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Martial Arts Topics / Re: soempat
« on: September 23, 2008, 01:51:26 PM »
Hello all,

Just for clarification's sake Serak and Soempat are separate arts (although I suppose it could be said that Soempat is a "daughter" art of Serak in the same manner that Tongkat or Bukti Negara are.) Soempat is the personal expression of Maha Guru Victor's teacher Pak Tisari Mardjoeki and is indeed primarily a stick discipline. Most students of Pak Vic's have some training in the Soempat system but sadly for the interest of testing it in the Dog Brother's laboratory, with the obvious exception of Pak Vic, there aren't currently any individuals that I'm aware of that are trained high enough in that particular art that I would consider a fair representation of it at a Gathering. (Although there are definitely plenty of very qualified Serak players out there.)

At the risk of sounding "cop out-y," or falsely "brag-y" I personally would not wish to see a fight with some hefty Soempat sticks involved strictly from a safety perspective. Before I get jumped on let me say that my worries don't stem from the "lethality" of the system or anything silly or hubristic like that but my concerns arise just from the physicality of the shape of the sticks. Any headshots that might slip through would essentially be the equivalent of a punyo strike but delivered at "full swing" velocity.

(Oh, I suppose that I should also clarify that work matters have prevented me from training for several months so I apologize to anyone if I am speaking out of turn and any comments I make are my own and in no way represent Pak Vic or the VDT Academy. Seems unnecessary and silly but folks do tend to misrepresent on the Intranetz. Y'all are shocked I know... :wink:)

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Filipino martial arts schools near Whittier?
« on: March 13, 2008, 06:09:36 AM »
...Has anyone trained in Long Beach with Travis Downing?...

I cannot recommend Travis Downing and all the cats at Integrated highly enough. Great group and between the Inosanto/LaCoste, Sayoc and Atienza systems they provide a nice range of styles. Definitely worth calling up and checking out.

Also echoing C-Guide Dog's observation that the Inosanto Academy is practically just down the 105 from you. Well worth what drive that entails (and I commute from Lakewood to Westwood daily so that's not just speculation on my part)

Martial Arts Topics / Re: The Older Warrior
« on: February 15, 2008, 02:38:07 PM »
This one might be kind of obvious these days but I would also heartily recommend supplementing your diet with a joint complex that contains Glucosamine, Chondroitin, and/or MSM (methylsulfonylmethane.) If you can find one that also contains Boswellia even better. (If you have a local Whole Foods market they have just such a complex available under their own brand that is a good deal less expensive than some of the more widely visible brands. I'm not shilling, just trying to inform.)

(Oh as a caveat if you are allergic to shellfish, then you probably should avoid any of the joint complexes that contain Glucosamine as it is derived from processing their shells. Since the allergen is mostly located in the flesh it should be safe, but if you are especially sensitive to it then it's probably not worth risking it)

I also recommend Coenzyme Q10 to help maintain a happy circulatory system. I know it has helped me a lot as I make my way closer and closer to resembling this thread's title.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: The Dog Brothers Tribe
« on: November 20, 2007, 02:26:31 PM »
Howzabout "C-Alpha Bitch?"

Seriously, big congrats Linda!!

Martial Arts Topics / Re: VIDEO CLIPS OF INTEREST
« on: October 12, 2007, 11:30:14 AM »
A few years ago there was a website around that was devouted to Shastar Vidiya which supposedly was the martial forefather to the more sport-like Gatka. Unfortunately I don't think the site is up anymore. too bad because it had a lot of videos on it and I could see direct relations between it and other SEA martial arts, specifically certain styles of Pentjak Silat but also some very Filipino looking techniques.

Very interesting stuff indeed.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Sayoc kali?
« on: October 09, 2007, 05:11:14 PM »

I believe Tuhon is referring to your reference in the post quoted below.

Hey Sun. I joined up on the Sayok Forums and I am still waiting for approvel for my account and it's been awhile..I did what the forum said and I emailed the webmaster.

I also talked to Steve at Intergrated and he told me to sign up and get my membership so I could get started..Is there anyway you can contact someone over there to push my account though?


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Sayoc kali?
« on: October 01, 2007, 02:28:34 PM »
I believe the group at Integrated is the only official training group in SoCal but check the list at to verify. Rancho Cucamonga is not *ridiculously* far from Signal Hill, and they do train Sayoc Kali on Saturdays. Sounds like you are happy with what you currently are training but it might be worth the drive to at least check it out.

PS Any time you draw a knife and use it against someone you risk going to jail. The only legal instance to use one is in a case of imminent death. I have yet  to see a "blade system" that you wouldn't go to jail for using on someone if used outside of that case and I've yet to see one that will send you to jail if used within that context (all things bing rightly judged of course.)

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Umpad Corto-Kadena
« on: August 15, 2007, 10:43:08 AM »
Sounds very similar to "naga" step patterns and stances prolific in pecak silat systems.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Training too much?
« on: July 25, 2007, 11:00:21 AM »
Start at and then scroll down and look to the right side of the page for a local affiliate.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Training to much?
« on: July 11, 2007, 07:06:31 PM »
I'd also like to add a small but very important thing to all the great advice you are  getting.

Make sue that you are drinking enough water. Seems a simple thing but a lot of people neglect it. If you are working out as much as you say that you are make sure you are taking steps to avoid dehydration. Sports  drinks are good but most of them have far too much sugar and although they work great as a "recovery drink" they do not help hydrate you as much as good ol' agua.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: June 2007 Gathering
« on: May 31, 2007, 12:55:47 PM »
've been meaning to ask DJ (Dan Jackson) about showers.  In the absence thereof I'm thinking some hoses might do  :-D

You mean like these?

picture © Dog Brothers Inc 2005

 :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Martial Arts Topics / Re: VIDEO CLIPS OF INTEREST
« on: April 26, 2007, 11:00:45 AM »
Just saw this and thought it was fairly interesting. (If you can look past the bad foley and sfx)


Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA Disqualifications in California
« on: April 17, 2007, 01:36:26 PM »
Well from the description that I read, it didn't sound like it was done as a guard pass since they say it entailed a kick to the head. The only time that would happen in a "passing the guard" situation would maybe be as just a clip when your feet land on the far side of guard.

But I quickly and freely admit and acknowledge that I did not see the event so I cannot comment with certainty. Just responding based on what I imagine from the written descriptions.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: FMA in San Mateo, CA
« on: April 13, 2007, 05:03:48 PM »
Sayoc Kali sounds about perfect for you Erik. They focus a lot on blades and stick grappling.

Unfortunately I'm not sure of the exact location where the Bay Area training group practices though. The last contact info I have for them is sanfranciscosayoc[at]gmail[dot]com. Try it and see if it works if you are interested.

Martial Arts Topics / Re: 300
« on: March 16, 2007, 05:34:07 PM »
This might be a dumb question and since it was taken from a comic book, I was just wondering about the accuracy of the sword that the Spartans used? I thought it looked pretty cool.

Well I'm far from an expert on the topic so anyone feel free to correct me, but it looked like to me that the swords used in the movie seemed like they were a stylized version of the falcata which was a sword used primarily in the Iberian(spanish) and celtic lands. As I understand it, the falcata itself is very similar to the greek kopis and makhaira weapons but these most likely would not have been used by foot soldiers who, due to their tactical use of the phalanx formation would prefer straight-bladed, thrusting swords like the xiphos over the curvier, slashing blades which most likely were used primarily by cavalry.

So to sum up, if you are asking if it's accurate that there were weapons sort of similar to the design of the ones in the movie in use around that time the answer is "yes," but if you are asking if its accurate that Spartan hoplites would have been using them the answer is "probably not."

I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than I will give better details (or even show that I am way off-base.)

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Movies of interest
« on: December 09, 2006, 05:04:31 PM »
OK, so I know this thread is about movies but I didnt think it was worth creating a whole new thread..
I was playing World of Warcraft (yeah.. Im a geek, whatever.. lol) but I totally forgot about this interesting reference, this character is a weapons trainer.

If you look hard enough you will find at least two more references to Kali or Silat in that game... one of which is Dog Brothers specific (...or maybe I should say specific to a specific Dog Brother) both of them are weapons.


Martial Arts Topics / Thx Marc Denny cause of you I am getting married!
« on: August 23, 2005, 01:32:37 PM »
<insert generic comment about the many benefits of "full-contact" training here>

Congratulations Vince!

Martial Arts Topics / training in los angeles
« on: August 16, 2005, 05:04:44 PM »
Well, my immediate response would be the obvious one, Guro Dan's (, but LA's a big area and that might be a drive for some folks.

Whereabouts are you located?

(Just wanted to 'bump' this post up to remind folks about this seminar this weekend. Great chance to see this terrific system if you haven't gotten to yet.)

Martial Arts Topics / Krabi Krabong in the Movies
« on: July 06, 2005, 05:52:17 PM »
Dunno if its been mentioned here before, but you can also catch snippets of some krabi krabong action in a movie called "The Legend of Suryothai"

While not a 'martial-arts' movie per se, its more of a 'historical-epic' a la "Braveheart" and the like and it has some great battle scenes. I recommend it.

Any movie with lines like "Ready the men, and arm the elephants" has to be great, right?

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