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Martial Arts Topics / Re: DB Seminar in Tulsa
« on: August 24, 2006, 08:56:36 AM »
Woof All,

Due to my family and I relocating to Colorado the Tulsa seminar scheduled for Oct  is postponed. 

Myke Willis

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Next gathering...
« on: August 14, 2006, 05:16:02 PM »

Thanks for the advice. I hope to bang with you in Nov.  Guro C. anything you care to share to help this poor old man get ready. :evil:

First time sex.  Thought I was great for the first 10 seconds. :-)


Martial Arts Topics / Next gathering...
« on: August 09, 2006, 04:26:26 PM »
Woof all,

I am hoping to take part in the next gathering.  Any suggetions to training solo.  It is almost impossible to get serious hardcore training partners in my area.


Myke Willis

Martial Arts Topics / Law Enforcement issues
« on: July 31, 2006, 07:45:12 AM »
Keep Pursuits in Context
Information is critical for risk management
Posted: July 27th, 2006 04:36 AM EDT

EVOC Contributor

We hear a lot in the media about pursuits, especially when they turn out bad. The simple truth is that, unless someone is injured or killed as the result of a pursuit, you'd probably never read anything about pursuits at all. In fact, it's probably safe to say that, absent some sort of injurious outcome, most members of the public really don't care how much we pursue, or whether we pursue at all. It's sort of one of those "out of sight, out of mind" things.

However, should someone get hurt, be it citizen or officer, the sky falls in on us. Newspapers are rife with stories regarding the incident, and it's not uncommon to read analyses of pursuit trends in the area of the chase. A typical story includes information regarding the number of pursuit related injuries and fatalities in, say, the last year. Sometimes, statistics from your geographic area are compared against national estimates, usually with commentary from some "expert," regarding how bad your numbers are. There's almost always a statement regarding the need for better policies and more restrictions.

Here's the thing: you almost never read these statistics in context--that is, against the background of your department's general traffic enforcement efforts, or your number of successful pursuits. One wonders why that is.

The Need for Context

Although the situation is improving, albeit way too slowly, it's still pretty common for departments to collect and collate only part of their pursuit related information. Sure, somewhere in the chief's desk is a folder with information, probably including copies of reports, on pursuits wherein someone was injured. It's much less common, however, for there to be accurate statistics on how many injury-free pursuits a department has conducted. That is the missing context.

Here's a possible headline, Two Killed and Three Injured in Police Chases During Last Three Years. That sounds pretty bad, even in a good-sized metropolitan area, and can lead to significant negative feedback from the public, and therefore from governmental decision makers.

Consider the same numbers within this properly documented context, "Over the last three years, the police department has been involved in 412 pursuits, three of which resulted in two suspect deaths and three injured passengers." Still not a good state of affairs, and something that your department would work on through policy, training and supervision, but a much more informed presentation of the facts.

Pursuit Reporting

It's not enough to just collect information on pursuit related injuries and fatalities; departments must also tabulate information on other pursuits. Data should be collected regarding time and location of pursuits, the nature of violations that gave rise to pursuits, the duration of pursuits, and the final outcomes. Recognize that there are nine things that can happen in a pursuit, and eight of them are bad:

The suspect can crash.
The officer can crash.
The suspect can crash into a third party.
The officer can crash into a third party.
The suspect can strike a pedestrian.
The officer can strike a pedestrian.
The suspect and officer can crash into each other.
The suspect can escape.
The suspect can be apprehended.

The fact that most of the time, suspects are apprehended without serious injury to anyone, is information that departments should make sure the media and the public are aware of.

Another important aspect of context is the nature of the offense that gave rise to a pursuit. If most of your department's pursuits are related to simple traffic offenses, that's important information. On the other hand, if you limit pursuits to more serious crimes and situations where the escape of a suspect is more likely to present a greater danger to the public, then tabulation of that data is critical as well.

The Need for Direction

Legal experts advise that there is an expectation that departmental managers will supervise, direct and control activities that could result in harm to citizens or officers. In order to do that, managers need all the information they can get. If detailed data is only being collected when a pursuit has a negative outcome, supervisors and managers don't have what they need to do their jobs. It will be hard to convince a court that administrators are properly managing high risk activity if a department doesn't even keep track of that activity. How can they manage what they don't know?

According to reported research, as well as anecdotal information, most departments have written policies in place regarding the conduct of police pursuits. More and more departments are beginning to collect data on pursuits, similar to that collected on use of force incidents. Once this effort is fully underway, management of police pursuits, and the attendant reduction of risk in those pursuits, will be greatly enhanced.

If your department hasn't adopted a pursuit reporting program, give it serious consideration. The result will likely be safer pursuits and more defensible outcomes.

In the meantime be careful out there, and wear your vest!

Steve Ashley is a retired law enforcement officer who conducts driving and use of force training for an academy in Michigan, and works as a risk manager and expert witness. Steve is a certified trainer in many subjects, and has spoken at many state, national, and international conferences. A police officer for 15 years and a risk manager for 16 years, Steve specializes in training officers to manage high risk activity. A prolific author, Steve has published numerous articles, and writes technology related columns for several periodicals.

Martial Arts Topics / question
« on: July 28, 2006, 01:21:33 PM »
Woof Guro C.,

I have a couple of questions for you.

First.  How do you choose the people you are going to train and after the choice is made how do you decide what or how much to show them?

Also how do you choose who is part of the DB Tribe?



Martial Arts Topics / DB Seminar in Tulsa
« on: July 27, 2006, 04:04:20 PM »
Woof All,

If you are coming in from out of town here are three hotels close to the seminar site.

The Radisson Hotel. Located at 10918 East 41st Street, Tulsa OK. 74146 the average rate is 94.00

Howard Johnson located at 8525 East 41st Street, Tulsa OK. 74145 Average cost 79.00

Guesthouse International Suites located at 8181 East 41st Street, Tulsa OK 74145 Average cost is 63.00

I hope to see as many of you as possible. This is a do not miss seminar.

Any questions please give me a call at 918-361-7056

Myke Willis
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.


Martial Arts Topics / Your carry folder
« on: July 27, 2006, 07:07:40 AM »
I carry 3.  A Gerber, Kershaw and Emerson.


Martial Arts Topics / Law Enforcement issues
« on: July 24, 2006, 09:19:38 AM »
In a Troubled Area, Violence Competes Daily With Progress
The LAPD's 'South Bureau' continues to be a hot spot, with some fearing that civil unrest could erupt at any time.
By Matt Lait and Scott Glover
Times Staff Writers

July 17, 2006

Earl Paysinger doesn't mince words when talking about the 57 square miles of urban landscape he oversees as a Los Angeles Police Department assistant chief.

"It's a violent piece of real estate," the 30-year LAPD veteran said. "This part of the city has always been a great challenge for us."

The real estate he's referring to is South Los Angeles, an area singled out last week by a blue-ribbon panel as a deeply troubled hot spot where tensions between residents and police run so high that civil unrest could erupt at any time.

"It's hanging by a thread," said civil rights attorney Connie Rice, who spearheaded the panel's examination of the LAPD's Rampart Division scandal. "I would not be surprised if something were to blow there this summer."

Police officials and some community leaders acknowledge that there are serious problems to contend with ? but they do not believe the situation is as dire.

Paysinger, in fact, believes that relationships between the LAPD and the community are getting better.

South Los Angeles is policed by four LAPD divisions collectively known as "South Bureau." The district stretches from the Santa Monica Freeway to the Los Angeles harbor.

And, indeed, it is a troubled place: If it were its own city, Paysinger says, it would be the nation's most violent. The homicide rate in 2004 was four times the national average. One South Bureau division ? Southeast, with a population of 150,000 spread over 10 square miles ? had more homicides that year than North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, New Hampshire, Delaware, and Vermont combined. In recent years, as in most of Los Angeles, the bureau's homicide rate has gone down ? but it still runs three times higher than the citywide average.

Grandmothers, Paysinger says, have been known to put children to sleep in bathtubs to protect them from errant gunfire. Researchers believe some children suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder because of all the violence they witness.

Protecting the nearly 700,000 South Bureau residents from the mayhem are 1,460 LAPD officers.

"Those are not good odds," Paysinger said.

According to the report by Rice and the panel, a dangerous combination of factors makes that section of the city volatile: It includes poor, disenfranchised neighborhoods that feel victimized by gangs, drugs and the police who are supposed to protect them, and a "thin blue line" of officers who face life-threatening dangers as they try to keep peace with limited resources.

"These are not just underclass poverty descriptors," warned the Rampart report, "these are the trigger conditions for the city's next riot."

Friction between police and residents in South Los Angeles is nothing new. It touched off the Watts riots in 1965 and the civil unrest in 1992 after the acquittals of the officers involved in the beating of Rodney G. King.

In recent years, high-profile confrontations between South Bureau officers and suspects have riled residents and led to accusations of heavy-handed police tactics:

?  A Southeast Division officer in 2004 was captured on videotape repeatedly striking suspected car thief Stanley Miller with a metal flashlight after a pursuit.

?  An officer fatally shot 13-year-old Devin Brown in 2005 in the 77th Street Division after a car chase in which the youngster allegedly backed up toward the officer.

?  SWAT officers in 2005 mistakenly shot 19-month-old Susie Pena, whose father held her as a shield during a gun battle with police.

After each of those incidents, community leaders and residents accused the LAPD of using excessive force and demanded that officers be held accountable. In response, Chief William J. Bratton and Paysinger met with residents, listened to their complaints and assured them that full investigations would be conducted.

Andre Birotte Jr., the Police Commission's inspector general and a participant in some of those sessions, said he felt the city averted major unrest because Paysinger had invested time in forging key relationships in the community.

"My humble opinion is Earl has saved the city from burning down several times," Birotte said.

Residents are not the only ones frustrated by conditions in South Los Angeles. The perils of policing there were all too apparent last month when a 52-year-old robbery suspect shot and paralyzed Southwest Officer Kristina Ripatti.

The weaponry that officers seize also speaks to the dangers. Last year, police in South Bureau recovered more than 2,000 firearms; so far this year more than 1,000 have been confiscated ? more than in any other area of the city.

"These are the kinds of situations and episodes that make this a very challenging place," Paysinger said.

To overcome the community's mistrust of the LAPD, Paysinger and other police officials proactively try to educate residents on police tactics and keep them informed on both day-to-day activities and major events.

Even some LAPD critics acknowledged the efforts.

Najee Ali, an African American community activist who has helped organize protests against the LAPD, said Bratton and Paysinger "have made tremendous strides in trying to have a dialogue with South Los Angeles leaders, more than any other police administration. And that includes the black chiefs," he said.

The conflicting feelings about the LAPD were apparent last week as Sgt. Al Labrada drove through several housing projects in the Southeast Division. Many residents glared as he went past; a few, however, smiled and offered a quick wave or nod.

"People need more help here than anywhere else," said Labrada, who has worked in South Los Angeles for 10 years. "The majority are good people who want to be able to go to work and live here safely."

Paysinger was recently promoted by Bratton and will soon assume new duties away from South Bureau. His replacement will be Deputy Chief Charlie Beck, who was credited by Rice's panel with dramatically improving the department's relationship with residents in the Rampart Division.

In its report titled "Rampart Reconsidered: The Search for Real Reform Seven Years Later," the panel said Rampart experienced a "turnaround" after the 1999 corruption scandal because police officials embraced a "high road" policing model that emphasized community relationships and problem-solving over the aggressive paramilitary style that has long characterized the LAPD.

The panel recommended that the entire department adopt the same approach. They also called for the hiring of 3,000 more officers departmentwide.

In an interview last week, Rice said her concern about the South Bureau was based on dozens of conversations with residents, officers and others.

"I hope I'm wrong about this, but I don't like the vibe," Rice said. "The anger down there is so palpable. The anger actually blinds people to the good stuff."

John Mack, president of the Police Commission, said he agrees that the relationship between officers and residents in the city's south end is volatile, but not to the degree described by Rice.

"I don't want to be predicting an explosion," said Mack, a longtime civil rights activist who served as president of the Los Angeles Urban League before being appointed to the commission last year.

Mack said "a long history of friction and mutual distrust" has created an environment in which otherwise minor incidents take on added significance.

"It's a tense relationship," he said. "All you need is one incident to have things escalate."

Despite the tension, Mack said he believes police have gained ground in the way they are perceived by most of the community.

"I feel that we are making progress," he said. "Yes, it's too slow. Yet I feel that we are."


Martial Arts Topics / Law Enforcement issues
« on: July 17, 2006, 07:25:20 AM »
Shooting and Movement
Improve your survival potential
Posted: July 7th, 2006 06:02 PM EDT

Firearms Contributor

My students and fellow shooters often ask me what they should work on to improve their firearms skills. There are lots of things, but one that I recommend most highly is to include movement in your range routine. This opens up a whole new world for folks who spend their time on a fixed firing line, usually with others shooting at the same time. The essential need for safety, as well as the limitations of a static range environment, really stifles your real-world gunfight preparation. Some instructors, like John Farnam, make a point of emphasizing movement at their various courses. When the facility makes it possible, it should be a no-brainer. Unfortunately, many law enforcement venues, especially indoor ranges, end up being used primarily as fixed firing lane facilities. It's just easier. But the streets aren't easy.

When discussing movement, I like to point out that it takes several forms. There are basically three situations. First, your target is moving, but you are not. This is probably the easiest one to master, as you remain a stable gun platform while tracking and reacting to the target. It may be the least desirable, however, from a tactical standpoint, as it does make you a fixed target if someone is shooting at you. The second would be if you are moving, but your target is not. From a tactical standpoint, you may be harder to hit, but you also have destabilized your shooting platform, thereby decreasing your accuracy potential. The third situation would be that of both you and your target moving. This, of course, is the most difficult. Another facet of this is whether you are shooting then moving, or shooting and moving at the same time. In a given situation, any of these combinations can occur. And on the street, you can count on the fact that your target will likely be bobbing, weaving, ducking, diving, lunging, turning and maybe just falling down. The replication of these movement patterns is difficult in any range environment, with the exception of force-on-force scenarios. The fact that more and more of that type of training is being used is both encouraging and very revealing about the dynamics of real gunfights. I highly recommend it.

But, assuming you are working with a typical range facility, how should you approach shooting and movement? Well, the easiest method is to practice moving toward or away from your target. On many indoor ranges, this can be done by having someone run the target in and out while you shoot. This generally replicates at least part of the first case I mentioned above. It is the least you should do, if you have a suitable facility. You can also usually work out a way to safely move toward or away from your static target on most ranges, although it depends on who you may have to share the place with while you are there. But think for a moment about the movement pattern itself. At typical police gunfight distances, either advancing or moving directly away from your target doesn't really make the target any easier, or harder, to hit. If you can rapidly close distance from far away, yes, it will help. But at typical distances, it really should not matter, just for the sake of accuracy. Advancing toward your target may be a good tactical maneuver for other reasons, however. A criminal generally arms himself (or herself) in order to get what they want through fear and intimidation--not necessarily because they really want to shoot someone. Aggressively moving toward your target is not the reaction this sort of person is expecting. In the right circumstances, you can gain a real psychological advantage, if your movement shooting skills are up to the task. Moving away, however, can be problematic. Unless you are necessarily moving to available cover, backing up is not making you a more difficult target for your opponent and it may cause you to move in an unwanted direction--down. Tripping is a distinct possibility, and being on the ground will not improve your situation. In addition, if you have an aggressive opponent who is moving toward you, you are at a distinct disadvantage. You cannot possibly back up as quickly as your opponent can move forward. This is one reason why you can seize the initiative from your opponent by advancing yourself. You should practice both, but rearward movement is usually a last resort option.

It gets really interesting when you encounter lateral (or diagonal) movement. Here is where your practice can really pay off. You have the facilities to do so, where the usual street criminal does not (most criminals who carry a gun don't get much practice time. Thank goodness!). When your opponent moves laterally, it is harder to achieve accurate shot placement. If you are both moving, results will favor the prepared. That should be you. These things work both ways, so it is important to find a way to incorporate both target movement and shooter movement into your practice time. This is usually the tough one, as most facilities don't have the capability for the targets to move laterally. If yours does, great! Make the most of it. Work on shooting and moving at the same time, and on shooting and then moving (or moving and then shooting--you get the idea). There are, of course, safety considerations when people are moving and shooting in a training environment. It is worth the trouble to work it out.

What if you don't have the facilities? Participate in one of the so-called practical, tactical, or defensive shooting sports. Yeah, they are competitive and that does make them "games." So what? They may be the best/only game in town, so make the most of it. Each of the sports has different rules and procedures, but just being able to participate in dynamic situations, no matter how contrived, will rapidly improve your skills. I participate in the monthly matches run by First Coast IDPA (International Defensive Pistol Association), at the Gateway Rifle and Pistol Club, in Jacksonville, FL. The cadre there regularly designs shooting stages that challenge you to not only move, but shoot from awkward positions and stances. We routinely do all of the movement combinations, shooting from sitting or lying down, strong-hand, weak-hand, near, far, with back-up guns, you name it. And the entry fee is a whopping $15! It helps that those guys are dedicated to the sport and that one of their leaders, Ed Sevetz, is a firearms instructor with an area sheriff's department. In fact, our April match, in remembrance of the 20 year "anniversary" of the FBI Miami shootout, was designed by Massad Ayoob. Each of the stages replicated, as near as possible, the shooting challenges that the FBI agents involved that day had to face--movement, distance, impaired vision, use of back-up guns, etc. There was also a film and discussion about the lessons learned at such a terrible price.

The Jacksonville group is not atypical of the IDPA clubs I have visited. Find one in your area, have some fun and improve your survival skills. Law enforcement personnel can use their duty gear for competition, or they can work from concealment, like the "civilians." You might also find out some very interesting things about the attitudes and abilities of armed citizens in today's society.

No matter how you do it, however, it is in your best interests to make practicing shooting with movement happen. If your department doesn't provide the training, get it elsewhere. As I have said many times, it is your life that is on the line.

Web Links:

International Defensive Pistol Association

Steve Denney is a former municipal police sergeant, USAF Officer and chief of security/safety officer for a large retirement and healthcare community. A former SWAT officer, crime prevention officer and both military and police firearms trainer, he is currently an instructor for LFI Judicious Use of Deadly Force, LFI Stressfire, and NRA and other defensive tactics disciplines. He currently trains police, military and private citizens. He is a charter member of ILEETA, a member of IALEFI, and serves on the Firearms Committee of ASLET.

Martial Arts Topics / Humor
« on: July 17, 2006, 06:59:56 AM »
A bumper sticker I recently seen in VA.

Last one out of Mexico please turn off the light


Martial Arts Topics / Real Fights
« on: July 14, 2006, 11:13:52 AM »
I have seen my fair share of riots, street violence, ect...

IMHO most of these clips seem to be set ups.

Myke Willis

Martial Arts Topics / Looking for training partners in the DC area
« on: July 10, 2006, 02:46:29 PM »

I will be in the DC area for 14 to 30 days on business and am looking for training partners while I am there.

Also Guro C. has Top Dog made his move to Texas?


Myke Willis

Martial Arts Topics / Law Enforcement issues
« on: July 10, 2006, 09:31:57 AM »
From SWAT to Counter Terror Unit
Is your team prepared for counterterror operations?
Posted: June 19th, 2006 09:52 PM PDT

Security Solutions International

No one in law enforcement doubts that terror will eventually rear its ugly head in the U.S.A. Given that unfortunate certainty, will today's well trained U.S. SWAT and SRT Teams be able to tackle terrorists in the same way they valiantly handle some of the worst criminals? Are the tactics for terror the same?

To make things more difficult, SWAT teams must deal constantly with different situations and adapt quickly to new equipment and weapons both lethal and less lethal. Even if that were enough, there is always policy and procedure.

Terror situations bring a new challenge to this complex task. Terror poses unique, high risk and complex operations with or without hostages. With a little creativity, it is not very hard to envision the scenarios. Schools, cruise ships, shopping malls, theme parks. . .you get the idea?

Terrorists have a different modus operandi. They may be relishing the idea that an entire SWAT team will be breaching their safe house or apartment. The place may already be booby-trapped and ready for the terrorists to take the entire SWAT team with them. Especially with suicide terrorists, the most important part of the mission is to die and take as many people as possible with them.

Israeli counter terror units face this challenge very frequently. Their elite police SWAT unit for terror operations, known by its acronym -- the YAMAM -- must deal with such scenarios. The police in Spain also found themselves surrounding the apartment where some of the perpetrators of the train attacks were holed up. You can say that the Madrid train attacks, that killed 191 persons, was Spain's 911. More than 1,500 were injured, and survivors are still struggling to rebuild their lives.

Imagine tomorrow, intelligence sources have just notified your SWAT team that they have information that there are five suicide bombers in the final stages of preparation before they are all off to attack five soft targets in your city. You have learned that the safe house is located in a crowded suburb, and this time, not everyone in the house is a terrorist! Will you know what to do?

SWAT teams need to train for the above scenarios by first learning about the enemy they are up against and the new higher threat level they will face at the scene. Simple things like standoff distances are different when dealing with explosives. It is also important to learn that taking appropriate cover against IEDs is not the same as the type of cover and position you would take against someone shooting at you.

That being said, the use of bomb techs on the team to disable booby traps should be a staple, and incorporating all other resources such as K9 and robots should all be included. All involved must train, and the above scenarios worked on prior to the event. Proper communication and coordination can be the difference between success and failure.

Using all your resources to provide the utmost safety for your team is the key. In some cases patience is a virtue. If the terrorist sdo not have hostages, and you succeed in identifying and closing off their location, the ball is now in your court. Time is on your side, and the use of fast and dynamic entries are not the right choice. A slow and deliberate attempt that slowly escalates from a bull horn to less than lethal to flash bangs and up to whatever it takes, would be the appropriate response.

Believe it or not, the hardest part of the mission may be taking the terrorist alive. A successful CT mission brings the terrorist back alive, as they are the source of the needed intelligence to capture the others involved in planning the next attack. Keep in mind that there is no such thing as a simple attack. Even a single suicide attack at a mall in Israel that kills a few unlucky victims requires numerous conspirators, including drivers, handlers, and safe houses. Someone gathers intelligence and others assist with the explosives, and training the bomber for the mission. This is why trying to capture the terrorist alive will in turn save more innocent lives by assisting in getting information to catch the others involved.

At a recent training undertaken by former YAMAM operatives for SSI, the SWAT team took on these challenges and strived to perfect the techniques that would later be incorporated in their CT training programs. The five days of active tactical training began with numerous drills in sealing the objective area in a situation with known terrorists and no hostages in a non-permissive environment. Once sealed, pressure on the terrorists is escalated to get them to come out and surrender if at all possible. Sealing the area begins either by infiltration by foot, or rapid closure using multiple undercover cars. Timing and coordination are very important, so as to leave no avenue of escape. In some cases, the instructors changed the situation as the teams were moving towards the objective. Live explosive charges were used to simulate booby traps.

The training week continued and included training in how to clear buildings and rooms occupied by terrorists, snatching, bus and car interdiction, the use of canines, and the replication of real world terrorist situations experienced by the SSI trainers. The scenarios were carried out in real time.

"We have never trained on what to do against suicide bombers, booby traps and explosives. This has truly open our eyes on what dealing with a terrorist situation will be like," was the comment of the SWAT commander attending the SSI program.

There is no doubt that with the high skill levels already established on our SWAT teams across the country, adding CTU tactics to the training already being conducted, not only makes sense, but is the key to winning the war on terror.

Henry Morgenstern is the president of Security Solutions International, a company that represents Israeli know-how in counter-terror training through several highly qualified colleges, security companies and individual presenters. . A U.S. and Israeli citizen who has work experience in the USA, South America, Europe and Israel, he was educated in the United Kingdom and took an honors degree from the University of Cambridge in 1974. SSI's Suicide Terror Training has been attended by over 150 agencies coast-to-coast.

Martial Arts Topics / Time for Thanks
« on: July 07, 2006, 02:46:35 PM »
Woof Guro C.,

I won't go into detail on an open forum but I want to let you know that what you have shared with me has once again saved my backside.

Myke Willis

Martial Arts Topics / african stickfighting
« on: July 05, 2006, 10:47:32 AM »

Sorry Guro C. I searched the back pages and found nothing.  I know there is a thread on the members forum though.

Anyway, while I was in Eastern Africa a few years back (Djibouti and Somalia) I was introduced to a tribe from SW Ethiopia.  The Surma Tribe has a Tribal get together that involves stick fighting (Donga Stick fighting).  It is both ritual and martial.

Africa: Surma / Stick fighting
ambience: Stick Fight


It's said to be one of the fiercest competitions on the entire African continent. But here among Ethiopia's Surma tribe, the Donga Stick Fight takes place in the name of love.  When their harvest season is over, the Surma people observe a period of courtship, spending days by the river, fingerpainting designs on their bodies. And according to photographer Angela Fisher, co-author of the book "African Ceremonies", the next stage of the Surma courtship tradition is not quite so peaceful.

"Once the bodies are painted and men and women have started courting one another, the other side of courtship starts. Once a week, the Surma men from different villages come together, sometimes walking thirty miles on very small grass paths to meet one another to perform the most wild sport we have ever seen on the entire African continent. The donga stick fight is fought with long, straight poles of about eight foot long made of very hard wood, and the Surma men perform these fights to prove their masculinity, to settle personal vendettas, but most importantly, to win wives."

This competition has only one rule: you cannot kill your opponent.

"And at the end of the day, the winner of the day's fighting bouts is carried out of the arena on a wonderful platform of poles, and he's held high in the air, and he's carried towards a group of very beautiful young girls. So as he arrives, the winner is taken by one of the girls."

Myke Willis

Martial Arts Topics / DB Seminar in Tulsa
« on: June 19, 2006, 05:08:16 PM »





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Martial Arts Topics / DB Seminar in Tulsa
« on: June 09, 2006, 02:20:12 PM »





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Martial Arts Topics / DB Seminar in Tulsa
« on: June 08, 2006, 03:02:38 PM »
Woof All,

Dates will be either 13-14 of Oct or 14-15. I will let all know soon.


Martial Arts Topics / DB Seminar in Tulsa
« on: June 08, 2006, 09:24:28 AM »
Woof all,

Guro C. will be making his second trip to Tulsa, OK in Oct. 2006. For more information contact Myke Willis at


Martial Arts Topics / Seminar in Tulsa?
« on: June 01, 2006, 03:45:57 PM »
Woof Guro C.,

Are you available in Aug.  If not then Oct.

Myke Willis

Guro C.,

Put me down for a copy when it comes out.

Myke Willis

Martial Arts Topics / Wolves & Dogs
« on: May 24, 2006, 04:07:20 PM »
Bee attack kills dog in Sand Springs
By MANNY GAMALLO World Staff Writer

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Officials investigate whether Africanized 'killer bees' stung the Great Dane to death.
SAND SPRINGS -- State agricultural officials will try to determine whether the death of a Sand Springs dog resulted from an attack of Africanized bees.

Gary Phillips, field officer for the state Department of Agriculture, Food & Forestry, said an agent will travel to Sand Springs on Wednesday to collect two bee specimens to determine whether they are the so-called "killer bees."

Phillips said DNA testing will be used to make the final determination.

"If they are Africanized bees, it will be the furthest north they've traveled" in Oklahoma, Phillips said Tuesday.

Since Aug. 6, 2004, when Africanized bees were first spotted in the state, 29 counties -- mostly in the south and west -- have reported swarms of the bees, he said.

The northernmost county to report the bees was McIntosh County last year.

"We've been getting lots of calls on them swarming during the last 14 to 20 days," Phillips said.

The Sand Springs dog attacked by bees Monday night was a 140-pound Great Dane named Stormy.

Dog owner Thomas Forbes of 816 N. Grant Ave. said he and his wife, Judy, were at home  
about 6:30 p.m. when all of a sudden she heard the dog bark, followed by yelping cries of pain.

"She ran to the back door and screamed that something was covering the dog's head and back," Forbes said.

"The dog's head was completely engulfed with bees," Forbes said, "and they were covering her back, too."

Forbes said he is allergic to bee stings, so there was little he could do.

However, he said a neighbor he identified as Bobby jumped the fence and used a fire extinguisher, plus water from a garden hose, to disperse the bees.

Forbes said Stormy was stung up to 400 times.

"We cleaned out 100 stingers alone just from her right ear," Forbes said.

He said the dog died within 30 minutes of the attack.

Forbes said it was the first time he and his family had seen bees in their backyard, noting they were in the yard, sitting around the pool, about a half-hour before the attack occurred.

"They came out of the blue," Forbes said.

He said the bees were in the backyard again Tuesday afternoon.

"We think they might be taking water from the pool," he said.

Forbes said he hasn't spotted a nest yet.

He said Stormy was 2 1/2 years old, "and I've had her since she was a puppy."

The dog was a close companion to the Forbes family, in particular to the couple's 3-year-old daughter, Kaia.

Sand Springs Assistant Police Chief Mike Carter said multiple bee stings have been reported before in the city, but never this massive.

He said city animal control Officer Jimmy Taber told him that bees tend to be rather protective this time of year.

Africanized bees look much like regular honeybees.

However, they tend to nest closer to the ground and are less tolerant of any activity near their nest.

Its sting is no worse than any other bee, except that Africanized bees attack in swarms up to 10 times larger than other bees do, according to experts.

The Africanized bee migrated northward from South America, where some of them got loose in a shipment from Africa 40 years ago.

Last June, several Tulsa residents in the 2700 block of 28th Street North were attacked by bees which had taken up massive nests in trees. They turned out to be Italian honeybees.


Martial Arts Topics / Rambling Ruminations: Knife
« on: May 24, 2006, 08:51:08 AM »

I do enjoy when you ramble about such things.


Martial Arts Topics / Zacarias Moussaoui is guilty!
« on: May 09, 2006, 10:42:51 AM »
Now this scum bag claims to have committed perjury and that he had nothing to do with AQ. What a waste of breathe.


Martial Arts Topics / Zacarias Moussaoui is guilty!
« on: April 14, 2006, 11:52:30 AM »
Moussaoui had fore knowedge of an attack on the U.S. by citizens from a hostile government. Which makes this an act of war. He offered no help to the FBI. So since he had information of this act and kept it to him self that makes him an accessory.

Myke Willis

Martial Arts Topics / First Brent Lewis CD recommendation
« on: April 01, 2006, 07:47:22 AM »
I have to agree Drum Sex.

Myke Willis

Martial Arts Topics / Knife vs. Gun
« on: March 27, 2006, 04:41:44 PM »

Two 1911's a little overkill don't you think.



Martial Arts Topics / Seminar in Tulsa?
« on: March 24, 2006, 04:39:09 PM »
Looking for a training group here in tulsa.


Martial Arts Topics / Knife vs. Gun
« on: March 23, 2006, 07:48:38 PM »

I said nothing about a flat footed gunner. You can move all you want. But if you don't see a weapon what is you justifacation of firing your weapon. I was in fear for my life? From a guy walking up to you with hands in pocket?

Most assailants will not run up on you like a mad man.


Martial Arts Topics / Knife vs. Gun
« on: March 23, 2006, 04:44:40 PM »
IMHO if the knifer knows what he is doing the blade won't be seen until he is on top of you. If he is serious in doing harm he won't be waving the blade around to give the person with the pistol a chance to draw.

They will approach you then attack. What are you going to do shoot because you think he might have a weapon.


Martial Arts Topics / Knife vs. Gun
« on: February 22, 2006, 04:48:08 PM »

Interesting question. IMHO it depends on who has the better draw. Knifeman must close the distance while deploying his weapon. While Gun guy only has to draw and shoot. Most knife people unfortunitly don't train deploying their weapons effectively.

If the knife was already drawn I would go with the knife. But in this scenerio I will take the pistol.


Martial Arts Topics / Craftydog Seminar in Tulsa OK
« on: January 29, 2006, 10:19:52 AM »
Here are a list of hotels in the area of the seminar:

Days Inn
4727 South Yale Ave. 918-496-9300

Double Tree
6110 South Yale Ave. 918-495-1000

Baymont Inn
4530 East Skelly Drive 918-488-8777

Holiday Inn Express
9010 East 71st Street 918-459-5321

Holiday Inn Select
5000 East Skelly Drive 918-622-7000

Red Roof Inn
4117 South Yale Ave. 918-622-6776

Myke Willis
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.


Martial Arts Topics / DB classes coming to Oklahoma
« on: January 27, 2006, 09:44:22 PM »
Woof all,

The class is moving to Saturday afternoons 300-400 starting FEB. 04

Myke Willis

Martial Arts Topics / training in Dallas, TX?
« on: January 25, 2006, 02:55:32 PM »

For anyone in the Dallas area who might be interested:

Renagade Kali Group
Guro Marc Denny of the Dogbrothers

Date: FEB. 11-12, 2006

Times:11:00-4:00 Both days

Location: Adams Muay Thai Academy
6703 # H East 81st
Tulsa, OK

Cost: 150.00 for both days, 90.00 for one day,
If paid before Jan. 28, 2006 120.00

Equipment: Pair of sticks, workout clothing, wrestling/tennis shoes, mouth piece/athletic cup,
Bag gloves, and a training knife

Curriculm: Los Triques, Small Improvised Weapons for the street, Kali tudo (tm), Attacking Blocks/Footwork

For more information contact:
Myke Willis

send payment to:
Myke Willis
8507 East 63rd Street # D
Tulsa, OK. 74133
money orders, cash, bank checks only

Martial Arts Topics / Essential street ground fighting
« on: January 11, 2006, 08:10:31 PM »

Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers or question anyones "manhood". Just another point of view.


Martial Arts Topics / Essential street ground fighting
« on: January 09, 2006, 02:55:03 PM »

I have to admit I am not a big fan of going to the ground in a street fight. Only because I don't want his buddies caving in my ribs or using my head as a soccer ball.

Using your scenerio instead of slamming you on the hood of your car he instead slams you to the ground. Your head bounces off the road While you are out with a concussion he decides to cave in your ribs.

Just my 2 cents.


Martial Arts Topics / Knife vs. Baseball Bat
« on: January 03, 2006, 07:17:46 PM »

IMHO, it depends on who controls the distance. If the knife can bridge the gap then the fight should be his. If not sooner or later the bat will connect and lights out.


Martial Arts Topics / Craftydog Seminar in Tulsa OK
« on: December 12, 2005, 01:54:23 PM »





DATES: FEBURAY 11-12, 2006

TIMES: 11:00-4.00 BOTH DAYS







CELL: 918-361-7056



TULSA, OK.  74133

Martial Arts Topics / DB classes coming to Oklahoma
« on: December 11, 2005, 11:45:14 AM »
Woof all,

Details have all been worked out. Group will start Friday Jan. 06, 2006 time 7:30 to 8:30. Location Adams Muay thai Academy 6703 # H East 81st Street, Tulsa OK Phone 918-488-0707.

Myke Willis

Martial Arts Topics / Craftydog Seminar in Tulsa OK
« on: November 30, 2005, 02:08:37 PM »

The seminar will be limited to 25 people.


Martial Arts Topics / Craftydog Seminar in Tulsa OK
« on: November 30, 2005, 01:43:05 PM »
Woof all,

Guro Crafty will be in Tulsa OK. on FEB. 11-12 2006.
 Times: 11:00-4:00 both days.

Cost: will be 150.00 for both days, 90.00 for one day and if you register before JAN. 28, 2006 the cost will be 120.00.

Location: Adams Muay Thai, 6703 #H East 81st Street, Tulsa, OK.

Epuipment: 2 Sticks, work out clothing, wrestling/tennis shoes, mouthpieces/athletic cup and bag gloves

Any questions call me or e-mail me.


Myke Willis

Martial Arts Topics / Craftydog Seminar in Tulsa OK
« on: November 26, 2005, 01:04:54 PM »
Woof All,

Guro C. is coming to Tulsa OK. I am working with a local hotel trying to get discounted room rates for those who need to spend the night. I need to let the hotel know how many rooms maybe needed.

If you a interested in attending this seminar and need a room let me know.


Myke Willis

Martial Arts Topics / DB classes coming to Oklahoma
« on: November 11, 2005, 10:19:09 AM »
Woof all,

DB Martial Art classes maybe coming to Tulsa. 8)  I will be talking with KK Samuel Adams owner of Sam Adams Muay thai here in Tulsa. If every thing works out there will be two classes a week. :D


Martial Arts Topics / DATE CHANGE DBMA seminar in Tulsa OK
« on: September 26, 2005, 08:53:00 AM »

Gear needed 2 sticks work out clothing (shorts, sweats, ect), gloves, mouthpieces and cup (if male).

Cost is 150.00 for both days, 90 for one day and 100.00 if paid before Oct. 1.

Site TBA. Will have it nailed down by the end of this week (31AUG)

Contact me at 918-294-8599 or


Myke Willis

Martial Arts Topics / DATE CHANGE DBMA seminar in Tulsa OK
« on: August 13, 2005, 10:16:51 AM »
Woof all,

contact info: e-mail: cell: 918-361-7056 or 918-294-8599.

Myke Willis

Martial Arts Topics / Stabbing with a Knife and Blade retraction
« on: August 01, 2005, 04:47:36 PM »
Woof T-bone,

I guess all those sucking chest wounds I saw in combat is a myth also :lol:

My background is in combat and knife instruction. And have used a knife once or twice in my line of work. But I don't mean to brag. :twisted:


Martial Arts Topics / Stabbing with a Knife and Blade retraction
« on: July 31, 2005, 10:00:18 AM »

May I ask how many people you have stabbed?

Myke Willis

Martial Arts Topics / training in Dallas, TX?
« on: July 31, 2005, 09:54:49 AM »

Wanted to let you know that Guro C. will be in Tulsa, OK on Oct. 22-23.

If you are interested contact me for more info at:

Myke Willis

Martial Arts Topics / Stabbing with a Knife and Blade retraction
« on: July 26, 2005, 03:50:05 PM »

When I hear questions like this I often wonder why you would like to know?

Anyway in my experince with knives and the damage they can inflict. The human body is a amazing organizm. When punctured it tries to seal the wound, which could cause the blade to be trapped.

Myke Willis


I have trained with Robert Redfeather a few times.

Very hard core knife training.

About Dog names can't help you there. I do know that the term Ghost Dog is a spiritual term.


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