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Politics & Religion / Re: Lloyd De Jongh's thread.
« on: July 01, 2020, 10:58:55 PM »
Do nothing Republicans... Play weak games, win no prizes.
Democrats are getting things done. The "Preparations" conservatives are making are for a last ditch defense when all is lost. Do nothing, and wait for the assault. Yep, that's an effective strategy that is dealing with the Communist takeover of media, universities, schools, law enforcement, government, social media, public organisations, churches, destruction of national symbols, corruption of language, rewriting of law, undermining the Constitution of the United States, destruction of the 1st Amendment. All this losing is not due to the amazing effectiveness of your response.

Politics & Religion / Re: Lloyd De Jongh's thread.
« on: June 18, 2020, 08:51:47 AM »
Every time I speak up I get reported and banned on FB, however we are morally obligated to speak up nonetheless.
Enough "individuality", it's time to speak and act as a group to be heard.

Politics & Religion / PAssivity - brought to you by Republicans
« on: June 18, 2020, 07:16:39 AM »
30 days from now. Wrong by how much?

It could be that saying "tut tut" where FB can't hear you, or being polite so you don't offend the crazy people isn't working well as  a strategy.

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Politics & Religion / Re: zoom?
« on: June 15, 2020, 08:21:31 AM »
Zoom is definitely in bed with the Chicoms, as is Google.
YouTube is for public cat videos, Zoom is for video conferencing.
I can recommend Webex from Cisco Systems, which is on par with Zoom and comes highly recommended as an alternative for group video conferencing and training.

how is zoom different from youtube?

Politics & Religion / Re: Lloyd De Jongh's thread.
« on: June 14, 2020, 10:13:02 AM »
It should be noted that while Signal is the name of the app developed by Open Whisper Systems, Signal is a protocol for secured communications, encrypted end-to-end.
WhatsApp uses the Signal protocol now, due to public pressure after the FB purchase. Signal was co-developed by one of the co-founders of WhatsApp.

It is limited to 1-1 comms, and doesn't support group chat to my knowledge.

URL for Signal?

Zoom is effectively a Chinese-owned and controlled company. Much of its development happens in China, and a significant number of Zoom calls are routed via China, despite originating and terminating in the US or Europe.
The bugs in Zoom are a feature


just another example of how our IT companies cancel out what they deem as politically incorrect

inside the US they silence conservatives and undermine US sovereignty
outside the US they side with Communists to silence freedom of thought , subverting American values for profit.

Zoom just collaborated with the Chinese state to suppress information about the slaughter of freedom fighters in Beijing's Tiananmen Square 31 years ago.
Reuters: Zoom suspends U.S.-based activists' account after hosting Tiananmen commemoration

Politics & Religion / #antiwhitetuesday
« on: June 13, 2020, 03:23:44 AM »

Communists must choose a class to hate, it is part of the dialectic, a fundamental part of the Marxist doctrine. You're the chosen hated class.

Politics & Religion / Money or morals?
« on: June 05, 2020, 05:26:23 AM »
This is a modified version of a message I sent out regarding a different group taking offense at me posting FBI and BJS statistics. Make of it what you will.
We all agree that what happened to George Floyd was a tragedy, and that the law enforcement officers involved needed to be investigated for their actions and charged if need be. And they have been. Justice was served on them.


If people in [Group] are offended due to the fact that I used my right to free speech to speak a message backed by statistical fact, then it's fair that I am offended that this group has many people in support of a narrative that has led to large-scale illegality and violence - including murder, arson, property destruction, rioting, theft, looting and terror on the streets of the US.

These acts adversely impacted black communities by killing black citizens, destroying black businesses and furthered the aims of a domestic terror group.

I disavow and disassociate from anyone who supports these illegal riots, attempts to misrepresent them as merely protests when they are manifestly not, who would smear any and all police as thugs, thereby endangering good policemen, and smear any and all whites as racist - thereby demonising them and ultimately justifying harmful action against them. I too have been smeared as racist for disagreeing with the false narrative presented by these groups and individuals for speaking counter to it.

If [Group]'s leadership is happy to make a public statement along the lines outlined above, the exact wording to be determined, I will be happy to do a joint event. However, failing such a public statement, I cannot work alongside a group that has significant sympathies towards destructive riots, violent rioters and domestic terror groups.

Anyone who supports the US Constitution, the rule of law, peaceful protest and rejects toxic narratives should be willing to issue a statement establishing their position and disavowing support of such activity, discouraging it strongly among their membership, thereby making their position clear among their supporters.

I can not actively, knowingly pursue business interests with a group that has a significant number of its members supportive of the lawlessness that occurred this past week, or sympathetic to its perpetrators. That there is an angry reaction to statistics refuting various of their talking points is an indication of their leanings.

To do otherwise is to imply that I am 'wrong' and that they are 'right'. Since I am sure there is no mob pressure since these are peaceful, reasonable individuals, and thus no fear of speaking the facts freely, there should be no fear of caving to a mob in any respect.

I will not let my skills be transmitted to those who may use them for ill.


Number of people shot to death by the police in the United States from 2017 to 2020, by race

Notice that white people in America are shot at a greater rate. They are a larger proportion of the population. How would those figures look if the populations were equal, or reversed.

That said, where are the riots for unfair white deaths at the hands of police?

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Politics & Religion / Wigs vs Science
« on: June 04, 2020, 07:50:13 PM »
Science teaches us the following scientific formula based on science:
    Hairy chest + scrotum + wig = woman.

As a direct consequence of this scientific formula we can infer that
    A) Chest hair is a social construct
    B) Women's breasts are a social construct. Plus the product of surgery and bags of silicon/salt water, presumably.
    C) A man with a wig is a woman. This one is asserted, not inferred

In response to my posts using FBI UCR and BJS statistics on black violence rates and the issues of violence within black culture that go unspoken and investigated, I did not receive any statistics back as refutation. I got moralising lectures. Moralising lectures are not refutations of science, just as bags of silicon grafted onto a man do not make him a woman.

There did occur the miracle of reinterpretation and the subsequent dismissal of statistics as being imprecise and subjective, open to interpretation.

Fortunately, the factless moral screed had a wig on, which made it science. Fundamental transformation requires only a wig. Statistics are verboten.

I was informed by a good friend that I really should not post on FB for a while (I have another 30 day ban, so that's unlikely anyway). He wants the tensions to die down.

My egregious error was to post violence statistics from the FBI UCR data set, the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) and articles analysing and discussing their findings on black vs white, black vs US population and black vs black crime. This angered many people and had me called a racist more than once. I'm black, from Africa. You tell me.

Am I correct in understanding that I do not understand racism, coming from what liberals have cited as the most racist society on earth - that being Apartheid South Africa?

Am I to understand that I do not understand the phenomenon of black political supremacy when the Antifa/BLM of South Africa, the Socialist ANC, Communist trained revolutionaries, said precisely the same things about white people, said precisely the same about black people, then rioted, looted, burned, destroyed, killed en masse and took over the country?

It looks like free speech for them but not for me, because cowardice and fear in the face of peaceful protesters. Or are they not so peaceful and well-intentioned?

Politics & Religion / Hamas
« on: February 07, 2018, 08:17:50 AM »

Also known as the Islamic Resistance Movement. Their aims are in their Charter. From the preamble:

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory, [founder of the Muslim Brotherhood]).

Article 2: The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Moslem Brotherhood ...

Article 5: ... the Koran is its constitution.

Article 7: It goes back to ... the Jihad operations of the Moslem Brotherhood in 1968 and after.

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

Article 8: Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.

Article 11: The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day.

This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement.

So note - "Palestine" is Waqf, or endowment. The charter specifies that the land was conquered by the Muslims and thus must never pass out of their hands as it is now consecrated to Allah. Their aim, in the full document, is to return it to Islamic control. And again, Jihad has a strictly military connotation.

Politics & Religion / The literal word of Allah... Quran 13:41
« on: January 30, 2018, 06:14:21 AM »
“Do they not see that We are advancing in the land, diminishing it by its borders on all sides?”

This is part of the preamble to the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran

An Ideological Army

In the formation and equipping of the country's defense forces, due attention must be paid to faith and ideology as the basic criteria.  Accordingly, the Army of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps are to be organized in conformity with this goal, and they will be responsible not only for guarding and preserving the frontiers of the country, but also for fulfilling the ideological mission of jihad in God's way;

that is, extending the sovereignty of God's law throughout the world (this is in accordance with the Koranic verse

"Prepare against them whatever force you are able to muster, and strings of horses, striking fear into the enemy of God and your enemy, and others besides them" [Quran 8:60].

Science, Culture, & Humanities / Native American history - a perspective
« on: January 15, 2018, 11:10:40 AM »
Let's look at some Native American history.

Blame is often placed on white people for "land theft", with the subtle, unspoken implication that no other group did this. How non-white groups murdered each other, stole land, stole resources or their (highly primitive) pre-contact developmental status vs European settlers, is rarely critically discussed.

The benefits and upliftment brought by Westerners to these regions and people is overlooked. The bias against Western civilisation, and white people in particular, is powerful.

In Crow Creek, South Dakota, archeologists found the scalped, mutilated bodies of 486 men, old women and children. There were few bodies of young women because they were taken as sex slaves. The entire settlement was wiped out in a fight over, according to archeologists, arable land. This was in the mid-1300s, well before Columbus.

Indian tribes were battling each other constantly. French explorer Pierre La Vérendrye was one of the first Europeans to learn about the Assiniboine Cree and the Sioux. In 1743 he reported that "from time immemorial they have been deadly enemies".

A French priest wrote about a battle in 1742 in which the Assiniboine Cree killed or captured 270 Sioux. That would have been the population of an entire village at that time.

At about the same time the Crow Indians drove the original settlers out of the Yellowstone Valley. They ultimately found themselves surrounded by hostile tribes, and would likely have been exterminated except that they had an alliance with the US Cavalry, who protected them.

The Muscogee and Choctaw had a land dispute in 1790, where 500 were slaughtered in a single battle.

In the 18th century the Blackfoot tribe took the land of the Kootenai Indians, the Flathead Indians and part of the Shoshone lands.

The Hopi and the Zuni fought over arable land. After the Comanche got horses they drove the Osage, the Cheyenne and the Arapaho out of their hunting grounds.

During the Civil War the Comanche pushed white settlers in Texas 100 miles back to the east. They raided as far as 400 miles into Mexico, where they took thousands of slaves.
Parts of northern Mexico were almost completely depopulated because of Comanche raids.

The Sioux call themselves Lakota, which means "allies". Other tribes call them Sioux, a name the Ojibwa gave them meaning "snakes" or "enemies". They were originally from the Great Lakes but were pushed west by the Ojibwa and the Cree. Over a period of 200 years they fought at least 28 different tribes and drove the following people off their land:

The Sioux lands, recognised in an 1868 treaty with US government, were all taken from other tribes who were there first.

The largest battles that the Lakota/Sioux fought against the US Cavalry, including Little Bighorn, were over land that originally belonged to other Indian tribes.

In Montana in 1866 the Piggin Indians apparently killed more than 300 Crow in a single battle. This is more than the highest estimated casualty counts for Indians in any engagement with the US Army.

Post-contact with European settlers in the 19th century, more Indians in the West died fighting each other than died fighting with the settlers.

Raiding other people's lands kept these tribes so occupied that they failed to develop any kind of modern science, medicine, plumbing, technology, housing, engineering or even create a unified country, remaining essentially Stone Age people until the arrival of the European settlers, who brought modern science and technology with them.

I don't want to be unkind, but a deeper, more honest discussion of both sides of the issue is long overdue.

Politics & Religion / Re: Islam - Education, Rebuttals and Counter-Terror
« on: October 11, 2017, 12:42:45 PM »
These people can't be more blatant about their intentions. Why are they still operating?

More about them:

The full document quoted above:

Politics & Religion / Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA)
« on: October 11, 2017, 12:33:52 PM »
So I did some reading from an organisation called the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) and found this handy guide to Jihad. They're an offshoot of the Muslim Students Association of America (MSA).

According to their web site:
Purpose:To seek the pleasure of Allah through the struggle of Iqamat-ud-Deen [establishment of the Islamic system of life] as spelled out in the Qur'an and the Sunnah of [Muhammad]

Let's have a look at their manual, perhaps we will be educated as their adherents are. I especially loved their definition of Jihad at 113, below. 

Islamic Circle of North America - Tarbiyah Guide

Overemphasizing certain conspicuous works, even to the point of going against the Sunnah: Some people become fixated on a certain type of work to the point where Satan can incite them on account of it to go against the Sunnah or to violate Islamic law. Take jihad for instance, since some of our young people today have become very interested in it. No doubt it is a great act of devotion. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “There are one hundred levels in Paradise that Allah has prepared for those who engage in jihad for the cause of Allah. The distance between any two levels is like the distance between the sky and the Earth.”111 

He also said that the pinnacle of Islam is jihad in the way of Allah.112 Allah makes jihad the greatest of works when he says: “Do you consider the giving of drink to the pilgrims or the maintenance of the Sacred Mosque equal to the service of those who believe in Allah and the Last Day and strive113 with might and main in the cause of Allah? They are not equal in the sight of Allah; and Allah guides not those who do wrong. Those who believe and emigrate and strive with might and main in Allah’s cause with their wealth and their lives have the highest rank in the sight of Allah. They are the people who shall achieve success. Their Lord gives them glad tidings of mercy from Himself, of His good pleasure, and of Gardens for them wherein are delights that endure. They will dwell therein forever. Verily with Allah is a great reward.” 
[Sûrah al-Tawbah: 19-22]. 
110 Ibn al-Jawzî, Talbîs Iblîs (280-283). Al-Minbariyyah Publishers. 
111 Sahîh al-Bukhârî (2790). 
112 Musnad Ahmad (21542). Sunan al-Tirmidhî (2616). Sunan Ibn Mâjah (3973). 
113 The word Allah used in Arabic is: wa Jaahada Fee Sabeelillah - meaning: made Jihad in the path of Allah. It is incorrect to translate the word Jihad to mean strive/striving because Jihad is a legal terminology with a specific meaning, and that is, fighting in the path of Allah and the struggle therein. Translating the word Jihad to mean 'Striving' is misleading as it gives a meaning different to the intending meaning in the verse. Unfortunately, this error has become a common practice amongst the translators, so let them be careful from falling into such errors. 

Politics & Religion / Islam - Education, Rebuttals and Counter-Terror
« on: October 03, 2017, 12:16:27 PM »
This question arises often enough to be worthy of examination. The short answer is of course 'no'.

Can Islam be reformed?

Q5.3 "This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion."

It would seem contradictory to reform what is deemed perfect.

Reform is a crime in Islam, in that it may contradict Sharia Law. To quote highly regarded Islamic scholars in the Hadith:

  • The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Every innovation is misguidance and going astray" Reported by Abu Daawood (no. 4607), at-Tirmidhee (no. 2676)
  • And he (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) also said: "… and every innovation is misguidance and all misguidance is in the Hellfire." Reported by an-Nasaa'ee (1/224) from Jaabir bin Abdullaah and it is saheeh as declared by Shaikh ul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah in Majmoo' ul-Fataawaa (3/58)

To quote from the highly respected and authoritative manual of Sharia Law, The Reliance of the Traveller:

Reliance B7.2: Scholarly Consensus Is Legally Binding (see B7.1 for definition of 'Concensus')

When the four necessary integrals of consensus exist, the ruling agreed upon is an authoritative part of Sacred Law that is obligatory to obey and not lawful to disobey. Nor can mujtahids of a succeeding era make the thing an object of new ijtihadm because the ruling on it, verified by scholarly consensus, is an absolute legal ruling which does not admit of being contravened or annulled.

It is not possible within Islam to redefine what has been codified in law, since the the previous definitions and conclusions within Islam have legislative authority:
Imaam al-Shatibee in his excellent work, al-I'tisaam, has provided the most comprehensive, concise and definitive legislative definition of al-bid'ah

The common name for the desire to introduce change or reinterpret Islam is Bid'ah (innovation), which means 'a newly invented matter'.

Politics & Religion / Re: Islam - Education, Rebuttals and Counter-Terror
« on: October 03, 2017, 12:12:56 PM »
Very good to have you with us again Martel.

Thank you, Crafty. Never underestimate the good you do in the world by providing this discussion forum.

Politics & Religion / Islam - Education, Rebuttals and Counter-Terror
« on: October 02, 2017, 11:12:00 AM »
An article I published elsewhere that may be useful reading...

Understanding Islam’s core religious texts

There’s something different about Islam. Many of us realise this is the case, many have an undefined feeling that there is something ‘wrong’ with it that is at odds with our Western values, but are unable to articulate it.

Perhaps my extensive learning and experience in the subject of Islam after more than a decade working in the Middle East may be of value to those who have found themselves browbeaten by Islamic apologists and wished they had good rebuttals, for those interested in Christian outreach to Muslims, or people that just want to understand Islam.

Discussion about Islam is surrounded by a great deal of ignorance, assumptions and emotion – however these only cloud the issue. The way to truth is through facts.

My intention is that the information that I share will be useful to any who want discuss the subject of Islam and the recent major Jihad attacks intelligently, to rebut often dishonest or misguided arguments, and understand the threat of supremacist political groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and the ultimate motivation and methodology behind Jihad. It is easy to spot where a bomb went off, it’s harder to trace networks and subtle, subversive political and social infiltration.

Recently I participated in a university forum dedicated to counter-terrorism. The particular discussion topic was ‘religious terror’, however we were explicitly advised by moderators to leave any discussion of religion out of the subject of ‘religious terror’. Though of course if Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism were discussed or even criticised this was allowed without objection.

There was, of course, one religion that when mentioned, even in the most respectful and scholarly fashion with detailed references, even when referencing the public quotations, publications or documents from terror groups and their leaders, would receive almost immediate objection and accusations of the dreaded ‘Islamophobia’.

Any comments relating to the recent major acts of terror by Muslims in Europe and America were met with i) “This has nothing to do with Islam” and ii) “You’re an Islamophobic racist if you want to discuss a connection between terrorists shouting ‘Allahu Akbar!’ (Allah is greater! [than your God]) while murdering Westerners and Islam”. These claims were made by Muslim housewives, graphic artists and clerical workers who seemed to be on the forum purely to police any discussion of Islam and complain vehemently to the moderators about how offended they were.

No genuine discussion of the motives and doctrine of the terrorists was allowed by the university staff. Both our next and current generation of academics, terror analysts and policy makers seem required to bury their heads in the sand and remain in denial.

Detailed references to the most authentic Islamic sources will be invaluable for those wanting factual informationon Islam, its political and social aims in the West, its ideology, common arguments and methods.

Much ignorance exists among Western policy makers, researchers and the otherwise educated, it is also surprising to me how Christians and Westerners are apologists for Islam and defend those expressing an ideology that intends to subjugate them.

For the record, I have good Muslim friends. From my interactions I realised that I know more about the doctrine and history of Islam than they do, and the Muslims I have (carefully and respectfully) spoken to on the subject. I have visited nearly every country in the Middle East multiple times working in a sensitive role.

Let me set a foundation.

I will cite only the most authentic, credible Islamic sources to present the theology, ideology and doctrine of Islam. A simple rule is that Islam is what is found in the Quran and the sayings and actions of Mohammed. If it is found there it is Islamic, no matter what your neighbour or colleague says or feels.

Islamic doctrine is found in 3 works of literature

  • Quran
  • Hadith (A collection of reports describing the words, actions, or habits of Mohammed)
  • Sira (Mohammed’s biography, first collected together by Ibn Ishaq).

These works are listed in order of their relative importance.

There are strong and weak Hadith. The most authentic or sound collection of Hadith is considered to be that written by Bukhari followed by Muslim, referred to as Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. Sahih means ‘sound’, denoting good, reliable, strong or trustworthy.

The Quran contains a little bit more than 150 000 words, it is roughly the length of the New Testament.
The Sira is a little bit over 290 000 words.The Hadith of Bukhari is a little over 640 000 words, containing several thousand reports.
The Hadith + Sira = the Sunnah of Mohammed. The Sunnah + Quran = the primary sources for i) Islamic theology and ii) Shariah, Islamic Sacred Law.
The Sunnah are the record of the teachings, deeds and sayings, permissions and disapprovals of Mohammed, as well as reports about his companions. Sunnah is also defined as a path, a way, a manner of life (thus making Islam a social order as well); the Sunnah contains the traditions and practices of Mohammed that have become the ideal model to be followed by Muslims, since Mohammed is regarded as the perfect Muslim.

Often the “You’re quoting that out of context!” argument is used to deligitimise the use of uncomfortable passages from the Quran, and it is true that the Quran makes statements that often lack context. The Hadith collections and the Sira provide that context.

Then there are the Tafsir, commentaries on the by Quran by revered scholars of Islam. Literally, Tafsir means ‘interpretation’ and is the equivalent of Christian exegesis. Tafsir deals with linguistics, jurisprudence (law) and theology – and the Tafsir often provide detailed additional context for verses in the Quran.

One of the best online resources for searching and comparing the Quran, Hadith and Tafsir is

For example, use Quranx to compare Q4.34 (Quran Chapter 4, Verse 34): “As for women of whom you fear rebellion, admonish them, and remain apart from them in beds, and beat them.”

Select the Arberry and Maududi translations and observe the differences and similarities in the various translations. (Note, the verse does not refer to women who have rebelled, it refers to women from whom you fear rebellion.)

Next we refer to the Tafsir for clarity on the verse. I’ll select 3 from Quranx.

Tafsir Al-Jalalayn
Tafsir Ibn Al Kathir
Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi – Tafhim al-Qur’an

Now, let’s examine the Hadith. These are best searched with Google to find relevant references, after which they can be viewed on Quranx.

Iyas ibn Abdullah ibn Abu Dhubab reported the Messenger of Allah as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when Umar came to the Messenger of Allah and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them.

Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:The Prophet said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.

Finally, let us examine Islamic Sacred Law (Sharia) for its ruling. From the highly respected Sharia manual, The Reliance of the Traveller:

M10.11: Dealing with a Rebellious Wife When a husband notices signs of rebelliousness in his wife (nushuz, dis: p42) (O: whether in words, as when she answers him coldly when she used to do so politely, or he asks her to come to bed and she refuses, contrary to her usual habit; or whether in acts, as when he finds her averse to him when she was previously kind and cheerful), he warns her in words (O: without keeping from her or hitting her, for it may be that she has an excuse. The warning could be to tell her, “Fear Allah concerning the rights you owe to me, ” or it could be to explain that rebelliousness nullifies his obligation to support her and give her a turn amongst other wives, or it could be to inform her, “Your obeying me [def: (3) below] is religiously obligatory”).  If she commits rebelliousness, he keeps from sleeping (O: and having sex) with her without words, and may hit her, but not in a way that injures her, meaning he may not (A: bruise her,) break bones, wound her, or cause blood to flow. (O: It is unlawful to strike another’s face).   He may hit her whether she is rebellious only once or whether more than once, though a weaker opinion holds that he may not hit her unless there is repeated rebelliousness.

(c) if keeping from her is ineffectual, it is permissible for him to hit her.

I believe this will suffice to get you started on the road to critical examination of Islam.

Back to the Quran. Passages about Allah, based on textual analysis of the Quran, are 14% of the total content. The remaining 86% is about the life, sayings and deeds of Mohammed.

It is a fundamental principle of Islam that a Muslim is to follow the example of Mohammed, the ideal pattern of conduct. This is stated in the Quran 91 times. These commands take two forms — historical examples and direct commands. Mohammed is ultimately the ideal moral example for all Muslims to follow.

Finally, the Quran has an early period and a late period, often referred to as the Meccan Quran and Medinan Quran. They have wildly contradictory peaceful and violent verses. The Law of Abrogation (Naskh) tells us that a chronologically later verse is theologically better than an older one. However both verses stand as true, since the Western concept of unitary logic and disqualification does not apply for theological reasons.

(Note, the Quranic progression is from peaceful to violent, which is the direct opposite of the Biblical progression).

Q2.106: And for whatever verse We abrogate or cast into oblivion, We bring a better or the like of it; knowest thou not that God is powerful over everything?
Q16:101: And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse – and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down – they say, “You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies].” But most of them do not know.

The same process of consulting the Hadith, Tafsir, Sira and The Reliance applies to these verses for context and clarity.

Approximately 225 verses are abrogated by later verses. 71 of the 114 chapters of the Quran have abrogations, cancelling the previous verses.

Further confusion arises because the Quran is arranged by length of chapter, it is not in chronological order.

Politics & Religion / Re: Islam in Europe
« on: September 26, 2016, 11:14:25 AM »
The enemies of the West have had centuries of practice, however they are also using persuasion, infiltration, confidence games and the principles of 4th Gen Warfare expertly. They have studied us, we haven't kept pace with them.
They've taken Boyd's concepts of warfare to their logical conclusion, and at present running rings around us.

A major stumbling block is the loss of cultural confidence brought on by excessive liberalism.

What concerns me from reading the documents, is the level of preparation they may have made. How many of their loyal people are in critical positions in the police, military, medical services, utilities? They are waiting for what they call 'Zero Hour'.

The longer we leave the push back, the more bloody it will be to regain control. To push back now would be wiser, but things will have to come to a head for the truth to be revealed.

All the same, I am confident.

Politics & Religion / Re: Islam in Europe
« on: September 26, 2016, 10:51:16 AM »
They're following the 7 point plan Al-Qaeda laid out (9/11 being the opening salvo), converging with the 5 point plan of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Both discuss escalating and ultimately open confrontation. While the attacks look 'random' and 'small minority' they have social cover - but once the iron fist shows itself, which eventually it must, they lose the protected status they presently have. They (as collective social enablers and the active militant group) will then be exposed. The plan rides on the mass following along in defense of Islam.

I expect that sadly it will get to this stage, and while it may not be pleasant and there will be casualties, it is where the tide is likely to turn. The enemy will no longer be amorphous, but clearly identified.

Imagine this hypothetical scenario. It is World War 2, and the American government has instructed its military and intelligence services that they are not to use the words "Nazi", "SS", Hitler", "Third Reich", "Final Solution", "Mein Kampf" and other 'ideological' terms. The US also decides not to declare the Nazis an outlawed organisation.

The army and intelligence services will dismiss their experts on Europe, Germany, the Nazis, German speakers. Instead, euphemistic neutral terms must be employed. Next, a group of "moderate" Nazis (who are to remain anonymous) will consult with the army and intelligence services to draft policy and future plans on combating the enemy who must not be named, using only language which will not be offensive to Nazis.

As the report below indicates, this is precisely what the US government did in regard to the threat of Islamist terror. Since then, under President Obama, we have seen a rapid escalation of terror attacks worldwide, with marked escalation in Europe and America,  and the spectacular growth of ISIS.

“Our job is to change the Constitution of America.”
~ Sayyid Syeed, PhD
Islamic Society of North America (ISNA)
43rd Annual Conference, Rosemont, IL. Labor Day, 2006

ISNA is a known Muslim Brotherhood front.

"Counter-terrorism and counter-violence should be defined by us ... We should define how an effective counter-terrorism policy should be pursued in this country.
~ MPAC founder Salam al-Marayati, at an Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) conference in Dallas, 2005.

To quote various passages from the attached document:

In June 2013, as a result of its lawsuit, Judicial Watch obtained and released hundreds of pages of FBI records revealing that, in 2012, the agency purged its anti-terrorism training curricula of material determined by a group of “Subject Matter Experts” to be “offensive” to Muslims.

The FBI refused to disclose the identities of these “Subject Matter Experts.”  The excised material included references linking the Muslim Brotherhood to terrorism, tying al Qaeda to the 1993 World Trade Center and Khobar Towers bombings, and suggesting that “young male immigrants of Middle Eastern appearance ... may fit the terrorist profile best.”

The Department of Defense (DoD) instituted a purge similar to the FBI’s.  On April 24, 2012, Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin E. Dempsey ordered the entire U.S. military to “review” its educational and training classes, files, and rosters of instructors to ensure that no members of the armed services were studying material “disrespectful of the Islamic religion.”

Controlling language is essential for effective influence operations, as part of a broader active measures campaign.  An example of the radical purging of certain terms and phrases from government lexicons can be found by comparing language used in the 9/11 Commission Report to that used in both the 2009 National Intelligence Estimate and the 2008 FBI Counterterrorism Analytical Lexicon.

In an October 6, 2011 press release, CAIR Director Nihad Awad thanked “Director Mueller for his pledge to perform a ‘top to bottom’ review of FBI counterterrorism training.”

The Explanatory Memorandum documents how Islamists are waging Jihad on the West by a variety of means and on a number of fronts. There is nothing new about the Jihad phenomenon – it has been carried out to one degree or another since AD 632, although its current politicized manifestation traces its roots to the first half of the 20th century.  

The Koran demands Jihad.  We ignore that fact at our peril. Dr. Patrick Sookhdeo, an expert in jihadist ideology and a Visiting Professor at the Defence Academy of the UK, has stated, “Islamism has replaced communism as the most significant ideological opponent of the Western liberal world order.  Radical Islamist movements have declared war on the West as wellas on other Muslims."

Current jihadist operations are conducted under the umbrella, direction and coordination of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), the MB, as well as al Qaeda (AQ) and its affiliates.  The MB’s motto provides perspective on their ideology and operations: "Allah is our objective; the Koran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and dying in the way of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."

The arsenal of jihad includes the weapons of terrorism and acts of war, as well as influence campaigns, propaganda and active measures.

The Judicial Watch report:

Homeland Security Advisory Council - Countering Violent Extremism (CVE) Subcommittee Interim Report and Recommendations June 2016:


Politics & Religion / Re: Islam - Education, Rebuttals and Counter-Terror
« on: September 23, 2016, 04:23:24 AM »
Something that has influenced my thinking greatly is "evolutionary psychology" in general and the writings of Konrad Lorenz in particular (after whom my son Conrad is named btw).
In my own thinking in the case of humans I have added Predation.  Normally predatory behavior is inter species and thus outside the definition of aggression, but in the case of humans, much criminal behavior is predatory in nature (e.g. the money stolen is a form of food)
In one of his final books, "The Waning of Humanness" Lorenz spoke of particular dynamic that he called "collective militant enthusiasm" in which a group whips itself into a frenzy for collective action against "the other".
Lenin-Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Islamic Fascism can all be seen as manifestations of this dynamic.

Hi Crafty

That's an analysis I can agree with. Ideas can be predatory, and seek to destroy other ideas that challenge them - supremacist ideologies are predatory ideas.
There's something about the persistence of these particularly pernicious ideas that says a lot about our innate human nature with its potential for evil.

Politics & Religion / Re: The Life of a Liberal Muslim. Nabeel Qureshi book
« on: September 22, 2016, 07:09:58 AM »

Excellent! This is a great article with much food for thought. Like during the 60s where MLK lost and Malcolm X won, the Islamic rationalists lost the debate and the current orthodoxy became entrenched. I think there is hope for black America, but I'm not willing to speculate easily on the future of Islamic thought.

I've started looking deeper into this aspect of Islamic theology by means of comparative religion. Nabeel Qureshi has written a fantastic book comparing Christian and Islamic theology, with fascinating insights into the history of Islam and the forces that shape(d) its thinking. The early chapter on the Islamic Inquisition is an eye opener for me. The book is No God But One - Allah or Jesus?

If we accept that most mosques are funded by groups hostile to the West and that mosques are the place to disseminate and instill doctrine, then we know that in the US and Europe perhaps 80% of mosques are Wahhabist. In the UK half of the mosques are Deobandi (Taliban) and Wahhabi (Saudi) adherents.

Integration is prohibited by the Quran, as indicated by these verses.

Yusuf Ali version, 3:28
Let not the believers take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than Believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.

Pickthall version 48:29
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves.

Yusuf Ali version, 6:106
Follow what thou art taught by inspiration from thy Lord: there is no god but He: and turn aside from those who join gods with Allah.

Yusuf Ali 8:55
For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him: They will not believe.

Yusuf Ali 9:28
O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean;

Yusuf Ali 9:29
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Politics & Religion / Re: Islam - Education, Rebuttals and Counter-Terror
« on: September 21, 2016, 09:15:28 AM »
Hi all

I hope this series has been helpful to many so far. The more I dig into this, especially into the hidden networks of the Muslim Brotherhood, the more it unsettles me to know what we're facing - knowing that the most powerful force to stop this, the US government, has been infiltrated and hamstrung by them.

General academia will not be of help, in my estimation. It's both ignorant of the nature of the Islamic subversive/terror threat and overrun with ignorance-inspiring PC, terrified of being accused of racial bias and Islamophobia.

The more we can educate ourselves and provide simple resources we can use, the better we empower ourselves to stand up and speak against the half truths and lies.

Any comments or thoughts?

The religious motive for Jihad. Inside the mind of a Jihadi.

In June 2007, Malik Hasan Nidal was supposed to deliver a medical presentation to military doctors. Instead, he presented a 50 slide talk on Islam called "The Koranic World View As It Relates to Muslims in the U.S. Military." One can determine from this fascinating presentation why Hasan went on to kill 13 men and women and wound another 32. Had he not been shot, he could have gone on to shoot and kill many others. Hasan allegedly shouted the Takbir or "Allahu Akbar" as he went on the killing spree. This translates to "Allah is greater", by implication [than your God].

None of the attendees said anything to their superiors, they were afraid of being labelled Islamophobic and racist. As a consequence, people died. This presentation provides an excellent first hand insight into the Jihadist mind.

The imam who was the leader of the mosque that Malik Hasan Nidal attended said he was a quiet man who came to service daily. Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was "very devout," according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.

Khan is a leading board member of the Islamic Society of North America — a lobby group established by Saudi Arabia to spread Wahhabi doctrine among American Muslims. ISNA, along with the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the North American Islamic Trust, are unindicted conspirators as one of a number of "entities who are and/or were members of the US Muslim Brotherhood." as per court records from the Holy Land Foundation terror funding trial. Additional records exist showing a relationship to HAMAS.

Federal law enforcement officials say the  Fort Hood shooter had come to their attention at least six months prior because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats. One web posting that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

"To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause," "Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees [sic] in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i [sic] you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that "IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE" and Allah (SWT) knows best."

In his presentation, Nidal does go on to discuss rewards for Martyrs.

Anwar al-Awlaki praised Hasan's actions "Nidal Hasan [sic] is a hero." 18 E-mails between Maj. Nidal Hasan and Anwar Awlaki (al-Qaeda) were released as part of the FBI's investigation into the case. (Their presentation link may not work)

A copy of the presentation can be downloaded here:

As per the slides:

  • Nidal Hasan's definition of Islamist: "Advocates rule by God's law - Islamic political rule/Sharia law i.e. (No separation of Church and State).
  • Nidal Hasan on the influence of Islamist groups: "If Muslim groups can convince Muslims that they are fighting for God against injustices of the "infidels"; ie: enemies of Islam, then Muslims can become a potent adversary ie: suicide bombing etc." This does leave one to think who these "Muslim groups" groups are, what message they are spreading and how they are spreading it.
  • The final statement in the slide above, about loving death, has a long history within the Jihadist community. As just one example, Ayman al-Zawahiri’s wife advised Muslim women: “I advise you to raise your children in the cult of jihad and martyrdom and to instil in them a love for religion and
  • The Abrogation slide demonstrates the importance of the Law of Abrogation in the Jihadi mind, as he correctly states that later verses supercede earlier verses in the Quran. This is the ideological foundation among these groups and thinkers for Jihad against the West and eradication of all unbelief.
  • The Conclusion slide alone could lead to a lengthy investigation and discussion into the mindset of the soldiers of Jihad. As Hasan writes: "Muslims may be seen as moderate (compromising) but God is not." Also noteworthy is "Fighting to establish an Islamic State to please God, even by force, is condoned by the Islam." More reference to the need and desire for a Caliphate, especially after the abolition of the Ottoman Caliphate by Ataturk in 1924

When criticism and discussion are demonised... the dangers of scope creep. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

" an increasingly effective move that’s fast become something of an epidemic, I can shame you into silence for criticizing my ideas simply by calling you bigoted or Islamophobic.

In addition to calling out prejudice against Muslims (a people), the term “Islamophobia” seeks to shield Islam itself (an ideology) from criticism"

For decades, Muslims around the world have rightly complained about the Israeli government labeling even legitimate criticism of its policies “anti-Semitic,” effectively shielding itself from accountability. Today, Muslim organizations like CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) have borrowed a page from their playbook with the “Islamophobia” label — and taken it even further.

It’s as if every time you said smoking was a filthy habit, you were perceived to be calling all smokers filthy people. Human beings have rights and are entitled to respect. But when did we start extending those rights to ideas, books, and beliefs? You’d think the difference would be clear, but it isn’t. The ploy has worked over and over again, and now everyone seems petrified of being tagged with this label."

... a white American man successfully convinced the Massachusetts liberal arts school Brandeis University that he was being victimized and oppressed by a black African woman from Somalia — a woman who underwent genital mutilation at age five and travels with armed security at risk of being assassinated.

That is the power of this term.

The man, Ibrahim Hooper, is a Muslim convert and a founding member and spokesman for CAIR.

Original article. Well worth reading:

The dangers of 'scope creep'. This article should provide a sobering appraisal of the effects of this particular label.

(Note: this is a summary of the full article)

Javaria Saeed, a practising Muslim who worked in Scotland Yard’s counterterrorism division, has attacked the Metropolitan police for failing to tackle extremist views among some of its Muslim officers for fear of being labelled “Islamophobic”.

However, ... her managers ... failed to take action ... because they were afraid of being accused of racism.

Saeed said she resigned in March after becoming disheartened by “political correctness”, which allowed an “us and them” culture to thrive among some Muslim officers who considered themselves beyond the law.

Saeed told The Sunday Times that the Met applied a different standard when looking into complaints against some Muslim officers from those it applied to non-Muslims.

“Racism in the Met is not from white officers in my case, but from Muslim officers who the service refused to properly investigate because they were afraid of being called Islamophobic and racist,” said Saeed.

Saeed said she joined the police in the wake of the 2005 London bombings to help bridge the division between the Muslim community and the authorities.

Downloadable PDF:
Original article:

The Muslim Brotherhood’s Strategic Plan for North America, part 1

"... what is between your hands is not strange or a new submission without a root, but rather an attempt to interpret and explain some of what came in the long-term plan which we approved and adopted in our council and our conference in the year (1987). ~ Mohammed Akram

In August 2004 Ismail Selim Elbarasse of Annandale, VA was arrested after authorities witnessed his wife videotaping Maryland's Chesapeake Bay Bridge from their SUV. The images captured by Elbarasse's wife included close-ups of cables and other features that were "integral to the structural integrity of the bridge."

Elbarasse is a former board member of the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP) and Hamas activist. He served on the Palestine Committee, a front group for the Muslim Brotherhood in the United States to help Hamas politically and financially. He was an assistant to Mousa Abu Marzook when Marzook was Hamas political director. The two shared a bank account.

Investigators discovered 80 boxes of internal Palestine Committee records during a search of his Virginia home. The documents were subsequently used for the prosecution of five Holy Land Foundation officials, found guilty in 2008 of funneling money to Hamas. Those exhibits were admitted into evidence and titled "Elbarasse Search" followed by an identification number.

It was written by member of the Board of Directors for the Muslim Brotherhood in North America and senior Hamas leader, Mohammed Akram. It discusses the plan approved by the Brotherhood’s Shura Council and Organizational Conference in 1987, and it establishes the mission of the Muslim Brother in North America. These documents were never meant to be seen outside of the Ikhwan and its affiliates.

Article 4- Understanding the role of the Muslim Brother in North America: The process of settlement is a "Civilization-Jihadist Process" with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim's destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who chose to slack. But, would the slackers and the Mujahedeen be equal.

 A copy of the original document can be found here:

A brief look inside the Muslim Brotherhood. A sample of its bylaws, member pledges and motto.

My comments are preceded by *

"The Muslim Brotherhood, is an international Muslim Body, which seeks to establish Allah's law in the land by achieving the spiritual goals of Islam and the true religion which are namely the following:

E – The need to work on establishing the Islamic State, which seeks to effectively implement the provisions of Islam and its teachings.

* The Ikhwan were formed after Ataturk abolished the Caliphate in 1924, and are committed to the establishment of a new worldwide Caliphate governed by the Sharia.

D– Make every effort for the establishment of educational, social, economic and scientific institutions and the establishment of mosques, schools, clinics, shelters, clubs as well as the formation of committees to regulate zakat affairs and alms.

* They have built an extensive network. Its members are required, as shown below, to have uncompromising loyalty to the group's ethos, religious doctrine and political aims.

E –The Islamic nation must be fully prepared to fight the tyrants and the enemies of Allah as a prelude to establishing an Islamic state.

* Their motto says "Jihad is our way"

I pledge allegiance to the Almighty Allah to constantly uphold and safeguard the principles of Islam, **to fight in the cause of Allah, to adhere to the terms and duties of the Brotherhood's membership, showing as much as possible obedience to the just leaders in sorrow and in joy as long as it does not involve disobedience to Allah, I pay allegiance and may Allah be my witness.

** Direct from the Quran 4:74 - Let those (believers) who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter fight in the Cause of Allah, and whoso fights in the Cause of Allah, and is killed or gets victory, We shall bestow on him a great reward.

I pledge allegiance to Allah Almighty constantly upholding the sublime principals of the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (peace be upon him) and commitment to the Brotherhood's platform to act promptly in implementing the decisions entrusted to me...

“Allah is our objective; the Koran is our law; the Prophet is our leader; jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations.” (The Brotherhood's Motto)

* According to the Islamic doctrine followed by the Ikhwan, the highest reward in paradise is reserved for those who kill and are killed for the sake of Allah.

Sahih Bukhari 2782 - The Messenger of Allah was asked, "Which deed is the best?" He replied, "Faith in Allah and His Messenger." He was asked, "What is next?" He replied, "Jihad (holy fighting) in the Cause of Allah."

Sahih Bukhari 2787 - I heard Allah's Messenger saying, "The example of a Mujahid in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty."

Sahih Muslim Book 20 Hadith 4646
A man stood up and said: Messenger of Allah, do you think that if I am killed in the way of Allah, my sins will be blotted out from me? The Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) said: Yes, in case you are killed in the way of Allah and you were patient and sincere and you always fought facing the enemy, never turming your back upon him. Then he added: What have you said (now)? (Wishing to have further assurance from him for his satisfaction), he asked (again): Do you think if I am killed in the way of Allah, all my sins will be obliterated from me? The Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) said: Yes, it you were patient and sincere and always fought facing the enemy and never turning your back upon him, (all your lapses would be forgiven) except debt. Gabriel has told me this.

The Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR, further ties and involvement.

The Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP) was an organ of the Palestine Committee of the Muslim Brotherhood in the United States.

Citing from their documents:
The Palestine Committee is a specialized committee emanating from the Palestine Section which was formed by the executive office of the Muslim Brotherhood in the Levant countries. Its scope of work is limited to North America and its contacts include other countries.

Due to ... the important developments produced by the blessed Intifada in the Occupied Territories and the impact it had on the Muslim Brotherhood Movement, and particularly the directions of his eminence the General Guide and the latest visit to America by the Palestine Section, ... which discussed the cause and its developments with their Brothers in the leadership of the Group here in America, the Palestine Committee was formed to serve the Palestinian cause on the U.S. front.

C- Affairs of the Islamic Association [IAP] which include the following main duties:
- Drawing the strategy.
- Supervision, follow-up and direction.

Attached below is CAIR named as coordinator.

As discussed before, attached is an excerpt of a transcript made by the FBI, from a secret meeting where the formation of a 'neutral' organisation with no previous terror association is discussed. The meeting was recorded, and the tapes were recovered during an investigation.

Telling is the statements that "We will remain a front ... instead of having all our organizations classified and exposed."

Links to screen caps of the relevant parts of the documents: - CAIR coordinating for the HLF/IAP Muslim Brotherhood front groups - Transcript of recorded meeting discussing creating CAIR as a front group.

Links to the full PDF documents:
Palestine Committee meeting minutes:
FBI transcript:

Politics & Religion / Subject lines modified for easier search
« on: September 16, 2016, 09:17:18 PM »

Some REALLY good work being done here.  Please let's use the Subject line to its full potential so as to maximize Search command efficiency!!!

Thank you for the kind words, Crafty. I adjusted each subject line to reflect the content of each post, and will do so for future posts.

I've been curious about the Muslim Brotherhood network and their front groups, which they specifically set up as 'neutral' entities since they were too well known, as demonstrated in documents obtained by the FBI.

The focus in this post is the court document linked below, with several quotes from it. The linked Clarion article provides further detail and source references.

The Ikhwan/Muslim Brotherhood are a designated religious terror group with political aims based on their religious agenda, and I posted earlier on their self-professed Jihad by political and media infiltration against the West.

I went to look at court documents related to Ikhwan/Muslim Brotherhood subversive activity and want to post some highlights. CAIR appeared, tied to the Ikhwan. This is clearly a case of "Go back to sleep, nothing to see here...".

The court document:
Quoted text below is from the court document.

"CAIR and MAS (Muslim American Society) omit reference to a shared background that limits their membership to those of a particular political bent, and undercuts their credibility. "

"The Muslim Brotherhood is a generally covert international organization whose credo is

Allah is our goal:
the Qur'an is our constitution:
the Prophet is our leader:
Struggle (Jihad) is our Way:
and death in the path of Allah is our highest aspiration. "

The Ikhwan wants to establish an American caliphate under the Sharia as their stated goal. Or they're Boy Scouts. The meaning of the above goal is unclear to me.

"MAS was founded as the overt arm of the Muslim Brotherhood in America."

"Moreover, from its founding by Muslim Brotherhood leaders, CAIR conspired with other affiliates of the Muslim Brotherhood to support terrorists. "

"Proof that the conspirators agreed to use deception to conceal from the American public their connections to terrorists was introduced at both the Texas trial in 2007 and also at a Chicago trial the previous year. United States 11. Askqai-, et al.. No. 03-978 (N.D. 111.2006). "

Politics & Religion / Re: Islam - Education, Rebuttals and Counter-Terror
« on: September 16, 2016, 01:25:39 AM »
Good thing CAIR isn't allowed to infiltrate and influence government in the US!

I'm familiar with the collaboration with Ikhwan front groups, and how they have infiltrated the US government and other institutions as per their own documented strategy. Discussing these facts sounds like you're discussing a crazy conspiracy theory, except every word is true.

Politics & Religion / CAIR listed as terror group by UAE Government
« on: September 15, 2016, 09:10:01 PM »
CAIR. Deception and subversive activity by political front groups.

“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.”

That’s not a quote from Osama bin Laden. It’s a quote from Omar Ahmad, a founder of the Council for American Islamic Relations, the Hamas-affiliated Muslim Brotherhood front group named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terror financing trial.

In 1993, the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood Palestine Committee organised a secret meeting in Philadelphia that the FBI wiretapped. The participants, which included two future CAIR founders, Nihad Awad and Omar Ahmad, discussed how to support Hamas and, in the words of a 2009 ruling by a federal judge, “goals, strategies and American perceptions of the Muslim Brotherhood.” Ahmad was recorded discussing how to modify language about destroying Israel for an American audience.

The need to create a new “neutral” entity for influencing U.S. policy and opinion was agreed upon because as they said “it is known who we are.” CAIR was formed by Awad and Ahmad the next year.

Federal prosecutors in 2007 named CAIR (along with two other Islamic organizations) as “unindicted co-conspirators and/or joint venturers” in a criminal conspiracy in the trial of the Holy Land Foundation for financing and providing support to the Hamas terrorist group. CAIR was listed among “individuals/entities who are/were members of the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee and/or its organizations.”

The United Arab Emirates’ ministerial cabinet listed the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) as one of 83 proscribed terrorist organizations, up there with the Taliban, al-Qaeda, and ISIS.

The Saudi, Emirati, Kuwaiti, and Bahraini rulers view politicians like Mohamed Morsi of Egypt as their enemies, as they do Hamas and its offshoot groups - including CAIR.

Shaikh Abdullah bin Zayed Al Nahyan, UAE Foreign Minister, recently published a list of terrorist organisations. Two of them raised eyebrows - the Council of American-Islamic Relations and the Muslim-American Society. He said, "Our threshold is quite low when we talk about extremism. We cannot accept incitement or funding ... we cannot tolerate even the smallest, tiniest amount of terrorism.

At least seven board members or staff at CAIR have been arrested, denied entry to the U.S., or were indicted on or pled guilty to (or were convicted of) terrorist charges: Siraj Wahhaj, Bassem Khafagi, Randall (“Ismail”) Royer, Ghassan Elashi, Rabih Haddad, Muthanna Al-Hanooti, and Nabil Sadoun.

The UAE minister of state for foreign affairs replied that if organizations can show that their “approach has changed,” they are eligible to appeal “to have their names eliminated from the list.”

Based on all of this, there is ample reason to delve deeper into these groups, networks and individuals, to examine their motives and intentions. To take the statements of some groups and individuals at face value is, at best, naive.

It is both an underestimation of terror groups and wilful ignorance of their ethos.

Politics & Religion / Re: Islam - Education, Rebuttals and Counter-Terror
« on: September 15, 2016, 10:19:48 AM »
Western Europe is too far gone. Western civilization isn't looking too healthy either.


They only succeed because we let them. They couldn't get far if we opposed them, however our leadership is confused, weak, agenda-driven, traitorous or all of the above. They are using subversive means since direct confrontation would be a losing strategy and always has been. However, they have mastered Boyd's concepts of 4th Generation Warfare (low intensity guerrilla warfare) and use them to good effect.

I do think in many places we are beyond dialogue and there will be conflict, which is unfortunate but likely unavoidable to reassert Western values. I believe there is reason to be optimistic, and that we should engage in an effort to educate ourselves and others. Ignorance and complacency led us here, knowledge and action will see us through.

I am enjoying and appreciating Martel's posts.  Welcome!

I love the detail and the supporting research.  I wonder what the over-riding theme could be boiled down to in a thesis point or two or three.  What is it that people, voters and policy makers need to know?

We all have our own discussions with liberals we know or people we disagree with.  (The Libertarian candidate is also for open borders and soft on terrorism.)  What I have heard back when I talk of the threat of Islamic terrorism is something like, 'I choose not to live in fear'.  The Obama administration has mostly embodied that, don't name the threat, don't acknowledge it.  Many believe that if peaceful, loving people talk more about peace and love it will come true.  

Meanwhile, al Qaida, ISIS, the caliphate, Jihad, torture, terror, bombings and beheadings and the Islamic immigration invasion are all real, true and coming our way.

The violence in Islam is a feature, not a bug.  Peaceful Muslims are not able to point to real meanings in text and convince the Jihadists they have it all wrong.  

I don't live in a specific fear that I will be blown up or beheaded.  The numbers of killings, even counting 9/11/01, are relatively small.  Rather, I live in a policy vacuum where we aren't doing the right things to protect our country.

The invasion of Europe, the no-go zones and the civil wars there are real.  We have the same going on here to a smaller degree in an earlier phase.

There is only one lesson the US could take out of WWII if we had the full benefits of clairvoyance and hindsight.  Intervene sooner.  This threat is different from Hitlerism for sure but the idea that we are way over here so it doesn't affect us is wrong and dangerous.

We need deep, strategic thinking and long term consistent actions.  It starts with a clear understanding of the threat.

Thank you, DougMacG!

i) Westerners need an academic, unbiased knowledge of Islamic doctrine and history.

 I have attempted to provide such an introduction in various posts above, based on the doctrine in the Quran and the Sunna (collections of Hadith + Biography) of Mohammed and other highly authoritative sources (I do link to The Reliance of the Traveller as an accessible guide to Sharia/Islamic jurisprudence). Not what a friend said, or the nice grocer, or the co-worker or the reporter - just the text of the Quran and the life of Mohammed. With a bit of priming it is easy to read and discover for oneself what the thrust of the doctrine is - which is the uncompromising global dominance of Islam.

ii) Know that most Jihad is of the stealthy, non-violent kind.

There are networks of highly committed Jihadis infiltrating their way into the media, educational institutions, places of worship, law enforcement and government. It is a war in the information space, a 4th Generation Conflict of ideas, based around deception and manipulation - and we are losing.

iii) Have strong Western values.

Know who you are, know what you fight for. Know your history, know your roots, the miracle that is Western civilisation and the positive effect it has had on the world. Have strong beliefs in family, country and your faith. If you have nothing to stand for you will be divided, lost, unsure of your place and direction. The modern 'liberal' SJW phenomenon is a cancer eating at our culture. While not intending to disparage, atheism is a similar tool used to destroy social cohesion caused by common shared beliefs. While we can no longer decide what is a man or a woman, the enemies we face have a very firm, unyielding set of beliefs that we are wavering in front of.

Our current policy decisions to take the statements of some groups and individuals at face value is, at best, naive. It is both an underestimation of terror groups and wilful ignorance of their ethos.

Documented Muslim Brotherhood aims (CAIR)

The FBI seized a Muslim Brotherhood document in 2004 that laid out its plan to overtake the West. Link:

The plan consists of five phases:

1. The “secret establishment of leadership”

2. “...gradual appearance on the public scene.”
Phase 2 calls for “infiltrating various sectors of government,” “gaining religious institutions,” “gaining public support and sympathy” and “establishing a shadow government.”

3. “Escalation phase,” which focuses on “utilizing mass media.” The document says that this stage is “currently in progress.”

4. “Open confrontation with the government through ... political pressure” and “training on the use of weapons domestically.” The document says that there are “noticeable activities in this regard.”

5. The final phase: “Seizing power to establish their Islamic Nation under which all parties and Islamic groups are united.”

Phase 5 is the establishment of a caliphate in the United States. These goals do not read as those of a benign organisation.

Politics & Religion / Are CAIR and the Ikhwan moderate groups?
« on: September 14, 2016, 11:20:01 PM »
Moderate groups? The Muslim Brotherhood, HAMAS, CAIR and establishment of a global caliphate.

There exist links between groups like the Muslim Brotherhood, CAIR, HAMAS (and others). While not evident on the surface, a cursory search reveals that public-facing front groups have a history and ideological motivations that are not 'moderate', but share common goals with more violent, radical extremist groups.

The acronym HAMAS, taken from the Arabic for Islamic Resistance Movement, (Harakat al-Muqawama al-lslamiya) literally denotes "zeal" or "enthusiasm." The HAMAS Covenant: Article 8 - The Hamas document reiterates the Muslim Brotherhood's slogan of "Allah is its goal, the Prophet is the model, the Qur'an its constitution, JIHAD its path, and death for the sake of Allah its most sublime belief."

HAMAS is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood movement, which was founded in Egypt in 1928 by Sheik Hasan al-Bana; and subsequently spread throughout the Arab world. The Brotherhood shares with HAMAS a complete rejection of Western values and Communism and calls for the establishment of a pan-Islamic state founded on the basis of Shari'a, or Islamic law. To attain this objective, the Brotherhood promoted the concept of an ideal Muslim state to be ruled by a Caliph, the title bestowed upon the successors of the Prophet Muhammad at the beginning of the Islamic empire.

Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) executive director Nihad Awad wrote a letter to Muammar al-Qaddafi in 2009 asking him for funding for a new project.

Ahmed Yassin, Hamas’ founder, and first leader emerged from the Muslim Brotherhood. He joined the movement in 1955 and also belonged to its first official cell it the Gaza Strip. He and Hamas’ original cofounders studied at Egyptian universities, where they were exposed to the Muslim Brotherhood’s ideology.

HAMAS, Article 2 -The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Moslem Brotherhood in Palestine.

CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations)

A previously-referenced Brookings Institution report tells us that

"...from a national security standpoint, perhaps more important than ever—to make careful distinctions between Islamists. While extremists may garner the most attention, the vast majority of Islamists are not, in fact, violent.

Their definition of these non-violent political groups tells us that "Mainstream Islamist groups primarily consist of Muslim Brotherhood and Brotherhood-inspired movements."

Article 8 of the HAMAS Covenant reiterates the Muslim Brotherhood's slogan of "Allah is its goal, the Prophet is the model, the Qur'an its constitution, JIHAD its path, and death for the sake of Allah its most sublime belief."

From the article: "Senior UAE officials have responded to the criticism by restating that CAIR, MAS and other Muslim groups in the West are linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, promote extremism, and incite and finance terrorism.

The UAE banned CAIR and MAS along with approximately 80 other organizations, including the Muslim Brotherhood itself. CAIR and MAS are both U.S. Muslim Brotherhood entities.

By calling out European and American affiliates of the Brotherhood, the UAE is trying to bring attention to the Islamists’ influence in and danger to the West."

It is worth investigating the people, political aims, history, shared ideology and ties of these groups. The Muslim Brotherhood is a political organisation with numerous front groups, and self-professed to be engaged in Jihad.

A full list of the groups banned by the UAE government:

CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations)

According to the FBI, CAIR (a designated terror group), is affiliated to HAMAS.

A Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request received a chart from the FBI that shows CAIR falling under the umbrella of the jihadi organisation.

The FBI chart details the Hamas-related groups, which include CAIR, created to ultimately support the Palestinian terrorist organisation. It establishes Nabil Sadoun’s (former CAIR national board of directors member and vice chairman) connections to Hamas.

A Brookings report stated that:
"from a national security standpoint, perhaps more important ever—to make careful distinctions between Islamists. While extremists may garner the most attention, the vast majority of Islamists are not, in fact, violent.
Mainstream Islamist groups primarily consist of Muslim Brotherhood and Brotherhood-inspired movements."

Shaikh Abdullah bin Zayed Al Nahyan, UAE Foreign Minister, recently came out with a list of terrorist organisations, CAIR is among them, in the company of ISIS, the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

He stated, “Our threshold is quite low. . . . We cannot accept incitement or funding.” In their investigation, the UAE found CAIR guilty of incitement to and funding of terror.

Politics & Religion / Re: Islam - Education, Rebuttals and Counter-Terror
« on: September 11, 2016, 12:05:44 AM »

I am about 1/4 of my way through what you posted-- very lean and mean with no wasted effort--very impressive!!!

Thank you, Crafty! I try to keep things more or less bite sized for easy consumption, allowing for easy follow up, while also preempting the typical rebuttal.

I appreciate you drafting in Concerned Citizen, this should lead to some good discussion. I also read the thread link you posted. It's a bit lengthy, and not geared towards novices, whereas I'm leaning towards novices and fence sitters.

It may be good to keep posts short for easy reading, as a resource for the newly interested.

I have never read Stephen Coughlin and Patrick Poole, though I do know of Stephen Coughlin's book. I used a host of other sources, however the verification by scholars of their caliber is gratifying. I will certainly take a closer look at both of these gentlemen.

I prefer to think of Political Islam than Islamism, as that word is an attempt to deflect responsibility away from Islam, to subtly describe it as a fake Islam and thus imply a disconnect and innocence of the Islamic doctrine. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Politics & Religion / Re: Islam - Education, Rebuttals and Counter-Terror
« on: September 10, 2016, 06:19:40 AM »

Welcome aboard!!!  8-)

May I ask you to use the Search function for "Islam" and see if one of the existing threads suits your purposes?  In search of increasing the value of this forum and its threads for research purposes, we try to keep thread coherency around here.


Please give a hearty welcome to my friend Martel.  He will tell you as much or as little as he likes in the Rules of the Road thread, so I will limit myself to saying he is well traveled on a number of continents, and has more than a little time in the Middle East.


Thanks Marc!

I did find a few topics - "Islam, theocratic politics, & political freedom", "Islam in Europe", "Islam in America (and pre-emptive dhimmitude)". These seem to be copy and paste of articles in general, with little emphasis on original rebuttals to common issues with Islam. I felt a general introduction to Islam, which most Westerners are still unclear about, would create a foundation for educated discussion.

The encroachment of Sharia is of concern to me, and ignorance of Islam is not a successful strategy, as the latest European summer of Jihad violence can attest to.

I believe we are past the point of a non-violent resistance to reclaim Western values and standards in many parts of Europe and the UK, which is unfortunate, but education can allow people to inform others and create awareness to separate the truth from the subtle half-lies in the media. We have to know why we are speaking out, what we are standing against and what strategies the enemy, and yes I believe we are facing an enemy with great commitment and patience in service of his cause, is using.

They are succeeding because we let them.

I have successfully engaged in debate, armed with just the facts and integrity. I don't have to lie, cheat, obfuscate or misrepresent the truth (implying that the other side does these things routinely, if perhaps unknowingly) - it's easier than people realise to rebut the standard arguments.

Hopefully I can provide insight into some of the basis for the news articles posted, help people see a little clearer. I believe we need warriors and scholars, preferably combined into one person.

If anyone has comments, please add them.

Politics & Religion / A source for monitoring the Muslim Brotherhood
« on: September 09, 2016, 12:05:12 PM »
A source for monitoring the Muslim Brotherhood. Dalia Mogahed and John Esposito

This in relation to a question raised about Dalia Mogahed and John Esposito:

The Global Muslim Brotherhood Daily Watch (GMBDW) was created in order to monitor the daily activities of the Global Muslim Brotherhood. Each day, a large variety of news and other sources are sifted in order to identify the most relevant developments and which are presented in the form of postings referencing the original source material along with additional commentary and/or historical background . The GMBDW represents neither a political nor a religious point of view and seeks only to present the best available and reliable information on the daily activities of the Global Muslim Brotherhood. The GMBDW is read widely by US government agencies as well as by other governments and users worldwide.

The Editor

The GMBDW is edited by Steven Merley, an investigator and intelligence specialist who since 1992 has specialized in the investigation of political extremism, beginning with the investigation of hate crimes and rightwing extremist groups in the United States. Since September 11, 2001, Mr. Merley has been collecting and analyzing intelligence on the Muslim Brotherhood in throughout the world. His work as an Investigative Researcher with the Wall Street Journal was used in a series of five articles on the European Muslim Brotherhood which appeared in the Journal during 2004. Mr. Merley is a former Senior Analyst with the NEFA Foundation, an anti-terrorist think tank, and is currently a Chief Analyst for Kronos Advisory, founded by Major Gen James E. Livingston, USMC (Ret), a recipient of America’s highest military honor, the Medal of Honor.

The Global Muslim Brotherhood Research Center

The Global Muslim Brotherhood Research Center (GMBRC) was created as a companion site to the Global Muslim Brotherhood Daily Watch (GMBDW). While the GMBDW monitors the the daily activities of the Global Muslim Brotherhood, the GMBRC will provide the information needed to understand the larger context of those activities.

Politics & Religion / ISIS Wahhabi Islam indoctrination text
« on: September 09, 2016, 11:59:26 AM »
We now know from captured documents from the Islamic State that everything they do is guided by strict adherence to the doctrine of Islam, most (it would seem) Wahhabism, a strict Salafist ideology. The citations of Islamic scholars and jurists shows that the textbook is most heavily influenced by Ibn Taymiyya, Ibn al-Qayyim (a student of Ibn Taymiyya) and Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (founder of the Wahhabi trend).

The most extensive section of this book- the ten nawaqid of Islam- is a distinctly Wahhabi concept.

The manual contains chapters on:
(ii) Faith among Sunnis
(iii) First obligation: faith in God, disbelieving in taghut
(iv) Meaning of taghut (the word refers to idolatry or to the worship of anything except Allah.)
(v) Three principles: knowing God, religion and Prophet Muhammad
(vi) Three types of Tawheed
(vii) Meaning of shirk
(viii) Conditions of la illah ha ill Allah ('there is no deity but God')
(ix) The ten nawaqid [nullifiers] of Islam
(x) Types of kufr [disbelief]
(xi) Types of nifaq [hypocrisy]
(xii) Pillars of faith
(xiii) Five pillars of Islam

This article provides a good overview of Wahhabism in relation to IS.

I found no mention of organisations that do real-time research into and monitoring of terrorist groups in the academic forum, especially the topical issue of Jihad terror groups. Also there has been little discussion towards cohesive understanding of their methods and motives.

I recommend 3 sources that provide topical, current insight that provide significant intelligence on the subject.

Middle East Forum -

Jihadology is, in their own words, "a clearinghouse for jihādī primary source material, original analysis, and translation".

The MEMRI Jihad and Terrorism Threat Monitor (JTTM) scrutinizes Islamist terrorism and violent extremism worldwide, with special focus on activity within and emanating from the Arab world, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran, as well as on attacks and activity in the West inspired and encouraged by the Islamic State (ISIS), Al-Qaeda, and other global jihad organizations. This activity includes lone-wolf attacks by residents of Western countries.

One prolific author is Aymenn Jawad Al-Tamimi, who translates and maintains a library of Jihad-related documents from terror groups in the region. He is a graduate from Brasenose College, Oxford University, and a Jihad-Intel Research Fellow at the Middle East Forum. His article appears below.

A recent publication of his is a manual from the Islamic State that discusses the requirements of the Mujahid commander.

To clarify the meaning and significance of the words Jihad and Mujahid - The Reliance of the Traveller, Chapter O9.0: Jihad
Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada signifying warfare to establish the religion.

IS has istishhadiyun [‘martyrdom operatives’- i.e. suicide bombers], and theological teachers who provide instruction on Tawheed to recruits.

The textbook "Muqarrar fi al-Tawhid" (Course in Tawheed/Monotheism) must be learned and understood by training camp recruits if they are to pass the recruitment and training processes. Written by the Bahraini cleric Turki Binali, the contents of this textbook can be divided and summarised as follows:

(i) Introduction
(ii) Faith among Sunnis
(iii) First obligation: faith in God, disbelieving in taghut
(iv) Meaning of taghut
(v) Three principles: knowing God, religion and Prophet Muhammad
(vi) Three types of Tawheed
(vii) Meaning of shirk
(viii) Conditions of la illah ha ill Allah ('there is no deity but God')
(ix) The ten nawaqid [nullifiers] of Islam
(x) Types of kufr [disbelief]
(xi) Types of nifaq [hypocrisy]
(xii) Pillars of faith
(xiii) Five pillars of Islam

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