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Martial Arts Topics / Hello to the DBMA forum
« on: July 28, 2005, 07:31:36 AM »
a belated welcome aboard theMachine23 - i've seen that nick from somewhere before ;-)

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Greetings to all members!
« on: July 28, 2005, 07:08:41 AM »

Quote from: Silver_Mongoose
Hello, folks!  Greetings from the humid Midsouth.

I just joined the forum, and I'm looking forward to having quality exchanges with everybody here.

please let me be the first to welcome you aboard :-) greeting you from hazy, hot, and humid nyc for the past few days, today, luckily it has cooled off and less humidity.


A little bit about myself:

...only to ultimately find my niche in Aikido.  Since then, it has been my base art for all other cross-training that I did along with it.

always wanted to check out aiki-jo.


For a long time now, I have been very interested in a variety of stickfighting methods, Asian as well as those particular to other world cultures (Celtic, Slavic, Native American, African, etc.), and I am looking forward to learning new things here as well as offering things in return whenever I can.

did you check out Stav? not trying to troll or stir $hit, but from what i've heard of Stav, it's runes mixed in with some jodo. of course, i read that off the internet, so it must be true, right? :-) seriously, this was not from first-hand experience, just what i heard from friends.

again, welcome aboard and enjoy the ride

Martial Arts Topics / New Staff DVD
« on: July 26, 2005, 02:20:58 PM »

ACK! Saving up for it NOW!!

sorry for delay in reply - real life takes precedence sometimes. not sure if you will see my post.

a friend of mine is one of Phil Dunlap's students, Ken Andes. he is an instructor under Dong Cuestra of Doce Pares. not sure if Ken is still teaching, but next time you are at Phil's, if you haven't met Ken yet, ask for him, he's a cool guy.

Martial Arts Topics / New DVD: The Physical Body [Indian Wrestling]
« on: June 21, 2005, 09:22:53 AM »
cool metis!

as for the book, reposting a link to free online edition from above - nothing beats like having a real book in your hands, but if yuo want to check it out before buying, check the link


here's a link to the free online edition of Prof Alter's The Wrestler's Body - a book on Indian Wrestling.

Martial Arts Topics / New DVD: The Physical Body [Indian Wrestling]
« on: June 20, 2005, 01:32:33 PM »
reviews are coming back and i reposted one by someone the FMA community recognizes. there is a Robert W. Smith review forthcoming, although not know for FMA, within the MA circles, Smith is well-known.

Quote from: Tom Bisio

Review of THE PHYSICAL BODY ( DVD) by Tom Bisio

The Physical Body: Indian Wrestling & Physical Culture is a DVD that presents a unique look at the training methods of traditional Indian wrestling. Exquisitely filmed and produced by veteran film maker Vincent Giordano, this DVD is not only packed with information, but also brings the viewer the actual sights and sounds of Indian wrestling. The excellent camerawork and lighting, coupled with the traditional music that forms a backdrop to Mr. Giordano's informative narration, makes you feel as though you are warming up with the other wrestlers.

I found the comparisons between the more traditional wrestling schools and the hybrid schools that blend modern and ancient training methods fascinating. As the DVD followed wrestlers through their warmups and training exercises, I was impressed by their dedication, strength and endurance. The training exercises are presented clearly and demonstrated in such a way that the viewer could easily follow them. The relationship between some of the traditional strength training exercises and yoga's salute to the sun, was enlightening both from a cultural and practical standpoint.

I highly recommend this DVD to martial arts practitioners, as well as those interested in physical culture and yoga. Watching The Physical Body, made me wish i could transport myself back to the days when India and Gama the Great dominated the world in wrestling.

Martial Arts Topics / New DVD: The Physical Body [Indian Wrestling]
« on: June 20, 2005, 01:30:12 PM »
Written by Vincent Giordano for Jake Shannon's Scientific Wrestling newsletter:

The Physical Body: Indian Wrestling and Physical Culture by Vincent Giordano

The genesis and creation of The Physical Body project is rather simple. While doing research for my forthcoming book The Vanishing Flame: The Bare Knuckle Fighting Arts of India, Cambodia, Burma, Thailand and Laos, the workout regimens of the bare knuckle fighters overlapped those of the Indian wrestlers.

I was given a tremendous amount of access to the wrestlers and decided as I do with most of my work to begin detailing their physical regimens. It's vital to those who really want to understand many of these arts to actually see them conducted in their environment by current and active players.

Already familiar with the majority of the exercises from my own personal workouts with Indian wrestlers and from the massive library of books, ancient documents and articles I had amassed over the years, I learned there was still more to it than I had thought. There were subtle variations to each exercise as would be expected from the many Gurus who run their own Akharas or wrestling gymnasiums, teaching their own variations and unique contributions to their students.

What I found most enjoyable was watching the different speeds the wrestlers worked at. One variation of the Hindu squat might be fast and explosive, another steady almost meditative. I grew fond of the intermediary exercise I called the Hindu squat thrust which combines the Hindu squat and Hindu push up into one action which mirrors a brother action in Surya Namaskar or sun salutation.

Many people have claimed the wrestlers damaged their bodies and were in poor health later in life. From my own research, and one part of my own personal interest and that of my research, is health maintenance and restoration. One can see clearly that all exercises are built from the ground up. When asked to learn the Jori, I was given very lightweights to begin practicing the action. In time, as my strength grew, the weight and size of the Jori would grow in accordance with my development. The circular actions were beneficial I found on the joints and the use of massage, an integral ingredient to almost all Indian martial arts, indispensable for maintaining overall health.

We see similar claims in Thailand, but again the body is built slowly over time to acclimate to the task at hand. Many foreigners to these exercises just assume they should do hundreds and hundreds of reps blind. Skill is developed in increments and over time. Many of the old masters I trained with lived well into their eighties and beyond and were active to the very last days of their lives. From my own research, there were those who suffered debilitating injuries from their training and fighting careers as too in Burmese Boxing, Thai Boxing and the rest but a lot of the injuries I saw too were preventable with proper medical care.

I saw several men with cataracts which went untreated, broken bones which were not set or healed properly, improper dental care, high blood pressure to name a few. The factors went beyond the normal wear and tear of a fight career. There were those also who just didn't take care of themselves as well or continued to fight well beyond the point of their own well-being.

I decided to show many of these exercises and link them to the larger physical culture arena in India to show the greater picture. True it is only a small fragment, one at least gets an inside glimpse into the true world without any hype or hyperbole. The majority of the footage was shot as a sketchbook with interviews and training sessions looped together like a crazy quilt. I usually keep written notebooks and what I call visual notebooks for everything I do. Sometimes the visual is essential for remembering or recreating what has gone on especially as time erodes the memory of it.

Upon seeing the footage, I was asked by a prominent writer/researcher, wrestler and referee if I could record more of the exercises especially those of the Jori and Gada swinging. His help was immeasurable to me so I agreed to continue filming as a token of gratitude to him and all he had done for my research projects.

The work on this particular project focuses on the physical training, mostly on the overall regimens isolated out by akharas and a single wrestlers routine. There is a greater story to tell that clearly stretches beyond the physical. I have found that there is just a fathomless fountain of knowledge still waiting to be discovered within India.

My training and research continues to go on and in future writing and DVDs I will hope to explore and share it with everyone.

Martial Arts Topics / New DVD: The Physical Body [Indian Wrestling]
« on: June 07, 2005, 03:00:25 PM »
Quote from: Phil Dunlap  

I just finished watching this and I enjoyed it very much.

The material itself was fascinating it felt like I was actually in the various gyms watching the training. I really appreciated the section tying the various wrestling exercises to the sun salutation. I had allways felt there was a strong yogic tie-in in martial arts influenced by the Indian arts and this really put it together for me.

This tape is a must have for wrestlers who want to see wrestling history, fans of Bodyweight conditioning who want to see the layout of a holistic sport specifec routine, and people that love Martial History.

On Production : I felt like I was watching a documentery on the discovery channel.I really like it that Vinny avoided the natural temptation to involve himself or personal views in the project. The material is allowed to speak for itself.

My only complaint is now I am desperate to see the rest of his projects.

To Vinny I am so glad someone with such a true passion is documenting the arts before they die or disappear. I loved your approach to this material and am so glad you are doing similar projects on the Bareknuckle systems.

fyi, for those that don't know who Phil is, he's the lineage holder of Kachin Bando. similar to Dr. Gyi's Bando in some ways but Phil only teaches the Kachin styles.

Phil teaches in Mahwah, NJ (northern NJ) and his site is:

i went to 3 of Phil's seminar and he is a good teacher showing how things are done in Kachin bando.


here's a link to the free online edition of Prof Alter's The Wrestler's Body  - a book on Indian Wrestling.

Martial Arts Topics / New DVD: The Physical Body [Indian Wrestling]
« on: June 07, 2005, 02:55:30 PM »
Quote from: pahayuth

Another interesting article:

A short piece on the late Guru Hanuman.His akhara is featured in the dvd:

DOH! *caveman's self for being too busy with work to check forum to see this thread and missing out on an opportunity to train with Guro Crafty*


however, a big congrats on making Budo's HOF!!!

Martial Arts Topics / New DVD: The Physical Body [Indian Wrestling]
« on: May 27, 2005, 01:22:25 PM »
Indo-Pakistan Greco-Roman connection

i thought i had more Indian wrestling related threads archived on my site - for now, i've not found more.

some of my links are dead like Black Belt's article on Gama. will have to find it.

as i find more of the related threads (if there are any more) on my site, i will put up links

Martial Arts Topics / New DVD: The Physical Body [Indian Wrestling]
« on: May 25, 2005, 09:38:21 AM »
NOTE:  Guro Crafty - if this is inappropriate, pls forgive me and pls delete this thread.


reposting from -

my friend, and also Guro Crafty, Ajarn Salty and Top Dog's friend, pahuyuth is selling a dvd to finance his trips to SE Asia for research to finish up his upcoming books/dvds/articles on the SE Asian bareknuckle arts as well as Thai Krabi Krabong and other SE Asian arts/

From: pahuyuth1  
Date: 05/17/05 11:00 AM 11 AM  

My newest DVD The Physical Body: Indian Wrestling and Physical Culture is out today. The DVD focuses on the training regimens and routines of the indian wrestlers and the diverse scope of physical culture in india. As we know alot of this material formed the basis or inspiration for Karl Gotch's tremendous conditioning routines, combat conditioning and many other popular training regimens around today. The DVD offers alot of variations on the exercises from the hindu squats, hindu pushups as well as the hindu squat thrusts and everything from the gada,jori, nal, gar nal, sumtola to the unique Mallakhamb or wrestlers pillar. The DVD is set with several different chapters from showing the new ways of training in contrast to the older more ancient way in some of the top wrestling gyms in India to bonus footage and a stills gallery.

Proceeds from the DVD go toward completing the research for my forthcoming book and translating alot of the older texts I acquired over the time traveling and training.

The on line webpage has full details on the dvd, price/order info and a quicktime preview: or you can order by calling toll free at: 1 888 232-0439

Paypal, you can order through: (until MAY 24)

The DVD is $34.95 and runs 60 minutes


For members, and especially the few that emailed and needed more time: I can extend the paypal purchase until May 31st, the cost is $34.95 including postage to anywhere in the US or abroad included. Paypal: or you can email me at for further info. My travel plans were pushed back a bit so I will have a little breathing room. this is for a pay pal purchase only....


Here are interesting threads for those interested in the future of indian wrestling and where it is going: menu=news.latestheadlines


Another recent review:

" This DVD is tremendous. Anyone interested in martial arts, history, wrestling, physical culture, old or new must have this in their viewing library. This is truly an original documentary. To my knowledge, material like this exists nowhere else. I have done years of research on wrestling only to find a handful of books written in English covering the subject of Kushti or Indian Wrestling. I have also been a practitioner of heavy club swinging for close to a decade. This grew out of my interest in the strong men of India and wrestlers of old. This DVD shows all methods of traditional club or Jori swinging with both small and gigantic clubs. Today there seems to be a revival of Indian club swinging. The DVD shows a few methods of the ancient practice in its original form. I believe the Gada (Mace) exercises on the DVD will soon be copied by many after viewing your DVD. I constructed a Gada many years ago out of a bowling ball with a four foot piece of pipe. What a workout for anyone wanting to improve grip and core strength. There are exercises demonstrated that are both old and new that make this DVD priceless. Those that are fans of Karl Gotch, the Catch Wrestler and his traditional forms of exercise will see where they originated from. There is so much information and many exhibitions of students performing exercises with Apparatus such as the Wrestler's pillar or Malla-kamb and rope Malla-kamb. The book that is best known for demonstrating these pieces of equipment is of course the Encyclopedia of Indian Physical Culture. This book only gives us photos and a brief explanation of how these exercises may have been practiced. The Physical Body DVD leaves nothing to the imagination on how these routines were actually carried out and performed. I loved the sections on Wrestling throws and takedowns being demonstrated in different Ashrams or Gymnasiums. Another section of interest to many may be how the earthen pits are dug and prepared for daily wrestling practice and exercise. There were many examples on how to perform exercises that I had never seen before. This DVD gives us historical commentary, examples of traditional exercise, and wrestling demonstrations. Thanks for sharing this excellent piece of work."

Richard "Army" Maguire, Author of the forthcoming ?Invincible Iron Palm?


edit:  The direct link to the webpage is now open::

edit2:  fixed bad link

i cross-posted this on another forum and was reminded of Tom Bisio's CMA lineage:

Quote from: Andrew

Haven't read the book, but Bisio's Chinese medical and martial background is from Vince Black, a guy who is considered by many to be one of the top 'internal' guys on the continent, and who is well known in the TCM community outside of his martial skills.

there are those who believe in chi and those who don't. Hei/Chi/Qi is a big part of chinese medicine. luckily for people who don't believe in Chi, they don't need to believe in it for cures to work :-)

Martial Arts Topics / DBMA Camp 5/14-15: Short Impact Weapons
« on: May 04, 2005, 02:06:12 PM »
woof Guro Crafty:

i will look into joining DBMAA :-)

besides the SIW, my other interest is in the staff. looking forward to the material. :-)

anyone read it yet? i just started. so far so good.

A TOOTH FROM THE TIGER'S MOUTH:  How to Treat Your Injuries with Powerful Healing Secrets of the Great Chinese Warriors

i'm sure you know Tom Bisio's background in MA, if not, he is well known in Pekiti Tirsia/FMA circles - one of the top, if not the top, student of Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje Jr. he taught Eric "Top Dog" Knaus for a time. but since then he has been into the Chinese internal MA and the healing aspects of Chinese medicine. this book is about the healing aspects of Chinese medicine.

i was flipping through it in the bookstore, i know of Tom Bisio's rep and of him being legit, i bought it on the spot. i was skimming through it on train ride home and i noticed the western RICE approach and his comments on it from a Chinese medicine/Chinese sports medicine approach and how they differ. i look forward to reading the rest of this book, i know it will be good and most importantly, useful.

edit:  took out the html, forgot this forum is BBCode :-)

Martial Arts Topics / Movies of interest
« on: May 02, 2005, 02:25:37 PM »
some notes and thoughts from me:

Quote from: Matthew Wanniski
A Review of ?Kung Fu Hustle?

Chow plays Sing (coincidentally, the same name of the character he played in ?Shaolin Soccer?),

HK films sometimes names the characters after the actors because the actors are so well-known. Stephen Chow's name in cantonese is Chow Sing-chi. there are some movies of Jackie Chan's where his character is "Jackie".

Stephen Chow movies have bigger box offices than Jackie Chan movies from what i've heard. he is the biggest asian star, bigger than Jackie.

...martial arts veteran and Bruce Lee stuntman Yuen Wah (?The Chinese Connection?)

Yuen Wah is one of the Seven Little Fortunes (in cantonese:  Chut Siu Fook) and amongst his "martial brothers" are Sammo Hung, Jackie Chan and Yuen Biao. all the SLF's stage names are named after their instructor in the Peking Opera, Yu Jim-yuen, with the exception of Sammo Hung and Jackie Chan who have used their real surnames instead of their stage names.

Three others join in the fight against the Axe Gang, exhibiting remarkable and improbable martial arts skills.

the styles of the 3 who fight agains the axe gang are real styles - 2 forms from the hung ga system of CMA and 3rd one may or may not be, i'm not up on the 3rd:  1) the pole style is "5 elements 8 diagram pole" (mm hung baat gwa gwun), 2) "iron wire fist" (teet sin kuen), and 3) tam tui, the kicking/legs style. i don't know if there is a "real" toad style that the beast used towards the end of the movie, or if there is a real "lion's roar" or also the "buddhist palm", but in the chinese wu xia novels, these styles exist. cool seeing it cgi'd.

When The Axe Gang calls in the most notorious killer of them all, a man known only as ?The Beast,? ... Played with exceptional humor and athleticism by the famous martial arts master and 1970s actor Leung Siu Lung

my friend said his best movie was, sorry - the name escapes me at the moment. my fave movie of his is released currently as THE LEG FIGHTERS, available on dvd commercially. back then he was known as Tam Tao-Liang, Delon Tam (after french movie idol Alain Delon), and various other spellings. incredible kicks. and yes they are high and flashy. i am not saying it's good or bad in real life/self defense, just saying he has good kicks as seen in his 1970's movies.

i liked this movie alot. the addition of cgi was realistic enough or seamless, unlike say tsui hark's LEGEND OF ZU. in LOZ, i felt like tsui was banging my head with a blunt ax saying, look at me, ooh ahh, cool cgi, see what i can add to the movie. in LOZ, the cgi was excessive. in SHAOLIN SOCCER, the cgi was very obvious but it was not excessively used which is a good thing. some critics complained of george lucas of overdoing the cgi in episodes 1-2. some of stephen chow's earlier HK movies involved a lot of wordplay and humor was lowbrow, i am glad he has evolved and that the west is getting a chance to see 2 of his recent movies. i recommend stephen chow movies to my non-cantonese speaking friends and i always wonder if they will find it as funny as me.

Martial Arts Topics / grandfathers speak
« on: May 02, 2005, 12:51:24 PM »
this is a great video! it's always inspiring to see the elders/manongs of the art you are practicing. to see angel cabales or john lacoste move at their age is inspiring. if i was 1/10th as good as them at their mature age now, i would be happy.

Martial Arts Topics / DBMA Camp 5/14-15: Short Impact Weapons
« on: May 02, 2005, 12:40:21 PM »
woof all:

been busy with real life, happened to have some time today and surf on by to one of my fave sites on the net.

lo and behold, i see something i'm interesting in and being in the Family Man stage of life, i cannot devote time and money for the travel to this camp :-(

so my next option is to post a q on this thread and ask any chance of a video? :-)

edit:  living in nyc, i love the idea of the SIW, i carry several pens on me and it's great from many viewpts (what if you lose your pen? no sweat.; officer i was frantic and i had my hands in my pocket and grabbed a pen, it's a pen, not a knife, not a gun; ...)

Martial Arts Topics / Three years later , , ,
« on: September 23, 2004, 10:24:58 AM »
i wrote that a week before 9/11/04, but did not get a chance to post it here.

Martial Arts Topics / I will always remember?
« on: September 23, 2004, 10:23:12 AM »
I will always remember I woke up that day running late, something did not feel right?
I will always remember the E train to the World Trade Center was slow as heck?
I will always remember getting off the E train and as I go to exit at the turnstyle, a mob of people were running at me from the mall yelling, "Bomb!"?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?

I will always remember being swept with the mob being forced to exit onto Vesey Street, right next to the post office on Chambers Street?
I will always remember the tiny staircase up to the street being very narrow and barely fitting two people abreast?
I will always remember wondering why people were so slow at the top of the staircase?
I will always remember as I get to the top of the staircase exiting onto Vesey Street seeing a big f*cking, gaping black hole in the side of World Trade Center One?
I will always remember seeing the big f*cking, gaping black hole in the side of WTC One on fire?
I will always remember the dodging the falling debris as I try to cross the street to go to One Liberty Plaza?
I will always remember the chaos with the the firemen, policemen, and EMT's in the area?
I will always remember people sobbing and crying?
I will always remember people standing in a state of shock during the surrealness of the whole scene?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?

I will always remember making it to my building safely and finding other co-workers?
I will always remember my co-workers telling me they were all scared and had to evacuate?
I will always remember one of my coworkers was pregnant at the time and had to climb down 16 flights of stairs scared witless and worrying for her baby's safety?
I will always remember talking to one of my coworkers and wondering what to do?
I will always remember as I talk to him, he flinches and cringes?
I will always remember asking him what happened and he said he thought he saw some people jump?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?

I will always remember a mob of people running and shouting at us forcing us to go inside of One Liberty Plaza?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?
I will always remember that the glass cracked all around as I felt what was like a small earthquake?
I will always remember finding out that the people saw a plane heading into World Trade Center Two and running away?
I will always remember what I thought was a small earthquake resulting in cracked glass was the 2nd plane hitting?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?

I will always remember at that point to vacate the area immediately?
I will always remember thinking I hope my wife is safe in Brooklyn, right over the Brooklyn Bridge?
I will always remember if I would ever see her or my kids again?
I will always remember walking over the Brooklyn Bridge, always looking back and only seeing smoke covering the WTC?
I will always remember pi$$ing in my pants thinking what if the Bridge was going to be hit next or if there was a carbomb planted already as I walked over it with thousands of other people?
I will always remember making it over the bridge and hearing the Marshals in the Federal Courts saying the WTC collapsed and thinking, "No f*cking way!"?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?

I will always remember finding my wife and she was worried for me after seeing it all on TV?
I will always remember how fortunate my wife's coworker was able to drive us home?
I will always remember getting home just as my mother picked up my oldest daughter from pre-kindengarden with my 2nd daughter in the stroller?
I will always remember having tears roll down my face as I go to hug my oldest daughter?
I will always remember her asking, "Why are you crying, Daddy?" and I replied, "You will learn about today in school as you grow up and I will tell you then what happened."?
I will always remember the jets flying overhead continously?
I will always remember being glued to the tv in the wee hours of the morning watching the same footage over and over as my family slept and me not being able to sleep?
I will always remember the next day, my wife's best friend calls saying her brother's girlfriend called him just prior to jumping?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?

I will always remember finally going back to work after almost a week of staying home?
I will always remember working in a sardine-packed room full of other displaced coworkers at one of our branches in their lunchroom working on laptops off of picnic tables?
I will always remember working in that same room for a year before work has gone back to some semblance of normalcy?

I will always remember that it was happening and it was all real?

I will always remember 9/11/01.

* Dedicated to the heroes, victims, and their loved ones from 9/11/01 *

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Healing Aspect of DBMA
« on: August 11, 2004, 01:56:26 PM »

Quote from: Jacob Sisler

I noticed that you guys incorporate Dr. Gyi methods of Yoga, Letha Yoga if i'm not mistaken. What makes it different from other forms? How good is it for people who want to walk as a warrior for all his days?

i am not Guro Crafty. i was fortunate enough to attend 2 of Dr. Gyi's Letha Yoga seminars when he was in NYC. this doesn't make me qualified really to expound on letha, so take my post FWIW.

Letha is specifically partner-assisted. there are certain ranges of motion you cannot reach unless you have a partner assisting you. it helps to release toxins that are built up in the joints from training/fighting/shock to body. if you can, you should check it out. FWIW, i believe Guro Crafty believes it's so good, that he has included it in DBMA. i personally believe it helps.

Quote from: Jacob Sisler

I think it would be really cool if you could get a tape or 2 on his methods, nut that is just my opinion. Thanks for your time

forgive the advertisement:  join the DBMAA, there is a vidlesson on dhanda yoga (yoga with a staff).


Martial Arts Topics / Some of you guys might want to see this.
« on: July 30, 2004, 09:39:49 AM »
i'm firewalled from work :-(

Martial Arts Topics / Rambling Ruminations
« on: July 29, 2004, 10:13:19 AM »
an excellent rambling rumination on many levels (human, psychological, etc.) that tied in together.


RIP to the member of the extended Inosanto tribe

sincerest condolences to his family.

Martial Arts Topics / the black book
« on: June 09, 2004, 06:13:25 AM »
woof tom:

i am serious. i have a friend who wanted to ebay it, but then wanted to hang onto it for a bit longer and he was the one who told me that it's reprinted and he regretted not ebaying it earlier.

for some background info check out my site, i have archived a thread from a diff forum with people who knew Echanis personally. it's a long thread.

Martial Arts Topics / the black book
« on: June 08, 2004, 07:13:47 AM »

tom guthrie IS talking about the "black book" - echanis had 3 books, the red (stick), the green (knife defense) and the black (knife offense). i've never seen the black book and because it was out-of-print for so long, anytime the book showed up on ebay it could fetch anywhere up to ~$150.

from my understanding from people who have the book - at the time it was the first book out on Asian knife, whereas there were already material out on Western knife. add to the mix the mystique of Echanis and possibly would be reasons why people have been wanting to check out the book.

Martial Arts Topics / Guro Saltys Training in thailand
« on: April 22, 2004, 05:17:52 AM »
woof Evan:

i may be wrong on this, but i thought i read/heard somewhere that the Buddhaiswan Institute closed down.

although that Institute was sponsored by the government and is the most well-known to farangs, there are other krabi krabong masters still teaching in Thailand if you search/ask around.

good luck in your search and training.

Martial Arts Topics / staff training (Sibat - Bangkaw)
« on: April 19, 2004, 02:43:10 PM »
there i go again, i did not remember to log in :-(

Martial Arts Topics / staff training (Sibat - Bangkaw)
« on: April 02, 2004, 06:37:07 AM »
hey sorry, that was my post above.

Martial Arts Topics / Holy Hasselhoff!
« on: March 05, 2004, 01:45:00 PM »
woof Pretty Kitty:

Blue Swede did it originally - Hooked on a Feeling

the first time i heard it was from the movie RESERVOIR DOGS and it's available on the soundtrack.

woof Dog Russ:

ROFLOL - thx

Martial Arts Topics / Phases of combat
« on: March 03, 2004, 01:53:56 PM »
woof bludhall ;-)

Martial Arts Topics / Happy Year of the Monkey!
« on: January 26, 2004, 02:50:31 PM »

a belated New Year's greeting from me. i was off celebrating, busy with work, did not know forum was back up.

to add (in cantonese):

sun nien fai lork - literally new year happy

sun tai geen hong - literally body healthy

sum serng si sing - heart's desire is accomplished

and a whole lot more well-wishes/happy new year greetings :-)

gung hei, gung hei

gung hei faat choi!

Martial Arts Topics / Did Filipino Martial Arts Revolutionize Boxing?
« on: November 21, 2003, 10:36:05 AM »
Woof Sun Helmet:

also, as a note, several yrs ago, this discussion came up on the ED and someone had it scanned in (IIRC Mike Krivka or Joe Marsalek (sp?)) and has forwarded the article on request.

so it's possible that it was not lifted from you.

Martial Arts Topics / Did Filipino Martial Arts Revolutionize Boxing?
« on: November 21, 2003, 10:29:02 AM »

i have had the article archived on my site for a looong time, however, maybe some other site had the article too.

Martial Arts Topics / ____"MASTERS OF ARNIS, KALI & ESKRIMA"____
« on: September 24, 2003, 11:54:16 AM »
Enganyo is da man!!

Martial Arts Topics / ____"MASTERS OF ARNIS, KALI & ESKRIMA"____
« on: September 24, 2003, 10:29:13 AM »
answers to easy q's first:

yes, sinawali has been used at Gatherings (double sticks). one of the goals of DBMA is to be able to fight with either hand (and either foot forward as opposed to the common right hand right foot forward structures) and sinawali is good training towards that goal. in the first set of DB vids, Real Contact Stick Fighting, vol #3 teaches sinawali.

re:  disarms, i'm not familiar with the various disarms commonly practiced by balintawak types, but there are at least 5 generic disarms and Top Dog (Eric Knaus) addresses disarms in vol #4 of the RCSF. it rarely happens and there were 3 disarms the DB found most common:  the snake disarm (overhooking the stickarm) and 2 more which i forget the specifics to but essentially, your "alive hand" has control of the stickarm and your stickarm either hits down or hits up from below the stickarm for the disarm.

re: listing of masters in  the book, it will take me some time to type them all up. i will do a few at a time when i have some downtime from work.

Martial Arts Topics / Thai movie: ONG BAK
« on: September 23, 2003, 10:01:58 PM »
just found out that there's a Ong Bak 2 in the works. also, read somewhere about Luc Besson acquiring all rights to Ong Bak.

Martial Arts Topics / Thai movie: ONG BAK
« on: September 23, 2003, 02:49:23 PM »
here's the official site

Martial Arts Topics / Thai movie: ONG BAK
« on: September 23, 2003, 02:44:49 PM »
very cool!

thank you!!

Martial Arts Topics / ____"MASTERS OF ARNIS, KALI & ESKRIMA"____
« on: September 23, 2003, 10:51:34 AM »
just reread the Guro I interview. not the info you are looking for, but i will type up anyway as it gives you background info/context:

ES:  Could you tell us, Guro Dan, some details regarding your birthplace and your Filipino heritage.

DI:  I was born on July 24, 1936 in Stockton, California. During the 1930's, Stockton had the largest Filipino population in the United States. Far larger than the Filipino communities in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Seattle, Chicago or New Orleans. As a matter of fact, it was the largest Filipino community outside of the Philippine Islands. It earned the name "Little Manila" because of the variety of Filipino regional groups that came and settle there in the 1920's and 30's. Although there are still around 30,000 Filipinos that live in the Stockton area, French Camp. Lathrop and the Mateca area, they are a vanishing breed because of the continuing move to the bigger cities and the effects of intermarriage.


ES:  Can you tell us about your instructors in the Filipino martial arts?

DI:  I have trained with a lot of instructors. Some for a very long time while with others I have only trained for a very short time, mainly due to constraints of time and distance. In Stockton, I trained under and received instructorship from Master John Lacoste, ...

In the Los Angeles area, I continued my training under Master John Lacoste of Stockton, California. ...

pgs 262-263
the book is copyright 1993 Socorro Publications

edited:  for formatting of bold and italics

Martial Arts Topics / Thai movie: ONG BAK
« on: September 23, 2003, 10:23:34 AM »
will be watching the making of soon.

Martial Arts Topics / ____"MASTERS OF ARNIS, KALI & ESKRIMA"____
« on: September 23, 2003, 09:50:04 AM »
woof bookworm:

did you check

i just noticed that it was a bakbakan int'l project and edited by rey galang.

IIRC, Enganyo reviewed this book. hopefully he will have the URL handy.


quick reply now:

1. how many eskrimadors are mentioned in the book? (are there any new info on manong john lacoste in the book, as per my questions posted above?)


32 in part 2 and in part 3 13 for a total of 45. some of the masters are interviewed and include some technique sequences. some of the masters are only pictured and identifying their style they represent.

i don't see any info on manong lacoste. i will read the guro inosanto pages when i have a chance.

2. of those, how many are from cebu specifically? and how many are bisaya (from leyte, bohol, cebu, negros, n. mindanao, etc)? what are their names?


unfortunately i don't think the masters were broken down by location, so i would actually have to check each master. this will take time.

3. when were these masters born (the year would be sufficient)?


IIRC, not many of the masters birthdates were given. again, this wil take time as i reread each master.

4. what did they do for a living?


i'm pretty sure, but going off of memory, many if not all, the jobs of the masters in the book were not mentioned.

i don't think i'm much help. sorry. but give me a little time. i'll be back to you.

Martial Arts Topics / Thai movie: ONG BAK
« on: September 23, 2003, 09:29:28 AM »
i watched this last night. i think this movie has been out on vcd and dvd for a few months already.

*WOW* this movie harkens back to the 80's Hong Kong action/martial arts movies. it is very evident that the star is talented. his stunts remind the viewer of a young jackie chan. the sheer energy and reckless abandon that he puts himself through as well as the other stuntmen were awesome. there did not seem to be any wirework (although a few scenes there had to have some wirework - the star literally runs on some guys who chase him), the star really runs and jumps over cars, jumps through a small hoop, cartwheels between 2 guys moving big glass panes without breaking the glass, runs and slides into a split to go underneath a truck, etc. the philosophy of filming this movie was very much in the vein of the 80's Hong Kong action movies - there seems to be an abandon of reason and care for life of the stuntmen - the movie is the most important thing. the director and/or martial arts choreographer (or stunt director) literally has the stuntmen do stunts which even i think even HK has not done in some time.

i heard some of the buzz about this movie about its bringing on authentic thai bareknuckle master for the fight sequences. although they are flashy on film (spinning and/or flying knees and elbows) it really was choreographed well and the fights had me on the edge of my seat. there was a brief fight scene in which i believe krabi krabong was used (thai weapons system). i particularly liked the staff fight. it was a 6' staff used double-ended and ended up with a baseball grip. there were the mai sowks which were huge compared to the thin ones i've seen before. the mai sowks look like tonfas.

initially i wanted to check out only the fight scenes and i'm glad i watched the whole movie. although i watched an unsubtitled, undubbed version on vcd, it was easy to understand the plot. 1 hr 44 min total running time.

a cursory google search turned up the following:

you can get it here:

alternate reviews:

Martial Arts Topics / Forever Young
« on: September 23, 2003, 06:58:29 AM »

i misread the post. despite the lack of death-matches or Gathering experiences, i do find that my sporadic training does make me feel Forever Young. i'm currently in the stage as identified by DBMA of Family Man. and as such, my family takes precedence over my training. however, when i talk MA or do some training, i feel Forever Young. and despite some "dead pattern training" Guro Crafty is alluding to, i get something out of it in that it makes me Forever Young.

when i was younger, i competed in 2 sports and whenever i think back to those days or talk about it, i feel Forever Young. those were my pre-Family Man "Glory Days". now my glory days as a family man are the joy as a parent of seeing my children learn and respond to what i've taught them, seeing their progress in various aspects of life, etc. it is truly a joy. although, the feeling/anchor of Forever Young in the earlier stage (i forget the DBMA term as i post this - bad dog, bad dog!) and the feeling of F.Y. as a Family Man are technically different - it does bring about the same feelings. although some may argue that being a parent, one would feel older, but that is a slightly different issue :-)

perhaps i'm rambling, but i wanted to bring out the point, that some of us with considerably less death match/Gathering experiences do find that the training does evoke a feeling of Forever Young.

Martial Arts Topics / ____"MASTERS OF ARNIS, KALI & ESKRIMA"____
« on: September 23, 2003, 06:18:57 AM »

my friend i posted of is Enganyo. he beat me to it.

and Guro Crafty beat me to posting the URL to an article on Manong LaCosta's death.

i have the book with me now at work. if you have some other q's, ask away, and i'll see if the book has the info.

Martial Arts Topics / Congratulations to LG Mike Barredo
« on: September 22, 2003, 02:11:59 PM »
a big Woof!


Martial Arts Topics / ____"MASTERS OF ARNIS, KALI & ESKRIMA"____
« on: September 22, 2003, 02:06:03 PM »
i will dig up my copy tonight and see what i can find for you. i don't recall anything on Manong LaCosta.

there was an interview with Guro Inosanto.

Martial Arts Topics / Forever Young
« on: September 22, 2003, 02:00:50 PM »
it is inspiring for me.

very nice writing. thank you.

Martial Arts Topics / ____"MASTERS OF ARNIS, KALI & ESKRIMA"____
« on: September 22, 2003, 12:49:27 PM »

i don't have the URL handy or recall the correct name, but i should be able to look it up at home. there's a bookstore in san francisco which sells many Pilipino books and i've a friend in the past who told me he got some MA books from there that is not commercially availalbe elsewhere.

is there  a specific GM you had a q on or just a general research q on the GM's?

Martial Arts Topics / 1 stick vs. 2 sticks
« on: September 09, 2003, 01:52:41 PM »
woof guest:

"one stick working both hands"

not sure i understand you. do you mean work one stick with both hands at the same time like dos manos grip (working with 28" stick or 4-6' staff) or working with a stick one hand at a time but being sure to work the complementary hand?


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