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Otra visión de los códigos, con nivel negro.....

CÓDIGOS MENTALES DE COLORES

Blanco
Totalmente relajado; soñando despierto; preocupado; ignorando el peligro

Amarillo
Alerta relajada; toma de conciencia relajada; evaluación de los alrededores
* este es el nivel mínimo de alerta mental en el que debe estar un oficial en todo momento, y sobre todo cuando está de servicio

Naranja
Alerta no especificada; razón para creer que usted está/estará en problemas; se debe iniciar la reacción de alarma del cuerpo; alto nivel de toma de conciencia; evaluación de las amenazas potenciales; listo para actuar; usted está consciente de la existencia/ubicación de las líneas de fuego; zonas de muerte y cubiertas

Rojo
Enfrentamiento armado; usted actúa para protegerse a sí mismo y/o a otros; busca cubierta; usted sabe cuál es la amenaza; su oponente tiene la oportunidad y la capacidad para herirlo; su arma está lista

Negro
Usted se encuentra en pleno combate; le están disparando; usted responde con ejercicios de batalla

Usted puede elegir dos caminos:
- Comprometerse totalmente; realizar una acción agresiva y firme; disparar el arma hasta que las amenazas sean eliminadas
- Pánico; colapso mental; paralización táctica; abrumado por la amenaza

El artículo fue bien traducido por "Pablo Thunderglock."

Those of you interested in the "Yang" side of Yoga should check out Scott Sonnon's work on www.rmaxinternational.com

He has his own version of Yoga that he calls "Prasara Yoga" that is a mix of traditional Yoga and his own "bodyflow" exercises.  I'm not very familiar with Yoga, but it looks very challenging to me!

He also has a program that he calls  "Forward Pressure, The Yang of Yoga" which uses the transitions between Yoga postures to build strength as opposed to the "Yin" side of Yoga that most people are familiar with that emphasizes relaxation and flexibility.

Sonnon's Body Flow and Prasara Yoga is like yoga on steroids.  I'll bet many Yoga regulars could not do half of that stuff.

I seem to recall Sonny Puzikas, a few weeks back, making favorable comments about Tai Chi and Yoga.  Not the incense burning and chanting kind, but the systems/movements which are quite physical.  Like I said, I have seen some of the Power Yoga workouts my lady does, and there ain't nothing easy about them.  If such workouts can challenge somebody who can do 200 burpees in under 20 minutes, then such workouts are physically challenging.

Amen brother about flexibility and at the age of 39 have been stretching for a long time on my own but now really looking into styles of yoga . The gym where i train at offers it but some are not good teachers  and have bad credentials but  know a few that are good and been learing from them.
No wannabes here if your on here then you doing good and I have not fought in a gathering myself but thinking about it a lot. I been doing martial arts for a while and did the Dog Brothers semm in Penn this past march and also did privates with Crafty wow that was great stuff and at 54  Crafty is the man. But some of the alignment stuff we went over was great and helped me out a great deal. Have a good one Cold War and keep streaching if you find the time check out duncan wong yogi arts[u][/u]

Can you tell us a little about Duncan Wong yoga and how it is different (if it is at all) from other yoga systems?  My lady is always interested in something different/something new when it comes to yoga.

The "big thing" now I hear is hot box yoga.  I guess the box must be pretty hot after doing yoga for an hour in 100 degree heat. 

Hey Cold War Scout
Can you give me a example of burpees? Is that like Hindu push up? From yoga's downward dog to a cobra stretch? Is that it?
Also Crafty yes that small taste of staff stretching and alignment has helped me greatly and this tread Will stay alive and will gain some traction on here.
I was also wondering about Gm Gyi I know some one that trains with my teacher from Ohio U where DR Gyi teaches at or at least did at one time well he had this woman come from GM GYI camp to do a letha yoga semm but I had to work that day and could not do it.But they did allot of staff and rope stretching. I was bummed out that I could not go but the guy is a bit of a prick not Gm Gyi but this guy who trains with my teacher . He never had her back and I think that is a big mistake.
Now I was wondering Crafty if you and Guro Inosanto and Gm Gyi believe in the healing aspects of yoga through breath control and do you practice any of this ?
In my first post on this tread I stated the founding of a guy named Duncan Wong and his breathing of Mudras and Bandhas sorry but I was Reading g the back of the dvd box. I know one is breathing and the other poses but  with your experience of stick fighting  did you find yourself healing up faster though some from of yoga and breathing?
also with your knee surgery did you find any of this helpfull?

I was hoping at some point that the leaders of the arts such as your self and Guro Inosanto ever thought about making a dvd of conditioning exercises that you have found helpfull to the public? ps if you did not get that email that i sent to you great work on Grandmasters Speaks vol 2 and snaggletooth I cannot tell you the way Tiffany and I  dig that a lot both of them. Ever think about Vol 3 and one on GM Gyi? I know hes Bando but also from what I have read a legand in his own right.
As allways woof Mongo Gary

I don't have my video handy but here is a link to a couple of web sites that demonstrate it.

http://www.rosstraining.com/articles/burpeeclip.htm

http://www.teamruthless.com/100_1201.MOV

The emphasis should be on an exploding jump.  Not a mere jump, but a driving upwards exploding jump.

At my age I have come to discover that when I stretch (be it traditional Yoga poses or no), before and after a workout, I feel much better the rest of that day and into the next day.  If I do it consistently for days at a time I find that my tendency towards arthritic pains noticeably (primarily knees) diminishes.

Separately and apart from Yoga, is what I guess is best called joint range of motion training.  That, coupled with stretching/Yoga, when I do it consistently is when I am at my most pain free.

My lady does some of the Power Yoga DVDs from Brian Kest, Baron Baptiste, and YogaHands (yoga with Heavy Hands).  Man those do not look like easy workouts.  I know I would have great difficulty doing them.  She rocks, but then again how many people can do 200 burpees in under 20 minutes?

I find it interesting how many who eschew flow drills, themselves developed their skill sets starting out doing flow drills (be it sticks or knives).  In my not very experienced opinion flow drills help you develop attributes that allow you to, as somebody already said, step out of the box and expand.  The "danger" with flow drills, IMHO, is when they become one's training and there is no stepping out of the box and experimenting with non-compliant adversaries.

As far as control locks go, I have personally never seen them work on an adversary unless 1) the adversary was dummying up (be it in training or a bandit who didn't feel like going the full fight route), 2) the adversary had already been diminished by painful strikes, 3) the officer/agent was physically strong enough to force the control lock on a weaker adversary (e.g. burly cop on skinny, "malnourished" vegan).

Herewith begins a thread dedicated to crimes of interest:
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Italian Police Search for 2 Wanted in Brutal Umbrella Slaying of Woman in Subway

Sunday , April 29, 2007

Italian TV stations on Sunday repeatedly showed videos of two women sought in the slaying of a young woman who was fatally stabbed in the eye with an umbrella on the subway platform of Rome's main train station.

News programs played video from surveillance cameras from Rome's Termini rail station, and newspapers ran front-page photos of the two suspects, dressed in white pants and white jackets, walking up a station staircase after the attack.

The ferocity of the attack shocked the nation, where violent crime on mass transport is rare.

Vanessa Russo, 22, died of wounds suffered when she was stabbed in the eye with the umbrella's tip while on her way to work on Thursday. Witnesses and surveillance cameras indicated that two women were involved in the attack.

News reports said that police were investigating whether the victim had argued with the two women shortly before being stabbed, or had made clear that she suspected them of trying to pick her pocket.

A top Rome police official, Alberto Intini, said that fingerprints found on the umbrella were fragmentary but that investigators hoped to get enough DNA traces off the umbrella to confirm that any suspect identified was one of the killers.

The benefit I see to Torquebaldes over Clubbells for combatives training is that having an edged "blade" requires your slashes to be more precise in order to achieve the angle necessary to get the most effective cut.  You have that visual reference that is lacking with sticks, pipes, etc.

That being said, I have handled the Torqueblades and do not think they are anywhere as physically demanding as Clubbells are.  So if you are doing this type of conditioning to enhance your overall striking power and conditioning, I would go with Clubbells.  Tom's comment below about Clubbells is one I agree wholeheartedly with:

You can use dumbbells and wiffle ball bats full of cement, but once you use the real thing,...it is hard to switch.

At last the wife and I arranged a date last night and planned to see "300".  Long story short, after much misadventure 300 became impossible and in search of brownie points I deferred to her request for "Perfect Stranger" which I found perfectly boring.  Ugh.

You don't think she would have been in for Planet Terror, huh?

Here is a link to a superior combatives and conditioning facility on the East Coast.

The Warriors Forge:  www.teamruthless.com

I was at DLO2, and all the women were tough as nails.  If Linda is who I think she is, she is the one I told "man, I would never want to have to fight you."  I meant it.

http://wcbstv.com/seenon/local_story_022171646.html

Day 2 ended. I thought today was as good, if not a better, training day than yesterday. The energy of the students was exceptional. I was very honored to have met and trained with all of them. Once again the two ladies represented themselves very, very well.

The day started off with some more Dog Catcher drills only this time at much closer ranges. The Dog Brothers crew (major kudos that assisted in the seminar provided very intense pressure in their roles as attackers). Despite their size and strength the students that effected a solid Dog Catcher all bought themselves a little more time to work out a solution to the problem. Being able to effect the Dog Catcher mattered significantly. It is a solid defensive tool that works well in close ranges against highly probable initial attack sequences.

The latter part of the day was spent in handgun force on force exercises. I think it was demonstrated once again that "move and ye shall live."


Kind of an additional thought:

Everybody who trained this weekend had to test themselves on a number of occasions against living, breathing non-compliant opponents. While this is a staple in Dog Brothers training it is not for all of us outthere.  Until you do this in your training are you really sure your skill sets work or will hold up? For me this was the worth the price of admission in and of itself. I now get to leave L.A. with no false illusions about who I am and what I can do (and more importantly can't do).  Major kudos to the Dog Brothers for everything they did this weekend for all of us.  Specifically candidate Frankfurter, candidate Kalani and our affectionately named "Cyborg Warrior."

I'm not sure I really mentioned how well Crafty used his check hand as part of his tactics.

I do not want to appear to be reviving a dead thread but I think it fair to mention that the other day I received replacement zerts for all the Clubbells that have any sort of compromise.  Scott Sonnon personally handled this matter, and did so with the most serious 100% customer satisfaction view I have ever seen anybody genuinely implement.  I only wish I had been fortunate enough to have been in contact with him from jump street.  I truly believe if I had insisted on my money back, he would have done so.  But my ire was never about money.  As I have always said, I am a fan of the Clubbell and of circular strength training.  My ire was about the product itself.

So I am back in full Clubbells action again.  Whether anybody ever buys a Clubbell or not, I think it is fair to say and to know that if you ever have a problem Scott Sonnon himself will make it right with whatever it takes.

NOTE:  All the new zerts are significantly longer in length.  Hopefully that will alleviate the stresses on zert issue.

Within the past 48 hours Scott Sonnon himself has gotten involved in this matter.  He seems to be a very sincere, practical, level-headed, determined to have 100% customer satisfaction kind of guy.  He also is very good at relationship-oriented skills because he completely depissed me off, and frankly I did not think that would ever be possible in this matter.  I am happy about this turn of events because his stuff is very good, including the Clubbells concept, and I sure would have hated having a chip on my shoulder for RMAX for the next decade.



I will provide a more full report once the resolution is in place.

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---So you HAVE contacted RMAX?   Why have you been implying that you didn't?  Why didn't you point that out earlier?

In a nutshell, you are the one who said I never contacted RMAX.  I have even sent them photos of their problem, although I was under no obligation to do so.  I had no need to clarify this point with you because it is irrelevant to the issue of the Clubbell apparently lacking sufficient structural integrity (probably at the heavier weights).

With all due respect sir, it does not matter to me if you ever respond to this thread again.  You are the one who annointed yourself to be the solo knight in shining armor to come to the rescue of RMAX and Torque Athletic.  You seem to miss the point that your approval is not being requested.  You are free to go about doing things in whatever manner you choose.  As am I.  We have different views of the world. 

Some folks will appreciate (well actually already have) knowing that the very expensive Clubbell they may be considering has a structural design issue before they go spending well over $100 on one.  To those to whom the Clubbell is an inviolable sacred cow, I knew in advance you would be upset that your sacred cow is being "dissed", and theoretically were the Clubbell to be shown live on national television to completely melt into a black puddle after exposure to 3 hours of sunlight you would still be justifying its perfection and be telling us we need to buy a darkened refrigerator to workout in.

I am not obligated to join the RMAX forum and do "research" on this matter.  That is a bizarre premise.  There is nothing more I need to know because I am not speculating about product deficiency.  All I need to know is actually sitting on my basement floor right now.  It's incredibly simple really.  An expensive product was manufactured and sold that does not have the structural snuff to completely handle the stresses of the work it was designed to perform. 

...instead you chose to simply post in multiple forums to tell everyone you could to never buy this product.

Yes.  Exactly.  As I look over my shoulder right now at the Clubbell sitting 10 feet away from me, IMHO you would either need to be wealthy or out of your mind to spend that kind of money on something that will have the grip bending at about a 45° angle after one year of use.

It is a good thing for the police world that you were not the one who first discovered that Zylon body armor does not stop bullets, because its clear to me you would have spent your efforts in confidential dialogue with Second Chance body armor, and the people out there wearing the vest would have never found out from you that the vest did not bullets.

Woof All:

I recently had someone tell me he was pleasantly surprised when his DLO arrived to discover that it was a triple disc.  We're incredibly honored that he was willing to shell out $80 for what he thought would be one disc, but folks, please note that this is a TRIPLE disc!

yip!
Crafty Dog

The guys on Warrior Talk know that material on the DLO videos is some potentially life-saving material that is worth its weight in gold.  As you know, I was recently doing some knife combatives training against an MMA guy, and on the fly we just suddenly went through a knife attack.  He came at me committed.   I responded with the Dog Catcther committed.  I pushed him back off balance with the arm "pincer" and my bodyweight.  I felt the moment was right so I suddenly swung the arm back across the front of his body and moved into an arm-bar across my body while compromising his balance.

Now you know me Crafty.  I am the white boy who can't dance.  I am the white boy the brothers are talking about.  But this all worked!  Funny was the comments we both made afterwards.  I said something like "of course I can't really do it all that well like Crafty Dog could", to which he responded "it looked pretty fuckin' good to me."

CWS:

Thank you.

When you are out here for the DLO: Gun, Knife, Empty Hand seminar with Gabe and me, remind me to show you the Torqueblades (see the Stickconditioning thread for comments)-- I'd be curious to get your take on them and how they overlap with the Indian Clubs.

TAC,
CD

Seems like a variation of the overall Indian clubs theme to me.  What kind of weight do these Torque Blades pack?

Scout

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The Clubbell is designed such that the knob of the Clubbell screws into the neck of the Clubbell. As I understand it the screw itself is apparently called a zert. I took the 20 lb. Clubbell that had the severely canted knob, and I unscrewed it. It was then that I noticed that the zert itself was severely bent. The bend in the zert is what caused the knob to appear so severely canted. One does not have to be a rocket science to conceptualize that the ¼” zert is not capable of handling the tremendous physical forces that are brought to bear upon the knob/neck junction of the Clubbell.

Actualy this does not surprise.

I am a Historic European Martial artist and we noticed this very early on with alot of the lower end sword's that have screw on pommel's, your knob and zert, just swinging a two pound sword with any force/speed tended to bend the tang (zert) and they were alway's coming loose because of the twisting motion on the handle, much like you do with a clubbell, the higher end sword's that are being produced now from the old design's have what is called a peened on pommel were the pommel is wedge down onto a wedge shaped tang and then the piece sticking out is heated and pounded down to fasten the pommel to the tang.


I would be willing to bet they could also do something of this nature, gradualy tapering tang and peened over pommel.


Jeff

I do wonder whether buying a simple 30" by 1" black metal pipe from Home Depot (the kind I built homemade parallettes with), filling it with sand or gravel, and quality sealing the ends with metal end caps would work as a viable substitute. The weights probably would not be the same as with some of the Clubbells that have been manufactured, but I would imagine the weights could be greater than those of the Indian Clubs that lifelineusa.com sells:



http://www.lifelineusa.com/pro.....ductid=101

Below are some of the prices of Clubbells so you can get a real idea how much money you could find yourself out of:

15 lb. Clubbell - $109.95 + $21 shipping

20 lb. Clubbell - $119.95 + $24 shipping

35 lb. Clubbell - $149.95 + $40 shipping

While ArmyDoc may not consider that kind of money any big deal, I leave it up to you to come to your own conclusion.  I came close to getting a 15 and a 20 for my girlfriend's son for X-mas.  Thank God I got kettlebells instead!

NEGATIVE CLUBBELLS EXPERIENCE!!!

As many of you know, I have been working out with Clubbells (purchased from RMAX International and manufactured by Torque Athletic) for over a year now. While I have been a great fan of Clubbells as a conditioning tool, I made an observation today on four of my Clubbells that causes me great concern as to their very safety. I know this will offend some, because the Clubbell is their sacred cow, but the truth is simply the truth. I have no malicious intent in communicating this information. I am simply communicating a truth that I have come to discover (at significant personal financial expense I might add), a truth I wish to see others avoid altogether.

I will explain in more detail below the nature of the safety concern, but in summary it is clearly evident to me that Clubbells, as they are presently engineered and manufactured, pose a serious possibility of snapping off at the junction of the grip and the body of the Clubbell, and either dropping on the user‘s head or becoming a flying missile that if they ever hit a bystander would very possibly cause death or serious injury. To the user because of the amount of weight that could drop on said user’s head, or death or serious injury to a bystander because of the amount of weight that could be sent flying in a missile manner. Do not underestimate the possibility of this happening.

While working out today with Clubbells I noticed that the “knob” of one of the 20 lb. Clubbells (it is the ball grip end of the Clubbell that screws into the neck of the Clubbell) was severely canted to one side. The Clubbell is designed such that the knob of the Clubbell screws into the neck of the Clubbell. As I understand it the screw itself is apparently called a zert. I took the 20 lb. Clubbell that had the severely canted knob, and I unscrewed it. It was then that I noticed that the zert itself was severely bent. The bend in the zert is what caused the knob to appear so severely canted. One does not have to be a rocket science to conceptualize that the ¼” zert is not capable of handling the tremendous physical forces that are brought to bear upon the knob/neck junction of the Clubbell.
In fact, during the very design of the Clubbell (when they initially were looking at a one-piece unit), there was a problem with the physical stresses placed at this very junction. Below is an excerpt from an article written by Scott Sonnon and published by Bodybuilding.com (bolding added):

“6. Cost

Okay, I admit it. I tried initially to keep cost down and create just cast-iron and even lathe club replicas of the old time bowling pin design. After several broke because of falling over on the knob, I consulted with an engineer who apprise me of the failings of single piece units. In single piece units, the structurally weakest point is where the handle meets the knob. After investing too much money in replacing these designs and trying to increase material density, we realized we needed to have the knob as a screw type attachment to the neck.”

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sonnon2.htm

As you can see, even during their own testing the designer and manufacturer had a serious problem with that very specific area of the Clubbell being able to handle the physical stress. And while the zert design may have appeared to have addressed the product safety issue (and let there be no doubt in your mind whatsoever that a 20 lb. Clubbell landing on your head or flying through the air is not a potentially very serious safety issue), the fact of the matter as evidenced by my Clubbells is that it did not satisfactorily address the issue. The physical stresses still obviously exist, and as you can see from the photos, still impact that very exact same spot on the Clubbell. As with the recent Zylon body armor matter that affected Second Chance, sometimes things will pass an initial safety and functionality test, only for it to be later discovered that the safety and functionality did not pan out in the long run under real world use. It is simply the case that, despite the best intentions, these things happen in life.
It is my opinion, based upon my personal observation, that after a period of time of doing the dynamic, ballistic exercises associated with Clubbell training (exercises actually promulgated by RMAX in their Clubbells DVD and their Clubbells book), there is a very real risk of the Clubbell snapping off at the zert, at which time depending upon its physical location in relation to the user’s body or that of a bystander, the Clubbell could become a serious health hazard. In fact at several points in both the book and the DVD, the point is made about how losing control of the Clubbell could be very dangerous.

Upon reflection and analysis I have come to the personal conclusion that it is certain exercises which generate the dynamics which result in the bending of the zert. Exercising with Clubbells is very challenging to the grip. When you mix this already existing grip challenge reality with certain dynamic exercises which cause the hand grip to slide towards the knob, what you get is a combination of physical stressors that the Clubbell is not designed to handle. There are certain highly dynamic/ballistic exercises promulgated by RMAX International (e.g swipes, mills, circles, pendulums, pre-swing cleans, pre-swing snatches, head casts) that result in the user’s hand grip sliding down towards the knob/neck juncture. This is unavoidable (if a user is to do more than a couple of repetitions of these exercises) and the knob would serve no legitimate function whatsoever if it were not intended to stop the hand from sliding any further to where the user would lose complete grip on the Clubbell and the Clubbell would go flying out of the user’s hand. What then happens during these moments of hand slide is that the meaty portion of the palm of the hand is in contact with the knob (usually in mid-swing and before a user can safely adjust). Depending upon the movement of the direction of the Clubbell at that moment of palm of hand/knob contact, the palm of the hand prevents any further physical movement of the Clubbell knob in that particular direction, yet the rest of the Clubbell is still moving. This causes intense stress at that very same spot that caused the single-unit Clubbell prototypes to snap. Only in the case of the two-piece Clubbell unit as it presently exists, it causes the zert to bend. A bent zert is only an accident waiting to happen once the stresses of the moment exceed the bent zert’s ability to handle the load. Once the zert snaps, depending upon the existing scenario, a catastrophe could happen.

After observing this canted knob on the one 20 lb. Clubbell, I then examined the rest of my Clubbells. I discovered that the knob was canted to lesser degrees (and ultimately the zert bent) on several other Clubbells. Specifically on my 15-pounder , my other 20-pounder, and on my 35-pounder. I also have a 25-pounder and a 45-pounder, however, they are newer and have been used much less often, particularly on the more dynamic exercises. I own a 5-pounder and a 10-pounder but I don’t use them much at all because the weight is insufficient for me to get anything out of except wrist casts and those exercises at those weights do not provide sufficient stress to the knob/neck juncture in my humble opinion. The fact that this same bending of the zert in four separate Clubbells has occurred is clear evidence of a design structure problem.

The only exercises I have ever done are those in the RMAX Clubbells DVD and book. I use the Clubbells about 3 times a week in total. Almost always one day each week is a total Clubbell based workout, and usually on several other days I use them as a supplement to the workout of the day (e.g. weight vest, kettle bell, dumbbell, barbell). In other words, I have never used them outside of the parameters of normal use that would be more than reasonable for such a product.
Clubbells are extremely expensive in comparison to traditional hand weights such as dumbbells. Because of the cost and potential danger combination, I highly recommend that people stay away from Clubbells. They are great pieces of weight equipment, and they have great potential, but in the here and the now they are not up to handling the stresses of the job for which they have been manufactured. Sometimes in life you live and you learn. That is my personal experience here. Just say no, unless you have lots of money to piss away!!!