:  Harris drops from 17 to 3%
Warren dropped from 28 to 14%.
Two polls have trump black support surging to 34%.

I'm starting to believe people really do read the forum.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 02, 2019, 02:59:55 PM
 :-D :-D :-D
Title: still . not sure
Post by: ccp on December 02, 2019, 04:36:52 PM
If Bloomberg will

 take up the slack as the others slip underwater despite the treading

I would think he could take out Buttigieg.  By many measurements successful NYC mayor vs a so so mayor of S, Bend .

I was wrong it appears about Warren, I thought she was going to be the nominee but the elites and MSM are abandoning her.

Sounds like Obama needs some ambien .   :-)

Title: speaking of the "Bloomer "; no WH press credentials for his rag
Post by: ccp on December 02, 2019, 05:24:34 PM


https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/bloomberg-trump-2020-election/2019/12/02/id/944119/
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 02, 2019, 05:30:59 PM
Warren fuct herself with the details of her Medicare for all plan.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on December 03, 2019, 06:16:45 AM
Warren fuct herself with the details of her Medicare for all plan.

That's right. You don't put numbers to a program that doubles the federal budget when it won't ever be passed anyway.

In the other gaffes, my thought is that Leftists are not bothered by her dishonesty. They are bothered by the unelectability that comes from it being so clumsy and blatant.

In the spotlight people also see that she has no magnetism or charisma. She offers a spot for leftists to park their vote but she brings no one new to the cause.
Title: Joe's Hairy Legs
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 03, 2019, 10:25:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=25&v=Q-A4VrEUyyI&feature=emb_logo
Title: "catastropic"
Post by: ccp on December 03, 2019, 04:48:33 PM
https://pjmedia.com/trending/leader-of-anti-trump-resistance-on-kamala-harris-dropping-out-racism-and-sexism/

I guess having a homsexual and an Native American woman is not enough

Or even a fellow Jew (Bloomberg) to Ms Levine and Greenberg.

I guess Booker does not count .

Surely this is racism ...... :roll:

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 03, 2019, 08:09:16 PM
OTOH the Troll Master https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/12/03/trump-campaign-mocks-kamala-harris-dropping-out-congratulations-tulsi-gabbard/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20191203&utm_content=Final
Title: 2020 Presidential election, Bloomberg
Post by: DougMacG on December 04, 2019, 09:39:09 AM
Bloomberg: ['General Secretary' Xi Jinping] "has to satisfy his constituents or he’s not going to survive."

Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE): "This is the kind of stupid you can’t script," ...  "the Chinese Communist Party has thrown a million innocent Uyghurs [his constituents] into camps and has made billions of dollars by literally harvesting the organs of their political prisoners."
https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/sasses-sharp-strike-on-bloomberg-the-kind-of-stupid-you-cant-script/


Through its massive Bloomberg Barclays Global Aggregate Bond Index, Bloomberg LP is helping finance Chinese companies by sending billions of U.S. investor dollars into the Chinese bond market.
This year, the index began a 20-month plan to support 364 Chinese firms by directing an estimated $150 billion into their bond offerings, including 159 controlled directly by the Chinese government. Bloomberg, along with other Wall Street firms, is effectively supporting the Chinese government’s efforts to resist the U.S. government’s economic pressure, while exposing American investors to increased risk.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/11/13/michael-bloombergs-china-record-shows-why-he-cant-be-president/
Title: Biden on the trail
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 05, 2019, 02:00:10 PM
https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/05/youre-a-damn-liar-joe-biden-iowa-voter-hunter-ukraine-old-push-up/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=11189
Title: clearly "mild cognitive defect"
Post by: ccp on December 06, 2019, 06:22:00 AM
https://pjmedia.com/election/video-biden-forgets-when-he-was-vice-president-says-obama-administration-was-during-1976/

one of the simple tests we do to test memory is to ask a patient to count backwards by 7 s from 100.

I wonder if Biden could do it.

This clearly makes him unqualified to be President from a medical point of view . ( you don't need a medical degree to see this)

So why are all the (liberal Democrat )  doctors, the psychologists, and the psychiatrists not signing  petitions stressing this obvious point?

You mean it is NOT  a danger to have some guy who can't even remember the correct year to have his finger on the launch pad of the nuclear arsenal?

A lot of libs in the medical field.
no bias with them of course  - they are all objective professionals doing their medical duty to uphold the *hypocritic* oath , woops, I mean *hippocratic * .  :roll:

A lib is a lib is a lib (Gertrude Stein)


Title: Pelosi 1998
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 06, 2019, 04:20:35 PM
https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/cnsnewscom-staff/pelosi-clinton-impeachment-republicans-house-are-paralyzed
Title: Biden VP list why does he not pick Obama
Post by: ccp on December 08, 2019, 10:40:53 AM
Why not Obama?

the 22 nd amendment :

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Nothing in here that restricts Obama from becoming a President if he is chose as VP by Biden and becomes President by Joe's death or disability
  (or impeachment).
Title: Buttgig has a deplorables moment
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 08, 2019, 05:25:59 PM
https://pjmedia.com/election/buttigieg-has-a-deplorables-moment-basically-calling-all-trump-supporters-racists/?fbclid=IwAR1DmkcEGrCKGVxrOEYLxs52XWxR0kAB8K5e0okhTg7sTMEYzaDPdPVbt00


https://disrn.com/news/lgbt-activists-blast-buttigieg-after-photo-of-him-volunteering-at-salvation-army-kettle-surfaces?fbclid=IwAR0T-i-7Uvz8axkndu8QhHTkyw2UI-HgX4aiQVtv628kbkrUJ6OboZhknts
Title: Re: Biden VP list why does he not pick Obama
Post by: DougMacG on December 08, 2019, 07:46:59 PM
Why not Obama?

the 22 nd amendment :

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Nothing in here that restricts Obama from becoming a President if he is chose as VP by Biden and becomes President by Joe's death or disability
  (or impeachment).

Good point but I don't think it would get past original intent, also Obama wouldn't take the job.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on December 09, 2019, 05:20:00 AM
"also Obama wouldn't take the job"

Obamasiah.  :wink:
Title: Noonan
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 12, 2019, 08:55:28 PM
Who Can Beat Trump?
In Iowa, candidates and voters show little interest in impeachment, much in victory next November.

By Peggy Noonan
Dec. 12, 2019 7:01 pm ET

Pete Buttigieg speaks in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Dec. 7. PHOTO: WIN MCNAMEE/GETTY IMAGES
Cedar Rapids, Iowa

The famous caucuses are Feb. 3. Christmas is coming, the calendar tightening, and candidates zooming through the broad expanse in tinted-window SUVs.

A surprise is there’s little surprise. Reporters say interest in impeachment is minimal, and it’s true: in three days not a single question from the floor, not a stray comment from a voter in a forum. The candidates seem bored with the subject and don’t bother to fake passion if you ask. Impeachment is a reality show going on in Washington, and everyone knows the outcome, so it’s not even interesting. On my way to Waterloo I realized: We’re about to have the third impeachment of a president in American history, and the day it happens it’s not going to be Topic A in America. It will barely be mentioned at the dinner table. It is a coastal elite story, not a mainland story.

The Democratic race is as fluid as it looks. No one, even bright party professionals speaking off the record, knows what to expect. Biden was inevitable, then maybe Elizabeth, maybe Pete’s inevitable, but Bernie may be inevitable, and don’t write off Joe.

But “Beat Trump” is back. When 2019 began Democrats were thinking that was priority No. 1. Then other things became more important—Medicare for All, climate change, policy. But it feels like Democrats here are circling back to their original desire. “Who can beat Trump?” is again the most important question. They don’t know the answer. They’re trying to figure it out.

You can hear this in what the candidates say.

At a Teamsters forum in Cedar Rapids Saturday, Sen. Bernie Sanders was burly in his aggression. “This is a president who is a fraud,” “a pathological liar,” “a homophobe,” “a bigot.” Mr. Sanders said his campaign is about “telling the billionaire class that their greed is unacceptable.” He got a standing ovation.

Sen. Amy Klobuchar the day before, in Grinnell, spoke to about 150 people at the Iowa Farmer’s Union: “We’re not gonna let this Gilded Age roll right over us.” Donald Trump made promises he didn’t keep. After his tax cut passed, “he went to Mar-a-Lago and told his rich friends, ‘I just made you all a lot richer.’ And I can tell you none of them were farmer’s union members.”

“He thinks the Midwest is flyover country.”

Leaders are making decisions for seven generations, she said: “He can’t keep his decision seven minutes from now.”

Pete Buttigieg, at Cornell College in Mount Vernon, told a crowd of more than 1,000—lots of students but others too, many of them prosperous and middle-aged: Don’t just watch “the Trump show—help me pick up the remote and change the channel.”

Before he spoke, a handsome, gray-haired psychotherapist from Iowa City told me why she supports him: “I think he has empathy. His orientation, what he’s been through. Yet also the military and a Rhodes scholar.” She liked his liberal Christianity: “He hasn’t let anyone else co-opt his spiritual life.”

Mr. Buttigieg used to say his name was pronounced “Buddha judge.” When he went national he changed it to what his crowds now chant: “boot edge edge.” I suspect he did this because America wears boots and likes edginess, but no one wants to be judged by the Buddha. I mention this because Mr. Buttigieg has the air of someone who thinks through even the smallest questions of presentation.

In person he seems like the smart young communications director for a Democratic presidential candidate, not the candidate himself. Yet he gets a particular respect because people think whatever happens this year, he’s going to be president some day. The local congressman who introduced him said as much: “No matter who comes out of this . . . Pete Buttigieg is the future of the party.”

He is personable in an old-fashioned sense; he reminds me of Michael Kinsley’s description of Al Gore when he was 38: “an old person’s idea of a young person.”

Mr. Buttigieg is often painted as a moderate. After he spoke I asked about something I’m interested in, how people develop their political views, where they get them. Do most inherit them, swallow them whole? His father was a Marxist-oriented academic at Notre Dame; he himself, I said, is a man of the left. Had he ever kicked away from family assumptions? Did he ever feel drawn to conservatism, to Burke or Kirk? He had not, though “I will say this: I came to respect the ways in which, right around the time of Russell Kirk, conservatives came to be very much in touch with the relationship between their ideas and their politics and politicians. I think it was born out of a period when the left had universities already, and the right needed to construct a structure of think tanks and so forth.”

When he was an intern on Capitol Hill, every young Republican staffer had a copy of Hayek on his desk. “On our side, the academic left, particularly in the humanities, had gotten into really abstruse things around postmodernism and poststructuralism. There was, ironically, contrary to our self-image, I think less of a clear relationship between ideas and politicians on the left. We had our policy intellectuals, but there was less of a connection between our politicians and our political theorists.”

He came to respect “the organizing efforts of conservatives.” I asked if this was around the time Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Of a sudden the Republican Party is the party of ideas.” He smiled and shrugged: “Just a hair before my time.”

Ms. Klobuchar’s polls have been going up, from 1% in the Emerson College poll in October to 10% now. Her audiences are bigger. It has broken through that she’s a moderate, a senator, a Midwesterner: “I’m from Minnesota and I can see Iowa from my porch!” She has wit. She knows she has to prove that she’s tough, that she can go toe to toe with Donald Trump.

She’s had strong debates. In the last one, social media went crazy because her hair shook. Not her face or voice, her hair. She later joked on Twitter: “I’ll plaster my runaway bangs down for the next NBC debate.”

What happened? She told me the debate hall had been reconfigured, overly air-conditioned, and unknown to her, a nearby air vent was blasting at the top of her head. She didn’t know there was a problem until the break, when a tech came by and said he was sorry.

“Now I guess hair spray,” she laughed as she told the story.

How difficult will it be to beat Mr. Trump? While I was in Iowa the new jobs numbers came out. America has functional full employment. It is a marvelous thing. We’re not in any new wars. With peace and prosperity, how can the incumbent lose?

The counterargument is that his approval is stuck in the low 40s with peace and prosperity, which tells you everything—he is vulnerable, more than half the country rejects him in what are for him ideal circumstances. This in turn brings back the familiar 2016 theme of shy Trump voters, people who don’t tell pollsters they’re going to vote for him, or even tell themselves.

Maybe the real story is that it’s all fluid.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Klobuchar?
Post by: DougMacG on December 13, 2019, 07:20:27 AM
Peggy Noonan (previous post) notes the Midwest appeal of Amy Klobuchar.  I would note that her big rise in Iowa puts her in 5th place there, she has 3% and 0% in the last two polls in Wisconsin, and doesn't lead in MN either.  She is accomplished, exciting or charismatic.

Her appeal is who she isn't, Trump, Biden, Sanders, Warren, not who she is or what she has done.

Did I mention 8th place in Nevada, 9th place in South Carolina?
Title: Morris: Hillary could win the nomination
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 13, 2019, 10:57:03 AM
I love Peggy Noonan, but she gets squishier by the day.

Moving on, here's this

http://www.dickmorris.com/hillary-would-win-democratic-nomination-according-to-poll-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports
Title: agree with
Post by: ccp on December 13, 2019, 12:58:01 PM
Dick

few more leftist polls - and -  she will run

and will have avoided months of campaigning

I believe for a second her mob is already jurnolisting each other.

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 14, 2019, 12:10:40 AM
My guess is that it is too late for her to register for a lot of primaries.  Is her strategy to see to it that no one wins on the first round at the convention?
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on December 14, 2019, 05:20:11 AM
" .Is her strategy to see to it that no one wins on the first round at the convention?"

Good question.

I don't know the rules

but someone on Fox was saying she is praying for the Dem candidates to all do poorly in polling and that polls will show she is the "only one who can beat" the orange man and so many people are begging her to run and although she is reluctant she will answer the call to duty to save democracy and be brought back on a white horse with a new shiny pants suit and facelift and makeup job.

Does it seem that way ?   :|

I would guess if the polls do not show this - she would not run.   :|
Title: more evidence the dowager is readying for the run
Post by: ccp on December 14, 2019, 06:49:07 AM
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/shes-baaaaaaack-is-this-new-photo-of-hillary-radiant-or-terrifying/

I don't understand why all these people have face jobs that make them look freakish.

If freakish better then appearing aged?

She could go after the younger vote and get a tongue barbell and a tattoo that says bubba on her upper thigh.
Title: Re: more evidence the dowager is readying for the run
Post by: G M on December 14, 2019, 03:00:20 PM
https://unsavoryagents.com/?p=6805

Sabo's brilliant take on Hillary. (Content warning-NSFW or those who vomit easily)


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/shes-baaaaaaack-is-this-new-photo-of-hillary-radiant-or-terrifying/

I don't understand why all these people have face jobs that make them look freakish.

If freakish better then appearing aged?

She could go after the younger vote and get a tongue barbell and a tattoo that says bubba on her upper thigh.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on December 14, 2019, 03:27:38 PM
https://unsavoryagents.com/?p=6805

holy cow !  she already has "tats"

did she get an extra tear for the epstein hit?
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on December 14, 2019, 08:52:53 PM
" .Is her strategy to see to it that no one wins on the first round at the convention?"
Good question.
I don't know the rules

------------------------

I don't know either and the rules change from time to time but I believe that after a certain number of ballots, maybe one, the delegates are free to vote for anyone they want.

Wouldn't HRC as the nominee be a dream come true for the President?

I don't see it, Hillary being nominee, but I was deeply wrong last time so I'll just watch and see.  I don't see it with any of the others either.  There was nothing Presidential about any of the losers, McGovern, Dukakis, Dole?, Kerry, McCain, etc.  Trump too I suppose if he hadn't won.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 14, 2019, 11:39:21 PM
My understanding is after the first round, the delegates are free to vote as they wish.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: objectivist1 on December 15, 2019, 04:11:16 AM
Here is my prediction:  I believe Trump will win with a larger margin than he did the first time, and the Republicans will take back the house and possibly increase their majority in the Senate.  Once again, the mainstream media is completely detached from the sentiment among average Americans about this impeachment sham.  Many independents and Democrats will, I believe, vote for Trump this time around.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on December 15, 2019, 07:06:08 AM
My understanding is after the first round, the delegates are free to vote as they wish.

The first sign of a contested convention is that the rules themselves will be hotly contested.  Also the platform fights will indicate strengths and weaknesses of the various sides.

'Superdelegates' don't vote in the first round; they jump in starting in the second.. 

https://ballotpedia.org/Democratic_delegate_rules,_2020

I've been to a number of contested state conventions.  As the delegates are released to vote as they wish, delegates and candidates watch the counts and momentum for their next move.  Presumably the the second place of Sanders or Warren will drop out and endorse the other for example.   That in theory puts them ahead of Biden as it sits today but not to a majority, so then other dynamics come into play.  Do they align in two factions? More than two? 

The motive of most delegates in most conventions is to leave there united behind one person because beating the other side is a higher priority than winning this fight.  Hard to believe that won't be true here as this unfolds, but the uglier it gets, the better it is for Trump.

The idea that these delegates jump to someone who didn't enter the contest,after all those debates, primaries and votes at all - is possible but a reach hard to imagine.


Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on December 15, 2019, 07:15:37 AM
Here is my prediction:  I believe Trump will win with a larger margin than he did the first time, and the Republicans will take back the house and possibly increase their majority in the Senate.  Once again, the mainstream media is completely detached from the sentiment among average Americans about this impeachment sham.  Many independents and Democrats will, I believe, vote for Trump this time around.

My predictions aren't very good but this scenario is VERY possible.  Even if true we will still be a badly divided country.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 15, 2019, 10:47:38 AM
Objectivist's prediction may well come to pass IMHO, but we are too far out to rest easy.

"The idea that these delegates jump to someone who didn't enter the contest,after all those debates, primaries and votes at all - is possible but a reach hard to imagine."

In Hillary's case she can make the case "You already know me and I have already won.  Choose me and I will beat him again , , , or you can choose one of these putzes who have already proven themselves unworthy."
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on December 15, 2019, 12:08:23 PM
In Hillary's case she can make the case

"You already know me
   - Crooked, Net negative

and I have already won.   - Didn't even go to Wisconsin after trusting her with everything.

Choose me and I will beat him again   - 304-227.  President Hillary?  See previous.

choose one of these putzes who have already proven themselves unworthy.   - True but not unifying.

30 States already went Trump over Hillary.  He was a better President than expected.
20 states won by Hillary.  She was a worse loser than expected.  Just blamed Bernie for her loss.

"Hillary, we're tired of hearing about your damn emails."   - Bernie Sanders, 2016
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 15, 2019, 09:56:50 PM
Look, I get her argument is wrong, I'm just saying it is what it is and is just the sort of rationalization that Dem delegates and super delegates could decide to believe, particularly given the alternatives.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on December 16, 2019, 06:05:31 AM
Look, I get her argument is wrong, I'm just saying it is what it is and is just the sort of rationalization that Dem delegates and super delegates could decide to believe, particularly given the alternatives.

Agreed.  I was trying to refute that from a Dem-delegate point of view.  It was them she let down, big time. A new face, and I don't mean from a plastic surgeon, has a better chance than a proven loser.

I think the Clinton machine is gone, the Foundation is gone, most of their extortion on backers has past the statute of limitations.
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It was a turning point for Democrats the day successful two term, swing state, Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper decided to tell the gathering and televised audience about taking his mother to see Deep Throat, instead of sticking to how he started a successful micro brewery and revitalized the warehouse district of downtown Denver.  Now we have a failed South Bend mayor, and former Burlington mayor, as the highest candidates with governing experience.  Sure crime and racial tension went up, but how 'bout that new utility billing system?
Title: Commision on Presidential Debates
Post by: ccp on December 18, 2019, 08:06:11 AM
Trump opposes :

https://bongino.com/trump-slams-commission-on-presidential-debates-warns-the-debates-are-up-to-me/

and frankly I never even heard of the CBD:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Presidential_Debates

interesting the debates that are so influential though totally flawed
are controlled by people most of us have never heard of or even know exist.  -  at least I did not know this/them.
Title: Re: Commision on Presidential Debates
Post by: DougMacG on December 18, 2019, 08:56:30 AM
Trump opposes :

https://bongino.com/trump-slams-commission-on-presidential-debates-warns-the-debates-are-up-to-me/

and frankly I never even heard of the CBD:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Presidential_Debates

interesting the debates that are so influential though totally flawed
are controlled by people most of us have never heard of or even know exist.  -  at least I did not know this/them.

How do we avoid the Candy Crowley moment that swung the Obama reelection?  The moderators last time were competing to make a name for themselves.  Trump (I think) has the only idea, no moderators, just time keepers.


Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on December 18, 2019, 08:58:27 AM
woops I meant CPD

not "CBD"

 :-o

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on December 18, 2019, 09:01:40 AM
"How do we avoid the Candy Crowley moment that swung the Obama reelection?  The moderators last time were competing to make a name for themselves.  Trump (I think) has the only idea, no moderators, just time keepers."

YEs . what a great idea
the candidates have only designated times where they bring up the topics and debate each other during that time
though i could imagine them . esp. Trump screaming over each other but maybe that would be a good approach

who needs "moderators"

just a bunch of peacocks trying to advance their careers.
anyway and all partisan
Title: 2020 Presidential election, anyone but Klobuchar, please
Post by: DougMacG on December 20, 2019, 09:08:20 AM
A minute ago her only positive claim was Midwest appeal and she was running 5th in Iowa and at zero in Wisconsin.

Her debate performances have been weak, her charisma is at zero and her experience level is so-so.

But her long awaited takedown of Pete Buttigieg this week was very good.
http://www.startribune.com/what-people-are-saying-about-klobuchar-s-debate-performance/566373661/

Given the negatives listed above, Klobuchar will be the hardest candidate for Trump to run against - because there is nothing there to run against.   - Besides that everyone who ever worked for her hated her.
Title: Bloomberg 2015
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 23, 2019, 05:32:46 AM
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/8/sughed-michael-bloomberg-suggests-disarming-minori/
Title: Obama on Forked Tongue Lizzy
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 23, 2019, 05:34:46 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/475576-obama-talks-up-warren-behind-closed-doors-to-wealthy-donors?userid=188403
Title: Obama's opinion
Post by: ccp on December 23, 2019, 05:44:58 AM
"Obama on Forked Tongue Lizzy"

lets see
what does the world's most interesting man think?   :roll:

we basically know he thinks anyone with a socialist agenda who could win is his pick - behind the scenes though in public he is holding his cards
playing coy .

Title: Bloomberg has tech IT company to take on Republicans
Post by: ccp on December 24, 2019, 05:44:08 AM
apparently with some FB personnel

From the Daily Caller off the Bongino Report page:

https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/23/bloomberg-elections-campaign/
Title: Re: Bloomberg has tech IT company to take on Republicans
Post by: DougMacG on December 24, 2019, 05:55:35 AM
apparently with some FB personnel

From the Daily Caller off the Bongino Report page:

https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/23/bloomberg-elections-campaign/

Can he buy charisma?  Can he buy erasure of his stop and frisk policies?  He can't buy an election; he can't even buy a sixteen ounce soda.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Buttigieg, minorities, education
Post by: DougMacG on December 24, 2019, 06:58:50 AM
Dem gaffe is when they are caught telling the truth:

https://news.grabien.com/story-buttigieg-2011-kids-lower-income-minority-neighbourhoods-don

“Kids” from “lower income, minority neighborhoods” don’t have “someone they know personally who testifies to the value of education.” - Pete Buttigieg, 2011 South Bend Mayoral Candidate
Title: Deceptive Bloomberg ad
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 24, 2019, 09:04:19 AM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/bloomberg-ad-makes-wildly-misleading-claim-263-school-shootings-since-trump-took-office
Title: 2020 Presidential. Top Ten Winners of the 2019 Democrat Dropout Contest
Post by: DougMacG on December 28, 2019, 01:54:54 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2019/12/26/2020-presidential-campaign-dropouts-ranked-089675
...
Spoiler, Kamala Harris wins:  "By bowing out of the presidential race before the voting started, Harris avoided the painful spectacle of a potentially humiliating loss in Iowa, and she limited the number of enemies she made in the primary field. As one of the few women of color who have won statewide elections, she will likely be on the short list of running mates for the eventual presidential nominee, especially if the nominee is a white man. She could also be a candidate for attorney general in a Democratic administration."
------

Sooooooooo, if I have this right, she showed good political instincts by dropping out before she scored zeros in the early contests?  And that means her good brand name is still intact??  Only in the Democrat party.


Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election - Ed Steyer, what's wrong with this?
Post by: DougMacG on December 28, 2019, 04:41:58 PM
 - First name intentionally left wrong.  It's not my job to get his name out there.
 - Coal billionaire runs for President on a platform of ending fossil fuel use.  Go figure.
 - Spending hundreds of millions on early ads in not-early states ...
 - ad topic:  Term Limits.  Polls better than climate change.
 - If successful, term limits would make the deep state and lobbyists more powerful than elected officials.
 - Term limits is one of very few proposals where the President has no power in the matter.
 - He is compelled to run because all of the other Democrats running agree with him on climate change.
 - 330 million people have still never said, "Hey, what do you think of Steyer?"
Title: 2020 Pres:, Iowa Caucus winner = Dem nominee, last 4 times
Post by: DougMacG on January 02, 2020, 01:15:46 PM
In the last four open Democratic presidential contests, the Iowa winner has gone on to become the party’s nominee.

Current Iowa leaderboard: 1. Buttigieg. 2. Sanders, 3. Biden, 22-20-19 (basically a 3-way tie).

Iowa Caucuses are Feb 3, 2020

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-6731.html
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3044261/us-2020-election-key-dates-will-americans-give
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on January 02, 2020, 04:34:20 PM
" .current Iowa leaderboard: 1. Buttigieg. 2. Sanders, 3. Biden, 22-20-19 (basically a 3-way tie)."

one is worse then the other
For some reason while I have strong distaste for Biden and Sanders this Butti guy ( sorry I mean person)  irritates me the most with his over the top smugness
and arrogance

reminds me exactly like Obama
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: G M on January 02, 2020, 04:40:42 PM
Openly homosexual, unlike Obama.


" .current Iowa leaderboard: 1. Buttigieg. 2. Sanders, 3. Biden, 22-20-19 (basically a 3-way tie)."

one is worse then the other
For some reason while I have strong distaste for Biden and Sanders this Butti guy ( sorry I mean person)  irritates me the most with his over the top smugness
and arrogance

reminds me exactly like Obama
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on January 03, 2020, 04:04:21 PM
Openly homosexual, unlike Obama.


" .current Iowa leaderboard: 1. Buttigieg. 2. Sanders, 3. Biden, 22-20-19 (basically a 3-way tie)."

one is worse then the other
For some reason while I have strong distaste for Biden and Sanders this Butti guy ( sorry I mean person)  irritates me the most with his over the top smugness
and arrogance

reminds me exactly like Obama

First gay is not as exciting as being half black but he certainly is using gay as a qualification.  For us to assume that will hurt his chances in the general election is probably a mistake, but he still is a white male of privilege.

Didn't Obama just admit that he couldn't put the coalition together again either with the excitement level of 2008 - that none of these people can put together now.  Policies that lead to economic and societal failure aren't that exciting again after we just got through trying them and hating them.  Cash for clunkers, Solyndra, shovel-ready jobs, keep your doctor!  It's all just a bad joke now; no one can make it sound exciting - compared to real accomplishments like lowest black and Hispanic unemployment rates ever, millions off of food stamps and quadrupling the wage growth rate.

Not all blacks are excited to vote for Butti.  So far, almost none are. Frankly, blacks among others, are tired of the Democrat promise.  Not all Muslims are going to support a gay nominee, and not all gays will support a Marxist - or whatever we call him.  He only looks moderate in comparison with Sanders and Warren and he admits he wants to win all the same things, just incrementally. 

He is the son of a Marxist Professor, studied Leftism in college and hasn't  lived enough economic life to shift his views rightward - as people do when they gain experience and take responsibility.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pete-buttigiegs-father-was-a-marxist-professor-who-lauded-the-communist-manifesto

His military experience is a plus in this field, but he makes no claim that was at a leadership level.  His years as mayor and his years in military overlap.  Too bad to be so young that you have to exaggerate your (little but of) experience. 

Speaking of life experiences, in his own words he just recently started dating.  He is a teenager on that level - with his first boyfriend.

What happened to the two term governors of swing states in this field...  Oh well.
Title: Buttgig's military resume?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 03, 2020, 04:12:36 PM
Exactly what did he do?  He was Air Force?  A driver on a base for an AF general?  Or?
Title: Re: Buttgig's military resume?
Post by: G M on January 03, 2020, 04:41:33 PM
Exactly what did he do?  He was Air Force?  A driver on a base for an AF general?  Or?

Navy Intel, if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 03, 2020, 06:15:33 PM
Let's see if we can find a proper citation on this.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: G M on January 03, 2020, 07:58:50 PM
Let's see if we can find a proper citation on this.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/442082-documents-provide-glimpse-into-buttigiegs-military-service

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 03, 2020, 10:02:43 PM
Thank you.
Title: Forked Tongue Lizzy not so long ago
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 04, 2020, 08:01:35 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/04/elizabeth-warren-called-all-options-table-iran/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=todays_hottest_stories&utm_campaign=20200104
Title: Re: Forked Tongue Lizzy not so long ago
Post by: G M on January 04, 2020, 11:06:05 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/04/elizabeth-warren-called-all-options-table-iran/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=todays_hottest_stories&utm_campaign=20200104

Well, that was back when she was Indian...
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 05, 2020, 08:48:19 AM
and the daughter of a janitor , , ,  :roll:
Title: how can one be behind a computer screen on the other side of the world
Post by: ccp on January 05, 2020, 10:16:48 AM
while still being a mayor?

"According to the documents, Buttigieg served in the Afghanistan Threat Finance Cell (ATFC) in Kabul, placing him in “an imminent danger pay area” from late March to mid-September 2014, while the then-32-year old was still serving his first term as mayor."

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/442082-documents-provide-glimpse-into-buttigiegs-military-service

"But out on the campaign trail, Buttigieg has talked about the 119 times he says he crossed “outside the wire,” leaving the relative safety of the base as a vehicle commander on convoy security detail in dangerous parts of Kabul."

Sounds a bit like Hillary spicing up the intrigue of danger more than reality

Another person who has been running for President the day he was born

Title: Re: Forked Tongue Lizzy not so long ago - Biden too
Post by: DougMacG on January 05, 2020, 01:39:11 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/04/elizabeth-warren-called-all-options-table-iran/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=todays_hottest_stories&utm_campaign=20200104

https://conservativeus.com/joe-biden-1996-if-iran-attacked-a-usa-facility-it-is-an-act-of-war-and-any-retaliation-is-warranted-video/
Title: Re: how can one be behind a computer screen on the other side of the world
Post by: DougMacG on January 06, 2020, 09:13:25 AM
while still being a mayor?

"According to the documents, Buttigieg served in the Afghanistan Threat Finance Cell (ATFC) in Kabul, placing him in “an imminent danger pay area” from late March to mid-September 2014, while the then-32-year old was still serving his first term as mayor."

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/442082-documents-provide-glimpse-into-buttigiegs-military-service

"But out on the campaign trail, Buttigieg has talked about the 119 times he says he crossed “outside the wire,” leaving the relative safety of the base as a vehicle commander on convoy security detail in dangerous parts of Kabul."

Sounds a bit like Hillary spicing up the intrigue of danger more than reality

Another person who has been running for President the day he was born

I give Butti full credit for his military service.  Yes he was mostly sitting at a desk analyzing data, not carrying or shooting a gun, but what he did was just as valuable in a war zone.  Same for my dad serving Patton's army in a first medical response unit at German battle sites and liberated concentration camps.

My question of Butti or anyone running for President, how many levels below Commander in Chief was that? 

To his further credit, I have not heard him overplay that experience, assuming what he is saying on the stump is true.

My cousin went from analyzing war data in Vietnam to first director of water quality at the epa, analyzing pollution data.  The math is the same and maybe he was the best at both.  That does not mean that he or Butti would be a great or a bad President.

I see no evidence of great policy analysis or design from Butti in this campaign - or in his small town governance.  Smart guy, we are told, where is his health plan or tax plan or poverty plan with ideas we have not seen at this level?   His gut reaction to events as they unfold seems no better than bottom-of-the-class Biden, faked-her-credentials Warren, or prefers-the-Soviet-system Sanders.

Run of the mill Leftists, the data does not support their positions.
Title: 2020 Presidential, A strong incumbent against a weak field of challengers
Post by: DougMacG on January 07, 2020, 03:07:46 PM
Are you better off today than you were 4 years ago?  - often asked in reelection contest.

I would add this question:  Was this 4 years better than the previous 8?  Relevant because, especially with Biden, the ghost of Obama is underlying this year's choice.

Trump is upside down in most approval polls but is certainly a stronger candidate now than he was in 2016 when he won the electoral college handily.  Those are all adults polls.   Likely voter polls lean more toward even and part of Trump's vote is projected to come from people on the 'disapprove' side.  Conditions and events seem to also be falling in his direction in spite of impeachment and continuous msm negativity.

There is only one debate and a few short weeks before voting begins in Iowa.  Super Tuesday is only two months out.  Yes, a lot can happen, but what?  For whom?

The Dem field has really narrowed to 3 at this point, Biden, Bernie and Buttigieg.  Think about that.  The labels come easy.  Biden is a bumbler.  Bernie is a socialist, and Buttigieg is young, inexperienced and brings nothing new or special to the table, other than his sexual orientation.

The field is weak because of Obama's flawed governance.  Under Obama, Democrats lost the House, lost the Senate, lost the Governorships, lost the State Legislatures and lost his successor.  That leaves a weak bench, understatement.  There weren't enough Hickenloopers to find a good one.

Candidate Obama picked Biden as a known bumbler but somehow was a safe, known choice that cost him no votes.  In his VP debate, Sarah Palin looked awkward repeating the script of her McCain handlers while Biden got away with being wrong on everything of importance.  At the top of the ticket, he won't get away with being wrong on everything.

Bernie leads a cult following, a sect, not really a part of the Democrat Party.  His (20%?) support is the strongest, most loyal, even through his heart attack, think AOC and the angriest and most pure Left of those coming out of college.  He can't get to 51% of Democrats or to 270 of the electoral votes and his support won't just seamlessly transfer over to Biden, or Buttigieg if they beat him by talking a moderate line.

If Buttigieg is the second coming of 2008 candidate Barack Obama at 38, someone like Obama should have picked him as maybe Secretary of State or Treasury at age 32-34.  Obama didn't because for one reason he hadn't heard of him and he hadn't heard of him because he hadn't done anything of note.  Nice guy, smart they say, but what has he accomplished and what great idea (name one) has he added to the discussion?  Nothing. 
Title: Sanders most likely to benefit
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 08, 2020, 04:05:41 PM


https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/01/sanders-stands-to-benefit-from-trumps-conflict-with-iran/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NR%20Daily%20Monday%20through%20Friday%202020-01-08&utm_term=NRDaily-Smart
Title: Re: Sanders most likely to benefit
Post by: DougMacG on January 08, 2020, 09:35:09 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/01/sanders-stands-to-benefit-from-trumps-conflict-with-iran/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NR%20Daily%20Monday%20through%20Friday%202020-01-08&utm_term=NRDaily-Smart

Trump is most likely to benefit.    )
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on January 08, 2020, 09:36:43 PM
(https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Screen-Shot-2020-01-08-at-21.53.06.png)

Glenn Reynolds:  Ouch.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on January 09, 2020, 05:07:44 AM
Taking Doug's post further

(Glenn Reynolds:  Ouch.)

Another interesting comparison :

Trump has done well for himself and his family in the private sector
while Plagiarizing Joe has done well for himself and his family devoting his life to "public service"
Title: Biden and Rep for VP idea
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 11, 2020, 09:20:10 AM
We saw Biden entertain the notion of a Rep for VP nominee.

Thought experiment:

Mitt Romney.

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on January 11, 2020, 02:54:27 PM
"We saw Biden entertain the notion of a Rep for VP nominee.

Thought experiment:

Mitt Romney."

Agree .  I can't off the top of my head even think of anyone else.

My thought about tis begins and ends with Mitt.

OTOH
I am really doubtful he would choose any Republican - his party would not stand for it.
     My guess he is throwing that  thought out in the public domain pretending he is willing to "cross the isle " .  We all know he is and always has been a hard core Democrat
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: G M on January 11, 2020, 04:27:47 PM
Mittens a republican?


"We saw Biden entertain the notion of a Rep for VP nominee.

Thought experiment:

Mitt Romney."

Agree .  I can't off the top of my head even think of anyone else.

My thought about tis begins and ends with Mitt.

OTOH
I am really doubtful he would choose any Republican - his party would not stand for it.
     My guess he is throwing that  thought out in the public domain pretending he is willing to "cross the isle " .  We all know he is and always has been a hard core Democrat
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 11, 2020, 09:26:02 PM
Picture this.  Brokered convention.  "Moderate" vote divided with Bloomberg (and Steyer?)  He needs a move with panache.  Mittens finally gets his chance to go up against the Donald again.   Being silly here perhaps, or maybe a touch of thinking outside the box.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: G M on January 11, 2020, 09:27:45 PM
Picture this.  Brokered convention.  "Moderate" vote divided with Bloomberg (and Steyer?)  He needs a move with panache.  Mittens finally gets his chance to go up against the Donald again.   Being silly here perhaps, or maybe a touch of thinking outside the box.

Depends if Biden starts sh*tting himself on stage, which is quite possible.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 11, 2020, 09:31:39 PM
Exactly so  :evil: :-D
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on January 12, 2020, 05:40:23 AM
Funny but the votes he would need in a fight with a so called moderate come from the Sanders AOC wing. An alliance with any Republican would make that worse.  IMHO. Think of Pelosi as the center of the party and the delegates as more liberal than the primary voters. The fight at hand will be for the delegates, not the Presidency.

Different scenario but McCain talked about Lieberman but picked Palin. He needed to excite his own party.

The only person with star power inside the party outside of the candidates is M.O. If Biden was a strong candidate it would be her easiest and most non-political path to the Presidency.  But he isn't.
Title: gaff free as far as I know for past month
Post by: ccp on January 12, 2020, 06:51:38 AM
"Depends if Biden starts sh*tting himself on stage, which is quite possible."

his handlers have done . a good job keeping the gaff machine under wraps

he must be getting more naps
maybe started on aricept
and everything he does / says more controlled and scripted

plus  the media covers for him

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Sanders leads in Iowa?
Post by: DougMacG on January 13, 2020, 06:18:32 AM
[Actually, trump leads in Iowa.]

Both Iowa and NH show the top 4 Dems at a near tie, but in the details of it, Butti has dropped to 3rd rather than continue his climb.  People are starting to take seriously the fact that this process everyone thinks is so long is coming up soon at lightning speed.  Why pick untested over a real socialist?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-6731.html

Butti leads in NH (statistical tie) now but that too may fizzle on a similar schedule as the real voting approaches.  The vote coming up in these states is real and binding, not a ...wouldn't it be nice if... kind of contest.

Good to see Klobuchar stuck in single digits.  Her MN name doesn't carry weight even as far as Iowa.  If Biden wins or looks strong, she looks (even more) irrelevant.  If Biden stumbles, the fight to replace Biden in the center left lane will heat up.

Who-drops-out-when becomes a factor.  If Rubio or Cruz had dropped early, the other would have competed better against Trump.  If Butti under-performs in both Iowa and NH, he may want to bank his big money and shoot for VP.  Warren probably isn't smart enough to drop out unless she runs out of money.  With her in, Sanders probably can't beat Biden.  In a narrower field, Bloomberg can make a bigger impact.  How long do Booker, Yang, Steyer, Gabbard hang in there?  (I guess it doesn't matter.)

I think the Republican hope is for the Dem field to remain crowded and divided.

Can you believe Marianne Williamson didn't catch on with the love agenda.  The general election with Trump won't be a love contest.
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Update:  Booker out.  Everyone running only for VP needs to get out now. 
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 13, 2020, 09:53:54 AM
Well, Booker's "Hail Mary" appeal for the "affirmative action because Dem primary voters are racist vote" fell flat and so he is out.  What a putz!

As far as I can tell, Biden & Warren are the same voting block.  Seen in that light Biden is a distant second.

I've seen reports Steyer is picking up sharply in Super Tuesday states in response to his heavy spending.

I've made some noise about Bloomberg previously and continue to think he may well surprise strongly to the upside.  His ads are mainstream Dem with a strong dose of communicating his actual executive experience.

This point about executive experience could be an important factor.  I remember in the Rep debates in 2016 there was a moment when Chris Christie destroyed Marco Rubio for being a legislative debater instead lacking in experience in making real world decisions.

Bloomberg's ads speak of his building a 20,000 (or was it 50,000?) employee company and his experience as mayor of NYC.  He may have been a nanny fascist, but the way I remember it he was a competent mayor.  Bottom line?  Someone who has been responsible for real world decisions will resonate when contrasted with the polling group talking points legislator.  Add in that His ad communicates well emotionally on health care, abortion, and gun rights. 

If the Sandernista wing unites behind Bernie or Forked Tongue Lizzy, Slow Joe's sales pitch weakens considerably and the remnants of the reasonable wing of the Dem party may well turn to Bloomberg (and his self financed campaign).
Title: 2020 Presidential: Biden is weak with Hispanics and young people
Post by: DougMacG on January 14, 2020, 07:22:21 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/democrats-candidates-poll-age-gender-race-region-politics-2019#in-2016-exit-polls-showed-that-45-percent-of-clinton-voters-were-not-white-and-the-winner-of-the-democratic-primary-will-have-to-build-a-coalition-of-white-black-latino-and-asian-americans-3

This poll shows Biden extremely weak with Hispanics.  Biden is weak with young people.  Bernie is weak with old people.

Also, both Biden and Sanders are weak in the Mountain West region which includes swing states Colorado, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico.  Democrats cannot let an incumbent who won 304 electoral votes and governed way better than expected expand his map.

I suggested a mountain state, swing state, two term Governor for them, but Hickenlooper had to tell an Iowa crowd how he took his mother to see deep throat - and stayed for the whole show.  Eeeewwwww!

The shallow bench of Democrat qualified contestants with executive and Washington experience is Obama's and Pelosi's fault.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on January 14, 2020, 07:57:11 AM
Well, Booker's "Hail Mary" appeal for the "affirmative action because Dem primary voters are racist vote" fell flat and so he is out.  What a putz!

As far as I can tell, Biden & Warren are the same voting block.  Seen in that light Biden is a distant second.

I've seen reports Steyer is picking up sharply in Super Tuesday states in response to his heavy spending.

I've made some noise about Bloomberg previously and continue to think he may well surprise strongly to the upside.  His ads are mainstream Dem with a strong dose of communicating his actual executive experience.

This point about executive experience could be an important factor.  I remember in the Rep debates in 2016 there was a moment when Chris Christie destroyed Marco Rubio for being a legislative debater instead lacking in experience in making real world decisions.

Bloomberg's ads speak of his building a 20,000 (or was it 50,000?) employee company and his experience as mayor of NYC.  He may have been a nanny fascist, but the way I remember it he was a competent mayor.  Bottom line?  Someone who has been responsible for real world decisions will resonate when contrasted with the polling group talking points legislator.  Add in that His ad communicates well emotionally on health care, abortion, and gun rights. 

If the Sandernista wing unites behind Bernie or Forked Tongue Lizzy, Slow Joe's sales pitch weakens considerably and the remnants of the reasonable wing of the Dem party may well turn to Bloomberg (and his self financed campaign).

I like your take on this better than mine.  I see Steyer as a loser, but if he can win delegates, that takes away from whomever is the leader.

Same for Bloomberg.  Yes he is a successful executive and mostly successful mayor.  That plays well with some centrists on the Dem side, not a majority.  I don't see him winning over more delegates in a convention than his actual vote count.

Interesting that the rest all lack executive experience.  The former VP, like the former first lady, never won an election or held ultimate responsibility for results.  Being mayor of Burlington or South Bend-over is executive experience at the beginner level.  At least Howard Dean was governor of one of those small states, still miles below the responsibility of being President.  Fully untested. 

In his prime, Bloomberg could manage and motivate people and make key decisions on market dominance and profit exploitation (detested by most of the left).  He won elections but NYC is not a cross section of the country and stop and frisk among other things will not bring out all of the key constituencies needed to win.

Good to see Sanders and Warren begin to fight.

One thing they underestimated with Trump (and Reagan) is the value of experience in show business.  Bloomberg and Steyer have ads with narrators.  With Steyer, a narrator makes the case for term limits, an issue outside the scope of the Presidency.  Their best consultants tell them the point is better made by the same  paid narrator that does all the political ads.  Biden, Sanders and Warren are all unpleasant to listen to.  Trump ads will be making his case in the first person - in front of roaring, enthusiastic crowds.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 14, 2020, 10:36:59 AM
"One thing they underestimated with Trump (and Reagan) is the value of experience in show business."

Yes.  This includes the experience of dealing successfully with some of the most skillful and amoral liars on the planet-- an exceedingly valuable life experience; witness Reagan as head of the Screen Actors Guild.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Dem Debate Iowa
Post by: DougMacG on January 15, 2020, 06:41:23 AM
Maybe I am alone in not subscribing to cable but the debate was literally impossible to watch.  Presidential debates are now sold to the highest bidder.  Money trumps viewership?  Good luck with that.  The previous debate had the lowest ratings ever.  This one didn't even get a rating?
https://nypost.com/2019/12/20/latest-democratic-debate-had-lowest-viewership-yet/t

CNN's first two words on  it, "Caution ruled..."  Highlights are just as hard to come by, apparently there weren't any.   Warren is a woman.  She is electable (nationally) because she beat a republican (barely) in Massachusetts.  (What's wrong with this math?)  Bernie denied saying a woman can't win. (Warren is a liar.)  Hunter shouldn't face scrutiny because Biden's good son died.  (Beau wouldn't have done this.)   Warren refused to shake Bernie's hand at the end.  Butti addressed his lack of black support by asking black asking black voters to join him.  Brilliant.  All want the Iran deal back, paving the path to a nuclear Iran.  None were asked about sending another planeload of cash to do that or tie terrorism to it which the previous deal did not.  Nothing on China, peace through deterrence or GDP growth?  They were not asked to comment on lowest unemployment for EVER blacks and Hispanics or that the lower end wage earners made the biggest income gains in the Trump economy or the new China trade deal.  Nothing said about Iran launching missiles at American troops. The blacks and Hispanics on the stage... okay, just kidding, they don't even have a Cherokee anymore.   Even liberals like Van Jones saw nothing to show that any of them are ready to take on Trump much less be President.

CNN's Chris Cillizza has Biden and Bernie as the Losers of the debate:
"the former vice president is the worst (debater of the 6). On Tuesday night he consistently seemed to forget or misstate a point, forcing him to go back and restate it to make sure he got it right. It made for a halting performance, in which he came across as less forceful and sure of himself than others on the stage. Biden also spent a lot of time talking about mistakes he had made on past votes -- support for the war in Iraq being the most prominent -- which doesn't strike me as how his campaign wanted him to spend much debate time."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/14/politics/who-won-the-debate/index.html
* Tom Steyer. "Simply put, the billionaire businessman looked badly out of his depth. He struggled badly to make the case that he was better equipped than his rivals to manage the country's foreign policy -- his answer amounted to the fact that he has traveled a lot internationally (and, no, I am not kidding) -- and things didn't get much better for him from there. For most of the debate, it felt like the Top 5 were involved in one conversation and Steyer was just, well, there."

Did anyone watch?
Title: My take on the 10 minutes I watched
Post by: ccp on January 15, 2020, 07:01:54 AM
 "Tom Steyer. "Simply put, the billionaire businessman looked badly out of his depth. He struggled badly to make the case that he was better equipped than his rivals to manage the country's foreign policy -- his answer amounted to the fact that he has traveled a lot internationally (and, no, I am not kidding) -- and things didn't get much better for him from there. "

Hi Doug.  I saw a shot part of it but got bored and changed back and forth the stations between Laura Ingraham and some cable show about the history of Alcatraz (that by being the most interesting)

As for foreign policy it doesn't even matter who they ask the prescriptions is always the same

Hillary like:

" I would reach out to our allies "  (lets go ask France what they would do)
"I would use diplomacy "  (you mean you would not nuke the m f ers off the face of the Earth)
" I would use sanctions and diplomacy "   
" I would never use troops unless there is no other option"
      (when is there no other option.  - even if Pearl Harbor was bombed we could send in the diplomats and apologize to Japan on CNN for the
    US transgressions due to white men)

 DOUG WROTE :

" Warren refused to shake Bernie's hand at the end. "

TO BE SURE THIS IS THE MOST INTERESTING PART OF THE DEBATE .  THE GOSSIP .
 
I guess Liz the honest injun was making a point to suggest She could not shake her "dear friends" hand because he lied about saying to her a woman could not win.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Debate continued
Post by: DougMacG on January 15, 2020, 07:14:04 AM
Proven electability?  Of the 6 on stage, four have won statewide elections only in solid blue states, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Vermont and Delaware.  [If you add Bloomberg to the mix, NYC is a solid blue 'state'.]  Butti lost statewide in a state that elected Democratic Senators in 2008 and 2012.  The outsider Steyer has never run but proved he has nothing but money to offer.  Where are the swing state governors?  And who is the outsider with major crossover appeal? 

The debate established that besides Biden's idiocy, Warren and Sanders cannot do simple math.  Warren said no one else on stage has defeated an incumbent Republican in 30 years.  Sanders said I did.  Warren asked when?  Sanders said in 1990.  Then both paused to contemplate the troubling math of that (30 years ago, when the Milli Vanilli lip-synching scandal broke).  We need a video of that moment to appreciate the perplexity of these geniuses.  Were they using their fingers to count three decades?
Title: Re: My take on the 10 minutes I watched
Post by: DougMacG on January 15, 2020, 07:20:40 AM
" I would reach out to our allies "  (lets go ask France what they would do)
"I would use diplomacy "  (you mean you would not nuke the m f ers off the face of the Earth)
" I would use sanctions and diplomacy "   
" I would never use troops unless there is no other option"
-----------------------------------------

Or the one we learned from the career diplomats in Ukraine:

'I would follow the "interagency consensus" '.

Because that's what a 'leader' does.
Title: Forgot to mention
Post by: ccp on January 15, 2020, 07:34:01 AM
Plugs looked like his gaffy self again

needs better earphones telling him what to say
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on January 15, 2020, 09:37:36 AM
Plugs looked like his gaffy self again

needs better earphones telling him what to say

I think we have dodged the bullet of seeing another young exciting Barack Obama 2007-2008-like candidate with no background steal the show this year.  Butti isn't that, nor is Bloomberg.  Kamala couldn't do it, nor Cory, nor Jullian.  We'll know more after Iowa and NH but this looks like two old white guys, octogenarians, of limited ability and limited appeal, fighting for the nomination.  Make that three if we count Bloomberg.  Granted that Trump is an old white guy by most voters standards but he is younger than those 3 still standing. Warren is 3 years younger.

Assuming its not Warren or Butti, it's not going to be a black, an Hispanic, an Asian American, a woman or a gay.  There goes the identity thing.  Will they really have to compete on substance??
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Mentioned previously:  CNN’s Van Jones Buries 2020 Field After Debate: ‘Nothing I Saw Tonight Would Be Able to Take Donald Trump Out
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-van-jones-buries-2020-field-after-debate-nothing-i-saw-tonight-would-be-able-to-take-donald-trump-out/
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Last great hope was Michelle O.  It just isn't going to happen after others win all the delegates.  Mo-Joe?  Bernie-mania?  She would just piss all of them off.  And she isn't exactly honing her issue and policy skills by selling books about childhood and family.  She is competing to be greatest first lady of all time, not POTUS.
https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Michelle-Obama/dp/1524763136
Title: This could be useful come election time , , ,
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 15, 2020, 09:54:28 AM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2020-democrats-embrace-lawmaker-who-opposed-hitting-back-at-afghanistan-after-9-11
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 15, 2020, 01:36:17 PM
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/a-democratic-state-of-stasis-at-the-democratic-presidential-debate?source=EDT_NYR_EDIT_NEWSLETTER_0_imagenewsletter_Daily_ZZ&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_011520&utm_medium=email&bxid=5be9d3fa3f92a40469e2d85c&cndid=50142053&esrc=&mbid=&utm_term=TNY_Daily

FOX had a snippet of Bloomberg on The View commenting on the dueling soundbites debate of the Dems last night.  IMHO he struck an effective and deservedly condescending above the fray tone.

It may well turn out that the "debates" will stain ALL concerned with the stink of them, with Bloomberg sweeping in as the true adult in the room, unstained by any of the verbal farts of the debaters.
Title: Michael Bonaparte
Post by: ccp on January 15, 2020, 04:21:40 PM
"FOX had a snippet of Bloomberg on The View commenting on the dueling soundbites debate of the Dems last night.  IMHO he struck an effective and deservedly condescending above the fray tone.

It may well turn out that the "debates" will stain ALL concerned with the stink of them, with Bloomberg sweeping in as the true adult in the room, unstained by any of the verbal farts of the debaters."

That is his game plan - as always - he is the "wise man" who is above all the acrimony who "knows how to work with 'both' sides"

has zero personality

spent more than anyone in history so far
has avoided the fray so has no pushback yet.......

all the while playing the wise man who "knows how to fix problems (mostly a pro business globalist leftist lib)"

If anyone wants to complain his vision is good for HIS businesses we have not heard it yet.

I agree with you Crafty - he cannot be dismissed
He will play the Hillary dream of "riding in on his white horse to save the day" .

(for the LEFT - while screwing over everyone  on the Right)

We ask can a black win can a women win can a gay win

What about a little Jewish version of Napoleon?
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Bloomberg, Biden, Trump
Post by: DougMacG on January 17, 2020, 05:44:22 AM
Interesting point here:

"Although Biden, on the surface, would have a good chance of beating Trump, recent presidential elections have shown that the candidate with the ability to generate more enthusiasm among their base fares better than a candidate chosen by default. Just think of the failed candidacies of John Kerry, John McCain, Mitt Romney, and Hillary Clinton. In contrast, Trump enjoys a passionate following and the GOP is more unified around him than when he won the first time around."
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/its-looking-more-like-trump-will-be-reelected-in-2020
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Same would apply to Bloomberg if he is chosen for his supposed competence and ability to defeat Trump.  Will the AOC-Sanders wing with all its ground support be motivated to get out the vote for the other billionaire - who defeated them with his ill-gotten (in their view) money?  The energy in the Dem party is built around ideology.  Bloomberg lacks that and has "zero personality".  If Bloomberg reaches out in policy positions to the far Left, he loses his natural support in the center.  A billion dollars or two won't change that dynamic.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on January 17, 2020, 06:39:27 AM
enthusiasm FOR a candidate is no doubt a tail wind for any candidate

Trump has that for a fixed number of the electorate
it remains to be seen how much in the undecideds

But he also has unusually high numbers of people who are repulsed by him - more than normal without any doubt - this effect may tough to predict - but Bloomberg - or anyone will get the benefit of "anyone but Orange Man" crowd.

Probably the only candidate in my personal history of voting who I was really enthusiastic about was Ronald Reagan

Maybe Bush 1 too . I don't recall .

I guess one could say I am enthusiastic to vote again for Trump
   for his policies and fight spirit .   and distaste for liberals .........

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election - Bloomberg, independent?
Post by: DougMacG on January 17, 2020, 04:46:09 PM
Steve Hayward suspects Bloomberg may intend to run as an independent, especially if a Lefty like Bernie is the nominee. Loser's bracket?   (One more path for Trump to win; Divided Democrats.)

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/01/a-new-theory-about-bloombergs-grand-strategy.phpy
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election - Bloomberg, independent?
Post by: G M on January 17, 2020, 05:00:36 PM
Steve Hayward suspects Bloomberg may intend to run as an independent, especially if a Lefty like Bernie is the nominee. Loser's bracket?   (One more path for Trump to win; Divided Democrats.)

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/01/a-new-theory-about-bloombergs-grand-strategy.phpy

Nice. Divide the take your guns and soda voters from the re-education camp voters.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on January 17, 2020, 06:29:32 PM
Interesting that Sanders is hiring Hispanic staff in Calif and Bloomberg is spending millions there, but a lot of these Democrat delegate states are not contested states in the general election. 
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: G M on January 17, 2020, 08:24:46 PM
Interesting that Sanders is hiring Hispanic staff in Calif and Bloomberg is spending millions there, but a lot of these Democrat delegate states are not contested states in the general election.

Unpossible! Everyone loves the Sh*t caked eutopias created by dem supermajorities!
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on January 18, 2020, 02:04:06 PM
The billion or so they spend in most of the primary states won't move the needle an inch in the general election because they are uncontested one way or the other. 

All the time they are spending in Iowa is wasted too.  Trump will win Iowa.
Title: health care
Post by: ccp on January 20, 2020, 04:59:16 AM
looks to be dominant issue that might turn election

to my knowledge the Republicans or Trump have no real answer
other then lower drug prices better economy ,........yada
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 20, 2020, 05:23:35 AM
Trump also has his fight to make prices known-- which the hospitals are challenging in court apparently.

But your larger point is correct-- our current health care system understandably scares the hell out of a lot of people and the perception is that the Reps have nothing for it.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 20, 2020, 06:49:08 AM
Heh heh

https://www.theblaze.com/news/elizabeth_warren_lies_comment?utm_content=buffer66480&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=fb-theblaze
Title: Trump kept "pre existing conditions"
Post by: ccp on January 20, 2020, 04:52:56 PM
https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/950533/1
Title: Warren- Sanders
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 20, 2020, 11:06:30 PM
https://imgflip.com/i/3mgrlp
Title: Re: Warren- Sanders
Post by: DougMacG on January 21, 2020, 08:17:16 AM
https://imgflip.com/i/3mgrlp

Too bad he's not that fast on his feet.  She never would released the audio. 

Her accusation (pre-planned) is meant to make it look like she was telling the truth, but that isn't what she would have said if she was.  She would have said, "Yes you said that, that's exactly what you said", not 'you exposed me in front of everyone as a liar.'
Title: 2020 election - NYT endorsement, Dem's best (bad) choices for President
Post by: DougMacG on January 22, 2020, 07:02:15 AM
I post it here for the record so you don't have to enrich them with your click to see such drivel.  My test of leftists is to see if they can make their point without lying - usually in the first sentence.  In this case, their first point about Trump is that he is pushing "white nativism".  When did he say that, or did they just make it up?  Bragging abut lowest black and Hispanic unemployment ever is white nativism??Talk about bunk.

Amy has charisma?  Where??

They endorse because they have different approaches, different policies.  Is that an endorsement?  Or just Orange Man bad?
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The Choice The Endorsement Bernie Sanders Tom Steyer Cory Booker Elizabeth Warren Andrew Yang Amy Klobuchar Pete Buttigieg Deval Patrick Joe Biden
Next
In a break with convention, the
editorial board has chosen to endorse two separate
Democratic candidates for president.
Amy Klobuchar
and
Elizabeth Warren
 
Opinion
The Democrats’ Best Choices for President
By The Editorial Board
Published Jan. 19, 2020

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American voters must choose between three sharply divergent visions of the future.
The incumbent president, Donald Trump, is clear about where he is guiding the Republican Party — white nativism at home and America First unilateralism abroad, brazen corruption, escalating culture wars, a judiciary stacked with ideologues and the veneration of a mythological past where the hierarchy in American society was defined and unchallenged.
On the Democratic side, an essential debate is underway between two visions that may define the future of the party and perhaps the nation. Some in the party view President Trump as an aberration and believe that a return to a more sensible America is possible. Then there are those who believe that President Trump was the product of political and economic systems so rotten that they must be replaced.

The Democratic primary contest is often portrayed as a tussle between moderates and progressives. To some extent that’s true. But when we spent significant time with the leading candidates, the similarity of their platforms on fundamental issues became striking.

Nearly any of them would be the most progressive president in decades on issues like health care, the economy and government’s allocations of resources. Where they differ most significantly is not the what but the how, in whether they believe the country’s institutions and norms are up to the challenge of the moment.
Many Democratic voters are concerned first and foremost about who can beat Mr. Trump. But with a crowded field and with traditional polling in tatters, that calculation calls for a hefty dose of humility about anyone’s ability to foretell what voters want.
Choosing who should face off against Mr. Trump also means acknowledging that Americans are being confronted with three models for how to govern this country, not two. Democrats must decide which of their two models would be most compelling for the American people and best suited for repairing the Republic.
The party’s large and raucous field has made having that clean debate more difficult. With all the focus on personal characteristics — age and race and experience — and a handful of the most contentious issues, voters haven’t benefited from a clarifying choice about the party’s message in the election and the approach to governing beyond it.
It was a privilege for us on the editorial board to spend more than a dozen hours talking to candidates, asking them any question that came to mind. Yet that exercise is impossible for most Americans, and we were left wanting for a more focused conversation for the public. Now is the time to narrow the race.
The history of the editorial board would suggest that we would side squarely with the candidate with a more traditional approach to pushing the nation forward, within the realities of a constitutional framework and a multiparty country. But the events of the past few years have shaken the confidence of even the most committed institutionalists. We are not veering away from the values we espouse, but we are rattled by the weakness of the institutions that we trusted to undergird those values.
There are legitimate questions about whether our democratic system is fundamentally broken. Our elections are getting less free and fair, Congress and the courts are increasingly partisan, foreign nations are flooding society with misinformation, a deluge of money flows through our politics. And the economic mobility that made the American dream possible is vanishing.
Both the radical and the realist models warrant serious consideration. If there were ever a time to be open to new ideas, it is now. If there were ever a time to seek stability, now is it.
That’s why we’re endorsing the most effective advocates for each approach. They are Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar.
At the dawn of 2020, some of the most compelling ideas are not emerging from the center, but from the left wing of the Democratic Party. That’s a testament to the effectiveness of the case that Bernie Sanders and Senator Warren have made about what ails the country. We worry about ideological rigidity and overreach, and we’d certainly push back on specific policy proposals, like nationalizing health insurance or decriminalizing the border. But we are also struck by how much more effectively their messages have matched the moment.

Senator Sanders has spent nearly four decades advocating revolutionary change for a nation whose politics often move with glacial slowness. A career spent adjacent to the Democratic Party but not a part of it has allowed him to level trenchant criticism of a political party that often caters more to rich donors than to the middle class. Many of his ideas that were once labeled radical — like paid family leave, a higher minimum wage, universal health care and limits on military intervention — are now mainstream, and may attract voters who helped elect Mr. Trump in 2016.
Mr. Sanders would be 79 when he assumed office, and after an October heart attack, his health is a serious concern. Then, there’s how Mr. Sanders approaches politics. He boasts that compromise is anathema to him. Only his prescriptions can be the right ones, even though most are overly rigid, untested and divisive. He promises that once in office, a groundswell of support will emerge to push through his agenda. Three years into the Trump administration, we see little advantage to exchanging one over-promising, divisive figure in Washington for another.
Good news, then, that Elizabeth Warren has emerged as a standard-bearer for the Democratic left.

‘All I Can Do Is Get Out and Tell You What I’ll Fight For’

This video excerpt has been edited by “The Weekly.”
Senator Warren is a gifted storyteller. She speaks elegantly of how the economic system is rigged against all but the wealthiest Americans, and of “our chance to rewrite the rules of power in our country,” as she put it in a speech last month. In her hands, that story has the passion of a convert, a longtime Republican from Oklahoma and a middle-class family, whose work studying economic realities left her increasingly worried about the future of the country. The word “rigged” feels less bombastic than rooted in an informed assessment of what the nation needs to do to reassert its historic ideals like fairness, generosity and equality.
She is also committed to reforming the fundamental structures of government and the economy — her first commitment is to anti-corruption legislation, which is not only urgently needed but also has the potential to find bipartisan support. She speaks fluently about foreign policy, including how to improve NATO relations, something that will be badly needed after Mr. Trump leaves office.
Her campaign’s plans, in general, demonstrate a serious approach to policymaking that some of the other candidates lack. Ms. Warren accurately describes a lack of housing construction as the primary driver of the nation’s housing crisis, and she has proposed both increases in government funding for housing construction, and changes in regulatory policy to encourage local governments to allow more construction.
She has plans to sharply increase federal investment in clean energy research and to wean the American economy from fossil fuels. She has described how she would reduce the economic and political power of large corporations and give workers more ability to bargain collectively. And she has proposed a sweeping expansion of government support for Americans at every stage of life, from universal child care to free public college to expanded Social Security.
At the same time, a conservative federal judiciary will be almost as significant a roadblock for progressive change. For Ms. Warren, that leaves open questions — ones she was unwilling to wrestle with in our interview. Ms. Warren has proposed to pay for an expanded social safety net by imposing a new tax on wealth. But even if she could push such a bill through the Senate, the idea is constitutionally suspect and would inevitably be bogged down for years in the courts. A conservative judiciary also could constrain a President Warren’s regulatory powers, and roll back access to health care.
Carrying out a progressive agenda through new laws will also be very hard for any Democratic president. In that light, voters could consider what a Democratic president might accomplish without new legislation and, in particular, they could focus on the presidency’s wide-ranging powers to shape American society through the creation and enforcement of regulations.
As an adviser to President Barack Obama, Ms. Warren was the person most responsible for the creation of a new regulatory agency, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. In her interview with the editorial board, she demonstrated her sophisticated understanding of the different levers of power in an administration, particularly in the use of regulation in areas such as trade, antitrust and environmental policy.
When she first arrived in Washington, amid the Great Recession, Senator Warren distinguished herself as a citizen-politician. She showed an admirable desire to shake off the entrapments of many Washington interests in favor of pragmatic problem-solving on behalf of regular people. In her primary campaign, however, she has shown some questionable political instincts. She sometimes sounds like a candidate who sees a universe of us-versus-thems, who, in the general election, would be going up against a president who has already divided America into his own version of them and us.
This has been most obvious in her case for “Medicare for all,” where she has already had to soften her message, as voters have expressed their lack of support for her plan. There are good, sound reasons for a public health care option — countries all over the world have demonstrated that. But Ms. Warren’s version would require winning over a skeptical public, legislative trench warfare to pass bills in Congress, the dismantling of a private health care system. That system, through existing public-private programs like Medicare Advantage, has shown it is not nearly as flawed as she insists, and it is even lauded by health economists who now advocate a single-payer system.
American capitalism is responsible for its share of sins. But Ms. Warren often casts the net far too wide, placing the blame for a host of maladies from climate change to gun violence at the feet of the business community when the onus is on society as a whole. The country needs a more unifying path. The senator talks more about bringing together Democrats, Republicans and independents behind her proposals, often leaning on anecdotes about her conservative brothers to do so. Ms. Warren has the power and conviction and credibility to make the case — especially given her past as a Republican — but she needs to draw on practicality and patience as much as her down-and-dirty critique of the system.
Ms. Warren’s path to the nomination is challenging, but not hard to envision. The four front-runners are bunched together both in national polls and surveys in states holding the first votes, so small shifts in voter sentiment can have an outsize influence this early in the campaign. There are plenty of progressives who are hungry for major change but may harbor lingering concerns about a messenger as divisive as Mr. Sanders. At the same time, some moderate Democratic primary voters see Ms. Warren as someone who speaks to their concerns about inequality and corruption. Her earlier leaps in the polls suggest she can attract more of both.
The lack of a single, powerful moderate voice in this Democratic race is the strongest evidence of a divided party. Never mind the talented, honorable politicians who chose to sit this fight out; just stop and consider the talents who did throw their hat into the ring and never got more than a passing glance from voters — Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Steve Bullock, Michael Bennet, Deval Patrick, Jay Inslee, among others.
Those candidates who remain all have a mix of strengths and weaknesses.
Pete Buttigieg, who is 38 and who was elected mayor of South Bend, Ind., in 2011, has an all-star résumé — Harvard graduate, Rhodes scholar, Navy veteran who served in Afghanistan, the first serious openly gay presidential candidate. His showing in the lead-up to the primaries predicts a bright political future; we look forward to him working his way up.
Andrew Yang, an entrepreneur and philanthropist, is an engaging and enthusiastic candidate whose diagnoses are often thought-provoking. He points to new solutions to 21st-century challenges rather than retrofitting old ideas. Yet he has virtually no experience in government. We hope he decides to get involved in New York politics.
Michael Bloomberg served three terms as New York’s mayor (and was endorsed twice by this page). A multibillionaire who built his namesake company from scratch, he is many of the things Mr. Trump pretends to be and would be an effective contrast to the president in a campaign. Mr. Bloomberg is the candidate in the race with the clearest track record of governing, even if that record has its blemishes, beginning with his belated and convenient apology for stop-and-frisk policing.

Still, Mr. Bloomberg’s current campaign approach reveals more about America’s broken system than his likelihood of fixing it. Rather than build support through his ideas and experience, Mr. Bloomberg has spent at least $217 million to date to circumvent the hard, uncomfortable work of actual campaigning. He’s also avoided difficult questions — going so far as to bar his own news organization from investigating him, and declining to meet with The Times’s editorial board under the pretext that he didn’t yet have positions on enough issues. What’s worse, Mr. Bloomberg refuses to allow several women with whom he has nondisclosure settlements to speak freely.
Few men have given more of their time and experience to the conduct of the public’s business than Joe Biden. The former vice president commands the greatest fluency on foreign policy and is a figure of great warmth and empathy. He’s prone to verbal stumbles, yes, but social media has also made every gaffe a crisis when it clearly is not.
Mr. Biden maintains a lead in national polls, but that may be a measure of familiarity as much as voter intention. His central pitch to voters is that he can beat Donald Trump. His agenda tinkers at the edges of issues like health care and climate, and he emphasizes returning the country to where things were before the Trump era. But merely restoring the status quo will not get America where it needs to go as a society. What’s more, Mr. Biden is 77. It is time for him to pass the torch to a new generation of political leaders.
Good news, then, that Amy Klobuchar has emerged as a standard-bearer for the Democratic center. Her vision goes beyond the incremental. Given the polarization in Washington and beyond, the best chance to enact many progressive plans could be under a Klobuchar administration.
The senator from Minnesota is the very definition of Midwestern charisma, grit and sticktoitiveness. Her lengthy tenure in the Senate and bipartisan credentials would make her a deal maker (a real one) and uniter for the wings of the party — and perhaps the nation.

‘I Am Someone That Has a Record of Bringing People With Me’

This video excerpt has been edited by “The Weekly.”
She promises to put the country on the path — through huge investments in green infrastructure and legislation to lower emissions — to achieve 100 percent net-zero emissions no later than 2050. She pledges to cut childhood poverty in half in a decade by expanding the earned-income and child care tax credits. She also wants to expand food stamps and overhaul housing policy and has developed the field’s most detailed plan for treating addiction and mental illness. And this is all in addition to pushing for a robust public option in health care, free community college and a federal minimum wage of $15 an hour.
Ms. Klobuchar speaks about issues like climate change, the narrowing middle class, gun safety and trade with an empathy that connects to voters’ lived experiences, especially in the middle of the country. The senator talks, often with self-deprecating humor, about growing up the daughter of two union workers, her Uncle Dick’s deer stand, her father’s struggles with alcoholism and her Christian faith.
Ms. Klobuchar promises a foreign policy based on leading by example, instead of by threat-via-tweet. As a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, she serves on the subcommittees responsible for oversight of the Department of Homeland Security, as well as the nation’s borders and its immigration, citizenship and refugee laws. In 13 years as a senator, she has sponsored and voted on dozens of national defense measures, including military action in Libya and Syria. Her record shows that she is confident and thoughtful, and she reacts to data — what you’d want in a crisis.
All have helped Ms. Klobuchar to be the most productive senator among the Democratic field in terms of bills passed with bipartisan support, according to a recent study for the Center for Effective Lawmaking. When she arrived in the Senate in 2007, Ms. Klobuchar was part of a bipartisan group of lawmakers that proposed comprehensive immigration reform, including a path to citizenship for 12 million undocumented immigrants, before conservative pundits made it political poison. Her more recent legislative accomplishments are narrower but meaningful to those affected, especially the legislation aimed at helping crime victims. This is not surprising given her background as the chief prosecutor in Minnesota’s most populous county. For example, one measure she wrote helped provide funds to reduce a nationwide backlog of rape kits for investigating sexual assaults.
Reports of how Senator Klobuchar treats her staff give us pause. They raise serious questions about her ability to attract and hire talented people. Surrounding the president with a team of seasoned, reasoned leaders is critical to the success of an administration, not doing so is often the downfall of presidencies. Ms. Klobuchar has acknowledged she’s a tough boss and pledged to do better. (To be fair, Bill Clinton and Mr. Trump — not to mention former Vice President Biden — also have reputations for sometimes berating their staffs, and it is rarely mentioned as a political liability.)
Ms. Klobuchar doesn’t have the polished veneer and smooth delivery that comes from a lifetime spent in the national spotlight, and she has struggled to gain traction on the campaign trail. In Minnesota, however, she is enormously popular. She has won all three of her Senate elections by double digits. In 2016, Hillary Clinton carried nine of Minnesota’s 87 counties. Ms. Klobuchar carried 51 in 2018. And it’s far too early to count Ms. Klobuchar out — Senator John Kerry, the eventual Democratic nominee in 2004, was also polling in the single digits at this point in the race.
There has been a wildfire burning in Australia larger than Switzerland. The Middle East is more unstable at this moment than at any other time in the past decade, with a nuclear arms race looking more when than if. Basket-case governments in several nations south of the Rio Grande have sent a historic flood of migrants to our southern border. Global technology companies exert more political influence than some national governments. White nationalists from Norway to New Zealand to El Paso use the internet to share ideas about racial superiority and which caliber of rifle works best for the next mass killing.
The next president will shape the direction of America’s prosperity and the future of the planet, perhaps irrevocably. The current president, meanwhile, is a threat to democracy. He was impeached for strong-arming Ukraine into tampering with the 2020 election. There is no reason patriotic Americans should not be open to every chance to replace him at the ballot box.
Yet, Mr. Trump maintains near-universal approval from his party and will nearly certainly coast to the nomination. Democrats would be smart to recognize that Mr. Trump’s vision for America’s future is shared by many millions of Americans.
Any hope of restoring unity in the country will require modesty, a willingness to compromise and the support of the many demographics that make up the Democratic coalition — young and old, in red states and blue, black and brown and white. For Senator Klobuchar, that’s acknowledging the depth of the nation’s dysfunction. For Senator Warren, it’s understanding that the country is more diverse than her base.
There will be those dissatisfied that this page is not throwing its weight behind a single candidate, favoring centrists or progressives. But it’s a fight the party itself has been itching to have since Mrs. Clinton’s defeat in 2016, and one that should be played out in the public arena and in the privacy of the voting booth. That’s the very purpose of primaries, to test-market strategies and ideas that can galvanize and inspire the country.
Ms. Klobuchar and Ms. Warren right now are the Democrats best equipped to lead that debate.
May the best woman win.
Correction: An earlier version of this article misstated the most votes Mayor Pete Buttigieg previously won. It is roughly 630,000 votes in his loss in the 2010 race to be Indiana state treasurer. He won roughly 11,000 votes to become mayor of South Bend, Ind.




Title: 2020 Presidential election: Gloomy, getting gloomier for Dems
Post by: DougMacG on January 25, 2020, 01:02:53 PM
A few people like Steve Hayward seem to mirror a side of my brain.  His rambling here matches my thinking and saves me the from trying to put it to words.  Dems are screwed if they do and screwed if they don't - choose Bernie - or Biden - or whomever.  [Meanwhile Republicans are united for the moment.]

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/01/the-state-of-things-for-dems-gloomy-getting-gloomier.php
Title: Dems getting even gloomier; Yang?!?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 25, 2020, 03:43:25 PM
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/01/the-state-of-things-for-dems-gloomy-getting-gloomier.php

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/24/yangsurge-trends-as-andrew-yang-jumps-to-fourth-in-national-poll/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=best_of_the_week&utm_campaign=20200125
Title: Re: Dems getting even gloomier; Yang?!?
Post by: DougMacG on January 25, 2020, 06:03:33 PM
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/01/the-state-of-things-for-dems-gloomy-getting-gloomier.php

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/24/yangsurge-trends-as-andrew-yang-jumps-to-fourth-in-national-poll/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=best_of_the_week&utm_campaign=20200125

8% of Democrats only is still next to nothing but I'm glad he is the one gaining ground. As my old boss said about my division doubling its sales, two times sh* is still sh*t.

Funny that the two the NYT picked dropped coincidental to that news. 

Some good aspects to Yang's rise: He would be a better President than Butti, Klob. or Warren.  He will probably cap out below Biden and Bernie but split the delegate field if he rises enough.  If he won the nomination he would make for a better campaign and general election for the nation than the others mentioned.

From the Trump or Republican view, that looks like a Biden Bernie tie, both miserable candidates in different ways.
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/25/andrew-yang-2020-candidate-calls-out-dnc-for-exclu/
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 25, 2020, 10:19:05 PM
My present assessment is this:

More bad news in the Biden & Son Grifters and Grafters pipeline coming soon.  The Sandernistas will get ornery in response to the treatment of their guy by the Dem establishment and their running dogs in the Pravdas.  Forked Tongue Lizzy will bleed votes to him.  Wife Pete has peaked.  Tulsi, Yang et al are there for color in the reportage.

The first four primaries may well not yield a nominee apparent.

The one to watch for is Bloomberg.  IMHO his ads are effective and he may well surprise upside on Super Tuesday.

Considerable chance of no one winning on the first round at the Convention, at which point the super delegates come in.

Hillary will try making a move.

My present prediction is the final three will be Bernie, Bloomie, and the Dowager Empress with the DE getting laughed out of the building and the Super Delegates going for Bloomie.

Title: Yang
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 27, 2020, 02:18:54 PM
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/andrew-yang-criticize-obama-handling-financial-crisis-economy-wall-street-2020-1-1028847191
Title: Bloomberg
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 27, 2020, 09:50:58 PM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/25/nyc-mayor-bloomberg-government-has-right-infringe-/
Title: 2020 Presidential election, Bloomberg doubles down on past Dem failed policies
Post by: DougMacG on January 29, 2020, 07:57:24 AM
Shall we give him his own thread if he hits 10% of Dem support?

I think his importance to the electorate is overestimated outside of the NYC awareness sphere.  I see his ads bragging he is 100% pro-choice.  They all are so it strikes me as being a little bit defensive. 

Latest from Calif, where money should make the most difference:

Sanders 26, Warren 20, Biden 15, Buttigieg 7, Bloomberg 6, Klobuchar 5, Yang 4, Steyer 2
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-01-28/bernie-sanders-grabs-lead-in-california-presidential-primary
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https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/22/bloombergs-plan-for-black-americans-doubles-down-on-the-lefts-failures/
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 29, 2020, 01:42:25 PM
"Shall we give him his own thread if he hits 10% of Dem support?"

Sounds good.  I thought I saw a poll to that effect recently , , ,
Title: Medgar Evers brother endorses President Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 29, 2020, 02:55:41 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/04/brother-slain-civil-rights-leader-medgar-evers-endorses-trump/81314234/
Title: bern a mensch
Post by: ccp on January 29, 2020, 03:29:06 PM
best laugh all week

Bernie is suddenly a mensch:

https://apnews.com/38d217df36e903a671089dfb4e669218

He is a prototypical Commie Jew
dedicated to to the Communist Party (Democrat Party) and born a Jew .
(though has never to my knowledge ever identified with being Jewish as an adult in or politics)

Don't worry Bern 80 % of us Jews will (not me ) vote for you if you are the Com/Dem Party candidate.
Title: Sanders promo clip
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 31, 2020, 07:11:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikgh4JbAWUU&feature=share
Title: Bloomie buys DNC
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 01, 2020, 12:23:06 AM
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/z3bmjx/mike-bloomberg-gave-the-dnc-dollar300000-two-days-before-he-entered-the-race?utm_source=vicenewsfacebook
Title: DNC super delegates
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 01, 2020, 12:24:43 AM
second post

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/31/dnc-superdelegates-110083
Title: Sanders daughter on public dole
Post by: ccp on February 01, 2020, 07:47:27 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/bernie-sanders-public-service-rich-peter-schweizer
Title: Could this be why Sandernista is having a tough time with the black vote?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 01, 2020, 11:13:02 PM
https://freebeacon.com/politics/bernie-sanders-dylann-roof/
Title: Trump's acquittal is real
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 01, 2020, 11:15:12 PM
second

https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/31/yes-trumps-acquittal-is-real-and-its-spectacular/
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election: Game on!
Post by: DougMacG on February 03, 2020, 10:07:44 AM
Iowa tonight.  State of the union Tuesday.  Acquittal Wed.  NH next week.  Super Tues one month away.

Polls say Bernie wins Iowa and NH.  Biden second, then wins SC, NV?  Then mixed results Super Tues.

Who falls, drops out?  Who survives, gains momentum?  Klob, Butti, Fauchahantas, will they all under-perform or will someone bump up?
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2020/02/01/questions-2020-iowa-caucuses-will-answer/4615168002/
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/02/03/four_scenarios_for_tonights_caucuses_142298.html

It is not just who will prevail but will they re-unite a badly divided party?  Four years ago Hillary Clinton tried to unite and win by adopting Bernie's agenda in the general election, fearing an uprising or desertion of the Left.  This year we will either have the Left on the ticket in Bernie, or we will have someone who defeated the radical side of the Left.  Then perhaps we will see the uprising or desertion that the so-called moderates feared.

I've asked my liberal friends, which Dem?  I've only heard unenthusiastic "Biden" mutterances in response - except for one who works for Amy.  Nobody new has caught on.

Who do YOUR liberal friends and relatives like?
Title: NRO: Yang
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 03, 2020, 05:34:54 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/02/andrew-yang-is-the-most-likable-2020-democrat/
Title: As seen on Insty
Post by: G M on February 03, 2020, 06:56:32 PM
https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/sanders_warren_private_planes_2-3-20.jpg


(https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/sanders_warren_private_planes_2-3-20.jpg)
Title: Separate private planes to push Green New Deal: Talk about trickle up economics!
Post by: DougMacG on February 04, 2020, 07:05:21 AM
I am so old I remember when the term 'stupid party' on the forum meant Republicans.  THIS is tone deaf. I've never seen anything like it, at least since the taxpayers flew the Obama's dog BO on a separate jet to Martha's vineyard.  What was his hurry?

I wondered how these Senate Democrats fly out of an impeachment hearing of their own choosing to find a last second seat on an airline to Iowa - like little people do?  But as they brag all their donations come from little people, they don't need to fly 'commercial' anymore.  They have the little people's money now.

Trying to think who it reminds me of:  "By helping the shepherd, you're helping the sheep."
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/televangelists-jim-tammy-faye-bakker-fall-grace-article-1.3387060

More CO2 was spewed than little people emit in a lifetime.  "Driver, take me to Mason City, and step on it!"

Besides, Democrats holding an event in Iowa 2020 is about as relevant as Republicans holding their first caucus in Massachusetts.  Is it too early to call Iowa for Trump?

https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/sanders_warren_private_planes_2-3-20.jpg


(https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/sanders_warren_private_planes_2-3-20.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on February 04, 2020, 07:34:16 AM
The Sanders campaign reports it received 29.7 percent of the vote, closely followed by former South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg at 24.6 percent. Sen. Elizabeth Warren came in at 21.2 percent, and former Vice President Joe Biden in fourth at 12.4 percent.
https://theintercept.com/2020/02/04/sanders-campaign-release-caucus-numbers-iowa-buttigieg/

Accuracy unknown except that the winner has the least reason to lie.

The fall of Biden is the big story.  He needed to at least be competitive.

That is better than expected for Warren, but how do you call losing to Buttigieg a win?

Shocking, Klobuchar is not mentioned.  Dismal 5th in her must-win state?  So sad.  "On to New Hampshire!"  For what, post-campaign vacation?

It's not even a win for Sanders with the failed process stepping on his fairy tail story.  But assuming he wins NH, winning both and crushing Biden before they head into Nevada and South Carolina IS a story.

Unless people think Butti is the real deal, this opens the door a mile wide for Mini Mike, who also lacks wide appeal.  Mike didn't want to take his anti-gun message to Iowa?  He couldn't afford the media market in the big Quad Cities/Davenport?  He knows the liberal vote in Iowa is in the college towns and Bernie strangely owns the the young skulls of mush vote.
Title: t's not even a win for Sanders with the failed process stepping on his fairy tai
Post by: ccp on February 04, 2020, 07:58:50 AM
perennial loser MOOOOK is involved:


https://pjmedia.com/election/hoo-boy-hillarys-campaign-manager-was-involved-with-that-disastrous-iowa-caucus-app/

as . a Republican gotta love this pajama boy clinton appartichik

he is a total screw up.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Iowa
Post by: DougMacG on February 04, 2020, 08:41:25 AM
The focus last night is wrongly placed on how bad this process makes Iowa look.  The Democrats hate Iowa, too many white voters etc.  They already wanted to move the first primary out before this happened.  Now for sure they will. 

But think about it the other way around, what kind of impression did the Democrats make to Iowans? 

The only two term, swing state Governor in the race, with namesake to Iowa, Hickenlooper, came in and told a family audience about taking his mom to see Deep Throat.  Oops:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourke_B._Hickenlooper
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/03/21/john-hickenlooper-took-mom-see-adult-movie-deep-throat/3231629002/

The rest came to advance coastal elite policies that will never win in a state where Jodi Ernst is sure to be reelected Senator.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-joni-ernsts-ad-about-castrating-hogs-transformed-iowas-us-senate-race/2014/05/11/c02d1804-d85b-11e3-95d3-3bcd77cd4e11_story.html

6 out of 10 Iowa homes heat with clean natural gas from a neighboring state that leading Democrats want to outright ban.  [The other 4 out of 10 heat their homes with other fossil fuels, propane, that Democrats want to ban.]   https://www.eia.gov/state/analysis.php?sid=IA6

Heating your home is not a political joke in the Upper Midwest.  Taking away heat in winter is not a gaffe; it is an act of war.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Zogby
Post by: DougMacG on February 04, 2020, 08:46:01 AM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trump-expanding-base-of-black-hispanic-suburban-voters-has-51-approval

“The president continues to receive a high approval rating near or slightly above 50% for the third straight poll. He has rebounded with Independents, women, suburban voters and suburban women,”

...a resurgence of support among independents, suburbanites, suburban women, and an expansion beyond his 2016 support among black and Hispanic voters.
...
In the suburbs, the impeachment reaction has helped Trump. “Since the House impeachment and Senate trial, Trump’s job approval rating and numbers against his Democratic rivals have improved with Independents, suburban voters and suburban women,” said the analysis.

With black voters overall, 22% support Trump, a significant jump from the 8% he won in 2016.

And with Hispanic voters, Trump’s average is 36%, also up big from the 28% he won in 2016.

Zogby added that among Hispanic voters who feel good about the economy, support for Trump is even wider.
Title: VDH: The art of warping elections
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 04, 2020, 10:52:13 AM
That is good news!
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The Art of Warping Elections
By VICTOR DAVIS HANSON
February 4, 2020 6:30 AM

President Barack Obama listens to a question during his last press conference at the White House, January 18, 2017. (Joshua Roberts/Reuters)
Team Obama paved the way.
No sooner were Democrats’ Trump-Russia collusion charges debunked than they began to claim that Trump will do again in 2020 what Robert Mueller found he did not do in 2016: rig the election.

After 22 months, nearly 500 subpoenas, and somewhere around $35 million in costs, special counsel Robert Mueller’s much praised progressive “all-star” team of lawyers and investigators found no evidence that Donald Trump had colluded with the Russians. Trump did not warp the 2016 election, and so he had not unfairly defeated the supposed sure-winner Hillary Clinton. But again those who have investigated and attacked Trump nonstop probably are seeking to do in 2020 what they falsely accused Trump of doing in 2016.

Mueller’s failure to find any collusion evidence was not for want of the dream team’s “bombshell” and “walls are closing in” leaks to CNN and MSNBC talking heads, over the course of 88 weeks. Almost daily we heard ad nauseam that Trump was soon to be indicted, convicted, removed, or summarily dispatched.

If anyone should have found “collusion,” it was certainly the Mueller zealots, then de facto ramrodded by current MSNBC partisan “legal” analyst Andrew Weissmann. (How odd that John Brennan, James Clapper, Andrew McCabe, and Andrew Weissmann leak to MSNBC and CNN and then, in the out-phase of their perpetually revolving-door careers, end up rewarded by their receptacles as paid TV analysts).

In the end, the “hunter-killer team” imploded.

Its ranks, in mediis rebus, were depleted by the summary firings of unethical anti-Trump FBI officials such as Lisa Page, and Peter Strozk, who had ridiculed the target of their investigation in amorous textual exchanges. Also fired for bias was FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith (“Viva le [sic] résistance),” who had also illegally altered a document to befool a FISA judge. The entire charade finally ended with Mueller’s post facto enfeebled testimony before congressional committee, in which he mysteriously claimed little knowledge of Fusion GPS and its offspring the Steele dossier, the fonts and catalysts of his own investigation.

NOW WATCH: 'George Soros Thinks Trump And Facebook Are Conspiring to Get Him Re-Elected'

Few, however, dared to say that the entire fraud will have played a role in the 2020 election, or at least was meant to play a part by embarrassing and defaming Trump — in the manner of the current impeachment hoax.

Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s huge team at the Department of Justice used almost as many resources as Mueller and found that the FBI and DOJ had deluded a FISA court in order to spy on an American citizen, who just happened to be a low-level Trump aide. It incidentally also discovered that a foreign national Christopher Steele had peddled junk opposition research that was gobbled up by Obama-administration intelligence agencies in an effort to spy on Page and thus the Trump campaign. Through the “two-hop” rule, a warrant allows spying on an individual, and on anyone that individual has contacted, and additionally on anyone those secondary people have contacted. Further, the warrant allows investigators to look back in time, going back years. In short, in today’s climate, one could argue that Team Obama functionaries, even in retirement, sought to influence the 2016 election by slandering Trump, and his holdover appointees have kept up their obsessions in order to affect the 2020 election.

Not one Democrat impeacher believes that Trump will be convicted and removed from office. All of them probably trust that impeaching him in the House will weaken his chances at reelection — and that they should, as impeachment is merely using government properly to influence an election.

Yet, under the current new standards, we might have easily impeached almost any prior first-term president on a variety of charges and certainly questioned the fairness of any incumbent’s election victory.

Take the divine Barack Obama. Obstruction of Congress?

Obama invoked executive privilege to obstruct congressional subpoenas in the Fast and Furious scandals. People died. And they died in Benghazi, a preventable debacle that was fraudulently blamed on an obscure video-maker. And some likely died as the result of the illegal Taliban–Bergdahl hostage swap.

Abuse of power? In the run-up to his 2012 reelection campaign, Obama weaponized the IRS to neuter Tea Party groups so they’d have no chance to repeat the stunning success they enjoyed in the 2010 midterm elections. And would monitoring the communications of Associated Press journalists now qualify as an abuse of power? Maybe stonewalling the Senate and passing the Iranian-deal treaty without a two-thirds ratification vote could qualify as well? Would sacrificing Eastern Europe missile defense for Putin’s temporary good behavior (prior to the 2012 election) qualify as a Trumpian impeachable quid pro quo? Not giving lethal aid to the Ukrainians in fear of Putin’s wrath?

On the further matter of warping an election, reconsider the successful reelection of Barack Obama in 2102. A number of scholars, including researchers from the Kennedy School of Government, Stockholm University, and the American Enterprise Institute, later suggested that had the Tea Party not been emasculated by systematic and politicized IRS harassment, it might have added more than 5 million voters to Republican ranks — more than the margin of Obama’s victory — in the 2012 election.

Then there was Obama’s election-year lapse when he got caught on a hot mic (on March 21, 2012), pledging to outgoing Putin surrogate Dmitri Medvedev that if Putin just gave Obama “space” before his reelection (i.e., not causing trouble in Eastern Europe and thus discrediting the entire sham of Russian “reset”), then a successfully reelected Obama in return would show “flexibility” on joint American–Eastern European missile defense — meaning that Obama would cancel the long-planned missile-defense shield).

Remember the quid pro quo context: Romney was running neck and neck in the polls with Obama and was rebuking the president for his “reset” softness about Putin’s increasing hostility to the U.S. and its interests. If Putin were to hibernate during the American election cycle, it would be easier to diminish Romney as a Cold War dinosaur. Obama later argued exactly that in a presidential debate: “When you were asked, “What the biggest geopolitical threat facing America?’ you said Russia! . . . The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back, because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years.” And so voters were reminded of the trademark Obama charisma that had achieved peace and mesmerized even thuggish enemies

Unlike Trump’s pseudo-scandal that never resulted in a cutoff of aid to Ukraine (indeed, Trump’s aid to Ukraine far superseded that of the timid Obama administration, which refused to sell Javelin anti-tank missiles to Ukraine), Obama’s tit-for-tat deal delivered the politically convenient results: Putin delayed his territorial expansion into Crimea and Eastern Ukraine until after Obama’s reelection, and the U.S. did withdraw its sponsorship of Eastern Europe missile defense.

But there was more in pre-election 2012.

Do we remember former Fugees rapper Prakazrel “Pras” Michel and the strange, rich Malaysian wheeler-dealer Low Taek Jho — the pair who had planned to channel some $21 million in mostly foreign monies into pro-Obama outlets during the 2012 election? How strange that we did not discover fully their nefarious electioneering until seven years after the fact — given that “collusion” with foreign entities to “rig” U.S. elections are the chief concerns of watchdog Democrats. Had voters known of such past skullduggery at the time, would they have factored in that malfeasance on Election Day?

Then there was other mysterious “news” that broke just after Obama was reelected in 2012. Again, it was only in December 2012, after the president was reelected, that the Federal Election Commission clarified its earlier preliminary findings of illegal behavior by the 2008 Obama campaign. Only weeks after the president’s 2012 reelection, the Commission announced that it was leveling one of the largest fines ($375,000) in its history on Obama’s earlier campaign for not disclosing the amounts or sources of sizable donations. How conveniently odd that after four years of investigatory work, the voters learned right after — rather than before — Election Day that the Obama team had a bad habit of breaking fundraising and campaigning rules.

There were even more mysterious 2012 post-election “bombshells.” A mere 24 hours after Obama’s victory, the public was tersely told that the Iranians, five days earlier, well before Election Day, had fired on an American drone — a most unwelcome development in the then ongoing courting of Iran that would eventually lead to the infamous Iran deal.

Might voters have appreciated that knowledge as they assessed the degree of success or failure of the Obama’s reset outreach to Iran?

Even stranger still was the abrupt resignation of CIA director David Petraeus scarcely more than two days after the election. Weeks earlier, Petraeus had given substantial closed-door testimony to congressional committees about the election-cycle Benghazi disaster, the role of the CIA in security lapses in Benghazi, and, most controversially, the nature of the attack: whether it was a preplanned terrorist hit or, as the administration claimed, an ad hoc mortar barrage incited by a supposedly Islamophobic, right-wing video made by a Lebanese Coptic Christian living in America.

Remember, we were repeatedly told by Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton that a nefarious, reactionary, immigrant Muslim-hater had quite unexpectedly egged on the Arab Street, which in turn led to a spontaneous rampage against Americans — a narrative that would hide the Obama administration’s wages of appeasement, manifested in negligently lax security for our diplomatic and security personnel in the American-induced badlands of Libya.

What was not known at the time of Petraeus’s testimony was that, four weeks earlier, Attorney General Eric Holder and the FBI had formally started investigating the CIA director for alleged security lapses concerning his contacts with his mistress.

Voters learned of all that only a few days after Election Day, with the CIA director’s stunning resignation and apology, and subsequent plea bargaining to a lesser offense — all leading to the replacement appointment of John Brennan, known subsequently for lying under oath with impunity on two occasions to Congress.

Apparently, Obama and Eric Holder felt that, after weeks of investigation, it was critical only after Election Day to immediately announce the fate of Petraeus. This was at a time when some in Congress were complaining that CIA testimonies were less than candid and were unrealistically promoting the administration’s narrative that the Benghazi debacle was the result of spontaneous rioting rather than the work of skilled terrorists who had planned the attacks. Some House members would soon complain that Petraeus’s post-resignation testimony on the nature of the attackers (that they were likely Islamic extremists) differed from his pre-election comments that the video had enraged Libyans and provoked untrained mobs to attack the consul and annex.

Had Petraeus resigned before Election Day, would voters have become curious about the circumstances of his abrupt departure? Would they have asked questions about what exactly the U.S. was doing in Libya and under whose direction?

In other words, the Obama administration, perhaps more so than prior administrations, played politics with the news cycles, abused campaign-finance laws, leveraged its powers of incumbency for partisan advantage, put reelection aims on par with or above U.S. security concerns, left hanging key U.S. allies, and sought to use the administrative state to enhance its 2012 reelection chances and to diminish the opposition’s party 2016 candidate. And all that likely helped reelect Barack Obama.

Until recently, I believed that none of this Obama skullduggery rose to the level of impeachable offenses that would have nullified the 2012 election and canceled out the votes of millions of Americans.

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Now, under the new standards established by Adam Schiff, Gerald Nadler, and Nancy Pelosi, all that and more from the Obama administration were most eminently impeachable.
Title: Clinton vets built the Iowa app
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 04, 2020, 11:39:58 AM
https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2020/02/clinton-campaign-veterans-run-firm-that-built-the-disastrous-iowa-caucus-phone-app/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/02/04/after-epic-nightmare-iowa-democratic-app-built-secretive-firm-shadow-inc-comes-under

https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2020/02/dhs-offered-to-test-the-iowa-caucus-app-but-democrats-declined/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on February 05, 2020, 11:09:54 AM
Crafty, from Bloomberg thread:  "It sure looks like the Titanic that is the Biden campaign has hit the Iowan iceberg.  To whom are Biden supporters going to go?

Buttgig?"

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That has been the question all along.  There is no one competent, qualified, attractive in that lane.  Now it is urgent if you are establishment Dem.

Iowa is apparently saying Butti over Biden, but Butti and Iowa are Midwest, now called Trump country.  What does that mean for Dem voters in Calif, NY, Texas?  We'll see.

Along with Biden, Butti kicked Amy K in the butti in her home region.  NH should finish her off if it's not already clear she's done. 

Butti is beating expectations so far, but creating nothing like the excitement like the excitement of Obama 2008.  Obama, out of nowhere, was already a sitting US Senator from a major state, a de facto leader of the Senate with major endorsements.  And he ran in a no incumbent year following Republican division and failure, nothing like now.

Yang (and the rest) also had essentially zero.  There isn't another unknown upstart coming.

Can Biden come part way back after IA, NH? Does Butti rise or fall from here? Warren did better than I expected, can she finish 1 or 2 in NH?  Can Mayor Mike get ONE endorsement?  I see him as getting only enough support to create more division, not closure.  Hillary and Kerry make sounds but can't do it either and there is no one left to dig up and put in.

What we see developing is more chaos, not clarity. 

Airbnb's top destination for 2020 is Milwaukee!  We'll be watching.
https://news.airbnb.com/20-for-2020/
Title: Van Jones on Trump's outreach to Black voters
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 05, 2020, 03:22:10 PM
https://www.westernjournal.com/cnns-van-jones-warns-democrats-trump-winning-black-voters-helping-real-life/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=westernjournalism&utm_content=2020-02-05&utm_campaign=manualpost
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Iowa, Sexist Racist Democrats
Post by: DougMacG on February 06, 2020, 08:04:54 AM
Still not final!  Essentially Sanders and Butti are tied.  Then there is 1st and second round voting. Just what we need (sarc), ranked choice voting.

Peter Buttigieg  42,235  26.2%
Bernard Sanders 44,753  26.1%
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/iowa/
click link to update

Besides Biden, the losers are Warren and Klobuchar (and all the others).  Warren lost to Biden and Klobuchar lost to Buttigieg in the less socialist lane.  In both cases, the woman was equally or better qualified.  If these results matter, they have no blacks left, no women left, no Hispanics left, no Asian Americans left if you count Yang's zero as being out.  It's by their definition this makes them sexist and racist.

Tepid turnout is a cause for some concern among Democrats.
Sean Trende, Senior elections analyst, RealClearPolitics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/02/05/takeaways_from_the_early_iowa_caucus_results_142318.html
Title: ROTFLMAO
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 06, 2020, 12:29:17 PM
Given that it is the Federalist, surprising that there is no mention that the App was developed by Clintonistas , , ,

https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/06/democrat-congresswoman-blames-iowa-caucus-disaster-on-russia/
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on February 06, 2020, 03:02:33 PM
see my post #1078
on election fraud thread

Putin jokingly blamed

never underestimate the chutzpah of the Dems and the Clintonites

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOk


Title: 2020 Presidential, Gallup: Economic Optimism Highest Ever Recorded
Post by: DougMacG on February 07, 2020, 06:12:14 AM
I'm sorry, did they just say, highest such finding Gallup has ever recorded?
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Gallup finds that 59% say they are better off than they were a year ago, as opposed to only 20% who say they are worse off. Those are great numbers–interestingly, we are so divided that political affiliation makes a big difference even on a simple question about one’s own finances–but that isn’t the data point I mean.

The most striking finding is this one: 74% say they expect to be better off a year from now than they are today, the highest such finding Gallup has ever recorded
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/02/why-trump-will-be-re-elected-in-one-data-point.php

This came out before today's big positive employment news.

No idea what's causing it, the WashPost fact checkers call it, the best three years of the Obama expansion!
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on February 07, 2020, 06:21:44 AM
"No idea what's causing it, the WashPost fact checkers call it, the best three years of the Obama expansion!"

scumbags

 and these MSM Democrat operatives get up on their high holy horse and have the nerve to call Trump vindictive
for their *24/7/365* abuse of him

Republicans (minus the jonah golbergs, bill kristols, nicole wallaces, colin powells, michael steeles, guiseppe scarboroughs ( with the comic book archie haircut)
are going to come out in droves and shove it all back in their faces for ignoring us , insulting us , and trying to exterminate our culture our beliefs and freedoms

 in November.   :wink:



Title: 2020 Presidential election, NH Dem Debate Tonight, FYI, 8pm ET ABC
Post by: DougMacG on February 07, 2020, 08:18:46 AM
Is this the one where the wisdom and charisma of Tom Steyer will finally shine through?

Can record low viewership go any lower?

Will they break (brake?) for Bloomberg commercials?

Will people across the fruited plain call up their neighbors to turn on their television sets to see who is this Bootie-judge who broke out in Bettendorf?  But instead see a madman named Sanders giving Castro speeches as the current leader in the clubhouse of JFK's old party.

Will one questioner ask one tough question of one candidate about ANY of the at least 56 Trump accomplishments laid out in the State of the Union, almost none of which would have happened if they were in office?  Or will uttering the label, Manifesto of Mistruths, suffice?

How about just a simple show of hands: Are you for or against economic growth?  Yes?  No?

Then why do you oppose everything that leads to that?!!!
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on February 07, 2020, 09:12:42 AM
"Will one questioner ask one tough question of one candidate "

Zucker's orders -> don't they dare unless they want to look for a new career.
Title: We'd best watch out for Bloomie
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 07, 2020, 09:37:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=WYW6Efw8b5U&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: We'd best watch out for Bloomie
Post by: G M on February 07, 2020, 09:54:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=WYW6Efw8b5U&feature=emb_logo

Keep looking down.
Title: WSJ: Beware Sanders
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 08, 2020, 10:59:46 AM
Bernie Sanders Makes His Charge
Republicans say he can’t win. That’s what Hillary Clinton said about Donald Trump.
By The Editorial Board
Feb. 7, 2020 7:07 pm ET


Sen. Bernie Sanders speaks during a campaign rally in Derry, N.H., Feb. 5.
PHOTO: STEVEN SENNE/ASSOCIATED PRESS

No major American political party has nominated a full-throated socialist for President. But after his strong showing in Iowa, could Bernie Sanders be the first? That’s the question Democrats have to ask as Tuesday’s New Hampshire primary approaches. Republicans may want to hold the Schadenfreude.


The counting fiasco has muddled the Iowa results, but it seems Mr. Sanders has either finished a narrow first or a close second to former South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg. The Vermont Senator now leads in New Hampshire by 4.7 points in the Real Clear Politics average. He has so far held off Elizabeth Warren, his main challenger on the left, who finished a distant third in Iowa and trails in the Granite State.

A second victory would give Mr. Sanders momentum for this month’s later contests in Nevada, where the polls have tightened, and South Carolina, where voters who favor Joe Biden might be looking for a new champion if the former Vice President continues to fade. The Morning Consult poll says Mr. Sanders is the top second choice for Biden supporters, with 27%. Mike Bloomberg is next with 21%.

Mr. Sanders has taken a 4.8-point lead in California, the largest delegate prize on March 3. That day will also include primaries in Colorado, Maine, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Utah and Vermont, all states that Bernie won in 2016. Mr. Sanders won’t lack for money, having raised $25 million last month, on top of the $108 million he previously raised from mostly small donors, according to data at OpenSecrets.org.

All of this is a credit to Mr. Sanders’s grass-roots appeal. He has struck a chord in particular with millennial voters who don’t recall the miseries of Cold War-era socialism. The Senator is running as an outsider in an era when millions of Americans mistrust elite institutions. Not unlike Donald Trump, he campaigns as a fighter for those left behind. The difference is that his foils are corporations and the wealthy, the classic targets of left-wing populists.

The risk for his supporters and the Democratic Party is that Bernie’s platform is the most explicitly left-wing since at least Henry Wallace in 1948. He wants to nationalize health insurance, eliminating 170 million private policies. He wants a $16.3 trillion Green New Deal and a $2.5 trillion housing plan, to include national rent control. He wants to cancel $1.6 trillion in student debt and ban fracking. He wants a “wealth tax” on individual net worth, with rates up to 8% a year. He wants a federal law saying workers can’t be fired without “just cause.”

All of this is no longer disqualifying in a Democratic primary because the party took a sharp left turn during the Obama years and has kept driving. Mr. Sanders’s backers also remember being scolded to rally behind the “electable” Hillary Clinton. Now that pitch has less salience for Mr. Biden. Progressives think Mr. Trump’s personal unpopularity offers a unique chance to win the White House with an agenda that yanks the country to the left.

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All of which confronts Democrats with a dilemma not unlike the one Republicans faced four years ago in Mr. Trump. Their panic is already palpable, yet who can they rally behind as the alternative?

Mr. Biden finished fourth in Iowa and might be the collateral damage of Nancy Pelosi’s impeachment missile. She aimed at Mr. Trump and hit Uncle Joe. Mr. Buttigieg is rising in New Hampshire and could become the default non-socialist alternative. But he’s a 38-year-old former small-city mayor who hasn’t attracted much African-American support.

Mr. Bloomberg is pouring hundreds of millions into ads in March 3 primary states, but what if his main contribution is to siphon votes from Mr. Buttigieg, or Mr. Biden if he’s still running? Democrats also have to worry about appearing to conspire to deny Mr. Sanders the nomination, alienating his supporters whom they will need to win in November.

Republicans will be tempted to cheer, thinking Mr. Trump would trounce Mr. Sanders. Some GOP officials in South Carolina, the Charleston Post and Courier reports, plan to urge Republicans to vote for Bernie in the state’s open primary. This is playing with fire.

Mr. Sanders is beating Mr. Trump in most head-to-head polls in key states, and simply labeling him a socialist won’t be enough. In this politically volatile age, the impossible can soon become inevitable. Ask the Democrats who rejoiced when the GOP nominated Mr. Trump.
Title: Sanders calls for end to cash bail nationwide
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 08, 2020, 11:16:14 AM
second

OTOH there is this

https://nypost.com/2020/02/07/bernie-sanders-calls-for-nationwide-end-to-cash-bail-during-democratic-debate/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
Title: my prediction for dem candidate '20
Post by: ccp on February 08, 2020, 04:03:39 PM
!).butti. most likely

2) mini mike

Or

2) the guy who always sounds like he has mouth full of pastrami every time he speaks

(. depending if, " the hate the rich crowd  free shit crowd" wins over "the establishment in the swamp loop crats ")
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 08, 2020, 10:47:46 PM
Buttgig is 7% RCP nationwide.  Many states will not be friendly.

Bloomie is 10% wide and climbing.  Listened to his campaign manager this morning on FOX.  The guy is crisp.  The message is crisp-- for the Dem vote.

Sandernista will win NH, but subsequent states may not be as easy.

Prediction:  Brokered convention.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: G M on February 09, 2020, 01:47:06 AM
I wonder if someone is lurking in the shadows, waiting for a brokered convention...

Buttgig is 7% RCP nationwide.  Many states will not be friendly.

Bloomie is 10% wide and climbing.  Listened to his campaign manager this morning on FOX.  The guy is crisp.  The message is crisp-- for the Dem vote.

Sandernista will win NH, but subsequent states may not be as easy.

Prediction:  Brokered convention.
Title: predictions
Post by: ccp on February 09, 2020, 04:42:44 AM
Crafty:  ".Buttgig is 7% RCP nationwide.  Many states will not be friendly."

oh,
 well few weeks back I was picking Warren to win.    :-o

GM:  "I wonder if someone is lurking in the shadows, waiting for a brokered convention..."

yup.  she and her mob are just drooling for that "right moment". "never say never".
Title: Forked Tongue Lizzie to skip AIPAC conference
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 09, 2020, 05:57:24 AM


https://www.jpost.com/American-Politics/Elizabeth-Warren-says-she-will-skip-the-AIPAC-conference-616898
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on February 09, 2020, 06:55:17 AM
warren looks bad now

what a few weeks or months can make

she has to hope Bern keels over.

when she drops out ( if ever) I assume most of hers will go to bern (?)

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on February 09, 2020, 08:56:27 AM
She... 'is lurking in the shadows, waiting for a brokered convention'.   (from Bloomberg thread)

She... is the most popular woman in Democratic politics over the last 12 years, maybe ever.

She... wrote a memoir that sold 10 million copies last year.

She... was first lady of the United States. 

She... Is Michelle Obama.
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Seriously:  The first job of the 'brokered convention' is for losing candidates to concede and get behind the leading candidates.  Put the one who was leading going in over the top and unite, not negate the voice of the primary voters.  If getting behind number one is not possible, nominate the one who is everyone's second choice. I don't see how they unite behind someone who was not one of the top 3 going in.  Really, it needs to to be the leading vote-getter or they won't be unified.

Will Bernie voters be satisfied if he is the leader from all the primaries and Hillary is anointed?  Ha!  It would be more like civil war. 

They will fight in Milwaukee.  Then Trump will carry Wisconsin.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election - New Hampshire
Post by: DougMacG on February 10, 2020, 07:01:38 AM
NH primary tomorrow.  No one knows what to think of it. 

"Trump's opponent in the general election" Joe Biden is running fifth?

Klobuchar is passing up Biden and Warren, but already lost her lane to Buttigieg.

Bloomberg is not on the ballot.  Ummm, "MURKOWSKY" won her statewide race with a write-in.  New Hampshirers can't spell "Bloomberg"??  Mini-Mike couldn't afford the entry fee, didn't know the deadline?  Is too clever by half?

All except those leading in NH have declared that NH doesn't matter.

Bernie leads.  Buttigieg already declared victory. Thinking of Butti, there's this:

"The only people who think that real world experience doesn't matters are those who never had real world experience." - @nntaleb

Suffolk: Sanders 27, Buttigieg 19, Klobuchar 14, Warren 12, Biden 12
Emerson: Sanders 30, Buttigieg 23, Klobuchar 14, Warren 11, Biden 10
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Black voters
Post by: DougMacG on February 10, 2020, 09:55:39 AM
If Trump gets even 20% of the black vote in swing states such as Michigan, Florida, and Pennsylvania, then Democrats will simply have no path to victory.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/democrats-should-be-very-afraid-of-trumps-powerful-pitch-to-black-voters
Title: Politico: New Electoral Map
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 10, 2020, 10:25:07 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/07/election-2020-new-electoral-map-110496?utm_source=pocket&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pockethits
Title: Re: Politico: New Electoral Map
Post by: DougMacG on February 10, 2020, 11:11:07 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/07/election-2020-new-electoral-map-110496?utm_source=pocket&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pockethits

Good article, considering their slant.

"a “Blue Wall,” a term applied to a northern tier of 18 states, stretching from coast to coast, that appeared to provide a structural advantage for a Democratic nominee."

The 'Blue Wall' was the 242 electoral vote count they thought they had locked up before they started, back when they loved the electoral college - and the constitution that defines it.  They only needed 28 more electoral votes to win.

Nate Silver, 2015:  https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/there-is-no-blue-wall/  There is no Blue Wall
"when commentators talk about the Democrats’ “blue wall,” all they’re really pointing out is that Democrats have had a pretty good run in presidential elections lately (2015)... The Electoral College just isn’t worth worrying about much... Clinton is no sort of lock, and if she loses the popular vote by even a few percentage points, the “blue wall” will seem as archaic as talk of a permanent Republican majority."

Or if her popular vote victory comes all from one state she already won.
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Trump will win MN IF he wins a 2% improvement from suburban voters, suburban women.  But if he wins MN, he has already won IA, WI, MI, OH, PA, FL, NC etc the House, the Senate and an easy reelection.
Title: 2020 Presidential, Biden ad rips Butti
Post by: DougMacG on February 11, 2020, 08:03:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=P3beFOnjBoE&feature=emb_logo

Trump could really do something with this.
Title: Dems reject Soleimani hit
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 11, 2020, 12:56:57 PM
https://clarionproject.org/buttigieg-sanders-biden-oppose-hit-soleimani/?utm_source=Clarion+Project+Newsletter&utm_campaign=3fad784072-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_02_11_11_19&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_60abb35148-3fad784072-6358189&mc_cid=3fad784072
Title: Trump sucking up to the big four
Post by: ccp on February 12, 2020, 05:13:39 AM
before the election

suddenly they are all friends. he looks like he is kissing their asses

what is going on .  Who is playing whom?  surely there is maneuvering going on .

weird:


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/11/trump-heaps-praise-on-trillion-dollar-tech-club-calling-four-big-companies-maga.html
Title: Klobuchar
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 12, 2020, 11:25:29 AM
https://patriotpost.us/articles/68531-is-klobuchars-momentum-real?mailing_id=4860&utm_medium=email&utm_source=pp.email.4860&utm_campaign=digest&utm_content=body
Title: Re: Klobuchar
Post by: DougMacG on February 12, 2020, 01:36:02 PM
https://patriotpost.us/articles/68531-is-klobuchars-momentum-real?mailing_id=4860&utm_medium=email&utm_source=pp.email.4860&utm_campaign=digest&utm_content=body


From the article:
"Klobuchar “is campaigning for an economy-destroying policy of net-zero emissions by 2050 and a ‘more robust public option’ in healthcare. In other words, socialized medicine.” She also supports eliminating the Electoral College, ending offshore oil drilling, and banning semiautomatic rifles." “It is a testament to how far left the Democrat Party has veered that Klobuchar could be considered a centrist.

Even The Washington Post admits that “every major Democratic candidate is running on an agenda to the left of [Barack] Obama’s.” That includes Klobuchar.


   - Precisely.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on February 12, 2020, 03:08:01 PM
NH:  Sanders, Buttigieg, Klobuchar

Yang out, Michael Bennett out, Deval Patrick out. Steyer out. Only 5 people have won any delegates.  It would seem that Warren is out too having lost in both lanes and no path forward.  I guess it depends on how much money she has left and how best to time the humility of admitting failure.  She really thought she was going somewhere.
                                                                                       
Biden also should drop out.  We'll see if his lead holds up in SC.  Isn't he already out of money?

If Biden fails, none of the remaining have any appeal to the "black and brown" people.  [I hate those grouping.  They aren't hyphenated-voters; they are voters.]

I didn't agree that Bloomberg would catch on.  The importance of NYC is )IMO) between small and contrary indicator in the heartland and he's wrong on the issues.  But it is now a race with none of the above winning so why not Mike?   (

I listened more carefully to a Bloomberg spot today.  It all sounds so good, a really dynamic narrator tells you how great this man is for most of the minute.  Then a monotone, aging, uncharismatic candidate says a couple of sentences in his own words, negating all the excitement.  Let's get that narrator in the race!

Sanders is the vote leader after two states, getting 25% of the vote.  The not-Sanders vote looks to be 75%.  If Warren drops or gets any more irrelevant, that could move to 30-70 with the 70 split between Butti, Biden, Bloomberg and Klob-mentum.  Will one of these set themselves apart?  So far that one is Butti, but it is 2 states of 50 and he is just starting to face resistance.  Much more to come.
Title: A student butti
Post by: ccp on February 12, 2020, 04:03:37 PM
saw him speaking in suit and VERY Obamanesque

he surely is copying the "one".  another slickster - not fooling anyone but he knows the media will cover for him.

Funny how the Wall street people who have no problem with socialism and big government controlling all of OUR lives
suddenly a scared at the prospect of Sanders - who would love to steal THEIR money are suddenly decrying "socialism"

to think they run to butti or napolean
to save their fortunes
Title: 2020 Presidential election, The Sanders Ceiling? The Sanders Trap
Post by: DougMacG on February 13, 2020, 06:41:34 AM
(Doug) "Sanders is the vote leader after two states, getting 25% of the vote.  The not-Sanders vote looks to be 75%.  If Warren drops... that could move to 30-70 with the 70 split between [the others]."

Also leading nationwide with about 25%.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

Political analyst Sean Trende calls it the Sanders Ceiling:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/02/12/takeaways_from_new_hampshire_142376.html

I think it's the Sanders Trap.  Think of AOC and the people who love her (and Bernie).  People get all excited with all this anger at the very basic foundations of our society  (fruits of your labor, private property, work hard get ahead).  They don't just come down from that when someone else is (wrongly) nominated, turn on a dime and say ok, now we back Butti or Mini-Mike with a smile on their face.

Sanders could win Nevada, win California big time and win many other states with his clear message of tear it all down, while these others get tangled up with each other with their slick, pretend moderation.  His 25-30% ceiling might be 40% of the delegates at the convention.  (Candidates getting below 15% in a state receive no delegates.) 

If Sanders is the leader coming into the convention, either they nominate him and drive away the moderates, or they step over him (again) and drive away the radicals.  Which will it be?

Defeating Trump is what unites them?  Not when what is stopping them is the establishment of their own party.

The big Academia-Media complex created and fueled all this Leftism, especially in young people.  The rich are making you poor and the world is going to end!  Now they have no idea how to rein it in and defeat Trump and the Republicans with a sensible centrist.
Title: The little shit is worse than Soros
Post by: ccp on February 15, 2020, 08:32:05 AM
think she would accept  :wink:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/02/15/rumor-mill-clinton-may-be-coming-back-to-the-election-stage-as-a-vp-pick-n2561378

rejected 3 times by voters
so give her mob the nod this way.

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 15, 2020, 10:58:40 AM
Bllomie-Hillary would be a very formidable ticket-- not to be taken lightly!

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/02/14/poll-michael-bloomberg-polling-ahead-of-joe-biden-in-florida/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=best_of_the_week&utm_campaign=20200215
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: G M on February 15, 2020, 09:24:56 PM
Bllomie-Hillary would be a very formidable ticket-- not to be taken lightly!

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/02/14/poll-michael-bloomberg-polling-ahead-of-joe-biden-in-florida/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=best_of_the_week&utm_campaign=20200215

If Hillary is his VP, Bloomie better hope he doesn't win.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on February 16, 2020, 09:52:35 AM
".Bllomie-Hillary would be a very formidable ticket-- not to be taken lightly!"

Of course it would be .
that is why it is all over the news.

The entire Wall Street est. , DNC media complex with control of the media and 90% of the propaganda of this country
 
and Clinton's political machine back in business ....

This will sweep butti away
and it probably will sweep aside the Sanders Warren wing, as the money crowd SUDDENLY is worried about socialism now that it could hurt their asses and not just the little people they know what is best for.

One thing I find odd

How come no mention of the stereotype "rich Jew" controlling the country?

No mention he would be first Jewish Prez.  Odd.



Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on February 16, 2020, 11:29:02 AM
America's reaction to Clintons back on the national scene:
https://youtu.be/BPlsqo2bk2M
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on February 16, 2020, 12:28:58 PM
"One thing I find odd
How come no mention of the stereotype "rich Jew" controlling the country?
No mention he would be first Jewish Prez.  Odd.
---------

Waiting patiently for the Bloomberg endorsements from Omar and Tlaib.  Warren rails against people like Bloomberg too, (without calling them Jews).  There is going to be a very strong anti-Mike movement in the Dem party rising with his numbers. 

Gays, blacks, Jews, Muslims, Billionaires and the welfare crowd all in the same party.  Teachers unions stopping choice and people demanding school choice  - all together.  Moderates and radicals all coming together.  What could possibly go wrong?  Milwaukee 2020, here we come.

AOC does support a "rich Jew" for President, Bernie Sanders.  It's okay for far-Left to support a rich (non-observant?) Jew as long as they support the destruction of the Israeli state  (and the American economy).
Title: Latins for Bernie
Post by: ccp on February 18, 2020, 06:43:16 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/18/national-latino-group-endorses-bernie-sanders-115712

Of course the all flood over here in the last 30 yrs
now want the rest of us to pay for their "free" benefits

who would have guessed?

wonder if the DEms have noticed?
wonder if the repubs and their business backers have noticed or care?
Title: Re: Latins for Bernie
Post by: DougMacG on February 18, 2020, 08:41:13 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/18/national-latino-group-endorses-bernie-sanders-115712

Of course the all flood over here in the last 30 yrs
now want the rest of us to pay for their "free" benefits

who would have guessed?

wonder if the DEms have noticed?
wonder if the repubs and their business backers have noticed or care?


https://outline.com/9qYsWE
 The Atlantic › February 17, 2020
Latino Support for Trump Is Real
Kristian Ramos
... When Democrats reach out to Latino voters, they are too focused on immigration, and say too little about other issues these voters prioritize. If they want to win over enough Latino votes to retake the White House, Democrats must continue to fight for the immigrant community, but they must also offer a positive, aspirational narrative that embraces Latinos as a vibrant part of America.
-----------------------------

I would rather win the voters than support of the radical group leaders.

One party offers you welfare and free stuff if you stay poor enough to qualify.  The other party just brought you the lowest unemployment rate in history and the best wage growth in a generation.

The author (a concerned Dem) estimates that Dems need to 70% of the Hispanic vote to win and they are not getting that.
Title: 2020 Presidential election, Nevada Dem Debate is tomorrow
Post by: DougMacG on February 18, 2020, 09:26:05 AM
Dem party division is rthe agenda for tomorrow.  The nice phase of this contest is over. 

Mini-Mike is the newcomer and he is not going to be popular with the other contestants, trying to buy his way in, and he can't talk with his announcer's voice in the debate.  Mike of stop and frisk fame.  'I'll "Xerox" you a copy of what a young black male looks like and you take away their rights.'  Explain THAT!  He's an old-time sexual harasser (allegedly), sick of female employees getting pregnant and taking time off work.  None of that will come up?

This looks like it will be a can't win battle for all participants.

How about Bernie, the frontrunner.  If you are Mike or Butti or Klob, you can't just let him run away with it, but as you attack him you are moving yourself away from his supporters that you need to win back if your attack is successful.  No win situation so you divide first and worry about the consequences later.  A number of these people are going to be irrelevant after 'super-Tuesday if they don't make a move. 

So you go with far-Left-lite, like the 'red-diaper baby'.  But if far-Left is the benchmark, then Bernie is best and lighter is weaker.

If you are Mike, your only strength is to be the real Mike Bloomberg, not the pretend one from his ads.  The real Mike would be a perfect candidate for the John Kasich, David French, Bill Krystal wing of the Democratic party - of which there is none.  Instead he will work to be what his ads say he is, extreme on abortion - same as all the rest, strongest on ending gun rights - same as everyone else, and "get it done" whatever that means.

FYI to Mike, money didn't win in 2016.

"YOU DIDN"T BUILD THAT!" is Elizabeth Warren's line and it applies to all of them except Bloomer, but he is the one they will aim it against.  Amy, Pete, Bernie, Biden, Liz, you haven't built anything, ever - and you want to run against a builder!  What Mike built (8th riches man in the world?) is all about Wall Street making more money and from their point of view is a disqualifier, not an accomplishment.

Romney couldn't defend capitalism or his role in it in a Republican primary.  How is Mike going to do it with a far Left audience?  He can't.  All he can try to do is apologize for what he achieved.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 18, 2020, 12:30:36 PM
*Going to be very interesting how Bloomie/Napoleon does in the debate.

*His poll numbers continue to rise strongly.

*Do not underestimate the mercenary instincts of the Dem political class.

*Frankly I am underwhelmed when Reps focus on Dem hypocrisy on Stop & Frisk, Redlining, etc.  Trump is on the record for supporting stop & frisk, and government intervention in anti-redlining WAS an important variable in the housing bubble/collapse.

Regarding Stop & Frisk, Rudy was on FOX this morning and he made some interesting but too nuanced for public comprehension distinctions e.g. Under Rudy, the S&F were "Stop, Question, & Frisk" based upon citizen complaints-- which were overwhelmingly black and Latino generated-- and that per the requirements of the Terry stop, the stops were not random, and the searches required QUESTIONS which triggered answers that met the requirements for articulable basis for search.  Rudy asserted that Bloomie blew these distinctions off and that searches went up many fold.

IMHO the better attack over time will be things such Bloomie's pro-China policies.



Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on February 18, 2020, 12:52:44 PM
Yes, my point on Stop and Frisk is that a) this will not unite his side, and b) the reckless way he talked about it should end his chances, offensive to all.   And what is this apology crap; is he proud of his record or running from it?

Good point about Rudy and the distinction.  My understanding was they enforced the little crimes, ticketing litterers, and that led to a drop in major crimes, even if cause and effect are not proven.  Looking for people who just look young, black and male to bother is offensive to all races.  White libertarians believe in a right to be left alone too, for all.  In my inner city neighborhoods some people just toss whole their fast food waste out the door or window into the street.  Going after some of that might lead LE to people who also do much worse.

Trump has many other things to talk about, school choice, wage growth, record unemployment, pro-life and a lot of  things that benefit everyone.
Title: The Most Important Campaign Document of 2020
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 20, 2020, 07:47:13 PM
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/02/the-most-important-campaign-document-of-2020.php
Title: Noonan on the debate
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 20, 2020, 07:54:33 PM
second

The Best Democratic Debate in Years
Veteran candidates were on fire and at the top of their game. Can newcomer Mike Bloomberg recover?

By Peggy Noonan
Feb. 20, 2020 7:10 pm ET
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Mike Bloomberg at the Democratic debate in Las Vegas, Feb. 19.
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If you love national politics and follow it closely, there’s always the debate you imagine in your head and the one that later happens on the screen. Before Wednesday’s Democratic debate I made a list of the bare, bottom-line message I thought each candidate had to deliver.

Mike Bloomberg: You can stomach me.

Bernie Sanders : You can stomach socialism.

I tried to imagine how each would deliver it. For Mr. Bloomberg: I’m a businessman. I was mayor of New York. I am a liberal in every way but I’m not insane. I’ve got the resources to meet and surpass Donald Trump’s fundraising powerhouse. I’m not fancy and I’m no poet, but I can lead and I can win. You’re right I can’t buy the nomination. That’s why I’m here on the trail every day, asking for your support. His affect: up for the battle, happy to be in the fight.

For Mr. Sanders: You know there’s something wrong with the economic system and has been a long time. The inequality is wild, the injustice all around us—you can feel it, and it’s cowardice to say there’s nothing we can do about it. In his affect: I’m the last lion. You know my roar and you know something else—I have the power of the man who means it.

This is how it unfolded:

It was hands down the best presidential primary debate of the cycle and maybe in decades. It was riveting. The veterans on stage were on fire and at the top of their game.

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It is being called a very bad night for Mike Bloomberg. It was not. It was a catastrophe. The only question is whether it is recoverable. Can he turn it around in the debate next week, and after? Is it possible to recover from a night so bad?

The mystery is the surprise of it. What were the mayor and his aides and advisers, professionals of high caliber, thinking? He was on mute and seemed not to anticipate what was coming. Maybe they were thinking: Play against type, don’t be the entitled billionaire, shrug it off, let the others exhaust themselves with their tiny fisticuffs. In the end you’ll be the last grownup standing. If that was the strategy they mistook the moment. The Democratic base was meeting him, either for the first time or in a new way, and he had to engage and win them over.

They also mistook the challengers, who were angry as hell. “Who is this guy to buy a party?” Bloomberg strategists think he has to kill Bernie now, before Super Tuesday. But all the other candidates think they have to kill Mike now, before he makes a good impression. So there was going to be blood. You have to wade in, in a human way, and throw and take punches. No one’s above it all.

There’s a bigger, more important mystery.

Surely the former mayor and his men and women understood this: Through Mr. Bloomberg’s longtime targeted philanthropy, through his relationships, quiet alliances, generosities and personal loyalties, he has a lot of leaders—mayors, other local politicians, people who run museums and civic organizations, who speak for ethnic, racial and professional groups—who support him. But those leaders don’t fully control their own followers and constituencies. Everyone who’s a leader of any kind now is in crisis: They don’t have a complete hold on their people, and wind up following them as often as leading them.

The followers and constituencies—they want to be won over; they want to back you as much as the boss does, but you have to give them the rationale of a solid performance. You have to give your leaders and influential friends cover with a good performance. Mr. Bloomberg didn’t do that.

Bad news/long-shot good news: It was the worst performance in recent debate history—but if he can turn it around it will be the biggest comeback in modern primary history.

What should he do now? From our Department of Unasked-For Advice: Show candor and humility. Admit he blew it and ask for another chance. His competitors were good and he was unprepared. “I tanked and I’m asking for another look, I’ll see you next week.”

To me, Elizabeth Warren won the night. She was good, hot and sharp right out of the box. Standing next to Mr. Bloomberg she tried to freak him out by constantly shooting up her arm to speak, almost waving it in his face and getting in his psychic space. It was as if she was saying, “You nap, buddy, while I show you who’s in charge. Go play possum and see how it works with Sugar Ray.”

Ms. Warren is a bit of a mystery too—a great political athlete whose candidacy the past six months lost steam. But she is a highly disciplined performer and she has thought it through. She took off the table the issue of what the female candidate wears by wearing the same uniform each day, like a guy. She took hairdos off the table by having one and never changing it. She took her age off the table by having more energy than a 40-year-old on Adderall. I always thought she’d slip into the space between Bernie the socialist and the moderates, hold on and rise. That she’d be a lefty but a less doctrinaire one. Then she fell into banning private health insurance and suddenly was doctrinaire. And if you want doctrinaire why not pick the real thing, the socialist?

But Wednesday night she was full of fight, tricky and full of mind games. At one point she dodged a question on banning health insurance by accusing her competitors of dodging specifics on their plans. She got away with it. That’s talent! She slammed Amy Klobuchar one minute and rescued her the next. She was playing everybody. It was kind of fabulous. Someone on Twitter caught her essence: “She shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.”

Mr. Sanders was alive, forceful, Bernie-esque. He did nothing to harm himself with his followers, if that is possible, and tried hard to make himself look inevitable.

Joe Biden came alive. Mr. Bloomberg got his Irish up. Or maybe columns like this one, saying he’s over. Anyway his Hibernian was heightened and his performance was “Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.” We nod with respect.

Pete Buttigieg made a mistake in patronizing Ms. Klobuchar for forgetting the name of Mexico’s president. “Are you trying to say I’m dumb? Are you mocking me here, Pete?” He lectured a senator who is a generation older than he, more accomplished and a woman. It revealed a certain Eddie Haskell smarm. Later, she said to him: “You’ve memorized a bunch of talking points.” It was like Chris Christie going at Marco Rubio.

The Democratic race is better with Mike Bloomberg in it. The party’s got to have that fight about socialism and start it now, however long it takes. But he and his people had better get serious. It’s not only a money game, politics, it is a human game.

But the debate was a reminder: You never know what’s going to happen. You make your guess but you never know.

The surprise of politics—it’s a thing that can still make you feel romantic about it.
Title: Mona for Amy
Post by: ccp on February 21, 2020, 06:17:55 AM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/02/amy-klobuchar-sane-centrist-democrat-party-only-hope/

I think Doug would have something to say about Amy being best
and a solid "centrist" midwesterner who wins by double digits
whose only flaw is she is tough on her staff.

 :-P
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 21, 2020, 07:39:56 AM
She also seems to rattle pretty easily.  I could swear she was about to cry at one point in the debate, and indulges in sexism tropes even as she goes damsel in distress.  She let Wife Pete interrupt her repeatedly and throw her off stride.  Trump would have put his palm in Wife Pete's face and told him "Quiet!"
Title: Re: Mona for Amy
Post by: DougMacG on February 21, 2020, 09:47:51 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/02/amy-klobuchar-sane-centrist-democrat-party-only-hope/

I think Doug would have something to say about Amy being best
and a solid "centrist" midwesterner who wins by double digits
whose only flaw is she is tough on her staff.

 :-P

I am traveling with some centrist midwesterners , non-Trumpers and there is a general liking of Amy among them.  One, a CEO, preferss Bloomberg, a Bloomberg-Buttigieg ticket.  I think she is not centrist but right where the Pelosi-Reid party was when she was first elected in 2006, at the peak of the economy owning her share of bringing it down.  She is centrist compared to Stalin, Mao and Sanders but you wouldn't think any of those would be elected to anything in the US.

I wouldn't say "she is tough on her staff".  More like she is a b*tch, female version of a**hole, one of those people who treats people badly when she thinks the cameras are off, meaning her public personna is phony and that will someday show through.

I don't expect her to be of much significance through the rest of the primaries but we will see.  Her 'success' so far is a reflection of the fact no one else running is catching on.  She is on the short list for VPs depending on who the eventual nominee is.

She has not accomplished anything I know of before or after the federal pool drain safety law of 2007.
http://www.startribune.com/senate-oks-pool-drain-safety-bill/12515736/
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" indulges in sexism tropes even as she goes damsel in distress."

Yes, she is trying to play the gender card for all its worth, not exactly gender neutral.  Yet it's not okay to say a man should be President, go figure.

"I could swear she was about to cry at one point in the debate"

Mayor Pete called her out for not knowing who the President of Mexico is and not having anything of substance to answer about US Mexico policy.  I'm guessing that was the moment.  She couldn't deny the charge so she said, 'Pete, are you calling me dumb?'  Awkward moment for sure.

"...who wins by double digits."  She is not going to win this year for President by double digits, she beat a nice schoolteacher for Senate, not Trump, and no one outside MN will vote for her just because her father wrote local stories in the monopoly star and sickle newspaper in the 1900s.

Back to my Midwestern friends who like Amy, oddly they all are sure Trump will win.  That is real change from 2016 when no Democrats thought that.
Title: To me a "centrist" means leftist
Post by: ccp on February 22, 2020, 08:05:47 AM
".centrist midwesterners , non-Trumpers and there is a general liking of Amy among them.  One, a CEO, preferss Bloomberg, a Bloomberg-Buttigieg ticket."

I have no idea what the description "centrist " means anymore

To me a centrist Democrat is one who does not believe in overt socialism and states they believe in capitalism
though with huge regulations, transfer of wealth and PC being enforced, and many other controls over how we live

A far left candidate is AOC or Sanders or Warren who hate capitalism in all its forms.

A centrist Republican is one who is for big government like the  Bushes, compromise (giving in to the LEFT). and mostly a capitalist with  tax 'control',
  but loves immigration for the business crowd and to at least some degree  if not a large degree a globalist.
  And of course a Trump hater .

To me they are all libs and call themselves 'centrist ' in name only *CINO*s.
They can label themselves Republicans but to me they are not .  They are leftist who want to preserve their wealth but could give a rats ass about the average person's 'wealth'.

I can surely understand disliking Trumps antics as i do but I don't get how one can then turn around and vote for a Democrat for THAT reason.
Trump is still the ONLY ONE who stands up to the left .


Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 22, 2020, 10:18:07 AM
Indeed.  And note the Boombug got into the race only after Forked Tongue Lizzy went on the warpath with her wealth confiscation tax.
Title: Klobuchar and AMLO
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 22, 2020, 11:16:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn78mHiYvP4
Title: Re: Klobuchar and AMLO
Post by: G M on February 22, 2020, 06:52:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn78mHiYvP4

Oh boy! Can you imagine how her staff got screamed at after that debacle...
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 23, 2020, 01:51:33 PM
https://www.westernjournal.com/dick-morris-bloomberg-clinton-conspiracy-shaft-bernie/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=deepsix&utm_content=2020-02-22&utm_campaign=can
Title: Slow Joe now running for Senate
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 25, 2020, 12:21:41 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/joe-biden-speech-senate-south-carolina-democratic-primary-video-election-2020-a9356366.html
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 26, 2020, 01:54:37 PM
second post

https://www.jns.org/democratic-presidential-candidate-klobuchar-to-skip-aipac-annual-conference/
Title: Morris: Don't rule out Hillary
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 27, 2020, 09:39:11 AM
http://www.dickmorris.com/is-hillary-coming-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on February 27, 2020, 02:31:24 PM
"Morris: Don't rule out Hillary"

not until she is dead AND buried.
Title: Smoke signals predict end to Forked Tongue Lizzy's Campaign Trail of Tears
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 28, 2020, 02:19:44 PM
The End of Elizabeth Warren?
 
On the menu today: The end is in sight for Elizabeth Warren’s campaign, David Brooks desperately tries to wave Democrats away from a critical error, and the mainstream media finally finds the coronavirus scary in a particular context.
The End of Elizabeth Warren’s Campaign Is Near
Is it too harsh to say that this has become Elizabeth Warren’s campaign trail . . . of tears? Polling suggests she’s on the verge of pulling a Marco Rubio — losing her home state to the frontrunner:
The poll shows Sanders is the choice of 25 percent of likely Democratic-primary voters, while Warren is in second place with 17 percent. The former mayors, Pete Buttigieg and Michael Bloomberg, are in a virtual tie for third at 14 percent and 13 percent, respectively. Former vice president Joe Biden rounds out the top five at 9 percent.
The Sanders campaign must be drooling at the prospect of that outcome — 91 delegates and Sanders would get the vast majority, with Buttigieg, Bloomberg, and Biden below the 15 percent threshold to win delegates. (Some will be allocated by who wins each congressional district, so the under-15 candidates could get one here and there.)
Title: Divining Russian Meddling Intentions
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 28, 2020, 05:45:57 PM
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/election-mirage-why-claims-russian-meddling-should-be-questioned-127992
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, South Carolina
Post by: DougMacG on March 01, 2020, 07:51:42 AM
Biden 48.4%
Sanders 19.9%
Steyer, 3rd place, dropped out.
Warren, Buttigieg, Klobuchar in single digits. No delegates.  Bloomberg at 0.
Where is the write-in demand for Bloomberg?  Without advertising, do entire states not know he is running?

I give credit to Biden for beating the margin of the polling and credit to Democrats that turnout was better than expected.  Bernie still won the younger vote.  Biden won the black vote.

Super Tuesday is in 2 days:
Who wins and who drops out on Tuesday?  Looks like Bernie will win.  Warren, Butti, and Klob are mostly irrelevant, and maybe Bloomberg too if he can't win big states.  We will see.  Dropping out comes down to money or not seeing a path.  Warren is a fighter, but if she has no delegates, what is the point?  Klobuchar does not have a serious national organisation or appeal.  She may win her home state MN only.  That puts her on a VP short list for somebody, best case.  She should focus on that.  Butti has money but if he under-performs (again) Tuesday, he is fighting for 3rd or 4th place?  Bloomberg will drop out if Super Tuesday flops for him.  That was the bet he made.  Tougher decision for him if he wins one or two states.  Biden will stay in if he wins Texas in hope of winning the south after that.
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Latest national polling, Fox and Morning Consult:
Sanders 31, Biden 18, Bloomberg 16, Warren 10, Buttigieg 12, Klobuchar 5
Sanders 33, Biden 21, Bloomberg 17, Warren 11, Buttigieg 10, Klobuchar 4

15% in a state needed to win any delegates.
Title: Trump on a rampage
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 01, 2020, 08:53:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=v7OXE2AEalg&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 01, 2020, 09:21:47 AM
FWIW my assessment:

Big win for Slo Joe and it may dent Sandernista's Big Mo, but ultimately it is not  clear to me that Slo Joe has the ground game for Tuesday.  His senility will continue and this moment in the sun for him will serve mostly to increase the likelihood of a brokered convention.

The big question is how Boombug does on Tuesday, and his three minute "Oval Office" address released today may be pivotal.  We've been having big fun with how Forked Tongue Lizzy scalped him, but today's clip seeks to brand him as "I may not be a debater,  but I'm a proven doer"-- and he DOES have a real track record of executive skill both in the public and private sectors. 

As SJ's dementia proceeds, some of the pros and the whores (same thing?) of the Dem Party may decide he is all they got.  After all, he pays really well.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on March 02, 2020, 06:38:55 AM
A lot will change after tomorrow.   Polls have been partly right on trends but very wrong  on numbers.
Here are summaries of the contests in the 14 states:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/485388-democratic-candidates-gear-up-for-a-dramatic-super-tuesday

Sanders leads in most, could win them all.  Amy could win home state MN.  Warren could win home state Mass. Let's hope they both do.  Biden could win a couple of southern states.  DC suburb Virginia is up for grabs, maybe Mike's big chance.  Also Colorado where he should just pay the voters directly, he is spending so much.

I hope to see Mike's money fail.  One small gaffe lately, commenting on his contribution to the Democratic House victory in 2018 he said, 'I bought those 40 seats'.  What?  I think a lot of Democrats would like to see Bloomberg's money fail too.

If they are able to count the votes, Tues night and Wed morning we will know a lot more.  I am pulling for a Sanders lead and a divided field.  Klob will drop out.  Warren should and either Bloomberg or Biden, whoever does worse.
Title: Liz to the rescue
Post by: ccp on March 02, 2020, 08:08:09 AM
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/elizabeth-warren-coronavirus-plan_n_5e5cb3c2c5b6010221136780

forced paid leave of course
everything for "free"

Title: Re: Liz to the rescue
Post by: DougMacG on March 02, 2020, 08:36:54 AM
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/elizabeth-warren-coronavirus-plan_n_5e5cb3c2c5b6010221136780

forced paid leave of course
everything for "free"

Yes. "I have a plan for that."  Protect the economy by stopping it.  It's all noise in the room but she did get a story and a headline on the eve of her final downfall.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 02, 2020, 10:42:55 AM
Klobuchar is out.  Sensible call!
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on March 02, 2020, 04:06:15 PM
Klobuchar is out.  Sensible call!

Isn't that strange.  Now she's competing with Pete for a VP spot?  She was slower by a few hours to drop out but quicker to endorse Biden.  Will Butti endorse Boombug?  Warren endorse Bernie??  Who wants that Bernie VP spot anyway? AOC is ineligible and Gus Hall is dead.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Super Tuesday, Bloomberg drops out tonight?
Post by: DougMacG on March 03, 2020, 11:26:40 AM
Bloomberg will drop out at the end of the day, IF Biden shows a resurgence, if Bernie wins big, or if Bloomberg cannot see a path to his own victory for any other reason, which is VERY likely to be the case in my not very reliable prediction.

If so, Bernie and Biden remain and Trump wins.
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Pundits ponder what was said to Butti and Klob to get them drop out and endorse Biden so suddenly.  My question is, who made that call.  Who has that kind of control behind the scenes.  Answer must be Obama.  But still, who makes that call with the credibility that he/she speaks for the former President and all the power behind the future careers of these young contestants? 

The argument to these second tier candidates is simple.  You won't be VP (or President ever) if Bernie wins and you won't be Biden's VP if you don't drop out now and endorse him.  You won't be Biden's Secretary of ANYTHING if Biden loses.  Butti needs a cabinet position or he is out of power.  Klob is a party person, a follower not a leader.  They both avoided the humiliation of seeing more dismal results, being blamed for the split and publicly pressured to drop out.

Too bad Republicans never have a person who could make a call and clear the field of people who can't win.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election Primary
Post by: DougMacG on March 03, 2020, 11:46:28 AM
I voted.  Very strange to go in and vote for one unopposed candidate and nothing else.  There were no other categories, not congress, state rep, not soil and water, nothing else.  The rest, I found out, are chosen in a separate primary in august.  MN didn't use to have a Presidential primary; now they want to be part of Super Tuesday and get the control away from the caucuses and activists.  With Klobuchar out, Sanders wins MN?  Results tonight?  Recount controversy coming?
Title: biden vs trump
Post by: ccp on March 03, 2020, 05:12:24 PM
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html
Title: Carville on Clyburn
Post by: ccp on March 04, 2020, 04:46:37 AM
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/03/03/carville-there-will-be-calls-for-sanders-to-exit-clyburn-saved-the-democratic-party/

All he did was save the wealthy Dems./the insiders/elites.

If Biden wins we still get the revolution - just packaged up as "democracy" and "centrist"
though for the rest of us mostly the same old Leftist stuff.
Title: Re: biden vs trump
Post by: DougMacG on March 04, 2020, 06:28:13 AM
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

I think this polling is defective but it certainly is strong reason to not ever be over-confidant between now and November.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on March 04, 2020, 06:29:25 AM
Dem Identity Politics:
(https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/DEMDIVERSITY-476x600.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Money rules?
Post by: DougMacG on March 04, 2020, 06:37:07 AM
In 2016, Clinton and her super-PACs raised a total of $1.2 billion.  Trump won the presidency despite having raised less than any major party presidential nominee since John McCain. 
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/

Now, Steyer and Bloomberg the candidate have failed despite spending unprecedented amounts.

Pete Buttigieg also set the race on fire with crazy levels of fundraising.

Bernie has the most donors and the most on the ground enthusiasts, yet he couldn't move the needle an inch in any state above the percentage we saw earlier.

GET THE MONEY OUT OF POLITICS - by letting these fools spend it until they are out.

None of that changed the underlying math.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on March 04, 2020, 07:04:04 AM
One more thought on Super Thursday, as winner Biden called it:

I was about to write just a couple days ago how stupid it was for Democrats to make the assumption in impeachment that Biden would be Trump's upcoming opponent. 

"Thanks Chuck, uh Chris, I just did Chris, I mean Chuck, I don't know how you do this so early"
“We hold these truths to be self-evident,” "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

What a difference a couple of days makes.  Biden's weaknesses haven't changed.   The party just decided they aren't going full Bernie or Bloombucks. 

The divided convention idea ended when Klob (dropped out) didn't win MN, Warren didn't win Mass and Bernie didn't win Texas. 

Biden even closed part of the gap in Calif.  Only weak spot I saw was Colorado.  Does Biden's weakness there mean anything in the general election?  Probably not.

So Democrats just put all their marbles on a guy who can't form a sentence much less speak in paragraphs.

Bring back the Lincoln Douglas debates.  Let's get the long form of what Joe Biden sees as the future for this country.

One more frontrunner observation, former Obama Defense Secretary Robert Gates:
"I think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades,” former Defense Secretary Robert Gates says of Vice President Joe Biden
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/01/robert-gates-thinks-joe-biden-hasnt-stopped-being-wrong-40-years/356785/
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/05/13/gates_stands_by_statement_that_biden_has_been_wrong_on_nearly_every_major_foreign_policy_question.html
Title: 2020 Presidential election, Bloomberg drops out
Post by: DougMacG on March 04, 2020, 07:45:28 AM
https://www.axios.com/mike-bloomberg-drops-out-027d9882-3e65-4663-aec0-70025387def6.html

Who will get his delegate won in American Somoa?

Who is next to drop out?  Did Warren over-sleep this morning?
Lessons from the pundits this morning:  With Warren's 3rd place finish in he home state of Mass, maybe Harvard professors don't fully have their finger on the pulse of the American people.  Also odd is that the elite intellectual Harvard professor was perhaps the 5th smartest person running in a dull field.

Tulsi is our last, best hope to save the Democrat Party.  I think she also won a delegate in American Somoa.  Okay, I don't know where that is.
Title: Biden Obama 2020 - Dems best bet
Post by: DougMacG on March 04, 2020, 08:28:20 AM
He needs to pick a black woman, right?  Biden is indebted to someone pulling strings behind the scenes.  Obviously it was the Obama machine.  Now they can name their prize.  Who gets less scrutiny than a VP candidate.  She would have a mostly free ride back the White House if Joe wins - if she wants that. 

All they need to do is say she is ready to govern every bit as well as Joe if something should happen to him - like senility on the first day.  She would be hardest for Trump to attack because people like her personally.  This already is a campaign of the current administration versus the previous.  They want to defend their record.  This would bring Barack back onto the stage - if he wants that.

Or the Obamas turn down the offer because it ties them to a loser and leaves their legacy fully removed and defeated.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on March 04, 2020, 08:39:30 AM
K. Harris , S  Abrams, or S. Rice

if he wants a black women

less likely M . Obama (only because she does not want to serve is less likely)
and or Oprah Winfrey
Title: Ready to govern on day one!
Post by: G M on March 04, 2020, 08:44:10 AM
https://freebeacon.com/politics/joe-biden-confuses-sister-for-wife/

Seems to happen a lot with the Biden family.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 04, 2020, 09:22:52 AM
Well, Ilhan Omar married her brother , , , :evil:
Title: Re: Ready to govern on day one!
Post by: DougMacG on March 04, 2020, 09:24:04 AM
https://freebeacon.com/politics/joe-biden-confuses-sister-for-wife/

Seems to happen a lot with the Biden family.

Too funny, if not so true.  Hunter slept with, then cheated on his dead brother's widow.  How does Thanksgiving go with this family.  Old Slow Joe can't count his grandchildren.  The new one out of wedlock doesn't count, didn't get the invite?  Tell that to the 72% of blacks born out of wedlock.  He doesn't know how many genders there are, trick gotcha question.  You can't make this stuff up.  Thanks Chuck, I mean Chris, Super Thursday was a great day, whenever it was.  You can't go into a dunkin' donuts without an Indian accent. 

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American [Barack Obama] who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that's a storybook, man."  - This was before dimentia?!  The mainstream blacks who came before Obama were dirty and ugly.  He worked with Carol Moseley Braun,  previous Senator from Illinois.  She smelled, talked in jive??  I didn't know that.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on March 04, 2020, 03:21:27 PM
Well the Democrat Party process has been a sight to behold.

So many jumped in partly because Joe Biden sucks.
Then when it became apparent the others sucked to

and Bernie Trotsky appeared to be ready to come out ahead by default the whole process was rigged to biden back -

to where they all started

Now they will elevate him to sainthood status  , all his dumb ass remarks will continue to written off as "good" ole plain Joe"
and we will be hearing about his compromise nature and working with the other side and that he is a centrist.

When that is the best one side can do that is what they do.

We accept Trump and over for him despite his personal issues........

The Dem establishment wins again .
They have a stranglehold on the minorities that is for sure.

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 04, 2020, 03:23:00 PM
THE BIG QUESTION:  Assuming he wins the nomination, who will be his veep pick?
Title: Uh oh , , ,
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 04, 2020, 03:50:05 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/01/29/joe-biden-says-hed-want-michelle-obama-to-be-his-running-mate/
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on March 04, 2020, 04:44:34 PM
well he has been saying that from day one
he would like her
that way the ONE will be back in business behind the scenes
telling slo joe what to do

in order to get the nation back on a socialist liberal Democrat Party agenda.

My guess from what I have seen of her she would rather live the life of a 1%. the wife of a saint.  (don't blame her )

then go thru the mill
Title: Joe's VP choice can't be predicted because there isn't a good one available
Post by: DougMacG on March 05, 2020, 06:37:28 PM
THE BIG QUESTION:  Assuming he wins the nomination, who will be his veep pick?

Yes, BIG.  Mark Steyn did a nice job of framing this question on the Rush show today.  The people who were all talking about 25th amendment on Trump a minute ago are now supporting Joe Biden for President.  Biden is clearly in worse shape than Trump and has already hinted about serving only one term if elected.  If the VP takes the Presidency past the midpoint in a term (he said), that person is still eligible for two more terms, 10 years as President.  The person that the party wants to follow Biden, if elected, needs to be the VP pick.  Democrats are hoping to set a 12 year course with this pick.

That rules out the other octogenarians. 

The easiest choices come from the vetting process of this Presidential race, but did anyone pass vetting?  Kamala Harris is the black woman in the bunch.  I would argue she failed the vetting on both background and skill.  Cory Booker is male, a negative, but darker in skin than Harris, can I say that?  He is sharper than Kamala but I think he lacked in likability.  Elizabeth Warren failed the Cherokee test and under-performed in every test except attacking Bloomberg.  Warren is a good age to be President now but maybe not on the 12 year plan. 

Amy and Buttigieg have enough youth to do it; Klob is late 50s and Butti barely eligible.  I see neither as the charismatic leader of the future.  Amy could be a possible VP pick for this year but doesn't bring the excitement of say, Ford, Dole, Mondale of Gore.  She has the gender, not the color.  She could (almost) be their do no harm candidate, although she was chased off the stage at her final rally by 'black lives matter' protesters.  Oops.  I wouldn't be surprised if Pete is given his choice of cabinet positions for dropping and endorsing the right candidate at the right time, maybe Secretary of State.  Picking him for VP gives them two white males on a ticket that needs to win a massive majority with so-called minorities.  Being gay doesn't change or help that IMO.

Weak field for President means a weak field for VP ready to become President.  From ccp's list:  "K. Harris , S  Abrams, or S. Rice".   We covered Harris and the next two have never won anything.  Both have high risks with known negatives.

Fun trying but I don't think Biden's pick is predictable.  Who would have guessed Tim Kaine and Mike Pence?  (I needed spell check to type Tim Kaine; how quickly they are forgotten when they lose.)

If the Obamas tell Biden it's going to be Michelle, then it's Michelle.  But looking at the 12 year aspect of it, that's 12 years of political intensity at a level where she's only done 12 minutes at a time up until now - with 2 or 3 convention speeches.  Is she driven to live and breathe politics, responsibility, governance, competing advisers, scandal and living in public scrutiny (with half the nation hating you) through her prime, kids out of the nest years, roughly 57 to almost age 70 ... versus the easy life of the rich and famous she is living right now.  She would be able to relax and retire at age almost 70 in the way Barack did at 55.  If she is that driven with that kind of discipline, there has been no sign of it so far.

The other problem with Michelle hitching her wagon to Biden is that Joe Biden has LOSER written all over him. 
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on March 06, 2020, 05:51:14 AM
yes

not clear who he will pick

butty and klobacher will get something in his administration
for their rapid support.

Cory could replace Carson if the Dem establishment (not Biden per se) wins

most of the Bama people will be brought back somewhere in the administration

has Hillary supported Biden yet or is she holding out waiting for the bribes payoffs. etc

Title: Bernie should call Biden the Comeback Kid - in Ukrainian
Post by: DougMacG on March 06, 2020, 06:26:15 AM
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0320/kass030620.php3

Is he going to let Biden off the hook the way he did Hillary?  For all the bluster, Bernie is not a fighter?
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 06, 2020, 06:28:52 AM
The thing with Michelle is that every one would know that she would simply be the front for Baraq.
Title: Peggy Noonan can still hit a home run
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 06, 2020, 06:41:18 AM
Jim Clyburn Saves the Democrats
He didn’t just endorse Biden when his campaign was in trouble. He showed him how to revive it.

By Peggy Noonan
March 5, 2020 7:11 pm ET
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Joe Biden embraces Rep. James Clyburn in North Charleston, S.C., Feb. 26.
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No one has seen anything like it. It will live in our political lore. There’ll be some bright 32-year-old kid running a campaign in 2056 and his guy will be down three in a row and the elders will take him to the Marriott bar and tell him, “Ya gotta get out, handwriting’s on the wall,” and he’ll nod, slump-shouldered. Then he’ll get this steely look, this young-wild-James-Carville look, and he’ll say, “Joe Biden was over in ’20. Nothing is written.”

There were many elements to what happened. Democrats love to say they’re not members of any organized political party, they’re Democrats; they love to say Democrats fall in love while Republicans fall in line. That’s their self conception and their story line and it’s mostly malarkey, as someone would say. You don’t get these staggered endorsements and coordinated statements without organization, power centers and money lines.

How Joe Biden Became the Lazarus of Politics


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But this is about the human part, the historic part, the speech Rep. Jim Clyburn gave that saved Mr. Biden. It was Wednesday morning. Feb. 26, in the College Center at Trident Technical College on Rivers Avenue in North Charleston, S.C. Mr. Clyburn, the highest-ranking African-American in Congress, spoke without text or notes, just a man at a mic with a blank wall behind him.

He spoke of his late wife, Emily. They met as students at South Carolina State after both were arrested at a civil-rights demonstration. “I met her in jail on that day.” Their marriage lasted 58 years. “I remember her telling about her experiences, walking 2½ miles to school every morning, 2½ back home every afternoon.” She lived on a small farm. “She learned how to drive in a pickup truck. She came to South Carolina State in that pickup truck, with her luggage on the bed.”

Her father walked town to town in the off season, 15 miles a day, to cut pulp wood. “We talked about what our parents sacrificed for us and what we owed to our children and all other children similarly situated.” They often talked about American leaders. “There’s nobody who Emily loved as a leader of this country more than she loved Joe Biden, and we talked about Joe all the time.”

He’d wrestled with whether to make a public endorsement. Then a friend died. He arrived early to the funeral and walked around talking to people he hadn’t seen in a while. “There was an elderly lady in her upper 80s sitting on the front pew of the church, just a few seats away from the coffin. And she looked at me and she beckoned to me. Didn’t say a word, just beckoned.” He joined her. “She said, ‘Lean down, I need to ask you a question.’ And I leaned down. She said, ‘You don’t have to say it out loud, but you just whisper into my ear. Who are you gonna vote for next Saturday? I been waiting to hear from you. I need to hear from you. This community wants to hear from you.’ I decided then and there that I would not stay silent.”

He quoted Martin Luther King Jr., who wrote that “he was coming to the conclusion that the people of ill will in our society was making a much better use of time than the people of good will, and he feared that he would [have] regret—not just for the vitriolic words and deeds of bad people but for the appalling silence from good people.”

He said, “South Carolina should be voting for Joe Biden, and here’s why.” Because the purpose of politics isn’t lofty and abstract but simpler, plainer: “Making the greatness of this country accessible and affordable for all. We don’t need to make this country great again—this country is great, that’s not what our challenge is.” The challenge is making greatness available to everybody. Are people able to get education, health care, housing? “Nobody with whom I’ve ever worked in public life is any more committed” to that goal “than Joe Biden.”

They got to know each other “doing TV stuff together,” he said. “I know Joe. . . . But most importantly, Joe knows us.” They used to talk a lot about Brown v. Board of Education, which consolidated five lawsuits against school segregation. One was from Joe’s Delaware. They went over it a lot. “That’s how well I know this man. I know his heart. I know who he is. I know what he is.”

Mr. Clyburn said that during his day in jail, “I was never fearful of the future. As I stand before you today I am fearful of the future of this country. I’m fearful for my daughters.” We have to “restore this country’s dignity, this country’s respect—that is what is at stake this year.” And there is “no one better suited, better prepared,” for the fight “than my good friend, my late wife’s great friend, Joe Biden.”

It was beautiful.

He wasn’t just giving Mr. Biden an endorsement, he was giving him a template: This is what to talk about, this is your subject matter.

It was a speech about the price you’ll pay to stand where you stand. In outlining his life he was saying: I didn’t talk the talk; I walked the walk, and on that basis I claim something called authority.

But what would the impact be? America is in a crisis not only of leadership but of followership. Leaders in all areas—business, the church, politics, other institutions—don’t know if they have the clout anymore to guide and advise their constituencies, they don’t know if they have the heft, the sway. Surely Mr. Clyburn wondered too.

And what followed was astounding, a throwback. What needed saying had been said, and spread. Three days later South Carolina didn’t endorse Joe Biden, it gave him a wave that wouldn’t break, that swept across the South and beyond.

After Super Tuesday, some progressives on social media clearly resented the black vote and the Biden wave. I detected in a few of them a whiff of “Who are these old Southern black ladies to be calling the shots?” It took me aback.

You couldn’t carry their sandals, sonnyboys.

A shooter came to Charleston a few years ago and they were in the Bible study. He kills, and they go to the bail hearing and, in the great incandescent moment of the last decade, say “I forgive you.”

They make everything happen; they’re the ones who’ve long made the prudential judgments on which way the party will go.

For half a century it has been telling them, “We feel your pain, we’re going to save you.” On Tuesday, after coolly surveying the facts and the field, they said to the Democratic Party, “Honey, you’re confused. We see your pain and we’re gonna save you.”

And they did. It was something—a turning of the tables, a doing what others up North and out West couldn’t quite do, and that was saying, “We are not socialists, we’re Democrats.”

The party should thank its lucky stars. It should kiss those ladies’ hands.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on March 06, 2020, 07:04:55 AM
".The thing with Michelle is that every one would know that she would simply be the front for Baraq."

yes

I wonder if Biden himself is the front for Baraq?   :wink:
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 06, 2020, 07:13:03 AM
And Michele would be how it would be done.
Title: Re: Peggy Noonan can still hit a home run
Post by: DougMacG on March 06, 2020, 07:45:41 AM
With all due respect, another view...

Clyburn:  “Making the greatness of this country accessible and affordable for all. We don’t need to make this country great again—this country is great, that’s not what our challenge is.” The challenge is making greatness available to everybody. Are people able to get education, health care, housing? “Nobody with whom I’ve ever worked in public life is any more committed” to that goal “than Joe Biden.”

   - Joe Biden has worked to make education, healthcare and housing worse by every conceivable measure.  Blacks are leaving the Democratic party for Trump, not for Bernie.

“restore this country’s dignity, this country’s respect—that is what is at stake this year.”  - Noonan quotes Clyburn without noting this is the man who brought down Bork and conducted the "high tech lynching" of Clarence Thomas that made the public airing of unsubstantiated accusations the norm in confirmation hearings.

"It was beautiful", Noonan writes about Clyburn's words.  For another opinion, I say bullsh*t. 
She is a great writer and this was a huge political turnaround; Clyburn was the key, but only Trump derangement syndrome can make a writer comfortable leaving the reader with the idea Joe Biden will restore dignity, care about people, make greatness affordable to blacks or anyone else.  Does anyone remember worst recovery in history, cash for clunkers, solyndra, no growth is the new normal, ANTI-SCHOOL CHOICE in the very worst districts because he is beholden to the teachers unions.  Good grief.  Don't get me started on abortion hitting black babies at 5 times the rate of whites.  Beautiful.

Biden's actions, his career, his policies did nothing but turn us away from economic and racial progress IMHO.  Suddenly, with a 180 degree about face with Obama-Biden out, black unemployment is at historic lows, wages are up and drug prices are coming down and the Education Secretary's top priority is school choice

Beautiful words about utter BS.  If Clyburn or Biden could link policies to results, the speech would have gone much differently.  The ballot choices last Saturday in South Carolina weren't all Democrat. 

Just my two cents.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/joe-biden-doesnt-want-lower-income-families-to-have-school-choice-like-he-and-hunter-biden-did
https://www.mrctv.org/blog/biden-flips-unionized-tax-funded-teachers-now-says-hed-abolish-charter-schools
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on March 06, 2020, 08:09:42 AM
"It was beautiful", Noonan writes about Clyburn's words.  For another opinion, I say bullsh*t.    I agree

Noonan is so full of shit

she can take a hike.

To call major Democrat Party scoundrel Biden a "uniter " a " healer "
is just as ridiculous as  calling Obama a uniter etc.

Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on March 06, 2020, 08:39:28 AM
"[Republicans] are going to put y'all back in CHAINS!"   - Civility, dignity, respect?  That was Biden's warning about Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, not Trump.  It's just the opposite.  He can't debate policies or results, so he incites and inflames.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-put-yall-back-in-chains/  Snopes Rating:  TRUE

For another South Carolina viewpoint, see Tim Scott, a black who wins statewide:  https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/powerful-sc-lawmakers-jim-clyburn-and-tim-scott-feud-over/article_42432520-062f-11ea-a582-4fc1f2bd894f.html

Biden carried the Democratic South Carolina primary, but NO ONE expects him to beat Trump there in the general election [or in any state in the South].

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2016/05/10/sen-tim-scott-tea-party-star-on-whether-he-can-support-trump-oh-yeah/

Tim Scott on making economic greatness available to more regions and more Americans:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/28/tim-scott-gop-taxes-opportunity-zones-990788

I wonder which takes more courage, being a Democrat who supported the status quo the last half century or being a black Republican not afraid of taking a different view on opportunity and economic growth.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, Warren supporters
Post by: DougMacG on March 06, 2020, 09:04:26 AM
"A Morning Consult poll taken this week found that among Warren supporters, 36 percent back Biden while 28 percent support Sanders as their second choice. If Warren were to endorse Biden, he'd add four points to that total, while Sanders would add five points if he gained her endorsement."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/analysis-warren-faces-endorsement-dilemma/ar-BB10OfR0
Title: Tucker Carlson in fine form
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 06, 2020, 09:07:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4ytSI4PFm4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvWjdvddb-4
Title: Warren Returns To Tribe In Shame After Failing To Take Land Back From Pale Faces
Post by: DougMacG on March 06, 2020, 09:14:21 AM
Best Headline:
https://babylonbee.com/news/warren-returns-to-tribe-in-shame-after-failing-to-retake-land-from-the-white-man
Title: Re: Tucker Carlson in fine form
Post by: DougMacG on March 06, 2020, 12:51:10 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4ytSI4PFm4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvWjdvddb-4

"Joe Biden spent his whole life trying to succeed in Presidential politics and now he has.  Too bad he isn't here to enjoy it."
Title: Voter Bigotry 2020?
Post by: DougMacG on March 08, 2020, 08:25:39 PM
Early voting turned against all the real candidates of color, Cory Booker and Kamala Harris.  We were down to just white people and voters turned against all the women candidates remaining.  Then primary voters turned against the gay candidate after he had some early, northern state success.  Most recently on Super Tuesday, the voters turned to Joe Biden by default because they didn't like his last two challengers who were Jewish, Sanders and Bloomberg.

None of this is pointed out because this apparent racism, sexism, homophobia and anti-semitism all happened
 on the Democratic side of the aisle.
Title: Michelle, my hell, these are words that go together well
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 09, 2020, 12:30:34 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/joe-biden-might-he-pick-michelle-obama-as-his-vice-president/?taid=5e65ab0070eb8b0001d6b1ef&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential general election, Biden v. Trump
Post by: DougMacG on March 10, 2020, 11:40:58 AM
This Democratic contest did not go as I expected.  Assuming Biden beats Sanders today, Biden basically has it wrapped up. 

We had Beto and Kamala and Butti and Hickenlooper and so on, was it 26 contestants?   I presumed that one of them would rise to the task, even if it was Biden, but no one did.  Biden won by default, a result of no one rising to project competency in a future Presidency.

Now what?  Time limits me from listing Biden's faults and political weaknesses here, but which of these should Trump run against? 

My guess is Trump he will paint Biden as a boob, the incompetent kind, not the pretty kind.

My preference though is that he mostly run a traditional campaign that ties Trump policies to American successes and draws the distinction that all Democrat policies take us in the exact opposite direction.  We are only trying to win the Presidency.  We need to win the agenda.

Trump should [mostly] ignore the fact that Biden is a boob and run against the ideology.  Make the case of governance for the ages.  Convert voters and leave a lasting legacy.  Make the incoherence and personal incompetence of his opponent Joe Biden be a mere footnote to the story of 2020.  Let it be the year the Republicans held the White House, took the House, held the Senate, and won the Supreme Court for the foreseeable future.  Elections have consequences and campaigns matter.  We're not looking for "coattails; we're looking to grow a full root structure.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 10, 2020, 11:48:23 PM
Reagan's campaign in '84 gave him a huge victory, but lacking substance the victory tended towards being hollow in its power.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on March 11, 2020, 05:32:09 AM
".Trump should [mostly] ignore the fact that Biden is a boob and run against the ideology."

Well maybe he could ask Biden some mental status questions during a debate
like we do in the office with memory impaired patients screening for dementia

of course I don't know what the outcome would be ......

I would like to see him take the DEm climate change monopoly away from them by proposing the agenda posted on the "climate" and "way forward for the Republican party" threads.

may offer DACA (not happy about it) but probably realistic in view of sending all the families home is just too politically near impossible with the bleeding heart liberal media ..    But only in exchange for STRICT enforcement of immigration elsewhere and to stop this ridiculous chain migration
and even the birthright for non citizens or naturalized individuals

Continue to make the case for conservative health care solutions
  vs free this and. free that

as for going after Joe as a senile silver head
   we know Trump will do that for sure .  he already is.
   He could never control himself .  He is like an opiod addict in that regard
Title: Islamist influence
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 11, 2020, 08:17:36 AM
https://mailchi.mp/meforum.org/1rt0agmhwe?e=9627475d7f

edited to add:

Haven't watched it yet but it seems promising:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=4d5mtvtKiac&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: DougMacG on March 11, 2020, 08:43:27 AM
Reagan's campaign in '84 gave him a huge victory, but lacking substance the victory tended towards being hollow in its power.

Yes, and he did not win the House with his 49 state victory.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 11, 2020, 09:04:33 AM
It took Newt's Contract with America to do that.
Title: 2024
Post by: ccp on March 11, 2020, 03:49:19 PM
Obviously

Mario's kid
Title: The "Old folks and New Wokes" of the Dem Party
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 17, 2020, 12:10:29 AM
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/joe-hildebrand-why-the-death-of-the-democratic-middle-will-deliver-trumps-win/news-story/e2ea2822a151e5406c01db39e4df9412
Title: Jews 65 to 70 % for Democrats
Post by: ccp on March 18, 2020, 05:47:39 AM
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/after-four-years-of-pro-israel-trump-american-jews-still-with-the-democrats/

These numbers will not change.
To this group Republicans are Nazis
The Dem Party means everything to them.

They will give all these philosophical reasons why , they all think they are being menches -  it is all BS

(only way to change them might be to increase their taxes a LOT more; they don't think Bernie would come after them ?  Wrong )

CD is a rarity - coming form a Democrat family and becoming a  conservative (or libertarian)
Title: Biden wins FL, AZ, IL, Sanders will drop out
Post by: DougMacG on March 18, 2020, 06:40:41 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/488181-sanders-will-assess-his-campaign-after-coronavirus-response

He succeeded in pulling Biden to the Left as he did with Hillary, but with yesterday's losses he can no longer pretend to be competitive.
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election, the field narrows
Post by: DougMacG on March 19, 2020, 09:44:27 AM
So many candidates seemed more attractive to the voters than former VP Joe Biden. 
https://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=2647.msg118156#msg118156
Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: ccp on March 19, 2020, 10:06:47 AM
"So many candidates seemed more attractive to the voters than former VP Joe Biden"

It really is amazing

Joe who was the front runner, the next in line establishment guy was a total bomb (just like he was the other 3 times he ran for Prez)
so we get dozens of others running .

All of them being held up by adoring media  one by one ; the clown from texas (forgot his name already) , Hillary , Booker, Harris, Warren Sanders,  the billionaires  Bloomberg, Steyner, the Starbucks ex CEO , wife  butti
to Klobacher etc

After they all proved to suck
the establishment Dem crowd panics and then rushes back to the original senile looser and holds him up on their shoulders with teleprompters and
very short staged appearances with  the likes of Jake Tapper cutting him off to help redirect him when he forgets what he was actually  talking about in debates

They repackage this lifelong government employee who has always been a nasty partisan as someone who can bring us all together; the
" postman's son from Scranton PA" who is for the regular working guy...   yadda yadda

The whole process is a big joke actually  - but on us.
Title: Polls good for Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 20, 2020, 04:35:32 PM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/america-approves-3-polls-give-trumps-virus-job-a-thumbs-up

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/488597-majority-of-americans-approve-of-trumps-handling-of-coronavirus-poll

Title: I thought for 2024
Post by: ccp on March 25, 2020, 09:06:49 AM
but as biden continues to make total incompetent fool out of himself

this is getting more and more likely every day:

https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/24/andrew-cuomo-coronavirus-brokered-convention-democratic-nominee/

And with such an adoring news media who he is taking total advantage of.......

If only Trump could control his ego
Title: Cuomo
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 25, 2020, 11:04:16 AM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/could-a-draft-cuomo-movement-be-in-the-democrats-future/
Title: Andrew
Post by: ccp on March 25, 2020, 01:48:50 PM
mario's kid

think Chris will give him the same coverage as he does Trump?
Title: biden townhall last night. - LOL
Post by: ccp on March 28, 2020, 01:41:16 PM
did anyone see Biden town hall on CNN last night
even the silver one (no Biden) but Anderson Cooper looked like he could not believe what he was seeing

I find in very hard to believe they will let this guy be the nominee...........



Title: Re: 2020 Presidential election
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 28, 2020, 02:33:30 PM
URL?
Title: poll
Post by: ccp on March 31, 2020, 07:27:29 AM
https://www.newsmax.com/mclaughlin/voter-opinion-emergency-pelosi/2020/03/28/id/960332/
Title: Dem convention postponed until August
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 02, 2020, 10:10:49 AM
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/dnc-postpones-presidential-convention-to-august-over-coronavirus-fears/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=breaking&utm_campaign=newstrack&utm_term=19909962