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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues
« on: August 21, 2009, 07:28:46 PM »
If it can be seen from a public place, then it isn't private. The courts have made this clear.

Secondly, where is the concern for those that suffer in their homes from thugs that invade their neighborhood? What of their rights?

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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues
« on: August 21, 2009, 07:02:23 PM »
As much as Eric Holder's free pass to the New Black Panthers' voter intimidation and general Chicago corruption disgusts me, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy for what can be seen or heard from a public place.

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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues
« on: August 21, 2009, 02:49:21 PM »
And what would those "civil liberties" ramifications be?

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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Self-Defense Law
« on: August 08, 2009, 11:46:40 AM »
The above is bad advice, unless you have committed a crime. If you lawfully used force to defend youself/another, a brief statement needs to be given.

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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Knife for Self Defense
« on: July 30, 2009, 07:14:59 PM »
Maybe it wasn't possible to bail. Fine. I'm glad he didn't sever your femoral or a friend of his didn't put a cap in your dome.

The world we live in today, you can never count on a "man to man" fight.

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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Knife for Self Defense
« on: July 30, 2009, 05:21:02 PM »
Maxx,

You should have called the police to deal with the "Dick". Lucky you are still alive, and recovering.

This is why my advise is: Your first option is to avoid trouble. If that fails, break contact and evade/un-ass the area in a flash of bright light and/or cloud of O.C

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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Knife for Self Defense
« on: July 26, 2009, 04:38:03 PM »
Depending on where you live, knives may be your only option, but from the criminal/civil perspective they are far from optimal.

The typical prosecutor and likely juror pool tend to have a bias against knives. Look at tv/movies, unless it's a medival/fantasy movie, the bad guys are the ones that use blades. John Wayne and Dirty Harry shoot and punch the bad guys, not much use of blades.

Ideally, cutting down a bad guy/s is the same as shooting them in legitimate self defense, but in reality, appearances can make all the difference.

Just like in some jurisdictions, a scary looking "assault rifle"may be legal, but will get you indicted while the identical shooting with a blued gun with engraving and polished wood stocks would pass without indictment.

Do I carry knives? Yes. Might I use them for defensive purposes? Yes. Do I use them to open boxes, or potentially cut seatbelts to free an accident victim or other uses? Yes.

Do NOT have any artwork or engraving, clothing or tats that suggests you are looking forward to using the knife as a weapon.

Have other items for lesser levels of force. I'm a big fan of O.C. spray. High intensity "tactical" flashlights are very useful. Putting 150+ lumens into the eyes of potential assailants can end the problem before it even starts.

Your first option is to avoid trouble. If that fails, break contact and evade/un-ass the area in a flash of bright light and/or cloud of O.C.

Only in the same circumstances that you'd shoot someone should you use other items/techniques that have a high degree of causing serious bodily injury and/or death.

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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Security issues
« on: July 01, 2009, 06:55:16 AM »
 I suggest everyone "red team" their home/business/lifestyle. Take a walk around your residence after dark and look for vulnerabilities. How constant are your patterns. How predictable are you?

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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Security issues
« on: June 30, 2009, 09:03:47 PM »
Cultivating awareness of one's surroundings. Noting patterns and any deviations from the standard patterns around your home/work.

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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Security issues
« on: June 19, 2009, 08:20:36 PM »
The LDS have a large cadre of former/current  federal law enforcement/intel officers to draw from to protect church interests.

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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Knife Law
« on: June 06, 2009, 07:02:25 AM »
This is sooooooo stupid. Know what edged weapons the average street scrote carries? A box cutter or tile knife bought at the dollar store. Cheap, plausibly deniable and readily disposable after they commit a crime with it.

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Martial Arts Topics / Re: After the fight
« on: June 01, 2009, 08:20:49 PM »
http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=864.100

Funny, reminds me of advice I saw on the above thread.

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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Reality Toys
« on: May 23, 2009, 03:16:23 PM »
SG,

Take a look at this:

http://www.survivalistsoutfitter.com/shop/itemdetail/catalogID/24694/Cold-Steel-Cutlery---Accessories/

I like them myself. It is a functional sharpie type pen that could be used for additional purposes.

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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Knife Law
« on: May 03, 2009, 06:29:07 AM »
I'm so glad I live in a free state.

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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues
« on: April 08, 2009, 12:28:53 PM »
Hero Pittsburgh Police Officer Speaks
Posted: April 8th, 2009 12:45 PM GMT-05:00
Story by thepittsburghchannel.com
PITTSBURGH --
The city of Pittsburgh is mourning for three police officers, killed by a gunman in Stanton Heights.
On Wednesday, one of the police officers who tried to save one of the fallen spoke for the first time.
"He started firing again with much more firepower than I even could begin to put out," said Officer Timothy McManaway, who spoke on "Good Morning America" on Wednesday morning.
Officers Paul Sciullo II and Stephen Mayhle were shot responding to a domestic call on Fairfield Street. The officers were responding to a call about a domestic dispute on Saturday. When they entered the home of Richard Poplawski, Poplawski opened fire, police said, killing both men.
Officer Eric Kelly was on his way home when he stopped to help. He too was shot. McManaway said he saw the shooting and tried to help.
"He just raised his arm when I was up there. I noticed he was alive, so I figured there was a chance," McManaway said.
Timeline according to police statements: Shortly after 7 a.m. - Two officers respond to Stanton Heights domestic call. Sciullo enters house; is shot and killed. Mayhle backs him up; is shot and killed. On way home, Kelly decides to help; is shot and killed. McManaway shot in hand trying to help Kelly. Jones tries to secure back of house, jumps fence, breaks leg. SWAT arrives, comes under fire. Poplawski continues firing out of bedroom window. Negotiators convince Poplawski to surrender. Poplawski taken into custody; charged with criminal homicide, aggravated assault.
Running into the line of fire, McManaway was shot in the hand. But he pulled his fellow officer behind a car to try to save his life. McManaway said Kelly asked him to deliver a message to his family.
"He wanted me to give a message to his wife and kids. I told him I wasn't going to deliver the message, he has to do it himself," McManaway said. But Kelly was too badly wounded.
"The injuries went way beyond anything I could have done to get him to stick around," McManaway said.
Another officer, Brian Jones, was also injured while trying to secure the scene.
The memorials for the fallen officers continue in Pittsburgh.
A viewing at the City-County Building will be held for law enforcement only from 3 p.m. to 4 p.m. Wednesday. Starting at 4 p.m. Wednesday, continuously until 10 a.m. Thursday, the public is welcome to pay their respects at the City-County Building.
Poplawski, 22, is charged with three counts of criminal homicide.

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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues
« on: March 28, 2009, 07:47:52 AM »
Thanks Rachel.

Funny enough, I narrowly avoided being seriously injured or killed yesterday trying to assist stranded motorists and direct traffic. The smallest of margins and it would have been my chief and a police chaplain at my door to awaken my wife instead of me.

The ritual of the police funeral has an importance that may not be understood by those outside the uniformed services world. Yes, we come together to grieve someone we may have never met, but in the grieving spouse, we see ours. But for the grace of god go we. A reminder that it could be us under the flag. We celebrate who they were and what they did. As it says on the nat'l law enforcement officer's memorial in DC, "It's not how that died that made them heroes, but how they lived".

The most important element to me, is seeing the public response to the fallen officers. The jobs burns you, and takes pieces of your soul. It's easy to become callous, cynical and jaded. To a degree, you have to just to survive in the job. It's easy to see the public you serve in the worst possible terms. No one calls the police when their life is good. Very few people bother to call to praise an officer, but those who wish to complain always seem to follow through.

When you see the vast numbers of the public that go out of their way to demonstrate their support, it recharges your soul.

A friend of a friend was murdered by a career felon several years ago. I attended the funeral in a large metropolitan area. The service was on one side of the metro area, the fallen detective was to be laid to rest in a cemetary on the other side of the city. I was dumbfounded to see citizens lining almost all of the route. Waving flags, holding signs of support, young and old.

They didn't have to be there. The escort to the burial started late and took a long time as the procession of police vehicles stretched for miles. And yet they stood there, saluted and waved for all of us.

A reminder there are a lot of good and decent people out there. So they can sleep peacefully, we gear up and go out into the darkness and they recognize and respect that. It gives us the strength to continue on.

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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues
« on: March 04, 2009, 04:01:19 PM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17790886/

Not as easy as you'd think.

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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Self Defense with Pistols
« on: February 18, 2009, 10:01:20 AM »
   Hi,

   I've been  reading the forum for a long time, but I believe this is the first time I've posted.  I'm a little surprised that the discussion has not mentioned wound ballistics.  From what I've learned, and I'm by no means an expert, the number one thing you are looking for is depth of penetration and number two is permanent cavity.  Ideally you should have 18 inches of penetration, but for a self defense round you require at least 12.  This is to ensure you hit vitals with your shot.

   I've also heard that only 60% to 70% of  hollow point bullets expand after impact because they strike bone or get shrouded in clothing.  So you want to look at the permanent cavity you attain with an unexpanded round.

**There are additional factors to consider. With the .45 ACP hollow point, out of less than a 5 inch bbl., it's much less likely to expand with the lesser velocity, but the HP then acts like a semi-wadcutter with a larger crush cavity even though it doesn't expand vs. a FMJ round.**

   What I've been able to see from looking at the available statistics is that there are a number of 9mm rounds that penetrate as well as the .45 but none expand as much, and the majority of the time the .45 slug penetrates further.  So wouldn't the logical conclusion be to use a double stack .45?

**This makes sense if the bad guys you are engaging were made of ballistic gellatin. Ballistic gel only provides a consistant medium for testing purposes. There are more than a few real world shooting where .45 rounds have failed to penetrate into the thorasic cavity, stopping in subcutanious fat and/or muscle. Plenty of real world shootings where handgun rounds failed to pentrate the human skull. If a double stack .45 works for you, fine. Many people can't conceal or run one well. If 2 millimeters makes you feel safer, cool. Just don't think that a slight difference in diameter or velocity makes a big difference. All handguns suck. Handguns make little, zit looking holes. Rifles and shotguns rip things apart. One need not be a forensic pathologist to tell the difference between a handgun, shotgun or rifle GSW. **

   My personal opinion is to find a gun that suits you and practice until it is an extension of yourself.  For example I use an M4 for home defense because I've had extensive training with it.  I prefer a 1911 because it's what I grew up shooting and I'm the most proficient with it.  When I fire a Glock or double stack 1911's I'm much less accurate due to the wider grip, I tend to pull left for some reason.  Anyways, the real key is shot placement and being comfortable with your weapon.

   “When a training gun stops firing (due to running out of pellets), the shooter is still in the fight and still trying to shoot his enemy as well as trying to not be hit by him.  We see them continue to try to work the trigger for one or two times before there is a realization that there has been a stoppage (malfunction or empty gun).”

   I thought that was an interesting comment as well.  I hadn't noticed the same thing in my training except at the beginner levels.  It may be due to different platforms as well.  The majority of the training I have participated in was using either blanks or simmunition and has generally been for m4/m16 series rifles and/or m9 pistols.  I'm guessing by “pellets” he's talking about airsoft guns, but I can't be sure and I don't want to pretend to know more than I do.

   Also I don't want to make it sound like I'm some high speed CAG operator or anything like that.  I've spent some time as an armed guard, and I'm currently in a Support Company for the U.S. Army Special Forces.  So I have some experience, but take it with a grain of salt.  :-)

P.S.  It's good to finally talk to you guys, I really have been just reading for years now.

http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/45acp.htm

http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/9mm.htm

http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf


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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Self Defense with Pistols
« on: February 17, 2009, 06:28:39 PM »
http://www.policeone.com/pc_print.asp?vid=1757987

11/19/2008
P1 Exclusive: The truth about handgun knockdown power

By Commander Jeffry L. Johnson
Long Beach Police Dept., Detective Division
Special contributor to PoliceOne

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There is undoubtedly no other myth more perpetuated and closely held (even now) by many law enforcement professionals than what I have previously referred to as the “Demonstrative Bullet Fallacy,” or in plainer terms, the idea that any handgun of any caliber has “knockdown power,” in that the sheer size and force of the bullet can knock a person down. Closely related is the myth that bullet size — rather than shot placement — can determine or ensure a “one shot stop.” Both are inaccurate, unscientific, and dangerous, and have no place in the training of law enforcement professionals.

Not that any of this is new information. This fact has been generally known for about six hundred years or so. Notable intellects such as DaVinci, Galileo, Newton, Francis Bacon, and Leonard Euler all studied physics and ballistics, as did many others. It was Newton’s research that led Benjamin Robbins to invent the ballistic pendulum in 1740 (the first device to measure bullet velocity).

There is no mystery here — the truth has been documented time and again. So how is it that we still don’t get it? One word: Hollywood.

Ever since Dirty Harry came along with his .44 Magnum hand-cannon, when someone gets shot in the movies or on TV (and don’t forget video games) two things happen: 1) the victim is thrown back convulsively, through windows, off balconies, etc. and 2) there will immediately emerge a geyser of blood spewing forth from the wound, leaving no doubt that this person has been shot, and pinpointing exactly where the bullet has struck.

Many firearm and shooting magazines picked up on the idea as well, discussing and propagating the pseudo-scientific idea of handgun “knockdown power” and “one shot stopping power.”

The Truth
The Federal Bureau of Investigation Firearms Training Unit published a concise yet insightful report that speaks directly to this issue of firearm wounding ballistics and the misconceptions that have surrounded this area.

These so called [knockdown power] studies are further promoted as being somehow better and more valid than the work being done by trained researchers, surgeons and forensic labs. They disparage laboratory stuff, claiming that the “street” is the real laboratory and their collection of results from the street is the real measure of caliber effectiveness, as interpreted by them, of course. Yet their data from the street is collected haphazardly, lacking scientific method and controls, with no noticeable attempt to verify the less than reliable accounts of the participants with actual investigative or forensic reports. Cases are subjectively selected (how many are not included because they do not fit the assumptions made?). The numbers of cases cited are statistically meaningless, and the underlying assumptions upon which the collection of information and its interpretation are based are themselves based on myths such as knockdown power, energy transfer, hydrostatic shock, or the temporary cavity methodology of flawed work such as RII. (1)

The truth is, the whole idea of handgun knockdown power is a myth. It simply doesn’t work that way. The FBI report further clarifies:

A bullet simply cannot knock a man down. If it had the energy to do so, then equal energy would be applied against the shooter and he too would be knocked down. This is simple physics, and has been known for hundreds of years. The amount of energy deposited in the body by a bullet is approximately equivalent to being hit with a baseball. Tissue damage is the only physical link to incapacitation within the desired time frame, i.e., instantaneously. (2)

The report cites previous studies that have calculated bullet velocities and impact power, concluding that the “stopping power” of a 9mm bullet at muzzle velocity is equal to a one-pound weight being dropped from the height of six feet. A .45 ACP (45 auto) bullet impact would equal that same object dropped from 11.4 feet. That is a far cry from what Hollywood would have us believe, and actually flies in the face of what even many in law enforcement have come to mistakenly believe.

The FBI report also emphasizes that unless the bullet destroys or damages the central nervous system (i.e., brain or upper spinal cord), incapacitation of the subject can take a long time, seemingly longer if one is engaged in a firefight.

Failing a hit to the central nervous system, massive bleeding from holes in the heart or major blood vessels of the torso, causing circulatory collapse is the only other way to force incapacitation upon an adversary, and this takes time. For example, there is sufficient oxygen within the brain to support full, voluntary action for 10-15 seconds after the heart has been destroyed. (3)

More often than not, an officer firing at a suspect will not immediately know if he or she has even struck the target. The physics are such that the body will rarely involuntarily move or jerk, and usually there is no noticeable spewing of blood or surface tearing of tissue. Often there is no blood whatsoever. (4) That is why military surgeons and emergency room physicians take great time and pains to carefully examine gunshot victims for any additional small holes. Often that is the only indication the person has been shot.

Personal Experience
But let’s be real here. I can cite numerous additional academic and scientific sources that support this article, but I know how cops think. We’re not always the most trustful of academics, especially when it comes to our street survival. So let me add my own personal experience to the data. Please allow me to go beyond the cold facts and share with you why I know what I’m telling you is the truth.

In the mid-1980s I was involved in my first shooting as a police officer. But to give the story context, I must go back to 1982 when I graduated from the Long Beach Police Academy. The first thing I was told by experienced training officers I trusted and looked up to, was to “get rid of that pea-shooter 38 they issued you and buy a real gun with some knockdown power!” Although we were issued .38 caliber revolvers, we were authorized to carry a number of different caliber weapons on duty, the largest of which was the 45 Long Colt.

 
The .45 Long Colt round next to the diminutive 9 millimeter.

Imagine my surprise when I was confronted by a suspect armed with a shotgun in a dark alley and my Long Colt didn’t live up to its billing. I fired five rounds at the suspect. It wasn’t until I fired my last shot — intentionally aimed at his head — that he went down. I can’t begin to relate to you the surprise and horror I felt when there was absolutely no outward indication I was hitting my target. It was the kind of situation cops have nightmares about.

What actually happened? I fired five rounds at a distance of about twelve feet. The first one missed completely. The second struck his upper leg and broke his femur. The third struck him in the shoulder/chest. The fourth round hit him dead center—in the heart. And of course, the fifth was a headshot. Three of the five rounds created fatal wounds, though only one had immediate results.

Needless to say, I was pretty shaken by the whole thing. Not by the morality of what I’d done; the suspect had already fired at a bystander and taken a hostage earlier. He was also high on PCP. That wasn’t my inner struggle. What shook me was how unprepared I felt; how totally off guard I was taken by what occurred. No one ever told me it would be like that. The reality was contrary to everything I thought I knew about deadly force.

That experience more than any research or study is the reason is why I am writing this article. Police officers risk getting into shootings every day; we need to know the dynamics of how a shooting incident may unfold. It will affect our equipment, tactics, and most important, our mindset. We need to know that rarely will one shot incapacitate an assailant. We further need to be able to explain this when our fellow officers are involved in shootings where multiple shots are fired. The public honestly believes it’s like the movies. Why would we ever need to fire twenty or thirty rounds to subdue an armed suspect? Problem is we can’t teach it or explain it until we understand it ourselves. (5)

 

Footnotes:
1. Patrick, Urey W., Federal Bureau of Investigation, Firearms Training Unit, “Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness,” p.13. (1989).
2. Ibid., p.9.
3. Ibid., p. 8.
4. Newgard, Ken, MD, “The Physiological Effects of Handgun Bullets: The Mechanisms of Wounding and Incapacitation” (1992).
5. For you visual learners still unconvinced, I highly recommend viewing the Discovery Channel MythBusters segment, “Blown Away,” (Brown Note Episode, Second Season), where the knockdown power myth is visually and scientifically debunked once and for all.

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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Self Defense with Pistols
« on: February 17, 2009, 05:29:25 PM »
If I fill a bag with 100 lbs of sand, can I knock it down with a handgun?

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**Keep in mind that to the jihadist, "oppression" means to live where sharia law isn't the law of the land.**

How do I train myself for Jihaad?
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How do I train myself for Jihaad?
(Fra debatten fra OPSAs hjemmeside:Organisationen for pakistanske studerende og akademikere i Danmark)
Indføring i hvordan man forbereder sig på hellig krig i Danmark og Europa herunder åndeligt og fysisk såsom våbenbrug, martial arts, sprængstoffer, kurser, etc.
Posted - 26/02/2002 : 14:28:05
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{And prepare against them all you can of power, including steeds
of war to terrorise the enemies of Allaah and others besides whom you may not know, but Allaah does Know. And whatever you shall
spend in the Cause of Allaah shall be repaid unto you, and you shall not be treated unjustly.}
[Qur'aan 8:60]

In commenting on this Verse, the Messenger (sall-Allaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said:
"Indeed, power is shooting, power is shooting, power is shooting."
[Saheeh Muslim]

Narrated Abu Hurayrah (radhi-Allaahu 'anhu) that the Messenger (sall-Allaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said:
"If anyone keeps a horse for Jihaad in the Way of Allaah, motivated by his Faith in Allaah and his Belief in His Promise, then he will be rewarded on the Day of Resurrection for what the horse has eaten,
or drunk, and for its dung and urine."
[Saheeh Al-Bukhari]

After receiving a number of e-mails asking about this topic, we [at Azzam Publications] decided to include a small article about this subject. It is broken down into sections, but should be read from beginning to end for maximum benefit.

The information contained in this document is for background information purposes only. Azzam Publications and the maintainers of the qoqaz web-sites do not encourage you to commit any illegal acts, and disclaim liability for the same. We cannot answer specific questions about information contained in this document. We do not 'sponsor', 'organise' or provide 'contacts' for people to go for Jihaad, or Jihaad training.

There are no exceptions to this:
We are only a news and information outlet, so please do not contact us asking for contact details and the likes.

~ What is Jihaad? ~

Jihaad literally means ‘to struggle’. In the military sense it is meant in the context, ‘to struggle against oppression’. Jihaad is therefore an act to liberate people from the oppression of tyrants. Jihaad is not illegal acts of terror against innocent people. When tabloid journalism mistakenly informs the masses that Jihaad is ‘to commit illegal acts of terror’, they are revealing the lack of their research and the extent of their unprofessional approach to the subject.

~ Military Training is an Islaamic Obligation, not an Option ~

According to the Verse above ("And prepare against them all you can of power..."), military training is an obligation in Islaam upon every sane, male, mature Muslim, whether rich or poor, whether studying or working and whether living in a Muslim or non-Muslim country. The Prophet (sall-Allaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) explained the meaning of the term 'power' in the above Verse during a Friday Sermon by mentioning that power was specifically shooting. The Verse mentions 'what you can...', meaning that the Muslims must prepare to the utmost of their ability and circumstances. 'Steeds of war' refer to the horses that were prepared for battle.

In this day and age, the Scholars of Islaam have explained this term to mean all forms of modern weaponry such as infantry weapons, tanks, artillery, aircraft, etc.

The above Verse is a clear evidence that military training of all sorts is an Islaamic obligation, not something optional. Furthermore, the obligation is according to one's ability, in that the Muslims must use every means at their disposal to undertake military and physical training for Jihaad. In Surah Taubah of the Qur'aan, Allaah answers those hypocrites (Munaafiqeen) who made feeble excuses to the Messenger of Allaah (sall-Allaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) so that they would not have to participate in the Battle of Tabuk. The Munaafiqeen came to the Prophet (sall-Allaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) and gave their excuses with the impression that they really wanted to take part in the battle, but difficult circumstances outside their control were preventing them from doing so.

Allaah's response was:

{And if they had really intended to march forth, certainly they would
have made some preparation for it; but Allaah hated them being sent
forth, so He made them lag behind, and it was said to them, 'Sit you
among those who sit at home (women, children, elderly, etc.)'}
[Qur'aan 9:46]

These Munaafiqeen had not intended to participate in Jihaad from the outset and their lack of preparations was the evidence for this. Had they really wanted to take part in the Jihaad, they would have prepared themselves and tried their utmost to join the battle, like the three companions who approached the Messenger (sall-Allaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) before the Battle of Tabuk, requesting horses or mules so they could join the Battle. When the Prophet (sall-Allaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) informed them that he could not provide them with mounts, they turned back with their eyes full of tears that they could not join the battle:
{Nor is there blame on those who came to you to be provided
with mounts, when you said, 'I can find no mounts for you,' they turned back, while their eyes were overflowing with tears of grief that they could not find anything to spend for Jihaad.}
[Qur'aan 9:92]

Therefore, those Muslims unable to participate in Jihaad at this present time whatever the reason have no excuse before Allaah for (at least) not training for Jihaad. The Messenger of Allaah (sall-Allaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said:
"Whoever dies without having fought in battle, nor having the sincere
wish in his heart to fight in battle, dies on a branch of hypocrisy."
[Saheeh Al-Bukhari]

The one sincere to fight in battle is the one who makes suitable preparations for battle.

A Muslim that spends a life empty of any physical or military training for Jihaad, let alone Jihaad itself, should fear dying on a branch of hypocrisy according to the above hadeeth. True Imaan (Faith) is manifested in actions, and if someone truly wishes to fight Jihaad, he will prepare himself in all possible ways.

~ Sincerity of Intention ~

Training is an Islaamic obligation so a Muslim must undertake it for the correct reason otherwise he will neither be Blessed nor rewarded by Allaah for all his efforts. The correct reason to train, is to train for Jihaad which is undertaken to please Allaah alone. Therefore the Muslim must not publicly display to the people what he is doing, nor must he show off during his training, nor seek fame or reputation in the eyes of human beings during his training. If he wishes to be rewarded by Allaah and Blessed and helped in his training, all his training must be done to obtain the Pleasure of Allaah alone.

In practical terms, this would mean avoiding training in the company of people (e.g. women) who might be impressed by the one training, flouting muscles etc. This also means to avoid publicly announcing to everyone that one is going for training, or dropping subtle hints such as leaving clothes and equipment in view of the people. The beloved Companions of the Prophet (sall-Allaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) used to hide their good deeds more than they used to hide their sins, for fear of their intention being corrupted.

Train only to please Allaah and He will help you, reward you and Bless you; for there is no benefit in gaining the pleasure of human beings.

~ Training in your Country of Residence ~

- Physical Training
The basis of all Jihaad training is something that can be done in every country of the World: physical training. This requires little or no equipment and is something that one can fit round one's daily routine. This comprises four main areas: stamina, strength, speed and agility. In order to benefit from your physical training, it is important that it is done regularly, ideally at the same time of the day if possible, three times a week, which leaves a rest day between exercise sessions to allow the body to recuperate. Some general suggestions are given below though there are many variations to this type of training. Consult an expert, or read books or Internet articles on the topic. There are books available to the general public of physical training within the Army (US Army Field Manuals and books written by ex-British soldiers).

Stamina involves being able to sustain the body at a high rate of activity for prolonged periods of time. Stamina is built up by aerobic exercise in sessions of at least 20 minutes duration. Aerobic exercise is any activity that keeps the heart rate at a level higher than normal for a sustained amount of time. It differs from anaerobic exercise in which the heart rate increases to a very high level, but only for short bursts of time. Running, swimming, rowing are some exercises which build up stamina. For the exercise to be of benefit, it must be sustained for at least 20 minutes.

Running by far is the best and most practical form of stamina training for Jihaad. Start your session by running for about five minutes in order to warm up. Then proceed to stretch the major muscles in your body by holding them in a stretched position for at least 30 seconds. Avoid 'bouncing' stretching as this can lead to serious injury. After this, run at a steady pace for a fixed period of time. Start easy, e.g. 10 minutes, then gradually build up every session until you can continue running at that pace for 20 minutes, 30 minutes or more. Inhale deep breaths through your nose and exhale through your mouth whilst running.

It is better to run in boots, as running in boots reflects the reality of running in Jihaad. It is also advisable to add shock absorbing insoles into your boots before running, as these cushion the stress on the leg bones and joints. These insoles, e.g. Sorbothane, are available in camping and sports stores. Once you can sustain running at a constant pace for 30 minutes or more, you can add variety into the sessions by running up and down hills, running with ankle weights or running carrying loads, e.g. a bag full of books.

Strength training can be undertaken in the form of press-ups, squats, abdominal crunches, etc. or by following a regular routing in weight training at a gymnasium. It is better to go to the gym with another brother if possible, or go at a time when there are as few women as possible. Public gymnasiums are generally un-Islaamic places with loud music and improperly dressed men and women. Such an atmosphere is not befitting for the training of a Mujaahid. In all cases, learn how to use the equipment properly, start easy and build up gradually and make sure you stretch and warm up enough before each session.

Speed and agility can be built up by sprinting, running around obstacles, climbing over walls and similar activities. Practising martial arts is the best way to develop speed and agility.

- Martial Arts

It is vital to join a martial arts club as part of the training for Jihaad. In addition to teaching you how to defend yourself and strengthen your body, martial arts develop self-discipline and controlled aggression. In some countries, there are martial arts run by Muslim instructors, but one can join other clubs if there are no Muslim clubs in his area. It is preferable to join clubs that emphasise on street-fighting and self-defence such as kung-fu styles rather than tournament fighting. You would never use high or flying kicks in a real fight but you may in tournaments. As with any activity, regular attendance for a number of months is necessary in order to benefit from martial arts. Many people join martial arts clubs but are unable to stick with them. Joining clubs that teach weapons such as sword or knife-fighting are also good at advanced stages.

- Survival and Outdoors Training

The majority of the time spent in Jihaad is learning to cope with harsh, physically and mentally demanding living conditions. It is not about fighting glamourous battles for your pictures to appear on the Internet. Jihaad is tough and difficult, which is why the rewards for it are so great. Although survival training is taught at centres in some countries, it is expensive and, in many cases, nothing special that you cannot learn and practise yourself by reading books on the subject. The best way to learn these skills is to go camping into the outdoors with a small group of brothers. Avoid going to a camping site, since these are holiday areas where many facilities are available such as hot showers, gas, etc. The best training is to take some tents, food and water and warm clothes in a rucksack and go on treks lasting 2-3 days at a time. If you do not have an experienced person with you, then start easy and build up gradually. Learn how to purify water, make wudhu and istinja in cold water, attend to the call of nature in the outdoors, cook or heat food out in the open, making different types of knots with ropes, setting up tents and other similar activities.

Learning how to start and maintain a fire in all conditions, wet or dry, with and without lighting instruments is one of the most important survival skills. Learning how to walk long distances carrying loads up to one-third of your bodyweight, walking over difficult terrain at night without the use of torches and navigational skills using a compass/ map or the stars are also useful skills. Many of these skills can be learnt from books and then practised out in the outdoors.

- Firearms Training

Firearms training differs from country to country. In some countries, possession of firearms by the public is illegal, in other countries it is legal. In some countries of the World, especially the USA, firearms training is available to the general public. One should try to join a shooting club if possible and make regular visits to the firing range. There are many firearms courses available to the public in [the] USA, ranging from one day, to two weeks or more. These courses are good but expensive. Some of them are only meant for security personnel but generally they will teach anyone. It is also better to attend these courses in pairs or by yourself, no more. Do not make public announcements when going on such a course. Find one, book your place, go there, learn, come back home and keep it yourself.

Whilst on the course, keep your opinions to yourself, do not argue or debate with anyone, do not "preach" about Islaam, and [it is recommended that one] make Salaah in secret. You are going there to train for Jihaad, not call people to Islaam.

Useful courses to learn are sniping, general shooting and other rifle courses. Handgun courses are useful but only after you have mastered rifles. In other countries, e.g. some states of [the] USA, South Africa, it is perfectly legal for members of the public to own certain types of firearms. If you live in such a country, obtain an assault rifle legally, preferably AK-47 or variations, learn how to use it properly and go and practice in the areas allowed for such training. If you cannot get someone to teach you, you can purchase books about shooting technique and practise shooting stationary targets at different distances, with a partner. You can also practise running a distance, e.g. 1km, then shooting targets from a distance. Again, there are many variations and unless you have an experienced, trained person to learn from, you will be able to do little more than perfect your shooting technique at different ranges.

Under NO circumstances should you play, or experiment with firearms. NEVER EVER point a firearm at anyone for a joke, whether loaded or unloaded. Keep firearms unloaded and out of reach of children. If you feel that you will be unable to control a firearm, or your temper, do not purchase one. Respect the laws of the country you are in and avoid dealing in illegal firearms. One can learn to operate many arms legally, so there is no need to spend years in prison for dealing in small, illegal fireams. Learn the most you can according to your circumstances, and leave the rest to when you actually go for Jihaad.

IMPORTANT NOTE ON 'LIVE-AMMUNITION JIHAAD
FIREARMS TRAINING' WITHIN THE UK...

Recently we heard many reports circulating in the British media about certain Muslim personalities claiming the presence of Jihaad training camps in the UK in which firearms training is given with live ammunition before sending the trainees for Jihaad... We would like to inform both Muslim and non-Muslim readers of this article that there are NO such training camps within the UK.

Rather, statements such as these are made by Muslim personalities and individuals propped up by Western Intelligence agencies in order to frighten the local population from Muslims. We would also like to inform Muslims in the UK that if anyone, Muslim or non-Muslim, approaches you offering training of this type in the UK, it is a trap, you should stay away from that person and warn other people against that person because he might be an undercover agent. British National Intelligence, MI5, does employ 'practising' Muslims to live amongst Muslims as agent provocateurs and entice them into traps such as these. Generally, these agents are amongst the most popular and influential members of the community. The Muslims are fooled by them because they fail to check up their background (i.e. where they came from, their history etc.)

One can obtain almost any type of military training in some countries of the World, legally, so there is no need to risk going to prison for years just for learning how to use a single firearm illegally.

- Military Training

Although sometimes it is difficult to obtain comprehensive military training in one's home country, it is very easy to do plenty of background reading using freely-available books and CDs, before one actually goes abroad. The US Army has produced a number of military field manuals on CD on all topics from light weapons, tanks and artillery to mines, military fieldcraft and combat medicine. The full set is available on CD for less than US$100 and many field manuals are also available on the Internet. One source of availability is:

http://www.sgtquartermaster.net/CDROM.html

...or by searching for the term 'US Military Field Manuals CD' or just, 'US Military Field Manuals Online'. Even though the US Army Field Manuals contain information specific to US Weapons, they still contain a large amount of useful information applicable in all circumstances. It is useful to get a full set of CDs for your mosque or Islaamic society that everyone can use.

Some topics to read up about include:

- Physical fitness training
- Ammunition
- Sniper training
- Mine/ Counter-Mine Operations and Recognition of Different Mines
- Mortar
- AK-47 and other Soviet weapon Operating Manuals
- Terrain Analysis
- Map Reading and Land Navigation
- Camouflage and concealment
- Survival
- Combat skills of the soldier
- First Aid for Soldiers
- Cold Weather Training
~ Jihaad Training Abroad ~

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http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011028flt93mainstoryp7.asp

Bert Rodriguez thinks it was the flier that drew in Ziad Jarrah. He turned up at US-1 Fitness in Dania Beach, just north of Miami, in May after Rodriguez put out a handbill saying, "Assert yourself." It explained that Rodriguez had trained police and federal agents in close-quarters hand-fighting.

Most martial arts students don't train directly with Rodriguez, who has a staff of instructors. But Jarrah, Rodriguez said, "specifically came to train with me."

He paid $500 cash for a series of 10 lessons. Then, when those were done, he returned and peeled off $500 in cash for another 10.

At 5 feet, 11 inches and about 180 pounds, Jarrah surprised Rodriguez with his stamina. The training included flat-out fighting. At one point, the trainer went at the student with a baseball bat to teach him disarming techniques.

The young man, who told Rodriguez he was training to become a pilot, could go 10, 15 or 20 minutes in unrelenting combat. The battle techniques Jarrah came to learn involved thinking -- figuring out ways to make an opponent's moves work against him; throwing attackers off-balance; keeping composure under stress.

Jarrah, Rodriguez said, was very calm and a quick learner.

"He was in very, very good shape. He was a great person to work with," Rodriguez said. "I told him, 'If you have someone to practice with, practice these techniques.' He told me, 'Oh, yeah, I have some roommates I can train with.' "

975
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Self Defense with Pistols
« on: February 16, 2009, 01:25:37 PM »
Yes, but a bullet doesn't push you, it pushes through you.

976
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Self Defense with Pistols
« on: February 15, 2009, 06:49:44 PM »
"Every action having an opposite and equal reaction" Would this not mean that a firearm capable of knocking down the shootee would also knockdown the shooter?

977
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Secrecy vs. Knowledge wants to be free
« on: February 07, 2009, 06:43:26 AM »
To quote Phil Messina "A warrior must hear the assassin's call, but never answer it".

978
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Secrecy vs. Knowledge wants to be free
« on: February 06, 2009, 08:52:19 AM »
Does this mean DBMA videos want to be uploaded to Limewire?  :evil:

"With great power, comes great responsibility". Cheesy comic book sentiment? I say no. You may not be able to prevent bad guys from learning dangerous knowledge, but you can make damn sure they don't learn it from you.

979
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Self Defense with Pistols
« on: February 05, 2009, 06:49:04 AM »
Does a 5 inch knife have more "stopping power" than a 4.5 inch knife?

980
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Long Gun for self-protection
« on: February 04, 2009, 02:00:17 PM »
I like ghost rings too. I like side saddles and don't find them to make the shotgun more difficult to use. I think lights are a must have. Yes, using a shotgun for hostage rescue scenarios is....far from optimal, but the training exercise is useful.

Understanding the patterning of your shotgun/ammo is something every defensive shotgunner should know.


981
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
« on: February 02, 2009, 09:22:40 PM »
This is why you've got to be sure of what is going on before you jump into it.

982
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
« on: February 01, 2009, 02:52:03 PM »
Under extreme stress, you default to your level of training. If your training is good, you'll do fine.

983
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Movie Fights
« on: February 01, 2009, 02:49:32 PM »
Anyone seen "Taken" yet? I just saw it. Worth seeing. My wife said it was good, as it gave her a better insight into me.

984
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Self Defense with Pistols
« on: January 30, 2009, 07:54:34 PM »
Hi GM,

Mostly based on police reporting, video footage, and personal accounts of people in the field. 

**What would that be?**

Like I said "people have strong opinions ...and most of them are valid."  I've carried many different pistols and feel confident with using any of them (thought I love my 1911).  Magazine capacity vs stopping power ...solid arguments can be made for either one.

Train well...

**Please define "stopping power"**

985
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Self Defense with Pistols
« on: January 28, 2009, 06:54:03 PM »
  I don't subscribe to the one shot school of thought, but you're more LIKELY to STOP an attacker with a 45 vs a 9mm. 



You base this on what?

986
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues
« on: January 27, 2009, 09:58:38 AM »
Wow....   :-o

987
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
« on: January 26, 2009, 05:20:43 PM »
Thank god for citizens like that.

988
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Self Defense with Pistols
« on: January 26, 2009, 05:18:36 PM »
When it comes to guns, I pay close attention to what Gabe Suarez says.

989
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Study: Gun and grenade fight
« on: January 18, 2009, 07:22:54 PM »

990
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
« on: January 11, 2009, 08:03:48 AM »
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jMvjaSVrpk4FwqVzz1qByd_Txs2QD95KIKNO3

'Man shot my mommy': Ohio woman slain, son taken
By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS – 16 hours ago

DAYTON, Ohio (AP) — The 4-year-old boy's explanation was even more startling than the sight of him, barefoot and clad in pajamas, standing alone in the lobby of a highway rest stop.
Judith McConnell and her husband, Michael, had pulled into the rest stop on Interstate 70 about 50 miles outside of Dayton just after 9 p.m. on Jan. 2.
The boy was by himself, staring out a window. Judith McConnell waved at him as they walked in. What he said next was chilling: "A man came into my house without knocking and shot my mommy."
The man then left him alone at the rest stop, the boy said.
The couple, driving home to Maryland after Christmas in Colorado, took the boy into their car to warm up and called police.
"He's been abandoned here by a man with a gun," Michael McConnell told police. "He's quite disturbed."
As they waited for deputies to arrive, the boy recited the information his mother had drilled into him — his address, his parents' names, two phone numbers.
When Montgomery County sheriff's deputies arrived at his family's small white bungalow in Dayton later that night, they found the body of his 29-year-old mother, shot to death.
The woman died after struggling with her attacker, said Sheriff Phil Plummer. The killer also sexually assaulted the boy before taking him to the rest stop and abandoning him, police said.
The Associated Press is not naming the family so as not to identify the victim of an alleged sexual offense.
Police say a man under arrest has confessed to the crimes. Montgomery County Prosecutor Mathias Heck is considering whether to seek the death penalty.
The chilling story began about a week before Christmas, when the 4-year-old's parents' car was stolen while they celebrated their fourth wedding anniversary at a rock concert in Columbus.
Police say the car, and the information inside it, led the killer directly to the family's home, about 75 miles away.
The young couple were struggling to make ends meet in a working-class Dayton neighborhood. She had left her job at a grocery store to stay home with her son. Her husband held down assorted jobs to support the family, working as an exterminator, a grocery store manager and a trainee at a bar-restaurant.
Neighbor Steve Hopkins, 41, described the boy as a precocious kid quick to make friends, even with adults.
"When he met you, he knew you," Hopkins said, saying the boy greeted him on the street with "How you doing, Steve?"
On Dec. 16, 10 days after their fourth anniversary, the couple drove to Columbus to see the band Duran Duran, Hopkins said.
Their Honda was reported stolen from an Ohio State parking garage on Dec. 17. The husband told police the car was unlocked and the keys had been left inside along with his wallet, which contained three credit cards and his Social Security card, according to a police report.
On the night of Jan. 2, he was working at a bar near their home. Police say his wife was home with their son, running a bath before bed.
The McConnells said the boy told them he was playing with his Ninja Turtle toys when a man carrying a shotgun walked up the sidewalk and broke into the house — "without knocking."
The Dayton Daily News, citing investigators, reported that the woman broke free, grabbed a knife, stabbed the intruder in the back and was shot twice in the abdomen during a struggle. She was found lying on a hallway floor.
Two days later, police arrested Charlie Myers, 22, of Columbus, who investigators say confessed to the crime.
FBI agents found that the woman's cell phone was used twice in Columbus after her death, including a call made to Myers' phone, according to a search warrant affidavit filed in Franklin County Municipal Court.
Investigators also found written directions to the woman's home in Myers' apartment, along with a computer, a Playstation 2 video game console and a cell phone, all consistent with items taken from the couple's house.
Police say Myers used information found in the unlocked vehicle to track down the couple.
Myers is charged with aggravated murder, kidnapping and gross sexual imposition involving a child under 13. He is being held in Montgomery County Jail in lieu of $5 million bail. No plea was entered, and Myers said he had no attorney.
Myers made an impromptu statement to reporters as he was being led into jail Wednesday, offering an apology and saying he had made a mistake and only wanted the family's "stuff."
He also gave an odd explanation for why the boy was taken: "I want to make sure the child could stay away from their parent because the parent had passed away."
___
Myers had it rough from an early age, when his mother died of a drug-related heart attack when he was just 4. He lived in homeless shelters with his father, who beat him with a belt, and struggled with a hearing impairment that wasn't addressed until he was 6 years old. He spent most of his childhood being shuttled between more than 20 foster homes in the Columbus area, according to court documents filed in Union and Franklin counties.
Myers started smoking marijuana at age 7, drank alcohol at age 8, and when he turned 11 he attempted suicide while living in a home for troubled boys, court documents show.
At age 17, living with an aunt in Marysville, Ohio, he broke into the empty house of elderly neighbors, stole valuables and set the house on fire. A juvenile court judge declined to transfer Myers' case to adult court, saying he was emotionally and psychologically damaged because treatment for his disability had been so delayed.
"I don't want you to hurt anyone else and I don't want you to hurt yourself," said Judge Charlotte Coleman Eufinger of Union County Juvenile Court. "I believe you can be a productive citizen."
Myers served three years in a juvenile detention center and was released on July 4, 2007, his 21st birthday.
Later that year, he stole a woman's car in Columbus, then showed up at her door a day or so later.
Sky Cunningham, 25, said Myers came to her apartment in December 2007 saying he had information about the missing vehicle. She was gone at the time and a roommate told Myers she wasn't home.
Myers later pleaded guilty to stealing the car, along with another belonging to Cunningham's roommate. She said the memory of the hassle had faded until she heard of the young mother's slaying.
"That could have been me," Cunningham told The Associated Press Thursday. "I got lucky. The timing was good that I was at my other job."
The little boy found in the highway waiting area turned 5 on Saturday and is staying with relatives.
His father returned to the house once last week to put the garbage on the curb, and says he won't ever allow his son back inside.
He told NBC's "Today" that he's grateful that his wife insisted they teach the boy his address and phone numbers. He admires his son for the bravery he showed through the ordeal.
"My focus is on him," he said. "I'm doing everything I can to bring a little bit of home to him."
Associated Press Writer James Hannah contributed to this report.

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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Movie Fights
« on: January 09, 2009, 07:23:53 AM »

@peregrine

firearms are illegal in HK... so in theory, there are no guns in their society... i dont know how much of the movies is reality where all the bg's go around with automatics.... but revolvers are standard issue

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The Triads do get ahold of many things that are illegal in HK, firearms included. More and more guns are making their way into the PRC proper. I recall reading about a big gunfight between several gangs in Shenzen.

992
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Movie Fights
« on: January 09, 2009, 07:13:08 AM »
It always amazes me in these hong kong action flicks the cops always are using REVOLVERS.
I love my revolvers...but 5-6shots in a .38spl doesn't compare to a glock or whatever with an extra magazine. I'm not sure if this is just for theatrics or that is their carry piece...a lot of movies the guns cyclinder opens and the rounds fall out adding to the suspense. If anyone knows i'd be curious on the Hong kong police carry? i haven't been to hong kong since 94.

here's more from Sha Po Lang(killzone) someone burned the entirety to youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMBliuL1Z9w

Note the point in which he inserts the blade through the bicep then uses it as a control point and a trap/armdrag. This is an excellent technique in reverse grip...Southnarc uses it in his pikal work.

EDIT- in the movie the patrol officers had a full sized glock.

In 2004, the regular Hong Kong beat cop was still carrying k-frame Smith and Wesson 4 inch revolvers, at least the ones I saw were. I know the Hong Kong Police (formerly the Royal Hong Kong Police until 1997) version of SWAT had all the tools and toys you'd find with an American SWAT team, including semi-auto handguns. If I recall correctly, Glock had it's east asian branch based in HK, so it wouldn't be much of a leap to assume the HK cops were buying Glocks to replace the revolvers.

993
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Legal Issues in fighting crime
« on: January 07, 2009, 12:14:05 AM »
This is a nationwide trend, but you'll see that it is much more prevalent in places where citizens can't get CCW permits.

994
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Happy Holidays, whatever your version
« on: December 23, 2008, 03:17:50 PM »
What Miguel said....  :-D

995
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
« on: December 22, 2008, 01:14:19 AM »
On the point of values and California:

More than most, California faces serious threats from natural disasters, especially "the big one". In the case of "the big one" happening, it will be weeks before you see a in depth response from police/fire/ems/nat'l guard. So, do the survivors just ignore the screams from the trapped and injured?

996
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
« on: December 20, 2008, 06:45:35 AM »
As a side note, in the post "Knife Fight in my Apartment"" the guy put the individual in a crude choke hold"; it worked.
And he stopped the fight.

But what happened if he didn't do it right and the guy died?  Or was permanently injured.  The "good samaritan is liable
for all he's got... and then some.  And maybe should be...?  Choke holds are tricky.  LAPD stopped doing it
due to "problems"; and the City paid out millions.

**Someone using a knife on others is deadly force. I'd be justified in shooting someone to stop them from attacking others with a knife. Using a restraint hold would be lesser force than shooting the attacker, given that you don't crush the windpipe or induce brain damage. Even if you do, depending on state statute, it's probably quite justifiable, under most circumstances.**

997
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
« on: December 20, 2008, 06:40:53 AM »
I understand; back to your anyone can sue anyone comment.

But rarely is a peace officer personally liable except in truly extreme egregious circumstances.
Going back to the issue of liability, a peace officer could accidental kill an innocent
bystander in a shootout; of course sad, but still within the scope of his/her duties.
The city/governmental agency might end up paying, but not the police officer.
In contrast, at least under CA law, the non peace officer would not have the "protection" of acting within the scope
of their duties.  Therefore, personal liability...  house and savings gone...
Better to stay out of it...?

**As I've said before, this is an individual decision everyone must make. You face criminal and civil liability for stepping in to defend others. You might be injured or killed in the confrontation as well. I know what I'll do, you have to decide your own rules of engagement.**

998
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
« on: December 19, 2008, 08:41:25 PM »
People can still sue a peace officer as an individual. The peace offivcer then has to demonstrate the he/she should be covered by qualified immunity as he/she was acting within the scope of his/her duties.

999
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
« on: December 19, 2008, 08:02:26 PM »
Anyone can be sued anytime, for anything. As a peace officer or citizen, you face potential liability for anything and everything. Aside from not really having any assets, there isn't much you can do to avoid getting sued. Keeping that in mind, I do what I think is right and let the chips fall where they may.

1000
Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
« on: December 19, 2008, 05:42:56 PM »
http://www.kfsm.com/global/story.asp?s=9541680&ClientType=Printable

Reported by Jared Broyles
Concealed carry permit comes in handy for woman in Fort Smith
Posted: Dec 17, 2008 05:45 PM
Updated: Dec 17, 2008 10:36 PM

FORT SMITH - She's a woman who knows how to protect herself as two men who tried to rob her found out. What they didn't know was the woman is licensed to carry a concealed weapon...and yes, she was packing heat.

"A lady was flagged over Sunday evening about 6 p.m. on the interstate between Kelley Highway and the Arkansas river bridge." Lt. Steve Coppinger with State Police says that two men in a car signaled that the woman was getting a flat tire.

"When she pulled over to check her tires one of those person in that other car got out and attempted to rob her at knife point."

But what the thief didn't expect happened next. Coppinger says the female driver pulled out her handgun.

"She pointed that at her attacker and he backed away, got in the car and they fled."

Investigators say the would-have-been victim was able to turn the tables because she had a concealed carry permit. State police are keeping some details of the investigation close to their vest so they will know when they get the right guys. Right now, officials are saying they believe this to be an isolated incident.

As for advice, Lt. Coppinger says to always pull over in a well-lighted public area. And if you are pulled over by someone you don't know, don't get out of the car. Use your cell phone to call 911 and ask for assistance.

Investigators for the Arkansas State Police are trying to track down the alleged suspects and what's been described as a black Toyota Camry with Oklahoma plates. If you have any information that could be helpful to their investigation, please call Troop H in Fort Smith.

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