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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Cooties in Training
« on: September 29, 2008, 03:28:53 PM »
Frequent and good hand washing. Keep skin intact. Cover any thats not.
Most of these diseases, if not all of them need a "portal of entry"

Amen.  I am inside prisons regularly and put on antibiotic ointment and cover any hand/arm wounds before I go in.  I also don't touch my face (or genitals) until I wash my hands.

A bleach/water solution of 1:10 (3/4 cup bleach in 1 gallon of water) is supposed to kill MRSA (and pretty much everything else) but it should be made daily if it's in an open bucket.  You can put it in a spray bottle for smaller areas.  Also, anything introduced after the bleach/water mixture has dried will be viable - in other words, bleach is useless after it dries - so you should clean daily at least.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: DB Gathering of the Pack August 10th, 2008
« on: August 15, 2008, 09:02:55 AM »
I lost the recording so I can't find his name, but there was a guy that was used in the "Taboo" episode that featured Gints club.  He talked about how the fighting experience sensitizes the fighters to violence because they became more aware of the consequences of aggression.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: DB Gathering of the Pack August 10th, 2008
« on: August 13, 2008, 04:46:49 PM »
There were three women who came with us to watch the Gathering.  My daughter is very comfortable with Dog Fighting (and in fact went around encouraging my opponents to hit me hard and often).  The other two (Roxy and Tracy) are not comfortable with fighting or violence, but they came away with some interesting observations.

Roxy focused on the mutal consent and the fact that the fighters purpose to was help each other improve.

Tracy was struck by the mixture of aggression and tenderness exhibited by the fighters.  She commented on a particular fight where one of the fighters had been hurt and his opponent knelt beside him and held his head to comfort him.

On a separate note, I would like to thank all my opponents for diligently following my daughters advice and especially to Lorenz for the epic beating (and for not hitting me again after he dropped me with that last shot).

Martial Arts Topics / Re: DB Gathering of the Pack August 10th, 2008
« on: August 03, 2008, 04:53:35 AM »
Dog Ryan

Go to the bottom of the page at and download the Word document.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Minimum Skills for h2h
« on: July 23, 2008, 05:43:34 PM »
Distance - know when your too close and can be hit.
Cover - find an Oh Shit/Default cover position.
Striking - practice slaps and elbows. No fists because it's good way to sprain a wrist or break a hand.  No kicks or knees because it means your only standing on one leg.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: DB Gathering of the Pack August 10th, 2008
« on: July 22, 2008, 01:24:55 AM »
Hell yeah!!! I'm going to have a great time.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: DB Gathering of the Pack August 10th, 2008
« on: July 21, 2008, 04:51:22 PM »
I looked there when I saw your post ... oh well it ups!!!

Martial Arts Topics / Re: DB Gathering of the Pack August 10th, 2008
« on: July 21, 2008, 04:00:28 PM »

Dog Dean
I would like to request a 2 on 2 or even 2 on 3 fight.

Jumping right into the deep end on that one.  How about 2 on 3 double stick?

Woof Crafty

I liked the small format change in the last November's Gathering, where Linda could knife fight throughout the day.

"The greater the dichotomy, the profounder the transformation. Higher Consciousness through Harder Contact."

My fight with Sheep Dog on the third day drove this idea home for me.  As we tapped in and began stalking and swinging on each other, we were joking like we were talking over a pitcher of beer.  There wasn't any fear or tension, even though we both knew each would put the other in the dirt if given the chance.  It was odd and enlightening.

Guide Dog - you fought great and you were fearless out there. It was fun and inspiring to watch you.

For me, the multiple days of fighting were a huge help.  I was not happy with my first day.  After listening to some of the wisdom in the pack (thank you Porn Star Dog and Dogzilla), a lot of soul searching, and no small amount of positive prayer from a good friend, I started the second day with a great fight against Red Dog.  That opened a path to fighting with a lot more honesty and joy for the rest of the Gathering.

If I had ended with the first day, it would have haunted me till the next Gathering, and that poor experience would have solidified and probably been much harder to work through.  With the pressure of coming back the next day, I had to solve it (or face two more days of unsatisfying beatings).  In addition to changing how I was fighting, I changed my stick (thank you Red Dog and especially Pappy Dog) and I went to a very light glove (thank you Poi Dog and Crafty for the encouragement).  The result was two days of very satisfying beatings (I don't normally bruise much, but I have some stick hickeys that are going to be with me for a week).

It was the transforming experience I was looking for from this Gathering.  The honor of being promoted to Dog Brother was a huge milestone for me, and hopefully the beginning of further and deeper transformations.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Anyone have any good Circuit Ideas for home
« on: February 28, 2008, 02:34:27 PM »
Which part of the 300 workout?  There are some good idea from the videos.  One of drills in one of the videos is throwing a 25 lb D-Ball/ heavy ball (a basketball filled with sand is about 25 lbs).  You throw in 6 different ways:
right side,
left side,
chest level push,
overhead, and

Throw from the right side, chase the ball, throw from the left side, chase the ball, ....  This also works well with a car tire instead of a heavy ball

I would like to know more about his ideas.  One of the things he talks about on the videos is working the legs first to draw the blood down and then working the upper body which is made more difficult because all the blood has to be drawn up.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Anyone have any good Circuit Ideas for home
« on: February 19, 2008, 11:08:44 PM »
Below are few circuits I like.  Remember - no breaks between stations or sets.


This is my latest:

2 min Tire flip
2 min Sledge hammer the tire
2 min Tire flip
2 min Throw down a sand filled basketball (25-30lbs)
2 min Outside swings w/ kettlebell
Repeat (2 sets of these and I need a break)


This next one doesn't sound that bad, but it sneaks up on you:

Jump rope until you mess up (or 50 jumps)
Farmers walk a set of kettlebells out and back about 50 feet
Jump rope until you mess up (or 50 jumps)
Clean (and hold) a set of kettlebells while walking out and back about 50 feet
Jump rope until you mess up (or 50 jumps)
Snatch (and hold) a set of kettlebells while walking out and back about 50 feet
Repeat for 15 minutes

(Hint - to keep it challenging, have various sized sets of kettlebells or dumbbells handy.  I like heavier bells for the farmer's walk or at the start and then use lighter bells for the snatch or as I get fatigued.)


This one is fun:

2 min Heavy bag
1 min Indian club swings (10 - 15lbs)
repeat about 5 times

(hint - you can replace the club work with KB swings or thrusters or set of 3-5 deadlifts.)

Amen ... I mean ... Woof to thrusters!  My strength coach "Kettlebell Ken" Black showed me KB variant for thrusters (also works with dumbbells) and I passed it on to a couple of friends who felt like they had hit a plateau in their cardio.  Thrusters kicked their ass.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Judo = Hurts
« on: February 05, 2008, 12:06:31 AM »
Woof Maxx

Rio knows. 

Elbow pads are a bad idea.  Landing on your elbows is a natural reaction (aka bad habit) in the fall and you need to train out of it before you get hurt.  Most judo clubs won't let new guys do anything until they learn how to fall.

Once you learn to fall, it happens without thought. 

We had a pot luck at my house today mostly for friends who don't get the Nat Geo.  About 25 friends from various circles showed up.  We projected the show on a wall (the picture was maybe 10' x 6') a great way to watch it.  It was an enlightening event for all.  Most of them had never seen anything like it and even though I have told them about it, they apparently didn't have a clue until that moment.

A lot of conversation was generated.  I had a good cross-breeding discussion with one of my Doce Pares sparring partners about our differences and how sparring each other has benefited both of us in our respective venues.  A pastor/artist friend of mine talked about the phenomena of the tribe's self policing of the philosophical under-pinning.

Most everyone understood it - that is most of them understood most of it (and mainly that you have to be little crazy to do this).  No one really understood Sisco.  There was a lot of head scratching and things said like, "If he doesn't like to ... then why ... but he's a good fighter so ... then why doesn't he ... ???"  My answer to all such questions is (in my friend Shelly's words), it is "as if men come to this group to exorcise a very large life demon that only their fighter brethren can help them achieve."  yea, that's why.

A friend of mine (a young wife and mother who does not practice martial arts) wrote the following about her impression of the show.  I thought it worth sharing:

I thought they portrayed the Dog Brothers very and only positively. 

First, I give them kudos for featuring a topic/culture that few people outside of this group probably know about (until now, anyway). 
I would loosely typify this group as something between a quasi martial arts alternative and a "no holds barred" therapy session.  As I think about it -- it's very hard to define this group b/c it is many different things to its participants. For some, edgy exercise.  For some, rituals.  For some, self-accomplishment.  "Dog Fighters" is a slight misnomer.  It's the invitation, not the party.

It was good that the editors focused in early on the honor code during fights, as if to influence the viewer in a direction of thinking "these are not your father's rough-edged barfighing misfits".

The entire group structure & culture seems VERY well honed & thought out.  I got the sense that the friendships & culture in this group runs very, very deep.  Almost as if men come to this group to exorcise a very large life demon that only their fighter brethren can help them achieve.

I finished the show with a true sense of what this group is about: a cross-cut of men who chose a very alternative but noble competition.  Modern day, sanitized gladiators.

There also will be a part of society that sees this just for what it is: a refined, millienium-esque fighting group -- nothing more, nothing less. 

I really appreciated that they portrayed  "thinking" men, professional men, emerging men, developed men & vulnerable men.  The "everyman".  There was no hint at cro-magnon or dumb street fighter, although some of the guys dabbled with a need for something "more" in an age of rule-heavy, clean sports.  The balance of participants was enlightening - both in age & life experience.

Of course, leave it to a science channel to insert needless psycho babble!

Why DO producers feel the need to qualify EVERYTHING with humanists itching to equate this to....I don't even know WHAT they were trying to equate it to b/c their "specialists" were really grabbing at dead air the entire show.  They sounded so unsure of what they were trying to define.  I kept thinking, "SHUT UP & get back to the show." 

Finally, I suspect interest in this group will skyrocket & that National Geo will do a follow-on to this piece in the next year or 2.  I could see a WHOLE season or series on this.  Very timely.

As you can see, I was very intrigued by the show (I'm re-viewing it on Sat. night & insisting Erik watch it, too).   But, beyond was really good to see you grabbing life, firmly. 

Stay safe, warrior.


Various folk have been calling in.  Everyone had nice things to say, but what I have been listening for is who GETS IT.  I haven't been disappointed in my guesses of does and doesn't get it.  

My theory is that the people who don’t get it, don't have an internal vocabulary that connects the ideas to there own lives.  My son Caleb was at a friend's house and had this experience.  Afterwards he realized he should have compared it to competing at tennis as a way of translating some of the ideas.

Another friend who I have talked to often about my Dog Fighting experiences was very excited by the show.  It gave a context to our conversations and he really got it - Dog Dan's experience was particularly meaningful to him because my friend has wrestled with the same feelings.  He got the importance of facing to resolution the thing he has feared.

Everyone in the tribe did a get job.  It was a great show.  Dog Dan and Frankfurter's transparency was very powerful and probably resonated with a lot of people who are not martialists (a tough thing to do).


un-informed or uniformed?

The anthropologist they used seemed to "get it."  He understood the enlightenment (higher conscienceness through harder contact) that the fighters experience.

Everyone isn't for everyone.  I have seen a little of his stuff.  He seems to have a following, I'm just not one of them.


Recheck the Eastern Time NGC link.

This is very cool.  Good job Gints.  I have it set to record.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: For Any Conan/Frazetta/Robert E. Howard Fans.
« on: January 07, 2008, 10:38:10 PM »
I love Conan's world view that if something can hurt him, then he can kill it (and should right now).

Kane was once confronted by an foe he couldn't hurt.  He continued fighting with the resolve that, "If he must die he would die in his tracks, his wounds in front.

There's no point to these quotes, I just love what Howard left us.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: For Any Conan/Frazetta/Robert E. Howard Fans.
« on: January 04, 2008, 10:52:21 PM »
Howard's stories about the Warrior Christian, Solomon Kane, are my favorite.

"it has fallen upon me, now and again in my sojourns throughout the world, to ease various evil men of their lives"  Solomon Kane - from "The Castle of the Devil"

Maxx said,

Its fluff .. A good Straight blast would mess with the system.

That is an interesting point.  Systems can get blind spots because the practitioners spend their time fighting each other.  The Keysi promos are coordinated and it looks good fighting itself (of course, we’re all brilliant when we get to ask and answer the questions).  "Fluffy"?  The videos are unforgivably Hollywood, but I wouldn't call it fluffy.

A Straight Blast?  From the video, Keysi fighters ... chew.  They paddle their way up the stream of strikes (I really like this).  A direct attack may feed their aggressive counter-attack rather than over-power it.  On the other hand, would they be overly vulnerable to an attack-by-draw?  Trigger their counter-attack frenzy, stay outside (but close), let them run out their cycle, and then Straight Blast (or whatever) when they are winding down rather than winding up.

I found a longer promo video for Keysi.

Their hype makes me crazy but it does have some fun looking ideas and, like maija said earlier, interesting mitt drills.

Maxx observed that
They don’t seem to have one credit section about where they picked this stuff up from

On the Keysi site, I found his answer,
KFM was born on the streets of Spanish gypsy origin [not born or reinvented in the "dojo"]

It is a completely original art with no linage (so they can hit people in ways no one has ever thought of)!!!

The Wikipedia article on Keysi ( states that the two guys who are developing Keysi (Justo Diéguez and Andy Norman) claim JKD through Inosanto.  I can't find any reference to them on Inosanto's site and I can't find any reference to Inosanto or JKD on the Keysi site.

Although it gives me headache to read their zenned-up BS about Keysi being an "amazing multi-dimensional journey into the world of self-discovery," repackaging/reinventing/rediscovering isn't a bad thing.  They're trying, I wish them luck.

I saw some videos on youtube and thought the same thing - repackaged silat/kali, some of the moves were maybe a little too Hollywood, but it gave me an idea or two.  The founders are calling it their "interpretation of JKD."  From what little I saw and read, I think Bruce would be happy with their effort.

The commentary on the HD DVD "Batman Begins" mentions KFM.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: The Dog Brothers Tribe
« on: November 20, 2007, 11:12:51 PM »
Linda "C-Crazy Bitch" Matsumi?

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Are Traditional Martial Arts Dead?
« on: November 20, 2007, 12:29:16 AM »
For me, the term "traditional martial art" describes an art that has devolved - where mastery of the art becomes a regurgitation of the recording system that should have been used to transmit the art.  In the article, MMA is presented as the antithesis of TMA.  I think MMA is driving a martial evolution, but the circus/sport/soap opera elements leave a bad taste in mouth (but they maybe needed to drive a mass appeal).

As I understand Crafty's use of the term, a TMA is an evolving art that remembers where it came from (honors its predecessors).  I agree with this goal, but the connotation of TMA leaves me cold.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: The Dog Brothers Tribe
« on: November 19, 2007, 05:53:19 PM »
Is it Linda "C-Bitch" Matsumi, or
Is it Linda "C-attribute to be named later Bitch" Matsumi?  I don't want to call into question something that's settled, but maybe "C-First Bitch"?

Martial Arts Topics / Re: November 18, 2007 Dog Bros Gathering of the Pack
« on: November 19, 2007, 02:43:38 AM »

You fought well.  I ... enjoyed ... our fights (and have the bruises to prove it).

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Fall Gathering! Fighters thread
« on: November 15, 2007, 03:47:15 PM »
It is fun to run people into a wall - I like the sound they make. :-D :-P

Martial Arts Topics / Re: November 18, 2007 Dog Bros Gathering of the Pack
« on: November 09, 2007, 02:53:40 PM »
Woof Cat Linda

I'll knife fight you, ... but I still get cold sweats remembering that time at a DB camp when you beat me like a baby seal - I looked (and felt) like someone had been hitting me with a cactus wrapped in barbed wire - and you were just playing!!!

A Cat from Los Gatos - you crack me up.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: November 18, 2007 Dog Bros Gathering of the Pack
« on: November 06, 2007, 12:40:33 AM »
So "Choirboy" is not aka "the Juggernaut," he fought "the Juggernaut" ... cool ... and you're trying to get "Choirboy" to the Gathering?  I'll go with him.

Congrats Gints.  You'll be a great dad.  OMG that's a name and a half.

You will be missed (but I'm still training like you will be there).

Martial Arts Topics / Re: When you don't feel like fighting...
« on: October 29, 2007, 12:25:16 PM »
When I'm training and I don't feel like fighting ... I don't.

This isn't how I make a living.  If I don't want to spar, then I lift KB's, hit the bag, ride my bike ... stay active, but listen to your body.  The silence between the notes is part of the music and all that Zen :lol:

I'll be there!!!  My weight is down, my cardio is great, I'm stronger than ever - I can't wait.

C-Dog Pound

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
« on: October 26, 2007, 03:44:32 PM »
Between the fox running for his dinner and the rabbit running for his life ... the rabbit often wins - even when the rabbit is in a wheel chair.

Very cool :-D

Martial Arts Topics / My Century Ride
« on: October 21, 2007, 12:04:59 AM »
Just want to share some personal news.

Today, I rode a 100 mile bike ride (at an aveage of 13 mph).  It kicked my @$$ - I had trouble walking when I got home.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Fall Gathering! Fighters thread
« on: October 19, 2007, 12:14:02 PM »
Sheep Dog

Some kind of improvised shield would be interesting - a bike wheel, trash can lid, a daypack with some books in it, an umbrella, a pillow, etc.


I could not find in the thread where it says "Use this type of knife as our standard"
I don't think there is standard.  It's just whatever you and your opponent agree to fight with (short of a hot blade).  Of course, in the middle of a stick fight, your opponent may pull any kind of knife and you will have to deal with it.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: More or less technical?
« on: October 17, 2007, 05:04:20 PM »
is there a lot that can be missed in FMA by primarily training only things which can be applied in sparring?

This hits on a real frustration of mine.  Techniques are a recording system for movements.  They can become so institutionalized that the context is lost (your hand must be placed in just this way ... WHY?) or they are so systemized that no useful muscle memory is being trained (5 different steps for 12 different disarms).

My answer to your question is, "Yes."  I try and exercise patience when learning techniques that I initially don't think will work at full speed because I hope to find something in the movement to add to my tool box.  I remember learning a disarm and thinking "This *&!@#@ move will never work," but then I started throwing an elbow into the guy's chest on my way in and the move worked beautifully.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: 360 Miles to Enlightenment
« on: July 15, 2007, 04:39:01 PM »
Woof Dog SB,

My strength coach, Kettlebell Ken ( gave me the plates.  He likes the strongman/old-school ways.

And yes, I am leaner - a "liight 300" and I'll soon be under 290.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: 360 Miles to Enlightenment
« on: July 15, 2007, 01:00:41 PM »
Any of us above 40 probably share the desire to get stronger every year.  The 360 was part of the that quest.

To that end, I was dead-lifting the other day and felt ready to try for a new goal ...

245 lbs One-Handed (w/ the help of a lifting strap).

Forgive me for the bragging, but I'm pretty happy with this.

Martial Arts Topics / 360 Miles to Enlightenment
« on: July 14, 2007, 12:54:55 AM »
On Thursday (12th), I finished a 6 day bike ride that covered 360 miles from Santa Cruz to Malibu.

It was a journey that broke me down physically/mentally/emotionally/spiritually.  By the end of the 4th day, I was at my lowest point and ready to tell everyone to "F@*k Off" and then find a way home.  That evening an experienced rider talked to me about pacing and fueling my muscles during the ride. 

The next day (the 5th day of riding) he came along side me while I was struggling up the first hill of the day, put his hand on my back and pushed me up the hill as he advised me on "attacking the hill."

That encouragement began my climb out of the pit and I started to ride as an act of self expression (it also helped that I followed his advice).

Martial Arts Topics / Re: June 2007 Gathering
« on: June 29, 2007, 09:56:29 PM »
I had quite a break in my full participation in Gatherings.  During my first fight at this Gathering, I had trouble with my mental focus.  My opponent (Randy) wrapped up my stick arm like a python and all I could think of was getting my right arm free.  Towards the end of the fight, my focus widened and I remembered I had a left hand and started punching.  With each fight, my mental focus got better and I started relaxing.

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