Dog Brothers Public Forum

Agreed that MMA certainly forces you to work a broader range of skills, and I think that's an important aspect. I also think that the scenario training challenges you more emotionally/psychologically than MMA does; that is, if you are realistically replicating real-world, real-scary scenarios where Murphy is God and the violence brought forth by an attacker looks nothing like MMA, then that calls for a different state-of-mind, and also calls for an additional set of tools in the form of fear management, tactical appropriateness/decision-making, identification of pre-contact cues leading up to the attack, etc as well as other 'attributes' such as awareness that sport does not touch on to the same degree.

As I understand, DLO covers all this, and I was only thinking that Kali Tudo could actually be trained in the same way. People have long known through sports science/psychology that exercises and drills that yield the most benefit when it comes to the game have a direct correlation to the game (what they call sport-specificity). The strength exercise that Guro Crafty shows on Kali Tudo 2 is a great example of this.

In the end, I think it all boils down to your specific training goals and what you are training for. Having said all that, the two contexts overlap to be sure, and in my mind, Kali Tudo represents a kind of nexus between the sport world and the 'reality-based' world. I think Kali Tudo certainly could diverge off on a tangent toward scenario training, if one's goals lie in that direction. Or one could remain on the so-called sport path, but at the same time, abide by the criteria for DLO.

On the other hand, although my limited understanding of DLO is that it's weapon-oriented material, if one's goals lie directly in the self-preservation direction, DLO material is probably equally applicable vs unarmed attacks. DLO and KT are simply different pieces of the same puzzle sharing common links - I think I've clarified my own understanding of the differences between the two.

Thanks Guro Crafty. I'm starting to see the picture better and look forward to your further clarification. If I can add another variable to my question:

if the same idiom of movement is required in both KT and DLO in particular, then it seems the difference lies mainly in the context in which these skills are being applied and the relative differences in rhythm/cadence, ritual, environments, opponent's intent, etc. between the two contexts.
 
However, if we are gearing our training primarily for the street, why not work empty-hand vs empty-hand in an adrenal state through scenario training that replicates the same timing/rhythm/cadence/ritual/environmental considerations of the street, exactly like I understand DLO already does, and in that way, enhance consistency across categories? It seems to be taking an indirect route to pressure test EH material through MMA.

Or am I getting close to somewhere near my original question of where do the two programs blur?

I think that depends on what you define as "defanging the snake".  I'd say if you get fingers lopped off or a substantial slash/stab to the hand, then the likelihood that you'll retain your weapon is unlikely.

True, but I guess what I was getting to is that I wouldn't rely on any one tactic... all tactics can fail for whatever reason. Always need a Plan B I like Tony Blauer's take on this that "the superior warrior has no emotional attachment to any particular range of combat", or tactic.

Hi Crafty

When you say all KT material meets DLO criteria, is this a reference to 360 degree awareness for street, or are there more specifics?

Looking forward to KT3 and 4.

very cool promo clip 

The angular brachial stun is a very strong structure capable of being a shot in its own right as demonstrated in the DLO3 clip, as well as an interceptor which a flinching reaction "locks and loads" (the basis of Tony Blauer's SPEAR System). The upper body mechanics of the angular brachial stun are actually similar to Tony's Tactical SPEAR.

I don't know if there's ever been any collaboration, or if it's just that great combative minds come to similar conclusions based off their own experiences, but in my case, as a SPEAR advocate and a fan of FMA, the DLO series represents the possibility of melding these two areas of my interest together. Now I've only gotta order the DVD