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Title: DB and DBMA in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 18, 2003, 12:37:41 PM
Woof All:

  The adventure continues.  I just got a call from MTV asking for me to teach a private lesson as a "fun activity" for a "Blind Date" program they are doing 8)

yip!
Crafty Dog
Title: DB in the media
Post by: lynda on June 18, 2003, 12:57:39 PM
So, are you going to do it?
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 26, 2003, 12:36:20 AM
Woof Lynda et al:

We shot it today and it will air sometime in August. The show is called "Tail Dating" and is a less smutty and slutty version of "Blind Date".  Apparently it airs in the afternoon for the young teen audience and later for the stoners (this is the director's description).

A silly and fun time at the shoot.

Woof,
Crafty Dog
Title: DB in the media
Post by: lynda on June 26, 2003, 01:33:22 PM
omg omg

Ricco Rodriguez on Blind Date:
http://www.bullshido.com/dl_goto.asp?id=162
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 26, 2003, 02:22:13 PM
Woof Lynda:

  I know Ricco from his first day at the Machados forward and I gotta say that was ROTFLMAO funny. 8)

Yip!
Crafty
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Hakoko on July 14, 2003, 05:07:24 PM
Guro Crafty,

Please don't forget to let us know when "taildating" airs. I'm sure it will be cool. I just saw the pics in the picture gallery section.
Title: Taildaters
Post by: Mike on July 25, 2003, 01:44:32 PM
I took a look to the mtv site and find following informations:


Taildaters

Taildaters is back with a 3rd season as a whole new crop of daters hop in the limo looking to "hook it up" or "crash and burn." As two strangers get to know each other, friends and family tag along behind in the RV watching their every move and paging their advice as the date progresses. Watch as they put everything on the line in season three of MTV's Taildaters.

Episode : Liz and Curtis, Daisy and Josh

'The Bald and The Beautiful'
On this date Liz and Curtis test their driving skills. Tune in to see if these two will make each other's wheels spin or if this date will simply run out of gas. You will have a blast when you join the Taildaters to watch this wild ride of a date.

'The BackSeat Boy and The Breathalyzer'
Daisy is a Latin firecracker looking for a manly man who's a little rough around the edges. Josh is a slick pretty boy with Back Street Boy style. Tune in to see what happens when this firecracker turns into a ticking time bomb! Join the Taildaters as they try to keep the heat under control.

Air Times:

Wednesday, Jul 23 @ 3:00 PM
Friday, Jul 25 @ 3:00 AM


Hope to get more informations....

Best Regards,

Mike
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 11, 2003, 02:59:58 PM
Woof All:

  Our show is scheduled to air on September 10th.

Woof,
Crafty Dog
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 26, 2003, 12:08:09 PM
Woof All:

  Apparently they are pleased with the results and I've just been scheduled to shoot another Taildating show on September 11th.

The adventure continues,
Crafty Dog
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 12, 2003, 04:20:29 AM
Woof All:

  Apparently the show was broadcast yesterday or today.  They didn't bring my copy to the shoot today so I still haven't seen it.  They SWEAR they will send it to me tomorrow  ::)  Dog Milt says he saw it and it was really weak-- 10 seconds wherein nothing was clear.

  The shoot today had its own energy.  The girl's silicone mounds were brighter than her and tighter than a drum.  For some reason ;) they planted her mike there and didn't bother giving me one.  They told me to just be sure to be close to her and to look at the mike when I was speaking.   ;) ;) ;)

I got more playful with the banter this time (Against the headlock: "Hit him in the big head, the little head, and then give him a cameltoe."   Apparently the folks in the trailer loved this.

I find out in a month when it airs.

Guro C.
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 16, 2003, 03:52:30 PM
Woof All:

I finally saw it today and what can I say?  Dog Milt was right.  I anticipate more of the same for the next one.

Crafty Dog
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 08, 2004, 01:52:22 PM
A Canadian station has referenced us on their website at http://www.cfox.com/station/geeks.cfm
Title: Radio Station
Post by: Arkangel on January 25, 2004, 08:51:28 PM
The link has changed, go here to see.
http://www.cfox.com/station/geeks.cfm?edition=2004-01-08
Hurcum


Woof Phil:

Thanks for all your help on this one!

Woof,
Crafty Dog
Title: UK: Ultimate Warriors
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 28, 2004, 12:05:59 PM
Woof All:  

About 15-18 months ago I spent a day with Granada TV of the UK for a program scheduled to appear April 2003.  A couple of weeks ago I remembered about it and emailed them "WTF?" and they kindly sent me a copy of what they aired.

Apparently it was part of a series titled "Ultimate Warriors" and we were in the episode on Weapons.

Although (surprise!) the selection of fight footage tended to the brawling over the technical, overall I was happy with the piece-- I was pleasantly surprised at the extent that they allowed me to make some of the deeper points and the effort in the editing to bring variety to the material selected.  

Anyone in the UK/Europe who saw this and can comment?

Woof,
Crafty Dog
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 12, 2004, 10:45:27 AM
Woof All:

Assisted by Chris Gizzi, yesterday I did a Foto Shoot for Black Belt for an article that will probably be titled something like "Kali Comes to the Cage"

Woof,
Crafty Dog
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 14, 2004, 06:43:44 AM
Woof All:

We've recently gotten our hands on the article about us that appeared in Men's Fitness a few years ago.  

Here it is.

Woof,
Crafty Dog
==========================================

Iron John? Big wuss. Real me, say the Dog Brothers, beat the crap out of
each other with 30-inch clubs.

Underdog is flailing away at Dog Steve with a pair of 30-inch sticks before
the watchful eye of the Crafty Dog and his canine cohorts. "Stop backing
up!" Top Dog orders as Dog Steve charges forward, slashing his club at
Underdog, who is backpedaling furiously in an attempt to avoid massive head trauma, broken bones or a kidney-popping thrust into his bare body.

"Swing harder!" Crafty Dog barks as the two fighters crash together -
Underdog attempting to dig the end of his stick into his foe's exposed leg
even as Dog Steve tries to crush Underdog's larynx in a chokehold.

Imposing rattan sticks clack together, African drums beat a primal
counterpoint in the background, and the assembled crowd of 200 dog lovers woofs its approval. We're in the middle of a public park on a delightfully sunny California afternoon, watching two combatants trying to cave in each other's skulls. What could be better?

One man's cruelty to animals, after all, is another man's extreme sport. And things don't get much more extreme than Real Contact Stick-fighting, brought to you courtesy of the mangy Dog Brothers, a grassroots martial arts group whose biannual semipublic gatherings follow a Robert Bly kind of philosophy, bringing men together to rediscover their male energy through combat.

Except, as Crafty Dog puts it, "Bly was pussy-whipped. There isn't enough
testosterone in his stuff." Testosterone isn't a problem when fighting Dog
Brothers-style, except when you take a stick to the groin.

Sticking it out

In the bizarre m?lange of the martial arts world, stickfighting occupies a
particularly esoteric niche. For decades, it was practiced largely by
Filipinos, who originated and evolved the sport from their country's
traditional tribal warfare techniques. As any Filipino martial artist would
be proud to tell you, it was a stickfighter who offed Magellan when the
explorer made the mistake of visiting their islands on his world cruise.

But impaling people on sticks is a hard tourism sell. So in recent years the
Filipinos have modified their methods. The last public "death match" was
held in Hawaii in 1948. Since then, attempts have been made to turn
stickfighting into an internationally accepted martial art. Rules were drawn
up for competition, and the sport has gained a certain amount of acceptance in the United States, particularly in California. But tournament competition requires that fighters be heavily padded to prevent injury.

And if you're a Dog Brother, that just isn't any fun.

Years of the dog

The group's pedigree goes back to New York in the late 1970s, when a young student named Eric Knauss discovered Filipino stickfighting between classes at Columbia University. At 6[feet] 4[inches] and 215 pounds, Knauss had the size and instinct for combat. His instructors (Leo Gaje and Tom Bisio) trained him in hardcore stickfighting techniques and turned him loose. Knauss eventually moved to the West Coast, where he won numerous tournament championships and gained a reputation for insanity throughout California martial arts schools.

During what he calls his ronin, or wandering samurai phase, Knauss would
visit schools at random, humbly asking if they trained with weapons and
whether they'd like to do a little friendly sparring. Of course, his idea of
friendly sparring was to wear no protection save a light head guard, and to go at it until one man surrendered or was rendered senseless.

"I only had a few takers," Knauss says, still slightly surprised. "But there
were four or five who thought like I did in terms of getting to the core of
what really works in a fight. It wasn't until I met Marc Denny and he took
me to meet his teacher [the legendary Dan Inosanto] that we were really able to take root. That's how the Dog Brothers started."

But things didn't really get off the ground until 1988. Needing footage for
their first instructional video, a half-dozen combatants met for three days
of nonstop stickfighting in San Clemente, California's Rambless Park. Denny, a former attorney, showed up wearing cleats for traction on the grassy surface. Someone commented on what a crafty dog he was.

"I went home that night and picked up a Conan the Barbarian comic book," Denny says. "Conan was leading his band of mercenaries into battle, yelling, 'Come on, ye band of dog brothers!' It seemed like a natural name for us."

Denny, himself an Ivy League graduate and the group's guiding force,
remained the Crafty Dog. Knauss, the best fighter, was dubbed the Top Dog. There were Salty Dogs, Shark Dogs, Sled Dogs ... a whole litter of
stickfighting crazies who gained an underground cult following within the
martial arts world, though they avoided publicity for obvious legal and
practical reasons.

"Our mission has been to stay off the authorities' radar screens so we don't get shut down," Denny says.

Despite this, the Dog Brothers' videos, released through Panther
Productions, the world's largest distributor of martial arts videos, have
been wildly successful. The tapes blend instruction and fight footage and
have risen to No. 3 on the distributor's sales charts, mainly through word
of mouth.

And the word is that the Dog Brothers are some sick puppies.

Unchained melee

They have no rules in their matches except that fighters should remain
friends at the end of the day. Oh, yeah, and one more: Try not to put your opponents in the hospital.

The result of these "rules" is friendly, but rabidly intense, combat.

The scraps take place in a wide circle of grass in a quiet suburban park
within view of the ocean. The crowd is low-key and wildly diverse, a mix of tatted-up gangster lookalikes, a few groupies, serious martial artists,
yuppies young and old, towheaded little kids and their dogs. Stickfighting
the Dog Brothers way mixes grappling with technical stickwork; almost every match ends with both parties rolling around on the ground, looking to lock on a submission hold or rip off an opponent's protective mask and pound his face into Alpo.

The violence is incredible, but rarely personal. Fighters hug at the end of
their matches, and when one martial artist loses his composure and begins smashing his prone opponent with excessive vigor, several Dogs jump in to separate the two.

Restraint doesn't mean nonviolent, though. At the end of the group's May
gathering, the 20 participating fighters are covered with "stick hickeys" -
ugly red welts caused by rattan whacking flesh. Serious injuries have
occurred at past gatherings - a huge stick shot split one fighter's kneecap
in half in 1996 - but for the most part, fighters control themselves well
enough to prevent anyone from spending the night in the hospital.

When serious injuries occur, they're unusual and deeply regretted. Mike
Florimini, the Rain Dog, is still fighting despite his guilt over
kneecapping an opponent. "I was pretty upset by it," he says, "but we all
agree, it's what we can be in for."

Aggression lesson

As author Tom Wolfe observed about modern art, a martial art must have a "persuasive theory," a raison d'etre. In pursuit of a reason for
stickfighting's being, Denny incorporates a wide range of existential
justification into what could be construed as felonious assault with a
deadly weapon.

At the beginning of each gathering, he lectures the combatants on the
philosophical and anthropological implications of Real Contact
Stickfighting, quoting Nobel laureate Konrad Lorenz on the nature of
aggression.

"Any animal that has friendship has intraspecies aggression. The two go
hand-in-hand," Denny says. "Lorenz observed that there's an instinctual need to discharge this aggression. We do it in a ritual way."

Denny propounds the importance of this need for a form of ritual energy
discharge as he rails against the loss of traditional male-initiation rites
in modern American society. This could easily sound pompous, but the Dogs' sense of humor keeps things light. Consider their intellectual credo:
"Higher consciousness through harder contact."

"In a way, all we are is a bunch of kids meeting in the treehouse with our
nicknames and secret handshakes," Denny says. "Too many people in martial arts take themselves too seriously, anyway."

Ultimate dog fighting?

But others in the martial arts world take the Dog Brothers quite seriously.
Art Davie, former promoter of the Ultimate Fighting Championships, heard
about the group in 1995 and was interested in including a match on one of
his pay-per-view bloodfests. He went to the Dogs and watched some fights.

The baron of barbarism's reaction? "I thought these guys were stone crazy. They're beating each other with sticks!" What could be more telegenic?

"When I offered it to some cable outlets, they said, 'You want to show
what?"' Davie recalls. "I wanted to put it on TV, but we have enough trouble with bare-knuckle fights. All we need is to show 30 seconds of Eric Knauss beating on a guy like he's Rodney King and they'd run me out of town on a rail."

If the UFC is seen by some as a barbaric reversion to the age of Roman
gladiators, the Dog Brothers regress still further. Standing in a clearing
watching two men with sticks circle each other, a nearby percussionist
pounding out riffs on an African djembe drum, seems to transport you back in time: For a fleeting instant, you know what it was like 10,000 years ago, when sticks were the only weapon and the clan gathered to watch two warriors battle for land, a woman or tribal status.

Of course, the Dog Brothers could be seen as a bunch of macho lunatics -and they certainly are - but that perception would overlook something more vital. When they talk about stickfighting being a male-initiation rite in the traditional sense, a truly transforming experience, it's not some New Age con. The courage required to stand up to a 30-inch club (or sometimes two) whizzing at your head is a special commodity in modern society, where computer workstations are a bigger physical threat than a raiding tribe.

As the whipped author and poet Robert Bly pointed out in his book Iron John, the contemporary male seems to have lost contact with that sense of an inner wildman which keeps him strong yet avoids the pitfalls of macho cruelty. Though stickfighting probably isn't the most enlightened way of establishing inner strength, it's revealing that while stickfighting abides by neither rules nor referees, there are also no winners declared and no trophies awarded. Fighters show up merely to test themselves. For example, the Underdog is actually a 50-year-old, 145-pound supplicant named John Salter.

Salter, who was once owner of a medical-management company, picked up the sticks just three years ago without ever having been in a fistfight. Now, he's a combat fanatic.

"The idea is not to hurt people, but to prepare yourself on many levels. It
takes over your life, and it's a higher-quality life than I used to be
living. I will lose if I don't keep doing this," he says.

It's also telling that most of the crowd at the Dog Brothers' melees seems
able to connect with the group's philosophy. Like the fighters, the audience doesn't lust for blood - only for well-executed combat. In part to preserve this respectful atmosphere, the group is comfortable to stay underground.

"I think we've found our proper level," Denny says. "It would have been an experience to fight in the UFC, but the way we do it now feels right. If we fought in a competition, it would be hard to remain friends at the end of the day."

But for the voyeur, violence is often a drug. As people become inured to the bare-knuckle action of the UFC and its ilk, they'll eventually require a
stronger fix. Despite the resistance his tamer event has met from cable
providers, Davie insists that we'll eventually be able to tune in and see
weapons duels on television. One bare-knuckle television tournament, the
now-defunct World Combat Championships, wanted the Dog Brothers to compete and actually asked if they would fight without their head protection.

"I talked it over with Top Dog and Salty Dog," Denny says. "We said, 'If you can find the three of us opponents and meet our price, we'll do it. But it's going to be gory.'"

Ultimately, the WCC decided to pass, perhaps sensing that this was one idea best left to the dogs.

Writer Dog Mark Jacobs is a frequent contributor to Men's Fitness.

COPYRIGHT 1998 Weider Publications
COPYRIGHT 2000 Gale Group
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 10, 2004, 08:56:09 AM
http://www.worldblackbelt.com/pages/Aug04.25_FilipinoMA.asp?SID=7TQB54GCJE27176
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Guard Dog on September 12, 2004, 01:13:37 PM
Quote from: Crafty_Dog
http://www.worldblackbelt.com/pages/Aug04.25_FilipinoMA.asp?SID=7TQB54GCJE27176


Great write up!
  Glad to see the expousure!

Gruhn
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 22, 2004, 03:42:16 AM
http://www.adcombat.com/ubbADCC_Forum/ubb/Forum1/HTML/032753.html

 :D
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Guard Dog on November 22, 2004, 07:43:17 AM
Those crazy Dog Brother guys!  :wink:
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 12, 2005, 10:07:06 PM
Woof All:

The editor's column in the April issue of Black Belt (Tony Blauer on cover)
has some very kind words about me.

yip!
Crafty Dog
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 29, 2005, 04:27:28 AM
Woof All:

Keep your eyes out for the September issue of Black Belt  8)

Woof,
Crafty Dog
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 02, 2005, 06:32:50 PM
Chris Gizzi and I appear in a foto on page 96 in the August issue of of Black Belt.
Title: Ultimate Warriors
Post by: Dog Kris Dunnage on July 05, 2005, 02:47:39 AM
Woof Marc

The DB section on Ultimate Warriors was excellent. As you said, it was nice that they gave you the opportunity to get across the ethos and thinking behind the gathering rather than focusing on the "violence".



Take it easy mate

Dog Kris
  :twisted:
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 10, 2005, 06:59:23 PM
Those of us who are married may be aware of a "reality TV for women" phenomenon wherein someone's home is fixed up "while they were out"; "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" and the like.

Well, Pappy Dog and Shaggy Dog's den of iniquity and pigpen is up for the fix up treatment on some minor cable show.

Developing , , ,
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 28, 2005, 08:32:10 AM
My wife just ran across this:

http://www.tipunan.com/Publications/martial_arts/spread-filipino-martial-arts.html
Title: DB in the media
Post by: kuraiokami on December 28, 2005, 09:53:20 AM
A very informative article indeed.  And as is evident in the attached quote, it is very clear the author has a clear view of what we are all about.


Quote
The Dog Brothers have generated tremendous interest in FMA walking a tightrope between gladiatorial spectacle, laboratory of FMA techniques, a warrior rite of passage, and true martial arts brotherhood

~ Jay de Leon, 2004
Title: Baltic Dog and the Bay Area clan
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 24, 2007, 09:37:04 PM
http://video.nbc11.com/player/?id=111120
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Tom Stillman on May 25, 2007, 11:41:31 AM
Now thats what I call Mixed weapons martial arts.  BTW  I am going to introduce a swing knife which is  a wood dowel (representing a knife) connected to a  teather that wraps around the wrist,  in the knife fighting warm up fight this June.  TS
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: sting on May 25, 2007, 04:05:13 PM
Thanks for posting, Crafty.

Here's another from this morning :

"Office workers starting disturbing 'fight clubs'
May25, 2007
MSNBC Live

Groups of office workers are battling each other with sticks, chairs and vacuum cleaners in undisclosed locations.  Engineer Shiyin Siou tells MSNBC's Chris Jansing why he enjoys battles.
http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=a793d761-ef1a-424e-bdae-d1b46a3ee437&f=00&fg=email

Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 25, 2007, 04:35:56 PM
Will you be bringing a vacuum cleaner (or anything else intriguing) to the Gathering?  If so please post on the Gathering thread.
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: sting on May 25, 2007, 05:03:23 PM
Will you be bringing a vacuum cleaner (or anything else intriguing) to the Gathering?  If so please post on the Gathering thread.

Hi Crafty,

I'm just worried about surviving the Gathering, but I'll think about it.  Most of the stuff we play with is kinda embarrassing, so I don't know if you want to have any part of that.  Though, I have learned that fighting with chairs is really dangerous.  The stakes created when chairs are smashed are frickin' dangerous.  I know to watch out for that stuff, but I wouldn't trust someone in a frenzy.  I think we were using the Ikea Terje for $12.99, as I have exhausted the supplies at Goodwill and Salvation Army.  At one store, a tough sales woman was unwilling to break a dining room set and sell me the two remaining chairs, even though I confessed I bought the first two chairs the previous week.

Ikea Terje
http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10103&storeId=12&langId=-1&productId=11315

Perhaps the Ikea Bollo for $20 would be a better choice.  $40 for a chair fight.

Gints
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 25, 2007, 05:15:44 PM
I agree about the risks of the chairs.  I guess I was thinking more in terms of what looked like a hand held vacuum cleaner that I saw in one of those ciips.  IIRC you followed up nicely with a low kick.
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 12, 2008, 10:10:13 AM
Woof All:

This from the reporter for the Reuters piece.

TAC!
CD
===================
Hi Marc,
 
Just a quick updater on the story we did. Aside from China, a quick search shows it caem out in Brunei, Zaire, Ireland, New Zealand and, jus today, in a photo spread in El Universal in Mexico.
 
It was also picked up by ABC and the International Herald Tribune.
 
I don't think I can remember a story that go such attention, at least not in a long while.

Cheers,
Tim Gaynor
Title: G4
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 27, 2008, 04:32:48 AM
G4, the gamer network, is going to be showing the Brad Pitt movie "Fight Club" and accompanying it with a one hour documentary which will feature Baltic Dog' Fight Club crew and Pappy Dog's NoHo crew as well as 1-2 other groups.
Title: TUF fighter in DB Gathering
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 08, 2009, 01:10:08 PM
James Wilks, the Brit who won on TUF this week, has fought in 1-2 DB Gatherings.
Title: Re: TUF fighter in DB Gathering
Post by: Matt Tucker on May 08, 2009, 03:19:42 PM
James Wilks, the Brit who won on TUF this week, has fought in 1-2 DB Gatherings.


Cool, US or Europe?
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 08, 2009, 06:21:54 PM
Well, I am going by what Dog Rog says and he is American-- but he did visit a Euro Gathering IIRC so I cannot say which with certainty.
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Sisco T. on May 08, 2009, 07:34:10 PM
 guro c.,

 that guy james wilks IS british. he has lived here for some time though. he has a school in the O.C. with another guy who i'm assuming has fought in some gatherings- Danny Saurez.


 Francisco
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Matt Tucker on July 11, 2009, 05:16:41 AM
Dog Brothers: Real Fight Club aires in the UK tonight on ITV4 at 10pm. Good timing as Lonley Dog is over for a seminar
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Tom Stillman on July 11, 2009, 09:33:54 AM
Dog Brothers: Real Fight Club aires in the UK tonight on ITV4 at 10pm. Good timing as Lonley Dog is over for a seminar
Hey Matt, Thanks for the heads up about the show tonight. ITV is a free internet web TV broadcasting service. I'm thinking that it should air sometime today beetween
12:30pm -- 2:00pm pacific time, here in the U.S. depending on the time zone in the UK.  I wonder if we here in the U.S. will be able to watch the show. 
I sure hope so! :|   

Here is the link for anyone who might be interested:

http://www.123webtv.com/itv-4/
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Tom Stillman on July 11, 2009, 09:54:40 AM
I just found this on a FAQ section on the ITV site.  Maybe someone will post the show on youtube! 
Can I watch ITV in another country?
Rights agreements mean that our ITV service is only available in the UK. Even if you are a citizen of the UK you cannot access the service from abroad.  Bummer.:-(


 Is this the new show pilot?
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 12, 2009, 07:02:03 AM
No, it is night.  Our UK people think it will probably be the Nat Geo documentary.
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Tom Stillman on July 12, 2009, 12:07:18 PM
That is what a friend of mine was saying last night. She figured it's the same show with a slight title change. Yep!
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Point Dog on July 12, 2009, 02:45:00 PM
Hey Guys, it was the Nat Geo doc repackaged a bit.

This morning in the gym (we train before the BJJ open mat) there was quite a buzz coming off the BJJ guys! 

"THAT is what you guys do!!!"  :-D

"Yep."  :wink:

Had a few e-mails about training already, I think it's going to be a busy week!
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Tom Stillman on July 12, 2009, 06:12:47 PM
They probably cut the nunckaku parts out of the show. They are banned in the UK and they are not allowed to show them on TV or movies! The video game, Soul Blade, was edited for use in the UK because one of the characters used a nunchaku. The characters weapon was replaced with a three sectional staff. lol
Title: The Poz
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 25, 2009, 05:41:30 PM
Chris "The Tree that Walks" Poznik (a.k.a. "the Poz") has a gig tomorrow working as a referee on some reality tv show for a boxing match between two guys to see who gets a date with a Playboy Playmate. :D
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Matt Tucker on September 25, 2009, 07:13:57 PM
When do we apply this motivational influence at a GOTP ?  :lol:
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 09, 2009, 09:30:15 AM
I am told this is an article of us in a Japanese magazine, but I can't see diddly:

http://www.fnlweb.com/blog/2009/10/fightlife1023.php

Help?
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: C-Kumu Dog on December 09, 2009, 10:06:20 AM
Google has a translator, you can enter the URL of websites and it will translate for you.


Google Translator
http://translate.google.com/#

Japanese Website
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.fnlweb.com/blog/2009/10/fightlife1023.php&sl=ja&tl=en

The article is  " Stock - anything with a weapon what is a DOG BROTHERS & Toudo Cali?"
Title: Sled Dog!
Post by: Guard Dog on January 09, 2010, 07:36:56 AM
Sled Dog in a Documentary:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPnELgknwcY[/youtube]
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: sting on January 16, 2010, 05:10:25 PM
I'd really like to this documentary.  I don't see it on Netflix, and all I can find on the web are the two trailers.
Any leads for getting a hold of the movie?

Sled Dog, moving smooth in the ring !
Title: KPCC Los Angeles
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 13, 2011, 02:45:10 PM
http://www.scpr.org/programs/offramp/2011/04/09/dog-brothers-bond-over-sticks-and-kicks/

Sorry for their over crediting me as starting the group, of course Top Dog and Salty Dog were there too.
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Scurvy Dog on April 13, 2011, 04:06:37 PM
Very cool  :-D
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: C-Mighty Dog on April 19, 2011, 06:43:19 PM
That's a great link Crafty, I heard my training partner Poi there too. Great interview.
Title: DB on public radio
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 06, 2011, 02:25:46 PM


http://www.scpr.org/programs/offramp/2011/09/03/20570/stepping-into-a-full-contact-stickfighting-ring/
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: CrazyCossack on September 26, 2011, 02:50:24 PM
Excerpt from an article I read on mixedmartialarts.com

" MMA would just be another backyard sport people would have bootlegged videotapes of. Technically and in some aspects, it still is. At least it has elevated from the status of all of those old 'Dog Brother' tapes that floated around in the early 90s. All of that stuff was taped right here in Southern California and surprisingly, they're still around."

Here's the link to where I got it from:

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/354219/Couture-insists-hes-done-with-MMA-will-continue-movies/

Thought some people might like to know what's being said/implied about them.
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: cordtheseeker on September 26, 2011, 04:25:59 PM
Interesting.  Like a wise man once said, "What you think of me is none of my business."  :-D
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 26, 2011, 05:40:20 PM
Hey, the article goes on to give a link to our site  :-D
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: G M on September 26, 2011, 05:45:16 PM
Excerpt from an article I read on mixedmartialarts.com

" MMA would just be another backyard sport people would have bootlegged videotapes of. Technically and in some aspects, it still is. At least it has elevated from the status of all of those old 'Dog Brother' tapes that floated around in the early 90s. All of that stuff was taped right here in Southern California and surprisingly, they're still around."

Here's the link to where I got it from:

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/354219/Couture-insists-hes-done-with-MMA-will-continue-movies/

Thought some people might like to know what's being said/implied about them.

I had no idea Perez Hilton had a MMA site.  :-o
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Dr Dog on September 26, 2011, 06:57:56 PM
Hey, I'd call that good publicity! 

Speaking of which, is there any rumor about when the CNN special/article (or whatever it will be) might be airing? And is C-Mighty Dog really wearing a kilt in it? 

Dog Rick
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: C-Mighty Dog on September 26, 2011, 08:03:15 PM
I changed my Kilt for the workout segment and put it back on to go to the BBQ (Couldn't have my "gibblies" flying around)  :-D. They stated that they are not sure when it will be on the INTERNET. They stated that they get way more hits that route then the "airing". They will inform us by way of Crafty when it is posted.
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Growling Dog on October 07, 2011, 06:56:29 PM
Woof everyone

the fight network will be covering the Beat the Crap Out Of Cancer event that Tyler and I started,
they will be interviewing us also about the Dog brothers. there will be a variety of TV and Radio stations at the event  as well


GD
Title: Breaking Muscle
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 27, 2011, 03:17:08 PM

http://breakingmuscle.com/martial-arts/interview-guro-marc-denny-dog-brothers-part-1-individual-experience

http://breakingmuscle.com/martial-arts/interview-guro-marc-denny-dog-brothers-part-2-collective
Title: CNN piece
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 01, 2011, 08:41:36 PM
Dog Brothers on CNN: "Dog Brothers: Marital Arts to the Max"
http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.html

Dog Brothers on CNN: "Dog Brothers: Marital Arts to the Max"
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Tom Stillman on December 05, 2011, 07:55:33 PM
I found this clip of  2008 Dog brothers documentary on youtube of ITV in the U.K.  Footage taken from same day as the "Fight Club no Limits" footage.  I was told it was the same show with a different title.  From what I can see, it is a completely different show culled from the same raw footage!  This didn't air in the U.S. as far as I know.  Can anybody expand on this? 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl1JTBl68Xo
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Spartan Dog on September 24, 2012, 01:51:13 AM
Some years ago, I started corresponding with the author of a martial arts blog at http://dojorat.blogspot.com/

After my 1st Gathering in 2009, I was encouraged to write a brief article on what it was like for a 1st-timer to fight at a Dog Brothers Gathering.  I did so, and after it was checked by Crafty Dog, it got posted.

Three years later (meaning Sept. 2012, i.e. this month) I was asked to do an update.

This can now be found here (http://dojorat.blogspot.gr/2012/09/guest-post-kostas-at-dog-brothers-euro.html)

I tried as best I could to write something which would be interesting, and also relate my own experiences, without having them become the focus.

Hope you all enjoy it.
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: bigdog on September 24, 2012, 04:35:48 AM
Well done, Kostas. It was a great read.
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Stickgrappler on September 27, 2012, 07:10:46 AM
Woof C-Spartan Dog,

Great article! Read it this morning on a Facebook Share by Gong Fu Dog. That was awesome, thank you!!

~sg
Title: Black Belt Jan 2000 - David Cheng article
Post by: Stickgrappler on September 27, 2012, 09:23:28 AM
http://books.google.com/books?id=ks8DAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=black+belt+magazine+dog+brothers&source=bl&ots=RHUxGEUaWT&sig=Ck2c7HWj7xHZdUcYGRbwr1LUA9c&hl=en&sa=X&ei=M3xkUJOcOer30gGXqYDQBw&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=black%20belt%20magazine%20dog%20brothers&f=false

Black Belt
Jan 2000
Extreme Stickfighting - Dog Brothers are Leaders of the Pack in a Radical Form of Full-Contact Sparring
by David Cheng
pgs 80-83, 158

 
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Stickgrappler on September 27, 2012, 09:30:14 AM
http://books.google.com/books?id=kdsDAAAAMBAJ&pg=RA1-PT45&lpg=RA1-PT45&dq=black+belt+magazine+dog+brothers&source=bl&ots=q3hIMPGLjA&sig=RdP18faF4uDrNNo7GiDIcvbZOSI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=M3xkUJOcOer30gGXqYDQBw&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=black%20belt%20magazine%20dog%20brothers&f=false

Black Belt May 2003
Krabi Krabong - The 'Other' Thai Martial Art Offers Weapons and Empty-Hand Skills for Full-Contact Fighting
by Arlan Sanford aka Salty Dog
Pgs 84-86, 88
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 27, 2012, 11:31:12 AM
Nice finds SG!

Can you find my Kali Tudo article? (Sept '05) :-D
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Stickgrappler on September 27, 2012, 12:26:35 PM
Nice finds SG!

Can you find my Kali Tudo article? (Sept '05) :-D

Tail wags Guro C.

Google Books sadly only put up the first issue of Black Belt through December 2004.

Digression:  although there are a few holes here and there I've noticed, it's almost complete from the beginning through 2004.
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 27, 2012, 01:15:53 PM
Oh well, thanks for checking though  :-)
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Stickgrappler on September 27, 2012, 01:23:55 PM
just a guess, old owners allowed google to scan and put up the books for free. the old owners sold to new owners who took over in 2005... i could be wrong though. hoping black belt will allow scanning and free viewing of 2005 onwards

Title: 2012 DB Gathering report
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 29, 2012, 05:40:29 AM
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=118109&page=1&s=681ef804ddddbb478181c963d2b88833
Title: He's not a fan
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 26, 2012, 06:06:11 PM
http://middleeasy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9415%3Aif-this-is-the-future-of-mma-then-never-sign-me-up-ever&catid=34%3Aorganizations
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: bigdog on October 26, 2012, 06:38:55 PM
I think it is awesome that DB are described as "elusive" AND the website is linked. Internal consistency is elusive.
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 31, 2012, 08:50:00 AM
http://www.rightthisminute.com/video/now-ultimate-fighting
Title: Interview w Guro Crafty
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 17, 2012, 12:47:09 PM
Audio only:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-0HdT-7G8c&feature=youtu.be

Transcript:  https://s3.amazonaws.com/MMAStrikingCoachTranscripts/MMASCA+Audio+Lesson+Transcript+with+Guru+Crafty+Dog.pdf
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Tom Stillman on December 16, 2012, 01:01:11 PM
The other national Geo Fight Club?  It is titled "Fight Club Asia"  At fist glance, I thought it was a continuation of a series born from "Fight Club No Limits"  It is not made by the same production company (O.P.) and appears to have no connection with the no limits documentary.  Has anyone seen F/C Asia?                                                   http://natgeotv.com/asia/fightclub/about
Title: Guro Crafty with 19th SF
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 17, 2012, 04:41:36 PM


http://www.tactical-life.com/online/exclusives/straight-up-self-defense-tactics/
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: bigdog on December 17, 2012, 06:26:23 PM
Well done.  8-)
Title: Harry Minogue interview with Guro Crafty
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 13, 2013, 08:11:38 AM
http://fighthounds.com/interviwes/interview-with-guro-marc-crafty-dog-denny-of-dog-brothers-martial-arts-interviewer-henry-minogue-part-1/
Title: Black Belt magazine list
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 12, 2013, 03:46:14 PM


Some people like to make fun of the terms “reality-based self-defense” and “reality-based martial arts.” Because they may not know the roots of the two terms, we're posting this fact sheet.
 
RBSD is a name that describes those eclectic fighting systems that draw their techniques from various sources (usually traditional martial arts or military combatives) and apply them with a heavy emphasis on the mental components of combat.

No attention is paid to kata, traditional weapons, competition or friendly sparring. Everything is focused down to a pinpoint: survival.
 
RBSD practitioners think, When a guy with a butcher knife is charging at me, it doesn’t matter if my front kick hits him with the toe of my foot, the ball of my foot or the entire sole of my foot! And it doesn't matter if it's a kung fu kick, a karate kick or a tang soo do kick.
 
This field includes some of the biggest names in the self-defense world:

Tony Blauer
 Carl Cestari
 Loren W. Christensen
 Marc Denny
 Meredith Gold
 W. Hock Hochheim
 Bill Kipp
 Tim Larkin
 Darren Levine
 Marc MacYoung
 Kelly McCann
 Peyton Quinn
 Richard Ryan
 Melissa Soalt
 Bradley Steiner
 Geoff Thompson
 Jim Wagner
 Kelly S. Worden
Title: I make the Manila Times
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 23, 2013, 01:07:03 PM
http://manilatimes.net/crafty-dog-preaches-higher-consciousness-through-harder-contact/55133/
Title: Re: I make the Manila Times
Post by: jcordova on November 24, 2013, 07:28:22 PM
http://manilatimes.net/crafty-dog-preaches-higher-consciousness-through-harder-contact/55133/

Awesome!
Title: That body armor gear
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 03, 2014, 03:46:14 PM
http://fightland.vice.com/blog/are-weapons-and-suits-of-armor-the-future-of-mma
Title: DB in the media
Post by: Spartan Dog on March 06, 2014, 01:42:31 AM
The Wikipedia article on Dan Inosanto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Inosanto) lists his notable students - most (but not all) names are known to me; seems to me though, that there was a name missing - that of  "Marc Denny"  - so I have now updated this :-)
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 09, 2014, 12:49:06 PM
 :-D
Title: Guro Crafty for French TV show
Post by: For_Crafty_Dog on March 19, 2014, 12:14:27 PM
(http://www.dogbrothers.com/kostas/Crafty_Fr_TV.jpg)
Title: Guros Crafty and Lonely in France
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 21, 2014, 03:04:48 PM
http://www.protegor.net/blog/2014/04/protegor-le-magazine-de-la-self-defense-%E2%80%93-episode-7/
Title: DBs mentioned in article on Afrcian MA
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 19, 2014, 10:32:58 AM
http://fightland.vice.com/blog/the-styles-of-african-martial-arts
Title: Re: DB in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 09, 2015, 02:08:10 PM
Previews of an upcoming interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2OpfM83yV0&feature=youtu.be
Title: Guro Crafty Interview Part One
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 15, 2015, 05:17:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NzhKvR-bJY&feature=youtu.be
Title: Guro Crafty Interview Part Two
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 23, 2015, 05:31:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykn6cHa6p4I&feature=youtu.be
Title: French TV interview
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 31, 2015, 05:40:29 AM
http://video-streaming.orange.fr/sports-extreme/kickstartv-martial-artist-dog-brothers-VID0000001vX2T.html
Title: Interview: Guro Crafty on the Machado Brothers
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 28, 2015, 07:18:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsWeh-2sndA
Title: DBMA Camp in the North Sea, Germany
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 19, 2016, 04:13:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVmMKFp-1Us&feature=youtu.be
Title: Kenpo BBs on a rant
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 10, 2016, 01:29:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbqgmNIEyUI&feature=share
Title: Baltic Dog's Fight Club, Dog Ryoga Vee
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 15, 2016, 01:51:48 AM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/zarastone/2016/07/06/the-weird-and-wonderful-history-of-silicon-valley-fight-club/#68b2111540f7

Dog Ryoga Vee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K27Rb6-6VNw
Title: Wihongi & Denny: Tactical Clinch
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 19, 2016, 08:32:58 AM
http://www.roughmenstandready.com/2016/04/training-review-jared-wihongi-and-marc-dennys-tactical-clinch/
Title: Report on 2016 US Open Gathering
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 01, 2016, 12:59:04 PM
http://www.marpayfitness.com/2016-dog-brothers-open-gathering/
Title: Dog Brothers create crazy weapons combat tournament
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 28, 2017, 10:32:28 AM
Not terribly well written but , , ,

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/vault/exotics/dog-brothers-create-crazy-weapons-combat-tournament
Title: First episode of Why We Fight
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 25, 2017, 11:14:15 AM

https://www.go90.com/shows/1F1A4hP13BG

Our episode will be released in mid-November.
Title: Jocko and friend discuss the Dog Brothers!!!
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 29, 2017, 10:48:30 PM
I am having a major fan boy moment!

At 1:01:30 et seq.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GNRn3GtJ3g&app=desktop

PS:  The Stinky Stick technique was me!
Title: Re: Jocko and friend discuss the Dog Brothers!!!
Post by: DougMacG on November 30, 2017, 09:46:37 AM
I am having a major fan boy moment!

At 1:01:30 et seq.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GNRn3GtJ3g&app=desktop

PS:  The Stinky Stick technique was me!

I will not be fighting Crafty at the next Gathering!
Title: Running towards the guns
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 05, 2018, 05:37:53 AM


Co-author Matt Larsen founded the Army's Modern Army Combatives Program which, under his leadership, included Real Contact Stick Fighting.  I was a subject matter expert forth is portion of the program and made a Level III instructor in MACP.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/03/05/a-gun-wont-give-you-the-guts-to-run-toward-danger/?utm_term=.35c6c8d3dab0


Title: Podcast 8/10/18
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 09, 2018, 06:26:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIisI6ZtYaI
Title: Parable of the Cherrry
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 08, 2018, 07:44:14 PM
https://www.complex.com/sports/2018/01/parable-of-the-cherry
Title: Re: Parable of the Cherrry
Post by: DougMacG on October 09, 2018, 07:32:26 AM
https://www.complex.com/sports/2018/01/parable-of-the-cherry

Very well done.

Title: Crafty Dog podcast
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 02, 2019, 04:13:19 PM


https://anchor.fm/nicholaspaularnold/episodes/Episode-13-Interview-wPunong-Guro-Marc-Crafty-Dog-Denny-of-Dog-Brothers-Martial-Arts-e8jekh
Title: Re: Crafty Dog podcast
Post by: DougMacG on November 03, 2019, 11:40:05 AM
https://anchor.fm/nicholaspaularnold/episodes/Episode-13-Interview-wPunong-Guro-Marc-Crafty-Dog-Denny-of-Dog-Brothers-Martial-Arts-e8jekh

Very well done, great stuff!

I got some echo from the interviewer at times; I wonder why.  Your voice comes through well. 

The interviewer slows the flow at times though nice to reach his audience.

Would like to see you do your own podcast or video on political, economic or foreign policy issues, blending it with wisdom learned through martial arts.
Title: Re: DB and DBMA in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 03, 2019, 08:25:48 PM
Thank you very much.

Yeah there are some random tech glitches here or there.

Hope I wasn't to blunt with the guy ("It's a yes or a no question"  :roll: ) he was very nice.

I like the idea of doing a semi-regular podcast.  Would you like to be the interviewer?
Title: Re: DB and DBMA in the media
Post by: DougMacG on November 04, 2019, 06:17:15 AM
"Hope I wasn't to blunt with the guy ("It's a yes or a no question"  :roll: ) he was very nice."

A couple of times yes, but he was seeking clarity and got it.   )

"I like the idea of doing a semi-regular podcast.  Would you like to be the interviewer?"

Yes.  I don't know if I would be good at it but I think we would know if it could work part way through the first try.

I couldn't go into as blindly as he did.  I would need to know in advance an idea of where you want the questions to lead, even though the best parts will no doubt be where it goes off-script.
Title: Re: DB and DBMA in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 04, 2019, 08:22:19 AM
Is something the technology aspect of which you could handle? Maybe with Webmaster Bob as your advisor?

Title: Re: DB and DBMA in the media
Post by: DougMacG on November 04, 2019, 01:39:53 PM
Is something the technology aspect of which you could handle? Maybe with Webmaster Bob as your advisor?

I was going to ask what kind of equipment you were using.  As a first step I looked up best podcast microphone and ordered a USB unit today to work with my computer.
Title: DBMA Guro Splinter Dog Antone Haley
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 20, 2020, 10:46:22 PM
DBMA Guro Splinter Dog Antone Haley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ninMFC30fNY&feature=youtu.be

Title: Jocko on the DBs again
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 30, 2020, 04:10:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR2_6mFYge0Uyzptv029FsQAKTP2h7OH51HOak44Kyr0SAAbhEZ9xeirERk&v=sd9x2I0AhAs&feature=youtu.be

Approx at 1:49:00
Title: DBMA in Russian Budo
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 03, 2021, 02:22:24 PM
https://issuu.com/budoweb/docs/budo_international_edition_in_russian_language_3?fbclid=IwAR3Z7kbBehp_gF2abHeQtpggxKuHak_1wiaOVsGBqItPT5sciTBeBicU6QU

A free beer to the first person to put the photos in the right order , , , haha
Title: The Forgotten Story of the UFC's Flirtation with Stick Fighting
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 20, 2021, 12:15:44 PM
The forgotten story of UFC’s flirtation with stick fighting – The Athletic

‘Too extreme’: The forgotten story of the UFC’s flirtation with stick fighting
Shaheen Al-Shatti Feb 18, 2021 9

It’s often said that nothing was off-limits in the early days of MMA. And though that’s not entirely true, it’s not far off the mark either. With the UFC all too happy to poke the edges of polite society in its No Holds Barred years if it helped attract a few extra eyeballs, its metaphorical head was always on a swivel in search of the next great controversy or idea. And one of the wildest examples — one that’s been lost to history — was a proposal that floated across the promotion’s desk in 1995.


The UFC had already held a handful of successful pay-per-views by the end of 1994, the last of which — UFC 4 — featured a bout that perfectly embodied the lawless ethos of a fledgling sport. The image of Keith Hackney, a blue-collar air conditioning technician out of the Midwest, raining down a hurricane of blows upon the family jewels of Joe Son, one of the era’s many charlatans who represented his own fictional style called Jo Son Do, was peak No Holds Barred.


The popularity of those first shows coaxed a wave of martial arts oddities out of the woodwork, with many fighters representing their own obscure disciplines, and all of them seeking validation in the UFC’s tournaments. But one group’s aspirations rose higher than just competing: the Dog Brothers.


The brainchild of a trio of well-to-do friends out of Southern California, the Dog Brothers extolled a self-styled, weapon-based martial art that was essentially a loose combination of the Japanese discipline of kendo and the Philippine discipline of escrima, both of which focused on combat with wooden sticks.
All three creators went by elaborate nicknames — “Crafty Dog” Marc Denny, “The Guiding Force of the Dog Brothers”; “Top Dog” Eric Knaus, “The Fighting Force of the Dog Brothers”; and “Salty Dog” Arlan Sanford, “The Silent Force of the Dog Brothers” — as did their disciples. Matches were brutal and protective equipment was sparse. Their mission statement was a simple one — and they were all-in on their canine aesthetic.


“These guys were doing full-on stick fighting,” remembers UFC co-founder Campbell McLaren.
“They had this crest, and it was two dogs standing up fighting with sticks. Not real — like, cartoon dogs fighting with the escrima sticks. And then their motto was: ‘No suing.’”


The latter point was an important one. The UFC had burst into the public consciousness in part because of its willingness to embrace violence, but the Dog Brothers had raised the bar in that regard.


“They were white-collar guys and they would beat the fuck out of each other,” remembers UFC co-creator Art Davie. “Just beat the fuck out of each other with these sticks. They were still wearing like a (fencing) mask or a goalie’s face mask, and they were wearing some sort of gloves, but it wasn’t a big deal.


“They would wind up with fucked up knuckles or somebody would get a broken finger. And that’s how these things would end. Somebody would either signal defeat — very rarely — or they would get injured. They would get injured, and that’s what I found fascinating.”


A lawyer who continued competing in stick fighting until his late 40s, Denny insisted on his combatants “self-governing” their own matches, “without relying upon a referee.”


“No judges, no referees, no trophies,” Denny says.


“We’ve certainly had some concussions and plenty of broken bones. One guy had a split kneecap. So it’s serious, it’s rowdy.”


The outlaw tenor of the era fit the two groups to a tee. Believing to have found a kindred corporate spirit, the Dog Brothers broached conversations with the UFC in early 1995 with a proposition: Bring us on as mid-card programming between tournament bouts and we’ll not only kill the dead air on a pay-per-view, we’ll also show your audience a spectacle unlike any they’ve seen before.


And there was mutual interest, at least initially.


Davie attended two different Dog Brothers demonstrations — afternoons in Huntington Beach that were styled as “Gatherings of the Dog Pack,” which ended up being half kumite, half friendly neighborhood barbecue.


He came away genuinely intrigued by what he saw.


“There was Buck Dog, Spit Dog — everybody was a dog,” Davie says. “And it was funny because they were educated. These were not a bunch of yahoos from some corner of Los Angeles that you would’ve said, ‘Well, you know, it’s logical that they would have gotten (into this).’ … And they would just beat the frick out of each other, then they’d all barbecue chicken and hamburgers and we’d sit around and eat.


“One of the things I found once we did the first UFC is that there was a universe of people out there that was available. That was the beauty of the martial arts, is that every city had you-name-it. So there were people out there that we’d never heard of, and the universe was full of people in those days who were absolutely off the wall — and to me the Dog Brothers were just another wonderful, crazy group of guys who had gotten into these exotic martial arts and pursued them. So it was fascinating. I thought they were very legitimate, and I felt that the demonstrations I saw would have fascinated our audience.”


McLaren was equally smitten. The weaponry used at “Gatherings of the Dog Pack” wasn’t only limited to wooden sticks. From the traditional — whips, practice knives, triple staffs — to the outlandish such as hockey sticks, frying pans, and other household objects, any weapon was fair game as long as it was mutually agreed upon before a match.


The UFC had already done interstitial programming in the past, often in the form of an award presentation to a martial arts luminary, so it wasn’t a foreign proposition as far as pay-per-view resources. But McLaren also courted bombast as gleefully as Davie did, and in the Dog Brothers, he saw an untapped market that could turn into more than just a halftime show.


“The moment they start hitting each other and jumping around, the mask would come flying off. And I’m looking at this and I’m going, ‘This is the coolest stuff I’ve ever seen,’” McLaren said.


“They’re like proto-bros, right? ‘Bro, come on. We can do some stick fighting, bro. Come do it, bro. Come on.’ And then they beat the shit out of each other. And they’re like bamboo sticks, so there’s probably some concussions involved, but mostly it’s like scalp cuts, so it’s just a lot of blood. And I’m looking at this — I go, ‘this is fucking awesome.’ I mean, we need to do one of these fights in between fights and see if we could spin this off. Full-contact stick fighting.”


Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately depending on your opinion of grown men beating the living bejesus out of each other with wooden sticks, the temperature around UFC had already begun to rise by the time the Dog Brothers entered the picture. Pressure from media and politicians, both on the state and federal level, to shut down the sport was creeping through the front door of the UFC’s party in a way that felt soberingly real, and the infamous “human cockfighting” remarks of U.S. Sen. John McCain were lurking around the corner.


As early as 1994 at UFC 3, local law enforcement had already begun threatening to arrest athletes on assault charges if the promotion’s events proceeded as planned. As much as MMA thrived on controversy, it was becoming clear to all involved how dire the situation could get if they didn’t draw a line in the sand.
“We had a CFO that sometimes he’d literally pass out from stuff I would show him, so I brought him in, because he was kind of the litmus test. If he passed out, I knew it was good. And he passed out (watching the stick fighting), so I figured it was good,” McLaren says.


“But everybody just went, ‘No, you’re out of your mind. Are you kidding? We’re in trouble and it’s guys punching each other, and you want to bring in full-contact stick fighting?!’ And you’re laughing and I’m laughing as I tell this, but when I did it, it was like, ‘Oh, hell no, Campbell. No. And in fact — you should probably leave.’ It wasn’t even (a discussion). And I’m like, ‘Ah, come on! An exhibition? No suing!’ But that was that. It was enough.”


As bizarre as its brief lifespan may have been, the UFC’s flirtation with full-contact stick fighting died a swift death. In May 1995, Davie penned a wistful rejection letter to the Dog Brothers in which he wrote, “it is with great reluctance that I must tell you that stickfighting, such as your group has pioneered in the USA, is just too extreme for the UFC format at this time.”


The phrase “too extreme for the UFC” served as its own badge of honor in 1995 — “We’re proud of that one,” Denny says, laughing — but the matter was settled.


And so the sport moved on. Davie sold his share of the UFC by the end of 1995 and McLaren was pushed out of the picture soon after. MMA ultimately exploded in popularity over the ensuing decades, culminating in the UFC’s sale to WME-IMG in 2016 for a then record-breaking sum of over $4 billion. And the Dog Brothers even played their own small roles in the ecosystem.


Denny, one of the group’s founders, served as a judge for a single fight at UFC 10. His fellow stick-fighting apostle, Lester Griffin — aka “Surf Dog” — followed a similar path and judged myriad high-profile MMA events from 2006-16, counting the UFC, Bellator, Strikeforce, WEC and Invicta FC among his credits.
The Dog Brothers pressed on as well — their YouTube channel continues to upload content to this day, and their website still proudly displays Davie’s letter.


“If I could’ve made the decision unilaterally,” Davie says 26 years later, “especially me — the spectacle guy — I would have put them in.”


Who knows what could’ve been?


The UFC’s dalliance with stick fighting is now a lost footnote in history, but perhaps an alternate universe exists somewhere out there in the cosmos where the Dog Brothers reached out with their proposition before the deluge of outside pressure devoured the early UFC whole. Perhaps their weaponized mid-card exhibitions became a smash hit in that universe, and full-contact stick fighting turned into the spinoff McLaren always envisioned, a bastard cousin to the UFC’s original offering that spawned thousands of Dog Brothers gyms and “Gatherings of the Dog Pack” around the globe.


Probably not. But hey, anything was possible in those Wild West days.


(Photo of Art Jimmerson and Royce Gracie: Markus Boes)
Title: Crafty Dog interview in Spanish in Chile
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 29, 2021, 07:57:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qx769iTWSg
Title: Part two
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 01, 2021, 07:51:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOCOvJH5aj8&t=16s

Mostly in Spanish, the parts with Sean are in English.
Title: Re: DB and DBMA in the media
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 27, 2021, 08:02:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1vmXUglskc
Title: Euro Gathering
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 21, 2021, 08:10:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heTNZln3gFI
Title: Men's Fitness
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 30, 2021, 11:16:04 AM
Iron John? Big wuss. Real men,  say the Dog Brothers, beat the crap out of each other with 30-inch clubs.

Underdog is flailing away at Dog Steve with a pair of 30-inch sticks before the watchful eye of the Crafty Dog and his canine cohorts. "Stop backing up!" Top Dog orders as Dog Steve charges forward, slashing his club at Underdog, who is backpedaling furiously in an attempt to avoid massive head trauma, broken bones or a kidney-popping thrust into his bare body.

"Swing harder!" Crafty Dog barks as the two fighters crash together -Underdog attempting to dig the end of his stick into his foe's exposed leg even as Dog Steve tries to crush Underdog's larynx in a chokehold.

Imposing rattan sticks clack together, African drums beat a primal counterpoint in the background, and the assembled crowd of 200 dog lovers woofs its approval. We're in the middle of a public park on a delightfully sunny California afternoon, watching two combatants trying to cave in each other's skulls. What could be better?

One man's cruelty to animals, after all, is another man's extreme sport. And things don't get much more extreme than Real Contact Stick-fighting, brought to you courtesy of the mangy Dog Brothers, a grassroots martial arts group whose biannual (sic) semi-public gatherings follow a Robert Bly kind of philosophy, bringing men together to rediscover their male energy through combat.

Except, as Crafty Dog puts it, "Bly was pussy-whipped. There isn't enough testosterone in his stuff." Testosterone isn't a problem when fighting Dog Brothers-style, except when you take a stick to the groin.


Sticking it out

In the bizarre m?lange of the martial arts world, stickfighting occupies a particularly esoteric niche. For decades, it was practiced largely by Filipinos, who originated and evolved the sport from their country's traditional tribal warfare techniques. As any Filipino martial artist would be proud to tell you, it was a stickfighter who offed Magellan when the explorer made the mistake of visiting their islands on his world cruise.

But impaling people on sticks is a hard tourism sell. So in recent years the Filipinos have modified their methods. The last public "death match" was held in Hawaii in 1948. Since then, attempts have been made to turn stickfighting into an internationally accepted martial art. Rules were drawn up for competition, and the sport has gained a certain amount of acceptance in the United States, particularly in California. But tournament competition requires that fighters be heavily padded to prevent injury.

And if you're a Dog Brother, that just isn't any fun.


Years of the dog

The group's pedigree goes back to New York in the late 1970s, when a young student named Eric Knauss discovered Filipino stickfighting between classes at Columbia University. At 6[feet] 4[inches] and 215 pounds, Knauss had the size and instinct for combat. His instructors (Leo Gaje and Tom Bisio) trained him in hardcore stickfighting techniques and turned him loose.

Knauss eventually moved to the West Coast, where he won numerous tournament championships and gained a reputation for insanity throughout California martial arts schools.

During what he calls his ronin, or wandering samurai phase, Knauss would visit schools at random, humbly asking if they trained with weapons and whether they'd like to do a little friendly sparring. Of course, his idea of friendly sparring was to wear no protection save a light head guard, and to go at it until one man surrendered or was rendered senseless.

"I only had a few takers," Knauss says, still slightly surprised. "But there were four or five who thought like I did in terms of getting to the core of what really works in a fight. It wasn't until I met Marc Denny and he took me to meet his teacher [the legendary Dan Inosanto] that we were really able to take root. That's how the Dog Brothers started."

But things didn't really get off the ground until 1988. Needing footage for their first instructional video, a half-dozen combatants met for three days of nonstop stickfighting in San Clemente, California's Rambless Park. Denny, a former attorney, showed up wearing cleats for traction on the grassy surface. Someone commented on what a crafty dog he was.

"I went home that night and picked up a Conan the Barbarian comic book," Denny says. "Conan was leading his band of mercenaries into battle, yelling, 'Come on, ye band of dog brothers!' It seemed like a natural name for us."

Denny, himself an Ivy League graduate and the group's guiding force, remained the Crafty Dog. Knauss, the best fighter, was dubbed the Top Dog. There were Salty Dogs, Shark Dogs, Sled Dogs ... a whole litter of stickfighting crazies who gained an underground cult following within the martial arts world, though they avoided publicity for obvious legal and practical reasons.

"Our mission has been to stay off the authorities' radar screens so we don't get shut down," Denny says.
Despite this, the Dog Brothers' videos, released through Panther Productions, the world's largest distributor of martial arts videos, have been wildly successful. The tapes blend instruction and fight footage and have risen to No. 3 on the distributor's sales charts, mainly through word of mouth.

And the word is that the Dog Brothers are some sick puppies.


Unchained melee

They have no rules in their matches except that fighters should remain friends at the end of the day. Oh, yeah, and one more: Try not to put your opponents in the hospital.

The result of these "rules" is friendly, but rabidly intense, combat.

The scraps take place in a wide circle of grass in a quiet suburban park within view of the ocean. The crowd is low-key and wildly diverse, a mix of tatted-up gangster lookalikes, a few groupies, serious martial artists, yuppies young and old, towheaded little kids and their dogs. Stickfighting the Dog Brothers way mixes grappling with technical stickwork; almost every match ends with both parties rolling around on the ground, looking to lock on a submission hold or rip off an opponent's protective mask and pound his face into Alpo.
The violence is incredible, but rarely personal. Fighters hug at the end of their matches, and when one martial artist loses his composure and begins smashing his prone opponent with excessive vigor, several Dogs jump in to separate the two.

Restraint doesn't mean nonviolent, though. At the end of the group's May gathering, the 20 participating fighters are covered with "stick hickeys" - ugly red welts caused by rattan whacking flesh. Serious injuries have occurred at past gatherings - a huge stick shot split one fighter's kneecap in half in 1996 - but for the most part, fighters control themselves well enough to prevent anyone from spending the night in the hospital.
When serious injuries occur, they're unusual and deeply regretted. Mike Florimini, the Rain Dog, is still fighting despite his guilt over kneecapping an opponent. "I was pretty upset by it," he says, "but we all agree, it's what we can be in for."

Aggression lesson

As author Tom Wolfe observed about modern art, a martial art must have a "persuasive theory," a raison d'etre. In pursuit of a reason for stickfighting's being, Denny incorporates a wide range of existential justification into what could be construed as felonious assault with a deadly weapon.

At the beginning of each gathering, he lectures the combatants on the philosophical and anthropological implications of Real Contact Stickfighting, quoting Nobel laureate Konrad Lorenz on the nature of aggression.
"Any animal that has friendship has intraspecies aggression. The two go hand-in-hand, " Denny says. "Lorenz observed that there's an instinctual need to discharge this aggression. We do it in a ritual way."

Denny propounds the importance of this need for a form of ritual energy discharge as he rails against the loss of traditional male-initiation rites in modern American society. This could easily sound pompous, but the Dogs' sense of humor keeps things light. Consider their intellectual credo: "Higher consciousness through harder contact."

"In a way, all we are is a bunch of kids meeting in the treehouse with our nicknames and secret handshakes," Denny says. "Too many people in martial arts take themselves too seriously, anyway."
Ultimate dog fighting?

But others in the martial arts world take the Dog Brothers quite seriously. Art Davie, former promoter of the Ultimate Fighting Championships, heard about the group in 1995 and was interested in including a match on one of his pay-per-view bloodfests. He went to the Dogs and watched some fights.

The baron of barbarism's reaction? "I thought these guys were stone crazy. They're beating each other with sticks!" What could be more telegenic?

"When I offered it to some cable outlets, they said, 'You want to show what?"' Davie recalls. "I wanted to put it on TV, but we have enough trouble with bare-knuckle fights. All we need is to show 30 seconds of Eric Knauss beating on a guy like he's Rodney King and they'd run me out of town on a rail."

If the UFC is seen by some as a barbaric reversion to the age of Roman gladiators, the Dog Brothers regress still further. Standing in a clearing watching two men with sticks circle each other, a nearby percussionist pounding out riffs on an African djembe drum, seems to transport you back in time: For a fleeting instant, you know what it was like 10,000 years ago,

when sticks were the only weapon and the clan gathered to watch two warriors battle for land, a woman or tribal status.

Of course, the Dog Brothers could be seen as a bunch of macho lunatics - and they certainly are - but that perception would overlook something more vital. When they talk about stickfighting being a male-initiation rite in the traditional sense, a truly transforming experience, it's not some New Age con. The courage required to stand up to a 30-inch club (or sometimes two) whizzing at your head is a special commodity in modern society, where computer workstations are a bigger physical threat than a raiding tribe.

As the whipped author and poet Robert Bly pointed out in his book Iron John, the contemporary male seems to have lost contact with that sense of an inner wildman which keeps him strong yet avoids the pitfalls of macho cruelty. Though stickfighting probably isn't the most enlightened way of establishing inner strength, it's revealing that while stickfighting abides by neither rules nor referees, there are also no winners declared and no trophies awarded. Fighters show up merely to test themselves. For example, the Underdog is actually a 50-year-old, 145-pound supplicant named John Salter.

Salter, who was once owner of a medical-management company, picked up the sticks just three years ago without ever having been in a fistfight. Now, he's a combat fanatic.

"The idea is not to hurt people, but to prepare yourself on many levels. It takes over your life, and it's a higher-quality life than I used to be living. I will lose if I don't keep doing this," he says.

It's also telling that most of the crowd at the Dog Brothers' melees seems able to connect with the group's philosophy. Like the fighters, the audience doesn't lust for blood - only for well-executed combat. In part to preserve this respectful atmosphere, the group is comfortable to stay underground.

"I think we've found our proper level," Denny says. "It would have been an experience to fight in the UFC, but the way we do it now feels right. If we fought in a competition, it would be hard to remain friends at the end of the day."

But for the voyeur, violence is often a drug. As people become inured to the bare-knuckle action of the UFC and its ilk, they'll eventually require a stronger fix. Despite the resistance his tamer event has met from cable providers, Davie insists that we'll eventually be able to tune in and see weapons duels on television. One bare-knuckle television tournament, the now-defunct World Combat Championships, wanted the Dog Brothers to compete and actually asked if they would fight without their head protection.

"I talked it over with Top Dog and Salty Dog," Denny says. "We said, 'If you can find the three of us opponents and meet our price, we'll do it. But it's going to be gory.'"

Ultimately, the WCC decided to pass, perhaps sensing that this was one idea best left to the dogs.

Writer Dog Mark Jacobs is a frequent contributor to Men's Fitness.
COPYRIGHT 1998 Weider Publications
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Author: Mark Jacobs
Date: Aug. 1998
From: Men's Fitness(Vol. 14, Issue 😎
Publisher: Weider Publications LLC
"The dog pound"
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Title: Fox Files
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Title: Why We Fight, the parable of the cherry
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