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Martial Arts Topics / Re: How Often to Fight?
« on: January 12, 2012, 11:39:56 PM »
i liked this, and it's great to know Salty Dog is fighting again, i loved watching his fights on tape.
The topic has often weighed on my mind. I still practice martial arts several times per week, but the itch of testing myself at a Gathering comes from time to time. I think during the first few Gatherings the chatter in my head cricled around doubt and fear, then the fighting became fun/enjoyable (with the chatter becoming whispers instead of shouts). With a long lay off the chatter has time to come back (watching the highlight videos of the past few Gatherings is intense  :-o), but now i can recognize it and manage it for what it is. the issue of fighting too little has occured to me (last stick fight was in 2008 i think and before that 2004. damn), though i think i got what i came for during those years (as a young man). Fighting in Gatherings have been some of the most memorable and profound experiences I've had, it's great to know that more and more people and places are participating in RCSF

Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA: How to fight the taller fighter?
« on: January 12, 2012, 11:04:19 PM »
prentice: great points. jon jones is an incredible talent, he's going to be hard to beat anywhere during a fight. it will be fun to see if anyone can solve his riddle.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA: How to fight the taller fighter?
« on: January 06, 2012, 01:23:34 AM »
For Prentice: I think keeping your hands up, creating your shell is a good option, but the suggestion is one in which the small guy needs to be a counter fighter. Which is fine, but then you're playing a waiting game/weathering the storm and hoping you can counter. What would be your ideas for initiating attacks or bringing the fight to the taller opponent (if you have take the belt in a title fight, if he has your lunch money or whatever, but the idea is you need to come forward)?

Randy Couture was able to throw an overhand cross and then use his grinding clinch against the larger Tim Sylvia. And I think Gray Maynard had a good reach advantage over Frankie Edgar. So I think there's models out there. Jon Jones is just really great with his tools. Hopefully he keeps a level head (24 year old world champion probably has lots of temptations). Not sure who beats him at LHW.

I though Lyoto had part of the answer through footwork, but he got caught  :cry:
i think it's about the angles you can create, Lyoto is great at controlling the range and has good takedown defense. He lost but I think his strategy still has merit.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: My Silat in Indonesia Adventures
« on: October 19, 2011, 04:28:19 AM »

awesome post. i look forward to reading more. Can I ask what work you are doing in Surabaya? (I *almost* moved there like 3 years ago)


great vid!

Martial Arts Topics / Re: European “Gathering of the Pack” 2011
« on: August 21, 2011, 09:04:33 PM »
The video of the Euro Gathering on the main page is AWESOME  :-D

Great fights, great heart, great techniques. Guro Lonely is a beast. All the fighter's looked terrific. I loved the double stick stuff and watching fighters close the distance. The three section staff was very cool. The space look great (and the floor looked hard). Having Red Sonja (both woamn fighters moved very well) fighting was pretty cool too. The fencing at the end was beautiful to watch.

nice post by Poi Dog, good luck to all
it's an important day, try and remember that it can be fun as well

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Movies/TV of interest
« on: July 05, 2011, 03:08:49 AM »
Haven't watched the Game of Thrones yet, but I enjoyed the books (and waiting for book 5 later this month)

They have ben airing the second season of Top Shot on the history or discovery channel over here. I'm not really a gun guy but i like some of the shooting/marksmanship challenges they have

great video, the fighters looked amazing. :-o

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Ranges observed in the fights
« on: May 24, 2011, 03:34:54 AM »
I'll add that in most martial arts, the fighting does not resemble the training,
response to Gints:

Well, I wouldn't group DBMA with most martial arts either :wink: but I think for a few guys the fighting resembles the training. I remember watching Guro Lonely Dog (who is an exceptional fighter, but not the exception) control the range of the fights he was in quite well, choosing when to close, and imposing his game/strategy on others. No doubt the training is on specific skills like crashing appropriately,etc. but it's amazing that in the full speed, adrenalized chaos of a fight he (and others) pull them out consistently. I would hazard a guess that in the lead up to a Gatheirng they practice several drills at full speed to develop timing and comfort in the adrenal state, but a lot of skills, such as coordination, moving feet and sticks together in concert take time to develop and most likely require development at slower speeds of training with cooperative opponents. Training for fighting and other skill development occur jointly.

Arts where constant testing are applied need to go at two speeds also. Boxers add pad work, bag work, footwork, and other drills as well since you can't afford to have someone trying to punch your head all the time. There's a learning speed and a fighting speed. Teaching people to differentiate between their conditioning/training/learning speed and fighting speed is important, I think the first time I competed in martial arts I was amazed at how fast things seemed to move (adrenal state), though learning at slower speeds helped me identify what my opponent was trying to do.

Practicing BJJ at different speeds, whether 1/2 speed or full speed, seems to make no difference when going against a blackbelt (for me). Whether I'm fatigued or not they are able to contol the game and impose many varied techniques against me, even when I know what they are trying to do and how to counter it. Through balance, control, understanding, and years of training they move between different ground positions (ranges?),and while a choke is a choke there seemed to be many variations top guys employ to get that extra bite, just like i can think of several kinds of jabs, I can think of several rear naked choke variations, the more you have in your repertoire the better prepared you are.

Really can't add anything more to what Guro Crafty said. it's well worth the re - read (and another).
I think training in transitioning between the ranges has helped me quite a bit. Within the transition to the clinch or out of the clinch, the clinch to the ground, or the ground back to the feet lots of little things, adjustments, head position, stick position, etc make a difference. Although I feel some ranges come and go quite quickly, that space between corto and clinch, out of the clinch, and clinch to ground requires solid time training in the ranges to understand their possibilities. There's a need to understand the 'traditional' ranges, the fighting ranges,  plus transitions between ranges which reflects Guro Crafty's comments on composure in his final paragraph.

Instead, opponents close and hug (because it's safer) and typically fall to the ground and roll around without causing much damage until fight buzzer is over, well, because it's hard to do anything else. 

Last week my boxing coach tied me and my classmate together preventing us from working the outer range, I found the inner ranges just as nerve racking.  Tying to establish the hug or the clinch required more energy and I took repeated hooks to the body. ugh.
In the stickfighting context, I'm just as worried about being able to pick up punyos in the close range. ouch.

All of this is viewed in the light of, once you step up, your personal safety is not ( and should not be) a concern of your adversary.  Your own safety must be your concern.  Footwork will do a lot, I agree; but at the end of the match, one of the combatants must go down.  My question is more along the lines of how this is done so that everyone can walk away from it massive medical expenses.

A few things

Actually, part of the code is that my adversary's personal safety IS my concern. The aim is to test yourself and to be friends at the end of the day. people who partake in the gathering understand this. No one "must go down." That thinking isn't really part of it. It isn't a street fight. The goal isn't to break somebody, but to support each other's development as martial artists.

Yes, it is dangerous, but in 20 plus years, there have been hundreds of fighters, and THOUSANDS of fights with few serious injuries. the DB safety record is pretty strong.

And actually the day after the Gathering I'm usually up and out early with lots of energy instead of in bed, it feels great.

Guro - 6! i stand corrected, my memory fades! there was a lot going on that day  :wink: I do remember the speech though  :-D
Just to echo what Guro mentioned, the attacking blocks and snaggletooth material really provided a foundation for protecting my IQ during fights. great stuff (and fun drills)

Because we're tough  :-D

I remember a Gathering several years ago where there were between 30 - 25 fighters and 8 people ended up with concussions/severe head blows which prompted a speech by Guro Crafty on the importance of protecting your head. I have seen other injuries as well.  :cry:

BUT if you train your footwork, blocking, approaches, etc, then you will have a skill set that gives you the confidence to carry you through the day. there's always a lot going on and more experienced guys seem to know where and when they can take a hit versus what they need to protect. Plus trying to hit a guy who is moving well/fast and trying to hit you really hard can be quite difficult as well.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Thailand Travels?
« on: February 28, 2011, 03:50:36 AM »
Hi dan,

  I love internet magic - I'm in Thailand! Feel free to email me with any questions at:

in short though, it's pretty safe/quiet here now (but not in the south), and most protests take place in certain areas of the city (and probably won't really pick up until April) and are easily avoided. the tourism infrastructure here is top notch, and seeing fights, going to meditation, practicing yoga are all easily accessible. it's pretty safe for tourists (i think the biggest dangers for tourists now is themselves - drinking and riding motorcycles is pretty common on the islands it seems)

Porn star dog

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Guro Poi Dog
« on: February 28, 2011, 03:40:34 AM »
Awesome! congrats Poi Dog  :-D

congrats and good luck!

Martial Arts Topics / Re: R.I.P. C-Desert Dog
« on: February 21, 2011, 07:41:49 AM »
damn. i never met him, but this makes me very sad.  :cry:

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Krabi Krabong dvd
« on: February 01, 2011, 07:08:46 PM »

So when the opponents stick is coming in at an angle toward my neck, I'm blocking it with my front stick, however the stick that is up in the ready position somtimes gets hit which makes it bounce back toward my head. 

With double swords/sticks in KK I do not usually cross block. When he attacks with his right hand i block with my left, when he attacks with his left I block with my right switching my stance/lead foot as i step backward

If you are trying to meet all blocks with your lead hand while shuffling back, keeping the same lead forward, I would lower the high chamber of your non blocking hand, and bring that hand lower towards my waist still ready to thrust if need be (or cycle back to strike if needed). try to keep your hand in the starting stance/shell position instead of always in a chamber to strike when defending.
There are positions for your hands when moving forward in the traditional movements that hold the hands in a high chamber for striking while moving forward, and the positions of your hands/swords/sticks are different when moving backwards.

And yes, KK has a lot of met the force energy, so when in doubt, more power in your blocks (without over extending)

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Krabi Krabong dvd
« on: January 31, 2011, 11:01:19 PM »
I love this DVD as well. KK is a sword art (no letting your own stick hit your head!), and they aim to keep the pointy end always facing the opponent. A lot of KK revolves around power and you need to be able to meet the power shots with your blocks. I am trying to visualize your block,i'm assuming your partner is coming down with his sticks vertically and you are meeting his strikes with your sticks crossed? You really need to punch out your block a bit (but not like reaching out to block, just blocking with a bit of pop in it when his strikes are about to land) and be able to deliver you counters right after blocking (or kicking simultaneously while blocking)


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Movies/TV of interest
« on: January 07, 2011, 09:00:29 AM »
A friend sent me this clip of a korean film. it's pretty violent, but there are two nice action sequences. starting at around 5 min and then at 11 min. knife vs multiple attackers and knife vs kerambit. lot of intensity.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: WHERE IS THE FOOTWORK!?!
« on: December 02, 2010, 07:51:58 PM »
Some other things that may open him up a bit for footwork and moving his stick are trying

two on one scenarios/sparring or three on one scenrarios
the prison riot drill
target his hand while sparring or just spar only using the hand(s) as a target
you spar with a stick and knife which will discourage him from closing, force him to work something other than the close

i can try to think of some other things, i'm sure several people may have ideas. I think the above can help him recognize his gaps, and then return to combining stick and footwork. Or show him some of the fight footage from the DVDs and see if he can emulate one of the fighters.


There's a good group in the Bay Area. Contact Gints, he posts on these forums under the name Sting.

old article on the group

Martial Arts Topics / Re: DB 9/10 Gg of Pack clip
« on: October 14, 2010, 09:06:23 PM »
great video. loved pappy's spinning backhand. good looking fights, i'm always amazed by the amount of skill all of the fighters have.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: DB on PPV TV
« on: October 01, 2010, 12:29:56 AM »
Congrats Guro Crafty! great exposure, hopefully it will attract more people to the DBs.

As far as privacy - We come to the Gathering to test ourselves, everything else, in the end, is just noise. I understand the fear of being on the wrong side of someone's highlight reel, but try and to remember the reasons you were attracted to the Gathering in the first place.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: DB Euro Gathering 8/13-14, 2010
« on: July 29, 2010, 07:49:57 PM »
wow. is that 50 plus people fighting?! good luck to all!

Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA Thread
« on: May 31, 2010, 09:12:58 AM »
Rashad really utilized good footwork to lunge into range, land strikes, and then jump out. Other times he used his strikes to close distance and push Rampage against the cage. His striking looked good against Rampage, but I think Lyoto would've knocked him out again if they were fighting last night (though there's different strokes for different folks).

One thing Rashad does is let his hands way down (although being loose is a good thing) and sway about in what almost looks like a small Capoeira step.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Dog Brothers Open Gathering Sept 19, 2010
« on: May 30, 2010, 09:45:50 AM »'s some time away, and the answer is YES. good conditioning is important, one thing that separates new comers from people who have fought before is the experience of being in the adrenal state. Put some time into hard sparring (either in stick or MMA), get the feeling of being under pressure. i feel it's hard to hard to get to (for me) unless it's in a stick fight, try using light rattan for sparring and work your way up with some trusted partners.

good luck :-D

Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA Thread
« on: March 31, 2010, 11:17:33 PM »
I just saw the fight this morning and as a person whose had knee surgery I was pretty disgusted by it. That is easily a career ending submission and could significantly inhibit the fighter's quality of life, ability to generate an income, etc. He tapped, and considering that Palhares is extremely experienced, he should have let go. He knew exactly what he was doing, and his excuse is pretty lame.

I remember talking to a couple of people, one LEO, who had been sliced with a knife. THey siad they didn't even realise it unitl after the fight and they were bleeding.  :-o

Martial Arts Topics / Re: WHERE IS THE FOOTWORK!?!
« on: March 11, 2010, 02:07:13 AM »
There is brief footage in a promo video of Lyoto using a cone drill to develop his footwork. good stuff.

I remember watching the fights at the Return to Ramblas a few years ago, I was actually amazed at the amount of ground some of the fights covered while fighters were in engagementwith each other. It was much different than fighting in the RAW gym.

There was a highlight video of one of the Gatherings on the member's site awhile ago (forgot to renew, working on it) showing fights in a fairly small space. Not sure if it was stick or knife, but you can see some great footwork as one fighter moves around repeatedly to avoid being cornered by a larger fighter.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: WHERE IS THE FOOTWORK!?!
« on: March 04, 2010, 01:49:44 AM »
Was reading this article on Manny Pacquiao, and liked this note on footwork from Freddie Roach...

"Everyone thinks he wins because of his hand speed, but it's his foot speed," Roach said. "You have to make both feet work together. His hands and feet are in balance, and that's the difference between him and so many others. It started coming together before the Diaz fight [in June 2008]. We work on patterns, drills, and by the fight most people don't know what's up. He's at the point now where it's all just about reactions, no thinking."

Anyways, looking forward to the fight...

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Spring 2010 DB Tribal Gathering
« on: February 07, 2010, 08:28:42 AM »
Guide Dog fighting against mai sowks? damn that takes some balls.  :-o

Posting on this thread at an attempt for thread coherence, though I could've sworn that there was another book thread.

Anyways, there is a sale at Paladin Press, some entertaining and interesting titles...

Martial Arts Topics / Re: DBMA Kali Tudo (tm) Training Camp Feb 6-7
« on: January 09, 2010, 04:31:33 AM »
great promo video on youtube  :lol:

Martial Arts Topics / Re: DBMA Membership
« on: December 23, 2009, 08:19:35 PM »
it's going to be my new year's present to myself  :-D

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Need Help Getting back into the swing of things
« on: December 23, 2009, 08:16:50 PM »
Sometimes we hit a slump, I'm currently stuck in the rhythm of the seasons - winter is for resting. Although I'm still going to the gym too, sometimes a small break from your training is a good thing. You don't need to feel guilty or force it, the desire will come back on its own. This past week I've been re - watching my DB DVDS and some other FMA instructionals giving me some food for thought and ideas for training/drills/stick work/etc. When I'm ready to start regular training again I'll be on GO.

Another consideration is to make your martial arts training a part of your daily routine. Until a few weeks ago, I would just play with the sticks for 20 min a day. It's kind of like my meditation. Sometimes it's serious, but mostly it's just playing around to relax. No need to be pumped up, just sort of chill. Even with the heavy bag, just turn some relaxing music on and play at different striking combinations. It'll help ease your return to more intensive training.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: DBMA DVD: "The Bolo Game"
« on: December 13, 2009, 06:59:54 AM »
this looks greats, kudos to Night Owl for another great trailer, loved the soundtrack and the boxing footage

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Vid-clip of 9/20/09 DB Open Gathering
« on: November 20, 2009, 05:07:00 AM »

looks like lots of off lead fighting...

Pappy and Poi look sharp (they still scare me), all of the fights looked pretty vicious, it's good motivation to keep training and get better  :-D

and great cuts by Linda (My sister trains so I sent the link to her so that she can be suitably inspired)

good to see War Dog fighting also!


Martial Arts Topics / Re: The Dog Brothers Tribe
« on: October 11, 2009, 04:01:20 AM »
congrats to linda!

Martial Arts Topics / Re: DBMA DVD: "The Bolo Game"
« on: October 11, 2009, 03:56:22 AM »
Great news!

I was lucky enough to study with Guro Crafty at the Inosanto Academy for awhile and I remember learning the bolo game. It's a great tool to have in your toolbox, i look forward to the DVD and seeing some of the generators/training techniques being used.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: September 20, 2009 Gathering
« on: September 19, 2009, 10:06:20 AM »
stay healthy, hit hard.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Happy Birthday Marc!
« on: August 27, 2009, 05:27:09 PM »
Happy Birthday Guro Crafty!
thank you for all that you have given me over the years


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Tao of the Dog
« on: August 22, 2009, 07:58:48 PM »
congratulations guru   :lol:

Martial Arts Topics / Re: The Dog Brothers Tribe
« on: April 07, 2009, 11:20:19 AM »


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Daily Expression of Gratitude
« on: March 19, 2009, 05:24:41 PM »

Martial Arts Topics / Re: April 2009 US Gathering
« on: December 07, 2008, 06:47:16 PM »
If I'm recovered from knee surgery I'd love to make it out. Last years April Gathering had a tremendous amount of heart and skill. I don't want to fill out a dance card without a guarantee of being there, but if I make it, I'd love to have a good fight with Red Dog and Frankfurter  :-D


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Boxing Thread
« on: December 07, 2008, 06:40:24 PM »
wow. I had Oscar going into the fight. Pac was great. good movement, he controlled the range really well.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: SCA
« on: November 30, 2008, 02:27:32 PM »
there was/is a thread on SCA buried somewhere on this forum. A few dog bros. have done it and had good things to say about it.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: What would you like to see from DBMA?
« on: November 12, 2008, 06:02:19 PM »
i like the Grandfathers series too!

i think one of the most valuable things is when you break down a fighter's structure and then show techniques utilized against that structure as in the Dos Triques dvd. So perhaps a dvd on ten common structures or situations you would find yourself in a stickfight and ways/techniques to meet them.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Any Training Groups Near San Diego?
« on: November 05, 2008, 07:49:01 PM »
i think there are a couple of pack members around San Diego. If you are willing to make the drive up to LA on saturdays, the DBMA class at the Inosanto Academy is well worth the trip.

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