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Anyone in the east Tennessee area?

Rio, I agree with what G.M. said. There is no way to know without an exam, and I would have it checked to be sure. Often, back issues will be there for years before something finally "happens", such as what happened to you. Usually, some benign movement brings on the pain, only to discover the problem has been there for a long time undiagnosed. I hope that it is nothing serious for you. Most are muscular issues and not disc-related like mine, and I hope this is the case with you.

Awesome clip! I really want to come watch a Gathering some day.

Guide Dog, thank you sir, I appreciate it!

I'm grateful that my son returned home yesterday safely from his tour of duty with the USAF in Afghanistan. He was shot once in the body armor and okay, and killed one Taliban on his fourth day in-country when Bagram Air Base had the major attack a few months back. Grateful to God for His protection of my son.

The Dutch guy is the epitome of what a hero really is. He acted out of courage and determination to end the threat, without hesitation nor back-up. He did what was required, I only wish he had killed the terrorist.

Grateful to have had my son, daughter-in-law, and granddaughter in for almost two weeks over the Christmas holidays.

i found that knives that incorporate the liner lock into the knive frame seem to fail more often, i did file down the lock on my kershaw and have had no problems since

That helps a lot, as long as the lock and blade meet up securely. Several manufacturers are actually making them that way, and they all should.

There are some undeniable advantages of an expandable baton/stick over a blade, namely one of distance. It will all come down to the skill levels of the opponents and if the knifer can close to lethal range without getting beat into submission. With a skilled knife guy like Tom Sotis of AMOK or others who train extensively in the blade, unarmed technques stand almost no chance of working. I say almost because nothing is 100%, but with a high skill level in the blade, unarmed options are almost certainly doomed to failue. I would say to test this out in FOF and see for yourself, but that is what I have found. A skilled knifer is a very scary thing, and up close has the advantage even over the gun. I carry all three, but we must know the limitations and advantages of each.

I think cultural differences are an important point to bring up in this discussion. For instance, white folks mostly like to maintain their space and are respectful, while black folks tend to get close and use a lot of hand gestures and motions that look aggressive to those who do not know.

I agree, Tony. Most of them will back down when they see you are not afraid of them and not afraid to state your "no" firmly. I work in LE, and a large percentage of the homeless have some form of mental disorder, and many are under the influence the majority of the time. You really never know exactly who you are dealing with, and it can vary widely from one to another.

VERY interesting article, thanks.

I will be having dinner with Southnark this Thursday.  Apart from the pleasure of good conversation, there will be one business item discussed: DBMA will be carrying SN's "Managing Unknown Contact" DVD.  In my opinion this is an outstanding piece of work.  (PS:  I have a brief cameo in it as a Bad Guy )

That is good to know. I don't have that one yet, but have heard his lecture. Please give him my regards and well wishes.

I agree that either a Kerambit of PD would be much harder to justify legally than a folder that any average joe would carry. Much better to look like a normal tool that was "pressed into use for defense of your life" than something that is obviously carried as a weapon. As an LEO, I am less concerned about that than a citizen would be, even when off, because I am expected to carry weapons to defend myself with. It would be much easier for me to justify it that someone who is a school teacher or doctor. It can be done, but it would be more difficult.

I have seen a lot of people slashed and stabbed over the years, and while slashes are very horrific looking wounds, I have not seen many that resulted in death. I have seen a lot of stab wounds that have resulted in death.

I've been through SouthNarc's class where he discussed Managing Unknown Contacts, and it is excellent. Most of it is material that is unknown outside of law enforcement circles, and his many years of being robbed while acting as a decoy have given him a unique insight that most do not have.

I have found that a firm, "NO", along with a fence tends to deter all but the most aggressive. If they agress beyond that point after doing this, then you have a pretty good idea of what you are about to deal with.

Hello-this is my first post-Thought I would send some info on us older guys and working out/training: While I was on active duty in the USMC I went to interrigation school at Fort Holibird Md-One of the students in our class was a Green Baret (going to VietNam for the 3rd time) He was a masterSgt-he sort of took me under his  wing and gave me some good advice-always keep on   training-that was in 1967  (i think)-well now its 2008 and i am going t0 be 70 in sep-i still am working out/rolling some times/still taking H2H classes-
took a weeks class in KM in portugal last  year and that was great-point is never ever give up-semper fi--glad to  be part of the forum-whitewolf in kuwait

I see you get around as well! You'll like it here.

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I have been wanting this DVD for some time, and plan on getting it soon. Thanks for the review.

Save time money, buy the whole set at one time.

Believe me, I would love to, but I am a poor working stiff.

And I'm not??

Apparently not. I believe you're independently wealthy. For the first time in many years, I am really having to watch what I purchase and cut back. Honestly, I had forgotten what that was like. I remember now---it sucks.

Mas Ayoob is a certified court expert in use of force.  He runs LFI (Lethal Force Institute - a shooting school) which most lawyers agree gives more information and facts with regard to the use of lethal force than any law school class.

If you haven't read "In the Gravest Extreme" you should.

What he actually recommends is asking who the police union uses and contact him before you need him, then keep his card with you.
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I agree with Grimel. While Mas tends to do things to promote himself and sometimes alters his views on certain firearms or ammunition to suit the whims of the manufacturer he is promoting, his knowledge of self-defense law is greater than most lawyers. He has testified as an expert witness in many high profile murder trials, both for and against police officer, and citizens as well. He has a wealth of knowledge, and his book "In the Gravest Extreme", while dated, offers information that all citizens should have regarding self-defense. When it first came out, there were many who said that it was a textbook on how to get away with murder. I don't see it that way, but the material in it can certainly save you a lot of grief if you ever kill someone in self-defense. The book covers generalities and is not state or city specific, but is an overall broad-brush of self-defense law and how it applies.

The bottom line on self-defense is that it is highly variable on what you can and cannot do, based upon where you live. Whereas in TN or TX you might be given a medal and steak dinner, in California or NY you well could end up in prison. Know your state and local laws regarding self-defense, and spend some time talking to a highly regarded criminal defense attorney in your area that has tried many capital cases.

I learned about this in one of the above posts and ordered the DVD. It is awesome, and this is going to become a staple in my workout. I had an excellent phone conversation with Diamond Dallas Page today about working out and YRG, and he invited anyone who is in the Los Angeles area to come and workout with them for free. I know that Crafty likes Yoga, and it would be great if he could give it a try and post his impressions.  Below is a consolidation of some posts I wrote about on warriortalk about YRG.

I read about this over on Crafty's forum, where it came highly recommended. It is a form of Yoga developed by former pro wrestler "Diamond Dallas Page", who says he rebuilt his back and body after some pretty serious injuries. It came highly recommended on the DBMA forum, and I have just ordered one of the DVD's to try. As I get older, I am constantly looking for new ways to workout and maintain my flexibility. Check out the video link for this Army vet who was pretty much a cripple and dropped over 100 lbs. It is quite inspirational to see him go from barely walking with crutches to running! Wow. I hope to have half the warrior spirit this guy does.

One of Diamond Dallas's staples seems to be the 30 second push-up. 10 seconds from up position to down, 10 seconds in down position, and then 10 seconds as he comes up. It appears to be "yoga modified", with more strength and cardio moves built in, as well as the flexibility aspect.

Does anyone here use this?

Link: http://www.yrgworkoutllc.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=134&Item id=64

Link for Yoga For Regular Guys: http://www.yrgworkoutllc.com/joomla/...tpage&Itemid=1

Well, I just finished it. At least, I guess I finished it, though I had to rest for a few seconds and regroup on some of the exercises. It was very, very tough. I got the 60 minute fat-burner YRG, which DDP says is the toughest. I believe it.

My whole body was shaking about halfway through it, and my heart rate was definitely up for most of the DVD. I was sweating a bunch too. This is not your typical spandex-girl Yoga DVD.

Initial impressions: it was less of a stretch than a traditional Yoga workout, but great in it's own right. I liked it, and if you can do EVERYTHING in this DVD without resting, you would be in some kind of great shape. It was a tremendous lower body workout, and while the core was engaged for many of the poses, there were not any core-specific exercises. However, as I said, many of the poses give you a lot of core engagement. The upper body portion is limited to very slow push-ups, starting with lowering yourself in 3 seconds, bottom hold for 3 seconds, and raising up in 3 seconds. Later in the DVD, it progresses to 5 seconds each, and then 10 seconds lower, 10 seconds bottom, 10 seconds on the way up. That was very tough after doing it a few times. Much different usage of the muscles than typcial weight exercises. I also think that the exercises in this video will promote a tremendous sense of balance after using it for a while. While it will not be my only workout, it is a good supplement and something different to do on a regular basis. I liked it.


Just finished my second YRG w/o, and I'm starting to get the hang of the poses. Still not easy, but definitely easier than the first time. I think once I get the hang of all of the poses and my body gets used to being in them, I will be much more comfortable doing them. I believe this is a w/o I will do for a long time, and will be a good adjunct to my fitness plan. I even managed to do all of the 30 second push-ups this time through.

I talked with DDP this afternoon, and he is a way cool guy and I greatly enjoyed our conversation. He has lots of good stuff in the works, and some more really great ideas for even harder YRG workouts in the near future. I look foward to those projects.

What impressed me about DDP is that he really CARES. He isn't here just to sell a product, he is selling the product because he believes in it and wants to help people change their lives and fitness levels. By the testominials on his website, he is well on the way. The project with Warner Brothers is going to be huge if it comes to fruition, and it sounds like it will. The YRG program will really take off when this happens.

DDP talked with me at length about my training and really emphasized why I need to use a heart monitior. He told me a story about Mark Allen--the champion triathlete and his training. Mark had won many Ironman's back to back, but all of a sudden at 35 (I think that's what DDP said), he lost and did not do well at all. He met with a doc who is very knowledgeable about fitness training about how to improve himself, rather than give up and accept that he wasn't as fast as he once was. (I forget the doc's name, but DDP told me). The doc said that he was training TOO intensely and that he needed to stay in his target training zone. This doc uses 180 minus your age. Mark tried this for a while, but was running 7-7:30 miles when he was used to running 5 minute miles for 26 miles. He did not think it would work, but the doc said to trust him. DDP compared this to a Mercedes with 300,000 miles on it. It is a well made machine and okay to run it hard some, but not all the time. Mark decided to continue with the doc's training method and then won then next 3 or so Ironman's. This is very interesting to me. I have always thought intensity is good to a point, but not constantly. This jives with what this doc says.

Hey brother, good to see you over here.

I find it interesting that many of the security folks on cruise lines are actually Ghurkas, though they are unarmed.

I just placed the order for the 60 minute Yoga For Regular Guys DVD. Their is a very good video on that website about a former Army guy who could only walk with crutches and looked like he was on death's doorstep. He totally rebuilt his body in about a year, lost 100 lbs. and was running at the end of the video. Quite a transformation, and very inspirational!

This is a great thread with a lot of good info.

I have found that as I get older (47), I can still work out intensely, but I don't do so for as long in duration (limiting w/o's to 30-40 minutes per session), and I require more rest in between workouts. I've been training for about 35 years now continuously, and I just can't train as long as I used to. In my younger days, I could really abuse my body and recover from it very quickly, and I could go full contact and really take a pounding with no ill effects. I also have to vary my workout from day to day more, and I use a lot more bodyweight and kettlebell exercises than I used to. No more heavy lifting for me either. If I can't do at least 4 reps with the weight, I no longer do it, and no longer seek one rep maximums. Stretching and cardio has become more important, and I am going to implement more yoga into the mix. Thanks for the suggestion of Yoga For Regular Guys--I'm going to be getting that one.

Hi Gents,

Another new guy here. Many of you I know from warriortalk and other forums, and I see many familiar names here. I have been meaning to stop by here for a while.

A little about me: I am a Deputy Sheriff for a fairly rural county in TN, and have been in law enforcement and security work for over 2 decades (that means I'm old!). I started training in martial arts when I was about 12, starting with Judo, Tae Kwon Do, Isshin-Ryu, etc. In the police academy in 1986, we received a lot of defensive tactics training, and I went on to become a DT instructor at my old department, and spent many years on SWAT.  I also trained for several years in Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu and Krav Maga. Most recently, I have been training in WWII combatives on my own, and with a local instructor who has a strong background in Judo, Silat and Panantukan. I have attended seminars in AMOK from Tom Sotis, and a couple with Crafty at the Warrior Talk Symposium. I wish I lived close enough for much more training with Crafty, and hope to in the future. I also have taken several gun and knife classes from Gabe Suarez.

It's great to be here, and I look forward to learning and talking with everyone.