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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Looking for Teachers, Schools, and Training Partners
« on: September 13, 2009, 06:21:01 PM »
Anyone in the Phoenix area (specifically the northwest side)
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Martial Arts Topics / Re: More or less technical?
« on: July 04, 2008, 12:21:46 PM »
Greetings. Sorry for picking this old thread back up, but it seemed more appropriate than starting a new thread. I'll be the first to admit, my lack of learning and progressing in FMA since I first started this thread is purely my fault due to my lack of dedication to it. I'm having an extremely difficult time staying focused due to the "leave your arm out while I do all my techs" aspect of my training. I was referrred to the "Tippy Tap" thread once before, but am unclear if TT (and all the responses too it) is the same as leaving the arm out???
If not, could a couple more people please share the values of this with me?
If not, could a couple more people please share the values of this with me?
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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Empty hand questions.
« on: May 12, 2008, 08:59:45 PM »
Anthem (about 30 - 40 minutes away).
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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Empty hand questions.
« on: May 09, 2008, 01:15:36 PM »I had to be shown how the angles of attack were similar. Once I was shown my brain sort of took over and started looking for the empty hand conversions. They are hiding away in that stick and knife material. You just have to look for them. This is hard to do because most of the movements are not similar to boxing, and boxing is what most of us think of when we think of unarmed combat. Left lead, striking with the knuckles. If you can break out of that mentality a world of other options open.
I can see how that would be, and would be the first to admit I have the mentality of "boxing only" for strikes.
Consider angles 1 and 2 with a stick. You can attack forehand, or back, with either stick. Transfer this idea to empty hand and you have double your possible attacks provided you get away from the idea of striking with the knuckles.Think slaps and hammer fists. Break down your simple 6 count sinawali. Turn the first strike into an attack on the opponents lead hand (pulling his guard down!) Your second attack into a head shot of your choosing, and your third shot into either another head shot, or another attack on his far hand to open the other side for attack. With some driving footwork you have the kali equivalent to a "straight blast!" Pretty cool in my amateur opinion!I see the "straight blast in MMA all the time." It seems to work.
I'll give it a shot, thanks for the ideas!
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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Empty hand questions.
« on: May 09, 2008, 01:10:08 PM »Maxx:
Why, right here
http://dogbrothers.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=90&osCsid=ec9f1f04083b901340b0aa11bcd7822e
CFR:
Not sure why you would think the thread was for DBs only, but these forums are for everyone of good spirit (see Rules of the Road thread at the top of this forum for details) so please dive right in.
TAC,
CD
I know the forum is open to all, it was the "woof" I was questioning ("I'd woof back, but.....").
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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Kali Tudo
« on: May 09, 2008, 11:18:54 AM »Woof CFR:
Try this thread: http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=597.0
The Adventure continues,
Crafty Dog
Awesome, thanks. I'd woof back, but am unclear as to if that's only for real Dog Brothers or not (don't want to step on any toes)
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Martial Arts Topics / Empty hand questions.
« on: May 09, 2008, 08:54:48 AM »
Howdy all. I have asked questions like this on other forums, but am intrigued by Dog Brothers ability/ willingness to analyze what their doing and make honest assessments in an effort to improve.
MY DISCLAIMER
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My questions are in no way meant to start a debate, and are certainly not meant to insult. I am asking these questions to this group because I really want your insights.
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With that out of the way, let me say that my experience in MA's is not all that extensive:
1) About 15 months combination of Muay Thai/ JKD/ and FMA. Then I moved to Az.
2) About 2 years some JKD, some kickboxing/ boxing, some BJJ. I have a real love for this type of training (lots of hitting pads, sparring, resisting opponent). This is in a garage with a guy that has a lot more experience than I do in the above mentioned styles. No belts, ranking, etc. which is fine with me. Recently though an interest in weapons came up, and we found a guy who teaches FMA. He has joined us and we go back and forth on training days between the different styles.
I can honestly say that self defense is probably a secondary benefit behind fun when it comes to my training. One of the concerns I have is that splitting the training time up may leave my empty hand striking skills dwindling. I'm not the best empty hand striker in the world, but I don't want the striking skills that I do have to diminish because I'm spending some precious training time doing sticks. When I've asked this type of question before I heard "sticks translate into empty hands". Fair enough I suppose. I don't know enough about FMA to argue, so I'll assume this is accurate. My question though is about power and speed the ability for these strikes to really do anything. A boxer for example constantly practices boxing and gets better and better as time goes on. He strikes harder and faster the more he practices.
But what about the FMA practitioner? If almost all training is with sticks, whats to guarantee power/ speed will be there when striking empty handed? Have any of you tried it? What was the outcome? I'm sure many of you have tried other styles, how does the empty hand striking in FMA compare to it?
Again I'm not trying to start anything here, just get some insights from folks who are obviously open to asses what their doing.
Thanks in advace, Chris.
MY DISCLAIMER
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My questions are in no way meant to start a debate, and are certainly not meant to insult. I am asking these questions to this group because I really want your insights.
*********************************************************************************************************
With that out of the way, let me say that my experience in MA's is not all that extensive:
1) About 15 months combination of Muay Thai/ JKD/ and FMA. Then I moved to Az.
2) About 2 years some JKD, some kickboxing/ boxing, some BJJ. I have a real love for this type of training (lots of hitting pads, sparring, resisting opponent). This is in a garage with a guy that has a lot more experience than I do in the above mentioned styles. No belts, ranking, etc. which is fine with me. Recently though an interest in weapons came up, and we found a guy who teaches FMA. He has joined us and we go back and forth on training days between the different styles.
I can honestly say that self defense is probably a secondary benefit behind fun when it comes to my training. One of the concerns I have is that splitting the training time up may leave my empty hand striking skills dwindling. I'm not the best empty hand striker in the world, but I don't want the striking skills that I do have to diminish because I'm spending some precious training time doing sticks. When I've asked this type of question before I heard "sticks translate into empty hands". Fair enough I suppose. I don't know enough about FMA to argue, so I'll assume this is accurate. My question though is about power and speed the ability for these strikes to really do anything. A boxer for example constantly practices boxing and gets better and better as time goes on. He strikes harder and faster the more he practices.
But what about the FMA practitioner? If almost all training is with sticks, whats to guarantee power/ speed will be there when striking empty handed? Have any of you tried it? What was the outcome? I'm sure many of you have tried other styles, how does the empty hand striking in FMA compare to it?
Again I'm not trying to start anything here, just get some insights from folks who are obviously open to asses what their doing.
Thanks in advace, Chris.
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Martial Arts Topics / Re: More or less technical?
« on: November 01, 2007, 08:05:37 PM »
It would appear as though my perceptions were a bit out in left field. I have now trained with this guy a couple times, and asked about his sparring experience. He described his past experience as:
1) No protection. Very light sticks for sparring, but done with no headgear, gloves, etc. Obviously hits to the head are done with control, and pretty minimal.
2) If a knuckle gets broke, tape it up and keep sparring.
3) If you cant hold your stick, tape it into your hand and keep sparring.
He says he has toned it way down in recent years, for various reasons. Either way, I am really doubting he is from the "leave your arm out while I do my twenty cool techs" camp.
1) No protection. Very light sticks for sparring, but done with no headgear, gloves, etc. Obviously hits to the head are done with control, and pretty minimal.
2) If a knuckle gets broke, tape it up and keep sparring.
3) If you cant hold your stick, tape it into your hand and keep sparring.
He says he has toned it way down in recent years, for various reasons. Either way, I am really doubting he is from the "leave your arm out while I do my twenty cool techs" camp.
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Martial Arts Topics / Re: More or less technical?
« on: October 23, 2007, 06:10:58 AM »
My thought is that the reason you got your Butt kicked constantly is NOT, because you did the self defense techs. but the fact that you "very rarley sparred"
You had not trained for that.
Fair enough, entirely possible I suppose.
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Martial Arts Topics / Re: More or less technical?
« on: October 22, 2007, 08:12:03 PM »
Not that it matters much now as Im just going to see what happens training with both instructors, but I think if I was to ask a question like this again it would be slightly modified.
My hang up, with any martial art (not just this one instructor) is to spend too much time working with a totally non resistant opponent. To spend a good portion of training with
1) You throw a number 1 (for example).
2) I block.
3) You leave your arm out there while I do my 20 or so techs.
This is a debate all the time in non FMA forums, so I thought I'd see what your guys take on it is (though I missed the mark by quite a ways). We trained this way a lot, but very rarely sparred, in a school I used to go too. I then switched schools, and got my ass kicked constantly in sparring. Pulling off a tech when someone leaves their arm in the air is not tough. As mentioned Im a newbie, and my thinking may change on this topic over time. The "two man drills" (that may not be what their called, "heaven 6" for example) make sense to me as we are both practicing.
I have the unique opportunity of being able to train with both schools of thought at the same time, so I'd be a fool to not jump on it. I am definately open to learning what I can where I can at this point, so in this situation theres no way I can lose.
My hang up, with any martial art (not just this one instructor) is to spend too much time working with a totally non resistant opponent. To spend a good portion of training with
1) You throw a number 1 (for example).
2) I block.
3) You leave your arm out there while I do my 20 or so techs.
This is a debate all the time in non FMA forums, so I thought I'd see what your guys take on it is (though I missed the mark by quite a ways). We trained this way a lot, but very rarely sparred, in a school I used to go too. I then switched schools, and got my ass kicked constantly in sparring. Pulling off a tech when someone leaves their arm in the air is not tough. As mentioned Im a newbie, and my thinking may change on this topic over time. The "two man drills" (that may not be what their called, "heaven 6" for example) make sense to me as we are both practicing.
I have the unique opportunity of being able to train with both schools of thought at the same time, so I'd be a fool to not jump on it. I am definately open to learning what I can where I can at this point, so in this situation theres no way I can lose.
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Martial Arts Topics / Re: More or less technical?
« on: October 21, 2007, 07:49:30 PM »
Thanks to all. I read the suggested threads and they were both informative. It would appear as though instructor 2 is going to start training with instructor 1 and I, and we will blend it all up and see how it shakes out. Very different schools of thought/ training styles, so we'll see.
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Martial Arts Topics / Re: More or less technical?
« on: October 17, 2007, 02:48:09 PM »
Awesome, thanks!
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Martial Arts Topics / More or less technical?
« on: October 16, 2007, 01:07:33 PM »
First and foremost, howdy all. You guys are impressive, and an asset to martial arts of any style. Anyways, I want to add some FMA to empty hand stuff I've been doing. I have two options:
Instructor 1) I currently do MMA with him (though neither of us ever compete, or ever will for that matter). He has done some FMA in the past, but found it overly complicated when it didn't need to be. He also found that most of what he learned, he couldn't apply in sparring. Coming from an MMA mindset, he stripped out much of it, and concentrates on the basic strikes, two man drills, and sparring. This sparring is NOT to the level that you folks are at, but it is against a resisting opponent just the same. No "leave your arm out and don't move while I do my 10 techniques" from this instructor.
Instructor 2) I think just the opposite of number 1. I haven't met him yet, only emailed back and forth. Seems pretty cool. However, when asked about sparring his response was something along the lines of "my system is for combat not sparring". He said he does spar, but very rarely. I have no reason to doubt he knows what he's doing. I get the impression his system is very "technical", and focuses on more intricate techs. He may come to train with instructor 1 and I this Saturday, so I'll know more then. I live outside Phoenix, so coming to your classes on a regular basis is obviously out. So my questions (finally):
1) I have no doubt I will get bored quickly if I hardly ever spar, which definately lends to my training with number 1 (plus I've already been with him for a while). However, is there a lot that can be missed in FMA by primarily training only things which can be applied in sparring?
2) Are intricate techniques (more complicated) something you guys try to stay away from, or are drawn too? From watching your sparring clips I'd say probably not, but I don't see whats going on in your normal classes, hence the question.
Instructor 1) I currently do MMA with him (though neither of us ever compete, or ever will for that matter). He has done some FMA in the past, but found it overly complicated when it didn't need to be. He also found that most of what he learned, he couldn't apply in sparring. Coming from an MMA mindset, he stripped out much of it, and concentrates on the basic strikes, two man drills, and sparring. This sparring is NOT to the level that you folks are at, but it is against a resisting opponent just the same. No "leave your arm out and don't move while I do my 10 techniques" from this instructor.
Instructor 2) I think just the opposite of number 1. I haven't met him yet, only emailed back and forth. Seems pretty cool. However, when asked about sparring his response was something along the lines of "my system is for combat not sparring". He said he does spar, but very rarely. I have no reason to doubt he knows what he's doing. I get the impression his system is very "technical", and focuses on more intricate techs. He may come to train with instructor 1 and I this Saturday, so I'll know more then. I live outside Phoenix, so coming to your classes on a regular basis is obviously out. So my questions (finally):
1) I have no doubt I will get bored quickly if I hardly ever spar, which definately lends to my training with number 1 (plus I've already been with him for a while). However, is there a lot that can be missed in FMA by primarily training only things which can be applied in sparring?
2) Are intricate techniques (more complicated) something you guys try to stay away from, or are drawn too? From watching your sparring clips I'd say probably not, but I don't see whats going on in your normal classes, hence the question.
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Martial Arts Topics / how long to "spar"
« on: November 07, 2004, 08:38:56 PM »
This stuff looks crazy. How long does it take most people to be able to spar with sticks in FMA?
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