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i am on a computer where copy paste are not working, but on ferfal.blogspot.com there is a video from last week if you scroll down and click older posts, the knife attack video in argentina, a guy stabs more than one cop and kills one. first video like this i have seen. pretty brutal.

There is a video on you tube of Top Dog sport knife fighting with a guy who is using mow-saks. Top Dog was using the ice pick grip and as i was watching a couple questions arose:

how many sharp edges were pretended to be on the fake knife in the video? double or single edge?

if it was single edge, would it be more effective to have the edge facing the self, so it cuts in and down on the strokes that looked like they were returning toward the self?

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Quote from: tim nelson on January 03, 2011, 10:51:41 PM

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/search/label/Self-Defense?updated-max=2009-03-12T10%3A25%3A00-07%3A00&max-results=20

on this link i am pointing out the two you tubes about a kiai master, the first shows him with his students in training, the second showing him fighting an mma guy, the video speaks a volume or two to me.

thanks Tim, good link. Although, the old man accepted the bet and all, I think that this total materialisation of "truth" lately, especially since the mma and nhb has taken off in martial arts, is just sad.

The logic of "testing" like this seems completely flawed to me. You take some guys art, take it out of its context and put it in context where YOUR art is proven to work the best.

Think of it as a sumo wrestler loosing in MMA. Does this prove that mma is the ultimate contact sport ? Not at all, it means that in that specific set of conditions, sumo might be insufficient in some parts of the endeavor. Switch the positions, and take the mma guy to the dohyo. Does it mean that sumo is the ultimate full contact sport ? Not at all, it means that in that specific set of conditions, MMA might be insufficient in some parts of the endeavor.

btw Stickgrappler, incredible link.

Andrew


i agree, also how i see this clip of the master is that this situation shows that with unwilling partners or with people that are under the influence of a figure head his "magic" is less or not effective at all. To me it's like being a survival instructor, i am telling all these people how good i am and how good they all are and could be. How we can all hunt and trap our own food, we practice with our weapons and are really accurate. Then someone bets us to go out and do it, where before we never actually killed anything. And what happens, we don't kill anything. And I could say it was out of context. Sure it was, we actually tried to do what we said we were training for. I see it similiarly here, I imagine some of his students expected to see him flip flop this uncooperating guy around like them.

Do we know if this show was trying to prove who has the ultimate full contact sport? And if we took this mma guy to where the master tosses his students around would he be tossed around like a doll? I bet he would if he went to a sumo dohyo, probably because the sumos know what they are doing.

I see the clip more as a view into reality, not so much as to further disgrace someone as worthless.

this quick story i am going to share was inspired by a download link that is on the page Crafty just posted, about a book 'NATO Emergency War Surgery.' on:

http://modernsurvivalonline.com/top-10-downloads-you-should-have/

back in october 2 friends and i went into a large watershed wilderness. we expected to be out for 2 weeks, trapping beaver mostly for food and fishing as a supplement. well after travelling all day and carrying a large canoe between 5 lakes, at sunset one guy put his axe into his lower leg 4 inches long to the bone the whole way, the meaty part on the outer leg from the close to surface shin bone. anyways, we taped it up and moved him. he wasn't supposed to move as he did, but we were carrying the canoe and he walked away and ended up losing more than half his blood the hospital later said. that could have killed many people. and we made a stretcher and he was too heavy for 2 of us. it took 5 of us to carry him out during rescue for a mile or so and it was a workout.

so major lesson: don't move anyone with a serious wound even if its closed up and not bleeding much, it will trigger major bleeding and likely eventual death.

the rescue was quite an ordeal, we boated in, and it took from 6pm time of injury to 5 am next morning until an EMT was kneeling next to him.

http://elyecho.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=2&ArticleID=10757&TM=55111.63

this guy     http://ferfal.blogspot.com/    says he lives in argentina and went through their economic collapse, i like what he says and i think he's pretty level headed. and he comes from another viewpoint that is not purely doom and destruction of everything modern. if nothing else a different angle is refreshing.

surely, seems to have been a brain fart figuring bolo would be housed in mma thread

we were out on a wide creek flat with lots of willow shrubs, some up to wrist diameter, and were cutting the stems/trunks before the buds opened so the new growth would be long and flexible without any forks and branching for basketry in the future, producing nice basket material,

well while swinging the machete around i was experimenting with the stick swinging i was used to, to get the machete to cut effectively took something a little different in the arc, more of a cutting arc than i notice with a stick, and a downward swing made the trunk split more often, so i decided to try the bolo swing and it was quite fun practicing the bolo with a machete cutting stuff while getting a task done, i sure wouldn't want to get hit by a bolo swing, the force with the blade was hitting hard through the wood                tim

howdy folks, so i have been recently introduced to systema, my question is what does anyone know about systema, is the stuff being taught to non-spetsnaz people being watered down to dojo martial arts?  i havent seen it yet on video clips being used against a resisting person{s}. and i just wonder how effective is its potential? before investing large amounts of time into it,

and so far i am impressed with the teaching progression, joint moving and relaxation, involvement of body alignment and movement, avoiding strikes, taking strikes like hitting each other rolling with it, multiple opponent skills, funky angle striking, and maybe other stuff.
 
as i  understand it, systema was born from traditional russian martial arts, and during cold war those rma's were tested in laboratory observed settings, such as: the russian special forces called spetsnaz would be put in a room with a gulag death row inmate, the inmate as told if he wins by killing the other he goes free. and it as 3 on 5 2 on 2, 1 on 3, varios numbers, and inmates vs. inmates, and spetsnaz vs. each other too. and this was observed to see what worked, along with hybriding other systems. this is what i heard by a friend who is into it deeply, training in systema i mean deeply.

i have been hit and am impressed with the power and angles, and taking shots, seems similiar to the hammer fist type strikes in a new video clip on this website.  the gulag stuff aside, systema does seem to stem from the spetsnaz, as in not falsified. so it coming from a real life use background that is recent and current.

my question is what does anyone know about systema, is the stuff being taught to non-spetsnaz people being watered down to dojo martial arts, i havent seen it yet on video clips being used against a resisting person{s}.      thanx,    tim