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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Getting caught with a blade: conversations with a cop
« on: March 08, 2004, 07:22:03 PM »
Hi Sir:
Thank you for the information and the discussion it caused. I will offer my opinions. I am a Deputy Sheriff for a large nearby county. All of the following is just my opinion, not my agencies.
I love knives, I would own more if I was single, luckly my wife entertains my habit. I am not the most knowledgeble in the area of knife carry but I'll past on what I know. The second web site you refered ( http://www.equalccw.com/knifelaw.html#SECTION%203.7[/url] )to is an excellent site. I highly recommend it to civilians and LEO alike.
I have found that some LEO's are ignorant of the knife laws, and some have strange ideas about what is legal and what is not. But all of the LEO's I know want to make their communities a better place to live. Forgive them if they are a bit rusty, the Penal Code alone is a big book, not to mention the Vehicle Code and all the other ones.
I carry four knives at work on duty, I have two in each of my cars, and I am just now buying a Vaquero Grande for my wife. I recommend that all the Good Guys (civilians too) carry one.
Your Police friend made a comment:
3) If you take out a knife/weapon to show an assailant in order to deter an attack or settle an argument, that's called "brandishing."
In my opinion, it depends on the incident. If you are withdrawing money from an ATM at night when 4 gangmembers suddenly appear holding bats and chains and rush you, and you pull out your REKAT Sifu, that is not brandishing. If you are at a bar, drunk, and don't like the way the no-neck goon looked at your girl and you decide to vocalize your disagreement to him with a blade in your hand, that is brandishing.
Most LEO's will look at the entire situation; I try to. If you are protecting your life, or the life of a family member I think most LEO's will understand. But, then again, I work in high crime area. Beverly Hills PD might look at it completely different.
On being contacted by LEO's:
The following assumptions are that you are a Good Guy (not a gang member, parolee, or you just havent killed your entire family).
If you are packing a blade on your person, please let me know. I want to end the night with all the fingers I started with. Also, dont yell out "I gotta knife!", that makes me scared. I would recommend saying (in a calm voice) something like "Sir, I have a closed folder in my {leftpocket, right belt, left boot, etc}. Also, dont help me by getting it out for me. I can get it on my own if necessary.
If asked why you have it, you can say nothing or I would recommend "I use it at work" or "I fix cars" or anything else. If you say I have it for "self-defense" it tends to send the wrong message. I know why you have it, you know why you have it, and if you are a Good Guy you will be on your way.
If you have it in your pocket or concealed elsewhere on your person, it needs to be a folder in the closed position (refer to that website again). Dont carry illlegal knives, you dont need them. A Sifu, AFCK, Vaquero Grande, or a Camillus Aftermath will probably solve whatever problem you have better than some illegal blade.
The person that had the problem with the Court Deputy is a good example. Most LEO's are not current on the most recent blade laws. Thank goodness that the Sergeant was. If you get jammed by a cop that thinks your blade is illegal, but you know it is not, relax. Most people (LEO's included) don't like to be wrong. If he is going to arrest you because of it, he still has to get his arrest approved by a Sgt. and a Lt. Most likely they will know the law better.
Some counties/cities/munincipal areas have additional laws regarding blades, over and above State law. I wouldn't recommend getting into an arguement with the cop over the latest case law. If he is going to arrest you then he going to arrest you. You have legal recourse in obtaining a lawyer. But I seriously doubt things will go that far.
The website writer refers to cops taking knives that are supposedly illegal. I have never jacked anyones knife. If I did arrest someone for a wepons violation, the knife would be booked into evidence.
I would condense the preceding into a couple of points:
1) Carry a blade (folder)
2) Be cool with the cops, they are the Good Guys like you.
3) If something is not going right with the cops, obey all commands and respectfully request a supervisor.
4) Carry a blade (folder)
5) Carry a blade (folder)
Sorry for the long, rambling, non-flowing post. I am not a knife law guru, but I do know a bit. I have never taken a Good Guy to jail. Hope this helps some.
Thank you for the information and the discussion it caused. I will offer my opinions. I am a Deputy Sheriff for a large nearby county. All of the following is just my opinion, not my agencies.
I love knives, I would own more if I was single, luckly my wife entertains my habit. I am not the most knowledgeble in the area of knife carry but I'll past on what I know. The second web site you refered ( http://www.equalccw.com/knifelaw.html#SECTION%203.7[/url] )to is an excellent site. I highly recommend it to civilians and LEO alike.
I have found that some LEO's are ignorant of the knife laws, and some have strange ideas about what is legal and what is not. But all of the LEO's I know want to make their communities a better place to live. Forgive them if they are a bit rusty, the Penal Code alone is a big book, not to mention the Vehicle Code and all the other ones.
I carry four knives at work on duty, I have two in each of my cars, and I am just now buying a Vaquero Grande for my wife. I recommend that all the Good Guys (civilians too) carry one.
Your Police friend made a comment:
3) If you take out a knife/weapon to show an assailant in order to deter an attack or settle an argument, that's called "brandishing."
In my opinion, it depends on the incident. If you are withdrawing money from an ATM at night when 4 gangmembers suddenly appear holding bats and chains and rush you, and you pull out your REKAT Sifu, that is not brandishing. If you are at a bar, drunk, and don't like the way the no-neck goon looked at your girl and you decide to vocalize your disagreement to him with a blade in your hand, that is brandishing.
Most LEO's will look at the entire situation; I try to. If you are protecting your life, or the life of a family member I think most LEO's will understand. But, then again, I work in high crime area. Beverly Hills PD might look at it completely different.
On being contacted by LEO's:
The following assumptions are that you are a Good Guy (not a gang member, parolee, or you just havent killed your entire family).
If you are packing a blade on your person, please let me know. I want to end the night with all the fingers I started with. Also, dont yell out "I gotta knife!", that makes me scared. I would recommend saying (in a calm voice) something like "Sir, I have a closed folder in my {leftpocket, right belt, left boot, etc}. Also, dont help me by getting it out for me. I can get it on my own if necessary.
If asked why you have it, you can say nothing or I would recommend "I use it at work" or "I fix cars" or anything else. If you say I have it for "self-defense" it tends to send the wrong message. I know why you have it, you know why you have it, and if you are a Good Guy you will be on your way.
If you have it in your pocket or concealed elsewhere on your person, it needs to be a folder in the closed position (refer to that website again). Dont carry illlegal knives, you dont need them. A Sifu, AFCK, Vaquero Grande, or a Camillus Aftermath will probably solve whatever problem you have better than some illegal blade.
The person that had the problem with the Court Deputy is a good example. Most LEO's are not current on the most recent blade laws. Thank goodness that the Sergeant was. If you get jammed by a cop that thinks your blade is illegal, but you know it is not, relax. Most people (LEO's included) don't like to be wrong. If he is going to arrest you because of it, he still has to get his arrest approved by a Sgt. and a Lt. Most likely they will know the law better.
Some counties/cities/munincipal areas have additional laws regarding blades, over and above State law. I wouldn't recommend getting into an arguement with the cop over the latest case law. If he is going to arrest you then he going to arrest you. You have legal recourse in obtaining a lawyer. But I seriously doubt things will go that far.
The website writer refers to cops taking knives that are supposedly illegal. I have never jacked anyones knife. If I did arrest someone for a wepons violation, the knife would be booked into evidence.
I would condense the preceding into a couple of points:
1) Carry a blade (folder)
2) Be cool with the cops, they are the Good Guys like you.
3) If something is not going right with the cops, obey all commands and respectfully request a supervisor.
4) Carry a blade (folder)
5) Carry a blade (folder)
Sorry for the long, rambling, non-flowing post. I am not a knife law guru, but I do know a bit. I have never taken a Good Guy to jail. Hope this helps some.
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