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Title: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 01, 2005, 11:32:06 AM
Woof All:

This thread is for matters pertaining to MMA.

Woof,
Crafty Dog
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Jun 1, 12:11 PM EDT

Boston Bans 'Ultimate Fighting' Event

BOSTON (AP) -- City officials have pulled the plug on an "ultimate fighting" event and are threatening to ban the kicking and punching bouts altogether, saying they incite crowds and threaten public safety.

Police and licensing officials blocked a competition planned for this Saturday even though ultimate fighting is legal and is regulated by the Massachusetts Boxing Commission.

"This is not something the city of Boston is going to sanction at this point," said Patricia Malone, head of the city's licensing department.

The fighting is "extremely dangerous" and "incites the crowd. It's definitely a public safety issue," she said.

Ultimate fighting features brawlers inside caged rings. Fights are won by knockout or submission, which usually occurs when a participant is trapped in a dangerous hold. It is legal in most states, but is banned in Illinois and St. Paul, Minn.

"It's basically a mix of 10 styles of fighting that are all legal," said Pat Schultz, 29, a participant from Wareham. "I think the sport might be getting a bad rap from people who don't know about it."

Six hundred tickets were sold for Saturday's event, promoter Mike Varner said. He plans to move the event to a facility in Taunton. "We're licensed. It's regulated. We have insurance," he said.

Ultimate fighting supporters say no one has died in a sanctioned bout. However, at least 10 people have died in "Toughman" amateur boxing matches since that competition started 25 years ago.

Just this weekend, Daniel Quirk, 22, was fatally injured while taking part in a pro wrestling event called Ultimate Championship Wrestling, also in Taunton. Authorities said Quirk, of Shelton, Conn., was outside the ring and attempted to catch another wrestler diving from the top rope. He was knocked off his feet and hit his head on the floor, police said.

? 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
Title: MMA Thread
Post by: VTach on June 01, 2005, 02:28:53 PM
Maybe someone can convense the croud to keep it down...  :roll:
Title: Usual BS from people who don't know what they speak of...
Post by: vigil on June 02, 2005, 07:52:50 AM
I question whether Malone has ever even attended one of the many New England MMA events. The wrestling event that the kid died at was closer to some odd unsanctioned WWF event than any kind of sanctioned, ruled and judged professional (or even amateur) MMA event.

The funny part is they have had quite a few MMA events known as 'Mass Destruction' at Avalon. Avalon is a club within the city of Boston, just a few minute drive away from the Roxy where the canceled fight was to be held. If it was that big a deal, why were those fights not shut down? Why now all of a sudden?

The biggest problem in Massachusettes in my view is that they have not yet seperated the sport of MMA from WWF style wrestling events. On one hand it is looked at as a WWF type of event. On the other handthe events are forced to follow lightly modified boxing commision rules. They can't make up their mind yet if this is sport or entertainment. It's sport folks. Sport fighting. Plain and simple. Some folks invovled in MMA (like Mike Varner mentioned in the article) have already been in discussion with the Massachusettes Boxing Commission and other state officials to have a specific MMA rule set like other states. That will be a good first step to avoiding this type of situation. See here for more info on that:
http://www.massmma.com/state_house.html

The fact of the matter is that in sanctioned and professional MMA fights in New England, no one has ever been seriously injured. See here for more info on that:
http://www.massmma.com/fighter_band.html

I have personally been to a few events at Avalon and at the Matrix which is the facility in Taunton where the event will be moved to. Sure, everyone gets up and excited when the fight gets moving. Just like when a boxing match gets good, or the home team hits a homer in a ballgame, or the quaterback throws that perfect touchdown pass. But it is not like they like to phrase it for purposes of sensationalizing the article by saying "The fighting is "extremely dangerous" and "incites the crowd. It's definitely a public safety issue," she said." There's no public safety issue here.

What MMA fight that you've ever seen allows the fighters to jump out of the ring at each other resulting in situations like this where the guy cracked his head off the floor and died as a result of it? Hmmm...  now what type of events do we normally see that at? Maybe WWF copies like these guys, and the morons in those backyard wrestling videos?
Title: R1 Open Session
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 22, 2007, 02:15:59 PM
Sunday March 4th, 2007

3x3 minute rounds
Headgear, gloves, cup, mouthpiece
Win by KO, TKO or Submission

Fighters wanted, contact
r1gundo@yahoo.com or 310-322-5552
Provide the following info:
Age, weight, school, instructor, years training

All fighters must pre-register.

Gym fee for spectators
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on March 04, 2007, 12:31:36 AM
Wow, Randy Couture dominated Tim Sylvia, great head movement. 
Im sure Tim Sylvia thought his reach would be enough....

Too bad May 5th is so far away... cant wait till Mayweather and De La Hoya meet but thats another thread..
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 04, 2007, 07:43:23 AM
I did not see this one coming and am delighted to have been wrong.  Outstanding achievement by Couture!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on March 04, 2007, 07:56:28 AM
By far the best UFC in the past few years, all great fights and I heard that the preliminaries were just as good.  Did everyone notice the Trigg 101 RF used to dominate the outside game of JM?!

Gruhn
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 04, 2007, 10:28:53 PM
Just saw the first four rounds.  That opening combo that dropped TS sure looked like Jun Fan Gung Fu to me 8-)  Looks like it scored in the second round too.

Is there a rules reason why RC did not heel kick TS in the belly once he had back control in the first round?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on March 05, 2007, 01:05:11 PM
I dont believe there are any rules that prohibit it... but perhaps he was just be "cautious" or maybe the heel kick could be misconstrued as a stomp?

Fouls:   
1.   Butting with the head.
2.   Eye gouging of any kind.
3.   Biting.
4.   Hair pulling.
5.   Fish hooking.
6.   Groin attacks of any kind.
7.   Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
8.   Small joint manipulation.
9.   Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
13. Grabbing the clavicle.
14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
21. Spitting at an opponent.
22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
23. Holding the ropes or the fence.
24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
25. Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
26. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
28. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
30. Interference by the corner.
31. Throwing in the towel during competition.


Ways To Win:    
1. Submission by:
           Physical tap out.
           Verbal tap out.
2. Technical knockout by the referee stopping the contest.
3. Decision via the scorecards, including:
           Unanimous decision.
           Split decision.
           Majority decision.
           Draw, including:
                  Unanimous draw.
                  Majority draw.
                  Split draw.
4. Technical decision.
5. Technical draw.
6. Disqualification.
7. Forfeit.
8. No contest.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on March 05, 2007, 01:13:31 PM
My take on it was that Tim is a ginormous dude and lifting a heel might have jeopardized Randy's position.    Tim could have easily slipped his hip out if Randy would have lost a hook.  Not to mention the family jewels Randy could have accidentally hit with the heel which would have called for a break and restart.  I am with you Robert, he was playing cautious.

Gruhn
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on March 05, 2007, 02:12:10 PM
Good point about the positioning, Randy literally man handled Tim a couple of times, I mean he literally threw Tim on the ground a couple of times.
I think Tim as a person is a cool person, I saw him in walking in Waikiki once and he was really cool to the people that approached him, I just thought his matches werent as exciting as they could have been.  Imagine the respect he would be getting if he did manage to stop RC, Ill have to watch again but I dont recall TS using his jab or his "hunchedback" boxing shell.  I wonder if there will be a rematch and how will Tim fight a second time. Will Randy use the same head movement?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Howling Dog on March 05, 2007, 03:03:52 PM
I think with Crocop comming in and some of the new up and commers like Branden Vera....the heavy weight division is passing Tim Silvia by........I think Arlovski can still make noise there but the more svelt mobile big guys are going to take over this weight class IMHO....
                                                                             TG
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on March 07, 2007, 12:16:46 PM
Whats up with Vera?  Sometime ago I read he was debating on leaving the UFC.

http://ufcjunkie.com/2006/12/15/brandon-vera-leaving-the-ufc/
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on March 08, 2007, 03:22:16 PM
ESPN 360 Interview with Randy Couture

http://broadband.espn.go.com/espn360/

Look for "RANDY COUTURE CAPTURES UFC BELT"
I dont think there is a way to directly link to it.

Title: Andy Wang
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 28, 2007, 11:44:33 PM
Woof All:

Just got this from R-1 gym buddy and Machado BJJ BB Andy Wang:

Way to go Andy!
CD
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Friends,

Here's an interview I did for the Ultimate Fighter Season 5 and
another reminder that the season will be starting next Thursday
night...thanks for the support and please reply with how you are
doing; I'd like to hear from all of you!

Quick Shots: 20 questions with TUF 5 fighter Andy Wang
By Robert Cheshire on March 28, 2007

Andy Wang is the next fighter who took the time to answer our "Quick
Shots" questions. Andy looks to show that he is the real deal and not
just another fighter thinking they are "The Last Dragon" to enter the
Octagon.

1. Name: Andy Wang

2. Do you have a nickname? "Yellow Peril" It was originally a racist
term used by the West against Asians, particularly Chinese people,
from immigrating. Since then, it has become a symbol for persevering
and not giving up during hard times. I'd like to think I share some of
those same qualities.

3. Place of birth: Kaoshiung, Taiwan. You can thank us for all the
computer chips and cheap toys you guys have bought over the years!

4. Birthday: May 28, 1977, but I always use the Chinese calendar when
a girl asks me my age, which is about 10 years behind. (Laughs)

5. Fight Record: 8-6

6. How long have you competed in MMA? I started competing in MMA when
I was about 9 or 10 years old and a kid came up to me at school and
not only asked me for my lunch money, but proceeded to reach his hands
into my pockets to check for himself. He had both hands in my pockets
and I thought, "How is he going to protect his face?" He didn't.

7 . How did you get started in competing? The first time I saw the UFC
on videotape back in 1995, I felt right away that those guys who
entered the Octagon, win or lose, were modern day warriors. I wanted
to become one.

8. Who do you train with? Bruce Leroy is a legend in my town! He can
bite bullets with his teeth, he'll never bow down to anybody, even if
they are wearing Converse! Rumor has it he can even glow...

9. What is your favorite UFC moment? Back in the early UFC when Fred
Ettish fought Johnny Rhodes. I remember my stomach was turning as Fred
was getting beat, and I was screaming at the TV, "Tap...why don't you
just tap!" It was then that I realized Fred, even in defeat, had more
heart and character than 99.9% of the people in this world.

10 . What is your favorite TUF moment from the previous seasons? So
far my favorite was when Dana White dropped $10,000 cash for a
billiards game between the coaches, Ken Shamrock and Tito Ortiz...I'm
Chinese, which means cash gets me really, really excited. (Laughs)

11. What do you like to do when you are not training/fighting? Like
most Asians, I like to relax by playing ping-pong and solving calculus
equations for fun.

12. What does it mean to you to get a chance to compete in the UFC?
Honestly, it means I get a chance to find my destiny...to compete
against the best fighters in the world and to know exactly where I
stand in this sport, that's an awesome and rare opportunity.

13. What job do you have or had before coming to the UFC? I taught
high school World History and U.S. Government all the way until last
semester and it's a job that was a lot of fun and I met some of the
coolest kids along the way who had such amazing and inspirational
stories. One kid that stands out was a student of mine whose whole
family was a part of a Crip gang based in Long Beach, California. He
had been in and out of jail, had a child and was heading to prison or
the morgue, but he made the decision to go to college for his infant
son, and even though he got zero support or help, he made something of
himself and he had the guts to do the right thing...it was amazing to
see.

14. Did you go to college and if so, where? I am a proud alumni of the
University of Hawaii at Manoa...GO BOWS!

15. Have you held any rank or titles? I am proudly the South Torrance
H.S. 1995 Prom King. I was so emotional when they handed me my
crown...

16. Who do you look up to? Without question my mother and father.
Anytime a family emigrates to a new country, they do it for their kids
and my parents endured a lot and gave up everything they had to give
me and my brother a shot at making our dreams come true.

17. What is your favorite technique? Anything that gets the crowd
"ooohing and aahing"!

18. Are you married and/or have kids? I've never been married and do not
have children at this time.

19. What sponsors do you have? Howard Combat Kimonos, who has been
with me from day one, Fokai, MonsterWarrior crosstraining systems and,
of course, Chef Wang's Kitchen in Hermosa Beach...NO MSG, for real!

20. What do you want to say to the fans? It's an honor to step into
the Octagon for all of you and I'm always going to try and represent
my family, friends and fans to the best of my ability. Thank you!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on March 29, 2007, 10:10:51 AM
TUF 5 sounds like it is going to be awesome, someone already leaked out an incident that should appear on the first episode. I read that Bj really got on Jens nerves and by the end of the season they are going to throw down with some mean intent.


The Andy Wang interview is great! I cant wait to see him fight.
Title: ICON: Trigg vs Lawler clip
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on April 02, 2007, 04:11:03 PM
Found a clip of last Saturdays ICON event.

Trigg vs Lawler - Last round
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSugFwxrcRA
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Mongo Gary on April 09, 2007, 09:22:28 AM
Hey anybody out there think that Matt Serra stood a chance against GSP? WOW  what a upset!! Matt has a lot of heart, but GSP has a lot of class but just goes to show anyhting can happen in a fight. But I did not think that Serra would have pulled it off. Just that one fight made my night. All the others where allfull. :x Mongo
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 10, 2007, 03:17:06 PM
I was on vacation with the family and missed the fight.  I must say I was surprised when I heard the results.  One comment I saw said something about Serra using an unconventional striking game.  Anyone?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on April 10, 2007, 04:42:11 PM
Unconventional in that he resorted to very tight boxing technique, I guess people are not used to seeing boxing any more in UFC  :-D  His right hand rarely left his head as apposed to all of the fighters that hold their hands low and off their head.  Apparently Daily Motion has a legal deal to host certain fights and this just so happens to be one of them:

http://www.dailymotion.com/Princenino/video/x1nnd0_ufc-69-matt-serra-vs-georges-st-pie

Gruhn
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on April 10, 2007, 07:28:37 PM
His right hand rarely left his head as apposed to all of the fighters that hold their hands low and off their head. (http://His right hand rarely left his head as apposed to all of the fighters that hold their hands low and off their head.)

I agree, he was throwing some nice body shots too.

Next weeks UFC should be a good show too!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on April 22, 2007, 08:00:04 AM
Awesome JKDC Trapping by GG against Cro Cop in the first few minutes of the first round.  I think I saw at least ten pac-da's  :-D  O yeah, that head kick was pretty cool too  :-o

Gruhn
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Kumaw on April 22, 2007, 08:23:15 AM
Cro Cop's knockout was the shocker of the night I think. I hope his leg didn't get jacked up too bad from that fall.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 26, 2007, 02:56:04 PM
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Report: UFC Opts for No Drug Testing at UFC 69 or UFC 70
Posted by UFC Junkie on April 26, 2007 at 9:15 am ET

Fighters from neither Houston's UFC 69 event nor last weekend's UFC 70 event in England underwent drug testing following their bouts, according to Steve Sievert of the Houston Chronicle.

According to Sievert, officials from the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation stated that the drug testing was the responsibility of the "sanctioning body" of UFC 69, which in this case, was none other than the UFC.

The UFC simply chose not to test anyone.

Sievert has some feedback from Marc Ratner, the UFC's vice president of regulatory affairs, regarding the matter. Unfortunately, he doesn't offer much in the way of an explanation, other than saying the UFC would have had no authority to discipline the fighters even if they did test positive for performance-enhancing or recreational drugs. (Really?)

Add this latest fiasco to growing list of grievances regarding the TDLR and its first-ever UFC event in the state of Texas. Earlier this month, UFCjunkie.com contacted the commission to get a list of salaries from the fighters at the April 7 event. This information is readily available from other state commissions and considered a matter of public record.

However, with the Texas commission, our numerous phone calls and email messages were ignored. No explanation was given, and no information was sent. I later learned that other media outlets were told that the commission wouldn't release the information until the state's attorney general decided whether or not the figures could stay private. Of course, UFCjunkie.com never got an answer either way.

Sievert also asked Ratner about testing for UFC 70, which took place in Manchester, England. Ratner said they simply had no legal means to do it.

However, just a few days before the UFC 70 event, UFC president Dana White said that the organization would administer the drug tests -- and that Ratner, the former head of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, would be in charge of the process. White made the comments during a conference call to reporters a few days before the event.

Said White:

[Each drug test] will be a random drug test, and actually, what we are doing for this is Marc Ratner will be overseeing and has flown over a lot of inspectors, judges and referees. As far as safety goes, we always go overboard. Ratner is overseeing the whole thing.

The tests, of course, never happened.

In fact, England was apparently so ill-prepared for the event that the UFC reportedly had to fly over two U.S. inspectors, three judges and a doctor who consulted with local officials on the night of the event.

England's Boxing Board of Control, after all, does not regulate MMA.


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Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on April 27, 2007, 01:48:29 AM
Well Andy Wang lost and all I have to say is Why????

Why didn't you listen to your corner, that is what they are there for!!

Oh well....
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 27, 2007, 06:25:22 AM
Andy's a buddy via his being a Machado BB and via our having trained together at RAW/R1, so I am bummed for him.  This was a big opportunity for him to get what he came for in MMA  :cry:

The guy was four inches taller than him (given Andy's stocky build, this can't be a rare experience for him) and Andy is a Machado BB, so BJ's advice to take it to the ground seems to as obvious as it was sound.  Also to my eye it looked like no one ever showed Andy the footwork fundamentals of fighting unmatched leads.  Combine that with the opponent's reach advantage and the result was what it was.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: peregrine on April 27, 2007, 11:33:37 AM
Andy why did you fight that fight?

omg i can't believe he fought like that. I was yelling at the tv, he is such a phenomonal grappler... why did he want to kickbox?
I concur that he did not have any basis for fighting an unmatched lead, if i recall correctly didn't this happen a few fights ago in TUF5 as well?(episode2) the fighter had no concepts of fighting a different lead.

The guy had so much reach advantage, yet he wanted to kickbox and throw a looping overhand. You don't throw overhands on southpaws in general, you pump that straight right down the pipe. And if you're doing DBMA you got the outside diamond.
The single pick was right there especially in unmatched lead, you're such a good grappler Andy why did you do that? You're not a striker per se. The guy dissected him with basic kickboxing and reach. The one time i think a single attempt was made he ate a knee, but you gotta commit, eat it and grab it. Saddly that was your shot into the big boys.

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on April 27, 2007, 11:43:37 AM
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Also to my eye it looked like no one ever showed Andy the footwork fundamentals of fighting unmatched leads.


YES!  Jen's seems to have a good idea of the footwork as he was yelling "circle, circle!" but I agree that Andy should have at least understood the outside footwork.  I was commenting to my girlfriend as we watched it; "it seems like some of the material we work is still a big secret to a lot of pro fighters and coaches."  This is really one of the only explanations for it not coming out as much.

Gruhn
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 27, 2007, 12:33:02 PM
"Kali Tudo" available at www.dogbrothers.com :-D
Title: NY Times: NFL Player to fight
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 22, 2007, 06:45:06 AM

LAKE FOREST, Calif., May 16 — When Johnnie Morton finished playing wide receiver in the National Football League, he carefully reviewed his retirement options: be host of a talk show, expand his real estate profile, maybe work on his golf game.

Morton played 12 professional seasons, including 8 with the Detroit Lions. He caught 43 touchdown passes in his career.
After much consideration, Morton decided that it would be best to spend his free time being body slammed into a chain-link fence by two men named Joker and Gun.

“Crazy, huh?” Joker said.

Joker’s real name is Mike Guymon. Gun’s real name is Tony Bonello. Together, they are teaching Morton how to compete in mixed martial arts, one of the few sports that may be more violent and more dangerous than professional football.

“I’ve gotten hit a lot in my life,” said Morton, who spent 12 seasons going over the middle against N.F.L. safeties. “But I’ve never gotten hit like this.”

Morton will walk into a ring for the first time June 2 at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum, beginning his second career. He expects to ask himself the same question that friends, family members and former teammates have been asking him for months: What in the world are you thinking?

Mixed martial arts combines wrestling, boxing and kick boxing with jujitsu, tae kwon do and Muay Thai. Punches to the head and knees to the gut are encouraged. Even the most accomplished fighters get their faces rearranged into cubist paintings.

Two months ago, Morton’s only experience with mixed martial arts was watching the Ultimate Fighting Championship on television. He admired the fighters, mainly because they were the only athletes who seemed more fearless than football players. Morton memorized their names as if they were N.F.L. superstars.

“Some people want to bungee jump,” Morton said. “Others want to jump out of planes. I would never do that. But I want to do this.”

Morton, 35, does not have to fight for a living. He went to the University of Southern California, had a cameo playing himself in the movie “Jerry Maguire,” and was named one of People magazine’s most eligible bachelors. He is rich, handsome, and almost as marketable as Tiki Barber, the former Giants running back who is now a news correspondent for NBC’s “Today” show.

Morton, meanwhile, goes to work at a gym in an Orange County office park. The gym — Joker’s Wild Fighting Academy — includes a ring with a chain-link fence. Japanese and American flags hang from the ceiling, reminding Morton of his mixed heritage.

In Detroit, where Morton spent eight seasons, he was the kind of player who did not get tired even during two-a-days. He can bench press 400 pounds. His body fat is less than 5 percent. But during a sparring session Wednesday, he could not summon the energy to get off his hands and knees. Joker and Gun had to drag him to his feet.

“Let me die in peace,” Morton moaned.

Then he remembered that he was a former professional football player, that his girlfriend was watching, and that Joker and Gun do not believe in peace.

Morton charged at his sparring partner, battering him with a combination of punches and dropping him to the mat with a sweep of his leg. Morton used one hand to grab the man’s neck and the other to pound the side of his face.

If Morton were in the N.F.L., he would have drawn a 15-yard penalty, an automatic ejection, a fine and a possible suspension. But here, he prompted Joker and Gun to do their version of a touchdown dance.

“Look at this guy,” Gun said. “He’s beautiful. He has tons of money. He has an incredibly happy lifestyle. And he’s putting his brain on the line. He’s putting his manhood on the line. It’s hard to say what would make him do it.”

Morton is not the first N.F.L. player to enter the ring, only the most celebrated. Michael Westbrook, a former receiver for the Washington Redskins, won a fight two years ago over Jarrod Bunch, a former running back for the Giants. Bob Sapp, a washout as a N.F.L. lineman, became a formidable competitor in mixed martial arts.

One afternoon last winter, Morton was eating lunch at the Health Emporium when a man named Joey Sakoda approached him. Sakoda first asked Morton if he wanted to go to a mixed martial arts fight. Then Sakoda asked Morton if he wanted to participate.

Sakoda works for Superagent Athletes, a Japanese agency that represents Joker and Gun, both title holders. Sakoda acted quickly, placing Morton on the Dynamite!! U.S.A. fight card, which includes a mixed martial arts star (Royce Gracie) as well as a novelty act (Hong Man Choi, a 7-foot-2 South Korean.)
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Morton was afraid to tell his parents. His mother, Katsuko, is Japanese-American. His father, Johnnie Sr., is African-American. Johnnie Sr. was once shot eight times while in his car. Katsuko and Johnnie Sr. did not want their son taking any more risks with his body.

Morton is getting no tuneups. He is fighting in less than two weeks, on Showtime pay-per-view, in the same stadium where he played college football. He will be paid about as much money as he used to earn for a single N.F.L. game.

One of the broadcasters will be Jay Glazer, who has a unique perspective on the bout. Glazer is best known as an N.F.L. analyst, but he also competes in mixed martial arts. When he visits N.F.L. training camps in the summer, players ask him more about fighting than about football.

“Football players are looked at as the biggest and baddest guys on the planet,” Glazer said. “People see them as superheroes. But football players also need someone to look up to. They view mixed martial arts as something even they are unwilling or unable to do. All the guys love Johnnie. But they think he’s nuts.”

N.F.L. players may not want to get into the ring, but they are willing to get in a gym. For years, many players have used boxing as part of their off-season workout regimen. Recently, they have started to turn to mixed martial arts.

According to Glazer, Philadelphia’s Brian Dawkins and Jacksonville’s Donovin Darius have trained at a mixed martial arts gym. So has Barber. This winter, Kansas City’s Jared Allen worked out at Arizona Combat Sports in Tempe.

“Football used to be our only real gladiator sport,” said Trevor Lally, the owner of Arizona Combat Sports gym. “Now, players have M.M.A. to give them a taste of that one-on-one combat. The combat is what they love.”

Morton was never a fighter. Like many receivers, he would try to hit linebackers when they were looking the other way. But Morton said there was only one person in the N.F.L. he would really like to see in the ring — Matt Millen, the Lions’ president. Millen directed a homosexual epithet at Morton after a game between Detroit and Kansas City in 2003, when Morton was playing for the Chiefs.

Morton is not ready to give up football just yet. He was released by the San Francisco 49ers two years ago but said that his agent was talking to a couple of teams. Ideally, he would fight in June and go to a training camp in July.

Morton is trying to shift back and forth, from the mainstream of sports to the fringes, from Tom Brady and Peyton Manning to Joker and Gun. When Morton finished his workout Wednesday, Joker shouted out one more piece of advice, for the road home and the road to retirement.

“Drive fast,” he said. “Take chances.”
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 02, 2007, 04:48:40 AM
From: "Martial Arts Tournaments" <ma.tournaments@gmail.com>
To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [Eskrima] Pro fight league is a hit
Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net

Pro fight league is a hit
John Boyle
Herald, Everett, Wash

Aaron Stark will step into the ring at the Everett Events Center
tonight with his mind set on knocking his opponent unconscious or
beating him into submission.

The Oregon native is 205 pounds of tough, a fighter in the
International Fight League, the world's first team-based professional
mixed martial arts league, which is making its first stop in
Washington tonight.

And Stark's long-term dream: To make world-class pinot noir.

Seriously.

When he's not busy fighting or training, Stark is the vineyard manager
for Colene Clemens Vineyard in Oregon's Willamette Valley. The
family-owned vineyard, named for Stark's grandmother, planted pinot
noir vines - three different Dijon clones, Stark says with pride - two
years ago, and Stark said they hope to produce their first wines next
year.

Oh yeah, the former college wrestler is also a member of Mensa
International, an organization of people with high IQs.

While mixed martial arts competitions, best known from the Ultimate
Fighting Championships that draw huge crowds and pay-per-view ratings,
continue their rapid growth in this country and abroad (see last
week's cover of Sports Illustrated as evidence), they also fight
constant misconceptions.

Gone are the early days of the sport when there were no weight classes
and few rules. Despite the violence of the sport - and there's no
arguing that it is violent - fighters say the sport is much safer than
the casual observer might believe.

These are athletes, and well-rounded ones at that, not brawlers.

"I do think that's something we're always dealing with," Stark said.
"I won't tell you that there aren't any savages in the business, but
most of the guys tend to be fairly well-rounded guys outside of the
ring. They're guys with families, guys who went to college. I don't
have any hatred for my opponents. It's a sport."

The IFL's visit tonight gives local fight fans a chance to see the
sport up close. The IFL, which started last year and is in its first
full season, differs from Ultimate Fighting by being a team sport.
Tonight's card features fighters from four of the teams in the 12-team
league: Seattle; Portland, Ore.; Los Angeles; and Tokyo. Each team has
fighters in five weight classes, and teams win by winning three or
more of the five matches.

Competitions take place in a round-robin format from January to June,
with the top two teams competing for the IFL Championship in
September.

While the IFL may not have the name recognition of Ultimate Fighting,
it is certainly doing well in its first full season. Matches are held
in smaller venues, similar in size to the 8,300-seat Everett Events
Center, and usually draw between 5,000 and 8,000 fans. The league also
has TV contracts with FSN, which airs a weekly show Friday nights, and
with MyNetworkTV, which has a two-hour show on Mondays that is part
fight action and part a behind-the-scenes look at the league.

In the early to mid-1990s, the early days of mixed martial arts in the
U.S., fighters could get away with almost anything. The sport was
referred to as "human cockfighting" by Republican Sen. John McCain of
Arizona and was banned in many states before changes were made.

Now the sport is regulated. It has weight classes and rules.

The IFL's Web site lists 27 actions constituting fouls, including
butting with the head, eye gouging, biting, hair pulling, fish
hooking, groin attacks of any kind, elbows to the face or head, and -
get ready to cringe - intentionally placing a finger in any opponent's
orifice.

The sport's top athletes are just that: athletes, not barroom brawlers
stepping into the ring. Most come into the sport with a background in
one fighting discipline and then learn others such as boxing,
kickboxing, wrestling, Jiu Jitsu, karate, Muay Thai or tae kwon do.

Unlike boxing, mixed martial arts has not had a death in a sanctioned event.

"It's definitely not as bad as what people think," said Ryan Schultz,
a member of the Portland Wolfpack and one of the league's stars.
"We're not just brutes up there beating the crap out of each other.
We're all friends. It's totally a sport. Most of us, we're pretty
easygoing guys."

The IFL is also unique in that is provides a steady fight schedule and
steady pay. While the top fighters on pay-per-view fights are making
good money, other fighters can struggle to find fights at all, let
alone fights that pay well. IFL fighters, on the other hand, have
contracts with the league that provide a steady paycheck and health
benefits.

"I've fought all over the place, in Japan, Hawaii, Canada, just
looking for fights," said Schultz, who wrestled at the University of
Nebraska. "With this league it's great. With IFL, you can plan your
life a little bit better. You know when you're fighting. They take
care of us."

That financial security is something some fighters never thought
they'd get from fighting.

"My first five fights were for free," said Brad Blackburn, an Olympia
native who fights for the Seattle Tiger Sharks. "Now I'm getting paid
enough to pay my bills. I was hoping one day it would pay, but I never
really thought it would. I'm getting paid to go out and do something I
love."

Controversial or not, the sport on display tonight in Everett seems
here to stay.

"This sport is definitely blowing up," Schultz said. "It's fun to be
on that train. It's exciting; you can definitely see the change in how
popular it's becoming. I think it's here to stay and I see it doing
big, big things."

More about the sport

Fighting styles used: Boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, Jiu Jitsu,
karate, Muay Thai and tae kwon do are the most prominent - also judo,
aikido and others.

How a fight is won: Matches are won by knockout, technical knockout
(referee or corner stoppage), submission or tap out (when an athlete
resigns the match because he is in a compromised hold or choke), or a
judge's decision. The team that wins the best three of five matches
wins the team competition.

Common terms

Armbar: A type of armlock in which the arm is hyper-extended at the
elbow in order to get an opponent to submit or tap out.

Ground-and-pound: A technique in which an athlete gains an advantage
through a takedown, assumes a top position and strikes down on the
opponent.

Heelhook: A submission hold applied on the heel and then fully
accomplished by twisting the knee at the joint.

Submission hold: A choke or joint manipulation that is meant to cause
an opponent to submit or tap out.

Tap/tap out: An act of submission or giving up in which an opponent,
hopelessly captured in a submission hold or being pummeled by strikes,
taps the mat or his opponent in lieu of blacking out or risking bodily
harm.

Takedown: The act of putting your opponent to the floor with a tackle,
sweep, Greco-throw or other technique, typically involving the legs.

IFL timeline

Jan. 6, 2006: Real estate developer and martial arts aficionado Kurt
Otto and Gareb Shamus, founder of Wizard Entertainment, announce the
creation of the International Fight League. The IFL will field four
teams (Los Angeles, New York, Seattle and Moline, Ill.) and play host
to two national tournaments in 2006 before formally launching a full
season in 2007.

April 29, 2006: The IFL makes its debut at the Taj Mahal in Atlantic
City, N.J. The Quad Cities Silverbacks post a 4-1 win over the Los
Angeles Anacondas, and the Seattle Tiger Sharks edge the New York
Pitbulls 3-2.

June 2-Nov. 20, 2006: The league expands to 12 teams for the 2007
season, adding franchises in Portland, Ore.; Tokyo; Toronto; San Jose,
Calif.; Tucson, Ariz.; Orange County, Calif.; Chicago; and in Nevada.

Nov. 29, 2006: The IFL begins trading as a public company under the
OTC Bulletin Board ticker symbol (IFLI: OTC.BB).

Jan. 19, 2007: The IFL holds its inaugural regular-season event at The
Oracle Arena in Oakland, Calif., where the Toronto Lions defeat the
San Jose Razorclaws and the Southern California Condors beat the
Seattle Tiger Sharks.

Today: The IFL comes to the Everett Events Center.

Source: The IFL
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on June 08, 2007, 06:59:34 PM
I miss WA but not enough to leave Hawaii.. lol.

Shamrock and Baroni are fighting soon here is an recent interview....

http://www.mmaontap.com/mma/entry/shamrock-baroni-quotes/

Baroni is a trip..
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 08, 2007, 09:42:34 PM
Funny interview.

Any predictions on the fight?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: bjung on June 08, 2007, 11:28:48 PM
unless baroni can ko frank the way he ko'd menne (quick chain of punches...brutal to watch), i see frank fighting phil like he fought tito, constant movement on the ground, making phil work to hold him down, and then knocking him out when phil gasses...
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on June 09, 2007, 10:06:03 AM
DQ by knee to the back of the head  :-D  This one should be interesting, I totally thought that the two of them were in separate weight classes but I guess I am wrong.

Gruhn
Title: Royce Gracie tests positive for 'roids
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 14, 2007, 07:50:16 PM

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=7908
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: bjung on June 15, 2007, 12:52:11 AM
that's a damn shame :-(
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on June 16, 2007, 07:58:08 AM
I'm looking forward to the fights today.  I think Franklin has a tough fight ahead of him.

Gruhn
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 16, 2007, 08:52:40 AM
I saw that Royce is denying the use of 'hoids.  He says he was using over the counter products.  The recent case with the American who won the World title only to have it taken away, has given me a sense that these things sometimes are not cut and dried.  Let the Truth be found.
Title: Red Belt
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 19, 2007, 06:29:54 AM

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-goldstein19jun19,1,6183778.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews


HOLLYWOOD is so behind the curve on cultural trends that most fads are over before the movie biz can figure out how to exploit them. So I guess I shouldn't have been shocked to discover that someone is only now -- after Ultimate Fighting Championship has become a huge ratings champ on Spike TV, made the cover of Sports Illustrated and, most important in terms of zeitgeist cred, been mocked by both the Onion and "The Daily Show" -- making a film about the wild 'n' woolly sport that has gained a chokehold on the elusive 18-to-34 male demographic.
The picture, called "Redbelt," is shooting here in Los Angeles through the end of the month, with much of the filming at the Pyramid in Long Beach. After visiting the set last week, I asked industry-ites to guess the identity of the filmmaker who'd beaten everyone else to the punch, so to speak. An action impresario like Michael Bay? A guy's guy like Michael Mann? A sports-aholic like Mike Tollin?

Wrong, wrong and wrong again. The filmmaker who's plunged headfirst into the brutal world of ultimate fighting is ... David Mamet.

A celebrated playwright, opinionated essayist and fiercely independent filmmaker, Mamet was introduced to the sport several years ago by several enthusiasts, notably Mordecai Finley, Mamet's rabbi and a longtime jujitsu practitioner who has a part in the film as one of the undercard fighters. Fascinated by the sport, which blends the brawn of boxing and agility of kick-boxing with the art of jujitsu and the head-banging of wrestling, Mamet wrote a story that revolves around many of his favorite themes -- honor, deception and betrayal -- set in the world of mixed martial arts.

"Like everyone, I grew up with boxing, but everyone seems sick to death of it -- it's all about whether Mike Tyson was going to bite someone's ear off or not," Mamet said during a break between scenes last week. "I'm interested in going backstage into this new world, especially since everyone loves backstage movies. You could say that the story is a lot like a story about Hollywood -- it's all about honor and corruption."

Mamet grins. "In a lot of ways, it's an American samurai film. I think it's a script Kurosawa would've liked."

Mamet's script focuses on a jujitsu master, played by Chiwetel Ejiofor ("Children of Men"), who after years of refusing to fight must sacrifice his purity by going into the ring to protect his honor. The film is populated with top fighters, including Ultimate Fighting Championship legend Randy Couture, Enson Inoue and Ray Mancini, as well as John Machado, who runs a Brazilian jujitsu training school in L.A. But it also features such acting talent as Emily Mortimer and Tim Allen, as well as Mamet regulars Joe Mantegna and Ricky Jay, who plays a fight promoter who delivers such Mamet gems as "Everything in life -- the money's in the rematch."

Mamet pitched the story all over town. To his surprise, everyone passed. "I was a little dumbfounded," he admits. "I told them, 'Crunch the numbers. Look at the UFC's pay-TV ratings. See how big Randy Couture and some of the UFC stars are.' God willing, I think a lot of people are going to be surprised at how well this will do."

Looking for a buyer, Mamet went to Michael Barker and Tom Bernard, the heads of Sony Pictures Classics, the art-house specialists best known for championing foreign films from the likes of Pedro Almodóvar and Zhang Yimou. "With them, at least you're talking to the two guys who can say yes," Mamet explains. "They didn't even ask to see the script. They said, 'We'll see you at the opening.' "

Still, that's quite a culture clash, a mixed-martial arts film being financed by the guys whose business model usually involves winning Oscars with exotic foreign films. But from Sony Classic's point of view, the movie is a good bet. For $7 million, they not only get a classic Mamet drama but also one rooted in a pop culture phenomenon.

Created in the early 1990s, Ultimate Fighting Championship events were initially more sordid brawling than sport, famously dismissed by Sen. John McCain of Arizona in 1996 as "human cockfighting." The UFC was purchased in 2001 by Frank and Lorenzo Fertitta with the aid of Dana White, an ex-gym owner who is now the sport's colorful impresario. With a host of new rules and the creation of weight classes, the UFC took off, thanks in part to a weekly Spike TV reality show, "The Ultimate Fighter," which often attracts a bigger young male audience than the NBA or Major League Baseball.

The UFC is represented by the Endeavor Talent Agency, which has helped the UFC put together TV deals with HBO and ESPN. But Hollywood has been a tougher nut to crack. Initially wary of the sport because of its extreme violence, the studios have only just begun to notice the sport's passionate following among men, just as the studios have been painfully slow to react to other pop subcultures, including hip-hop, skateboarding and street racing.

White spoke derisively about Hollywood's risk-averse attitude toward ultimate fighting, saying, "They are the last in line when anything new comes along." He got early interest from several prominent producers. "But we kind of pulled back. They wanted to use the brand, and we never came to a deal. If we do a movie, we want it done right."

The UFC at one point commissioned a script itself, hiring "15 Minutes" writer-director John Herzfeld for a project that would've been released by Lionsgate. White says, "We got cold feet and pulled out" over control issues. Studio executives say they've seen a number of spec scripts, but none that captured the world in an inspired way, the way "8 Mile" did with hip-hop. "Too much of what we've seen have been 'Rocky'-style stories, which felt too clichéd," says Moritz.

Studio execs who heard Mamet's pitch said they shied away because they still felt they were getting a Mamet movie, for them a product with limited box-office appeal. Only now, with the sport booming, are projects taking shape. Universal is developing a film while New Line is close to a deal with director Gavin O'Connor ("Miracle") for a script about two friends pursuing a mixed martial-arts title fight.

===================

"For me, there's a great story that could put a microscope on the fighters' lives and capture their humanity as well as the brutality of the sport," says O'Connor, who produced an HBO documentary, "The Smashing Machine," that chronicled the struggles of fighter Mark Kerr. "But Hollywood has been very cautious. They're never ahead of the curve. They only jump on the bandwagon when something is already successful."
An ultimate fighting movie will never work if it airbrushes away the rough edges of the sport. Mamet's "Redbelt" script certainly doesn't. As Ricky Jay's fight promoter puts it: "Any two guys fighting for money. No way the fight is fair."

What seems to especially interest Mamet is the eternal conflict between art and business. In "Redbelt," the artist is Ejiofor's character, a loner who trains off-duty cops and bouncers in the art of self-defense but refuses to fight himself. As one of his friends puts it: "He can't stand the sight of money."

This is hardly the way of the new world of sport-tainment, where athleticism is often overshadowed by performance enhancement drugs and endorsement deals. Watching Mamet direct a scene one day, John Machado -- whose uncle was the founder of Brazilian jujitsu -- pondered the movie's themes, which hit especially close to home for him since he has chosen to teach instead of to fight.

"This movie could have a big impact, because it shows the love you must have for the art," he says. "My character is a businessman, so I'm part of the conflict in the movie -- and in real life. How much do you do to sell yourself without selling out?"

Perhaps that's why the studios are so late to the party with ultimate fighting. How to sell yourself without selling out is one of those questions Hollywood has never figured out how to answer.

"The Big Picture" runs every Tuesday in Calendar. E-mail questions or criticism to patrick.goldstein@latimes.com

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 19, 2007, 06:40:15 AM
Second post of the morning:  Kimbo vs. Mercer  http://www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/articles/2007/06/18/slicing_and_dicing_he_prepares_for_the_fight_of_his_life/

Any predictions on this fight?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: 5thprofession47 on June 19, 2007, 05:50:08 PM
Quote
"MMA is not barbaric," he contends. "Barbaric is when two guys want to get in the ring or in a cage and fight each other with objects. That's when it's barbaric. Right now, I've just got my hands.

Interesting quote from Kimbo.

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: SB_Mig on June 19, 2007, 07:03:56 PM
IMHO events like Kimbo/Mercer are what make the public shake their head at MMA. A fight like this is pure exhibitionism. Street brawler vs. Washed up Boxer. MMA has a hard enough time staying credible without displays like this. The majority of the audience for this one is more interested in who's giving/taking the beating than technique or style. I won't waste my time (or money) on this one.

That being said, I think Kimbo is a lock for this one. But get him into the ring with a real MMA pro or even a halfway decent fighter close to his age and he won't last a round.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on June 19, 2007, 07:59:16 PM
Dang, I didnt catch this until it was over but there was a free seminar this weekend at the new ICON gym Rigan Machado and Rico Chiapperelli were among the instructors.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: 5thprofession47 on June 20, 2007, 01:41:51 AM
I just watched an interview with David Mamet on the Fox News website. He is talking about training the actors for Redbelt, his new movie about MMA. In the interview he points out (in the background) Rico Chiapparelli, who is training some of the fighters / actors. Here's the clip:

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?051807/051807_fightgame_web&Fight_Game_Web&David%20Mamet&Fox%20News%20Fight%20Game%3A%20David%20Mamet&FOX%20Fight%20Game&-1&Entertainment&125&&&exp
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 08, 2007, 06:28:14 AM
Any comments on last night's UFC?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Howling Dog on July 08, 2007, 09:21:36 AM
Woof, Since there are rules in the UFC, I would purpose that they add a "stalling" rule, with a point deduction for excessive or persistent stalling, much like they do in wrestliing.
The reason being and the example I will give is.........On several occassions Hermes Franca "turtled up" and baiscly did nothing, except hide and cover and rest.
We also see as we also saw with Hermes stalling from the guard or at the very least, extreme inactivity. This puts the burden on the top guy to work, which I think Sean Sherk did very well, but does make for a fairly boring fight.

I think the bottom guy should have to work to improve his position, or risk losing a point, and not merly hold on.
In a different vien not really relative to the Hf vs. SS FIGHT......some guys will purposley stall with the knowledge that if nothings happening on the ground then the fighters will be stood back up....which in a lot of times is what the bottom guy wants....... merly covering up is not fighting.....If it were a stand up fight like boxing leaning on the ropes covered up would not be allowed,..... Just my opinion........
                                                                       TG
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 09, 2007, 03:40:39 PM
Comments on last nights fights?

1) I liked Bisping and didn't care for Hamill in TUF, but I thought Hamill won.
2) Crocop-Kongo:  Crocop would appear to have a hard road ahead if he continues to fight.
3) Good fight between two fine warriors.  Congrats to Rampage.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: SB_Mig on September 09, 2007, 08:20:54 PM
1) Hamill was robbed.
2) I think CroCop has 1, maybe 2 fights left before he fades into obscurity. He looked lackluster and uninterested. Kongo has been rising for a while.
3) Henderson/Rampage was great. Equal parts brawl and chessmatch. Fun to watch.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: sgtmac_46 on September 09, 2007, 08:44:08 PM
Cro-Cop came to the UFC because he never could best Fedor...if he can't make something happen in the UFC, i'd say he'll probably be leaving the fight game.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: bjung on September 09, 2007, 09:14:30 PM
1) I didn't catch that season of TUF so I don't know the background between the fighters. I thought Hamill won the fight, although I was impressed with Bisping's ability to get back up after being taken down-a bit like Chuck Liddel. At this point though I don't think either have the tools to make a go for the belt. Hamill's striking needs more polish.

2) Cro Cop was the open weight champ of a sizeable tourny; the man if you will, only a year ago. He fought way more frequently than Fedor, so give the man his due. Kongo Made CroCop seem small, plus the shots to the groin  :-o He does seem to lack the killer instinct that he's displayed in K1 and in pride. what is it that they say about fighter's recovering from a KO loss?

3) excellent fight, sorry to see hendo "lose," but wow, such skill by both, great fight. Rampage is at a peak.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: rio on September 09, 2007, 09:29:34 PM
Hamill needs waaaaay more polish. . . people think he was robbed solely on the idea that this guy was the aggressor. Pbtth! He was gassed at the end of the first round. His "throw as many haymakers as i can and keep walking forward" doesn't make him a good fighter. lots of heart maybe, A+ for effort but he's way behind the ball on technique. i wouldn't mind watching him In a few years. just because Tito likes him doesn't mean he should be in the cage. and he had stamina prob;ems even back on TUF. he's lucky he didn't take a really good punch, or he'd be whining just like he was in TRAINING back then. a collegiate wrestler that didn't even wrestle, what one leg drag, because it was fed to him.

and Bisping, obviously the more skilled of the two that night. many sub attempts, straight down the pipe punches, just not a finisher. I had no problem with the decision. but thats what happens when you let it go to decision.

maybe I'm just venting at my brother-in-law, he thinks that because Hamill didn't win it was fixed.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 10, 2007, 05:14:00 AM
Woof All:

Indeed, agreed that for many Crocop was The Man so very little ago.  Fighters' time at the top in MMA can be brief indeed! 

I really haven't seen much of Crocop's fights in Pride and know him more by rep than anything, but I was surprised at how plodding and seemingly uninformed his approach to footwork was.  Normally leftys are sharper than rightys in the the footwork/angle dynamics of mirror leads, but to my eye C. just gave the obvious angle to K. all night long and K. happily accepted.

What was the name of that strong black guy who goes nitrous?  He knocked out Jardine last time and some Brazilian guy this time.

Also, speaking of Jardine, I am surprised to see that Liddell-Jardine is a PPV headline fight, and Jackson-Henderson was free :?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on September 10, 2007, 07:37:47 PM
Houston Alexander?

*************************************

Questionable verdict
By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports
September 9, 2007

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=638272

Sounds like a rematch will be in the works.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 11, 2007, 06:37:46 AM
Yes, Houston Alexander was the name I was looking for.  Thank you.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Scotty Dog on September 11, 2007, 10:14:36 AM

Also, speaking of Jardine, I am surprised to see that Liddell-Jardine is a PPV headline fight, and Jackson-Henderson was free :?

It seems to be something to do with where the fights are held. In the UK we get all the US UFC's free but have to pay for the ones held here?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dan Farley on September 13, 2007, 12:53:10 PM
I heard a rumor that Erik Paulson has a fight coming up.  Has anybody else heard the same? 
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 13, 2007, 03:22:19 PM
Now THAT would be exciting.  I saw Erik at R1 back in August and he had dropped a considerable amount of unnecessary weight.  Indeed one might think he was looking rather fit , , ,
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 20, 2007, 02:52:55 PM
MMA has a new fan:


http://www.theguyfromboston.com/playvideo2.asp?video=PuTYJg_SYwg
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on September 20, 2007, 07:08:58 PM
Did anyone watch UFC Fight Night?  Some pretty good fights, I thought it was pretty cool that Nate Quarry thanked Leonard Trigg after he won his match.  I could be assuming the wrong person but since Nate was fighting out of Oregon Im assuming that is the same person I am thinkging about.  Professor Leonard Trigg is also the "Director and Chief Instructor of LucayLucay Kali/Jeet Kune Do Association, Lameco Eskrima International Association, Northwest Regional Director of the Thai Boxing Association of America and USA Amateur & Pro Boxing Coach of West Portland Boxing Gym."  I wonder if he worked on any FMA concepts with Nate.  I was able to attend some seminars with Prof Trigg, great guy!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sisco T. on September 20, 2007, 07:44:06 PM
 Rob,
   i was wondering the same thing about the leonard trigg comment nate made. as i'm sure you know, he no longer trains with team quest, and looking at his corner i would think he's doing his training in vegas.

  Francisco
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on September 21, 2007, 01:04:42 PM
I saw a post interview on Sherdog, I think he may have trained in Vegas and Hawaii with Chris Leben.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 23, 2007, 08:00:56 PM
What happened last night in the UFC?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on September 23, 2007, 09:44:59 PM
Here a link to a play by play on Sherdog...

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=9169 (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=9169)
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 24, 2007, 09:05:37 AM
I'm hoping for a summary-- who won, who lost, a few descriptive words-- that sort of thing.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Howling Dog on September 24, 2007, 02:49:23 PM
Woof Guro Crafty, Sitting at home on a saturday night my temptation got the best of me and I bought the fights.
I was not disappointed. It ended up being a good card with lots of upsets.

Diego Sanchez was pretty much dominated in a very techincal ground war. Jhon Fitch the former capt. of Purdue University wrestling team was a bigger stronger much more tech. wrestler. Sanchez took it well and admitted he was beaten fair and square.
 
Griffan vs. shogun Rua was a war both fighters looked to be gassed in the middle of round 2 shogun more so than Griffen......Griffen sustained a pretty good gash over his eye(what else is new) proved to be the warrior that he is, and fought much of the fight with blood in his face.
Submitted Shogun with a RNC with a few seconds left in the fight.
I was really suprised by Shoguns lack of Cardio......he also looked a litte fat IMHO.

Jardine just flat out kicked Lidells ass from start to finish....knocked him down in the sencond round with a solid left hook(I think)......the tellling damage for me was Jardines relentless attack on Lidells left leg and his left side rib cage.(Thai round kick)
If Lidell does not have broken ribs I will be suprised.
I will say one thing about Lidell he can take a beating. Not to say Lidell didn't land his shots he did.....Jardine probably out scored him at least two to one, and it appeared Lidell was wounded and unable to push the fight in the last round which is what I felt he had to do.
This ended up being a good card and worth watching.
                                                                                   TG
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 24, 2007, 09:50:32 PM
Thank you.

Anyone want to hazard a guess as to how far Houston Alexander, who dramatically left Jardine KTFO, will go?

Edited to Add:  Erik Paulson IS FIGHTING!  hdnetfights.com  8-) 8-) 8-)
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 26, 2007, 08:36:29 AM
The biz of MMA marches on:  Kimbo vs. Tank http://youtube.com:80/watch?v=ELpSoLP02x0
Title: UFC Fighter Wes "The Soldier" Combs
Post by: Maxx on September 26, 2007, 03:10:08 PM
 UFC Fighter Wes "The Soldier" Combs

Anyone ever see him fight? What happend to him? my friend told me he was a wash up fighter.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Kaju Dog on September 27, 2007, 08:47:16 AM
(Posted with written permission of Guro Crafty)
Thank you Guro Denny 8-)


Short notice, but here you go.
All are invited 


http://websterkajupit.blogspot.com/2007/08/kajupit-mma-seminar-bbq-29-sep-2007.html (http://websterkajupit.blogspot.com/2007/08/kajupit-mma-seminar-bbq-29-sep-2007.html)

KajuPit Mixed Martial Arts Seminar this weekend! 

Note:  This is not a seminar for "Sport" it is for "Street MMA" - No Rules fighting...

see link for details.  Note:  Special guest instructor will be DP GM Ted Sotelo
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Maxx on September 27, 2007, 11:20:40 AM
(Posted with written permission of Guro Crafty)
Thank you Guro Denny 8-)


Short notice, but here you go.
All are invited 


http://websterkajupit.blogspot.com/2007/08/kajupit-mma-seminar-bbq-29-sep-2007.html (http://websterkajupit.blogspot.com/2007/08/kajupit-mma-seminar-bbq-29-sep-2007.html)

KajuPit Mixed Martial Arts Seminar this weekend! 

Note:  This is not a seminar for "Sport" it is for "Street MMA" - No Rules fighting...

see link for details.  Note:  Special guest instructor will be DP GM Ted Sotelo


That's the one thing I don't like about MMA...All the rules..The Style of BJJ we train in is not for sport..
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 15, 2007, 07:40:06 PM
Any comments or predictions on the UFC this weekend?

I'm curious to see if Houston "Nitrous" Alexander can keep his explosive run going.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on November 15, 2007, 07:48:38 PM
- Rashad should win this fight.  Bisping looked horrible in his last fight and I don't seem him getting any better recently.  Rashad on the other hand has been looking better and better.

- I can see Houston running through Silva but I don't want to see it go to the ground.

- Lastly one of our "sister teams" the Bomb Squad has Tamden McCrory fighting on this card against Gono (27-12-7).  I think this will be Tamden's hardest fight yet but I do give him a strong chance of winning this one.  I have always pictured Gono as a gate keeper to the 170 division and if Tamden wins this it will be huge for the Bomb Squad!

Woof!

Gruhn
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 15, 2007, 10:05:47 PM
Which Silva is Houston fighting?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on November 16, 2007, 06:38:07 PM
Thiago Silva.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 16, 2007, 07:28:28 PM
Thank you.

What is Thiago's game like?  What is his record?  Against what level of opponent.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on November 16, 2007, 08:05:12 PM
Thiago is undefeated at 11-0 with the majority of his wins by knockout however he is known for being a world class jiu-jitsu guy.  He trains with Chute Box out of Brazil so I am sure his stand up has been well tested over the years.  However, IMHO I just don't see Houston loosing in this match up unless it goes to the ground.  Thiago hasn't fought anyone with the striking skills of HA.

Gruhn
Title: Uriah Faber "The California Kid"
Post by: Maxx on December 06, 2007, 09:45:53 PM
Uriah Faber "The California Kid"...Have any of you guys seen this guy fight on WEC vs?
This guy is BAD lol! He is a hard fighter. If you have not seen him go to work..Check him out on you tube. He is going to be fighting again Wed night at 9:00pm.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: rio on December 08, 2007, 08:58:51 AM
i seen Uriah fight @ king of the cage a few years back. great takedowns, works till the end... keep a lookout for "Cub" Swanson fighting Jens.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Tom Stillman on December 08, 2007, 03:21:23 PM
Out of all the fighters I have seen,  I think Fedor Emelianenko(spelling?) was the most interesting fighter to watch.  First off, one wouldn't think he was as tuff as he is at first glance. I have not followed the MMA game for some time now but, when it comes to transitioning from one technique to another, I feel Fedor is a master. He is one of my favorite fighters of all time. 8-)      DT
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Maxx on December 12, 2007, 08:30:26 PM
Jens Pulver beat Cub pretty damn fast tonight. A few seconds into the first round. Uriah Faber "The California Kid"...Won again tonight and was making moves up in the ring and making them work. That guy is a amazing fighter.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 18, 2007, 10:22:42 PM
Shogun and Ninja leave Chute Boxe
 
 
Team makes statement regarding fighters' departure

Shortly after GRACIEMAG.com published, first hand, the news regarding Murilo Ninja’s departure from Chute Boxe, the team from Curitiba released a briefing on its official site announcing that Mauricio Shogun to would be leaving the team.

“We regret very much the departure of Murilo and Mauricio Rua, they are fighters brought up in the team and left to start their own team in the USA. We’d like to remind them that the doors to Chute Boxe shall always be open for both of them and we wish them luck and success in their new endeavors,” stated Rudimar Fedrigo, who leads Chuteboxe along with Rafael Cordeiro.

Check out the bulletin first published early this afternoon on GRACIEMAG.com:


After Wanderlei Silva and Andre Dida’s departure, Chute Boxe loses another one of its big stars. As ascertained by GRACIEMAG.com, Murilo Ninja, who submitted the Frenchman Xavier Foupa-Pokan at Cage Rage 24, on the first of the month, has called it quits with the team from Curitiba.

Ninja, along with his brother Mauricio Shogun, was a symbol of Chute Boxe for many years at Pride, when they displayed for the world aggressive muay thai, enchanting the Japanese and making the academy popular. Ninja will be back in the cage in March for EliteXC, the event in which he will fight for four more times, aside from disputing the Cage Rage belt this coming July.

“I left the academy. I’m putting together my own team, in Massachusetts, USA. I spoke with Rudimar (Fedrigo) on Friday, it was a friendly departure, no worries. It was better for me, my career is short and I don’t earn big purses, so I have to look out for what is best for me and my future. Next week I’ll take a better look at the details regarding my new team: Name, structure, those things. I don’t know about my brother, what I know is that I left,” said Ninja in finishing.

http://www.graciemag.com/news/144/ARTICLE/8944/2007-12-18.html
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 21, 2007, 11:37:57 AM
Vanerlei sparring to get ready for Liddell-- is this sparring partner the right body type?  Isn't Liddell taller than V.?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZrm7sZQsp8
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on December 21, 2007, 12:32:41 PM
Wand is going to get KTFO'ed if he continues to let that left hand drop to his waist when throwing the right hand.

Gruhn
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 23, 2007, 09:28:24 PM
http://www.insidefighting.com/betwee....aspx?uid=3534

“The Shovel and the Epee”: Striking in Boxing and MMA - 4/10/2007
by Sam Sheridan

 

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As Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) skyrockets in popularity, the resistance of mainstream media outlets (Sports Illustrated and ESPN) has historically probably been due to a fear of pro-wrestling combined with old-school boxing writers lack of understanding. Boxing writers love boxing; and they often feel, correctly, that MMA fighters usually aren’t the best boxers.

They may not realize that the guy in there who is boxing so badly is an Olympic wrestler and submission expert—but strict boxing fans mentally “turn-off” the moment the fight hits the ground, and so are unable to appreciate the skill and art of ground-fighting. “Ground-and-pound” is a rough art. But MMA fans who “get” the ground game will take as much joy from a ground war as they will a stand-up one.

There is more to the debate, however—MMA striking is fundamentally different than boxing, for a variety of reasons. Over years of observing the sport, I kept noticing pro boxers making the switch to MMA and getting ‘out-struck.’ When Jens Pulver fought Takanori Gomi in 2004 in Pride, Jens had been winning pro boxing fights and knocking people out; I thought there was no way in hell Gomi could stand with him, but Jens was outgunned by a bigger man and lost by TKO.

Yosuke Nishijima, a former NABO Cruiserweight Champion with a pro boxing record of 24-2-1 went 0-4 in Pride, a top MMA organization. He went into the clinch with Evangelista “Cyborg” Santos and was throwing body shots while Cyborg threw knees—much heavier.

More recently, Drew Mcfedries with 5 MMA fights out-struck Alessio Sakara, who had won professional and amateur boxing titles in Italy. Drew is explosive and iron-chinned, but it was still an interesting result.

I recently had a long internet discussion with Carlo Rotella, a professor at Boston College who wrote “Cut Time,” a terrific book in which he established himself as one of the great thinkers and writers on boxing—I avidly pursued him with the intention of picking his brain. He isn’t an MMA fan, although he may be starting to come around. I tried to explain some of the differences that I noticed, and some of the reasons that pro boxers might get out-struck in MMA. The “stand-up” part of MMA isn’t boxing, or kick-boxing or Muay Thai—it’s its own thing.

First, the gloves: the 4 ounce gloves used in MMA cut very easily, and they give a lot more guys “a puncher’s chance.” Almost everyone is heavy-handed with those on, flash knock-downs happen all the time.

Just ask George St. Pierre—I doubt anyone had warned him about the devastatingly heavy-hands of Matt Serra before Serra upset St. Pierre by TKO last Saturday to win the UFC welterweight title. In boxing, a guy is a “puncher” or he’s not—but in MMA, almost everybody’s a “puncher.”

In boxing, defensive stylists like Winky Wright can catch punches on their gloves, but that won’t fly in MMA, not with the little gloves. Likewise James Toney’s defensive masterpieces, the shoulder roll and catching shots on the top of his head, won’t work.

Another friend, a boxer, had said that “boxers learn to roll with punches” which is true, and can mitigate a lot of the power when you get caught clean—but with the little gloves, I think rolling with punches is minimally effective. There’s not much to roll with.


 
The defensive techniques of masterful boxers like James Toney would have to be adjusted for MMA.

The more important difference between MMA and boxing is range, and the biggest modifier to range is the take-down. The biggest, most decisive single attack in MMA, the take-down and defending it are HUGELY important. You can’t stand in the pocket and shoulder-roll and bob and weave, because your opponent will drop (“change levels”) and take you down; and he’ll end up on top, a hugely advantageous position.

To avoid being taken down, you have to keep your distance and be ready to “sprawl” out, to keep your legs away from an opponent’s grasping hands. Beautiful, flowing, fluid combination punching leaves you in range to be taken down.

You can’t take a wide stance, or plant your feet without increasing the danger of your legs getting snatched out from under you. In fact, without boxing’s strict rules about the clinch, combination punching might never have evolved to the point it is at today.

Of course, kicking and kneeing also changes the range, and punching in MMA becomes a little more like jousting—you’ve got to come in with straight punches and get out. Chuck Liddell’s striking is pretty much unquestionably the best in MMA at 205 pounds, and boxers look at him and think he looks terrible. Floyd Mayweather recently commented during a media teleconference that “UFC ain't nothing but a f_king fad. Anybody can go out there and street fight. If they think (UFC light heavyweight champion) Chuck Liddell is so good, we should take Chuck Liddell and take a good heavyweight under Mayweather promotions….” And he even offered a million dollars of his own money. All the diatribe does is reveal Mayweather’s ignorance, because Chuck is emphatically not boxing.

I won’t pretend to understand Chuck’s striking, but some factors are an understanding of power and leverage, finding angles on his punches, taking excellent angles with his feet and body, and most importantly perhaps his accuracy and “pop.” He throws his winging shots, his looping punches, as hard as he can; and he’s a sniper.

He’s got a set of whiskers, he’s impossible to take down, and he comes with a barrage of hard accurate punches the moment he gets an opening. His form is loose and open because MMA striking is an open game.

Chuck is a good striker for MMA—he’s not the best striker in the world. But put Vitali Klitschko in there with a decent MMA heavyweight and see if he goes two minutes before he’s on his back being submitted.

Chuck’s a great striker, but he’s still an MMA fighter; put him in there with Floyd’s heavyweight and if he’s losing the stand-up he’ll take the boxer down and pound him out, or even (Heaven forbid) submit him.

There sometimes can be slowness to MMA striking match—the third Tim Sylvia vs. Andre Arlovski fight comes to mind, which was a very technical and interesting fight, despite the booing. First of all, you’ve got two heavyweights who have knocked each other out, so they’ve got to be careful.

In ‘old-time’ bare-fisted prize-fighting, fighters would throw 2-3 punches a minute, something that the modern 3-minute round system and gloves (in boxing) has completely changed . MMA, with the longer 5-minute round and the tiny gloves, has taken us a step back on that road.

The gloves are closer to bare-fisted, and cut much more readily. Mario Sperry, a legendary Brazilian fighter who trained under Carlson Gracie and founded Brazilian Top Team, reminisced to me about the old Vale Tudo (“anything goes” in Portuguese) fights without gloves, that they were “bloodbaths.” Sylvia and Arlovski played a very technical little game of range and motion, a game of fractions of an inch, for 5 five-minute rounds.

I’ve heard some trainers say that too much pure boxing is actually bad for MMA fighting—you get used to the close range, you get into the mentality that you can “take one to give one.”

When I raised these points with Professor Rotella, he responded, “that the gloves allow for a level of sophistication and development in striking--in both quantity of punches thrown and quality of the complexity of technique--that far exceeds the more direct and sometimes more lethal striking in MMA.

“It's sort of like a genius of the epee [a thin fencing sword] getting his clock cleaned by a guy with a shovel. The epee's great in a swordfight, but in a different kind of fight the shovel might be just the thing. Doesn't make the epee any less beautiful, nor does it make high-level fencing any less sophisticated, and a guy with a shovel isn't going to last long in a straight swordfight, but the fact that the lovely epee and all the richness of technique that has grown up around it might be the wrong tool for the job in certain circumstances is a testament to the variety of leverage, distance, and decisiveness in different fighting styles.”

I think this is very true (and well-written), boxing striking is more beautiful and elegant than MMA striking. It may have something to do with “use,” those boxers spend their whole lives working in that small arena, essentially toe-to-toe, trying to hit without getting hit. They become masterful at it, and move into the realm of “poetry-in-motion.”

Carlo’s comments reveal some of the old bias (c’mon, an epee versus a shovel?) but there are some interesting truths behind it. He talks about using the right tool for the job, and in MMA the right tool is quite different than the boxing tool.

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 28, 2007, 02:54:13 PM
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3vo9j_ufc-all-access-wanderlei-silva_sport

Vanderlei gets ready-- Chuck had best be very ready.

Any predictions?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Maxx on December 31, 2007, 10:33:25 AM
How did Silvia lose this fight? I have not seen anything on You tube yet but people are saying it was fixed. Silvia knocked him down or something and did not attack. Anyone got video on this?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on December 31, 2007, 02:26:06 PM
From Sherdog:
Chuck Liddell (Pictures), the former UFC light heavyweight champion, and Wanderlei Silva (Pictures), the former PRIDE middleweight king ended years of frustration by locking horns and granting fight fans across the globe their wish of seeing the dangerous 205-pound fighters square off.

Liddell and Silva tore right into each other from the outset and from the way the two were delivering pulverizing punches, it seemed like the bout was one strike away from being stopped at any moment.

Silva was rocked in the first period and stumbled into the fence only to miraculously fend off Liddell with a bomb or two of his own, which caused "The Iceman" to stagger backward. The times that both men were on the verge of being sent to sleep were too numerous to count. Without question, the two future Hall of Famers delivered more than expected and for once, a fight of this magnitude more than lived up to the hype.

Silva was all but out at least twice in the opening round, but he was unbelievably able to shake off the cobwebs and bounce back.

"He had a lot better chin than I thought he did," a worn and battered Liddell said with a chuckle after the war. "I hit him with a lot of shots real hard. He still kept coming. I hurt him a few times during the fight, but he just covered up and kept coming. … I had him hurt a little bit but he recovers quick."

Liddell, now 21-5, was dropped legitimately once and taken off his feet another time, but for reasons only the fight gods know, he endured. Silva was cut badly over his right eye and his cheeks swelled considerably. Liddell had scrapes under both eyes and an inflated bottom lip.

Both men were exhausted in the latter stages of the fracas, but still they managed to swing for the fences until the final bell sounded. It was still anybody's guess as to whether the fight would last the allotted three rounds. Liddell, 38, even managed to score two perfect double-leg takedowns.

Silva has always had that uncanny ability to recover within seconds of being on the verge of unconsciousness, as does Liddell. But what kept both men coming back for more attrition was their heart and desire to win.

"It would have been a travesty if both of us didn't fight, because it was a great fight for the fans," Liddell said of the fight that seemed destined to never materialize. "We're just swinging. That's just good old fashioned stand there and bang each other."

Liddell was able to stave off a third defeat in as many fights, but the same can't be said about "The Axe Murderer." Silva has now been the recipient of three frightful beatings, two by brutal knockout. Silva didn't discuss his future in the sport, though he did agree with the official scoring of the contest. Liddell won the unanimous nod by the margins of 30-27 (twice) and 29-28.

"He's a very tough guy," said a disappointed Silva, whose record fell to 31-8-1 with one No Contest.

"I give my best," the 31-year-old Brazilian continued. "Win or lose for me. I like to give the emotion for my fans. Here and everywhere."
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 31, 2007, 04:20:49 PM
Woof Max:

You need to start hanging out somewhere with a higher IQ about these things  :lol:  For example, here  :lol:  Anyone who thinks that fight was fixed is so far into the realm of double digit IQ that he is in sight of single digit IQ  :-P

I had not seen many of VS's Pride fights and knew him more by reputationI was surprised by VS's lack of tactics/technique for closing.  The footage I saw of his fight prep sparring had him with someone his own height-- CL is about 3" taller than VS and is unusually good at hitting with power while moving, even while moving backwards on angles.  I had no sense that VS had thought about this or prepared for it.

OTOH I thought Matt Hughes came in with a sound strategy for closing: shift to right lead to nullify GSP's formidable left inside leg kicks (something which few people can do without getting counter-rushed) and go for the ankle pick or single leg.  With this he could have come down in side control and perhaps done very well.  In short, an intelligent and valid strategy.  The problem though was that GSP's footwork and intelligence in his footwork was simply too awesome-- as was everything else.  Truly outstanding performance by GSP, who also impresses as a class act to boot.  MH, whom I don't care for from his performance as a coach on TUF, I thought handled his defeat well and graciously.

BTW Original Dog Brother Sled Dog helped train GSP.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on December 31, 2007, 08:30:54 PM
WAND VS. CHUCK:

First off, Wand has one decent chin, insane.  I have decided that for now on I am not going to pick fights until 20 seconds into the first round.  It really all depends on their mindset at the beginning of the fight.  If Wand was the same guy as he was in his first two Pride fights he would have won vs. Chuck.  However, he wasn't.  Very timid, waiting for Chuck to close, etc.  Nothing like the Wand we have seen in the past in fact he was pawned directly into Chuck's game.  Chuck does a very good job of picking people apart while back pedaling and then turning the corner and putting them against the fence.

MH VS. GSP:

Very interesting how much MH has favored switching leads recently and it hasn't just been in his fighting.  He specifically used this strategy in several of the fights on the reality show.  It is too bad no one has exposed some useful footwork to him out of this structure (more on the members forum when I get a chance).  I also was happy to hear Joe call out GSP on his ability to use his footwork to move, not putting the heels down, toes facing forward, etc.  Main attributes I have been building into my fighters for years has finally started to go main stream.  I really hope more pro fighters start to catch on.

Man, so much more I have to add but little time.  BTW, HOLY COW WITH THE RECENT FEDOR FIGHT!

Woof,

Gruhn
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Maxx on January 01, 2008, 09:54:23 AM
@ Crafty - That's why I asked. LOL..You get second hand know and wind. I was hoping Wan would have won.  :-D
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on January 26, 2008, 01:20:06 AM
Wow.. I might be late on the news but Frank Shamrock vs Cung Le is set for March.
Also.. There was a Savate Stylist on Showtime Elite XC

Anyone see it?  His kicks to the outside of the thigh definitely hurt his opponent, who happened to be a local fighter (Kala Kolohe) from Waianae and is scheduled to fight Robbie Lawler.
Unfortunately he didn't utilize the kicks as much as he should have been because he let the shorter opponent get in too close and land a straight right to the chin.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Maxx on February 02, 2008, 04:11:39 PM
Anyone going to watch Brock Lesner against frank Meir tonight?

Who do you got your 5 on? 

I was thinking Frank would pretty much carve though Brock but now I am starting to think that brock might be alittle to powerful..Not to sure who is gonna win this one but I hope Frank Chokes out this WWF drop out.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 02, 2008, 05:22:02 PM
My guess is that the UFC sees Mir as the goldfish.  Much $$$ to be made with Lesner and Mir still has name, but sans roids and post accident he may not be what he was.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Maxx on February 02, 2008, 10:17:33 PM
I am sorry I have to ask this but what is "sans roids"

And I just read that Frank Beat WWE star

UFC 81 Results: Frank Mir Beats Brock Lesnar

Thank god!


"Round 1: The fighters come out of their corners. Lesnar scores a quick take down on Mir and quickly pases Mir's guard. Lesnar strikes Mir in the back of the head and is deducted a point. The fighters stand back up. Mir is dropped by Lesnar! Mir gets a leg lock. Lesnar taps!!! It's over!"
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on February 03, 2008, 06:42:42 AM
Quote
I am sorry I have to ask this but what is "sans roids"

sans = "without"

Gruhn
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Maxx on February 03, 2008, 09:56:59 AM
Mir was on Roids?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Maxx on February 03, 2008, 11:10:02 AM
Here is a link to the fight. It ended right quick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGMDq4DDf6s&watch_response
Title: Edwards vs Berto
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 18, 2008, 12:04:31 PM
http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/142954/Edwards-vs-Berto.html?rh=197595

Excellent fight between two good fighters of whom I've never heard.

OTOH, Kimbo vs. Tank was a joke.  Duh, what a surprise.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Howling Dog on February 18, 2008, 12:13:48 PM
Woof Guro Crafty,......That was a good fight!! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Edwards vs Berto
Post by: Maxx on February 20, 2008, 03:44:07 PM
http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/142954/Edwards-vs-Berto.html?rh=197595

Excellent fight between two good fighters of whom I've never heard.

OTOH, Kimbo vs. Tank was a joke.  Duh, what a surprise.

I would have to agree that fight was pretty awesome. Both really good fighters and that knee was mighty sweet at the end. I watched the Kimbo and Tank fight and I thought it was pretty cool for what it was.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: rio on February 20, 2008, 07:47:05 PM
c'mon guys, Yves Edwards has been around for a long, long time. give him some credit granted he's been a wanderer but he's with Top Team. now Edson, i've never heard . . .

what about a match up between Kimbo and Chieck . . .
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Maxx on March 21, 2008, 10:56:09 AM
Serra determined to silence critics


Posted by Gareth A. Davies on 21 Mar 2008  at 11:42

Mixed martial artist Matt Serra, Long Island wunderkind, UFC world title holder at 170lbs, is peeved. Seriously peeved. He beat Georges St-Pierre, one of the UFC's most popular fighters, in a first round KO to earn the title almost a year ago, and yet the critics are questioning his credentials.

Look as close as you like, is his theory at present. He'll prove it all over again in Montreal on April 19, when the pair face each other once more in the Octagon.
Last November, fighting was the last thing on his mind after two herniated discs in his back forced him to withdraw from his UFC 79 bout with Matt Hughes.
"When you can't get out of a chair or out of bed and your wife is helping you put your socks and shoes on, of course, negative things pop into your head."
Serra knows he will have to be at his best against St-Pierre, whom he defeated a year ago. St-Pierre has come strong since, with triumphs over Josh Koscheck and Matt Hughes.
Serra explained: "It is like that first fight (against St-Pierre) never, ever happened. It is crazy! Last year may have been an upset but, believe me, it was no fluke."
Critics have said the first round KO was a lucky punch. "What is a 'lucky punch'? Who do these people think I was trying to punch in the face if not Georges? Seriously - where did the luck come into it? I got him hurt and didn't let him off the hook. Seriously, you tell me, if you aim at something, and then hit it time and time again, was it luck or did you just do what you were trying to do?
"Whether or not people think I am going to win this fight or not, that's fine, it is all about opinion and I respect that. But what's not a matter of opinion is that I beat GSP last April."
Why, then, is his record underrated? "I'm not a guy who blames anyone or anything but himself for a loss, I don't make excuses and I don't let other makes excuses for me.
"I've learned from my losses, from my mistakes. I learned in the Karo Parisyan fight not to jump in and ruin my own work. I hurt him bad - I don't think he's ever been hurt like that while standing - but I went a bit crazy trying to get him out of there and wound up getting gassed out and he beat me on points because I couldn't do anything in the last round. I learned from that and when I had GSP hurt I didn't go crazy, I picked my shots."
Serra reflects. "Looking back, if I'd beat Karo I'd probably have got a title shot too early. Instead I got to go on TUF and then get the title shot when I was ready.
"Look at my losses - who dominated me? Who kicked my butt? No-one. I've never got beat like I beat GSP. All my losses were close or I was winning the fight and got caught. I took my licks and came back better, no excuses, I came back."
Serra, who may yet get the chance within the next 12 months to fight in New York, as UFC work to set up a commission in the state and develop sanctioning facilities there, knows, however, that he will be treading on glass in the Lion's Den in Montreal, with 22,000 fans baying like a pack for local hero St-Pierre.
"I've fought in pressure fights and I've fought when it seemed the whole world was on my shoulders. Let me tell you - this is not one of those fights!
"No-one is even talking about this as a fight, just an occasion with 22,000 fans watching GSP win 'his' title back. All the pressure is on GSP. He has to live up to all this bull about himself, he has to step into the Octagon with a man who KO'd him last time. I'm fighting a guy I beat inside one round. Where's the pressure?
"No-one is looking at me to do anything, for whatever reason, so there's zero pressure on me. I can't wait. What are people going to say when I beat him again. Do I become the god of MMA then? Or will people then pretend both fights didn't exist and didn't happen? A lot of people are going to look very stupid after I beat him again."
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: rio on March 21, 2008, 06:41:16 PM
Serra is a fluke. he's a typical New Yawka with an attitude like Renzo. loud mouth and all. and Drago walks his same shoes. when push comes to shove, he don't got the stuff.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: selfcritical on March 22, 2008, 09:58:49 AM
No, Serra has done very well against other a-list fighters. He hung very well with BJ Penn(who to this day says it was one of his more difficult fights), he hurt Karo Parisyan very badly, and he used superior strategy to beat GSP. The gameplan he beat GSP with is EXACTLY, to the letter, the way his striking coach Ray Longo described their strategy prior to the fight(essentially to continually give GSP the fear of being taken down and strike into him while he's looking for the shot). While GSP has superior fighting attributes, Serra exploited a hole in his game and put him away.

Now, that being said. GSP has shown marked improvement and aggression with his wrestling skills since that fight, and this would probably close up that hole. If GSP crowds serra early, and remains confident in his standup due to the certainty that Serra cannot execute a takedown on him(he can't), then Serra will have to be very clever indeed to win.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 22, 2008, 10:44:10 AM
I enjoyed Serra's coaching persona on TUF.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: selfcritical on March 22, 2008, 12:33:59 PM
You mean actually working on strategies instead of conducting bible study?

I enjoyed that too
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 22, 2008, 04:27:30 PM
Not only that, but that bit about MH seeing himself like Ester was a tad bizarre I thought, and generally I did not care for his coaching personality at all.  I also did not like the way the show made the guys from Serra's team have to go over to Hughes's team or the way MH belittled them for their feeling weird about it.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: rio on March 29, 2008, 09:24:42 PM
CUNG, CUNG, CUNG, CUNG, CUNG, CUNG . . . .Cung Lee rocks!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on March 30, 2008, 01:10:18 AM
I thought the fight was good.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 30, 2008, 11:51:27 AM
I enjoyed that fight quite a bit.  Impressive to see CL challenge the MMA received wisdom about kicking.  I thought his understanding of unmatched lead to be very high.

Thoughts on why FS did not go for clinch/ground with more determination?

I have not cared for FS's personality over the years, but thought he handled defeat well.  Interesting to see what a man is made of in such a moment , , ,
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: selfcritical on April 05, 2008, 03:05:56 PM
Although his use was a little bit different than displayed in for example Kali Tudo(or most filipino empty hand stuff i've done) due to his different tools. Cung would often allow his opponent to get their lead foot outside of his and begin spiraling(what I would normally think of as a dominant angle for his opponent), but his use of sidekick as a stop-hit allowed him to invert the strategy at times.

Anderson Silva utilizes what I would consider a very similar understanding of angles, but with tools i'm more familiar with.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on June 10, 2008, 08:45:02 PM
Here is the press release about the gym we just opened up in State College!


Mixed Martial Arts LANDS “BIG” in STATE COLLEGE, PA-

-Establishment of 19,000 square foot MMA Training Center

State College, PA-  LionHeart Professional Management and Promotions Inc. enters the field of professional mixed martial arts announcing the acquisition of a 19,000 sq ft MMA training facility and the establishment of Team LionHeart in downtown State College, PA.

Located at 127 Sowers Street, just blocks off Penn State’s Main Campus and home to one of the best NCAA Division I wrestling programs in the country, the facility will include a 22 ft octagon, a 24 ft boxing ring, 6,000 sq ft of MMA mat space, and 8,000 sq ft of Hammer Strength, Free Weights and Aerobic Equipment making it one of the largest and best equipped MMA training facilities East of the Mississippi. 

Owner Chad Dubin, says the majority of reputable MMA training camps and facilities are currently located in the Midwest and Western states.  “There’s clearly a demand for a facility of this kind on the East Coast.  Fighters who are serious about having successful, professional MMA careers as well as young athletes on their way up, now have access to elite coaching, state of the art facilities and professional career management, all in one location.”

Dubin also believes that many young MMA fighters find it difficult to transition into the professional ranks because their day jobs keep them out of the gym.  “LionHeart will aggressively pursue a unique career development strategy for our fighters which includes event planning, targeted fundraising, and grass-roots fan base development.  We will groom young fighters for professional careers and create an environment where professionals will become champions.”

LionHeart is well positioned to benefit from 2 significant factors: 1) the PA State Gaming Commission’s decision to sanction professional MMA events; and  2) Pennsylvania has the largest population of wrestlers and wrestling fans in the country.

Team LionHeart’s staff includes coaches specialized in grappling, striking, jiu-jitsu, muay-thai, wrestling and strength and conditioning.

Fighters and coaches interested in learning more about the opportunities at LionHeart should contact Chad Dubin at (814) 280-1982 or chad@lionheartfighters.com.

For further information visit:  www.lionheartfighters.com


Woof!

Gruhn
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 11, 2008, 05:09:18 AM
Woof Dog Ryan:

Where do you fit in all that?

Guro C.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on June 11, 2008, 08:26:14 AM
Crafty,
  I am the head striking coach.  I teach Muay Thai and Boxing to our fighters.  I am also the head instructor for all of the striking classes we hold at the gym for the public; Women's Kickboxing, Boxing, Muay Thai, MMA along with Youth Martial Arts and obviously Filipino Martial Arts.  Jeff Rockwell is teaching Jiu-Jitsu to our fighters and is teaching the ground portion of the MMA classes.  We also have on staff, several All American wrestlers to teach wrestling along with some excellent strength and conditioning coaches.  I've spent the majority of my time, and plan on spending the majority of my time training the fighters and bringing top level instruction to the public classes.

Woof!

Gruhn
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: rio on June 11, 2008, 09:35:22 PM
ryangruhn,

does that include the aerobodancing? . . .
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Kaju Dog on June 11, 2008, 10:56:37 PM
No, Serra has done very well against other a-list fighters. He hung very well with BJ Penn(who to this day says it was one of his more difficult fights), he hurt Karo Parisyan very badly, and he used superior strategy to beat GSP. The gameplan he beat GSP with is EXACTLY, to the letter, the way his striking coach Ray Longo described their strategy prior to the fight(essentially to continually give GSP the fear of being taken down and strike into him while he's looking for the shot). While GSP has superior fighting attributes, Serra exploited a hole in his game and put him away.

Now, that being said. GSP has shown marked improvement and aggression with his wrestling skills since that fight, and this would probably close up that hole. If GSP crowds serra early, and remains confident in his standup due to the certainty that Serra cannot execute a takedown on him(he can't), then Serra will have to be very clever indeed to win.

Good post!  Well put... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on June 11, 2008, 11:01:27 PM
ryangruhn,

does that include the aerobodancing? . . .

For you Rio, anything  :-D
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Kaju Dog on June 11, 2008, 11:03:01 PM
Dog Ryan,

What type of, and how do you work the Doc side of the house...  This is an area that I would love to learn more about and would be interested in steering my career in that direction.

Feel free to PM me or call if you like...  

I have been thinking about that for some time but have yet to research it at all...  Whats your knowledge and or do you have a contact that I can get with to do some brain picking???

Thanks in advance for any input...  This question is also open to others that may have some insight into the matter.

What are the pre-req's, and steps to take, etc.

I hope this makes sense...   "sleep typing" :lol:
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on June 11, 2008, 11:04:31 PM
Doc?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Howling Dog on June 12, 2008, 10:46:24 AM
Gruhn, congrats on your new adventure!! Hope that works out well for you.
Heres another pretty big MMA gym on the east coast :-D...

http://www.americantopteam.com/home.php
                                                                           TG
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Kaju Dog on June 12, 2008, 01:21:34 PM
Doc?

My bad...  Yip "Doctor"  / cut man, etc.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on June 12, 2008, 06:46:07 PM
I've always kept up on my guys cuts but honestly don't know much about the art.  I'd like to see someone like "Stitch" put out a DVD on what he does and why he does it.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on June 22, 2008, 02:20:35 PM
Phil Davis won his Debut last night by knockout in the first minute of the first round!

Go Phil!

Gruhn
Title: UFC 86
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 06, 2008, 07:40:36 AM
Comments on last night's fights?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on July 06, 2008, 09:36:23 AM
Rampage should have rushed Forrest "Tito" style in the first round and G&P'ed him like what happened when Forrest fought Keith J.  I have no clue why Rampage was soo timid.  I also think that Forrest could have finished the fight much earlier if he would have continued with the leg kicks.  This was a perfect example of how effective they are and why no one should stay so flat footed (Rampage). 

Props to BTT Canada and everyone at GAMMA!  That was a big win for Cote.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sisco T. on July 07, 2008, 03:33:43 PM
       i REALLY like griffin, but i don't think he took that belt from jackson. it was close, MAYBE he did out point jackson, but i don't think he took  that belt. one of the judges didn't even have jackson winning the 1st round & i believe 1, if not 2, judges gave griffin a 10-8 for the 2nd round-i just don't see it. he DID have a DOMINANT position in that 2nd round, but he did nothing with it.. there are a lot of fights when a ref has stood fighters up in similar sitiuations. again i didn't see griffin with ANY effort to finish(which is supposed to be huge in judging criteria) even in that 2nd round. jackson did alot of damage to forrest in ea. exchange they had trying desperately to finish him. the only damage i see that griffin did to jackson was the leg kick that hurt rampage in the 2nd(though it did affect him for the rest of the fight), while i saw griffin repeatedly rocked throughout the rounds from rampage. again his sticking and moving MAY have outpionted jackson but with jackson being a damaged fighter i never felt like griffin really took that fight over and dominate rampage or try to stop quinton jackson much less taking the belt from the champion. while rampage was a LIMP fighter i saw more damage he'd do to griffin and more effort to try and fininsh the fight.

  Francisco
Title: Watching the UFC
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 08, 2008, 06:12:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXNroQ1-dWs
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on July 08, 2008, 07:17:03 AM
TAAAAPPPPP!!!!!

Great Find Crafty =)
Title: Re: Watching the UFC
Post by: peregrine on July 08, 2008, 10:19:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXNroQ1-dWs

That's hilarious.
Hate to say it, but i've seen a few of those around here. Ridiculous to the point of...walking around the mall with their mouthpiece in their ear.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: PhilipG on July 08, 2008, 04:22:49 PM
Thanks for the Congrats, Ryan.

We were pretty happy about Cote's win also.

Next up, perhaps a title shot.

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on July 20, 2008, 10:59:52 AM
Nice Panatukan upper cut by AA last night:

http://www.fightreport.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/andrei-arlovski_ben-rothwell.gif
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 20, 2008, 04:26:06 PM
I'm in Toronto and we caught the UFC freebie on the big screen at a restaurant-bar.  Possibly the most boring card I have ever seen.   There was a good Peruvian necktie and one hellacious eyejab-- but the rest was a giant snore.

I can't watch the AA clip here on the hotel computer, that will have to wait until I am back in LA.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Ronin on July 21, 2008, 05:19:07 AM
I'm in Toronto and we caught the UFC freebie on the big screen at a restaurant-bar.  Possibly the most boring card I have ever seen.   There was a good Peruvian necktie and one hellacious eyejab-- but the rest was a giant snore.

I can't watch the AA clip here on the hotel computer, that will have to wait until I am back in LA.


Kevin's finger (thumb?) jab was a crappy end to an OK fight, but it did prove one thing, finger pokes to work, even when accidental.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Maxx on August 01, 2008, 02:14:17 PM
Anyone have any thoughts on the Heath Herring Vs Brock fight at ufc 87?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 10, 2008, 05:15:06 AM
One of the better UFC cards in a while last night IMHO.

Brock Lesnar showed tremendous improvement over his last outing which I suspect is due to having both Eric Paulsen and Greg Nelson in his corner  :-o  Herring gets the Rocky award.

GSP continues to amaze and balls of steel award, jaw of steel award and conditioning award to Fitch for being the warrior to let him show it.  Great respect between the two at the end of the fight.  Perhaps Sled Dog can give us some background on GSP's fight preps?

Just before Manny Gamburian got dropped I said "He sure is looking straight up and down with his chin out , , ,"  MG is very good and surely must be sorely disappointed with himself.

Other good fights too, but the names slip my mind at the moment.

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on August 10, 2008, 07:06:57 AM
Props to KenFlo for bringing the respect back into the cage as well.  I'd like to see more of this in the future out of other fighters.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: peregrine on August 10, 2008, 09:41:09 AM

Brock Lesnar showed tremendous improvement over his last outing which I suspect is due to having both Eric Paulsen and Greg Nelson in his corner  :-o 

GSP continues to amaze and balls of steel award, jaw of steel award and conditioning award to Fitch for being the warrior to let him show it.  Great respect between the two at the end of the fight.  Perhaps Sled Dog can give us some background on GSP's fight preps?

Brock is sure lucky to have such great trainers in his corner. Greg Nelson helped make numerous champions on top of his own athletic endeavors. Erik Paulsons game is and coaching is unreal as well.
I hope to see dramatic improvements in Brock as time goes on.
CD what do you think of that straight right? It appeared Herring was firmly rooted with chin down, but went flying like a rag doll. Maybe he wasn't as rooted as it appeared?
I continue to wonder why the occipatal slap is not used, especially on the ground when the back of the head is exposed.

GSPs spinning backhand was perfectly set up along with numerous other techniques.

Huerta i lost a beer bet over him. He was outclassed and slow to counter. He'd block and move, asses then engage, example that thai kick. Not block, instantly counter.  His superman punch was lame, he pump faked it so many times it was overused.

Chek Kongo looked big. More work on the cage takedowns. His midsection was wide open as he was bending at the hips. He seems very classy post fight.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on August 10, 2008, 11:09:10 AM
Quote
I continue to wonder why the occipatal slap is not used, especially on the ground when the back of the head is exposed.

Because it is illegal.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 11, 2008, 11:59:05 AM
"CD what do you think of that straight right?"

I thought it extremely telegraphed.  :lol:  Watch it in slo-mo.  His hand virtually dropped to his hip before throwing.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Maxx on September 07, 2008, 11:34:14 AM
Old School way to deal with BJJ 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19Dz8arDKs4

Nut shots
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Maxx on September 07, 2008, 11:46:32 AM
Here is some Footage from Ice Man getting Knocked the F out. Don't mind the retards in the back ground. I don't know who they are, I just found the footage.

I guess after Chuck Needed Oxygen and was knock stupid for about 5 mins.

This could be a long line of beating for the old ice man

http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=42324503
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 07, 2008, 12:42:10 PM
Leading with a rear uppercut is usually a bad idea  :lol:  Too bad, Chuck looked confident and was dominating the fight until that moment.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Kaju Dog on September 07, 2008, 01:34:33 PM
 :oops: 

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb35/Webster-KajuPit/head.jpg)

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb35/Webster-KajuPit/head2.jpg)

If you never loose your not putting yourself out into the fight...  Eventually everyone looses.  Chucks still one of my favorite fighters.  Congrats to Evans on his win.  He is a force to be reconed with... 

 :roll:
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on September 07, 2008, 02:20:58 PM
These pics are of the trigeminal nerve I assume?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on September 07, 2008, 02:24:39 PM
Old School way to deal with BJJ 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19Dz8arDKs4

Nut shots

I'm curious as to how some people deal with getting hit in the nuts, the smut footage of guys getting their nuts stepped on, etc.  It also makes me wonder how many people get the accidental shot to the nuts and just take the five minutes because they can, not because it hurts.  I also remember Rog (C-Space Dog) hitting someone in the nuts in a gathering and the other guy not even flinching.  Interesting . . .
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Kaju Dog on September 07, 2008, 03:07:29 PM
:oops: 

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb35/Webster-KajuPit/head.jpg)

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb35/Webster-KajuPit/head2.jpg)

If you never loose your not putting yourself out into the fight...  Eventually everyone looses.  Chucks still one of my favorite fighters.  Congrats to Evans on his win.  He is a force to be reconed with... 

 :roll:

Sweet spots to attack when using 4oz or bare knuckle.  The larger gloves will dissipate the strike over a larger surface area giving a lesser effect.  (but you guys already know this).  :-)
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Maxx on September 08, 2008, 08:00:43 AM
This looks like a similar knock out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFzoWOb0BPg&feature=related

This is a pretty sick knock out
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 08, 2008, 11:42:44 AM
I must be getting to be a crotchety old fart, but I don't care for it at all when I see fighters continuing to pound on someone obviously already KTFO.   I don't care that it is within the rules.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on September 08, 2008, 01:05:47 PM
I agree,

Here is what a fighter should be able to do:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSRSZoslPZI[/youtube]
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Ronin on September 08, 2008, 01:19:10 PM
I agree,

Here is what a fighter should be able to do:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSRSZoslPZI[/youtube]


Minus the crappy dancing which, by the way, always demeans a fighter.
Silva is a class act, he shouldn't do those silly things, must be the "samba in him" ;)
Never care much for the post KO celebration some fighters do, always tasteless.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tankerdriver on September 08, 2008, 08:07:59 PM
I read on Sherdog today that Evan Tanner is dead!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on September 08, 2008, 09:30:15 PM
You read right.  Died doing a survival outing of some sort.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 09, 2008, 12:59:13 AM
Great example Dog Ryan.

Ronin, FWIW I did not find the vicotry dance to be disrespectful at all.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on September 09, 2008, 03:17:10 AM
The dance actually has its roots in being a post victory prair / thank you to the king, family, coaches, etc. that the fighter will be able to fight again without being seriously injured in the fight he just fought. 

This however, I find offensive:

(http://i34.tinypic.com/2n01m50.gif)

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 09, 2008, 03:25:58 AM
Earlier in the night he had some things where he was playing with his nipples.  :?  Weird.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on September 09, 2008, 03:32:16 AM
OOOOO!!!!!!!!  I forgot to post about this.  It's a thing that Greg Jackson has all of his fighters doing.  Licking your fingers and tweaking your nipples actually releases hormones in both men and women.  GSP did it too.  Nipple stimulation causes the body to produce the hormone oxytocin. http://www.filly.ca/health/body/sexual_health/Oxytocin.asp

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/thegarv/GSPNip.gif)

(http://i33.tinypic.com/zmb3gm.jpg)

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sisco T. on September 09, 2008, 06:46:45 AM
The dance actually has its roots in being a post victory prair / thank you to the king, family, coaches, etc. that the fighter will be able to fight again without being seriously injured in the fight he just fought. 

This however, I find offensive:

(http://i34.tinypic.com/2n01m50.gif)


 
   why is this offensive?? it's pretty funny to me, especially if you get the joke. it's no more & no less than what liddell does after he wins, or when a fighter jumps up on the cage and back flips, or when barnett slashes his throat, etc., etc.

  Francisco
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Maxx on September 09, 2008, 06:52:23 AM
I find the nipple tweeking offensive  :-D
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Ronin on September 09, 2008, 07:14:53 AM
Great example Dog Ryan.

Ronin, FWIW I did not find the vicotry dance to be disrespectful at all.

To each their own, I find an over indulgent NFL type victory dance unbecoming of a fighter and a professional.
A show of celebration like a fist pump or hugging his corner is fine, and even Bas's jumps or flips AFTER the  match is ok, but you just KO some guy ot choke him out and while the medical staff are making sure he is ok you start prancing like a peacock and doing something that is appropraite for a gay strip club, that is a tad to demeaning in my view.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tankerdriver on September 09, 2008, 08:52:16 AM
I know whats with the nipple tweaking thing, I don't buy the endorphine releasing thing. Come on now kids are watching! Apparently after the fact Rashad's coach claimed to have Liddell's number with the whole game plan thing. Makes sense because in the second round Rashad seemed to have found his range before the big knockout.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on September 09, 2008, 12:15:28 PM
The dance actually has its roots in being a post victory prair / thank you to the king, family, coaches, etc. that the fighter will be able to fight again without being seriously injured in the fight he just fought. 

This however, I find offensive:

(http://i34.tinypic.com/2n01m50.gif)



Celebration is one thing, like Chuck does.  Or jumping up on the cage.  However, Tito's thing he does, Brock's thing he did, cutting the throat, are all uncalled for.
 
   why is this offensive?? it's pretty funny to me, especially if you get the joke. it's no more & no less than what liddell does after he wins, or when a fighter jumps up on the cage and back flips, or when barnett slashes his throat, etc., etc.

  Francisco
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 09, 2008, 07:06:18 PM
" , , , while the medical staff are making sure he is ok you start prancing like a peacock and doing something that is appropraite for a gay strip club, that is a tad to demeaning in my view."

Oh.   I only noticed the part where he did some Muay Thai Wai Kru looking sort of a thing.  Sexual movements? :-o  We're in complete agreement! :-D
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Ronin on September 10, 2008, 04:32:08 AM
" , , , while the medical staff are making sure he is ok you start prancing like a peacock and doing something that is appropraite for a gay strip club, that is a tad to demeaning in my view."

Oh.   I only noticed the part where he did some Muay Thai Wai Kru looking sort of a thing.  Sexual movements? :-o  We're in complete agreement! :-D


LOL, I wasn't referring to Silva in particular, but antics in general.
Silva is still the best in my book and the MT "ritual" I can live with, the samba is a tad silly though.
I have seen guys put more effort into their celebrations than they did in the actual match !
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on September 10, 2008, 08:13:46 AM
The ultimate respect IMHO:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b379/segmentedpaintings/GenkiSudo.jpg)
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Ronin on September 10, 2008, 08:42:49 AM
The ultimate respect IMHO:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b379/segmentedpaintings/GenkiSudo.jpg)

Indeed, too bad we don't see more of that.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 10, 2008, 10:39:46 AM
Randy Couture, and GSP come to mind , , ,
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Ronin on September 10, 2008, 11:52:51 AM
Randy Couture, and GSP come to mind , , ,

Yep, class acts both of them, comforting to see that in GSP, being a "next generation" fighter, of course he is Canadian, ;)
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 10, 2008, 08:33:09 PM
Canada has been putting out some excellent fighters, both physically and in character. 
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Ronin on September 11, 2008, 04:09:01 AM
Canada has been putting out some excellent fighters, both physically and in character. 

Its the cold weather, it toughens you up and if you get too cocky, you get thrown out barefooted in the snow.
Ah, I miss those days...
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on September 14, 2008, 12:26:32 AM
An interesting announcement by Affliction, it appears that they joined forces with Oscar De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions:
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Affliction, Golden Boy Join Forces
Saturday, September 13, 2008
by Mike Sloan (msloan@sherdog.com)

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LAS VEGAS -- Popular clothing company Affliction and its mixed martial arts promotion might not be dying on the vine, as UFC President Dana White claimed. The apparel giant canceled its planned Oct. 11 card in Las Vegas, and rumors swirled that Affliction might be another one-and-done MMA promotion.

Affliction announced on Saturday a blockbuster partnership with powerful boxing company Golden Boy Promotions. Golden Boy, created by superstar and future Hall of Fame boxer Oscar De La Hoya, is arguably the leading promotional firm in boxing, and its partnership with Affliction, also a fledgling MMA promoter, is significant for both MMA and boxing.

Golden Boy purchased “The Ring Magazine,” the world’s longest-running boxing periodical, and its ancillary publications last year and just recently scooped up the United States’ only amateur pugilism program -- USA Boxing. Now it appears poised to help make MMA even bigger using a somewhat risky endeavor with Affliction.

“Since our acquisition of ‘The Ring’ last year, we were looking to find ways to bring the younger audience to the magazine, as well as to boxing,” said Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer. “Affliction, which really is an iconic brand, has captured that younger audience, and so we’ve been sitting down with the owners of Affliction and trying to find ways to cross promote the two sports. It’s great for the fighters; it’s great for both sports.”

Golden Boy has become the new guard in boxing, and its promotional and marketing ideas have changed the approach to how the sport should be handled. Always willing to try new ideas in an effort to grow its already superfluous stable of elite talent, Golden Boy’s partnership with Affliction does not come as much of a surprise. Considering that De La Hoya, his public relations staff and Schaefer have hinted to Sherdog.com on numerous occasions that promoting MMA was “a possibility,” it was a matter of when, not if it would happen.

“We’ve been looking into mixed martial arts for some time now,” Schaefer said. “I’ve been studying and following it and have educated myself about it, and we finally decided to throw our hat into the mixed martial arts ring.”

What’s even more intriguing is the fact that Golden Boy does not plan to branch out and create a separate entity solely for MMA shows. Instead, its goal is to assemble massive pay-per-view events that will integrate both boxing and MMA in one night in the same ring. Though neither Schaefer nor Affliction Vice President Tom Atencio (Pictures) commented on potential blockbuster cards, the notion of a fight night featuring boxers the caliber of Bernard Hopkins and Joel Casamayora, along with world-class mixed martial artists like Josh Barnett (Pictures) and Fedor Emelianenko (Pictures) is no longer far-fetched.

Atencio was as enthused as anyone about the partnership.

“Golden Boy is the top promoter in the industry in the world,” he said. “They think outside the box, and this is just another example of what they do. We’re going to bring top MMA fighters and top boxers together in one night. This is a great partnership, alongside our partnership with M-1 Global and Fedor, and this just brings another level to MMA. I think the two worlds have finally merged.”

Questions surround how exactly the two powerhouses will pull off their inaugural event, let alone the four they have planned in 2009. Atencio had some ideas but opted to leave those decisions to the experts.

“I think with Golden Boy, we’re going to leave that up to them,” Atencio told Sherdog.com. “They have the expertise. They’ll do all the production side of everything, and we’ll do what we do as far as MMA goes, like matchmaking. [Golden Boy] will do the matchmaking with boxing. [Pulling it off] is something we have to sit down with Golden Boy and talk about. I know some of the events in the past that have done this, or tried to do this, have either done one MMA match with all boxing or all mixed martial arts with only one boxing [match]. Quite honestly, I don’t know what we’re going to do.”

Atencio said the debut event under the new “strategic partnership” will come in the first quarter of 2009, and though he said the date for the show remains up in the air, he said it will most likely fall in January. He also said that the Oct. 11 card from Las Vegas was postponed because of the pending partnership, and the card, or least some of the match-ups from it, could fill out the MMA portion of the first event. Atencio made it clear that the premiere was too far out to state who would be competing. A location was not revealed, either, but Las Vegas and southern California have emerged as logical locales.

Another crucial element to the partnership with Golden Boy and Affliction is the fact that De La Hoya’s lucrative company has a solid business relationship with cable giant HBO, as the vast majority of its fight cards land on that station. Atencio was excited about the potential for his brand of MMA to appear on the world’s leading movie network but was hesitant to speak out of turn or make erroneous declarations.

“Hopefully,” he said with a broad grin. “That’s up to Golden Boy once again. They are the ones who have the relationship with HBO, and if they can bring it to the table, then absolutely.”

Landing events on a network that has brought fight fans some of the greatest boxing matches in history would be significant. But why did Atencio and his team decide on Golden Boy and not another of the world’s powerful boxing promoters? Golden Boy is smart, young and has shown an ability to capture the attention of boxing fans.

“They’re very creative, and they’re always looking at new ideas. And so are we,” said Atencio, who estimates the deal took eight months to be finalized. “Looking at both of our companies, it just made sense for us to come together.”

Atencio also revealed his plans to continue promoting separate all-MMA shows under the Affliction flag and reinforced his promotion’s partnership with M-1 Global. He was not sure when the next all-MMA show would be promoted, but the eager entrepreneur hopes to have a few shows sandwiched in between the major pay-per-view events with Golden Boy.

Another key aspect of the partnership between Affliction and Golden Boy will have the apparel company create event-specific T-shirts for Golden Boy’s major PPV shows, beginning with the mammoth showdown between De La Hoya and Filipino whirlwind Manny Pacquiao in December. Affliction is also going to create a plethora of boxing-related shirts sporting vintage “The Ring Magazine” covers featuring the likes of Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey and others, which will be available in the 20,000-plus retail outlets where Affliction clothing is sold.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Jonobos on September 15, 2008, 11:03:28 AM
I think a little competition will be good for the MMA world, and I really like the idea that we might see events on HBO.

I don't know about mixing MMA with boxing. I think there are a lot of people that will tune out for the boxing part, or the mma part.

It will be interesting to see where this goes.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tankerdriver on September 23, 2008, 03:24:01 AM
extra extra read all bout it! Anderson Silva is thinking about retiring soon. One for the road, Chuck Liddell vs. Anderson Silva, I think there would be a lot of interest in this fight. Someone will go out with a bang for sure!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tankerdriver on September 23, 2008, 03:26:44 AM
For those interested and for those who don't know, check out mmalinker.com They have all the fights for free. The latest UFC...uh yep. Fedor vs. Tim...uh yep. Even on the night of the fights...uh yep!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Ronin on September 23, 2008, 04:15:06 AM
extra extra read all bout it! Anderson Silva is thinking about retiring soon. One for the road, Chuck Liddell vs. Anderson Silva, I think there would be a lot of interest in this fight. Someone will go out with a bang for sure!

With Chuck "losing a step" and Anderson on the top of his game, it won't be much of a match, but you never know...
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 23, 2008, 08:07:54 AM
What is Silva's normal fighting weight?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tankerdriver on September 23, 2008, 08:23:51 AM
185lbs.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tankerdriver on September 23, 2008, 08:58:38 AM
He stepped up to light heavy to fight James Irvin. Knocked him out within seconds of the first round, and then said " yep I'm a badass" and went back to middleweight!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on September 23, 2008, 09:34:38 AM
Silva won't retire in a year, mark my words he will be in the game for at least another three years.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tankerdriver on September 23, 2008, 10:19:46 AM
Silva lost before! Besides he's just starting to cross over into the mainstream really, why would he want to retire. Stay on top for awhile, where else is he going to go. Maybe he's going to the WWE.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Matt Tucker on September 23, 2008, 01:30:36 PM
Here is my new Wrestling Coach, John 'The Hitman' Hathaway at Cage Rage 28 last weekend. I say the futures bright for this 21 year old. He broke his opponents eye socket.

http://www.myvideofight.com/video/other-rings/cage-rage-28-john-hathaway-vs.-jack-mason/index-2.html
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on September 23, 2008, 01:33:51 PM
Gym Tour of our new facility: http://www.purefight.org/videos/coverage/view_video/234112/73716-lionheart-tour
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tankerdriver on September 27, 2008, 08:00:42 AM
http://sherdog.com/pictures/event/pictures-gina-carano-14551

I think I'm in love. :-D
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on September 27, 2008, 07:11:24 PM
I don't mean to speculate or start rumors but I suspect some vitamins have come into Gina's workout regimen in the past few years.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tankerdriver on October 02, 2008, 12:11:48 PM
This Saturday Ken Shamrock fights Kimbo Slice. I hope Ken wins but I doubt it.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Ronin on October 02, 2008, 12:19:05 PM
I don't mean to speculate or start rumors but I suspect some vitamins have come into Gina's workout regimen in the past few years.

performance enhancers and sport ???
NOOOOO !!!!
 :-D
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Ronin on October 02, 2008, 12:19:33 PM
This Saturday Ken Shamrock fights Kimbo Slice. I hope Ken wins but I doubt it.

Speaking of performance enhancers....;)
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on October 02, 2008, 12:26:58 PM
Shamrock by leg lock! LOL =)I just haven't seen an impressive Ken in any of his last fights.  I think this is going to be a replay of Kimbo/Tank.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Ronin on October 02, 2008, 12:29:14 PM
I hear ken has been working on an ancient chinese grappling move from Combat Shuai Chiao, its called " the flying cock traps its prey".
I think in BJJ its called a "flying triangle".
 :-D
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 02, 2008, 02:48:12 PM
Heck, I can't think of an impressive KS in ANY of his fights :lol: 

I thought he was a real jerk to his fighters on TUF and will smile if Kimbo takes him.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on October 02, 2008, 03:15:49 PM
I think this will be shorter than Tank vs Kimbo.
Remember the way Tito manhandled Ken by picking Ken up, figuratively pushing him across the octagon into the fence with ease? Kimbo looks much bigger and stronger than Tito to me.

 
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tankerdriver on October 02, 2008, 06:12:48 PM
http://sherdog.com/videos/recent/The-Fight-of-His-Life-1787


Here's something from Sherdog on Ken Shamrock. He sounds sincere? :-D
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tankerdriver on October 03, 2008, 09:11:40 PM
Kimbo weighed in at 235 and Shamrock weighed in at 207. Dude Kimbo is going to kill him!


http://sherdog.com/pictures/event/scuffles-skin-turn-up-heat-14642


What about Gina Carano, she can barely make weight. She has this problem everytime. I think she's trying to pyche out her opponent. Acting all weak then pow,bink,bam!!!!! But dang look at Gina's face man. Perfect structure. man...uh...oh man...I gotta go!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on October 03, 2008, 09:51:35 PM
Yeah Gina's hot.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tankerdriver on October 04, 2008, 09:56:24 AM
Whatever happened to the Lion's Den. They were on top, now you hardly hear anything about them. Does it even put out fighters. Ken Shamrock is the only one I know of thats still fights. I was looking at pictures of his training camp, he doesn't have any of his boys there, Tre, Bohlander, Guy. Only person there I recognize is Vernon White. Everyone left?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 04, 2008, 06:44:48 PM
The steroids wear off and time marches on , , ,
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tankerdriver on October 04, 2008, 11:53:56 PM
Ha, ha!

Man this Cyborg chick has a hard-on for Gina Carano. I am feeling jealous. She speaks english like a caveman. I want Gina Carano. Give me Gina Carano.

So much for the Kimbo, Shamrock fight.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on October 05, 2008, 08:40:16 AM
Second fight in a row that Arlovski won with a Panantukan upper cut!:

(http://i34.tinypic.com/312xssm.gif)
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on October 05, 2008, 08:43:28 AM
Here is the first one:

(http://i35.tinypic.com/2v9rsxl.jpg)
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on October 05, 2008, 11:00:39 AM
Love the jumping knee.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tankerdriver on October 05, 2008, 11:48:36 AM
Arlvoski has the skills to give Fedor a run for his money. I'd like to see him fight Josh Barnett first. If he gets through that he could be in line for Fedor.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tankerdriver on October 05, 2008, 12:08:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah4OTXB5e9A&feature=related

Dude look at Cyborg she's walking out to the ring with her kids. Yeah. She's like a small version of Vanderlei Silva.

She could be the one to beat Carano.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 05, 2008, 12:33:45 PM
I was very impressed by AA when he was winning in the UFC, then it looked like he lost his confidence to the point where I heard he was a bodyguard taking off his shirt on the Jerry Springer show-- WTF?

Anyway, it sure looks like he is back.  :-o Who was that he was fighting there?

Story:  Back when AA was on top of the UFC, he was my son's favorite (my son was about 7 at the time).  As AA entered the octagon and began warming up my son warmed up with him, punching and kicking this way and that.  Then he turned to me and said, "You know Dad, I think he could beat even you."

Love you son  :lol:
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: rio on October 05, 2008, 12:54:24 PM
Arlovski fought "Big Country," product of John Lewis BJJ/ Nova Uniao. he was on top with the I.F.L., even has his own clothing line; 108 Martial Arts. Big Country looked heavy and sloppy
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tankerdriver on October 05, 2008, 01:07:52 PM
Guess Kimbo was made credible. Ran into a buzz saw. A real fighter with a real record. UFC caliber.

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Seth-Petruzelli-2738

Here's Petruzelli's fight record. Shoot it even has Dan "The Beast" Severn in there!!!!! Son of a.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tankerdriver on October 05, 2008, 01:14:16 PM
Check it out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UFV0IvTAr0

Bas Rutten on the Springer Show. Showing his skills on prime time. About 6 years ago I was reading a magazine, in it Bas Rutten was asked where he thinks he'll be in 6 years and he answered " IN THE MOVIES."  Well...
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on October 05, 2008, 02:40:50 PM
IMHO AA almost lost last night.  His BJJ is non-existant.  Barnett and Fedor would run through AA.  Also, how about freaking Nelson and Arlovski getting stood back up when Nelson was in side control with a submission!  WTF!!!

On the topic of Kimbo, I'm pretty sure that fight was supposed to be fixed.  A fairly important person for this event was trying to get the ref to jump in and call Seth for hitting Kimbo in the back of the head:

(http://webpages.charter.net/gline/skala-kimbo_seth-juggo.gif)

He says "he's hitting him in the back of the head" then points to the back of his head. . . . interesting?!

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 05, 2008, 03:59:56 PM
The clip I saw DID look like there was a hammer fist to the back of the head/neck.  The first right hand had about as much on it as Ali's KO punch of Sonny Liston in their second fight  :wink: :roll:  Did any of the follow up punches land solidly?

No doubt this fight was not pleasing to the monied interests , , , :evil:
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Jonobos on October 05, 2008, 06:46:35 PM
As I recall the punch that sent kimbo to the mat was not very hard... but it hit solidly and square on the jaw. He did not actually go stiff until he took another solid shot while on the ground. If I saw (and remember) correctly the knockout happened after he went down.

Liddel went down from a little clip on the jaw from Rampage didn't he? As I recall it didn't look like that hit very hard either... Maybe accuracy is enough sometimes?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tankerdriver on October 05, 2008, 07:07:14 PM
I think Arlovski has the skills to win. If anything his chin is always a question. Given things are outside the UFC, if he fights and beats Barnett, he should get a shot a Fedor.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tankerdriver on October 05, 2008, 07:13:09 PM
ryangruhn nice video, props to the Hulkster.  Kimbo was out of his league, it just took a decent fighter to show it. He has Hugo Durate syndrom. They always dominate their opponents, but then the run into a buzz saw and they break, mentally. Watch the fight with Hugo Duarte and Tank Abbott. How far was Hugo going to crawl?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 05, 2008, 08:07:10 PM
The Jackson KO of Liddell came on a hook that created brain stem torsion.  Here, to my eye, it didn't look like much AND should have been seen coming in-- thus lessening the effect.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Jonobos on October 05, 2008, 08:25:36 PM
  Here, to my eye, it didn't look like much AND should have been seen coming in


Kimbo is sort of just a brawler though. Run in swinging and overwhelm the opponent... and there is certainly something to be said for that. It is nothing to laugh about when you can pull it off. I didn't look like much... maybe he ran into it or something? Who knows. I have caught some shots that hobbled me through the mask which certainly surprised the hell out of me!

He is sort of just a thug and I am glad he lost. Maybe this will humble him and he will come back better for it?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: rio on October 06, 2008, 08:24:39 AM
i think Jonobos has it dead on. . .  even though Kimbo has added a good MMA coach in Bas to his repetoire doesn't mean he can run through a cage with his chin exposed daring someone to hit it. cause in this case, someone did and now it's all history. MMA is what it is. we've all seen it a million times. the best train for years and they're on top for a long time. they beat the best and lose to unknowns with a good jab to the chin. Kimbo can't deny it, Liddell can't deny it, Tito . . . etc...

it can all be related to the Gatherings. it's humbling to know AND recognize that there is always someone better than you.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Ronin on October 06, 2008, 08:52:32 AM
As the old saying goes, on any given day, anyone can have their ass handed to them.

Or something like that ;)
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on October 14, 2008, 01:54:37 PM
EliteXC imo is turning into a joke... kimbo was their main attraction to draw in the mainstream... ken shamrock vs kimbo was to be a big draw... for whatever reason ken was training hard prior to his match... got a cut above eye which reopened.... frank shamrock comments publically how ken is a disgrace to the shamrock legacy.... read today that they have been apparently planning on fighting each other for at least a year... they have agreed materially on a contract, some terms to be worked out

this is so WWF/WWE!!! elitexc should declare bankruptcy. only draw they have is Gina Carano imo. i like both shamrocks, but their glory may be behind them.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: peregrine on October 14, 2008, 04:38:41 PM
I'm wondering if Kimbo took a dive?
Yes I believe he got hurt legitimately but not until he was pounced on. If the odds were 10-1 like I heard they were, that's a lot of money to be made by himself and others.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on October 15, 2008, 10:31:03 AM
I'm wondering if Kimbo took a dive?

I never though he was really on top of anything to dive off of.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 16, 2008, 06:07:13 AM
Oy.

There were oddslike that on a last minute (literally!) fill in fight like that one was?

With regard to the Sharmrocks:  I never thought that much of Ken-- I'm hard pressed to think of a single impressive fight.  Frank OTOH has a number of really good fights to his credit.  I thought he fought well in his recent loss to Cung Le.  Given the size differential and converse fighting rep differential and the well known dislike between the adopted brthers, I suppose they could market an audience for a fight, , ,
Title: Interview w Anderson Silva
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 16, 2008, 12:51:06 PM
Interview w Anderson Silva

http://www.sherdog.com/videos/recent/Silva-My-Time-is-Already-Over-1795
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Matt Tucker on October 16, 2008, 07:52:06 PM
Here is my new Wrestling Coach, John 'The Hitman' Hathaway at Cage Rage 28 last weekend. I say the futures bright for this 21 year old. He broke his opponents eye socket.

http://www.myvideofight.com/video/other-rings/cage-rage-28-john-hathaway-vs.-jack-mason/index-2.html

He has just been Signed up for the UFC 93 in Dublin January 17th..... 8-)
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on October 23, 2008, 11:44:35 AM
Big weekend for UFC.  I'll be excited to see Anderson put on another display.  Sean Sherk is also fighting Tyson Griffin which I am looking forward to!  We are having Sean in State College in December so we are all hyped about seeing him fight!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 23, 2008, 05:08:48 PM
What's the tip sheet on Tysono Griffin?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on October 23, 2008, 08:39:22 PM
Griffin has a pretty impressive record with wins over Urijah Faber, Duane Ludwig, Clayton Guida and a number of others.  His only loss is to Frank Edgar which went all three rounds and in my book, went down as one of the best and most technical fights at 155.  He's no slouch but I'm fairly confident that Sherk is going to do very well against him.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 24, 2008, 01:54:52 PM
Thank you.

A lot of Sherk's rep was built during his  , , , hormonal phase.  How has he been since then?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on October 25, 2008, 08:30:48 AM
He lost to BJ but I don't think that was because of the lack of vitamins.  IMHO superior reach and take down defense is what won that fight for BJ.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 25, 2008, 11:28:17 AM
No shame in losing to BJ.  Is that his only post hormonal fight?  The insecurity that leads a fighter to take steroids to begin with can often prey upon his mind after he is off the steroids , , ,
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on October 25, 2008, 11:53:43 AM
This will be his second fight without the additional help.  To change gears it was great to see Sled Dog in "Countdown to UFC" on Spike talking about Cote.  I am always in BTT Canada's corner but I REALLY like Silva for this fight.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: maija on October 25, 2008, 01:56:59 PM
Apols for posting this if it is already up somewhere. Thought it was interesting.
Lyoto Machida takedown GIFs
http://www.spladdle.com/?p=124
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: rio on October 25, 2008, 04:19:08 PM
MAIJA - thats pretty interesting! i seen Lyoto do that before but not extensively like he uses it. seems pretty second nature to him. hmmm, something new to start practicing...
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: maija on October 25, 2008, 05:35:34 PM
Yeah, he always seems to get his leg in the right place for the trip or sweep .....
Seems like taking out the legs is a great thing to be able to pull off, especially if you are smaller, against someone bigger and heavier.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on October 26, 2008, 08:17:49 AM
Impressive fight from Sherk last night!  It received fight of the night and rightly so.  Bummer about Anderson & Cote.  I hate seeing people get injured and unable to continue.  On a more positive note I think I saw just about every variation in Silva's footwork last night, how cool!  His footwork is so impressive and I'm glad that we are finally seeing fighters that can switch leads at will in a technical way.  I also give props to Cote for being able to keep up with Anderson and have the eye to see what Silva was doing with his footwork.  Mark D. had some great cornering advice as well.  Amongst many other things he mentioned that when Anderson stops moving he is timing Cote and I believe this to be true.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on November 05, 2008, 07:05:27 PM
Anyone catch the Uriah Faber vs Mike Brown fight?
I wasn't sure who would win but I didn't expect .... so sudden.
But hey.. that's MMA.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: rio on November 08, 2008, 09:35:43 AM
that . . . was . . . TOTALLY AWESOME!!! i've never seen a clothesline uppercut-hook. decleated Faber. but it's what has been mentioned before. there's always somebody better than you out there. not to take away from Faber but athleticism and tenacity will only get you so far. too much of that seems desperate.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on November 17, 2008, 12:51:25 PM
i cannot believe this:

Brock Lesnar, UFC Heavyweight Champion




at least lesnar has some skills unlike Kimbo
Title: There's no kissing in MMA!
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 19, 2008, 06:21:16 PM
With apologies to Tom Hanks's character in "League of their own" :lol:

More seriously now, what is with all the kissing I see with the fighters at the end of a fight?  I could swear there was even a kiss on the lips this past UFC!  :-P

WTF?!? :-P :-P :-P


Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on November 23, 2008, 09:52:39 AM
There is a fine line between fighting and fornacating Guro.  :lol:  Add in the emotions of winning a big fight and watch out!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 23, 2008, 04:37:52 PM
Speak for yourself :-P :lol:
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on November 28, 2008, 06:59:06 AM
LOL!

Switching gears, one of our fighters, Paul Bradley continued his streak of being undefeated by beating Dante Rivera last weekend in a title match for Ring of Combat:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsu1DeMJhbs[/youtube]

Paul was on the Ultimate Fighter, a wrestling stand out (All American) and is now starting to showcase his skills on his feet.

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on December 28, 2008, 08:29:45 AM
Did everyone see Frank Mir's fight last night!?  :-o  I've heard him comment numerous times about outside footwork and man did he demonstrate it last night!

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Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: rio on December 28, 2008, 09:06:20 AM
 Mir's striking was awesome! . . . i didn't see any nipple twisting from Rashad and Jackson camp
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Tony Torre on January 19, 2009, 10:47:03 AM
Here's a weird story on Monson.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008630232_martialarts15m.html

Tony Torre
Miami Arnis Group
www.miamiarnisgroup.com
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Tom Stillman on January 24, 2009, 12:44:28 PM
Fedor vs Arlvoski  8-)    Im down with anything, Fedor!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on January 24, 2009, 12:58:08 PM
Fedor vs Arlvoski  8-)    Im down with anything, Fedor!


With all this talk of AA working on his boxing with Freddie, I wonder how much he's been working his takedown defense which is what he should be the most worried about.  I can Fedor taking him down and dominating on the ground.  I can see AA right now on his back, Fedor in side control.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 24, 2009, 04:23:07 PM
Very much looking forward to tonight's fights.  A shout out for Vlady Matyushenko in particular--  Vlady was always very helpful to me when I was at RAW.  I certainly presented zero questions for him, but he was always a complete gentleman when we rolled.  Very, very, technical and frighteningly strong.  I remember one time trying a two-handed wrist lock on him and he didn't even notice that I was trying  :-o :-o :lol:  Watching Vlady and Rico Chiaparelli roll was always quite special too.    His decisive loss to Arlovski several years ago knocked him off stride for a while, but I hear he has been fighting very well recently.  I wish him a great night.

A small Arlovski story:  Several years ago when AA was first rampaging through the UFC he was my son's favorite fighter.  I'm guessing Conrad was about 6 at the time.   AA was in the cage warming up before a fight and Conrad was shadow boxing along with him.  He turned to me and said "You know Dad, I think Arlovski could beat even you."

"You might be right son , , ,"  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: peregrine on January 31, 2009, 10:41:55 PM
I am really disappointed in BJ Penns performance. He was totally outclassed tonight.
In all seriousness I don't think Penn brought in enough world class resources to help him. While GSP had an entire country backing him and wanting to be on his team.
Really disappointed. Especially after he was calling GSP a quitter along with all the other trash talk.

Lyoto Machida impressed me. Though I do not like his upright posture when standing. He made the shiver/elbow work really well  He stayed in the ground situations long enough to take advantage of them and if they weren't going his way escaped. His coming from a traditional martial arts impresses me even more. The ability to integrate tma into the cage. I am looking forward to some young bull integrating filipino martial arts into the cage succesfully.
"Crafty Dog" or Lester "Surf Dog" Griffin may find some talent.

Jones looked very impressive with an unorthodox style that confused the seasoned UFC show star Bonnar. Then impressed me with the numerous takedowns at will...his hedging of the last round by running was a disappointment though. He seems to be a very promising new star especially if he has a solid chin. The single leg hold to spinning elbow was highly impressive and missed the back of Bonnars head by inches. Nice technique that should be considered.

Karo looked old and his skill set looked 2003-4 ish. Fighters are improving at more than their "A" game, so one should work there B and C games bringing them up to a higher level.

I would love to hear any one else's opinions.
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Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on February 01, 2009, 12:23:22 AM
I feel the same way.

Honestly I think BJ took some good shots, maybe never been hit that hard before and was demoralized by the 3rd round.
4th round started out a little better.  GSP had the perfect plan to negate BJ strengths.

Love the Machida fight, lateral movement in and out with the knees.

The spinning elbow was cool, I was wondering if it could work if someone grabbed your weapon.

Sorry.. not as technical as others. Looking forward to hearing others as well.

Missed some of the earlier fights got to Mike's late.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on February 01, 2009, 04:28:58 AM
Hmmmmm ..... people reaching for straws or a legitamate concern:

B.J. Penn's Camp Files Formal Complaint Over Vaseline on St. Pierre's Back Between Rounds | www.cagepotato.com (http://www.cagepotato.com)

" "I saw the commission jump up there and flipping out," said Dana White. They said one of the guys was rubbing Vaseline on Georges' back in between rounds. It was one and two, I think."

"The guys from the athletic commission went up there and started screaming at them. Knocked the Vaseline and kicked the Vaseline out of the Octagon."

White added that "some Vaseline on a guy's back didn't change the outcome of that fight, but you don't do it," and said the blame should fall on the cornerman responsible and not GSP.

"If a guy was intentionally putting Vaseline on a guy's back, he should never corner a mixed martial arts fight again."

As for what becomes of the complaint now, White said it's out of his hands.

"Who knows. That's up to the commission." "



Intentional?
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Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: peregrine on February 01, 2009, 09:01:35 AM
Hmmmmm ..... people reaching for straws or a legitamate concern:

B.J. Penn's Camp Files Formal Complaint Over Vaseline on St. Pierre's Back Between Rounds

That was actually my first thought when BJ couldn't pull off his high guard as it did appear he couldn't grip. I was like that guys got to have vaseline on his "lats".
Kind of like guys putting a bit of lotion on the wrist before grappling. I can see a legitimate complaint there, but it will never change the fights outcome. It may evolve into stricter rules and contracts.
Title: GSP greased?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 02, 2009, 06:46:42 PM
Did GSP's corner cheat to give him an edge?
By Steve Cofield


After a dominating victory over B.J. Penn at UFC 94, Georges St. Pierre is clearly the better fighter. GSP left no doubt. And yet now there is, thanks to one of his cornermen, Phil Nurse. It's pretty clear by watching the video that Nurse had some Vaseline on his hands when he rubbed St. Pierre's shoulders, back and chest between the first and second rounds.

Why is that a big deal in mixed martial arts? It's significant because of all the grappling and maneuvering that takes place on the ground. St. Pierre was on top of Penn in the second round and the Hawaiian tried several times to shift his legs up to work for a triangle choke or an armbar. Grip and some friction is huge in these cases and a slippery fighter would make it more difficult to lock on one of those holds. Above you can see, Nurse apply Vaseline to GSP's face, then get more Vaseline, then rub his shoulders, arms and back.

Penn's trainer Rudy Valentino told InsideFighting that St. Pierre cheated and the Vaseline thwarted his fighter's strategy:

"To cheat to win is not honorable. Why need another edge? Our gameplan was on the ground, not striking because we knew Georges had good kicks. We planned to work off the back."

Valentino says they warned the Nevada State Athletic Commission before the fight alleging that St. Pierre did it before their meeting in 2006 and that Matt Serra's camp claimed the same thing happened in Serra's second fight against GSP.

Greg Jackson, GSP's trainer hurt his reputation according to Valentino:

"I respect Greg Jackson but to do something like that, his integrity has been compromised."

Jackson told his side of the story to MMAWeekly:

"In between rounds, you always want to put on vaseline on (a fighter’s face). So Phil Nurse put all the Vaseline on his face, so his hands might have had a miniscule amount left over from that, when he went around the side and rubbed a little point on his back, and tapped on his chest."

Watching the scenarios (1, 2, 3), show Nurse did more than tap the chest and rub a little point on GSP's back.

Jackson chalked all of this up to an overreaction by the NSAC:

"At that point, somebody in the audience thought we were greasing George down, and ran over and told the commission that we were greasing his body down. The commission came in and said ‘you can’t grease him down,’ which didn’t work. They said ‘you’re putting Vaseline on his back,’ and Phil’s like, ‘oh, there might be a little on my fingers, but it wasn’t intentional at all, and of course they wiped it right off and it was gone, so it wasn’t a factor in the fight at all."

"The Commission" was actually NSAC executive director Keith Kizer. He bolted into the cage when he saw Nurse doing the same thing between the second and third rounds. Cage Writer spoke with Kizer after the fight and he was still steaming, saying that the rubbing of the back with Vaseline was completely inappropriate. But he was unsure if it had been done between the first and second.

UFC president Dana White also thought it was a serious violation:

"I saw the commission jump up there and flip out," said White.  "They said one of the guys was rubbing Vaseline on Georges' back in between rounds. It was one and two, I think. I personally didn't see it, the commission did. And that's about as illegal as you can get... I'm sure the commission is going to deal (with it)."

White didn't believe that it affected the outcome of the fight but he re-stated that illegal is illegal: 

"You could have put Vaseline on from head to toe, that wasn't the point, the point was you don't do it. It's illegal. The guy who did it needs to be punished, it's not (St. Pierre's) fault. The question is what happens to a guy that does that. You've got to put the smack down on him. He should lose his license."

Ultimately, did the use of the Vaseline win the fight for St. Pierre? No. But Penn's camp does have a right to complain. 

St. Pierre should be getting props for being the better conditioned fighter, designing and executing the perfect gameplan. The way he wore down Penn in the first round by holding his left leg up on three occasions with the threat of a single-leg takedown, was brilliant. It allowed him takedown a tired Penn with ease in each of the next three rounds. More importantly, GSP was able to pass guard and shift between full guard and side control as if he were fighting a first-year jiu-jitsu student. Now Penn, other fighters who dislike St. Pierre and fans may call for an asterisk on his dominant victory.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on February 03, 2009, 12:03:26 AM
NSAC Comments:

Monday, February 02, 2009
by Brian Knapp (bknapp@sherdog.com)

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The sweat had not yet dried when accusations began to fly against welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre after his lopsided victory against B.J. Penn in the UFC 94 main event on Saturday at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

Not long after his win, St. Pierre and his corner, including trainer Greg Jackson, came under fire for allegedly using a “greasing” agent between rounds. Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Director Keith Kizer on Monday confirmed improprieties had occurred in the champion’s corner after the first and second rounds.

“After the first round, one of my inspectors came to me and told me he thought he saw one of the cornermen -- I believe it was Phil Nurse … after putting Vaseline on [St. Pierre’s] face, he saw him rub his shoulders, and it appeared as though he might not have wiped off his hands,” Kizer said. “After the second round, we observed Mr. Jackson putting Vaseline on Mr. St. Pierre’s face and then putting his hand on his back.”

At that point, Kizer attempted to get Jackson’s attention from outside the cage.

“I don’t think he heard me because of all the noise in the arena, so I immediately walked into the Octagon myself -- I’ve probably done that two other times in my career -- and told him to take his hand off Mr. St. Pierre’s back,” he said. “We took a towel and wiped off his back. After the third round, we went in again and made sure his back and shoulders were wiped off to ensure a level playing field.”

Kizer informed Penn’s camp of the situation after the bout ended. Penn’s manager and brother, J.D., told Sherdog.com on Sunday that the Hawaiian’s camp planned to file a complaint with the NSAC, but, as of Monday afternoon, Kizer had not heard from Penn’s representatives. Penn has 10 days to file.

Nevertheless, Kizer admonished Jackson and Nurse after the match.

“I told them I was disappointed and that they may have tainted Mr. St. Pierre’s victory,” he said. “I told them if it happens again, it will probably be the last time they work a corner in Nevada. Basically, they said, ‘Look, we’re sorry. We’re not trying to do anything. It was an accident.’ Whether it was intentional or not, I don’t know. It was improper.”

According to St. Pierre’s trainer, Greg Jackson, the controversy surrounding the bout has been blown out of proportion. Jackson addressed the accusations on the Monday edition of the Savage Dog Show on the Sherdog Radio Network.

“The controversy came because people didn’t know what they were looking at,” he said. “Steve Friend, ‘The Witch Doctor,’ he works with a ton of these guys, and he has this energy stuff [he does]. In between rounds, Phil [Nurse] put Vaseline on Georges’ head; then he’s supposed to reach around and rub something or tap something … I don’t know how it exactly works. On the outside, it looks like, ‘Why is he rubbing his back?’ And you don’t know why. ‘Oh, he’s putting Vaseline on. That’s got to be it.’”

St. Pierre punished Penn for four rounds, as he took him down numerous times and passed his guard with unthinkable ease. By the end of the fourth -- after Penn had absorbed a lethal dose of ground-and-pound -- the Hawaiian’s corner motioned to the cage-side doctor to stop the fight.

“On B.J.’s side, you just got beat, and you got beat pretty well,” Jackson said. “You gotta have something to hold onto. There’s gotta be a reason I got beat. They have to hold onto something, and I think they’re holding onto this.”

Jackson -- who also trains UFC light heavyweight champion Rashad Evans -- vehemently denies any intentional wrongdoing took place in the corner in between rounds.

“We certainly don’t need to cheat to win,” he said. “If we were going to put Vaseline on his back, it wouldn’t be like a tapping little thing. We’d take some Vaseline and make it count, you know what I mean? We don’t do that. We don’t cheat.

“It’s really a non-issue to me because there are cameras everywhere; there are inspectors everywhere,” he continued. “I’m not the smartest guy, but I’m not a moron. I wouldn’t grease someone between rounds.”

One of the sport’s most visible and respected trainers, Jackson thinks St. Pierre’s performance may have worked against him in terms of giving the controversy legs. No one had ever defeated Penn so soundly before.

“When you’ve got a guy as good as Georges and people are looking, like, ‘How can this guy be so good?’ People are going to find controversy somewhere at some point,” Jackson said. “Georges was, like, ‘What are you talking about? That’s ridiculous. I worked really hard.’ It’s nice for us because we know we didn’t cheat. We know what happened that night. To me, it’s not really a big deal when you have the truth on your side.”

Not surprisingly, the Jackson’s Submission Fighting founder indicated the otherworldly St. Pierre would invite a third fight with Penn if there was doubt about the legitimacy of his victory.

“I’m sure he wouldn’t mind fighting B.J. a third time if they’re that concerned about it,” Jackson said. “I’m sure everybody would make a lot of money, and we’d certainly welcome that fight again.”

Jackson expects the furor surrounding their rematch to die down soon.

“There’s not a lot of validity to it,” Jackson said. “It wasn’t a close fight where people were like, ‘Oh, if it wasn’t for all the cheating they did …’ I think it will just blow over once people realize what the truth was.”

Kizer was uncertain as to whether or not the incidents impacted the match. The first time St. Pierre and Penn met, the outcome was far less one-sided, as the French Canadian took a split decision at UFC 58 in 2006.

“It’s hard to tell,” he said. “I don’t think it takes away the victory, but I think it takes away from the victory. You’ve got to be better than that.”
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Ronin on February 03, 2009, 05:20:06 AM
Yeah, it wasn't the punches to the face, it wasn't GSP dominating, it wasn't GSP superiour conditioning, it was vasaline.
yep, I also have a bridge to sell if any is interested.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 03, 2009, 09:01:50 AM
Although I did see BJ try to establish lockdown one time (and here vasaline vel non would be relevant), I agree it probably didn't make a difference in the fight.

That said, I think it important to establish that cheating will not be tolerated lest this sport become like boxing.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on February 03, 2009, 05:54:42 PM
Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Director Keith Kizer today reported today that an improper application of Vaseline to St. Pierre's back by his cornermen has already merited a stern warning from the commission, and further actions may follow.

"There was no need for it," Kizer said of the incident in question. "It was disturbing. Where it goes from here, if anything, I don't know."

"The first round, one of the inspectors that was on the outside of the cage came over to me and said it looked to him that when the cornerman, who I think in that case was Phil Nurse, put the Vaseline on Georges' face then rubbed his shoulders -- which you see the guys rubbing the other guy's shoulders to help him out -- he didn't wipe off his hands between doing that. I said, 'Well, I'm going to watch very closely after this round.'"

"At the end of the second round I watched, and then another cornerman who I believe was Greg Jackson, he put the Vaseline on Georges' face, and then he put his hand on his back to do the breathing thing they always do. As soon as I saw that, it looked like there was still some Vaseline on his hand. Not a lot, but still some."

"Tony Liano and I immediately yelled at him, and I don't think he heard us because of the noise. So I actually went into the octagon, and I said, 'Take your hand off of his back. What are you doing?' We wiped it down. We made sure it was wiped down after the third round as well. This was after the second when I was in there. I was very upset. I don't know if they were doing it intentionally or not. Either way, they shouldn't have done it."

"I came out of the octagon and explained to the commissioner what I saw. I also motioned toward (UFC President) Dana (White) and (UFC co-owner) Lorenzo (Fertitta) so they'd know what I was doing in there. After the fight, actually both Mr. White and Mr. Fertitta both commented on how they're not sure whether those guys need to corner any other UFC (events) ever again. I leave that to them from a company standpoint. We'll deal with it from a commission standpoint."

"It wasn't necessary, it definitely wasn't fair to Mr. Penn. I don't think it was even fair to Mr. St. Pierre."

"His cornerman should have been more careful if it was an accident. If it was intentional, that's even worse. Just very, very disturbing."

"I found out this morning -- I talked with another inspector of mine -- he said that apparently B.J. Penn had complained to the inspector in his corner after either the first or second round that he though maybe Georges was a little slippery. I found that out this morning. At the same time he was complaining we were actually handling the situation in Georges' corner. It's just unfortunate."

"It wasn't like [St. Pierre's cornerman's] hand was covered in Vaseline, but he went directly from the face to the shoulders. By itself it's not a problem, but if there was still some Vaseline residue on, which there very well could have been, you've got to be more careful than that."

"Again, I don't know if that was a trick they were trying to play on us or not, but regardless, it's improper. We took the action we did after the second and third round."

"If they do file something, we'll obviously deal with it in due course. Whether or not the commission wants to do anything on their own initiative, other than what we've already done, obviously, in giving them a very, very stern warning, (I don't know)."

"Anytime you have disciplinary action, it could involve a suspension. It could involve a fine. It could involve a revocation. But it's a little premature to be talking about that."

"They can definitely file a complaint against the cornerman, but that's probably it. I don't know. We'll see. I don't see any basis to protest the decision, but you can definitely complain against the actions of the cornerman."

"My understanding is there's four ways you can overturn a decision. There's a scoring error. There's some sort of collusion; you know, someone paid off a judge, etc. The third is a positive drug test, and the fourth is the referee misinterpreted the rules. For example if you had the old boxing rule of three knockdowns in a round and after the third knockdown the referee says, 'Hey the fighter's fine. He can continue,' and he ends up winning the fight, you can overturn it then because the referee misinterpreted the rules. So I don't see any basis here."

"The example I give is Gaylord Perry of the (San Diego) Padres back in the day was known for putting Vaseline on the ball. The umpires did their best. Let's say it's the eighth inning and his team is up 10-0, he's throwing a shutout, and they find out on some pitch that he put Vaseline on the ball. They take action against him, but that wouldn't invalidate the rest of the game, although you could argue maybe he used it on every pitch and got this 10-run lead."

"But again, the Penns have the right to file whatever they're going to file, and we'd look into it and see if there is any basis for whatever they asked for."

"We wiped [St. Pierre] down very, very hard and even after the end of the third round, even though there was no touching of his back with Vaseline, we still wiped him down again after that round, too, just to be safe. You do the best you can to make it back to an even playing field and go from there."

"And I did tell the cornermen that if we ever see this again, that's it for them. I don't know the outcome of this specific incident, but we definitely gave them a warning that if we ever see that happen again that's probably the last time they'd be cornering in Nevada. As far as cornering in the UFC elsewhere, I'll leave that to the owners of the UFC."

"It's just an unfortunate incident. No fight needs it, especially a fight of this caliber."

"The fans can make their own conclusions on what they felt from their aspect. They saw what I saw for the most part based on some of the .gifs (small video clips) out there showing what happened.

"This may have tainted [St. Pierre's] victory in the eyes of many fans, and it's his cornerman's fault for that. It doesn't take away his victory, but it does take away from his victory in the eyes of many fans, I believe."

(source: mmajunkie.com)
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Ronin on February 04, 2009, 06:55:52 AM
IF at any point DURING the match BJ thought that there was a problem, he could have made it clear to the ref.
He didn't.
This looks rather unprofessional.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on February 04, 2009, 09:27:31 AM
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IF at any point DURING the match BJ thought that there was a problem, he could have made it clear to the ref.
He didn't.
This looks rather unprofessional.

I think BJ was too busy getting hit to notice or wonder what was going on and if I read everything right, it was a member of the NSAC who noticed it first. Ill go back and read but the fact that someone from the commission had to jump up during the fight and wipe GSP off seems unprofessional to me.  IT may have not changed the outcome and the better man won but let not ignore the fact that what the corner man did was wrong.

If you watch Dana's video blog he's already pissed at the end of the match and asks Rashad Evans about that the vaseline.

Im not here to say BJ would have won if it wasn't for the vaseline, it's just a shame that GSP victory may be tainted.

Even Matt Hughes stated GSP felt greasy
http://www.cagepotato.com/it-had-happen-matt-hughes-says-gsp-%E2%80%9Cfelt-greasy%E2%80%9D (http://www.cagepotato.com/it-had-happen-matt-hughes-says-gsp-%E2%80%9Cfelt-greasy%E2%80%9D)

But then again you have to take it with a grain of sale since Matt Hughes lost.  Im not sure when that article came out I cant find the date, and like the article says maybe it is a chance to dig at GSP since he lost.

The following article lists others with complaints about someone being greased up.

http://www.mmatorch.com/artman2/publish/Staff_Editorials_19/article_1931.shtml (http://www.mmatorch.com/artman2/publish/Staff_Editorials_19/article_1931.shtml)
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Ronin on February 04, 2009, 09:42:42 AM
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IF at any point DURING the match BJ thought that there was a problem, he could have made it clear to the ref.
He didn't.
This looks rather unprofessional.

I think BJ was too busy getting hit to notice or wonder what was going on and if I read everything right, it was a member of the NSAC who noticed it first. Ill go back and read but the fact that someone from the commission had to jump up during the fight and wipe GSP off seems unprofessional to me.  IT may have not changed the outcome and the better man won but let not ignore the fact that what the corner man did was wrong.

If you watch Dana's video blog he's already pissed at the end of the match and asks Rashad Evans about that the vaseline.

Im not here to say BJ would have won if it wasn't for the vaseline, it's just a shame that GSP victory may be tainted.

Even Matt Hughes stated GSP felt greasy
http://www.cagepotato.com/it-had-happen-matt-hughes-says-gsp-%E2%80%9Cfelt-greasy%E2%80%9D (http://www.cagepotato.com/it-had-happen-matt-hughes-says-gsp-%E2%80%9Cfelt-greasy%E2%80%9D)

But then again you have to take it with a grain of sale since Matt Hughes lost.  Im not sure when that article came out I cant find the date, and like the article says maybe it is a chance to dig at GSP since he lost.

The following article lists others with complaints about someone being greased up.

http://www.mmatorch.com/artman2/publish/Staff_Editorials_19/article_1931.shtml (http://www.mmatorch.com/artman2/publish/Staff_Editorials_19/article_1931.shtml)

Where was the ref during all this? I mean he is right there, if ANYONE can see something "not right" its the ref.
The way that its being talked about you'd think that GSP was slicker than dog shit on a lenonium floor.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on February 04, 2009, 11:12:03 AM
Arvloski to box?

http://www.cagepotato.com/arlovski-signs-golden-boy-will-box-next-and-why-not (http://www.cagepotato.com/arlovski-signs-golden-boy-will-box-next-and-why-not)

Following his knockout loss to Fedor Emelianenko at Affliction: Day of Reckoning, Andrei Arlovski has signed with Golden Boy Promotions and will begin his career as a boxer, reports FightHype.com. 

You may recall that Arlovski’s trainer, Freddie Roach, said he’d like to see Arlovski take on heavyweight boxing champ Nikolai Valuev if he was victorious against Fedor.  Of course, he wasn’t, so maybe Valuev won’t be Arlovski’s first opponent, which is probably just as well.  But whoever he does face in the boxing ring, at least he won’t be tempted to try another flying knee.

If you’re Arlovski this move makes perfect sense right now.  Having lost to Fedor, there’s no immediately obvious opponent for him outside the UFC ranks.  He’s already beaten Ben Rothwell and Roy Nelson, Josh Barnett has the next shot at Fedor (though it won’t happen until the summer, at the earliest), so why not put on some bigger gloves and find out whether Roach really knows a boxing diamond in the rough when he sees it?

The upside for MMA fans is we get to see someone from our world match his skills against a real boxer.  We’ve all heard about how superior their striking is for so long, wouldn’t it be nice to find out the old-fashioned way?  Not to mention, this could actually get people to care about boxing’s heavyweight division again, at least for a little while.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on February 06, 2009, 12:50:49 AM
Uh oh.... Just in from BJ's site ... will it happen?

BJ Penn accepts GSP and Greg Jackson’s challenge
# Posted by BJ PENN on February 5, 2009 at 10:29pm

For the past several days I have been reading statements made by St. Pierre and Greg Jackson about our fight on January 31. St. Pierre claims that he is “not a cheater” and that he and Greg Jackson will have “no problem with a rematch in the summer of 2009.” To the untrained eye the grease might not look like much, but every grappler knows the effect that it has. Being able to apply your submissions and sweeps or just being able to hold on to your opponent to defend yourself from being hit is absolutely critical! There is a reason why you are not allowed to put grease anywhere on your body except for the area around your eyes. Because of the grease applied to St.Pierre’s Body the Nevada State Athletic Commission’s executive director, Keith Kizer has stated that the Penn-St. Pierre fight “definitely wasn’t fair”. I hereby accept George St. Pierre and Greg Jackson’s challenge for a fight in the summer 2009. Lets call Dana now and set it up.

- BJ Penn
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on February 06, 2009, 08:00:05 AM
Anyone excited about Saturday? http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=EventDetail.FightCard&eid=1875

I always enjoy watching Danzig, and the main event might be good. Any predictions, or any one particular fight look to be good?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on February 06, 2009, 09:25:59 AM
Glenn Danzig  :?   Bad joke..

I like watching Mac Danzig fight, he started to irk me during the TUF show but now that he isnt trapped inside a house he seems to have lightened up.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on February 06, 2009, 01:06:22 PM
I'm sick of MMA.  :|
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sisco T. on February 06, 2009, 04:28:48 PM
 i LOVE mma.

 i am (was) a BIG bj penn fan, but i hope he gets this GSP rematch just so GSP can dominate him again! i dont think that vaseline had much if ANY impact on that fight at all.


  Francisco
Title: Kimo busted
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 18, 2009, 06:13:17 AM
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/leopoldo-arrested-on-drug-possession-16233
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on February 18, 2009, 09:01:24 AM
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.fightCard&eid=1877

2/21 Saturday night... and it's totally free on SPIKE (even Ryan can't hate on that  :lol: ). Nigthmare has been a favorite of mine forever hope he does well.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on February 24, 2009, 02:13:58 PM
Good fights Sat. better than some I've paid for. Most were finished quickly. The main event was a really well matched fight.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on February 26, 2009, 06:05:08 PM
http://sherdog.com/news/articles/mayeda-examines-mmas-role-in-society-16313 (http://sherdog.com/news/articles/mayeda-examines-mmas-role-in-society-16313)

Wednesday, February 25, 2009
by Danny Acosta

16313
Fights inside and outside the cage and ring fall under the mixed martial arts umbrella. For David Mayeda, MMA has become as much about responsibility as excitement.

The “human cockfighting” phrase still reverberates, despite support from mainstream advertisers like Nike, Bud Light and Microsoft. Mayeda, who earned his PhD in American Studies from the University of Hawaii, set out to explore MMA’s place in society in 2005 after coming to know the sport through “The Ultimate Fighter” reality series.

“I knew, even though I was seduced by mixed martial arts as a fan, it potentially could have differing effects on society in terms of violence,” said Mayeda, who has placed his academic focus on violence prevention geared toward youth.

“Fighting for Acceptance: Mixed Martial Artists and Violence in American Society” was published in February 2008. Mayeda took his theses from print to film when he directed, co-produced and narrated the documentary “MMA 808: Inside Hawaii’s Fight Game,” which was later derived from his book.

“I’m going to stick to my assertion that because MMA is the closest thing to the complete sport of fighting, it holds -- the sport as a whole holds -- a broader social responsibility,” he said. “That overlap between MMA and street school or domestic violence is the most striking concern for me socially. I’d like to see the MMA community take a broader responsibility in distancing the sport from those types of violence and sending out the right social messages to prevent those types of violence.”

MMA enthusiasts charge Mayeda with taking the sport backward by acknowledging its warts. Detractors, on the other hand, view him as an apologist.

The Hawaiian recognizes reluctance to be honest about the sport because of the obstacles it has had to overcome to become accepted in the mainstream. If the UFC applies its marketing muscle to social issues, it can make a visible impact, according to Mayeda. He was pleased with UFC Fight Night 16 “Fight for the Troops” in December and hopes the show serves as the first step in significant social involvement.

Balance between violence and the “feel good” story seems paramount, and the former high school football player points to the NFL as a potential model for the UFC. That organization -- the most popular and powerful professional sports entity in America -- also walks arm-in-arm with violence.

“They have really strong charitable organizations that they promote during their commercials during their games,” Mayeda said.

Responsibility does not rest solely with the UFC. If an MMA promotion can profit from a community, it can give back to it, as well. Mayeda offered one startling example of MMA doing its best to curb violence. In Kailua, Hawaii, more than a year ago, a man beat his ex-girlfriend to death with the butt of his gun. MMA Hawaii executives who run MMA Hawaii Magazine and mmahawaii.com recognized the perpetrator as one of the spectators at an event they sponsored.

Photo courtesy of MMAHawaii.com

Kala Kolohe Hose
and the HSCADV.
In response, MMA Hawaii initiated partnerships with the Hawaii State Coalition Against Domestic Violence and Mothers Against Drunk Driving. MMA Hawaii Magazine also enlisted Icon Sport middleweight champion Kala Hose and had him pose with his daughter under the caption: “You love your daughter. You want to give her the world. Start by treating her mother with respect. Real fighters keep it in the ring.” Mayeda thinks responsible fighters should speak out against domestic violence, drunken driving, substance abuse and other social ailments more often.

Even with island MMA in recovery after the extended absence of Rumble on the Rock and Icon Sport -- Mayeda believes MMA was more popular in 2001 than it is now -- ads like the one involving Hose do more than educate fans; they educate lawmakers, too. It frustrates Mayeda that similar campaigns are not already fixtures in the sport.

“I think those icons need to be pushed, not just as athletes but as humanitarians, as well,” he said. “I think that can do a lot to change the culture of mixed martial arts.”

Mayeda thinks MMA has the power to use its popularity to bring about positive change. He and Antonio McKee -- a former International Fight League standout who also works with children in his community -- agree that youth violence prevention programs involving MMA appeal to at-risk kids because it provides a release through which they can draw on their physical abilities. However, advancing the culture of MMA has many obstacles, and one -- “The Ultimate Fighter” -- stands out above all the rest.

Each installment of the Spike TV reality series brings promising talent to the UFC. What happens along the way perturbs Mayeda. The fights may not be official, but UFC President Dana White’s presence -- along with prominent fighters serving as coaches -- makes the show a representation of the UFC, in particular, and MMA, in general. It has a heavy influence on first impressions.

“They already have the [male] 20- and 30-something demographic kind of hooked,” Mayeda said. “So I don’t know that ‘The Ultimate Fighter’ is bringing new fans from that demographic. They need to be reaching out to an older demographic, men and women.”

Mayeda sees it as a tug-of-war between long-term investment and a shortsighted play for ratings and cash. He points again to the NFL, which puts together family-friendly events despite the inherent violence associated with football. MMA role models abound, according to Mayeda.

“[Rosi Sexton has] a 2-year-old child and [is an] 8-1 mixed martial artist with a PhD,” he said.

Mayeda now watches traditional MMA programming as he continues his advocacy for a sport still struggling to find its identity. The more he speaks out, the more criticism he receives. His is a thankless job. Mayeda no longer watches “The Ultimate Fighter,” even though it brought him to MMA. He suggests Junie Allen Browning’s antics on the most recent season countered the UFC’s efforts to keep negative images -- like the infamous Noah Thomas-Marlon Sims street fight on season five -- under wraps. Mixed signals are being sent.

“It’s hard to reconcile that inconsistency,” Mayeda said. “It’s like ‘Jackass’ the movie for the series. They’re really helping to create that ambiance. I just don’t understand anymore. They should have learned from TUF 1. They’re not evolving. They’re devolving.”

Mayeda wants MMA to borrow from traditional martial arts. Teach it for discipline, self defense and self-esteem building. Teach younger students more grappling than striking. Build family relationships and educational goals.

“Those are the things that martial arts schools are known for doing,” he said. “If MMA schools can capture that identity and really pursue those goals, it’ll have a much easier time gaining acceptance across the country.”
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 06, 2009, 10:24:14 AM
Jackson-Jardine:  Predictions?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on March 06, 2009, 11:52:43 AM
Jackson-Jardine:  Predictions?


I'll take rampage in the 2nd by TKO.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: foxmarten on March 06, 2009, 06:52:25 PM
My money is on the Dean of Mean.  I think he will take Rampage out with a liver shot (kick) in the third.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 06, 2009, 07:54:10 PM
At this point I doubt Jackson pyschologically/emotionally.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on March 07, 2009, 02:44:00 AM
If Jardine wins I'll have to believe the "Just showing up is half the battle" saying to its fullest.  I don't think I've ever seen a sloopier light heavyweight. . . ever.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 07, 2009, 03:44:29 AM
I must be getting even older and more out of date.

"Sloopier"?  :?
Title: Free MMA Event Tonite (3/7)
Post by: Chad on March 07, 2009, 10:28:10 AM
I'll be at work tonight so I will probably be watching this instead of Jackson KTFOing Jardine.  :lol:


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Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on March 08, 2009, 10:07:15 AM
Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:00 am EDT

White says officiating in MMA is terrible, there's only three good refs
By Steve Cofield

The officiating inside the cage at UFC 96 was a big topic in the aftermath. Referee Rick Fike started the night off in dubious fashion and Yves Lavigne almost got Pete Sell killed. That prompted UFC president Dana White to go on a tiraDe. He's so unhappy with the state of officiating in mixed martial arts that he stated there's only three good referees. And even those guys, he had trouble recalling.

Watch White talk about the refs and how he hurt his arm: http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/White-says-officiating-in-MMA-is-terrible-there?urn=mma,146522
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: foxmarten on March 08, 2009, 11:00:44 AM
As far as the refs go, I guess you get what you pay for.  Seems like a sport with this high a PPV gross could afford some full time guys. 

From the Washington Post (the rest of the article is pretty informative)

Today Yamasaki does about 15 events a year for various state athletic commissions, two or three fights each card. (Referees do not work for the UFC or other promotions.) He makes $1,000 per event in Nevada, a couple hundred more in California and New Jersey. The perks are few: a nice hotel; UFC swag; low-watt, pay-per-view celebrity. Mostly, his reward is to get splattered with blood, yelled at by drunks and bashed on fanboy Web sites. On the forums of Sherdog.com, a popular MMA site, Yamasaki can't ever seem to win -- he is described as both the "early stoppage king" and the guy who needs a "near-death KO for him to stop a fight."

"You've got two guys' lives in your hands," UFC president Dana White says about being an MMA ref. "It's the hardest job in sports."

Yamasaki doesn't care. "I'd do it for free," he says. "That's how much I love it."

Other than John McCarthy, MMA's longest-tenured ref and one of Yamasaki's close friends, Yamasaki has more experience than any ref in the sport. That doesn't stop controversy from finding him. In 2005, Yamasaki reffed a UFC fight between Phil "the New York Badass" Baroni and Pete "Drago" Sell. In the third round, Sell caught Baroni in a guillotine choke, basically a reverse headlock. A guillotine can put someone out quickly, and Sell had the choke sunk in for about 40 seconds. Because of Baroni's position -- facedown in a corner of the cage -- Yamasaki couldn't see that the fighter had passed out. He couldn't check Baroni's hands to see if they were limp or twitching. "The worst thing for an MMA ref is when a fighter's being choked and he's facedown and you can't see," McCarthy says.

Sell says Baroni was unconscious for much of the 40 seconds. Baroni declined to comment for this story, citing his concern that it might anger Yamasaki. But David Watson, the chief ringside physician for the Nevada Athletic Commission, didn't have the same compunction.

"I had a clear view," Watson says. "It felt to me like eight or 10 seconds longer than I would have liked. But I don't think it hurt Phil in the slightest."

When Sell flipped over, Baroni regained consciousness and tapped out. According to Watson, it wasn't a perilous amount of time to be out. But it looked frightening to spectators, and Yamasaki came under fire. It wasn't the first time. He missed an illegal blow to the groin in a championship fight between Matt Hughes and Frank Trigg. It almost cost Hughes the fight, and Yamasaki was excoriated on Internet forums. Yamasaki admits making mistakes but defends his overall record. "Out of 100 fights, I have maybe three or four questionable calls," he says. "I see things other people don't. I can see when a guy doesn't want to fight."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/10/AR2007071001618.html


Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on March 08, 2009, 12:05:21 PM
As far as the refs go, I guess you get what you pay for.  Seems like a sport with this high a PPV gross could afford some full time guys.

I think they are paid by the athletic commission to keep a certain level of impropriety. I'm not sure I would be cool with the UFC paying this guys directly, or even giving bonuses for title bouts or the like. Best to keep the organization and the commission completely seperate, IMHO.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 11, 2009, 07:32:44 PM
I hope the discussion about referees will keep going.

Changing subjects for the moment, how did the Jackson-Jardine fight go?  The other fights?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Rctrue on March 17, 2009, 10:54:31 AM
It was an excellent card.

Shane Carwin KOd Gonzaga 69 seconds into the first round brininging his record to 11-0 all KOs. Nobodies made it out of the first round with him. Shane is a phenom and one of the most gifted athletes in the country. He reminds me of a younger, faster, stronger Randy Couture. He will definitely go far in the sport.

Matt Hamill headkicked Munoz harder than Ive ever seen, earning him a $60,000 KO of the night bonus.

The Rampage fight was great. He seemed a bit hesitant to pull the trigger even when he had Jardine hurt. Big respect to both fighters. Rampage won by decision.

Rampage and Rashad had a s**t talking session in the cage after the fight to hype their title fight, but it turns out Rampage is going to wait and fight the winner of Rashad Evans Vs Lyoto Machida for the belt. If Rampage would've taken the title fight in May that would be his 3rd fight in 5 months!!


Besides the officiating it was an excellent card. Not one submission the entire night.

The refs need to be more consistent. I mean one fight got stopped way to early, even Dana was mad, and during the Brown Vs Sell fight Sell took massive amounts of unneeded damage. Even Matt Brown was yelling at the ref. Dana was  hurt his arm trying to get the ref to stop it.  Big John really was the best ref in the game.

How long do you guys think Machida will hold the belt? Could be along time if he beats Page

PS. My names Rich and I have massive amounts of respect for the tribe. Hopefully one day I can get to Ca and participate.

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 17, 2009, 01:05:16 PM
Woof Rich:

Thanks for taking the time for a quality report.

I remember fondly training with Lyoto at RAW Gym a few years back.  Very nice guy, class act.  His fighting exemplifies DB Kali Tudo Trigg 101 and Trigg 102.

Look forward to meeting you at our Gatherings.  90% of Life is showing up  :wink:

TAC!
CD
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Rctrue on March 18, 2009, 08:10:03 PM
Woof

Thanks for the response! Its an honor talking to you guys. Crafty Dog you are definitely a highly respected martial artist in my book, and I share the same view points as you on alot of things. It would be an honor to meet you in person. It is my goal to attend one.

Training with Lyoto Machida would be amazing! He has pinpoint accuracy, his elusiveness makes him almost untouchable, and he can roll with the best of them. Truly well rounded, and definitely ahead of his time.

Its amazing to me that his primary trainer is his father. I think they train Shotokan?
I know his resumé is incredible! BJ Penn, Rich Franklin, Sokoudjou, Tito Ortiz, Thiago Silva, etc. I dont see him getting beat anytime soon.

What are your thoughts on Fedor Emelianenko? He is probably my favorite fighter, but I really want to see him sign with the UFC so we can see him fight people like Randy, Brock, and Carwin. I do think his next fight against Josh Barnett will be his toughest fight to date.

Respect to all from Nebraska,
Rich

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Tom Stillman on March 18, 2009, 09:49:28 PM
Hey Rich, Welcome aboard bro! 8-)  Dog Tom
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on March 26, 2009, 03:46:55 PM
Can't wait for this one....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X85I_mHuyQk&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Tom Stillman on March 28, 2009, 03:52:13 PM
I am watching "The Ultimate Fighter" tv show right now. As I post this, there is a guy  named Tait Fletcher getting ready to fight . Among other things, he said he trains with an underground stick fighting group in Hermosa Beach. I wonder who that could be?  :-D 
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 28, 2009, 05:15:29 PM
For reasons not know to us, it is our understanding that his specific use of our name was edited out.  :? :roll:
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on March 29, 2009, 05:15:57 AM
I was watching Re-runs of Ultimate Fighter, Tait came of as snooty and sarcastic to me.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Tom Stillman on March 29, 2009, 01:40:07 PM
I don't think snooty so much. Just pumped up a little.  BTW,  I feel he was robed of the win by bad judging.  He clearly dominated that fight!  IMHO
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Rctrue on April 07, 2009, 12:34:27 AM
Frank Shamrock Vs Nick Diaz this Saturday on Showtime. I think Frank can win this one, but he needs to keep it standing. Diaz has great BJJ.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Blackwolf_101 on April 07, 2009, 05:04:38 AM
I like Frank, he has a Lot of skill and on paper should be able to pull this one out. Hopefully he learned from the the Cung Le  fight to not let his ego get the better of him and try and fight the other guys fight. i also Like Nick though Its a hard fight for me to pick but I think you are Right. If it goes to the ground Nick May have the advantage  if they keep it standing frank may be able to pull it off.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sisco T. on April 08, 2009, 04:17:14 AM
 i like nick diaz. i just think, even at 35-36 years of age, F. shamrock is too athletic and has too much game for nick. could be wrong- we'll find out this saturday. gonna be a GOOD fight.

 Francisco
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on April 11, 2009, 10:56:56 PM
Well, looks like we were all wrong. Shamrock got whooped! :oops:
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on April 15, 2009, 12:11:43 AM
Shamrock got paid 370,000 for that beating. Nick Diaz around 39,000.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on April 15, 2009, 10:52:35 AM
i dont have a link handy, but apparently frank shamrock had some busted ribs prior to the fight. i guess now knowing his payout, why he continued with the fight and not sit it out.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on April 15, 2009, 12:19:34 PM
I think Frank Shamrocks done. He could still fight of course, but not at the level everyone is at now in professional MMA. I read on Sherdog today that Lyoto Machida thinks Anderson Silva could take Fedor, if Fedor came down to 220 lbs. Lyoto stated that Anderson Silva's usually walks around at 215. I don't think Silva could hurt Fedor on the ground, even though he's a black belt in BJJ. Standing up, I think Fedor been in the ring with stronger fighters, i.e. , Crocop, Hunt. But then again I felt Frank Shamrock was going to knock out Diaz. Nothings a sure bet in MMA.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on April 15, 2009, 01:41:03 PM
on any given day, any fighter will beat any other fighter
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on April 18, 2009, 09:23:43 AM
I'll bet anyone here five bucks that someone is going to win the Liddell/Shogun fight tonight. :?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: peregrine on April 18, 2009, 12:08:43 PM
I think Frank Shamrocks done. He could still fight of course, but not at the level everyone is at now in professional MMA. I read on Sherdog today that Lyoto Machida thinks Anderson Silva could take Fedor, if Fedor came down to 220 lbs. Lyoto stated that Anderson Silva's usually walks around at 215. I don't think Silva could hurt Fedor on the ground, even though he's a black belt in BJJ. Standing up, I think Fedor been in the ring with stronger fighters, i.e. , Crocop, Hunt. But then again I felt Frank Shamrock was going to knock out Diaz. Nothings a sure bet in MMA.

Stronger opponents yes.
But AS has the best ringmanship which is a major factor in his game.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on April 18, 2009, 12:24:21 PM
I'll bet anyone here five bucks that someone is going to win the Liddell/Shogun fight tonight. :?

I'll take a million to one on that. Always a possibility of a double knockout lol.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhiHatGncek[/youtube]
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 18, 2009, 03:09:30 PM
Now there's a Black Swan Event!   :lol:
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on April 18, 2009, 04:59:17 PM
I think I've only ever seen one draw in the UFC . . .
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: foxmarten on April 18, 2009, 10:08:22 PM
I think I've only ever seen one draw in the UFC . . .

The Matt Hughes - Carlos Newton fight should have been a draw by dko.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 19, 2009, 07:54:57 AM
So, what happened last night?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on April 19, 2009, 08:28:10 AM
Liddel got stopped TKO, Silva won unanimous decisions.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on April 19, 2009, 09:18:20 AM
Check it out, hope this works! :-D

http://www.worldofcombat.net/index.php?id=630&z=manprev

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on April 19, 2009, 09:20:51 AM
Hope this works too! :evil:

http://www.worldofcombat.net/index.php?id=629&z=manprev
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on April 19, 2009, 09:27:34 AM
I thought Chuck Liddell was doing pretty good. Man you can tell when Liddell gets hit on the button his body fell the same way to Rampage, Evans, and Hoowa.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on April 19, 2009, 10:00:57 AM
Awesome Jeet Teks from Anderson along with just about every FMA destruction in the book other than split entries!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sisco T. on April 19, 2009, 04:45:42 PM
Awesome Jeet Teks from Anderson along with just about every FMA destruction in the book other than split entries!

 i am NO jkd guy, but i think that looked more along the lines of savate- coup de bas(sp?)- in my humble opinion. i say this because i've seen video of the place a. silva use to train in brazil(black house) and they have savateurs there. also i think a jeet tek is more along the lines of raising your foot when someone comes forward rather than actually attacking the knee/lower quad with that kick. he's also a TKD blackbelt so it may just be a low side kick.

 anyways, although i think if he wanted he couldve taken leites out anytime he realy wanted, he did many cool and effective techniques in that fight. there was even a kali tudo-esque elbow and punch to leites's foot when leites was on his back with his feet in the air. then there was that weird cross-step foot stomp he did, not to mention the thigh punching while standing.

 Francisco
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on April 19, 2009, 05:07:11 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DghW3qL80Ig[/youtube]

His Bruce Lee impression.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 19, 2009, 06:07:37 PM
Your guro is still to clueless to figure out the URL for that , , ,
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on April 19, 2009, 07:47:51 PM
Your guro is still to clueless to figure out the URL for that , , ,

Woof Guro Crafty,

At the very end the URL appears just to the right of the "Replay" button. Then its a matter of cut and paste.

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on April 20, 2009, 08:00:09 AM
woof all:

i got these off of http://www.spladdle.com which probably got them from elsewhere... i uploaded the pix to my pichost as to save the bandwidth of the pichosts used

my thanks to the animated gif makers!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/ufc97/ufc97-silvaXleites02.gif)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/ufc97/ufc97-silvaXleites01.gif)

~sg

edit:  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/ufc97/ufc97-silvaXleites03.gif)

this one i found off of mma core.... props to the gif makers there!  daniel duby's form looks superwicked when he does this kick
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on April 20, 2009, 09:31:30 AM
Silva's a badass!

MMA fans are idiots, for booing this man!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 20, 2009, 10:01:03 AM
Chad:  Thanks.

SG:  Thanks.

Amazing footage!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on April 20, 2009, 10:05:18 AM
Silva's a badass!

MMA fans are idiots, for booing this man!

it is possible the fans were booing leites' buttflopping instead
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on April 20, 2009, 02:02:13 PM
Quote
it is possible the fans were booing leites' buttflopping instead

Possibly, but even Dana White had something negative to say. 

Hopefully a friend recorded the fight on their DVR.

‘Spider’ Bites

For the second time in as many appearances, middleweight champion Anderson Silva finds himself under heavy scrutiny from fans and the media. Not even White, one of his most ardent supporters, could look past his performance in a lackluster five-round decision win against Thales Leites at UFC 97.

“I wasn’t thrilled with it,” said White, who later hinted at challenging the champion with a return to the 205-pound division. “I did not like the fight at all -- on either side.”

Silva moved into the record books as he passed UFC hall of famer Royce Gracie and welterweight contender Jon Fitch for most consecutive victories inside the Octagon with his ninth. The 34-year-old Brazilian has won 10 straight bouts overall. Still, he wound up on the defensive after his triumph over Leites.

Photo by Sherdog.com

Fans chanted for GSP at UFC 97.
“I go out there and train to try and be efficient and have a perfect fight,” Silva said. “Not every fight is going to be a knockout. Not every fight is going to be a spectacular finish. What I trained to do, I felt like I executed in there. He wasn’t able to execute his game, and I was able to do mine. I walked away with the victory and the belt still.”

Silva was visibly flustered by the negative reaction he received but remained diplomatic in the face of criticism.

“I’m comfortable with people’s opinions,” he said. “People have a right to their own opinions. I was unable to finish. Sometimes, I’m able to finish guys; sometimes, I’m not able to. I proved to everybody I can go five rounds and I’m in good shape.”

White addressed a potential showdown between Silva and current welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre, who will defend his belt against Brazilian bomber Thiago Alves at UFC 100 on July 11 in Las Vegas. Chants of “GSP! GSP!” rang out during the Silva-Leites match.

“Everybody’s chanting GSP,” White said. “GSP has probably the toughest fight of his career coming up. Do not overlook Thiago Alves. That’s going to be a very hard fight for him. Georges St. Pierre can’t start looking at Anderson Silva until he gets past Thiago Alves.”
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: foxmarten on April 20, 2009, 09:00:49 PM
[Silva was visibly flustered by the negative reaction he received but remained diplomatic in the face of criticism.

“I’m comfortable with people’s opinions,” he said. “People have a right to their own opinions. I was unable to finish. Sometimes, I’m able to finish guys; sometimes, I’m not able to. I proved to everybody I can go five rounds and I’m in good shape.”

I'm not sure that he even tried to finish, but it has always been the burden of the challenger to "take the belt decisively".  I thought that the Silva's side kicks to the knee were interesting in that they weren't the range rinding kicks of bjj like royce used effectively in the early UFCs, but more like a straightforward attempt to disrupt his opponents ACL.  I wonder if attacks like this which are designed to inflict serious permanent injury are going to make a comeback in the UFC.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on April 20, 2009, 09:09:41 PM
Another Grease Gate?

http://sherdog.com/news/articles/silva-manager-calls-greasing-talk-ridiculous-17099

All the drama of boxing coming to MMA!?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 21, 2009, 12:11:24 AM
" I thought that the Silva's side kicks to the knee were interesting in that they weren't the range rinding kicks of bjj like royce used effectively in the early UFCs, but more like a straightforward attempt to disrupt his opponents ACL.  I wonder if attacks like this which are designed to inflict serious permanent injury are going to make a comeback in the UFC."

I'd call them chasse's more than I would side kicks, but still the question is an interesting one.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on April 29, 2009, 06:47:50 AM
Looks like Anderson Silva vs. Forrest Griffin is on for Aug. 8 UFC. Should be a doozie! :-P
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: matinik on April 29, 2009, 09:38:37 PM
anderson silva always puts on a terrific show, so i suppose that's why most
people are upset about his supposed "lackluster" showing with thiago. BTW,
silva's buddy, lyto (sp?) machida is doing pretty dang good. nice to see a different
template (shotokan) used effectively in MMA, although machida's style got
a lot of flack early on, with audiences not used to seeing a more "traditional"
flavor from a fighter. his fight with rashad evans should be a good match up.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on May 11, 2009, 11:52:00 AM
Anyone have any thoughts on Kyle Maynard fighting?  One side of me says, "if he wants to do it."  While the other side of me says that it's wrong on many levels.

http://blog.ticketbiscuit.com/2009/04/28/kyle-maynard-mma-debut-fight-videos/
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on May 12, 2009, 08:20:59 AM
Anyone have any thoughts on Kyle Maynard fighting?  One side of me says, "if he wants to do it."  While the other side of me says that it's wrong on many levels.

http://blog.ticketbiscuit.com/2009/04/28/kyle-maynard-mma-debut-fight-videos/

woof Ryan,

i know what you mean, and i am of the same mind. but Kyle Maynard has shown he can handle himself... he can do takedowns and chokes. a true testament to the indomitable human will.
Title: superman punch in MMA
Post by: Stickgrappler on May 12, 2009, 08:22:31 AM
woof all:

just curious, does anyone recall the first instance of the superman punch in MMA? here's an early instance from 2006.

BIB - Beatdown in Bakersfield - Savant Young X Danny Suarez - 2006-11-17

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/BIB-SavantYoungXDannySuarez1-320.gif)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/BIB-SavantYoungXDannySuarez2-320.gif)

the animated pix were made by me off of a youtube flv... quality is not that good as you can see, but source was from the below youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFh3mVbIUOI&feature=player_embedded

2 recent instances of the superman punch. not my pix, my thanks to the unknown gif maker(s) on them:

UFC 92 - Forrest Griffin X Rashad Evans

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/UFC92-GriffinXEvans-SupermanPunch.gif)

UFC 94 - GSP X BJ Penn

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/UFC94-GSPXPenn-SupermanPunch.gif)

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on May 12, 2009, 09:30:52 AM
I remember seeing it as early as '96 in a Ohio "NHB" show by a guy with full Thai wear on; shorts, arm bands, etc.  :-D  Also, interestingly enough Ajarn Chai calls it "Mat Gatun" which means "pushing fist."
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: rio on May 12, 2009, 09:31:19 AM
you might want to research Todd and Trevor Laly from Arizona Combat Sports. I remember them using the "superman" back in the late 90's early 2k's. some people think they were the innovators that punch, bringing it over to MMA with all their Muay Thai background.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on May 12, 2009, 10:27:00 AM
woof Ryan and rio:

thank you for the info!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 12, 2009, 07:24:47 PM
Ron Balicki shared that with me back around '96-97.  It wouldn't surprise me if he got it from Erik Paulsen.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on May 12, 2009, 09:39:39 PM
Ron Balicki shared that with me back around '96-97.  It wouldn't surprise me if he got it from Erik Paulsen.

Guro,

"that" being the superman punch?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on May 12, 2009, 09:52:54 PM
woof Guro Crafty et al:

Ron Balicki shared that with me back around '96-97.  It wouldn't surprise me if he got it from Erik Paulsen.

as Ryan is guessing, i'm guessing the same... thank you for the info!

-----------------------------------------------

some more animated GIF's:

BFC (Bellator Fighting Championship) 6 - Yahir Reyes X Estevan Payan - 5/8/2009 - Reyes with a spinning backfist KO of Payan.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/BFC6-ReyesXPayan1.gif)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/BFC6-ReyesXPayan2.gif)

speaking of Bellator, if the above is in the lead of KO of the year, check out what should be in the running for submission of the year below:

BFC (Bellator Fighting Championships) 5 - Toby Imada X Jorge Masvidal - 5/1/2009. Imada with an Inverted Triangle Choke.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/BFC5-ImadaXMasvidal1.gif)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/BFC5-ImadaXMasvidal2.gif)

speaking of spinning backfist KO's... i don't know the venue/fight nor the fighters, but 'blue' goes for a left hook, 'red' counters with a spinning backfist for the KO.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/MT-SpinBackfistCounterLtHook.gif)

NOTE:  my thanks to the unknown GIF maker(s) of the above 5 pix.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on May 14, 2009, 09:19:15 AM
BTW, [anderson] silva's buddy, lyto (sp?) machida is doing pretty dang good. nice to see a different
template (shotokan) used effectively in MMA, although machida's style got
a lot of flack early on, with audiences not used to seeing a more "traditional"
flavor from a fighter. his fight with rashad evans should be a good match up.

NOTE:  this post contains gif's that i didn't make. i dl'd off of Spladdle blog and uploaded to my pichost to save on bandwith. my thanks to the unknown gif maker(s).

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Let's take a look at Lyoto 'The Dragon' Machida. Some takedowns:

UFC 76 - Lyoto vs Nakamura

2 takedowns in this gif

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/Lyoto/UFC76-LyotoXNakamura.gif)

1st one is probably in other MA, but when i first saw it, my knee-jerk reaction was that it's a silat takedown called Kengit Siko

2nd takedown is off of a rear strike and rear leg trips/sweeps

WFA - Lyoto vs Vernon White

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/Lyoto/WFA-LyotoXVernonWhite.gif)

rear strike, steps through with what was the rear leg, it's lead leg now and trips/sweeps

UFC 79 - Lyoto vs Sokoudjou

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/Lyoto/UFC79-LyotoXSokoudjou.gif)

rear strike, steps through with what was the rear leg, it's lead leg now and trips/sweeps

UFC 67 - Lyoto vs Sam Hoger

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/Lyoto/UFC67-LyotoXSamHoger.gif)

takedown look familiar? :-)

UFC 84 - Lyoto vs Tito Ortiz

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/Lyoto/UFC84-LyotoXTitoOrtiz.gif)

what's this suplex called? if it can be called a suplex.

K1 Heroes 1 - Lyoto vx BJ Penn

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/Lyoto/K1-Heroes1-LyotoXBJPenn1.gif)

how would you describe this takedown? push head with arm action and leg sweep/trip?


EDIT:  missed these 2...my thanks to unknown gif maker(s)


UFC 94 - Lyoto vs Thiago Silva

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/Lyoto/UFC94-LyotoXThiagoSilva1.gif)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/Lyoto/UFC94-LyotoXThiagoSilva2.gif)
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: matinik on May 14, 2009, 09:38:29 PM
nice posts, stickgrappler! enjoyed the clips! i agree with you about some of the sweeps
having that silat/kali flava! lyoto's setup of the "sapus" are very interesting. all the more
interesting is the fact that he does it on the fly! :mrgreen: and get this: rashad, from an interview
i saw is familiar (to what extent, i'm not sure) with 52 blocks (AKA jailhouse rock), a style that
has some very nice kali/silat flava, specially with the 'bows and such.
Machida vs. Evans: Interesting Indeed!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: peregrine on May 15, 2009, 02:21:13 AM
you might want to research Todd and Trevor Laly from Arizona Combat Sports. I remember them using the "superman" back in the late 90's early 2k's. some people think they were the innovators that punch, bringing it over to MMA with all their Muay Thai background.

They're originally out of AMC.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on May 15, 2009, 06:19:10 AM
woof matinik:

nice posts, stickgrappler! enjoyed the clips!

tail wags for the kind words. i had fun making them. looking to make more  :-)

Quote
i agree with you about some of the sweeps
having that silat/kali flava! lyoto's setup of the "sapus" are very interesting. all the more
interesting is the fact that he does it on the fly! :mrgreen: and get this: rashad, from an interview
i saw is familiar (to what extent, i'm not sure) with 52 blocks (AKA jailhouse rock), a style that
has some very nice kali/silat flava, specially with the 'bows and such.
Machida vs. Evans: Interesting Indeed!

ronin informed me that what looked like sapus to me is in shotokan.  i don't doubt that the techniques that we see in one style/system will exist in another system. after all, we all have 2 arms and 2 legs and limited range of motion. although one of my training partners has his black belt in shotokan, he didn't see the clips yet nor do we go over shotokan when we do train.

a long time ago i watched a youtube clip. a friend, Daniel Marks, interviewed Rashad Evans about 52. that may be the same one you saw. i will have to watch it again and to check to see anything new uploaded to youtube.

woof peregrine:

you might want to research Todd and Trevor Laly from Arizona Combat Sports. I remember them using the "superman" back in the late 90's early 2k's. some people think they were the innovators that punch, bringing it over to MMA with all their Muay Thai background.

They're originally out of AMC.

sorry what is AMC? thank you in advance!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: peregrine on May 15, 2009, 05:21:29 PM
AMC = AMC Pankration in WA.
Matt Humes fight gym...
http://www.azcombatsports.com/welcome/instructors/
"Trevor was lucky enough to start his martial arts career of kickboxing at the now famous AMC under the expert tutelage of Huru Shuminishi trainer of eight world champions"
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 15, 2009, 06:38:53 PM
SG:

Would you please be so kind as to send me these various clips in as high a resolution as feasible please?  It would be greatly appreciated.

Craftydog@dogbrothers.com
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on May 15, 2009, 10:02:28 PM
ronin informed me that what looked like sapus to me is in shotokan.  i don't doubt that the techniques that we see in one style/system will exist in another system. after all, we all have 2 arms and 2 legs and limited range of motion. although one of my training partners has his black belt in shotokan, he didn't see the clips yet nor do we go over shotokan when we do train.

Woof SG,

heres a good article on Lyoto: http://www.fightmagazine.com/mma-magazine/mma-article.asp?aid=265&issid=20

Here's a clip relevent to Shotokan:

“I’m still a counter-striker, but now I keep going forward. I stay aggressive. I wanted to show people more of my technique. I wanted to show them that I could knock a guy out.” Why? Because unlike what you might assume after having watched Machida dance away from trouble for most of his career, the key distinction between Shotokan and other forms of karate is not defensive technique— which is more or less consistent throughout every karate sub-discipline—but the art of the power strike. “One punch has to take the guy down,” he explains. “But you have to strike at the right time and at the right distance.”

And that’s when it truly begins to make sense. Machida hasn’t merely made a politically expedient decision to curry favor with the UFC brass and its fans. He’s fi ghting for his family’s honor; he’s taking it personally. “I’m trying to bring out the essence of karate as a martial art, not the sport of karate, not what you see in karate competition,” he tells me. “In pure karate, there’s knees and elbows and different types of strikes, and I’m trying to bring back that type of style.” In other words, Machida has decided to send a message to the uninitiated: If you think Shotokan fi ghters can’t knock a man out, you better watch yourself, because Lyoto Machida is about to violently demonstrate the error of your ways. And while he may have been untouchable during his UFC run thus far, he has only begun to realize his full potential.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on May 16, 2009, 09:23:05 AM
woof Chad,

thank you for the info!

~sg
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: matinik on May 23, 2009, 09:57:40 PM
Did lyoto machida usher in a new paradigm shift in MMA with his win over
Rashad Evans? His  effective use of shotokan (his family style) seemed to have opened up
some new and exciting possibilities beyond the BJJ/Muay thai Template.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on May 23, 2009, 10:18:59 PM
Guess we won't see anyone twisting their nipples in the Octagon today!? :-D
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 24, 2009, 08:28:26 AM
Does anyone have youtube URL of the fight?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on May 24, 2009, 11:18:31 AM
Youtube hardly ever has the fights. Try this site mmalinker.com

http://mmalinker.com/search/zero/MR/1/0/20/mr/15921/i/lyoto_the_dragon_machida_vs_rashad_evans.html

It will upload.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on May 24, 2009, 11:21:33 AM
Rashad Evans lost me when he tweaked his nips and danced that jig. Lyoto on the other hand is humble and shows the other fighter respect when he smashes their face in?! :?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Karsk on May 24, 2009, 10:47:09 PM
Pretty interesting fight.  Lyoto fought from a front stance at the outside edge of the distance.  I looked over all of the fights that I could find of him when I first heard of him on youtube because he has a shotokan background and that is my main emphasis.  His speed and timing is phenomenal.  I watched the brief about how he trains movement and accuracy on Spike a few days ago.  Also pretty interesting.  His Dad (his teacher) really emphasized evasiveness I think.  If you watch the videos carefully you can see that he uses a changing lead attack (front punch kind of thing).   He varies the timing between when he steps and when his hand comes out situationally but he is still changing leads and using that forward motion to attack.  Thats also the base of those sweeps methinks.

Cheers,

Karsk
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on May 25, 2009, 01:20:53 PM
Well looks like Jose Conseco is fighting is the next Dream event in Japan against Hong Man Choi, the seven foot something giant from Korea...it's sad! :?

http://sherdog.com/pictures/event/pictures-dream-pre-fight-presser-17619
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on May 26, 2009, 08:01:50 AM
Well looks like Jose Conseco is fighting is the next Dream event in Japan against Hong Man Choi, the seven foot something giant from Korea...it's sad! :?

http://sherdog.com/pictures/event/pictures-dream-pre-fight-presser-17619

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/canseco+hong+man/video/x9ef1v_hong-man-choi-v-jose-canseco-dream_sport
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on May 26, 2009, 09:33:44 AM
Enjoy!

HUGHES X SERRA

My thanks to the GIF makers at FightReport.com. Round 1. Click the pic for a bigger picture.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/ufc98/th_UFC98-HughesXSerra-1.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/ufc98/?action=view&current=UFC98-HughesXSerra-1.gif)

My thanks to the unknown GIF maker. Round 3. Click the pic for a bigger picture. Click the animated GIF for a bigger picture.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/ufc98/th_UFC98-HughesXSerra-2.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/ufc98/?action=view&current=UFC98-HughesXSerra-2.gif)


EVANS X MACHIDA

My thanks to the GIF makers at mma-core.com for the next 4 pictures. Click the pix  for a bigger picture

Machida's knockout of Evans

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/ufc98/th_UFC98-LyotoXEvans-1.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/ufc98/?action=view&current=UFC98-LyotoXEvans-1.gif)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/ufc98/th_UFC98-LyotoXEvans-2.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/ufc98/?action=view&current=UFC98-LyotoXEvans-2.gif)

Earlier in the fight

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/ufc98/th_UFC98-LyotoXEvans-3.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/ufc98/?action=view&current=UFC98-LyotoXEvans-3.gif)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/ufc98/th_UFC98-LyotoXEvans-4.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/ufc98/?action=view&current=UFC98-LyotoXEvans-4.gif)
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on May 26, 2009, 01:38:48 PM
2 joke animated gif's i've found off of the net. The first one was made before the fight this past Saturday. The second was made after the fight. My thanks to the unknown gif maker(s).

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/ufc98/th_machidagif.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/ufc98/?action=view&current=machidagif.gif)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/ufc98/th_lyotodimmak.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/ufc98/?action=view&current=lyotodimmak.gif)

click the thumbnails for bigger pictures.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on May 26, 2009, 10:12:19 PM
OK, i made this animated gif.... it's Lyoto's "boxing blast"

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Stickgrappler/mma/ufc98/UFC98-LyotoXEvans-boxingblast624x35.gif)

SIZE!

way past my bedtime... gn all.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 27, 2009, 01:25:47 AM
Which looks pretty much exactly like the straight blast as taught by Guro Inosanto and then popularlized by Paul Vunak in the early to mid 80s if not sooner.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on May 27, 2009, 08:04:04 AM
woof Guro Crafty,

Which looks pretty much exactly like the straight blast as taught by Guro Inosanto and then popularlized by Paul Vunak in the early to mid 80s if not sooner.

thank you for the info!

~sg
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Jonobos on May 31, 2009, 01:28:07 PM
Wow, I really enjoyed all those .gifs Stickgrappler! They really showed the angles that set up those sweeps. Sometimes that stuff is very subtle at full speed, but slowed down like that you can even tell which direction he pulled the legs out from under his opponents.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on June 01, 2009, 09:25:50 AM
woof Jonobos:

Wow, I really enjoyed all those .gifs Stickgrappler! They really showed the angles that set up those sweeps. Sometimes that stuff is very subtle at full speed, but slowed down like that you can even tell which direction he pulled the legs out from under his opponents.

cool! thank you. of the ones i made, i had fun. yeah, watching it realtime, it's possible to miss details. making the gif's/finding gif's helps me isolate certain techniques and it totally helps me in my understanding.

very truly yours in the MA,

~sg
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on June 02, 2009, 06:15:08 PM
http://sherdog.com/news/news/update-tuf-takes-slice-17739 (http://sherdog.com/news/news/update-tuf-takes-slice-17739)

“Kimbo Slice” will be among the 16 heavyweight fighters to join the 10th season of “The Ultimate Fighter,” which starts shooting this week in Las Vegas.


Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 03, 2009, 03:11:45 AM
Never a dull moment  :lol:
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on June 05, 2009, 07:58:12 AM
woof:

ugh on Kimbo Slice

sorry to all, i exceeded my 25gb monthly bandwidth on photobucket. looks like the pix will 'come back' on 6/27

~sg
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on June 07, 2009, 05:11:24 AM
Arvloski got KO'd in 22 secs!!!!!!!!!!! :-o

http://sherdog.com/
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 07, 2009, 06:48:52 AM
For some reason I always liked Arlovski.  The loss to Fedor was a heartbreaker, but arguably could be blamed on his doing a flying leap chin first into Fedor's big right.  However, with this loss it appears to be time to consider moving on.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on June 07, 2009, 08:59:00 AM
I agree completely, the guy is good but does not have the chin to take a shot. In the heavyweight division there are to many guys that can put somebody down with one shot. Besides Arvloski is taking the boxing aspect as the ultimate solution to his game. Josh Barnett said it himself MMA is not boxing.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on June 14, 2009, 09:27:39 AM
WOW!!! That's all I can say!  Tim Sylvia got whooped by Ray Mercer!!! :?

http://www.mmalinker.com/xExternal.php?vidid=16788

Slow motion.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on June 14, 2009, 07:47:55 PM
WOW!!! That's all I can say!  Tim Sylvia got whooped by Ray Mercer!!! :?

http://www.mmalinker.com/xExternal.php?vidid=16788

Slow motion.

Even Kimbo didn't try to stand Toe 2 Toe.  Mercer has many years behind him as a Pro Boxer.

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 14, 2009, 09:22:12 PM
WHEN was Mercer fighting?  It seems like QUITE a long time ago.  IIRC he came to boxing late in life, with little but lots of power and lots of chin and that his last several fights were quite hard on him.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: selfcritical on June 14, 2009, 09:59:53 PM
What's hilarious is that Tim broke what was apparently a "gentleman's agreement" that he wouldn't kick etc, but when he decided to start cheating, didn't have the sense to try for a takedown instead.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Dog Robertlk808 on June 14, 2009, 10:29:45 PM
WHEN was Mercer fighting?  It seems like QUITE a long time ago.  IIRC he came to boxing late in life, with little but lots of power and lots of chin and that his last several fights were quite hard on him.

Ray Mercer was a 1988 Olympian, entered boxing in 1989 and has been fighting on and off since then. Last boxing match was in 2008, Sweden.

Complete record here:
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=1620&cat=boxer (http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=1620&cat=boxer)
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on June 22, 2009, 10:17:36 AM
woof all,

Stickgrappler and I have a league started over at fantasy.ufc.com
If anyone is interested, shoot me PM with your email and I will invite you to play.
The next event to pick is UFC 100 in about 20 three weeks.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on July 02, 2009, 05:33:02 AM
Ummm...I like! :-D

http://www.sherdog.com/pictures/gallery/fighter/f_14477/81577/25
Title: Josh Koshchek
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 02, 2009, 09:13:48 AM
Josh Koshchek:  Discuss strengths and weaknesses please.  Any footage of him fighting?

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on July 08, 2009, 11:48:15 AM
woof all,

Stickgrappler and I have a league started over at fantasy.ufc.com
If anyone is interested, shoot me PM with your email and I will invite you to play.
The next event to pick is UFC 100 in about three weeks.

Last chance to join before UFC 100
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on July 09, 2009, 06:14:29 AM
woof all,

Stickgrappler and I have a league started over at fantasy.ufc.com
If anyone is interested, shoot me PM with your email and I will invite you to play.
The next event to pick is UFC 100 in about three weeks.

Last chance to join before UFC 100

woof:

i missed your earlier post Chad :-(

i have about 50% if not a little more of my picks down... will get the rest in before cutoff...

the rest of you, come join in on the fun!

Title: Re: Josh Koshchek
Post by: Stickgrappler on July 09, 2009, 06:16:06 AM
Josh Koshchek:  Discuss strengths and weaknesses please.  Any footage of him fighting?



woof Guro,

i haven't really watched his fights before, will check some out. my coworker, who has a good memory, and loves MMA, says koscheck is a good fighter and he's got good wrestling. of course my coworker is not a MA-ist so i will have to check out koscheck's fights before commenting.

~sg
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: selfcritical on July 09, 2009, 08:09:35 AM
Josh is probably the best pure athlete other than GSP at welterweight, and the most decorated wrestler. It was a big deal when he went on TUF instead of trying out for the olympics.

Josh doesn't always demonstrate this, because he's started to get heavy hands, and only spends about %10 of his training on wrestling now. I believe that was a bit of a tactical error going into the GSP fight.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 09, 2009, 09:50:10 AM
Selfcritical-- thank you.

Any URLs anyone?

TIA,
CD
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on July 10, 2009, 07:24:29 AM
woof:

i asked on http://www.spladdle.com (http://www.spladdle.com), my friends there replied with:

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He's an excellent wrestler. One of the very best in MMA.
Lately he's developed a dangerous standup game too. only problem if any is he lately has neglected his wrestling to "keep it standing" perhaps when he should have wrestled, but overall, the definition of tough.

and

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He also doesn't mind to take fights last minute or without a big rest in between.

pretty much what selfcritical said.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on July 13, 2009, 02:12:41 PM
UFC 100 in the books

woof all, sorry for not being able to post sooner... animated gif's from 3 of the fights from UFC 100

My thanks to the original gif makers and to my friend Ausgepicht for posting the gif's to his forum http://www.spladdle.com/forum (http://www.spladdle.com/forum). I uploaded to my pichosts to help save on bandwidth. Enjoy!




GEORGES ST. PIERRE VS THIAGO ALVES

(http://i32.tinypic.com/w0kqrl.jpg)

GSP won by unanimous decision. Despite a groin pull, GSP throughout 5 rounds continually took Alves down and controlled him on the ground. GSP's takedowns scared off Alves' kicks.



BROCK LESNAR VS FRANK MIR

Frank Mir's best chance in round 2 against Brock Lesnar was this exchange.

(http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx166/stickgrapplerblogspot/ufc/ufc100/UFC100-Lesnar-Mir1.gif)

This was Round 2 of Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir. Round 1 was almost the whole round of Brock ground and pound similar to the round 2 G&P.

(http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx166/stickgrapplerblogspot/ufc/ufc100/UFC100-Lesnar-Mir2.gif)



DAN HENDERSON VS MICHAEL BISPING

Henderson and Bisping fought because they were the coaches of The Ultimate Fighter season 9.

Bisping, known as a stand-up fighter only, tries to take world-class wrestler Henderson down.

(http://i26.tinypic.com/fdee6e.jpg)

The KO that put Bisping to sleep.

(http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx166/stickgrapplerblogspot/ufc/ufc100/UFC100-HendersonBisping1.gif)

Here's a bigger pic of the flying elbow/forearm after the KO.

(http://i29.tinypic.com/14louu8.jpg)

Bisping was told by his corner to stop circling to Henderson's power which was his right. One of Boxing's maxims says the same thing. He paid by not listening to the advice.

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: bedens on July 13, 2009, 02:31:38 PM
Well, I did better than I thought I would in the fantasy league (kickinfamily)... :)

Thanks for posting the animated GIFs, SG!

- Bert
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on July 14, 2009, 01:22:53 PM
woof bedens/kickinfamily:

Well, I did better than I thought I would in the fantasy league (kickinfamily)... :)

Thanks for posting the animated GIFs, SG!

- Bert

congrats! was it your first time like me? if Chad and Morgan pick better and we both continue with our accurate picks, we may win! lol

~sg
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: bedens on July 15, 2009, 02:43:06 PM
woof bedens/kickinfamily:

congrats! was it your first time like me? if Chad and Morgan pick better and we both continue with our accurate picks, we may win! lol

~sg

Yes, it was... I didn't even know it existed until I saw Chad's post... I think I was struck with pure luck this time... :)

- Bert
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on July 17, 2009, 06:07:36 AM
woof bedens/kickinfamily:

congrats! was it your first time like me? if Chad and Morgan pick better and we both continue with our accurate picks, we may win! lol

~sg

Yes, it was... I didn't even know it existed until I saw Chad's post... I think I was struck with pure luck this time... :)

- Bert

woof!

ah, hope we did use up our (beginner's) luck then ... sometime over the w/e i am going to check out the next one and figure out my picks :-)
Title: Not sure what to make of this , , ,
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 23, 2009, 10:52:23 AM
Hello,

My name is Kristen and I am a Casting Producer for the ABC hit reality show 'Wife Swap.' We are currently casting for our fifth season and we are looking for Ultimate Fighters and their families. We want to feature a family with at least one member is on or dreams of being on UFC Circuit. We think this is a great opportunity to feature the sport and have fun for the whole family.

The premise of Wife Swap is simple: for seven days, two wives from two different families with very different values exchange husbands, children and lives (but not bedrooms) to discover what it's like to live a different family's life. It's an interesting social experiment and a great way to see your family in a whole new light. It is shot as a documentary series, so NO scripts and no set. It's just one camera that is documenting your life.

Families that appear on the show will receive a financial honorarium for lost wages, time and commitment. And if you refer a family that appears on the show you would receive $1000.Here at 'Wife Swap' we look for a two-parent home with at least one child between the ages of 6 and 17 living at home full time.

If you are interested, please email me your contact information and tell me a little about your family. Or if you would like to refer a family, please email me their contact information and I will be in touch.

Thank you!

Kristen Phelan

Casting Associate Producer
RDF Media USA
100 6th Ave, 3rd Floor,Suite 3-29
NY, NY 10013
P: 646.747.7936
E: Casting.Kristen@gmail.com

 
Title: Affliction finished. Fedor to UFC?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 25, 2009, 06:08:59 AM
Affliction folds promotion, will sponsor UFC
By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports

  After promoting two critically acclaimed but financially disastrous mixed martial arts cards, Affliction on Friday first canceled its pay-per-view card scheduled for Aug. 1 and then opted to get out of the promotional business.

Affliction released a statement Friday evening in which it announced “a collaboration with the UFC.” It confirmed that it will cease operations as a fight promoter and that its clothing division will become a UFC sponsor.

“Our brand is synonymous with the ‘Live Fast’ approach to life and UFC is the perfect venue for us to market our brand. We have come to an agreement with the UFC which we feel will be the best for the sport and will help the UFC continue delivering the highest caliber of fights.” said Eric Foss, co-founder of Affliction.

Affliction had a card slated for Aug. 1 with a main event of Fedor Emelianenko, the No. 2 fighter in the Yahoo! Sports mixed martial arts rankings, against former UFC champion Josh Barnett at the Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif.

But Barnett tested positive for an anabolic steroid and on Tuesday was denied a license to fight by the California State Athletic Commission.

That left Affliction scrambling to find a replacement for Emelianenko. With no viable alternatives – the best was former UFC light heavyweight champion Vitor Belfort, who was already down to 195 pounds for a scheduled middleweight fight – Affliction early Friday opted to scrap the show.

Later in the day, Affliction came to terms on a deal with the UFC in which it would quit promoting fight cards. The UFC is likely to absorb the contracts of all Affliction fighters except Emelianenko.

Emelianenko’s contractual status is not known, though UFC president Dana White said Friday he is trying to negotiate a deal with the Russian.

Multiple sources had indicated to Yahoo! Sports that Affliction was on the verge of a deal with Strikeforce for some sort of merger, but that fell apart in the last 24-48 hours. That’s when talks began anew between White and Affliction. They had spoken earlier in July about such a scenario, but were unable to come to a deal.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on July 25, 2009, 01:27:12 PM
a step closer to fedor x couture or fedor x brock lesnar -- woohoo!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on July 29, 2009, 06:49:46 PM
Our UFC fanatsy league is still open to members, friends and family of the DBMAA. email me if you want in. Picks for UFC 101 are due at the end of next week.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on August 03, 2009, 12:20:34 PM
Looks like Fedor signed with Strikeforce. I am loosing faith in this guy. He is holding out for money, signs with a second tier promotion and basicallly refuses to fight the best fighters in the world right now. Press keeps on writing how he beat three former UFC Champions, well they are former Champions for a reason, they lost and are no longer associated with the UFC. The best fighters in MMA are in the UFC, those that deserve to be there will get there eventually. Personally I feel Brock Lesnar with knock Fedor out!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on August 05, 2009, 02:06:24 PM
Our UFC fanatsy league is still open to members, friends and family of the DBMAA. email me if you want in. Picks for UFC 101 are due at the end of next week.

i've made all my picks today. here's hoping beginner's luck is still with me lol
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: matinik on August 08, 2009, 09:12:09 PM

From cagewriter (Yahoo.com)

Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:58 pm EDT
Silva mocks, fights and delivers a highlight reel knockout

By Steve Cofield

Anderson Silva is awesome when he wants to be. Even Roy Jones Jr., who was "scouting" Silva the fight had to be proud. Jones used to toy with his opponent - the butcher and deliverymen - he faced throughout the 90's. Silva did the same with the former UFC light heavyweight champ Forrest Griffin. Silva floored Griffin 1:54 into the fight and from there Griffin looked tentative and slow. Silva was so confident he started dropping his hands and mocking the much bigger Griffin. Griffin tried a lunging right-left combination, Silva deftly backed out of the way and knocked down the big guy with a right moving backwards. Griffin fell to his back. He was done as the fight was stopped at the 3:23 mark. The always emotional Griffin ran from the cage back to the lockerrooms.


Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on August 09, 2009, 07:35:33 AM
Anderson Silva landed a perfectly timed punch. It did not look like much, but he landed it while Forrest was coming in. True fight science. I believe Bruce Lee mentioned something about that in his book. But then again nothing is new under the Sun.

Finally a UFC where everyone that should have won...won!

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on August 10, 2009, 01:21:39 PM
woof all:

looks like Griffin suffered a dislocated jaw from his fight with Silva

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/boxingandmma/5998996/Forrest-Griffin-camp-reveal-dislocated-jaw-as-Anderson-Silva-contemplates-Lyoto-Machida.html
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: bedens on August 10, 2009, 01:41:58 PM
Finally a UFC where everyone that should have won...won!

This was a tough one... I wanted Griffin to win but figured Silva would... Oh well...

At least BJ won... That's the one I was really hoping for...

And yeah, I didn't do too bad in the fantasy picks for the group... *nudge nudge to those who haven't joined* :)

Can't wait for 102! My school's having a tournament that day, and a bunch of us are heading to Buffalo Wild Wings afterwards for a watch party... Naked wings and rear naked chokes... What a combination! :)

- Bert
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on August 17, 2009, 07:42:41 AM
Anyone watch the Gina Carano and Cris Cyborg fight?

Good round I thought it was pretty even for that first round, and dare say Gina Carano was getting the better of her.

At one point in the fight Gina Carano had a full mount and Cris Cyborg was covering up. But Gina did the weirdest thing. She stood up and got off of Cris Cyborg. Let her get back up to resume the fight standing up! A FULL MOUNT AND SHE STOOD BACK UP!!! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!!! Somebody in her camp should address that issue. :?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on August 17, 2009, 07:44:38 AM
Gegard Mousasi is one to watch. Very talented fighter from Holland. I think he can give Anderson Silva or Lyoto Machida a run for their money! Lets hope he switches promotions and hops on the UFC bandwagon.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on September 14, 2009, 02:09:38 PM
Woof,

my apologies for slack during the summer months reguarding the UFC fantasy league. My picks for the 16th are in. The fantasy league continues to be open for dog brothers/friends/family. email me if you would like an invite. cbloom@live.com

I will post a UFC Fight Night thread in the public forums where we can discuss reactions and talk trash between bouts. I should get it up and running just prior to 8PM EST. Join me through the event and during the premeire of TUF: Heavyweights.

This thread will be for all forum members, not just fantasy leaguers- but be warned there will be SPOILERS!!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on September 17, 2009, 11:28:44 AM
Some very smooth lead switching last night from Roger H.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on September 18, 2009, 07:03:14 AM
Woof Ryan,

yes he looked good, I thought he would win IIRC that was his last fight on his contract?
Title: The UFC soap opera continues
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 24, 2009, 04:59:16 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_yl...e=lgns&print=1
Rampage claims he’s ‘done fighting’ in UFC

 By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports Sep 23, 2:38 am EDT



 

Former Ultimate Fighting Championship light heavyweight champion Quinton “Rampage” Jackson is no longer part of the UFC’s “A-Team,” according to a post on his blog.

Jackson, one of mixed martial arts’ biggest stars, wrote “I’m done fighting” in a post on his official blog and expressed displeasure with UFC president Dana White.
White, who bailed Jackson out of jail last year after an incident in which Jackson was driving his truck on the wrong side of the street, was angry with Jackson for accepting a role as B.A. Baracus, made famous by Mr. T on NBC, in “The A-Team” movie. Jackson pulled out of a planned Dec. 12 fight with Rashad Evans because it conflicted with the movie’s filming schedule.
In his post, Jackson wrote of a series of disagreements with management, which he said began shortly after he signed with the UFC. He said he was rushed into a championship fight with Chuck Liddell in 2007 before he was known by American fans. He said after the win over Liddell, the UFC arranged a fight with Dan Henderson without asking him and then pressured him earlier this year into fighting Evans instead of taking a championship shot against Lyoto Machida.
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Quinton Jackson



Jackson said he wanted to take the movie role because he used to watch the television show with his father and it brought back fond memories.
“Dana went on the Internet and mocked me because of that and I still did nothing,” Jackson wrote. “Dana and I finally talked and we made up and then after that he went back on the Internet and said some [expletive] and he was talking bad about the movie, when information is not even supposed to be released … My body has been getting so many different injuries that I won’t be able to fight until my 40s and neither do I want to fight that long. So I feel like my second career could be in jeopardy. So I’m done fighting. I’ve been getting negative reviews from the dumb ass fans that don’t pay my bills or put my kids though college. So I’m hanging it up.”
White declined to comment Tuesday. He had made no secret of his displeasure with Jackson for taking the role and said prior to UFC 103 on Saturday that he had not been speaking with Jackson.
But White told reporters at the postfight news conference that he and Jackson had mended fences and were speaking.
“We kind of made up,” White said. “We’re going to figure it out. [Jackson] wants the Rashad fight. He’s in Vancouver doing this movie. It is what it is. Now we just have to figure out when. We’ll see what happens.”
Jackson and Evans are coaches on the current season of “The Ultimate Fighter,” which airs on Spike TV. They were scheduled to fight Dec. 12 in Jackson’s hometown of Memphis, Tenn., at UFC 107.
The UFC’s stance has been that it has offered Jackson a choice after his victory over Keith Jardine at UFC 96 in March. He would have been able to fight Machida for the title at UFC 98 or to fight Evans. Jackson was angry that Evans came into the cage after his win over Jardine and Jackson reportedly chose the Evans fight.
At a media day in June in Las Vegas to promote the 10th season of “The Ultimate Fighter,” Jackson said he took the opportunity to coach on the show because of the exposure it would give him. He was clearly angry that some fans suggested he was afraid of Machida and said he wanted to fight Machida after he met Evans.
But in his post Tuesday, Jackson said that wasn’t the case. At the time Jackson defeated Jardine at UFC 96 in March, Evans held the UFC’s light heavyweight belt. Jackson fought Jardine with a jaw injury that would later require surgery and he declined to fight Evans in May.
Instead, Machida got the bout and knocked Evans out to claim the title. After that fight, White announced that Jackson had chosen to fight Evans and the two agreed to meet at UFC 107 after the conclusion of TUF.
Jackson supported that position publicly in numerous interviews but wrote in his blog Tuesday that White told him what to say.
“ … When Rashad got knocked out [by Machida at UFC 98], I told them I wanted to fight Machida for the belt, but Dana told me if I coach TUF against Rashad that I could fight Machida afterwards cause this was a different type of Ultimate Fighter show they were doing,” Jackson wrote. “After I signed the contract, Dana then changes his mind and says I have to fight Rashad and even told me what to say in the press and so my fans think I was scared to fight Machida. After all that, I still never complained and I did it all.”



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Title: JCVD, WTF?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 27, 2009, 10:57:54 AM


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From: Too Old for Action, http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...8:b27966834:z0


Quote:
Jean-Claude Van Damme, 49

At 49, Jean-Claude Van Damme doesn't put as many butts in seats as he used to. His 2008 release "JCVD" (that stands for Jean-Claude Van Damme for those of you on whom the subtlety of the title was lost) had a domestic gross of $470,691. But is this due to his inability to kick as high as he used to or the fact that audiences realized his movies just aren't that great? The "maturing" action star still appears to be in fighting shape. We hope so, for his sake at least. Not only is he costarring in 2010's "Universal Soldier: A New Beginning" with fellow faded actioner Dolph Lundgren, but he's also returning to the ring in real life in March 2010. He'll be going for five two-minute rounds against Thai Olympic boxing gold-medalist and muay thai fighter Somluck Kamsing. 
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on September 27, 2009, 08:40:49 PM
The guy should have took the money and ran...when he still had it!!!!! :?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 01, 2009, 09:58:43 AM
Comments on this season of TUF?

I admit to being engrossed in last night's episode.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guide Dog on October 01, 2009, 10:46:24 AM
I have only been able to catch bits and pieces of this season of TUF. I did read the following this morning:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dw-kimbo093009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: ObiJuan on October 01, 2009, 11:20:38 AM
So far Rampage has been keeping me laughing the whole time through the first three episodes.  ****Don't read below if you haven't seen the first three episodes and don't want it spoiled for ya friends :)  *****













The first fight with Abe Wagner was like something out of a crime scene . . . That guy was bleeding TONS, it kinda reminded me of seeing the head wounds some of the guys around here get at a Gathering, but Abe's wasn't spurting, it was FLOWING out of his head, like someone was changing the oil on his head and they had a pan underneath him, that fight was predictable, in that the wrestler was going to just shoot and possibly lay and pray, whatever Jiu-Jitsu skills Abe had with him, flowed out of his head with his blood and he lost . . .

On the second fight between Evans' #1 pick James McSweeney and Wes Shivers, I really think Shivers got robbed, he was active up to the time he gassed, he laid harder punches on McSweeney and even attempted some submissions but I guess they count off for when you get gassed now in TUF.  Cause McSweeney wasn't hurting the big guy, he had a guillotine but it was passed.

Kimbo and Roy Nelson . . . First, I gotta say that Nelson seems WAY too full of himself, he is his biggest fan, and with those two statements there, I'm sure alot of puns and humor could be formed at Roy's expense.  But I will save them to add to the ranting on the Underground forum.   But Dana even pointed it out that Roy wasn't even throwing hurting punches on Kimbo when he laid on him, I thought it was odd that Kimbo had trained with Rutten in the past for the Elite fights and that Rampage's team would've really worked more on his ground game.  I will say that my initial opinion of Kimbo from seeing some of his youtube vids and Elite fights that I wasn't impressed with his fight game and this fight showed the same, but I will say that he does present himself as a humble human being outside the Octagon on TUF and my opinion of him as a person has changed a little bit.

But as the saying goes, it isn't over til it's over . . .

Take Care Friends

- J
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 01, 2009, 12:48:51 PM
I had previously sensed substantial substance to Kimbo (I saw a couple of interviews a couple of years ago wherein he wasn't simply being marketed as the ultimate scary ghetto negro) but last night was something else.

What a great soap opera this season is turning into!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: ObiJuan on October 01, 2009, 01:06:21 PM
I had previously sensed substantial substance to Kimbo (I saw a couple of interviews a couple of years ago wherein he wasn't simply being marketed as the ultimate scary ghetto negro) but last night was something else.

What a great soap opera this season is turning into!

Woof Guro Crafty !!! :)

I missed you when you were here in Texas, hope to either head over there or hopefully for you to make a return back to TX.  But I wanted to ask you what your take was on the match between McSweeney and Shivers, do you think McSweeney won all three rounds or were the judges watching a different match ?

Take Care my friend :)

- J
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 07, 2009, 03:16:01 PM
Any word on this guy?

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/15/5x-worlds-strongest-man-mariusz-pudzianowski-set-for-mma-debut/
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: CrazyCossack on October 07, 2009, 07:57:27 PM
Any word on this guy?

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/15/5x-worlds-strongest-man-mariusz-pudzianowski-set-for-mma-debut/

I'm not sure about his technical fighting ability but the dude is a BEAST.  One of the, if not the most successful and decorated strongman competitors ever but also athletic in a way that many of them are not.  While he wasnt always the strongest (straight brute strength) he was always quicker, more agile, had better endurance and just overall more athletic than most of the guys.  He didnt weigh as much as the rest of his competition but he had all of these extra gifts. And even though he might not have had the most brute strength he was usually second or third in that category as well.

I'd compare him to brock lesnar in the same way that he's got insane strength and athleticism, although Pudz is probably stronger and a little bit less athletic.

If he can fight, actually even if he can't fight, he'll most likely do very very well.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: ARNISAMANITA on October 08, 2009, 02:21:42 PM
10?? deceduti.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on October 22, 2009, 02:18:02 PM
woof all:

ufc 104 this sat. forum member bedens' votes are in (kickinthefamily) as well as mine. please join us and forum member Chad in our ufc fantasy league.

should be good fight 'tween lyoto machida and mauricio rua.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 22, 2009, 06:07:57 PM
Go Lyotto!!!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Jonobos on October 23, 2009, 08:54:16 PM
Any word on this guy?

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/15/5x-worlds-strongest-man-mariusz-pudzianowski-set-for-mma-debut/

Back when I had cable I used to watch those strong man competitions. That guy was inspiring to say the least! If I recall correctly he does have previous martial arts experience. I can't recall off the top of my head what it was exactly, but I do remember thinking "jesus I would hate to be in a fight with that guy!" :P
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Rarick on October 24, 2009, 04:28:44 AM
Any word on this guy?

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/15/5x-worlds-strongest-man-mariusz-pudzianowski-set-for-mma-debut/

Back when I had cable I used to watch those strong man competitions. That guy was inspiring to say the least! If I recall correctly he does have previous martial arts experience. I can't recall off the top of my head what it was exactly, but I do remember thinking "jesus I would hate to be in a fight with that guy!" :P

He has people's attention.  It will be interesting to see how he develops.  One thing that has been evident watching the UFC is that a lot of muscle= limited endurance.  Can he retain all that strength and muscle and still win a long fight?  The other question is What kind of athelete is he really.  does he have the ability to do all terrain and sprint, or is he strictly a monster truck car crusher type and only capable of doing strength feats?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 24, 2009, 04:40:28 AM
I love it when questions are presented of/by archetypes.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 28, 2009, 05:23:22 AM
The following effort to drum up business showed up in my email box this AM.  The subject matter is interesting, but I have no idea as to whom these folks are or the veracity of the contents.
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Providing Legal Services to the Mixed Martial Arts and Apparel Communities

CAMO Presents Report at California State Athletic Commission Meeting
 
 

As an interested member of the MMA community, I attended the California State Athletic Commission meeting on Monday, October 26, 2009 to monitor the progress of the commission’s delegation of its oversight authority for mixed martial arts to the not-for-profit organization CAMO (California Amateur Mixed Martial Arts Organization).  CAMO presented its first quarterly report to the commission at the meeting.

 

CAMO assured the commission that its website www.camo-mma.org would be up and running about the time of the October 26, 2009 meeting.   CAMO indicated the site would include a full list of rules and regulations, the ability to sign up and get licensed, the ability to search for fighters and promoters who have created a profile, official’s records, and would list official amateur MMA and Pankration fight results and records. As of today, the website is still not fully functional.

 

CAMO told the commission that it's in the process of obtaining official 8 ounce gloves and rash guards to be used in competition by all amateur MMA fighters. The commission granted CAMO’s request to use 7 ounce gloves temporarily, until the 8 ounce gloves are ready.

Finally, CAMO told the commission it should be ready to oversee amateur events in November 2009, and has tentatively set its first Pro-Am event for late November 2009.

We encourage all members of the MMA community to closely watch the newly formed amateur division of the sport which includes not only the participants in the amateur events, but also the promoters, fighters, and others involved in the professional side as well.  The integrity of the sport deserves everyones attention.
                                                                                                                             
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Please call me at 714-432-8700 or email jmarlo@hkclaw.com for a free initial legal consultation. 

 

Sincerely,

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Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: drammel on November 03, 2009, 07:02:35 AM
Big fights this weekend on CBS. Fedor vs Rogers and Miller vs Shields, should be fun to watch.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: MHouston on November 03, 2009, 08:39:44 AM
A friend of mine runs grappling tournaments all of the time and used to run Pankration until the commission stepped in. He told me about CAMO and said what he has seen it looks good. You will have to register as an amateur with full physical and blood test. It will be all of the rules in MMA minus the knees and elbows to the head. I have no clue who the lawfrim is and what they have to do with it.
Title: Lesnar ill
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 16, 2009, 03:24:19 PM
UFC Heavyweight Champ Brock Lesnar Facing Serious Health Crisis

Posted Nov 14, 2009 8:35PM By Michael David Smith (RSS feed)





Shortly after Saturday's UFC 105 card in Manchester, England, concluded, UFC
President Dana White revealed that his promotion's heavyweight champion, Brock
Lesnar, is suffering from serious health problems and will not be able to
fight any time soon.



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"He's in rough shape, he's in really bad shape," White said, according to the
Canadian Press. "He is not well and he is not getting any better. ... He's
very, very sick and he's going to be out for a while. He's got a lot of
problems. ... He's got mono and he's got something else wrong with him.
I know what's wrong with him, he just doesn't want me talking about it."

White didn't say exactly what is wrong with Lesnar, although he did specify
that it is not cancer or AIDS. The UFC had previously said Lesnar was
suffering from mononucleosis, but his illness is apparently more serious than
that.

Lesnar had been scheduled to defend his title against Shane Carwin on Nov. 21.
When he first started to feel sick, the UFC tentatively re-scheduled the
Carwin bout for Jan. 2. But it will likely be long after Jan. 2 before Lesnar,
who won the undisputed heavyweight title by defeating Frank Mir at UFC 100, is
ready to fight again.

White made room for the possibility of putting together a fight for an interim
heavyweight title while Lesnar is sidelined, although it's not clear who would
participate in that fight. Carwin is reportedly sidelined with a knee injury,
while another top UFC heavyweight, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, is reportedly
battling a staph infection.

The Lesnar illness is the worst piece of news yet in an autumn that has been
full of bad news for the UFC. Champions Lyoto Machida, Anderson Silva and
Georges St. Pierre have all battled injuries, and one of the promotion's most
marketable stars, Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, says he is quitting the UFC to
pursue an acting career. Even on a day when it had a successful show in
England, the UFC is going through a rough patch.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 16, 2009, 03:26:14 PM
second post:

Am I the only one repulsed by the "you pussy" pressures being brought to bear on the fighter concerned about having taken some brain damage?

Also, pretty excremental level of conditioning-- particularly this far into the seaon.

Go Big Baby!

Go Kimbo!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Rarick on November 16, 2009, 07:02:49 PM
his same fighter has been doing drama and stuff about "injuries" in earlier episodes.  I don't know, they should just be leaving him space tho' until the doctors decision is given.  I do not think the guy is going to make it tho' he seems fragile  the shoulder, a knee and now the probably real head.........

I am kind of rooting for baby darkness.  Although he has NFL time his is also showing that he has skills aside from just being Big.  Makes the mats all slippery tho' :-D

As for Brock He has a real nasty intestinal infection, unknown if he will even be back to fight.  Las Vegas Review Journal this morning.

Edit: to update from newspaper article.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 18, 2009, 07:24:18 PM
The mystery surrounding Brock Lesnar's illness has been cleared up a bit. The UFC heavyweight champion is suffering from a bacterial infection in his intestinal tract, though it looks like he may be released from the hospital soon.

"He's in stable condition and should be released soon," UFC president Dana White said.

White said he spoke with Lesnar on Monday, but he wouldn't reveal which hospital Lesnar was currently being treated at because he wanted to protect his privacy.

White also said he is encouraging Lesnar to check into the renowned Mayo Clinic in Minnesota for further treatment, but still doesn't know if Lesnar will fight again.

"It depends on how serious this is," White said.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Maxx on November 18, 2009, 10:32:01 PM
I think he is just waiting for that "Test Supp" To leave his system and he timed it wrong
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Maxx on November 18, 2009, 10:33:29 PM
I was looking at that big polish guy and on one of those pics he has pimples on his arm. Thats a big sign for Test as well. When I was on Test Supp I would get those pimples as well.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 19, 2009, 01:27:23 AM
Interesting theory Maxx.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Maxx on November 19, 2009, 08:32:37 AM
Most of these guys have either tried or on something. You can tell with a few of them. Some body builders go though this process called Bleeding. They do gear all the way up into a point and have dialysis and have something else done. This cleans out the blood and they test neg for Test.

UFC as of late has been hurting with fighters, The new season of UF and then their number 1 drops out for 105,106?

I am not saying this is the case with Brock using test but the timing is right. You need about that long of time for it to clear your system.

I would like to just clear one thing up about Test Supps. There are all types of gear out there not just ones that boost your  Strength  and power. There are some that boost your Speed, Agility, Resistance to pain, Cut your body fat out, make certain muscle in your body explode with power and the list goes on.

anyways. I can say I am almost certain that most fighters still use Pro Hormones. Pro Hormones are still very much legal. I remember a add that Rob Mccullen did for a Prohornone supp and pro hormones are just legal designer steroids with a cute name
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Rarick on November 21, 2009, 08:10:25 AM
It is Simple Dana would not tolerate that.  Josh barnett got caught for a second time, I doubt he will ever fight in the UFC again.   Brock Lesnar probably has done some steroids, he is clean now.  The way the WWE is he may have done them just to get the healing factor for the show schedule.  UFC has to comply with atletic commission rules, and that means that cuts result in suspensions from fighting for fighters.  That is part of the reason the UFC has so many fighters on contract.
Title: Re: MMA Thread surf dogs UFC judging
Post by: taoist-engineer on November 23, 2009, 02:46:58 PM
Big heated discusion on the underground about Lester Griffin's judging of the  Tito Forest fight
He scored it 30-27 for Forest which the way I saw it but the discussion brought up qualifications

Anyone care to share Lesters qualifications as a judge
Just Curious as I recall he puts the old in "Old School" MMA fighting

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 23, 2009, 03:18:25 PM
URL?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sisco T. on November 23, 2009, 08:16:25 PM
 i saw the thread guro C. wish i could find it to post the URL(even if i could i'm not sure how to post the link). the heading was something like "judge who scored fight 30-27 was a dog brother''. didn't really say anything negative about surf, or dog bros. i think the guy who made the thread was saying if this guy, this dog brother, doesn't have a good hold on criteria for judging combat sports how are they(the athletic commission) gonna be able to outline good standardized judging criteria.

 i haven't watched the griffin/ortiz fight(i was in disneyland) but it seems almost a unanimous opinion that tito won the 2nd round. for surf to have the fight 30-27 says he saw something different in the 2nd.

Francisco
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 23, 2009, 10:35:29 PM
Thank you Francisco.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: MHouston on November 24, 2009, 12:26:49 PM
I found a similar blog that Talked about Surf dog and they even mention the Dogbrothers.
http://www.cagepotato.com/better-know-judge-lester-griffin-guy-who-scored-it-30-27-forrest
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 24, 2009, 01:08:02 PM
Thank you Dog Mark.  I notice they do not credit the clip they take without permission from our Staff DVD.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Rarick on November 25, 2009, 07:41:17 AM
They pulled it off of youtube.  Make a phone call, youtube is pretty respectful of copyright.

Incidentally I hope Griffin lets the fans talk, a judge getting into the mix is nothing but bad.
Title: Re: MMA Thread surf dogs UFC judging
Post by: taoist-engineer on November 26, 2009, 06:13:22 AM
Big heated discusion on the underground about Lester Griffin's judging of the  Tito Forest fight
He scored it 30-27 for Forest which the way I saw it but the discussion brought up qualifications

Anyone care to share Lesters qualifications as a judge
Just Curious as I recall he puts the old in "Old School" MMA fighting



Anyone have a comment on his qualifications a a fight judge

I found Lesters qualifications on his school web page and they are an impressive number and range of certificates in different martial arts
So he certainly has the mixed part of the Mixed Martial Arts he has certificates in  JKD, Savate, Muay Thai, japanese jiu jitsu
did'nt see any BJJ but as a Dog brother he would have had some Machado/DB training  in the stick grappling.
He is a black belt in JKD, JJJ and American Jiu Jitsu and has a 1974 Chuck Norris membership card Tang Soo Do 8th Blue (very cool)
Lots of stick certificates and he has trained a number of MMA fighters
.
Lesters credentials appear to be impeccable and the breadth of his training makes him uniquely qualified to be a MMA judge
He does not suffer from the common problem of Boxing judges being assigned to MMA who have no clue about grappling.
Lester called the fight as he saw it and his credentials support his ability to make an informed decision.
The UFC and MMA in general could use more judges with Lesters diverse background





 
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 26, 2009, 08:06:39 AM
Anyone have the URL of that?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Rarick on November 26, 2009, 08:40:50 AM
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/ (http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/)  I think this might be it.

Couldn't find the threads on the forums.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sisco T. on November 26, 2009, 01:45:01 PM
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum_framed.frame&page=1

 hope that work, but thats the link guro c.


  Francisco
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sisco T. on November 26, 2009, 01:49:27 PM
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/?go=forum.versionCheck&thread=1556810&forum=1

  i think this one should work. sorry.

      Francisco

  



Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Rarick on November 27, 2009, 03:32:19 AM
I fired up the TIVO recording when I got home, turned off the sound and just concentrated on the fight.  Joe Rogan is an awesome announcer, but he tends to miss things or decide the fight his way.  Since we all pay attention to his comments, we can get misled.

I do not know their scoring system, but I just worked thru the fight giving a point for successful strike, take down, advance in guard, submission attempt, damage (mouse, bruise, limp, cut, stagger), aggressive action (punch combo, shoot, cut off), control of fight, reversal(sweep), picking "mode" (ground, stand, fence).

When I was done the 1st round was the only close one, going to Tito.   After that round Forest was doing most of the contact initiating, and was landing way more hits than Tito (3:1!), Forest was able to stand up when he wanted too, so the takedowns could not count as controlling the fight, and while Forest was down he did a real good job of eliminating the GnP game. Last, forest was not looking at all like he was tired or wore down.

Tito got credit for making forest bleed (not hard), the takedowns, some punches, but he was not initiating contact very often, throwing many punches, or controling any of the fight.  Tito was starting to look slow during the final round.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 27, 2009, 08:30:43 PM
Frankfurter:

None of those URLs are working for me.

Anyway, at this point, nevermind. :-)
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 04, 2009, 04:34:01 PM
Any comments on this season's TUF?

And here's this:


Message: 3
From: Eskrima-FMA <eskrima.fma.digest@gmail.com>


Former NFL great Herschel Walker training in San Jose for mixed martial arts
By Mark Emmons
San Jose Mercury News

Former Heisman Trophy winner Herschel Walker last played football in 1997.
He's now 47, an age when many ex-NFL players already are hobbled by arthritis
and other degenerative ailments.

But not Walker. Despite what he cheerfully describes as "my advanced years,"
he has come to San Jose to train for a new career in the burgeoning brutal
sport of mixed martial arts. He's scheduled to climb inside a steel cage for
his debut Jan. 30 in Miami.

And, yes, he knows everyone has a simple question: What the heck are you
thinking?

"I wouldn't have gotten into this if I didn't know I could do it," said
Walker, a fifth-degree black belt in tae kwon do. "I can fight."

Walker added that he doesn't need more money or publicity. But he does need
competition.

That's why he now is spending his days sweating with other MMA fighters at San
Jose's American Kickboxing Academy, which has become a hub for the emerging
sport. One grueling session this week saw him repeatedly punching and kicking
a heavy bag, then grappling with rising heavyweight star Cain Velasquez, who
is 20 years his junior.

Although there are hints of his age in his facial features, Walker looks just
as athletic as when he was a workhorse running back who retired as the NFL's
No. 2 combined-yardage leader - right down to a sculpted physique featuring
washboard abs.

"I understand why people would hear that he wants to fight and say, 'Yeah,
right,' " said American

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Kickboxing Academy head trainer Javier Mendez. "But he's not a 47-year-old
man. He's got the body of a 20-year-old. He's absolutely ripped. He's not
normal. He's one of a kind."

Football legend, Olympian, danseur

Walker was one of the most heralded running backs in football history. He won
the 1982 Heisman at Georgia before playing 15 pro seasons. Despite
eye-catching statistics like once rushing for 1,514 yards with Dallas, Walker
is most remembered for the blockbuster 1989 trade where the Cowboys sent him
to Minnesota for five players and six draft picks.

He also could evade conventional thinking as deftly as would-be tacklers,
always marching to the beat of his own drummer.

A world-class sprinter, he competed in the two-man bobsled at the 1992 Winter
Olympics. He danced ballet. He now owns a food company and earlier this year
appeared on "The Celebrity Apprentice" reality TV show.

In 2008, Walker also created a stir with the memoir "Breaking Free," which
asserted he had suffered for years with dissociative identity disorder, a
controversial mental illness also known as multiple personality disorder. He
described how the condition nearly drove him to suicide, destroyed his
marriage and is the reason he doesn't remember winning the Heisman. But
treatment brought the disorder under control, he said.

"When the book first came out, everybody would look at me and make a cross
with their fingers like I was a vampire because of the stigma," said Walker, a
Dallas resident. "Now when I walk in an airport, I have five people come up to
me and start telling their story like I'm Dr. Walker."

He even uses the condition to poke fun at himself as he talks about his MMA
goal.

"This will be my 20-year-old personality fighting in the cage," Walker joked.
"The 40-year-old one won't come back out until afterward."

One reason Walker wants to fight is simply because he can.

Always a fitness fanatic, he has stayed in supreme condition with a daily
workout regimen highlighted by 3,500 sit-ups and from 750 to 1,500 push-ups.
He eats one meal a day - mostly salads and soups, and never red meat - and
sleeps only three to four hours a night.

"I could still play football today," said Walker, who is 6-foot-1 and 217
pounds. "Now I couldn't take every snap. I've slowed down a little bit, but
I'm still faster than 80 percent of the guys in the league. That's why I know
I can step into the cage."

'Green' but driven, Walker 'no joke'

MMA combines elements of martial arts, boxing and wrestling. And San Jose has
become something of a mecca for the sport as it gains mainstream acceptance.
The promotion company Strikeforce, which is putting on Walker's fight, is
based here. He decided to temporarily move to San Jose because the American
Kickboxing Academy gym is one of the country's top fight camps.

"He's no joke," Mendez said of Walker. "He's green. But he's got unbelievable
ability and is really, really strong. He also has a willingness to learn. You
can see why he was such a great football player. He won't shy away from
anything."

The September announcement that Walker had signed with Strikeforce raised
eyebrows. But one person all but chortled with laughter - Dana White, the
outspoken leader of Ultimate Fighting Championship, the sport's top promotion
company and a Strikeforce competitor. "Freak show" also is how he dismissively
refers to a Walker bout.

"He's too old for football, but he thinks he's young enough to fight?" White
added. "Fighting is a young man's sport. You need speed, agility,
explosiveness. All that stuff goes away with age."

Walker is aware of the taunting.

"Dana is just mad because he's not the only show in town, and that's fine,"
said Walker, who plans to donate his MMA earnings to charity. "But he really
doesn't know what kind of athlete I am."

The plan is for him to spend the next two months at the American Kickboxing
Academy, proving to trainers Mendez and Bob Cook that he's ready. For now,
Walker is a rookie again. New fighters at the gym have to do chores, which is
why Walker will be cleaning equipment Sunday morning.

"He doesn't complain and hasn't expected any special privileges, which is good
because he's gotten none," Mendez said.

After a workout, Walker was thanking Velasquez and other fighters for their
help.

"I might not be up to the best fighters yet," Walker said. "But I'll tell you
what: I'm working at it."


Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sisco T. on December 05, 2009, 04:46:44 PM
 although i haven't really been following TUF this season(or the past few seaons) i find it sad that the finale is hyping the kimbo vs houston fight more than the final of nelson vs shaub. i understand it, but still think it minimizes that these two guys actually won three fights each to make it to the finals.


 Francisco
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 05, 2009, 05:42:11 PM
I admit to having been sucked into the soap opera--  from the coaches on down (contender status for all time worst TUF coach to Rampage;  worst ever levels of conditioning; possible worst fighter ever in the finals (Nelson) strange denouements (both Kimbo and Big Baby) and more-- what a fascinating study in human behavior.

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sisco T. on December 05, 2009, 07:36:38 PM
i'd pick roy nelson to win the whole thing from the beginning. besides nelson i'm only familiar with scott junk, kimbo, and wes sims(besides readiing about a few of the others in various MA mags), but to me roy had the best technical skills and fighting ability compared to all the rest, especially with the fights i've seen him in compared to the rest. when i did see the show that shaub guy seemed impressive, but i figured nelson would at least make it to the finals. i still think nelson wins it all. we'll see what happens tonite.

 Francisco
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sisco T. on December 05, 2009, 07:42:28 PM
''what a fascinating study in human behavior''

 i am quite intrigued by big baby myself. scared of a bug one second then wanting to kill mitrione the next. A W E S O ME.


 Francisco
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: CrazyCossack on December 05, 2009, 09:24:45 PM
I admit to having been sucked into the soap opera--  from the coaches on down (contender status for all time worst TUF coach to Rampage;  worst ever levels of conditioning; possible worst fighter ever in the finals (Nelson) strange denouements (both Kimbo and Big Baby) and more-- what a fascinating study in human behavior.



You really think Nelson was the worst fighter ever in the finals? I think thats a little harsh, even without the hindsight that he won the finale tonight.

Josh Haynes lost to Bisping in the finals of season 3, I'd argue Roy is better than him.

Manny Gamburyan also fought in the finals, and I'd argue that Roy is a better fighter than Stephan Bonnar too.

He might look like the worst fighter (although Josh Haynes might have him beat there too) but I think there have been alot worse guys in there. Plus he was introduced as a kung fu fighter, and that comedy has gotta be worth at least something.

This whole season was garbage though, especially rampage and Rashad, why trash talk each other face to face if your not going to actually fight, I guess the idea is it boosts ratings but after the 9th time I'd rather be watching commercials than that.

Also on the subject of the finale, I'm glad that Jon Jones lost by disqualification he was clearly the superior fighter, but he committed an obvious foul and I'm glad they followed the rules and DQ'd him.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 05, 2009, 09:36:43 PM
Well, I'm not as serious a student of the show as you, perhaps I was being a bit glib, , , and certainly I have to back up now , , ,

Hat tip to Frankfurter for spotting Nelson from the beginning.  I did not.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: CrazyCossack on December 05, 2009, 09:53:46 PM
Well, I'm not as serious a student of the show as you, perhaps I was being a bit glib, , , and certainly I have to back up now , , ,

Hat tip to Frankfurter for spotting Nelson from the beginning.  I did not.



lol I had to look up all the past finalists on wikipedia but I knew there were some much poorer ones than Roy, just thought I'd give the evidence to back up my post right away.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Jonobos on December 05, 2009, 10:18:12 PM
Quote

Also on the subject of the finale, I'm glad that Jon Jones lost by disqualification he was clearly the superior fighter, but he committed an obvious foul and I'm glad they followed the rules and DQ'd him.

I sort of think it is a stupid rule. Why are those more dangerous than any other elbow?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on December 05, 2009, 10:31:00 PM
I've found a few answers to the "why" of the "spike elbow" being a foul:

1.  Originally it was because of how easy it was to cut the opponent.

2.  More recently they're saying because of the potential foul to the back of the head.

Personally neither hold up in my book.  Many other types of elbows are easier to cut with and if the back of the head is a foul anyway, DON'T HIT IT!

3.  Is because of the ability to have gravity on your side for the elbow (12 to 6 on a clock).  This is why spike elbows from the guard are not a foul which again doesn't make sense to me.

Stupid rule.  MH wasn't put out by the last two grazing spike elbows, it was from the barrage of elbows thrown before hand which Jones was begging the ref to stop from.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 06, 2009, 06:48:22 AM
I think I heard Joe Rogan say something about how some commisioner saw an ice break with that elbow strike and decided that if it could shatter a big block of ice like that then it was too much for MMA.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: CrazyCossack on December 06, 2009, 12:48:47 PM
While I think that they should be allowed, and I do think Hamill was clearly going to lose whether or not Jones landed those elbows, I'm glad that Jones was disqualified because he did end the fight with a foul, the rules are there for a reason and I'm glad there followed.

and I think there is another reason they dont want downward elbows, I'm not sure if its illegal to attack the spine (i've seen people attempt twisters) but if you end up sprawling on a guy I think they don't want people throwing downward elbows to the spine as those have potential for serious injury.  Whether or not they should allow them to the spine is up for debate but that may have been an influence on the rule as well.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sisco T. on December 06, 2009, 02:30:23 PM
I think I heard Joe Rogan say something about how some commisioner saw an ice break with that elbow strike and decided that if it could shatter a big block of ice like that then it was too much for MMA.

 i've seen poi destroy a coconut on t.v., so i deem it illegal for poi to hit ANYTHING/ONE with his stick(s)!

 Francisco
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 06, 2009, 07:02:08 PM
FF et al:

Big Baby was a fascinating human study, both in the house and in the cage , , , and in the aftermath of fights. 
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: selfcritical on December 08, 2009, 06:19:47 PM
New idea- Conspire to put copies of the KT material in Jon Jones' christmas stocking. I'm highly amused by anyone who manages to pull off moves on pro fighters because they saw tony jaa do them in a movie.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 08, 2009, 08:55:09 PM
Expound on that please-- what's the story?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: selfcritical on December 08, 2009, 10:26:39 PM
Before he got his MT coach, he was literally watching clips off of youtube and trying to pull them off(and succeeding) apparently one of those slips was from Ong Bak.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 09, 2009, 02:38:27 AM
Was that the punch to the thigh with a spinning backfist/elbow?  I saw that in his DQ loss on Saturday , , ,

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: selfcritical on December 09, 2009, 05:14:14 AM
Yes, although I was more impressed with his "Single leg to spinning elbow" in the Bonnar fight.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Rarick on December 10, 2009, 02:52:02 AM
It is the self taught guys that can be the most interesting,  I am waiting to see if some one can make TMNT jitsu work.

Jon Jones has awesome potential, he just needs to learn control.  The judges sent a loud and clear message too. If you use an illegal technique, sensibly banned or not, it will cost you the fight.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 10, 2009, 08:22:37 AM
Any comments on Kimbo in TUF this past season?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Rarick on December 11, 2009, 02:48:34 AM
Any comments on Kimbo in TUF this past season?

I am going to have to learn a new dialect of english, other than that he is willing, and he has obviously used the time on the show to get his ground game up to snuff.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 11, 2009, 08:14:21 AM
I was surprised at how little answer he had to kicks on his front leg.   

Also, my eyesight is not what it used to be, but does the man have completely fallen arches?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guard Dog on December 11, 2009, 08:46:18 AM
New idea- Conspire to put copies of the KT material in Jon Jones' christmas stocking. I'm highly amused by anyone who manages to pull off moves on pro fighters because they saw tony jaa do them in a movie.

When he came down last year we touched base briefly on some KT type techniques, nothing specific.  He is very aware of the outside footwork (Trigg 101).  From my experience, he's also very open and has been exposed to Kali footwork via one of my other instructors.  We could arrange this if you wanted Guro!  :evil:
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 11, 2009, 08:49:53 AM
 8-) 8-) 8-)
Title: Is the Guard dead
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 10, 2010, 10:10:12 AM
From MMATorch.com

Staff Columnists
COLUMN: Death of the Guard - Changes to the MMA game evident at UFC 109, especially in Sonnen vs. Marquardt
By
Feb 8, 2010 - 3:32:20 PM




By Jason Amadi, MMATorch Columnist

In a post-UFC 109 interview done by Mike Straka, Jon Fitch made quite a bold statement. Fitch stated that the closed guard in MMA was "dead." He said that unless you're Shinya Aoki or Demian Maia, if you get taken down by a strong wrestler, you need to get back to feet or suffer a beating.

While that may rattle a few within the jiu jitsu community, he's completely correct. Over the years we've seen MMA evolve many times. While some feel that the sport is largely the same and has been since the institution of the Unified Rules, fans who really look at fights from just a few short years ago, and compare to fights now, will notice quite a few changes.

For one, the mount is no longer the most dominant position to finish a fight. I can't remember the last time a fight was finished with strikes from the mount position. Side control seems to be the preferred position to finish off opponents.

Made famous by Ivan Salavary (as Joe Rogan loves to remind us of this, but I feel Matt Hughes popularized it further), trapping the arms of your opponent in side control, and then raining down blows to the face gives much less space for escape. Even if you don't land significant blows, the referee is forced to stop the fight because you can't escape.

At this point, the mount is fairly low percentage. As we saw with Phil Davis and Brian Stann, the trend these days when mounted is to simply give up your back and hang on to the gloves of your opponent, then hope you can explode over into their guard and reverse momentum that way. Sure, Davis didn't have the best mount, but the survival techniques showed by Stann (guy really needs to practice the hip escape, though) are now likely common practice at all the top teams in MMA.

The guard is in trouble for sure. I agree completely with Fitch, and feel that unless you are a top submission artist, the caliber of Demian Maia, Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza, Shinya Aoki, Dustin Hazelett, or Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, having a top wrestler in your guard is death.

At the top level, wrestlers are so good at submission defense, as we saw with Chael Sonnen, they no longer have any fear of the guard. Nate Marquardt is a black belt in jiu jitsu, but could get nothing done against Sonnen from inside his guard and paid the price for it.

Jon Fitch has made a career of being inside a tough BJJ black belt's guard and surviving. Tito Ortiz made a name for himself for punishing guys inside the guard as well, and the list of wrestlers who do so just grows more and more by the day. I don't think I even need to discuss the problems that could arise should you find a monster wrestler like Shane Carwin or Brock Lesnar in your guard (Minotauro Nogueira is a brave, brave man).

But the big story of UFC 109 was Nate Marquardt being battered from inside his guard by Chael Sonnen. I think the next evolution in MMA is the rubber guard becoming common practice for everyone involved. We're still seeing 1997 style guards in 2010. It just doesn't work in MMA anymore.

The rubber guard was designed to control fighters from within your guard, break down their posture, and look for submissions from unusual places using flexibility. Anyone familiar with Shinya Aoki's handiwork has seen him perform breathtaking submissions (literally) from the rubber guard.

The problem is that a lot of fighters, who aren't necessarily raised in the discipline of BJJ from the start, don't necessarily have the flexibility. Dustin Hazelett's submission of Tamdon McCrory at UFC 91 was the last time I saw the rubber guard used effectively in the UFC. Generally, we see fighters feebly attempt to grab their ankles, only after having sustained a beating, and then they realize after a few tries that they haven't practiced this technique nearly enough, so they wind up giving up.

Unless a meteor hits the UFC, and wipes out all its elite wrestlers, we're going to be in for a long reign of terror by wrestlers. Couture vs. Coleman wasn't the only indication that we're back in 1997, folks, because the guard in MMA has been rendered almost completely ineffective at the top level.

[Jon Fitch photo credit Wade Keller (c) MMATorch]

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Title: Re: Closed Guard
Post by: CrazyCossack on February 10, 2010, 12:34:59 PM
I don't agree with the closed guard is dead assessment at all. I think the problem is that too many people are being considered good at jiu jitsu when they really aren't.  It seems that every single fighter that enters the octagon nowadays is a BJJ blackbelt.  While they might have been given these blackbelts there is in my opinion a major difference and major discrepancy in the skills of a fighter (or even wrestler) who becomes a bjj blackbelt, rather than a bjj blackbelt who becomes a fighter.

Think about all the controversy that Rashad Evan's newly awarded black belt caused, the biggest justification for it was that he wasn't submitted by Thiago Silva, another blackbelt, so he must deserve it. While it's true he won the grappling portion of it, how well do you think Rashad would have done if for whatever reason he was playing guard against thiago silva, he would have likely got smashed, then people would say: "Closed Guard is dead, Rashad is a black belt and got killed".

But does Rashad have BJJ blackbelt skills from his guard? Does he even have them from the top?  I'd say no to both points, do I think he could out grapple people who are bjj blackbelts, yes, I think he could, but thats not his jiu jitsu.

The same goes for Nate Marquardt, yes he was awarded a blackbelt in bjj, but do we really know how good his jiu jitsu is?  I know BJJ blackbelts that would be blue belts at clubs only hours away from me, when their guards aren't effective against elite wrestlers, will we question the guard? I dont think so.

I'm kind of rambling here but.... the idea is that theres nothing wrong with the position its that people are being given too much credit for their skills, and therefore their expectations are too high.

In my opinion its akin to saying that fighting with sticks in the largo or medio ranges is dead in stickfighting because so many people can crash through that bubble with a roof block and start their clinch/grappling games. Are those ranges dead? of course not, but you might think so if you saw someone with excellent closing fighting someone with average skills in the longer ranges.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 10, 2010, 01:47:30 PM
Very good points.

I posted this article not because I agree with all of it, but to start a conversation. 

For example, how does the (closed) guard game differ when the heel kicks to the kidneys, spine, back of neck, back of head are allowed?  Ask Renzo Gracie how he felt after Frank Shamrock's knee from bottom to the back of his head.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: CrazyCossack on February 10, 2010, 05:36:15 PM
I'm not sure how much the kicks to the kidneys would affect closed guard in modern mma, with the fights being 15 minutes, I think they were much more applicable when the fights went until someone got finished, I think they are more effective in a war of attrition strategy, ala the gracies. Recently one of Rorion's sons (Rener I believe) talked about this in an interview, and was saying that closed guard, the war of attrition and defensive mindset is what seperates Gracie Jiu-Jitsu from BJJ, which they say is too focused on the sportive aspect of jiu jitsu.  The idea that as the weaker person, closed guard is one of the few ways you can defeat your larger more physically gifted opponents. His example was Brock Lesnar, and that if anyone went into a fight and tried to match him physically and battle him back and forth they would lose, their only chance would be to play closed guard for a long time, defend, defend, defend, and when their opponent (Brock) was worn out, then press their advantage. I think Heel kicks are a big part of this strategy.

As for the slaps, smacks, to the back of the head and spine, (cervical shots), I think they would make a major difference in the fights, maybe even knockouts from the bottom? Sweeping someone who has had their brain rattled would likely be alot easier than sweeping a fresh guy.

On another note, I think knee's should be allowed on the ground whether from the bottom or top, however I do think that if they were allowed Renzo may have been watching for them and might not have got caught, although admittedly I like Renzo alot more than Shamrock lol. Heck, we would probably have a different winner of the Marquardt/Sonnen fight if they were allowed.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Jonobos on February 10, 2010, 08:37:41 PM
Wrestling isn't really new to mma. It has been there from pretty early on. Everyone is learning jiujitsu including the wrestlers. The subs are not a secret anymore. What most bjj guys fail to do is dive deeply into wrestling and that is why we see the imbalance. The difference with guys like BJ Penn and Jacare is that they have an amazing standing clinch either in the form of takedowns, or takedown defense. Only the cream of the crop top level wrestlers have the advantage. Hell, Hendo could not even capitalize on Anderson Silva being on his back and that was in half guard... a position that wrestlers are known for laying down some serious damage. My thoughts.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: CrazyCossack on February 11, 2010, 01:28:20 PM
What would someone's wrestling ability have to do with their closed guard subs and sweeps?

And the subs haven't been a secret for a long time, and theres no secret in jiu jitsu academies either, the blue belts to black belts are all doing the same moves, its how well they are done that counts. For me it goes back to whether or not people are actually good at jiu jitsu rather than just being given credit for it if they can avoid armbars.  The other thing, in regards to jiu jitsu guys not taking wrestling seriously enough, it's almost impossible for them to reach a level at wrestling where it would compare to the wrestlers already in the UFC, unless your GSP your not going to suddenly outwrestle the wrestlers. 

I think Rickson Gracie explains this point pretty well with this quote from an interview.

Rickson "I don't look for to knockout someone standing up, I look for to not be in a position to be knocked out myself. I look for the position to take my opponent where I want to be. That is my concept. The day that I think that I have to train kickboxing to beat a kickboxing champion, that will be the day I lose.

13. So you don't think that by training in kickboxing, that it can in some way help you to neutralize the kickboxer's game?

Rickson: Much to the contrary. Show me a jiu-jitsu fighter who trains kickboxing who has an advantage over a kickboxer standing up.....and then maybe I'll change my opinion. But this never happens. They always end up trying to do the technique wrong., end up clinch anyway) and lose big opportunities."

(I got that from the thread "rickson predicts the stand and wang phenomenon" from the mma.tv underground forums)

While I realize the importance of cross training, its often the guys who are masters of one thing that are champions over a bunch of jack of all trades type guys. One of my jiu jitsu instructors explained Demian Maia's strategy (for the nate quarry fight) to me like :

Demian Maia sweeps world class blackbelts in ADCC and Mundials regularly.

No one else in the middle weight division is even close to these world class blackbelts in their half guard top game.

Demian pulls half guard, gets the sweep easily and is on top, then he will destroy them with his far superior Jiu Jitsu from the top.

This is exactly what he did to Nate Quarry, do any of us think Demian Maia would have won if he tried to outwrestle quarry to get on top, or rock him on the feet then take him down?  Maia is one of my favourite fighters and if he tried to strike or wrestle with Quarry he would have got killed.

If you want your closed guard (or any guard) to be effective in mma, dont train your wrestling (which doesnt have a closed guard) or your kickboxing, train your closed guard.

Just like I wouldn't expect a wrestler or kickboxer to pull guard.

My 2 cents (or maybe thats like 4 cents cause its so long)
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Jonobos on February 11, 2010, 07:26:39 PM
You bring up some good points, but Chuck survived a loooooooong time with a deep understanding of takedown defense. I didn't say you need to wrestle guys to the ground, or learn the wrestling top game. But learning how to stuff a shot and make them pay for it is something that many fighters have successfully developed.

I definitely agree that most of these mma black belts are simply not that good. But at the same time the days of Rickson and the one trick pony fighters are gone.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Howling Dog on February 12, 2010, 04:08:57 AM
Woof,
Quote
You bring up some good points, but Chuck survived a loooooooong time with a deep understanding of takedown defense.

Chuck's wrestling is highly under rated. He was a good  college wrestler. Cal. poly sci. I beleive.
He just likeS to stand and bang.  :wink:
My opinion, Crazy Cossack made many real good points.
                     C-HD
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Rarick on February 12, 2010, 04:51:14 AM
The point of MMA is TOOLBOX.  What do you have in yours?  That will determine how the fighting style you choose works.  Champions have fighting styles that WORK, and they have the tools to at least defend from styles they do not know.  I see Crafty and the other Guros constantly checking Checking their Tools.  That is a credit to what is being built.

I see all the UFC fights, and some of the fighters with a "good" ground game, really are "defense Blackbelts".   They can pull guard and not be submitted, but they cannot do anything from the guard.   They can stand and strike without being easy to knock out, but have no knockout ability themselves.  Each Fighter has talents either trained or natural and MMA is as much about how those are used as about the base styles.

The DBMA stuff I see (am am working on) seems to be pretty eclectic and has moves that I have never seen used in the octogon, I would love to see it work.   The same applies to Aikido (which I tried for a while, but their tribal heirarchy demands to the point of oppresion from my point of view,) which lacked "safe live sparring" which is why I left.

One of the things that is leaving UFC, and other MMA is the "Testing Spirit" that was in the original format.  Anderson Silva had that belt defense where the other fighter was expecting him to just fall into guard.  Anderson failed to keep faith with the "Real as it Gets" aspect by not showing the fighter the error of his unrealistic expectations, by not putting on a punishment show.

There was another fight beteen a "defense black belt"/ wrestler and "the Dentist" Neer.  The werestler was able to take Neer down at will, and was able to control the top.  Neer was unable to pull the hip escape/sweep.  Neer was expecting the referee to stand the fight up, but the Ref (maybe?) recognized that "rules exploiting" was going on, and wanting to be true to "real" was not allowing that kind of manipulation.  Neer lost a very frustrating fight because he failed to control the octogon, and therefore dominate the other fighter...........

That is why I do not necessarily like "Big Country", he has the fitness, but he is rules lawyering to win.  I hope one of the other heavyweights can fix that.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: CrazyCossack on February 12, 2010, 11:51:21 AM
I always thought chuck was a much better wrestler than a kickboxer, look at his record, all the guys he has lost too with the exception of jeremy horn were better strikers, Overeem, Rampage twice, Shogun, maybe even Rashad?  Although admittedly I should be the last one knocking anyone's kickboxing ability.

As far as Josh Neer, and I think the fight you were talking about was against Kurt Pellegrino, IMO he was doing everything to try to get action started in that fight, including punching himself in the face..... (couldnt figure out how to post the gif, so go to this link, its worth it)

http://blogs.chron.com/fighting/neerdumbasssb65374666bv8.gif
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Jonobos on February 12, 2010, 12:29:01 PM
These are all probably fair assessments. But the question remains whether or not someone can reverse engineer some of the skillsets that make the wrestlers successful? BJJ will certainly help me get up from the ground by understanding the body mechanics of how to move on the bottom. But what happens when I want a little something extra to keep me up off the ground long enough to deal a little punishment of my own, maybe create the necessary opportunity to access an equalizer? I think Rarick has a good point that it is all about a toolbox. I may never be able to achieve the level of collegate wrestlers, but can I get enough experience to make a difference when it really matters?

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 12, 2010, 12:49:23 PM
In a related vein, in DBMA "Kali Tudo" (tm) we integrate certainly wrestling techniques (e.g. the one we call "The Rico" because I learned it from Rico Chiaparelli).   What my interaction with Kenny Johnson has brought to KT is, inter alia, a good efficient MMA based version of a wrestling double leg and single leg, who uses his head in a different way than pure sport wrestling.  We want to have this not only in its own right (for fights wherein we are sure that no weapons are involved) but also to make sure that we are good training partners for our training partners as we work our standing KT striking game.

One of the great temptations for a KT player is to tunnel vision a bit on the structural advantages I believe our there in upper body striking (i.e. kicks present a separate question) and get hit by a good wrestling level change and shoot.  Indeed it was my experience with some of my structures getting hit in this fashion by Kenny that led me to focus on bringing the stake (which really is a version of a bolo bunch done to kali footwork), with the idea that as the third beat of a triplet it would be either hitting (uppercut to chin or shovel hook to body) or nailing the incoming face (think Arlovski flying chin first into Fedor's overhand right) of the shooter.

I would have not known this had I not tested myself against good MMA wrestling skills.

Also from Kenny is a good MMA based sprawl.

The Adventure continues!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 17, 2010, 05:09:57 AM
Don't know anything about Hardy , , ,
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: drammel on March 17, 2010, 09:42:21 AM
Hey who is gonna win?   GSP or Hardy?

GSP by anyhting he wants. If Hardy wins it will be ala Serra, just going for broke and throwing bombs.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 17, 2010, 10:04:38 AM
GSP is quite impressive, so that sounds about right-- but who is Hardy?  Whom has he beat?  What are his strengths and weaknesses?

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: CrazyCossack on March 18, 2010, 01:39:08 PM
Hardy is gonna get mauled, it wont even be close..... Yes I'm aware Serra had his lightning flash KO, but its not gonna happen twice, GSP by domination.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tim nelson on March 18, 2010, 10:31:44 PM
we were out on a wide creek flat with lots of willow shrubs, some up to wrist diameter, and were cutting the stems/trunks before the buds opened so the new growth would be long and flexible without any forks and branching for basketry in the future, producing nice basket material,

well while swinging the machete around i was experimenting with the stick swinging i was used to, to get the machete to cut effectively took something a little different in the arc, more of a cutting arc than i notice with a stick, and a downward swing made the trunk split more often, so i decided to try the bolo swing and it was quite fun practicing the bolo with a machete cutting stuff while getting a task done, i sure wouldn't want to get hit by a bolo swing, the force with the blade was hitting hard through the wood                tim
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 18, 2010, 10:42:09 PM
Woof Tim:

Good to hear from you.  Good conversation--  May I ask you post in in The Bolo Game thread?

Thank you!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: tim nelson on March 19, 2010, 01:07:04 PM
surely, seems to have been a brain fart figuring bolo would be housed in mma thread
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on March 20, 2010, 02:12:56 PM
I always thought chuck was a much better wrestler than a kickboxer, look at his record, all the guys he has lost too with the exception of jeremy horn were better strikers, Overeem, Rampage twice, Shogun, maybe even Rashad?  Although admittedly I should be the last one knocking anyone's kickboxing ability.

As far as Josh Neer, and I think the fight you were talking about was against Kurt Pellegrino, IMO he was doing everything to try to get action started in that fight, including punching himself in the face..... (couldnt figure out how to post the gif, so go to this link, its worth it)

http://blogs.chron.com/fighting/neerdumbasssb65374666bv8.gif
 
Chuck never lost to Overeem, I think Chuck knocked him out!?  Yup back in 03'
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on March 20, 2010, 02:18:05 PM
 If Mir sticks to a game plan he has a good chance against Carwin. Mir likes to stand and bang, it won't take much for Carwin to knock him out. Carvin vs. Gonzaga for example, Carwin just extended his arm and knocked the man out. It looked like a dingy little punch. It won't take much.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on March 20, 2010, 02:21:53 PM
Hardy is gonna get mauled, it wont even be close..... Yes I'm aware Serra had his lightning flash KO, but its not gonna happen twice, GSP by domination.

The brass at the UFC doesn't know who to put in front of this man. GSP has cleaned out his division. I like GSP but this fight barely registers on my radar....yawn!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on March 20, 2010, 02:25:12 PM
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/Pros-Pick-Vera-vs-Jones-23289

Now ths fight makes sense, Vera vs. Jones.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 21, 2010, 09:34:26 PM
I was very intrigued to see this fight.  The fight was shaping up nicely when that nasty elbow to the temple or occular socket brought it to an immediate close.

Also interesting was the response to the punch to the eye in an earlier fight.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on March 22, 2010, 10:22:27 AM
re:  vera x jones - if you are gonna have guard, control that top man's posture... it's raining punches and elbows - one of them is bound to get through.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on March 22, 2010, 11:14:47 PM
Jon "Jones" Bones is good. Machida, Rua or whoever else they put in front of him, will have their hands full.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 23, 2010, 04:15:55 AM
I now realize who Carwin is.  Whoa!  :-o
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: selfcritical on March 23, 2010, 12:44:03 PM
In particular, you'll note that those weren't Greco throws that Jones used to toss the olympic-caliber vera.

And Jones doesn't have a judo coach.

He watched some videos on judo, and went to some public classes at cornell.

And then just did it.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on March 23, 2010, 05:05:10 PM
The guy is good. He was setting up Vera for the left. He reached back acting like he was trying to move Veras right leg, then boom, here comes the left.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on March 24, 2010, 10:04:48 AM
re:  jones' throw -- not my gif, found it elsewhere. don't want to kill the bandwidth of the original owner's so i'm not posting the pic. will post the link for it though.

http://i44.tinypic.com/14ttwdi.gif

props to the gif maker
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on March 27, 2010, 10:27:18 PM
re: mir x carwin - OMG!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 28, 2010, 05:35:58 AM
Wating for the fight I thought Mir too relaxed, and Carsen perhaps too worried :lol:  I thought Carsen showed excellent knees to the thighs up against the fence.

Who was that a-hole who kepty applying the heel hook after his opponent tapped and the ref starting pulling him off!? :x  VERY wrong  :x :x :x  I want to know his name so I can cheer when karma bites him in the ass. :evil:

PS:  Good times watching the crowd at the bar here in Toronto cheer its man on.

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on March 28, 2010, 07:49:45 AM
Did Mir have any offense in that fight. Every time Mir loses its in the same fashion. He either gets the jump on the guy or the guy gets the jump on him. If his opponent gets the smallest edge Mir seems to lay down.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Point Dog on March 29, 2010, 01:30:21 PM
Who was that a-hole who kepty applying the heel hook after his opponent tapped and the ref starting pulling him off!? :x  VERY wrong  :x :x :x  I want to know his name so I can cheer when karma bites him in the ass. :evil:

Said A-hole has been suspended for 3 months...

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/UFC-111-Analysis-The-Main-Card-23525
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 30, 2010, 06:18:55 AM
C-PD:

Thanks for the news-- and my disrespect to Sherdog for missing the point.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 30, 2010, 08:52:55 AM
Well, what I saw was the opponent vigorously and clearly tapping on the A-hole in submssion, and the A-hole merrily continuing to crank and then not immediately responding to the ref.  The man knew exactly what a heel hook is and what it does.  His behavior is reprehensible, and the attitude displayed in the Sherdog mini-piece earns disrespect as well.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on March 30, 2010, 01:28:04 PM
Sherdog's piece in question:

Quote

While it’s arguable that the Brazilian Top Team fighter could have released the hold a second earlier, it is questionable why the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board has suspended him for three months for doing his job -- which is fighting until the referee says break. Not unnecessarily injuring your opponent goes without saying, but hindering a fighter’s work like that is unheard of.


Joe Rogan was chastisizing Palhares all the way... Rogan counted how many seconds during one of the replays that Palhares kept the heel hook on. It was 5 secs after the tap and IIRC, the ref came in to yank Palhares off after 2 secs.

edit:  click link for animated gif -- not my link or gif -- props to the gifmaker

http://img.mixedmartialarts.com/method=get&s=rousimar-palhares.gif

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 31, 2010, 04:45:41 AM
Sorry, I do not agree at all.

I get the bit about risks.  That said I prefer a fighter that does not take advantage of any time lag in the referee's arrival after an opponent is KO'd over one who dishes out gratuitous shots to an already unconscious man.

Pulhares's behavior here presents an entirely different question.  Submission was clearly made , , , and ignored.  THEN the ref sought to break the hold, and was resisted.   Palhares has to be held as knowing the lasting damage that a heel hook is intended to do, and he did it.  To hold him accountable for what he did IMO has nothing to do with hindsight.  Indeed it is precisely the egregiousness of his behavior that eliminates that issue.

I get some of these guys have "a mean streak".  That is PRECISELY why they need to be held accountable with a clear violation such as was the case here.

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: CrazyCossack on March 31, 2010, 09:02:20 AM
Just to add my two cents.

First off, he wasn't holding it for nearly as long as Joe Rogan made it out to be, when Joe Rogan counted to 5 seconds he was watching the slow motion replay, which I think he did mention and realize after he did it. Although I definetly think it was held too long.

There has also been a few instances in the UFC of people "fake tapping" where they tap twice or make like there tapping, then slip out when their opponent momentarily releases their grip,  I think CB Dollaway has been accused of this a few times.  Although once again, I don't think there is anyone who would consider that close to a fake tap, (I think he tapped nine times).

I liked Palhares going into this, but I'm not that big of a fan now, I can see the logic in holding it until the ref stops the fight, but in this case it was pretty extreme, especially considering it was a heel hook.

What's also interesting is that he was given a 90 day suspension, but what kind of punishment is that? Most of these guys only fight ever 3 or 4 months anyway, its likely he wouldn't have fought for 90 days anyway, this is in comparison to Babalu who got completely FIRED for holding a choke too long.

I'd much rather have someone hold a choke for 2 extra seconds on me, than have someone do the same thing with a heelhook.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 31, 2010, 06:42:56 PM
I'd be delighted to see a more severe penalty.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: bjung on March 31, 2010, 11:17:33 PM
I just saw the fight this morning and as a person whose had knee surgery I was pretty disgusted by it. That is easily a career ending submission and could significantly inhibit the fighter's quality of life, ability to generate an income, etc. He tapped, and considering that Palhares is extremely experienced, he should have let go. He knew exactly what he was doing, and his excuse is pretty lame.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on April 09, 2010, 09:05:26 AM
Main Event: UFC Middleweight & Lightweight Championship Bouts
Anderson Silva (15-4) vs Demian Maia (12-1)
BJ Penn (15-5-1) vs Frankie Edgar (11-1)

Main Card
Matt Hughes (44-7) vs Renzo Gracie
Kendall Grove (13-6) vs Mark Munoz (7-1)
Rafael dos Anjos (13-4) vs Terry Etim (14-3)

Undercard
Phil Davis (5-0) vs Alexander Gustafsson (9-0)
John Gunderson (22-7) vs Paul Taylor (10-5-1-1)
Nick Osipczak (5-1) vs Rick Story (9-3)
Paul Kelly (10-2) vs Matt Veach (11-1)
Demarques Johnson (15-7) vs Brad Blackburn (15-10-1-1)
Mostapha Al Turk (6-5) vs. Jon Madsen (4-0)


as much as i like both Renzo and Matt Hughes, think Hughes wins, and don't think it will be close with Silva and Maia and same with BJ Penn's fight.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: drammel on April 09, 2010, 11:43:13 AM
Phil Davis, didn't Gruhn train him or with him?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on April 09, 2010, 12:39:38 PM
@SG:

I got my picks in for this event- be on the lookout for TEOTWAWKI!

-Chad
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 09, 2010, 06:53:46 PM
I'm rooting for Renzo.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on April 09, 2010, 09:13:27 PM
@SG:

I got my picks in for this event- be on the lookout for TEOTWAWKI!

-Chad

woof Chad:

loooong time!

ufc fantasy site sux dog poopoo... i cannot see others' votes. i just logged in and cannot even see my own votes under view league votes, but if i went to review vote i can see my picks... it seems like the past events were like that. i don't know if others in our league voted or not on the past ufc's... i missed a few, mostly minor events, but major events i've been voting. i may have missed one.

maybe it's my browser? or maybe that site sux cos it's hard to view league votes for some reason.

~sg
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on April 10, 2010, 02:35:45 PM
@SG:

I got my picks in for this event- be on the lookout for TEOTWAWKI!

-Chad

woof Chad:

loooong time!

ufc fantasy site sux dog poopoo... i cannot see others' votes. i just logged in and cannot even see my own votes under view league votes, but if i went to review vote i can see my picks... it seems like the past events were like that. i don't know if others in our league voted or not on the past ufc's... i missed a few, mostly minor events, but major events i've been voting. i may have missed one.

maybe it's my browser? or maybe that site sux cos it's hard to view league votes for some reason.

~sg

Yes I would not say it is user-friendly. try this:

1. Login
2. On the lefthand vertical menu select "My League"
3. On the Horizontal menu that appears, select "View League Votes"
4. Directly below the menu will be two drop down menus one for your league "ALL DOGS GO TO HEAVEN" and the event.
The current default for events is "UFC 112: INVINCIBLE" Use the Event drop-down to select the one you want.
5. Click the square "Go" button
6. Each league member that voted will have a red "+" in front of their name, click that plus sign and their picks will appear.
You can also see your own picks this way.

Hopefully that works we had IE6 here at work until recently and it worked fine...

It's just you and me now we need to do good through UFC 115 to win prizes - but we can draft more players before UFC 113
so anyone reading this thats wants to play hit me up.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Jonobos on April 10, 2010, 11:58:43 PM
Phil Davis, didn't Gruhn train him or with him?

Yes, Phil Davis trained with us State College Pa boys at the start of his career. We are all very excited for him!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 11, 2010, 07:49:00 AM
Some rather disappointing fights last night IMHO.

Neither Hughes nor Renzo seemed to have much fire left in them.  Two great warriors in their time , , , which is now gone. 

Odd performance by Spider.  The talent is off the charts, so what was it the last half of the fight when he just danced around?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on April 11, 2010, 08:38:30 AM
UFC needs to focus on more quality and less quantity. It seems they have an event every weekend now! It's overwhelming just trying to keep up. Vera vs. Jones, Mir vs. Carwin, whats his face vs. Gomi, Penn vs. Frankenstein, blah!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on April 11, 2010, 12:32:04 PM
woof Chad,

i did that, but still cannot see votes. ugh... site sux.

--------

Guro,

i didn't have the sound on loud, didn't want to disturb wife and kids, but thought i heard it was a hot humid night in open air stadium or something? bj penn looked tired and as did silva after rd 3. very disappointing fights.

agreed on hughes x gracie, hughes didn't even setup his kicks with punches, just threw them and kept landing them. i think gracie was too 'task fixated' (forgive the slightly out of context usage) on getting a KO via his boxing punches which seem to have some success in landing.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on April 12, 2010, 12:14:54 PM
woof Chad,

i did that, but still cannot see votes. ugh... site sux.

perhaps we can try faux betting again? if youre interested I'll start a new thread when 113 draws closer.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on April 12, 2010, 12:48:59 PM
Chad,

sure, can you see my votes? i've not selected the option of 'hide votes from league'.

-------------------------

don't want to kill the orig pichost's bandwidth by showing it on the thread. props to the original gif maker from mma.tv

please click on link to check out an animated gif of fedor x anderson silva

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f217/shomanart/mm5pus.gif


enjoy!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on April 12, 2010, 03:36:02 PM
I see your votes fine. I dunno why you cant. Make sure to follow my directions to the letter.

nice score btw.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on April 12, 2010, 06:43:35 PM
woof Chad,

very strange, now i see your votes. but i don't see it for previous events.

thx on score, but it wasn't so good. the previous one with ufn 21-florian x gomi, i scored 200+, that was way better, close if not surpassing my first time trying ufc fantasy out... beginner's luck strikes again finally lol

~sg
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on April 14, 2010, 09:40:43 AM
had a chance to upload to my own pichost

(http://i44.tinypic.com/25z2phi.jpg)


here's another one... this one is anderson x maia


(http://i41.tinypic.com/29l0i84.jpg)


props to the original gif makers.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guide Dog on April 18, 2010, 08:46:32 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/Ugly-brawl-mars-Jake-Shields-win-embarrasses-M?urn=mma,234891

Thoughts, anyone?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: maija on April 19, 2010, 04:23:15 PM
Funnily enough .... a friend just shared this with me - http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/4/19/1430844/waaa-hhhhh-the-decline-of-balls-in
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on April 24, 2010, 01:29:25 PM
woof Chad,

very strange, now i see your votes. but i don't see it for previous events.

thx on score, but it wasn't so good. the previous one with ufn 21-florian x gomi, i scored 200+, that was way better, close if not surpassing my first time trying ufc fantasy out... beginner's luck strikes again finally lol

~sg

Went to check today and both of our votes are missing for UFC 112!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on April 26, 2010, 09:25:44 AM
ugh.... UFC.com programmers please fix the site!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Maxx on April 26, 2010, 07:43:04 PM
Just thought I would put this up, Even MMA cant stop a street type fight

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/Ugly-brawl-mars-Jake-Shields-win-embarrasses-M?urn=mma,234891
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Rarick on April 27, 2010, 01:16:09 AM
Sticky- Chad  If you look at the homepage, you will see they pulled that one because of too many cheaters........ :-o
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on May 10, 2010, 09:57:28 AM
Sticky- Chad  If you look at the homepage, you will see they pulled that one because of too many cheaters........ :-o

woof Rarick:

ah, i see that now. thx.

strange, i don't see Chad's votes for ufc 113. unless he didn't get a chance to get his votes in on time.

this ufc ran the gamut of outcomes... congrats to Shogun on KO victory! Alan Belcher with a slam to RNC. Daley with a cheap shot on Koscheck. Kimbo getting his leg chopped down by Mitrione. MacDonald with a broken leg!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on May 10, 2010, 01:30:57 PM
strange, i don't see Chad's votes for ufc 113. unless he didn't get a chance to get his votes in on time.

this ufc ran the gamut of outcomes... congrats to Shogun on KO victory! Alan Belcher with a slam to RNC. Daley with a cheap shot on Koscheck. Kimbo getting his leg chopped down by Mitrione. MacDonald with a broken leg!

Epic Fail on my part... I thought we were abandoning that site. UFC 113 was the best night of fights in recent memory I doubt either Evans or Jackson can beat Rua. I will go back to fantasy.ufc.com for the next one... sorry SG.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on May 12, 2010, 09:07:27 AM
strange, i don't see Chad's votes for ufc 113. unless he didn't get a chance to get his votes in on time.

this ufc ran the gamut of outcomes... congrats to Shogun on KO victory! Alan Belcher with a slam to RNC. Daley with a cheap shot on Koscheck. Kimbo getting his leg chopped down by Mitrione. MacDonald with a broken leg!

Epic Fail on my part... I thought we were abandoning that site. UFC 113 was the best night of fights in recent memory I doubt either Evans or Jackson can beat Rua. I will go back to fantasy.ufc.com for the next one... sorry SG.

woof Chad,

oic -- no worries... pls let me know what you want to do on the next one.

~sg
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 24, 2010, 03:36:24 AM
Watching this week's TUF I had a moment of really not liking Dana White.  It came when the fighterwith the injured knee had to decide whether to continue a nd this risk catastrophic injury to his knee or withdraw. DW asked the fighter if he was "quitting" and in that moment I had a visceral sense of him being the current incarnation of a scumbag boxing promoter.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 26, 2010, 08:50:02 AM
What is the UFC rule concerning stomps to the knee?

I clearly saw one buckle at fighter on TUF last week with nary a comment from anyone.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 31, 2010, 05:27:03 AM
UFC prices, the unevenness of fight cards, and my budget are such that I don't pay for watching all by myself.  Fortunately I have a neighbor who always watches and with 3-4 friends to share the cost, the price comes down for each of us quite a bit.  Unfortunately my neighbor's 50th birthday party was on Saturday and he went to Vegas to watch the fight.



Bottom line: I didn't see the fights on Saturday night.  Would someone be so kind as to give me the run down?  I am interested to hear descriptions of Rashad vs. Rampage, not because of the soap opera of it (as good fun as that has been) but for a description of Evans striking game.  I have a reason for asking, but will leave it out for now so as to not lead any responses.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: bjung on May 31, 2010, 09:12:58 AM
Rashad really utilized good footwork to lunge into range, land strikes, and then jump out. Other times he used his strikes to close distance and push Rampage against the cage. His striking looked good against Rampage, but I think Lyoto would've knocked him out again if they were fighting last night (though there's different strokes for different folks).

One thing Rashad does is let his hands way down (although being loose is a good thing) and sway about in what almost looks like a small Capoeira step.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on June 26, 2010, 10:44:53 PM
Well Fedor gets triangled by Werdum, does that make Werdum the new #1 heavyweight in the world. I can hear Dana White now. Werdum was cut from the UFC and he just tapped out the so called #1 heavyweight in the world. Lots of fuel for that fire. :?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 27, 2010, 12:41:30 AM
I am in the mountains of Slovenia right now so I did not get to see this.

What were the other fights and how did they go?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on June 27, 2010, 02:18:42 AM
Slovenia? Enjoy!

Well Cung Le avenged his KO loss to Scott Smith with a KO of his own. Cung Le landed two spinning back kicks the second of which hurt Scott Smith, Cung Le followed up for the KO.

Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos beat Jan Finney to a pulp to retain her womens title belt, and the rest of the card was forgettable.

Took only 69 seconds for Werdum to submit Fedor! :-D
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 27, 2010, 03:39:24 PM
Thanks for the report.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 29, 2010, 06:58:19 AM
Well, on general principles I think it a good thing that the UFC have competition.

As for Lesnar vs. Carwin, this is one to which I am really looking forward.  I root for Carwin, to me Lesnar seems a bully.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on June 29, 2010, 10:41:38 AM
Woof all:

I really am looking forward to this fight. In the UFC Fantasy League, I generally would vote for Brock Lesnar with the attitude of "he's so big, strong AND fast for his size, he would be tough to beat". But I am slowly but surely becoming a Shane Carwin fan. He showed me something when he took on Frank Mir.

I think if Carwin is able to keep it standing up, he has legit KO power and will test Lesnar's jaw. Push Lesnar to the cage and like he did with Mir, do it to Brock. Lesnar needs to take Shane down and do his G&P like he did to Mir.

My friend put it roughly this way, Shane has 5 5-min rounds to KO Brock. Even if Brock gets Shane on the ground, he probably won't get a sub and ref will stand them back up again.

~sg
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on June 30, 2010, 09:18:58 AM
Just putting this out there. Does anyone think that last Fedor fight was a work? :?

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 30, 2010, 10:24:08 AM
What is the business logic of that theory?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sisco T. on June 30, 2010, 12:18:19 PM
''Just putting this out there. Does anyone think that last Fedor fight was a work?''


 do you seem to think it was?

 i really think he just made a mistake. if you watch all his other fight, especially with antonio rodrigo nogueira, he had this uncanny ablity to just ''shuck'' nogueira's legs, pass, then smash him. he's dominated so thoroughly in all his fights i'm sure his learning curve stopped, b/c it didn't need to grow. i'm not saying he'd win a rematch w/ werdum, but i'd bet he wouldn't make that mistake again.

 guys like dana white, and all these others saying he 's not/ was nver that good are just buying into the ufc machine(of which,obviously, i'm a huge fan).

  Francisco
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on July 03, 2010, 09:52:00 PM
How bout that Lesnar submission tonight.

Lesnar showed a lot of heart tonight, took a beating in that first round, but came back.

Purple belt in jiu jitsu paid off! He's big, he's tough as nails, he can obviously hit hard, showed he can learn and use technique in the heat of battle= Hard to beat!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on July 03, 2010, 10:02:07 PM
Hats off to the referee, if Steve Mazagotti was in that fight, Shane Carwin would be the new heavyweight champion! :-D
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on July 03, 2010, 10:16:01 PM
Much respect for both Shane and Brock!

If only Shane paced himself IMO... he exploded on Brock and held nothing back. He was noticeably tired. Brock's corner mentioned it too.

Rooted for Shane to KO Brock, but IMO, Shane should've held back some, get better positioning and conserve energy and pick his spots when he had clear shot when he was on top.

Hope there's immediate rematch like BJ Penn x Frankie Edgar 2 and Lyoto x Shogun 2.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on July 03, 2010, 10:44:35 PM
IMO if any other referee was in that fight, Carwin would have had the TKO. Brock was clearly getting whooped in that first round. Shane Carwin is going to be that guy who always reverts back to what he does best, put down that beat down. Brock clearly showed he needs to improve his stand up game, but he also showed he's learning technique. He showed patience on the ground, sensitivity pulling full mount and he showed that he was a few steps ahead of Carwin in the mental chess game, while working for the submission.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on July 04, 2010, 12:05:22 AM
3 gif's I made. If they don't show up, please let me know. First 2 shows Shane in action. Last one is Shane just before round 2 looking at Brock.

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_x6uys1z3-mI/TDAxMSOVzSI/AAAAAAAAAP4/-XIxbWR_Tx0/UFC116-ShaneCarwinWinXBrockLesnar1a-250-sg.gif)(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_x6uys1z3-mI/TDAxMINCG0I/AAAAAAAAAP0/FUHtozFmuS8/UFC116-ShaneCarwinWinXBrockLesnar1b-250-sg.gif)

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_x6uys1z3-mI/TDAnCGZSIVI/AAAAAAAAAPk/fnDZsO9jPsE/UFC116-ShaneCarwinWink-300-sg.gif)

3am... way past my bedtime. GN all.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on August 09, 2010, 05:44:10 AM
So, did he tap or not?

 :-D
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on August 09, 2010, 10:00:34 AM
So, did he tap or not?

 :-D

Apparently it's not the first time he (Chael Sonnen) pulled this "I didn't tap". Looks like he was tapping to the armbar and not the triangle choke.

My friend, Ausgepicht, posted these gifs on his forum (Spladdle) (http://www.spladdle.com/forum/showthread.php?p=143946). Copying his post for this forum.

They are links instead so as not to slow the loading of this thread. My thanks to Aus and the original gif makers.



Anderson Vs Chael
Chael's Flip (http://i36.tinypic.com/2vn2muq.jpg)
Chael lands a bomb (http://i37.tinypic.com/2lu2cyp.gif)
Sonnen stands up from the bottom/reversal (http://i35.tinypic.com/2h7gd2u.jpg)
Sonnen's Mongolian chops/Sakuraba tribute? (http://i33.tinypic.com/33n9l48.jpg)
Sonnen's pressure on the ground (http://i34.tinypic.com/ma9nw9.jpg)
Silva with funny caption (http://i36.tinypic.com/2zyzcia.jpg)
Silva lands an elbow at distance (http://i35.tinypic.com/2jyub.jpg)
Sonnen lands a bomb and almost knocks Silva down (http://i38.tinypic.com/2cqity9.jpg)
Silva's short elbow from the guard that cuts Sonnen (http://i33.tinypic.com/w2olkk.jpg)
Anderson hocks a loogie (http://i36.tinypic.com/jrp6rl.jpg)
Silva's impeccable timing on triangle (http://ka.rg.free.fr/ufc%20117%20sotn.gif)
Silva switches to armbar and gets the tap (http://ka.rg.free.fr/ufc%20117%20sotn%202.gif)

JDS vs Roy Nelson
Nelson the punching bag (http://i38.tinypic.com/2eqeuef.jpg)
Nelson the punching bag part 2 (http://i33.tinypic.com/2n1i45c.jpg)
Nelson tries for a takedown (http://i33.tinypic.com/55ou2a.jpg)
Roy lands a bomb (http://i35.tinypic.com/qxmgrl.jpg)
Nasty bodyshot from JDS (http://i35.tinypic.com/2clkso.jpg)
Uppercut of doom (http://i35.tinypic.com/2vlvdr7.jpg)
Clinch Fibbing (http://ka.rg.free.fr/belly%20b.gif)
Uppercut sits Nelson down (http://i35.tinypic.com/6i9p93.jpg)
JDS's Long Knee (http://ka.rg.free.fr/UFC%20117%20JDS%20Nelson%20a2.gif)
Another long knee (http://i37.tinypic.com/2564w3p.jpg)

Hughes vs Almeida
Hughes counters jab w/ a left hook/sits Almeida down (http://i33.tinypic.com/35k7q7c.jpg)

Stefan Struve
Struve sits Morehouse down (http://i33.tinypic.com/3344y6t.jpg)
Struve pounds away BRUTAL (http://i34.tinypic.com/2m4yqlt.jpg)
Struve celebrates (http://i38.tinypic.com/smucdx.jpg)




Enjoy!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on August 23, 2010, 12:23:16 PM
found an interesting odds site: http://www.ufcdogbet.com/

cool name, too.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on August 28, 2010, 09:56:24 PM
Frankie Edgar has BJ Penn's number! :cry:
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 28, 2010, 10:26:58 PM
I had hopes for Toney doing better than that for a little while , , , until I saw how fat he was after 9 months of training. :-P

Before Toney vs. Couture, someone in our group asked who would win.  "Dana White" came the answer.  A perfect fight for Dana:  Couture remains a money maker without risking his icon status.

Absolutely no fight plan that I could detect on the part of Team Penn "Do the same thing as last time when you lost." 
:-P   Edgar is an unusually mobile and unusually fit fighter.  Net result?  He got to choose virtually all moments of initiation of contact.   Advice to BJ between rounds was next to useless, except for "When the two of you are on the fence, put his back to the fence" or something like that.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sisco T. on August 29, 2010, 11:27:04 AM
  Advice to BJ between rounds was next to useless, except for "When the two of you are on the fence, put his back to the fence" or something like that.

 all bj's corner was telling him was that edagr is pu$$y, c@cksucker,etc. they did nothing but call him names. not one bit of sound cornering. in edgar's corner you could hear them giving him very good, but simple instructions: feints are working, stay unpredictable, etc,etc.

 not so sure bj would've won, but the fight could've much different for bj if his corner would've had a bit more urgency(esp after the 2nd rounnd) and A LOT better technical advice between rounds.

  i was rooting for toney, but knew it was, at best, wishful thinking. i knew couture and his lame forearm tattoo would be too much for james.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on August 29, 2010, 11:08:34 PM
Only caught 3 fights.

Joe Lauzon was impressive. Unrelenting.


(http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac105/dbma4eva/ufc118/UFC118-JLauXGodzilla-1-sg.gif)
(http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac105/dbma4eva/ufc118/UFC118-JLauXGodzilla-2-sg.gif)
(http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac105/dbma4eva/ufc118/UFC118-JLauXGodzilla-3-sg.gif)
(http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac105/dbma4eva/ufc118/UFC118-JLauXGodzilla-4-sg.gif)
(http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac105/dbma4eva/ufc118/UFC118-JLauXGodzilla-5-sg.gif)
(http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac105/dbma4eva/ufc118/UFC118-JLauXGodzilla-6-sg.gif)


WOOHOO for Randy, called everything for the UFC Fantasy except the minute. Randy got a RNC on Mark Coleman, thought Toney being a noob at grappling, would give up his back and Randy gets the RNC. Randy mentioned to Joe Rogan that he worked on the arm triangle choke for a year, nice!

(http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac105/dbma4eva/ufc118/UFC118-CoutureXToney-1-sg.gif)
(http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac105/dbma4eva/ufc118/UFC118-CoutureXToney-2-sg.gif)
(http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac105/dbma4eva/ufc118/UFC118-CoutureXToney-3-sg.gif)



Man, did BJ cut weight again? Is Edgar THAT good? Is Edgar in BJ's head? Lackluster performance by BJ. Dude, if your hands ain't knocking him out, take him down and sub his @$$. Edgar's a purple and you a world-class BJJ'er. It's like his fight with Kenny Florian... box a few rounds, finally, take Kenny down and sub him. Should've did that vs. Edgar in both fight. Perhaps the cutting weight was a huge factor in the first fight, I don't know if it was for this fight.





p.s. Sorry Chad, I had partial picks in 2 wks ago, then thought I would finalize my picks before Friday. Of course, got busy and didn't remember. Measly 82 pts.
Title: Yee hah!
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 22, 2010, 12:02:58 PM
Looks like I get to go to tomorrow night's UFC for free!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Howling Dog on October 22, 2010, 01:52:16 PM
Woof Guro Crafty, Thats a Damn good price.  :lol: 8-). Have a great time.
Im going with Lesner.....Though the potential for a good fight is there.
His power has proven to be too much thus far....
             HD
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 22, 2010, 03:06:36 PM
And, given the crew who is bringing me along, the seats promise to be rather good :wink:  Keep on eye for me on your TV screen :-D
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: pau on October 23, 2010, 09:30:09 PM
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Cain new champion VIVA MEXICO ahaha jeje sorry mexican pride  :-D
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on October 23, 2010, 10:31:41 PM
Man, here we go again, nice fight, Lesnar got whooped, lets see how long Cain can keep it!  Cain can sure let his hands fly, CRACK!!!!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 23, 2010, 10:53:46 PM
I had fourth row in the VIP section.  Dana and Randy Couture were about 8 seats diagonally from me. 8-)

In his last fight Lesnar flinched on one good hit and covered up until Shane Carwell got gassed.  Here CV was not intimidated, and had no problems with gas in the tank or staying calm in BL's initial bull surges.  BL still does not like getting hit.

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Howling Dog on October 24, 2010, 05:49:47 AM
Woof GC, Very cool seats! Also tough tickets to get. I looked for you, but alas to no avail.  :-)

And so goes the heavy weight div.....CV is a very good well rounded fighter with plenty of gas in the tank.
But we are back to the 230 something pound heavy weights, which is ok...but I don't see him holding the title long.
I can remember when everyone  including myself thought Andre Arlovski was the next big thing  :-D
Jr. Dos Santos waits in the wings......and has a decent chance to be the next champ.
 TAC!   HD
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on October 24, 2010, 07:04:56 PM
Mr. Denny, just out of curiosity, what was the look on Dana Whites face after Brocks TKO.  :?

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 25, 2010, 06:17:52 AM
I didn't get to get to see it :lol:  I suspect though that he will find a way to make money  :lol:
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on October 25, 2010, 10:39:35 AM
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Cain new champion VIVA MEXICO ahaha jeje sorry mexican pride  :-D

He was born in California, so....

USA!  USA!  USA!
 :wink:
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on October 25, 2010, 11:04:50 AM
Copying and pasting some pix posted by my friend Ausgepicht from elsewhere.

(http://urdirt.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/kcle911.gif)

Dana White looks disappointed that Lesnar lost.

(http://ka.rg.free.fr/Sherdog/Requests/ufc%20121%20dana.gif)

What a cut on Brock's face!

(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/10789/1472424-cain2_super.png)

Congrats to Cain! I really like him. I was anti-Lesnar to begin with, thought it gimmicky of White to have him in the UFC. But after Brock beat Shane Carwin (who I also like) coupled with Lesnar's coaches (Erik Paulson and Greg Nelson = JKD!!!!), I started to like Lesnar a little.

Think Junior Dos Santos is next up for Cain Velasquez, which should be a good fight, but the fight I want to see is Cain vs Shane Carwin.




My thanks to Ausgepicht for posting the pix as well as to the original gif makers.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 25, 2010, 02:09:42 PM
Pau, Chad:

I confess to being irritated by the Brown Power tatoo he recently got and the tone of some things said.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on October 27, 2010, 09:04:56 AM
Just rewatched the fight, tell me Cain didn't use some trapping on the ground, on Brock! Yeah it's obvious that in his life Brock was used to being the hitter and not the hittee, if thats a word.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: pau on November 02, 2010, 07:54:58 PM
Pau, Chad:

I confess to being irritated by the Brown Power tatoo he recently got and the tone of some things said.

Wow i ment nothing bad   :lol:
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 03, 2010, 04:18:47 AM
Pau:

Nothing amiss with your comment.  Inadvertently you stepped into an American political minefield.  :-) Like Rarick, I take the tatoo as a symbol of divisiveness, all the more inflammatory in the context of the brouhaha over Arizona's law about illegal immigration wherein many people IMHO have showed great disrespect to the concept of America.  I count myself as amongst those who believe that if you come to America, then come to be an American.  Unfortunately it seems that they is a growing number of people here who do not feel that way.

Furthermore and apart from that, I would be irked at "Yellow Power" or "Red Power" or anything like that.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: pau on November 03, 2010, 11:24:20 PM
Well their's a saying in my family "Don't discus Politics, Religion, Race, or Futball cus some one is always going to get angry" and this from my one personal family hehe  we are all FMA family all colors all creeds come together cus of DBMA :-D  this is an MMA thereat so lets get back to topic.

On The Ultimate Fighter how do you guys see Koscheck as a trainer??? man the guy is 6-2 is it cus HE is bad as a trainer?? to me he is an ass all the way, i know it makes good TV but to me he is a bad example for the people how love the sport.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on November 04, 2010, 07:46:20 AM
Thats' the thing that gets me most- he's not from Mexico. His Dad became a naturalized citizen on his SEVENTH try. Cain is an American. So he can't be the First Mexican HW champ. It really has nothing to do with race- I'm upset with the fact that Dana White has politicized my one escape from the real world in  MMA.

* * *

I agree Kozcheck sure comes off as a a**hole. This will be the first time I am cheering for GSP...
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 04, 2010, 08:41:54 AM
Chad:

Exactly so. 

By billing himself as a Mexican champ and tatooing himself with "Brown Power" Cain elevates race to the highest loyalty.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: selfcritical on November 21, 2010, 08:39:49 AM
Lyoto almost ended the fight 4 times. Rampage was never close to doing so even once. I don't see giving him the decision off of one takedown and two uppercuts.
Title: Sundry
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 05, 2010, 02:37:38 PM

a) Freddie Roach on GSP:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpkjn8Wufz8&feature=player_embedded

b) Machida vs. Jackson:  Hard to see how the judges came to that decision!

c) Last night on the TUF finale event, Joe Rogan had a riff on how bad decsions are getting  to start to thing that MMA is starting to get corrupt; he went on to say that it is because the Nevada Athletic Commission, which basically is boxing people, is putting clueless morons judging UFC fights.  I was surprised at how candid his comments were.

d) Exciting finale to the TUF event.  I really like that kid who won (name slips my mind at the moment) but he sure took too many strong hits in the first round.  IMHO shots like those have a cumulative effect.  He really needs to clean up his standing striking game.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on December 06, 2010, 11:16:15 AM
I am glad Rogan spoke out. Nobody else in the UFC organization will say it. Rogan is a wealthy man, he can afford to be candid.
Title: Re: Sundry
Post by: selfcritical on December 08, 2010, 10:01:33 AM

a) Freddie Roach on GSP:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpkjn8Wufz8&feature=player_embedded

b) Machida vs. Jackson:  Hard to see how the judges came to that decision!

c) Last night on the TUF finale event, Joe Rogan had a riff on how bad decsions are getting  to start to thing that MMA is starting to get corrupt; he went on to say that it is because the Nevada Athletic Commission, which basically is boxing people, is putting clueless morons judging UFC fights.  I was surprised at how candid his comments were.

d) Exciting finale to the TUF event.  I really like that kid who won (name slips my mind at the moment) but he sure took too many strong hits in the first round.  IMHO shots like those have a cumulative effect.  He really needs to clean up his standing striking game.

Jonathan Brookins. You'd think he would have learned that lesson after fighting Jose Aldo(and doing suprising well before getting knocked out)
Title: UFC 125 gifs
Post by: Stickgrappler on January 03, 2011, 10:38:30 AM
Copied and pasted my friend Ausgepicht's post from his forum... some gifs from UFC 125. They are links to the gifs so as not to slow the page loading. Enjoy!

Leben and Stann exchange (http://"http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zz3p63WSXZE/TSAEfUMMhMI/AAAAAAAABXk/O0xEP7hIKew/s1600/2.gif")
Stann BLASTS Leben out (http://"http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zz3p63WSXZE/TSAEqQgB8AI/AAAAAAAABXo/tBSzeUhA1UQ/s1600/3.gif")
Gray's left hook to start the madness (http://"http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zz3p63WSXZE/TSAIuiAcrYI/AAAAAAAABXs/xFGm3oEn1M8/s1600/1.gif")
More damage from Gray (http://"http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zz3p63WSXZE/TSAI9si8ulI/AAAAAAAABXw/_5ks5z0uXoY/s1600/2.gif")
Sweet slam from Frankie (http://"http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zz3p63WSXZE/TSAKh_Xs5MI/AAAAAAAABX4/d9hlKk-0NAg/s1600/4.gif")
 Illegal knee from Nate? (http://"http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zz3p63WSXZE/TR_3UypVB_I/AAAAAAAABWg/9RN8-7EjLqk/s1600/6.gif")
Failed Dongdown (http://"http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zz3p63WSXZE/TR_4FTdH45I/AAAAAAAABWs/vl1jAZG7dLg/s1600/7.gif")
Guida's Guillotine on Gomi (http://"http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zz3p63WSXZE/TR_w_ZWDo8I/AAAAAAAABWE/Ai5ws94ribQ/s1600/5.gif")
Stephens dispatches Davis (http://"http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zz3p63WSXZE/TR_p-u1c5eI/AAAAAAAABVo/l4ipoykKd5w/s1600/2.gif")
Robert's Kimura/DWL/Hammerlock (http://"http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zz3p63WSXZE/TSARbuoOQcI/AAAAAAAABYw/oNtzT_XW0mo/s1600/1111111111111.gif")
Baroni focusing on being silly (http://"http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zz3p63WSXZE/TR_enp0mOZI/AAAAAAAABUY/3Z13P8VxZ9A/s1600/1.gif")
Tavares takes out Baroni (http://"http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zz3p63WSXZE/TR_e8FcspbI/AAAAAAAABUg/vdcY4d_3AzI/s1600/3.gif")
Poirier's Thai Clinch (http://"http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zz3p63WSXZE/TR_iPNU62SI/AAAAAAAABU0/GlNAdi-XO5k/s1600/2.gif")
Poirier the beast! (http://"http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zz3p63WSXZE/TR_im8N1MfI/AAAAAAAABVE/IL4gBVC1kVw/s1600/4.gif")
Man-rape from Thiago (http://"http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zz3p63WSXZE/TSAAn_T0JCI/AAAAAAAABXQ/RE5aN3IOj00/s1600/5.gif")
Vera outdoes Franklin with obliterated nose (http://"http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zz3p63WSXZE/TSAAyL6ghtI/AAAAAAAABXU/U7cqhUJeceM/s1600/6.gif")

My thanks to Ausgepicht and the original gif makers.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Chad on January 07, 2011, 05:42:39 AM
It was cool seeing a Dogbrother(tm) cornering in the UFC. Are there any more other than Lucky Dog that are active in the organization?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on January 07, 2011, 10:04:16 AM
It was cool seeing a Dogbrother(tm) cornering in the UFC. Are there any more other than Lucky Dog that are active in the organization?

Woof Chad,

Sometime ago, I recall reading that Surf Dog was also coaching. Not sure if he is still actively coaching.

~sg
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 07, 2011, 11:35:56 AM
Chad:

Well, in addition to our being turned down in the early days of the UFC for being "just too extreme" (see the copy of the letter on this website) I was a judge at UFC 10.  Surf Dog was a judge for several years at "King of the Cage" which was something of a feeder event leading fighters to the UFC where I filled in for him when one of his students was fighting and Surf Dog is a regular judge at the UFC, TUF, and various MMA events around California-- of course only when one of his guys is not fighting.  Boo Dog is a regular sparring partner to elite UFC/MMA fighters out of Gokor Chiviikyan's gym (e.g. Manny Gamburian).

TAC!
CD
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on January 07, 2011, 11:45:57 AM
Thank you Guro C.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 07, 2011, 03:35:38 PM
I should also mention my days at the RAW Gym (Rico Chiapparelli, Frank Trigg, Vladimir Matyushenko, and others of note).
Title: Fightmetrics - UFC Stats
Post by: Stickgrappler on January 28, 2011, 07:47:40 AM
http://fightmetric.com/ufcrecords.html


Top Ten Stats for:

Shortest Avg. Fight Time
Longest Avg. Fight Time
Knockdowns Landed
Takedowns Landed
Takedown Accuracy
Takedown Defense
Significant Strikes Landed
Significant Strike Accuracy
SLpM - Strikes Landed per Min.
Total Strikes Landed
SApM - Strikes Absorbed per Min.
Significant Strike Defense

My thanks to my friend Ausgepicht for posting this elsewhere.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 07, 2011, 09:08:23 AM
Some good fights on the finals show of TUF I thought, though my recorder cut off just before that actual finals.  Great showing by Clay Guida!

Too bad about Lesnar's diverticulitis.  I disliked him before the TUF season began, and disliked him more as the season went by.  I would have liked to see Junior Dos Santos kick his ass.  Tis a thought without evidence beyond the curiosity of the timing, but I find myself wondering at the timing of the re-appearance of his diverticulitis , , ,  I read Lesnar as a bully and when a bully gets his ass thoroughly kicked as BL did by CV, the psychological implications for the bully's ego can be very challenging indeed.

Great face time for Erik Paulsen as the trainer for Team Lesnar!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sisco T. on June 14, 2011, 01:07:00 PM
 looking forward to the 2nd round of Strikeforce's heavyweight Grand Prix this Sat. on showtime. Overeem vs Werdum(good fight!) and barnett vs rogers(a kind of a gimme fight for josh). a pretty decent undercard too.

 i might miss it live though. L.A. film fest starts this weekend and there is a screening of the Evan Tanner documentary ''Once I was a Champion". im probably going to check it out. ill see if i can stay off internet to watch the fight replay later in the evening.


 Francisco
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on June 15, 2011, 02:52:34 AM
I think Werdum beat Roidereem once before, Josh Barnett has been talking a lot of trash, I don't give Rogers much of a chance, but I hope he gets in a lucky punch and knocks Barnett out!
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on June 15, 2011, 11:20:06 AM
No one gave Rogers a chance against Fedor, but he did well... also could be a factor of Fedor being overconfident.

On any given day, any fighter can beat any other fighter. It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sisco T. on June 15, 2011, 05:04:46 PM
I think Werdum beat Roidereem once before, Josh Barnett has been talking a lot of trash, I don't give Rogers much of a chance, but I hope he gets in a lucky punch and knocks Barnett out!

 it's funny you call Overeem ''Roidereem''. don't get me wrong, i also find his physique......suspect. especially if you look at him from just 4yrs ago, but he has never tested positive to my knowledge.

 then you have josh barnett there. he was once one of my favorites. not only because of his fighting ablilty, but  also his affinity for anime, manga, comics, and quoting ''fist of the north star'' to his opponents  :-D. having been caught on THREE different occasions, and pretty much killing ''affliction'' you'd think he'd be geting more attention for his positive tests.

           Francisco
Title: ABB
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 28, 2011, 03:49:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7hzcLZ7uRc&feature=related
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guide Dog on October 11, 2011, 10:05:30 PM
Forgive me if this is not the proper place for this, but wasn't this the guy who trained Kimo and then danced in the octagon with him when Royce Gracie decided not to continue after his fight with Kimo in UFC III?

I also seem to remember this guy being involved in a UFC fight before groin shots were illegal during which someone was repeatedly punched in the groin. I can't remember if this guy was on the receiving end or the giving end, so to speak.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44867359?GT1=43001#.TpUcIxx8SzY
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: bigdog on October 12, 2011, 05:01:23 AM
He also was the GM of Joe San-do.  Really.

Forgive me if this is not the proper place for this, but wasn't this the guy who trained Kimo and then danced in the octagon with him when Royce Gracie decided not to continue after his fight with Kimo in UFC III?

I also seem to remember this guy being involved in a UFC fight before groin shots were illegal during which someone was repeatedly punched in the groin. I can't remember if this guy was on the receiving end or the giving end, so to speak.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44867359?GT1=43001#.TpUcIxx8SzY
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 12, 2011, 09:47:09 AM
IIRC he was delivering the groin shots.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Seeing-Eye Dog on October 12, 2011, 04:00:35 PM
Keith Hackney was delivering the groin shots to Joe Son.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 12, 2011, 06:35:45 PM
I stand corrected  :-)
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: C-Yo Dog on October 12, 2011, 09:58:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Mva-3n7TY
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: C-Yo Dog on October 12, 2011, 10:00:45 PM

new fight leauge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iYzTkOrHrp8
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Guide Dog on October 12, 2011, 10:15:24 PM
Okay, C-Yo Dog, I haven't laughed out loud that hard for some time. Thank you. That deserves afro smiley face.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: theskirt on October 13, 2011, 09:11:28 AM

new fight leauge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iYzTkOrHrp8

"cutting edge techniques"  - I like that one.  Florian really can give Ben Stiller a run for his money. 
Title: Alex Davis on Ego in MMA
Post by: Stickgrappler on October 23, 2011, 01:19:10 PM
My friend Xen Nova, on a different forum, gave me a heads-up to this article/interview. Pretty much substitute "Life" for "ego" and it's my thoughts too...well Alex Davis is way more articulate than I ever will be. Not sure if we have a thread devoted to ego only, so hoping this is the proper thread for this.

Copied from http://mmajunkie.com/news/25767/as-mma-continues-global-growth-veteran-manager-alex-davis-warns-of-egos-ugly-side.mma:

As MMA continues global growth, veteran manager Alex Davis warns of ego's ugly side

by John Morgan on Oct 22, 2011 at 3:00 pm ET


As a lifelong practitioner of judo and Brazilian jiu-jitsu, not to mention a founding member of MMA's famed American Top Team academy, noted MMA manager Alex Davis has seen the sport grow from the beaches and jungles of his native Brazil to a global phenomenon.

And while Davis believes there are still plenty of opportunities for growth in the sport, he's also bothered by a growing enemy within the sport: ego.

"Time and time again, I find myself staring ego in the face," Davis recently told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "A lot of money has been spent, events have been created, fights have been accepted, enemies have been made and big decisions taken – all based on ego."

"Ego is a part of us, it is a definition, it is a part of our mind that we use to identify our self. It is a subjective factor that drives many of us. And it is also a major factor in our sport. Many decisions are based on ego, strange as it may seem."

In some ways, ego is an integral part of a fighter's psyche. After all, in order to lock yourself in the cage with another man intent on separating you from consciousness, a certain confidence is required. But even if MMA's fighters are forced to toe the line of cockiness, Davis believes the athlete's support team should be available to make more rational evaluations. However, Davis said he doesn't believe this is always the case in today's MMA landscape.

"I don't know why ego so permeates MMA," Davis said. "Maybe it's the feeling that we get when we watch a fight that brings it out? We see a great fighter obtain a knockout or a submission, and we watch as he celebrates. At that moment, he is the man – the hero, the winner! We all want to be like him; we want that aura. We want to be looked at in the same way we are looking at him. We want to be near him, to participate in the glory; we want a piece of this. It's intoxicating. It touches us right in our ego, doesn't it?

"But, it's not reality. Whatever motivated this same guy to end up in that ring, a whole lot of hard work also went into it – a lot of sweat and a lot of pain. And here is where ego gets in the way. Your normal person, who for the most part has never really taken any activity as far as where these guys have taken what they do in order to do it, don't get it. They do not understand this reality. All they know, and its unconscious, is that they want a part of that glory. They want to be like that, and a lot of people act on that feeling. They act motivated by ego, and they will try to buy that feeling.

"Ego is a sorry decision-maker. It's a sorry trainer and sparring partner. It's a lousy manager. Ego turns champions into losers. It makes them forget what got them there in the first place. Some guys seem to be inoculated against it. Other guys are completely moved by it, and a whole bunch of other wackos are intoxicated by it."

It's Davis' perceived influx of those "wackos" into the sport that have him most concerned. It's new breed of manager, a new wave of trainers – perhaps even a few prospective professional fighters – who have allowed ego to overtake the true spirit of martial arts.

"Decisions based on ego will always be the wrong ones," Davis said. "It's not a logical factor. It's a feeling, although a real one, and decisions based on it will deviate from the objective, which in our case is to win fights.

"Martial arts teach us humility, teaches us about ourselves. When we step on a mat to compete or into a ring to fight, at that moment we are all by ourselves. No friend or trainer can share that moment. It's us and that other guy giving us that dirty look from the other side as he goes through and deals with the same moment."

It's an ages-old creed for those who train in traditional martial arts. Honor and respect over ego and personal gain. But as MMA continues its rapid global expansion, Davis believes some late arrivals to the scene are searching for financial gains and ego boosts instead of remaining true to the roots of the sport.

"The potential damage ego can cause is something a lot of people getting involved in this sport need to learn," Davis said. "It's pathetic to run into these people that just jumped on the bus but seem to think that they can just come up and buy a window seat in the front. Reality is not like that and careers are being ruined by this attitude. Fighters are being pried away from places like Greg Jackson's or American Top Team and fed an illusion of what some newcomer can do for them – what a Greg, who has spent a lifetime time doing this, supposedly can't. And what is all of this based on? Ego!

"I guess it also has to do with our culture – what we see on TV, how heroes are created and fed to us. I have been many, many times to Japan for fights, and one thing that has always struck me is the completely different way in which the Japanese fans see fights and fighters. In Japan, a loser can be as much a hero as the winner. He is appreciated by how hard and valiantly he fought. He is worshiped for never giving up, even though in the end, he lost.

"There is a deeper meaning to martial arts and MMA. It's what makes this sport noble rather then a bloodsport. Ego has no part of it. Ego is shallow and futile in comparison. The fighter learns that lesson, and that's why for the most part, fighters can be some of the nicest people out there. But in all aspects of MMA, not just fighting, we must learn to separate ourselves from our ego.

"What makes fighters win fights? Hard training with the right people and the right attitudes at the right times. It's determination. It's the will to overcome, to stick with it, to surpass our own selves, to become better and better. Maybe some people are motivated to do this out of their own ego. I guess what makes each person tick is different. But for sure, the moment ego takes over as the main decision-maker, things will go downhill."
Title: Evans and Torres "miscues"
Post by: bigdog on December 09, 2011, 02:59:55 AM
http://mma-boxing.si.com/2011/12/08/dana-white-responds-to-rashad-evans-miguel-torres-media-miscues/?sct=hp_t2_a17&eref=sihp

Miguel Torres has been let go by the UFC and Rashad Evans apologized to Dana White, both for expressing inappropriate thoughts. 
Title: Tonight's fights
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 10, 2011, 04:03:35 PM
Any comments/predictions on tonight's fights?
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: JDN on December 28, 2011, 09:28:39 AM
An interesting article on Dana White.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ufc-dana-white-20111228,0,970295.story
Title: Lesnar vs. Overeem & other fights tonight
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 30, 2011, 10:48:04 AM


http://mmajunkie.com/news/26745/ufc-141-preview-x-factors-muddy-otherwise-easy-lesnar-overeem-fight-breakdown.mma
Title: Surf Dog and TUF in Brazil
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 18, 2012, 09:55:14 PM
Surf Dog, who has become one of the top judges in MMA (regularly judging the UFC, Strikeforce, TUF, etc) will be one of the judges for this coming season where the coaches are Vitor Belfort and Vanderlei Silva.  The season will be in Brazil, filming begins Feb 6.  Surf Dog will be there for 6 weeks.

In other news female MMA fighter "Cyborg" tested positive for steroids after knocking out her Japanese opponent in 16 seconds.
Title: From the halls of Moctezuma banned from the air of UFC , , ,
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 29, 2012, 03:25:35 PM
UFC Boss Dana White Comments on Gun Ban
Posted on January 27, 2012 by Erik Fontanez

The right to carry arms is a freedom of U.S. citizens, but UFC fighters won’t be able to carry their brand names on their shorts or banners any longer.

UFC president Dana White confirmed on Thursday that any gun-related brand will no longer be allowed to sponsor UFC fighters in the Octagon.

“Yeah, guns and ammo are not sponsored in the UFC,” White said following the pre-fight press conference in Chicago.

Reports circulated that the UFC’s relationship with Fox may have something to do with the ban of gun-related sponsors. The UFC president admitted some relevancy, but advised the ban has more to do with the organization’s efforts to expand internationally, and is not an issue to fuss over. White explained that fighters feel the effects of such a ban, but that’s just the way things are.

“It wasn’t necessarily a Fox decision. I don’t know what the big deal is,” White said. “I know that some of the fighters get affected by it, but it is what it is.

“The reality of it is we’re going into other countries now. If you’re sitting in China, you want to see a United States Marine commercial? Holy (expletive), no! It’s all part of the growing pains of building a business like this and building the sport.”

The UFC has history in banning sponsors for a number of reasons. Some of the more notable bans from recent history have been names such as Affliction – which is no longer banned – and CondomDepot.com.

The Good4U Drinks company, another banned brand, was told by UFC officials in 2010 that their product was seen as a direct competitor of Zuffa-owned Xenergy, and wouldn’t be allowed sponsorship of fighters for UFC fight cards. UFC heavyweight Shane Carwin, who was sponsored by Good4U at the time, made his displeasure known by tweeting, “another worthy, great, honorable company supporting fighters banned by the UFC.”

Carwin’s post was later removed from his Twitter timeline.

Like most other sports entities, the sponsors the UFC often refuses conflict with other sponsors or interests already ingrained with the promotion, such as the case between Good4U Drinks and Xenergy. Other brands that promote subjects that the promotion doesn’t feel fit its image, like this case with firearm related sponsors, are often refused.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 08, 2012, 09:21:31 PM
Any comments concerning the recent UFC (Diaz vs. Condit et al)?

I thought Condit's strategy was clever in foiling Diaz's struture, but made for a boring fight.  I don't see much of a challenge to GSP from him though.

Verdum beat up Light Heavy with a 40 pound belly Roy "Country" Something-- amazing chin on Country. 

In the prelims "Bruce Lee Roy"  :roll: from TUF showed interesting Jun Fan Gung Fu like movement before getting dropped.  I'd be curious to see more of him.
Title: Shocking development-- Diaz a stoner
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 09, 2012, 06:54:09 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bdWjP?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=mma
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Sebresos on February 16, 2012, 09:48:20 AM
Diaz always finds a way to self destruct. Thats his specialty. Besides does anyone really care about a rematch. IMHO the UFC is putting out way to many mediocre fight cards. Quantity over quality seems to be their business plan. I haven't been excited for one of their fight cards in a long time.
Title: Bones Jones vs. Rashad Evans
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 02, 2012, 02:30:24 PM
Comments?  Predictions?
Title: Thrusting kicks to the knee
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 15, 2012, 03:55:36 AM
Question: 

Do the rules in MMA allowing thrusting kicks (side kicks, teeps, stomp kicks) at the knee?

Thank you,
CD
Title: Paralysis from takedowns while in guillotine
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 08, 2012, 09:41:02 PM
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/404916/Another-fighter-paralysed-from-in-guillotine-takedown/
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 14, 2012, 06:15:06 PM
What happened in last night's UFC?
Title: Inodnesian MMA
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 22, 2012, 09:22:17 AM


The reporter is something of an idiot, but there are some good fotos covering an MMA event in Indonesia:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2221018/Pencak-Dor-Fighters-beating-holds-barred-martial-arts-contest.html
Title: KO - Rich Franklin x Cung Le - UFC on FUEL 6 (Macau) 11/10/12
Post by: Stickgrappler on November 11, 2012, 09:29:34 PM

I like both fighters - Franklin and Le. Hate to see either one lose. Sad to see a fighter of Franklin's experience/caliber to neglect a BASIC - HANDS UP!

 

I only had time to make a gif of the KO from the realtime footage...sometime later tomorrow night, will make gif's of the KO from the slowmo footage and edit into this entry.

 

(http://i.imgur.com/A5xaq.gif)


 

My friend Joe Silvia (aka Ausgepicht. is a MMA coach) is always ranting how coaches and fighters don't set up their low round kicks with the hands. Ace paid the price.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 11, 2012, 09:32:02 PM
That was about the fourth one of those kicks that Rich landed too.  One suspects CL spotted the lazy hand. 

Other than this I thought Rich was moving rather well and CL looking a bit thick in the waist.
Title: UFC 154 - GSP X Carlos Condit
Post by: Stickgrappler on November 19, 2012, 05:27:40 AM
Some gif's I made of the UFC 154 -  GSP X Carlos Condit fight from this past Saturday:

Round 1

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IHaCoOwyyZg/UKnS6jZ8U7I/AAAAAAAAAlA/rYC3FnbEmg0/s1600/ufc154-gsp-condit-rd1-3rdhighlight-elbow-2views-halved-400-sg.gif)

Round 2

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-T-VnF4oc0BY/UKnUKXd8dNI/AAAAAAAAAlI/lc2PtlUlFQY/s1600/ufc154-gsp-condit-rd2-1sthighlightb4takedown-halved-400-sg.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/rOHAv.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/I6ymg.gif)

Round 3

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SKrcVAYugBk/UKnSYgHVxQI/AAAAAAAAAk4/aB20KfTGWjs/s1600/ufc154-gsp-condit-rd3-CONDIT-halved2x-400-3rd-sg.gif)
Title: 3 more UFC 154 - GSP X Condit GIF's
Post by: Stickgrappler on November 19, 2012, 10:36:17 PM
call me silly i liked these 2 kicks - bad setup... GSP wasn't fooled... but i liked them

(http://i.imgur.com/Fw0aV.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/qLZL7.gif)




Rd 3 after Condit's combo which knocked down GSP, GSP replies later with this takedown after he sets it up with a few punches

(http://i.imgur.com/T8XFt.gif)
Title: Matt Brown KO of Mike Swick from UFC on Fox 5
Post by: Stickgrappler on December 12, 2012, 11:16:10 AM
I made 3 GIF’s of the Matt Brown KO of Mike Swick from UFC on Fox 5 and posted them to my site
 
http://www.stickgrappler.net/2Matt Brown KO of Mike Swick from UFC on Fox 5 and posted them to my site
 012/12/mma-3-gifs-i-made-from-ufc-on-fox-5.html
 
 
Reposting here:
 
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HKVOuzY-Kn0/UMgWj3QEOcI/AAAAAAAAApw/OIz8IpzfIaQ/s1600/UFC+on+Fox+5-Brown+KO%27s+Swick-1-400-sg.gif)
 
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--SYiTrFBfa8/UMgW4Ffk6FI/AAAAAAAAAp4/ruwxnL1XEsI/s1600/UFC+on+Fox+5-Brown+KO%27s+Swick-2-400-sg.gif)
 
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Jgn7ozKjYq0/UMgXHlyX8VI/AAAAAAAAAqA/2Uo_S9Pfv4w/s1600/UFC+on+Fox+5-Brown+KO%27s+Swick-3-400-sg.gif)
 
Enjoy!
Title: POTH: UFC vs. Bellator
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 19, 2013, 08:56:09 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/business/media/cage-fightings-popularity-has-media-giants-in-a-slugfest.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&sq&st=nyt&scp=1

BEYOND the pinging slot machines and the felt-topped card tables at the Caesars casino here, inside a steel cage built for maximum pain, Darrell Horcher is slipping a triangle choke hold on Chris Liguori.
Fists land — left jabs, right crosses, quick combinations to jaws and abdomens. Knees sock solar plexuses. Hands claw faces. Bodies smack and thud. From the crowd, the refrain goes up: “That’s got to hurt!” After three rounds, Mr. Liguori is bleeding from his right eye. On this chilly December night, the decision is unanimous: Mr. Horcher is the winner.

So it goes in the Ramboesque world of cage fighting, more politely known as mixed martial arts. In this hugely popular — not to mention lucrative — sport, fighters employ agonizing moves like the “modified guillotine” and the “bicep slicer” as they punch, kick, knee and choke each other into submission.

But it’s got nothing on Hollywood. In fact, two media heavyweights are locked in a smackdown of their own over the future of this sport, which Senator John McCain has likened to human cockfighting.
In one corner is Ari Emanuel, the Hollywood superagent who represents the Ultimate Fighting Championship, the premier cage-fighting league. In the other corner is Philippe P. Dauman, the urbane chief executive of the media conglomerate Viacom.

From 2005 to 2011, the U.F.C. was shown on Spike, a Viacom channel, where it became a ratings powerhouse. Then, in 2011, in renegotiating the U.F.C.’s deal, Mr. Emanuel asked for a 50 percent fee increase and made other demands. When Viacom balked, the U.F.C. struck a $700 million, seven-year deal with Fox Sports to show its fights on Fox, FX and Fuel, all owned by News Corporation.
But Mr. Dauman counterpunched, and Viacom decided to enter the fight business itself. In fall 2011, the company paid around $50 million for a majority stake in Bellator Fighting Championships, according to people with knowledge of the deal who did not want to be identified discussing internal company business.

That Viacom, home of Paramount Pictures, MTV and SpongeBob SquarePants, now owns a gritty league of muscled gladiators — who travel the country fighting in a 710-square-foot circular cage — speaks to the fierce battle for live sports rights. In the DVR age, networks desperately want to hang on to live viewership.

BUT it also demonstrates the evolution of cage fighting, which has grown in the past decade from a fringe spectacle banned in many states to one of the fastest-growing sports properties on TV. Mixed martial arts dates back to the ancient Greek Olympic sport of pankration (or “all powers”) that emerged circa 648 B.C. It allowed fighters to use a blend of fighting styles, though biting and gouging out an opponent’s eyes were outlawed. In modern times, mixed martial arts largely evolved from a Brazilian combat sport known as vale tudo (Portuguese for “anything goes”) popularized in the 1920s.
In the 1960s, Bruce Lee, the actor who has been called the father of mixed martial arts, drew big audiences to fighting that used a variety of disciplines. But the sport didn’t take off in the United States until the 1990s, when a prominent Brazilian family helped found the U.F.C. and began promoting nationwide fights.

The current sport allows fighters to use a hybrid of disciplines including Brazilian jujitsu, kickboxing, karate, taekwondo, judo and Greco-Roman wrestling. It is fought in a cage “because a fighter may find himself pressed up against the fence, but he won’t fall out,” according to the U.F.C.

Once almost a free-form bloodfest, M.M.A., as the sport is known, now comes with a strict set of rules enforced on a state-by-state basis (no hair-pulling, kicks “to the kidney with a heel” or “twisting the flesh”) and a standard of three rounds of five minutes each, or five rounds of five minutes each for championship title fights.

Last May, New York lawmakers maintained the state’s ban on mixed martial arts, leaving it one of the few states that do not sanction the sport. Adherents say that M.M.A. is safer than boxing because fighters aren’t allowed to get up after a knockout, and that the freer form means combatants don’t endure as many blows to the head.

In Atlantic City on Dec. 7, Bellator workers spent 19 hours transforming the Caesar’s ballroom, with its gaudy carpet and a cash bar, into a place that feels like a secret, exclusive fight club. “I think they had a bar mitzvah here last night,” joked Bjorn Rebney, a 6-foot-3 former college football player who is founder and chief executive of Bellator.

Most of the fans had received $52 to $165 tickets free, a casino perk offered to high rollers along with a Polynesian-themed circus and all-you-can-eat buffet coupons. Just past $10 blackjack tables, Mike Wessel, a hulking, tattooed heavyweight called “the Juggernaut,” defeated a Belarussian in a grueling five-minute round. In a later bout, the bantamweight favorite Zach Makovsky put his opponent in a “modified guillotine,” a type of front headlock.

On this night, the fighters, most of whom came from towns in New Jersey or Pennsylvania, brought cheering sections of friends and family. Most of the fighters received $3,000 each to show up and an additional $3,000 for winning.

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The money didn’t look like enough in Bout 7, when a sweaty Mr. Horcher, a 154-pounder from Shermans Dale, Pa., bested Mr. Liguori, of Toms River, N.J. But the thump of the fighters hitting the mat with each body slam echoed through the strobe-lit room and energized the crowd, made up mostly of men. Fighters often stayed on the mat for several minutes using wrestling moves, prompting the crowd to stand up to see who was choking whom. (Hint: the combatant on the bottom was often winning.)

Bjorn Rebney is chief executive of Bellator, a league in which Viacom now has a majority interest.

A contingent of fans let out a chant of “Jersey strong!” when local fighters entered the ballroom under pulsating lights. But the 1,100 banquet chairs did not fill up until the final bouts, when fans took a break from the casino floor where cocktail waitresses served free drinks. During the bouts, the handful of women in the crowd mixed some cringes with their cheers.
Sitting at cageside, Kevin Kay, the president of Spike — who estimates that he has attended more than 400 fights — is talking over loud rock music to Mr. Rebney about getting Bellator ready for prime time. They agree, for one thing, that Bellator has to discover its own fighters. “We don’t want to be picking up rejects from the U.F.C., because there’s a reason they’re leaving,” Mr. Kay says later. “Either they weren’t a fan favorite or they weren’t making money. You have to build your own talent up.”

As they look around the converted ballroom, they discuss bigger locations that would look better on television. (The Atlantic City fights were broadcast only on MTV2 and on Spike.com as practice for the Spike premiere in January. Those fights took place at the 5,000-seat Bren Events Center in Irvine, Calif. and were watched by 938,000 viewers on Spike. Later, Mr. Kay said, “We’ve saved up to make sure we’re in the right kinds of venues. There are no ballrooms on Spike.”)

Outside, in the casino parking garage, a traveling circus of Bellator-branded 18-wheelers is packed with men who travel to each location and work as sound editors and producers, putting the final touches on the bouts and cutting highlights for online broadcasts and television replays. Viacom has provided additional television staff members, experts at making combat sports look good on TV.
Unlike Dana White, the U.F.C. president, who has become a constant presence inseparable from the league’s brand, Mr. Rebney plans to maintain a more distant role as Bellator’s C.E.O. Still, several fans called out for photographs and autographs from Mr. Rebney, whose black suit seemed the unofficial uniform of the evening’s V.I.P.’s.

THE new league, renamed Bellator M.M.A., certainly has not stopped the bad blood between the U.F.C. and Viacom. Mr. Dauman of Viacom says that “in airing U.F.C. fights and reality shows, Spike really built U.F.C. from almost nothing.”

Mr. White, the outspoken president of the U.F.C., calls Mr. Dauman’s characterization “the most pompous, arrogant thing to come out of someone’s mouth.” He adds, “Everybody thinks they can buy a cage and do what we do.”

Founded in 1993, the U.F.C. is widely credited with bringing sanctioned mixed martial arts to the United States. The league, owned by Zuffa L.L.C., based in Las Vegas, struggled for years to broker a television deal. Finally, in 2005, Mr. White says, the U.F.C. paid $10 million to produce “The Ultimate Fighter,” a reality series that follows mixed martial arts fighters living and training together in Las Vegas, and gave the show to Spike, a Viacom channel aimed at men. The Season 1 finale featured the first U.F.C. fight broadcast on Spike.

There, the U.F.C. became a surprise hit and led to other shows based on mixed martial arts, including “U.F.C. Unleashed,” that filled much of Spike’s schedule, along with reality series like “Bar Rescue” and “Tattoo Nightmares.”

Today, the U.F.C. is shown in 145 countries and territories in 28 languages and by Zuffa L.L.C.’s estimate is worth around $2 billion, roughly the same price a group of investors recently paid for the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Part of what draws media companies to mixed martial arts is the sport’s allure to what marketers call “superconsumers,” or men aged 18 to 34 who watch sports but are otherwise tough for advertisers to reach.

“It’s one of the few sports that still has amazing growth in the really core, young demo,” says Eric Shanks, co-president and executive producer of the Fox Sports Media Group. “It really is a cliché, but it’s one of those sports that crosses over into being a lifestyle.”

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UNLIKE many of its media competitors, Viacom does not own a sports network or pay heavily to program sports on its cable channels. During negotiations, which started in mid-2011 and were largely led by Mr. Emanuel, Mr. White and Thomas E. Dooley, Viacom’s chief operating officer, Viacom began to consider looking for an alternative.

After the Hollywood superagent Ari Emanuel switched the U.F.C. league to Fox from Spike, Viacom bought control of a rival league, Bellator.

As the U.F.C. gained attention on Spike, competing mixed martial arts leagues started to pop up. “It was like there was a new juicer and suddenly you saw 100 different types of juicers,” Mr. Rebney says.
Named after a Latin word for warrior, Bellator began in 2008. Mr. Rebney, a former Ohio University running back and boxing promoter, took out a second mortgage on his house in the Brentwood district of Los Angeles to start the league. It now has 175 fighters and seven 18-wheelers that travel the country.

A publicist for Spike says the audience for mixed martial arts is more heavily college-educated and female than stereotypes suggest, making it especially appealing for all types of advertisers.
“Sixty-four percent of M.M.A. fans are college-educated. That’s a four-year college,” Mr. Rebney says as the crowd trickles into the ballroom at Caesars. “It’s wealthy guys showing off to their girlfriends.”

Despite the statistics, the fans at Caesars that night were almost all men, and did not particularly ooze affluence: there were lots of cutoff T-shirts, acid-washed jeans and high fives. Mr. Dauman, ranked as the nation’s highest-paid C.E.O. in 2011 and known for his custom-tailored clothes and Hermès cuff links, has not yet attended a fight.

Mr. Rebney, a disciple of the sports agent (and “Jerry Maguire” inspiration) Leigh Steinberg, previously worked as agent for the boxer Oscar De La Hoya, helping to broker his TV and sponsorship deals.

Mr. Rebney approached Spike in mid-2011 when he heard through the M.M.A. rumor mill that the U.F.C. might not renew its contract.

“I saw the writing on the wall and started setting up meetings,” he says.

As talks soured between Mr. Emanuel, the U.F.C. and Viacom, Mr. Dauman and Mr. Dooley approved the purchase of Bellator. A person involved in the negotiations said the U.F.C., in addition to the rights increase, had wanted to own a 50 percent equity stake in Spike and to maintain too much control over which fights the league broadcast on pay-per-view. Under the Fox deal, the U.F.C. still gives its biggest fights to pay-per-view first.

Mr. Dauman saw other benefits in owning a league outright, like profiting from pay-per-view, digital and international broadcasts, Bellator action figures and perhaps someday casting a Paramount film with Bellator fighters, for example.

“You have to ask yourself, what can we afford and what is the return on investment?” Mr. Kay says. He emphasized the importance of ancillary revenue that comes from owning Bellator outright. “If you don’t have the back end and are building someone else’s business, you see the end coming,” he says.

Mr. White says he preferred to take the U.F.C. to Fox because “it’s a real sports network with N.F.L., Nascar, and this is what they do.”

Mr. Emanuel declined to comment. Mr. Dauman said: “I personally have a lot of respect for Dana White” and “as far as I’m concerned there’s no bitterness at all.” Viacom has flooded the airwaves with ads for Bellator, broadcast during U.F.C. fights on Fox’s local television stations. In the ads, Bellator fighters poetically suit up to the song “I’m Coming Home.”

“We have enormous respect for the U.F.C. and now we will compete with them head-to-head,” says Doug Herzog, president of the Viacom Entertainment Group.

Mr. White praised his working relationship with Mr. Herzog, whom he calls “a stud.” But he says the idea of Bellator competing with the U.F.C. “is like saying the local high school football team is going up against the N.F.L.”

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Business is brutal in the fight world, and in recent years many of the start-up mixed martial arts leagues that were intended to compete with the U.F.C. have disappeared or been acquired. In 2011, Zuffa bought Strikeforce, a rival league that had fleeting television deals with Showtime and NBC.

“We got into this 14 years ago because we fell in love with the sport and the athletes and we had a plan and a vision,” Mr. White says. “These other guys just think it looks like a fun business for guys. Sure, if you love losing money and burning cash, it’s so fun.”

Bellator has fared better than most U.F.C. competitors, building a loyal audience and a stable of fighters who compete tournament-style.

In Atlantic City, Mr. Rebney is schmoozing at cageside with network executives and advertisers. He has a shaved head and a couple of days’ worth of stubble and wears a black-on-black suit to every fight.

“I have a suitcase full of them,” he says.

Now that Viacom is in the fight business, advertisers can put their logos on the arena and the $4,000 mat that lines the cage. (The mat, blood-spattered by the end of an event, is replaced each night.) Mr. Rebney says that he knows Bellator is the underdog, but that he hopes that viewers will watch because of the tournament format, which will spotlight fighters and their often tear-jerking back stories.

“We’re athlete-focused,” Mr. Rebney says. “People tune in to see superstars, not the brand.”

THE main attraction on this night was set to be Rad Martinez, 34, a featherweight who became an Internet sensation after he was featured in a heart-wrenching ESPN segment about fighting so that he could take care of his paraplegic father. He ended up sitting out the fight after his opponent contracted food poisoning.

Before the only female matchup, in a video broadcast to the crowd, Zoila Gurgel says of her opponent, Jessica Eye: “There’s no one I want to hurt more than her.” Ms. Eye, 26, with braids and a wide smile, had been hit by a car years earlier and thought she’d never walk again. She choked Ms. Gurgel temporarily unconscious and won the fight in 58 seconds

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 23, 2013, 10:01:21 PM
Not the most exciting fight, but I thought Lyoto the clear winner tonight; hard to understand how one judge could have scored it for Hendo.

If Carmouche had studied RCSFg #5 she might have known what to do against Rousey's kisakatame (sp?)  :lol:
Title: Is she or isn't he?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 06, 2013, 06:17:51 PM


http://scifighting.com/fallon-fox-transgender-mma-fighter/?fb_source=pubv1
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on March 18, 2013, 11:16:12 AM
Albeit belatedly I made two gifs last night

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DIGN1FeKlhY/UUajo3ke0BI/AAAAAAAAByA/zEjbTc-E4bE/s1600/TUFS17E03-UriahHallXAdamCella-KO-raw-optimized-400-1-sg.gif)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Zy0IL8i7o48/UUalInvcrfI/AAAAAAAAByM/CuKil3OTtAY/s1600/TUFS17E03-UriahHallXAdamCella-KO2a-400-sg.gif)

This seasons TUF episode 3

Uriah Hall KO'd Adam Cella with vicious/nasty spinning heel kick
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 18, 2013, 04:42:31 PM
I got my right ulna broken by that kick in 1982 at the Kali Academy.

I liked that the fighter here was concerned for the fallen opponent; it was a very, very bad KO.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on March 19, 2013, 10:01:18 PM
I got my right ulna broken by that kick in 1982 at the Kali Academy.

I liked that the fighter here was concerned for the fallen opponent; it was a very, very bad KO.

Woof Guro C,

Wow about your ulna. Powerful kick

Yeah, Uriah Hall did his celebratory thing but he didn't realize the extent of damage he caused. Once he saw he was super-concerned.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 19, 2013, 10:41:57 PM
I finished the round, and then sat down.  Vunak, whose class it was, asked why I was sitting. 

"My arm hurts; I think I may have a bone bruise."

"Pussy."

"I think I'll get it x-rayed on the way home."

"Pussy."

My car was a standard at the time, and the injured arm was my right, so shifting gears was a goodly trick

The X-ray showed a clean break.

My Chinese girlfriend took me to Monterrey Park to a Chinese Medicine doctor who mixed up a brew of twigs, bark, mud, etc. and my girlfriend put it in a weird clay pot and brewed up a really vile smelling tea-- which really helped the rate of my healing.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: KenL on March 20, 2013, 05:05:41 PM
Wow, nice execution.

It almost looks like Cella saw the kick coming and started to turn into to it to try a double block with his arms.

And Guro Crafty, I had to drive a manual transmission with my right arm in a cast before. Not fun. Lots of steering with knees and reaching over with the left hand. Glad you got the x-ray though.
Title: "It" is a girl!
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 04, 2013, 05:11:32 PM
http://www.bjpenn.com/transgender-fox-cleared-to-fight-by-florida-commission-for-cfa-mma-news/
Title: Re: "It" is a girl!
Post by: G M on April 10, 2013, 10:41:31 AM
http://www.bjpenn.com/transgender-fox-cleared-to-fight-by-florida-commission-for-cfa-mma-news/

 :roll:
Title: TUF Uriah Hall vs Ronda Rousey
Post by: Stickgrappler on April 12, 2013, 11:47:01 AM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxRAvJKHdXA[/youtube]

Lifetime of judo + chain wrestling = smooth/sick armbars
Title: WSJ: Albany's ultimate dirty fighters
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 26, 2013, 06:46:10 AM
REVIEW & OUTLOOK
April 25, 2013, 7:22 p.m. ET.
Albany's Ultimate Dirty Fighters
A case study in New York and Las Vegas union politics..


The Ultimate Fighting Championship is known for its mix of "karate, jiu-jitsu, boxing, kickboxing, grappling, wrestling, sumo and other combat sports," played in an "Octagon" cage between two impressively muscled fighters who win by "knockout, submission or decision." None of that has prepared UFC executives for the eye-gouges and below-the-belt punches of New York politics.

Millions of Americans know UFC's mixed-martial arts from television and matches in arenas across the 48 states where its fights are legal. The sport has grown in popularity, especially among young men, and its events bring in hundreds of millions of dollars a year in revenue and other economic activity. But the sport—which is heavily regulated by state athletic commissions—remains illegal in Connecticut and New York. The reason? Union politics in Nevada, of all places.

 
Ultimate Fighting Championship CEO Lorenzo Fertitta on how and why Assembly speaker Sheldon Silver is stopping Ultimate Fighting Championship from coming to New York.

The Culinary Workers Union Local 226 of Las Vegas, which represents hotel and restaurant workers, has a long-standing vendetta against UFC CEO Lorenzo Fertitta because he and his brother Frank run casinos and hotels that aren't unionized. The union hasn't dared to run an organizing election on one of the Fertitta properties. But the union is still trying to leverage its political clout to stop UFC expansion wherever it can.

Enter Sheldon Silver, the boss of New York politics. Democrats dominate the state Assembly, and Mr. Silver of lower Manhattan dominates his fellow Democrats. He's been Speaker since 1994, and he's refused even to allow a vote on a bill to legalize mixed-martial arts in the state.

The bill has passed the state Senate four years in a row only to be bottled up each time by Mr. Silver. Assembly Majority Leader Joseph Morelle is the bill's lead supporter and he has 63 co-sponsors out of 150 members. But even he can't get a vote past Mr. Silver, who won't explain his opposition.

UFC has tried to work behind the scenes, but it has more or less been told that the price of getting into New York is to bow to the culinary union. Specifically, the union wants the Fertitta brothers to declare their neutrality in any election and let the union onto their properties to organize via a non-secret "card check" tally. That means potentially subjecting employees to union intimidation, and the Fertittas have understandably refused.

The culinary workers have launched websites attacking UFC, picketed UFC sponsors such as MetroPCS PCS +4.18%and sent letters denouncing the company to teachers at Bishop Gorman High School, where the Fertitta kids attend classes. The union has also complained to the Federal Trade Commission, which launched an antitrust investigation of UFC's parent company, Zuffa, in 2011 for an acquisition of a competing promoter, before dropping the case less than a year later.

Meanwhile, Mr. Silver's obstinance is costing the New York economy, which could benefit from as many as 50 bouts a year. UFC estimates that only two fights, in Manhattan's Madison Square Garden and Buffalo's HSBC HSBA.LN +0.67%Arena, could generate as much as $16 million in business for the Empire State. The economically bereft upstate could use the jobs in particular.

Governor Andrew Cuomo has made supporting noises about UFC's request to enter the state, but as usual he refuses to take on a union, much less Mr. Silver. So it goes in New York, which desperately needs jobs but where union political extortion is nastier than anything you'll ever see in the Octagon.
Title: UFC 159 - Roy Nelson vs Cheick Kongo
Post by: Stickgrappler on April 27, 2013, 10:23:10 PM
http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/04/ufc-159-roy-nelson-vs-cheick-kongo.html

UFC 159 - Roy Nelson vs Cheick Kongo

I made an animated GIF - for those that haven't watched the fight yet and hate SPOILERS, DON'T check out the link ;-)
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 28, 2013, 03:42:59 PM
 8-) 8-) 8-)

Jones continues to show himself to be an intelligent fighter and not just one a result of unusual physical gifts.

Sonnen continues to show himself to be an unusual blend of qualities, some of them surprisingly likable.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: bigdog on April 28, 2013, 05:56:32 PM
And some point, Bones needs to get his due in the "best fighter pound for pound" discussion.
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 28, 2013, 06:06:08 PM
Agreed.

Title: Tito's tweet
Post by: bigdog on April 30, 2013, 04:13:38 AM
I guess I could put this under humor/wtf:

http://www.bjpenn.com/tito-ortiz-wants-to-unretire-to-stop-jon-jones-from-breaking-his-record/
Title: Re: Tito's tweet
Post by: Stickgrappler on April 30, 2013, 10:53:04 AM
I guess I could put this under humor/wtf:

http://www.bjpenn.com/tito-ortiz-wants-to-unretire-to-stop-jon-jones-from-breaking-his-record/

Lololol
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on April 30, 2013, 10:53:48 AM
Roy Nelson x Cheik Kongo
 
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-u_seCzhvGSk/UX9TBaNVIcI/AAAAAAAACHI/BgnxTTHco7A/s1600/ufc159-roynelson-replay-400-2-sg.gif)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ceJz02BN-Ik/UX9TYdRu7PI/AAAAAAAACHY/hwbGs2HT0cM/s1600/ufc159-roynelson-replay-400-3-sg.gif)

 
 
 
2 more GIF's here - http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/04/ufc-159-roy-nelson-vs-cheick-kongo_30.htm
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on April 30, 2013, 10:56:59 AM
Michael Bisping x Alan Belcher
 
 
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RJW9uL8ozSk/UX9XsKBjznI/AAAAAAAACH4/_Degg8NvE3w/s1600/ufc.159.bisping.belcher-1-1-2-400-sg.gif)

 
 
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--qxnpy07MNo/UX9Xgu5FLWI/AAAAAAAACHo/qKKqKjGvBgk/s1600/ufc.159.bisping.belcher-3-1-1-2-400-sg.gif)

 
 
 
2 more GIF's here - http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/04/ufc-159-michael-bisping-vs-alan-belcher.html
 
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on April 30, 2013, 10:58:37 AM
Didn't have time to make more and didn't post to my site... check out this throw.
 
Jim Miller x Pat Healy
 
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cxxLX2R-q7w/UX9aEVMwWXI/AAAAAAAACIQ/wx63TxfFxR4/s72-c/ufc159.jim.miller.pat.healey.rd1-throw-400-sg.gif)
Title: Newsday: Matt Serra, former UFC champ, 'walking away' from MMA
Post by: Stickgrappler on May 22, 2013, 01:11:00 PM
Newsday: Matt Serra, former UFC champ, 'walking away' from MMA
2013-05-22 19:51:57.957 GMT


By Mark La Monica
Newsday
    May 22--Matt Serra felt pain while sitting in the corner
during an MMA fight. Nothing unusual for the lifelong fighter,
except for one unique distinction this time: he wasn't the one
fighting.
    Instead, the former UFC welterweight champion from East
Meadow was cornering one of his fighters at Ring of Combat in
Atlantic City on April 5. It was a pain that would put Serra in
the emergency room for four days, lead to the surgical removal
of one of his ribs and now, cause his exit from mixed martial
arts competition.
    "It's hard to say it," Serra told Newsday. "It's like you
can't say it, even though it probably is true. I would love to
put closure on my career with one last fight at the Garden, but
at the same time, if that doesn't happen, I definitely consider
myself done. It's hard to say the 'R word.' I might never say
the 'R word.'"
    That thrill of fight night, when the adrenaline pumps
through the veins, the fans scream and invincibility consumes
the brain and body -- putting that in the past is never easy.
Not for Serra, the only man on the planet to knock out Georges
St-Pierre in a pro fight. Not for many athletes, regardless of
sport.
    "I really think I'm walking away," he said. "I'm going to
be 39, I just had my rib taken out. I'm having my third kid. My
schools are doing well. What am I doing, looking for another
pay day? It's not really for that. I mean, it doesn't stink,
but it's not really for that. Am I still trying to hold on for
the glory? Glory is a drug, dude. I'm telling you, that's the
problem. It really is. I know why guys can't walk away. I
absolutely get it."
    Serra had always contemplated one more fight, but the
ordeal of the past six weeks has forced him to face a new
reality.
    Serra first felt pain in his left arm after a Brazilian
Jiu-Jitsu training session at one of his academies two days
before the Ring of Combat event. He figured he had just pulled
a muscle.
    He came home to Massapequa after the fights. The pain
never left. It intensified. Serra couldn't bend his arm. He
couldn't lift his hand to touch his neck. He got out of bed
around 2 a.m. and drove to the emergency room at Winthrop
University Hospital in Mineola. Tests revealed two blood clots
in his arm and another in his lungs.
    "Then I got freaked out," Serra said. "You don't catch
that [and] after the lung, that stops your heart or your brain.
Then you're done. I'm very fortunate to, basically, be here.
Sounds kind of morbid. If I didn't catch that -- I was about to
go to bed. I'm like, man, something's not feeling right."
    Serra was put on blood thinners to address the clot in his
lungs. He must now inject himself in the stomach with Lovenox,
an anticoagulant, every day for the next three months.
    The clots in his arm created a significant health issue as
well. Serra's collarbone and first rib were compressing a blood
vessel and restricting blood flow, a condition known as
thoracic outlet syndrome. Serra had the first rib on his left
side removed in early May, a procedure performed by Dr. George
Hines, chief of vascular surgery at Winthrop. Hines estimated
that Winthrop does about six of these surgeries a year.
    "It's like taking out the floor of the whole area," Hines
said. "You remove the rib and everything drops into place."
    The procedure can take up to two hours to complete, and
patients typically return home the following day.
    "They had to cut me open through my armpit and cut through
whatever they had to cut through and get my rib out," Serra
said. "It's definitely strange and I'm feeling it in there."
    Doctors told Serra he would need six to eight weeks just
to recover from the rib removal. A month or so after that,
Serra is expected to no longer need to take blood thinners and
can resume active jiu-jitsu teaching and training.
    "I need my jiu-jitsu, man," Serra said. "I don't need to
spar. I don't need to kickbox or box every day. Even if you see
me with some pasta, I'm still strangling and arm-locking people
at least five days a week and I need that."
    Serra could not bring himself to actually say the word
"retire," but his active MMA career is essentially over. Serra
(17-7, 7-7 UFC) last fought Sept. 25, 2010, a
unanimous-decision loss to Chris Lytle at UFC 119. He turns 39
next month and doesn't want to be one of those athletes who
hangs around too long.
    "An aging fighter?" Serra said. "You know, it's like an
aging stripper, but not as funny. Not a lot of people want to
see that."
    The biggest moment of Serra's career also serves as one of
the greatest upsets in UFC and MMA history. On the night of
April 7, 2007, inside the Toyota Center in Houston, Texas,
Serra did the unthinkable. A 9-1 underdog, Serra took
St-Pierre's welterweight title with a first-round knockout.
    St-Pierre has since credited Serra with helping him become
the fighter he is now, one who beat Serra in the rematch and
has eight straight title defenses, second best in UFC history
behind Anderson Silva's 10.
    Serra earned that title shot by winning Season 4 of "The
Ultimate Fighter." That comeback season, the only one in the
show's history, featured fighters who had competed in the UFC
but never won a title.
    "I know I can be beat by some of these guys, but I know I
can still knock some of these guys out and be a threat on the
ground," said Serra, the first American to earn a black belt
under Renzo Gracie. "But at the same time, it used to be that
the thing that made me happiest was the next fight. Now, I
whistle to work going to my schools. I love hanging out with my
kids, my family. That's something you never really anticipate
or understand it until you have a family. I love spending time
with my girls. I'm a very involved dad."
    Serra runs successful BJJ academies in Levittown and
Huntington and recently opened a third in Bayside. He is also
working to create affiliate Serra BJJ schools across the
country, a system where those who earned their black belts
under him would open academies under the Serra BJJ flag.
    Serra and his wife, Ann, have two daughters with a third
due in June. Angelina is 4, Maria is 2.
    "Angelina is already arm-locking me, and I have her
teaching Maria," Serra said. "They're doing it on the teddy
bears. It's awesome."
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 28, 2013, 04:12:21 PM
What happened in the UFC this past weekend?  No news down here in Argentina , , ,
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: darvis on May 28, 2013, 10:12:57 PM
Do you really want to know?  Spoiler Alert for UFC 160 results! Cerrone def. Noons via unanimous decision (wasn't even close), Grant def. Maynard via TKO (punches) early in rd 1(Grant #1 contender to face Henderson), Texiera def. Te Huna via submission (guillotine) in rd1, JDS def. Hunt by KO (wheelkick! follow by right hand on ground (AWESOME KO) in 3rd rd), Cain def. Silva via TKO in rd 1 (beautiful 1-2 combo followed by ground n pound from sideride position.  Great maincard!  On side note Forrest Griffin retires from UFC.
Title: UFC 160 - Junior Dos Santos X Mark Hunt
Post by: Stickgrappler on May 30, 2013, 07:57:18 PM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LiANirAgXLA/UabpfUzWfhI/AAAAAAAACb8/iaOp6PmOYFQ/s1600/UFC160-JDSXMarkHunt-Rd1-Slomo-2-400-sg.gif)

5 more animated GIFs I made from Rounds 1-2 here:

http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/05/ufc-160-junior-dos-santos-x-mark-hunt.html



(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-68ZE_xoCElc/Uabw83eUCyI/AAAAAAAACc0/bp7YTN7gtLc/s1600/UFC160-JDSXMarkHunt-Rd3-2a-realtime-side-KO-400-sg.gif)

4 more animated GIF's I made from Round 3 here:

http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/05/ufc-160-junior-dos-santos-x-mark-hunt_30.html

Enjoy!
Title: UFC 160 - Cain Velasquez vs Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva
Post by: Stickgrappler on May 31, 2013, 09:21:45 AM


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hBljkjDmOYE/UaiUFkZJSzI/AAAAAAAACfA/CmKRpmXwxLk/s1600/UFC160-CainXBigfoot-realtime-400-sg.gif)



I made three more GIFs here:

http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/05/ufc-160-cain-velasquez-vs-antonio.html

Enjoy!
Title: UFC 161 - Roy Nelson vs Stipe Miocic
Post by: Stickgrappler on June 18, 2013, 09:45:22 AM
Woof:

*bows deeply*

I made 15 animated GIFs. Enjoy!

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-I5KF365p4M4/UcBS6NcJx4I/AAAAAAAACps/SE2HIDM1U4g/s1600/UFC161-NelsonXStipe-rd1-missedoverhandright-slowed-400-sg.gif)

3 more GIFs here:
http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/06/ufc-161-roy-nelson-x-stipe-miocic-rd-1.html


(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-28TxvllbxMs/UcBU0WeTgcI/AAAAAAAACp8/vyn6b1vBXec/s1600/UFC161-NelsonXStipe-rd1-stipe-allhim-2-400-sg.gif)

5 more here
http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/06/ufc-161-roy-nelson-x-stipe-miocic-rd-1_18.html



(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ns8_DAUits0/Ub_3DKhXOOI/AAAAAAAACow/CfyXq9oWV9c/s1600/UFC161-NelsonXStipe-rd2-slowmo-1-400-sg.gif)

4 more here:

http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/06/ufc-161-roy-nelson-x-stipe-miocic-rds-2.html

-sg
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 18, 2013, 12:03:21 PM
I am reminded of Joe Rogan's comment that Big Country is a light heavyweight who likes to eat.  I'm thinking he could do a lot better in the LH division , , ,  :-D
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on June 19, 2013, 09:54:28 AM
I am reminded of Joe Rogan's comment that Big Country is a light heavyweight who likes to eat.  I'm thinking he could do a lot better in the LH division , , ,  :-D

LOL

I just found out he took the fight on short notice so perhaps that was a major factor

Title: UFC 161 - Pat Barry vs Shawn Jordan
Post by: Stickgrappler on June 19, 2013, 09:45:00 PM
UFC 161 - Pat Barry vs Shawn Jordan

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uGzpMJkSbFQ/UcE8cCwdBrI/AAAAAAAACrI/VXgFqo1F0DM/s1600/UFC161-PatBarryXShawnJordan-400-sg.gif)

4 more GIFs here (including a Wing Chun Pak Da in isolation - going to post in the Trapping thread)
http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/06/ufc-161-pat-barry-x-shawn-jordan.html (http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/06/ufc-161-pat-barry-x-shawn-jordan.html)


Here's a fun GIF of Pat Barry

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-W1Isv0Adpyw/UcFFRJH1SBI/AAAAAAAACsQ/EZEGDirlEXA/s1600/UFC161-PatBarryXShawnJordan-SpitIntoShorts-400-sg.gif)

Shawn Jordan's fun celebration GIF here
http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/06/ufc-161-pat-barry-x-shawn-jordan-2-fun.html (http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/06/ufc-161-pat-barry-x-shawn-jordan-2-fun.html)

Title: UFC 161 - Rashad Evans vs Dan Henderson
Post by: Stickgrappler on June 19, 2013, 09:45:56 PM
UFC 161 - Rashad Evans vs Dan Henderson


Henderson's stiff jab
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zNxd8kS580Y/UcFCwbMkpeI/AAAAAAAACro/6UeB3pdHNfg/s1600/UFC161-RashadEvansXDanHenderson-Rd1-slomo-400-sg.gif)

3 more GIFs here
http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/06/ufc-161-rashad-evans-x-dan-henderson.html (http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/06/ufc-161-rashad-evans-x-dan-henderson.html)

Title: Riddick Bowe tries Muay Thai
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 21, 2013, 08:27:06 PM


http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/9386875/ex-boxing-champ-riddick-bowe-punished-mma-debut

ATTAYA, Thailand -- Riddick Bowe now understands why people warned him that Muay Thai is a dangerous sport.

"I would have to say, they have a valid point," said Bowe, after his debut in Thai kickboxing ended with a thud in the second round. "It's much harder than boxing."

The former world heavyweight boxing champion had hoped to prove his critics wrong and show that he could comeback from retirement into an entirely new sport and revive some of his past glory.


Chaiwat Subprasom/ReutersFormer world heavyweight champion Riddick Bowe (left) took a big beating from Russian Levgen Golovin in his Mixed Martial Arts debut in Thailand.

But Bowe is now 45 and weighs 300 pounds, and he looked it Friday in his first fight since 2008.

Slow and out of shape, the fighter known as "Big Daddy" took a big beating from his 30-year-old unheralded Russian opponent Levgen Golovin, who attacked with repeated kicks to the shins that knocked Bowe off his feet five times. The bout ended with a technical knockout after his last fall when Bowe sat on the ground clutching his legs, wincing in pain.

"You can recover from a head shot or a body shot, but when you get kicked in the leg it lasts a long time," Bowe said, as his trainer iced his left shin. "My leg is still hurting. I don't know how long it's been -- 15 minutes?"

Not once during the brief fight, which ended 2 minutes into the second round, did Bowe land a punch or a kick. But he was happy to trade barbs with reporters afterward showing the wit that made him one of boxing's charismatic personalities during his brief reign as champion two decades ago.

"This ain't a setback it's a getback," Bowe said, referring to his comeback. "I had a lot of fun. I'm going to do it again. Next time it's going to be different."

Like so many boxers, Bowe lost the struggle to stay out of the ring. He had his reasons: He's bored with retirement; his millions are gone and he needs the money; he misses the adoration of fans; he loves to fight -- and knows little else.

Bowe said he was inspired by the comeback of George Foreman, who won a heavyweight title at age 45. But the comebacks of aging champions don't always go so well. Think of Muhammad Ali, at 38 and two years after retirement, taking punishment round after round from Larry Holmes. There was onetime heavyweight champion Greg Page coming back and nearly losing his life for a few thousand dollars. Heavyweight great Joe Louis paid dearly for his attempt to come back at an advanced age.

Bowe escaped without serious injury and made $150,000 for his Muay Thai debut, organized by Thai promoters trying to increase the international appeal of Thailand's national sport. The money is a far cry from the millions he earned by beating Evander Holyfield in 1992 to become the undisputed heavyweight champion.

In his heyday, Bowe fought on boxing's grandest stages in Las Vegas and New York.

His return to fighting took place at an outdoor ring set up beside the beach in Pattaya, a Thai town best known for its sprawling seaside red-light district.

Surveying the scene before the fight started, Bowe shook his head sadly.

"I should be moving up, but I'm moving backwards here," he said.

His fight was one of a dozen at the venue, which had the atmosphere of a village fairground with loud music and amusement park rides nearby. Promoters had said they hoped to draw about 20,000 people, but a crowd closer to 1,000 turned up even though admission was free.

On a sweltering night, Bowe sat and sweated for hours as he waited his turn to fight. The venue had no changing rooms, so Bowe and other fighters stripped down and changed in open air tents beside the stage.

"I've never seen anything like this," Bowe said, his spirits lifted by fans who came up to ask for autographs and wish him luck.

One American fan stared in awe at Bowe.

"He was such an underrated and great champion," said Jerry Mathison, a former fighter turned songwriter who lives in Thailand. "I can't believe he's here, in Pattaya."

In some ways, Friday's fight is the latest bizarre episode for Bowe, whose life in and out of the ring was marked by drama.

One of his three fights against Holyfield was interrupted by a parachutist who landed beside the ring. A fight against Andrew Golota in 1996 set off a riot in the ring at Madison Square Garden. Bowe left boxing later in 1996 at 29 for a career in the U.S. Marines, but that lasted only a few days. He then served 17 months in prison for interstate domestic violence after going to North Carolina to haul his now-former wife and their five children back home to Maryland.

Despite his loss, Bowe was optimistic before limping away into a car.

"Hey, we're going to do this again. I'll be back soon," he said. "I'm not a quitter. I want to do it until I get it right."

Bowe's opponent shook his head in disbelief when told the aging boxer plans to return to Muay Thai.

"It would be a big mistake. It's not for him," said Golovin, a trim and fit 220 pounds. "He's too slow and a bit too old."


Copyright 2013 by The Associated Press
Title: Happy 50th Birthday Randy Couture!
Post by: Stickgrappler on June 22, 2013, 07:46:39 PM
Made 2 animated GIFs of Randy's Dirty Boxing

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IDl_h26pIk4/UcUJ-q-v26I/AAAAAAAACxM/9JJz8w9bljI/s1600/UFC+15+-+Randy+Couture+vs+Vitor+Belfort+I.gif)

1 more here
http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/06/randy-coutures-dirty-boxing-animated.html

Takedowns GIFs coming when done

Happy Birthday to my favorite MMA fighter!! Many more to come!!
Title: Riddick Bowe tries Muay Thai
Post by: Stickgrappler on June 23, 2013, 05:33:14 AM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3obYvgFllxo[/youtube]

Here it is
Title: some of Randy Couture's takedowns - animated GIF's
Post by: Stickgrappler on June 29, 2013, 09:12:06 AM
Made 5 GIF's of Randy's takedowns


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vEC0R3GPrlM/Uc0kP9Lq-XI/AAAAAAAAC2A/lXfA_oyb9sg/s400/UFC+28-Randy+Couture+vs+Kevin+Randleman.gif)


4 more GIF's here:


http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/06/randy-coutures-takedowns-animated-gifs.html

Enjoy!
Title: A Boston Crab!
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 02, 2013, 06:03:34 AM
http://www.thefightnation.com/meanwhile-over-in-cambodia-someone-tapped-out-to-the-sharp-shooter-in-a-mma-match/

around 0525.
Title: Weidman KOs Silva
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 06, 2013, 10:16:20 PM

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/weidman-silva-ko.gif
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 08, 2013, 05:17:08 PM
Some commentary on Silva:

http://deadspin.com/anderson-silva-the-ufcs-troll-king-wins-again-698330884?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Title: Weidman willing to fight JBJ; Silva wants rematch
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 12, 2013, 05:48:15 PM
http://www.mmamania.com/2013/7/12/4518804/ufc-quick-quote-chris-weidman-1000-percent-in-for-super-fight-with-jon-jones-mma

http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/7/10/4510344/sources-anderson-silva-changes-tune-wants-chris-weidman-rematch-this

Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 01, 2013, 04:22:41 PM
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/438747/Pettis-takes-belt-to-fathers-grave/


Comments on last night's fights?
Title: fighter fakes death
Post by: bigdog on September 19, 2013, 03:30:59 PM
What an interesting, bizarre, tragic story: http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2013/tomato-can-blues/?smid=fb-nytimes&WT.z_sma=OT_TCB_20130918
Title: kids in the cage...
Post by: bigdog on November 06, 2013, 11:28:58 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487527/Inside-world-child-cage-fighting-Boys-trained-attack-MMA-arenas.html
Title: Re: kids in the cage...
Post by: Stickgrappler on November 13, 2013, 05:52:58 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487527/Inside-world-child-cage-fighting-Boys-trained-attack-MMA-arenas.html

Sickening
Title: 20 yrs ago yesterday ... UFC 1 !!!
Post by: Stickgrappler on November 13, 2013, 05:53:50 PM
Yesterday marked the 20th anniversary of UFC 1

To commemorate - I made some animated GIFs from Royce vs Art Jimmerson.  More GIFs to come!


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hVag7bQEuXk/UoMdDvvxwYI/AAAAAAAAEqs/PXH8uSxQdLE/s1600/UFC1-RoyceXArt-01-400-entrance-sg.gif)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mylooQ1NvrA/UoMdk_M49uI/AAAAAAAAEq8/r9x7o9sC-q4/s1600/UFC1-RoyceXArt-02-400-kick-sg.gif)

Five more GIFs here

http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/11/ufc-1-animated-gif-set-1-royce-gracie.html
Title: Sour Stench of Promoter Greed
Post by: bigdog on November 17, 2013, 05:20:16 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1853941-ufc-167-dana-white-georges-st-pierre-and-the-sour-stench-of-promoter-greed

From the article:

At the end of his title fight with Johny Hendricks, Georges St-Pierre was not right in the head. Already looking like he'd repeatedly run his face into a wall, St-Pierre showed an even scarier sign of the damage he had sustained. In his corner, preparing to step back into the fray against the hardest puncher in his division, GSP asked a telling question:

"What round is it?"
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 17, 2013, 09:09:10 PM
GSP has been a great champion as a fighter and as best as we can tell as a man.  IIRC he now holds the all time record for rounds in the UFC or something like that.  He showed true heart last night and deserves respect for whatever decision he makes now.

Title: Judo Gene LeBelle
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 02, 2013, 10:17:20 AM
http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/12/judo-vs-boxing-judo-gene-lebell-defeats.html
Title: UFC 168 - Ronday Rousey X Meisha Tate - Rd 1 Highlight GIFs
Post by: Stickgrappler on December 31, 2013, 11:42:03 AM
I made 10 GIFs from Round 1 of Ronda Rousey vs Meisha Tate. Hopefully tonight I will be able to post highlight GIFs of Rd 2-3.



Enjoy!



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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sIOoLQIPJyA/UsJZFkwK_pI/AAAAAAAAFK0/eynv7Hkcuuc/s1600/UFC168-RondaRousey-XMeishaTate-Rd1c-400-sg.gif)


(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NSLXovI5zGE/UsJaabSCu0I/AAAAAAAAFLA/9qoyde9-22k/s1600/UFC168-RondaRousey-XMeishaTate-Rd1d-400-sg.gif)


3 more GIF's here:


http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/12/ufc-168-ronda-rousey-x-meisha-tate-rd-1_31.html (http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/12/ufc-168-ronda-rousey-x-meisha-tate-rd-1_31.html)



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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7YLeknJJ0vE/UsJceWYGiDI/AAAAAAAAFLo/hENEzB09RbE/s1600/UFC168-RondaRousey-XMeishaTate-Rd1g-400-sg.gif)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mWaLCB7wBTE/UsJgY3HQ6XI/AAAAAAAAFMA/rVATtyzIJqc/s1600/UFC168-RondaRousey-XMeishaTate-SloMo-Rd1a-400-sg.gif)


3 more GIF's here:



http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/12/ufc-168-ronda-rousey-x-meisha-tate-rd-1_5494.html (http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/12/ufc-168-ronda-rousey-x-meisha-tate-rd-1_5494.html)
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Stickgrappler on December 31, 2013, 08:30:22 PM
Rd 2 Part 1

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BlcCaEYlIhc/UsN_5zIiowI/AAAAAAAAFNk/jBl55yyKSNI/s1600/UFC168-RondaRousey-XMeishaTate-Rd2c-400-sg.gif)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PlJxbDOcmRI/UsOA069tpnI/AAAAAAAAFNw/vfo_UnU71_8/s1600/UFC168-RondaRousey-XMeishaTate-Rd2e-400-sg.gif)


4 more here:

http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/12/round-2-highlight-gifs-part-1-ufc-168.html

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Rd 2 Pt 2



(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6E5GnqESl_4/UsOFdMyih5I/AAAAAAAAFOc/OU4SbT43nb0/s1600/UFC168-RondaRousey-XMeishaTate-Rd2g-400-sg.gif)

5 more here


http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/12/round-2-highlight-gifs-part-2-ufc-168.html

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Rd 3


(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-76eVCjWtoYI/UsNmkwKjqJI/AAAAAAAAFMw/rEGZy8wKkDI/s1600/UFC168-RondaRousey-XMeishaTate-SloMo-Rd3-1b-400-sg.gif)

3 more here:

http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/12/round-3-gif-highlights-of-ronda-rousey.html

Enjoy!
Title: Chris Weidman X Anderson Silva II
Post by: Stickgrappler on December 31, 2013, 08:39:49 PM
***** WARNING!!! GRAPHIC PICTURE INCLUDED IN LINK!!! *****

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JciwxOz5BlE/UsOIu6BgxDI/AAAAAAAAFPM/eHIG287oY_4/s1600/UFC168-ChrisWeidmanXAndersonSilva-Rd1-1-400-sg.gif)

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http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/12/chris-weidman-x-anderson-silva-ii-ufc.html

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Title: Ref chokes fighter
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 16, 2014, 01:44:53 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2060939-mma-referee-jumps-in-to-rip-fighter-off-opponent-with-amazing-takedown?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national
Title: 99 Interesting MMA Facts fro the MMA Fans
Post by: Stickgrappler on September 03, 2014, 01:46:36 PM
Interesting MMA Facts for the Die Hard MMA Fan Part 1 by ix3623

Underground member ix3623 has been collecting MMA facts for the past 20 yrs. Check out the fruits of his labor here:


http://www.stickgrappler.net/2014/09/interesting-mma-facts-for-die-hard-mma.html (http://www.stickgrappler.net/2014/09/interesting-mma-facts-for-die-hard-mma.html)

Enjoy!

more coming!
Title: Rhonda takes on the LGBT mafia
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 22, 2015, 05:45:21 PM
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/dylan-gwinn/2015/10/20/ronda-rousey-enrages-salon-her-refusal-ape-lgbt-talking-points
Title: Ancient "MMA": Pankration
Post by: ccp on December 17, 2015, 07:06:55 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pankration
Title: Weird scenes inside the gold mine
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 08, 2018, 01:39:49 PM
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2018/10/6/17943082/mma-fighters-oligarch-linked-ufc-champ-khabib-nurmagomedov-arrested-for-attempted-murder-news

or this

https://clarionproject.org/radical-islam-and-the-ultimate-fighting-championship/


or this
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2018/10/6/17943082/mma-fighters-oligarch-linked-ufc-champ-khabib-nurmagomedov-arrested-for-attempted-murder-news

or this

see 19:30 et seq in particular
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzhJ9PdY77c
Title: What led to the bus incident
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 09, 2018, 08:05:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-QoilXbP4E&feature=youtu.be
Title: Chris Cyborg
Post by: bigdog on December 26, 2018, 04:12:14 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2811739-cris-cyborgs-legacy-is-on-the-line-like-never-before-vs-amanda-nunes
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 26, 2018, 10:44:51 PM
If I read for comprehension correctly, this key sentence from the article is incorrect:

" we can point to the one drug test she failed in 2011 (a 2016 failure was later reversed)" 

What I get is the referenced failure is for steroids and the reversal is for a diuretic.


Anyway, based on appearance alone (and her voice which is deeper than mine) it seems obvious to me that at some point Cyborg did heavy roids , , , or is transgender.
Title: UFC 235
Post by: bigdog on March 03, 2019, 03:20:24 AM
"Pedro Munhoz has a noggin on him, folks. If you want to just stand and bang without movement, then Munhoz is going to end up getting the better of the exchange, and that's exactly what happened to Garbrandt on Saturday."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2823243-the-real-winners-and-losers-from-ufc-235
Title: Re: MMA Thread
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 04, 2019, 09:27:12 AM
I was very happy to see Pedro score this big win, though I hope the lesson he learns is not to play "Dueling Rockys"-- he was winning very technically until he got a bit carried away and caught one and decided to brawl.