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woof maija:

That looks awesome!!
Yip Man is a legend .... looking forward to seeing Donnie Yen do some Wing Chun!

yeah!

most of the emphasis is on Bruce Lee... cool to see Yip Man get his turn. also he was from a wealthy background to lose it all due to war and forced to work for a living... lots of human interest/drama there!

i didn't look hard on youtube, but i'm sure if it's not up already, it will be soon... the fight scenes that is.


woof G M:

thank you for the info/update!

We seem to enjoy the same films.

great minds think alike!

I am aware firearms are illegal in HK.

cool.. didn't mean to talk down at you if that was how you read it, it was not my intention. i havent been there in ages... it's my belief that police are armed with only revolvers because firearms are illegal.

Oldboy reminded me of what one motivated man can do with channeled aggression against overwhelming odds who are not like motivated. Pissed off and Payback.
The ending disturbed me. 

agreed. and yes, normally i'm a wussy, i watched 2 takashi miike movies (ichi and audtion) and i am a wussy. oldboy was borderline for my tastes. if not for the hype of those 3 movies, i would've probably not watched them. a little extreme for me.

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what about inspirational training scenes?

almost all oldschool shaw brothers, non-shaw brothers movies of the late 70's and early 80's -- gordon liu in 36th chamber of shaolin aka master killer comes to mind as does oldschool jackie chan in snake in the eagle's shadow or durnken fist aka drunken master ... or what about the rocky movies?

on a diff note, re:  martial application

donnie yen's first movie, drunken tai chi, was cool for me... at the time i was of the belief that tai chi was martial but in modern times was predominately practiced for health. having not officially taught it for martial applications, there were a few moves in that movie that showed me possible martial applications of the form.

@peregrine

firearms are illegal in HK... so in theory, there are no guns in their society... i dont know how much of the movies is reality where all the bg's go around with automatics.... but revolvers are standard issue

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loads of good movies/fight scenes? where to begin?

Oldboy

i loved the oldboy hallway fight, not so much because of the hammer, but cos of the boxing. although it was brief, it was very cool. and the rest of the movie is good, but not in the martial sense... 2 twist endings... one is predictable, the other caught me off-guard.. wanted to post so oldboy would know he wasn't the only one to watch this great movie... but if you want to watch it for the fight, then just watch the youtube link...if you want a good movie with twist ending... or want a revenge movie, give this a try

Tom Yum Goong/The Protector

although Ong Bak/Thai Warrior was good (i believe Tony Jaa was trained by Col. Amnat Poosiruk in the old Thai bareknuckle arts as well as Krabi Krabong), and the no-cut/one-take restaurant fight scene (i'm thinking it may be homage to Bruce Lee's Game of Death although i could be wrong -- if kill bill came out before the protector, maybe it was homage to quentin tarantino and kill bill?) was awesome.... i absolutely loved the tony jaa vs 50 guys and he breaks their arms and legs! if you look carefully, the 'form'/kata tony jaa does in the beginning of the movie, contain all the arm and leg breaks he does in this penultimate fight of the movie

Fist of Legend

my fave scene was the fight between jet and the japanese sensei... both learned from each other after having the techniques used against them in that fight and within the same fight they used the techniques that was used against them.

Throwdown (dir. Johnnie To's homage to Akira Kurosawa)

this was more a movie about redemption than it was about judo, although judo was the vehicle for the protagonist to get redemption... although not really martial arts action, check out Johnnie To's The Mission (unrelated to hollywood movie of the same name with Robert DeNiro and music by the great Ennio Morricone)... there is one scene in the mall... that was all Kurosawa... the "motion in stillness".... anyway, what is the name of the technique that tony leung ka fai does? step over shoulder lock? sweet... and Johnnie To has mentioned it in an interview that Throwdown was indeed homage to Kurosawa... especially Kurosawa's The Judo Saga, which were among Kurosawa's first movies

Donnie Yen

he was also in the forgettable Highlander 4

in his SPL (sha po lang), he imo, reinvigorated the fight scenes in HK movies. his collapsible baton vs dagger/knife of wu jing was an awesome fight... and donnie using judo/bjj/mma techniques in his fight scenes makes for something new and exciting to hong kong fight movie fans

Flashpoint was beyond awesome!

Lucy Liu

around the time of her movie with antonio banderas -- ballistic - ecks vs sever... in an interview she has said she studies kali.

Brandon Lee in Showdown in Little Tokyo... especially his fight in the factory, he rips a guard rail off and uses it as a single stick vs the bad guy's staff... Rapid Fire showed his potential to be an action star... was Jeff Imada (who i believe was close friends with Brandon) the choreographer? of course the fight vs Prof Al Leung featuring the trapping was unforgettable

going oldschool on you all lol:

heroes of the east aka shaolin vs ninja

gordon liu (aka master killer aka pak mei, priest in kill bill, aka johnny (leader of crazy 88's) in kill bill, marries a japanese bride, she practices JMA and he makes a comment to her about it and she sends a letter home and her sensei and brothers mistook it and sends their JMA experts to challenge gordon.

five venoms gang in northern shaolin vs southern shaolin aka invincible shaolin aka unbeatable dragon -- lo mang, the muscle-guy of the group, does southern praying mantis.... the scene where he does the fingertip handstand pushups with eggs under his hands always cracks (no pun intended) me up... his facial expression when he says 'eggs again?' gets me everytime... the slender venom that was slightly effeminate in this movie, played the son of the souther shaolin teacher, and was sent to learn yung chun aka wing chun

love the staff -- 2 movies come to mind:

gordon liu in invincible pole fighter aka 8 diagram pole fighter -- great staff training scenes

ti lung in kung fu instructor -- the plot is a ripoff/homage to akira kurosawa's yojimbo... if you haven't seen yojimbo, you may know the plot as sergio leone/clint eastwood's a fistful of dollars or david carradine's the warrior and the sorceress or bruce willis in walter hill's last man standing -- great staff training scenes

will post some more when i think of them....loong day at work, needed to post to unwind lol

woof all:

Short (24" - 28") sticks are fine, but not very practical nor often times are they legal to carry around.

what is legal and close is the 4 d cell maglite which is about 14"... and the 5 d cell is about 19".

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despite my nick of 'stickgrappler'  , i would like to see more of the other 2 H's, namely healing and harmonizing.

i am grateful for yesterday's rally in equities markets.

i am grateful my youngest is 5 yrs old now and in kindergarden and i can slowly ease back into training having been in the Family Man stage of life for 10 yrs with little to no training.

not sure if this post belongs in Russ Iger's Crimes using Knife thread, http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=463.0, or here....

from http://www.nypost.com/seven/10012008/news/worldnews/blades_of_gory_131524.htm

BLADES OF GORY
MIRACLE FOR KNIFED TEEN

By TODD VENEZIA

These amazing X-rays tell a stunning story of survival - in which a 16-year-old boy somehow lived through a horrifying attack by a thug who plunged a knife into his skull.

The miracle kid was stabbed and left for dead during a robbery at a bus stop last November in south London, the BBC reported.

It could have been a grisly end for the victim if his pals had not intervened and fought off the attacker. They suffered serious wounds themselves during the robbery attempt; one was stabbed in the chest.

The 5-inch blade was plunged into the 16-year-old's skull just above his right eye, and penetrated all the way to his ear. The handle was left ghoulishly sticking out, as captured in these images released yesterday.

The victim has recovered and is now a student in college, the BBC reported. But he still needs to visit doctors regularly.

The 17-year-old suspect made his getaway on foot, but was later identified when cops were able to recover DNA from his hat.

The attacker - who, like the victim, has not been named publicly due to British law - was found guilty of attempted murder by the Inner London Crown Court.

after being down 777 pts yesterday, i am thankful that the DJIA is up almost 300 pts right now (287 last).

KK attended an earlier seminar and posted a thread on it

http://216.235.242.58/tuf/index.cfm?ac=ListMessages&PID=1&TID=816134&FID=23&pc=16

i attended one last yr with the Col. in nyc and i urge anyone who has a chance to go, GO!

if you want to check out the nyc seminar, it's available on dvd at:

http://www.ancientmuay.com

CONGRATULATIONS!

i 3rd the recommendation for the RCSF (real contact stickfighting) series. although you can get it through panther videos, i believe if you get if from this site you will be getting a better deal for the whole set.

#6 is just fights, but sometimes when training, you are swinging the sticks in the air and don't have focus or intent. after watching #6 you will know why you are swinging/training the way you are taught after watching 1-4. #5 concentrates on stickgrappling.

early on in my training, i've made a vid of just Top Dog swinging the stick, and i swing along with him. good for visualization/nlp/form to see a good 'model' of ideal form/execution. heck, i still go back to that vid from time to time and 'swing along with Eric'

edit:  if i may, you posted that your style/system has staff. the DBMA Staff dvd is excellent, not just in presentation, but also in material taught. it teaches 3 simple techniques and by chaining them together, you have a functional staff 'game'. also, there is fight footage. check it out if you want to up your staff game a notch.

a legend and a pioneer passes on.

my sincerest condolences to his family and students.

RIP

is there a park or backyard you can work out of? if so, are there trees? if so, some of the branches can be used as targets, that is if you cannot hang a tire up etc.

other ways if you have your gf hold some sticks or a staff and you can hit them. tell her, well, honey, you didn't want holes in the wall

mike young has a book out on homemade equipment which iirc was a collection of columns he wrote for the mag martial arts training. you may want to check that out. one device (everyone has variations on this device) i recall is him drilling a hole in the middle of one stick and putting a rope through and hanging that. but if you don't want holes in your apartment, you will have to find an alternative. hang on a tree.

this one i got from WCK article pic - get a wok (the chinese "pot" that is used to cook everything from stir-frying to steaming) - put in a pole/pipe/etc with all kinds of things attached to pole to represent arms etc - pour cement into it to hold pole/pipe in place.

hth

woof:

a slight digression if i may:

although the fights may physically start in largo, what many don't see is that the fight actually starts in the outermost range of (the 7 ranges of stickfighting in DBMA) of Snake Range. in this range it is where the fighter analyzes his opponent, move around to look for openings and test his opponent's defenses. this is an often overlooked range. you can analyze your opponent's structure, responses, preferences, etc.

to followup on the 7 ranges, starting from the outermost to the closest to the opponent:  1) snake, 2) stick squared (there may be a new term that i'm not up to speed on yet), 3) largo, 4) medio, 5) corto, 6) standing grappling/clinch, and 7) ground grappling.

with regard to the late GM Giron, he may be referring to the style Larga Mano and not the range, although that style specialized in the range of largo mano

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http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/bjj/fbdrills.html


you can build a grappling dummy and practice on it

put a gi on the dummy or a heavy bag and practice on it either throwing or on ground

etc.

those should get you started and you should be able to come up with some on your own.

good luck in your training and HTH

I do indeed remember, in fact I've been to your archives many times over the years.   It has been a long time.

changed jobs/industries 3x since i started my site, married with 3 kids, lately i've been busy with work to update my site haven't been to you site in ages, nice look to it!

I am glad you got to train with Saya Gyi.  Given that he retired officially from the MA aspect of training last year, it may not be long until he phases out his seminars.  Most unfortunate.

yes, i consider myself very lucky to have had the opportunity to train with a living legend of the MA. i was more lucky to have been given the "day off" from my family to be able to go LOL. i have not had the chance to attend many seminars, probably 10 so far since 1999, and 3 of them were Dr. Gyi's. i treasure my memories of training with him and of the material he shared.

The last time he was at my place I was able to spend around 11 hours with him talking, outside of the seminar.  That was an amazing experience.  

you are lucky! after the seminars were over, we would all sit and listen, ask about anything and he was very sharing of his time, knowledge and experiences.

I have been bugging him about promoting the book & DVD,  I think they did a one-shot print, with a limited number of copies.  We just wrapped up shooting for the Longi project late last year.  I'm in the process of cleaning up the photography for that book.  Cross your fingers.

- Moe

*crosses fingers, toes, hands, arms, and legs*

woof:

your english is fine. welcome aboard!

not sure if you have seen these before, but for some DB photo technique sequences:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Pantheon/5640/

click on "Photos and Diagrams"

enjoy!

http://www.usmta.com/images/Mai_Sawk_Plong.jpg



i had a space after the images/

excellent! although my training partner and i used a cc to order

PS: Stickgrappler, I've always loved your website!

thank you! i just feel bad that i've not updated it in like 3 yrs. some great MA info from all over.  busier at work and in the, as they say in DBMA, Family Man stage of life, too busy to work on my site as well as surf the MA forums.

download (200Mb) of the Mursi tribe:

http://dmc.ohiolink.edu:20080/media/ffhDetails?oid=2791612

The Mursi Tribe: The Day of the Donga

cool! thank you. if memory serves and Guro Crafty can confirm, the footage in the real contact stickfighting series was of the Donga?

following up on the Staff from around the world thread, here are some Stick/Cane url's of manuals/techniques etc


Japanese Martial Arts

Yerkow's Stick Play chapter from his judo book

gojushorei.com -cane techniques

gojushorei.com - cane article

gojushorei.com - cane article

cane technique #1 from Goshin Ryu Wabujitsu.com

cane technique #2 from Goshin Ryu Wabujitsu.com



Korean Martial Arts

Canemasters - check their techniques section

Bill 'Superfoot' Wallace's site - cane

preview of Marc Tedeschi's huge book - cane

5 techniques provided by Master J.R. West at Hapkido.com linked here

www.itatkd.com cane technique

www.itatkd.com cane article





Western Martial Arts

The "Walking Stick" Method of Self Defense written by Mr. H.G. Lang who was a British Officer of the Indian Police. It was written in 1923.

Irish Stick Fighting

The Great Stick A chapter on the great stick based on the French 'Le Baton" and the Italian "Baston" from ?Cold Steel? ? by Alfred Hutton 1889


The Stick Fighting Method of Pierre Vigny
 
barton-wright part 1

barton-wright part 2

Italian Stick Fencing By Gianluca Zanini essay

Self-Defence With A Cane By Justin Bonnafous A small article written in England during the early 1900s covering the combative use of the cane.

www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Pagoda/8187/Canne.htm




World War II/Military

the first 2 links work so far from gutterfighting.org




Miscellaneous

The Beginner's Guide to Using the Cane by Don Rearic





sorry, i don't have more time to post tonight, wanted to get the ball rolling, will have more tomorrow. also, i had some of Ralph Grasso's posts and photo scenario progressions (PSP) archived on my site, alas, i violated some TOS and that part of the site was taken down when i have time, i will work on my site again and add those.






DB Forum's Staff from around the world thread

when i used to have time to read Eskrima Digest, i recall Tom Meadow's posts on his experiences fighting Top Dog. i cannot wait to check out this book once excess cash is available.

SG please feel free to start a thread titled "Staff from around the world" and share with us these manuals.

The Adventure continues,
Crafty Dog

woof Guro Crafty,

am tied up with work for a bit. i will make a new thread as you suggested.

I recognized quite a few Jo-type techniques from the DBMA "Staff" preview.  I just might get me a copy.

butchering what Bruce Lee said, but basically we only have 2 arms and 2 legs and they have a finite amount of motion angles due to our body structure. so no surprise if techniques look similar. you learned aikijo first, therefore, DB staff looks like that to you. ask someone else and they say, i see some kobudo in it if say they were a kobudo student. etc. so no surprise we apply new experiences through our lenses and based on our previous experience interpret from that previous experience's viewpoint.

Right now, I'm researching Irish stickfighting and other martial ways of using walking canes.

there are loads of online manuals relating to staff and walking canes. if you need, i will go through my favorites and find them for you should you need (or any others). i'm sure you have seen ken pfenger's (sp?) bata site.

the first set of DB vids are geared towards solo training except for #6 (fights), #5 (stickgrappling) and half of #4 (thrusts, punyos) but overall, this is an excellent set to work off of, i made a one hr workout "swing along with Top Dog" vid and used to work out to that.

another set i like is the late PG Edgar Sulite's Lameco vids - i forget the exact names, but he has a 2 vid set on single stick, double stick, and 1 on stick and knife. they are published by Unique.

there are loads more, but those are the ones i really like and recommend to anyone.