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A friend of mine described a short (5-10 minute) show on the Dog Brothers including interviews with Corey Davis.  Did anyone see this on ESPN during the Dec24-Jan02 stretch?  I'm searching on the ESPN site, but I can't go back in time.

Saw this in the Inayan forum :

http://www.eskrimadorsdocu.com/

I updated the show times and added channel info.

If you're up for a good laugh, here is another show on Fight Clubs including my group as well as a motorcycle gang "East Bay Rats" from Oakland.
-- Gints aka Baltic Dog

G4 Investigates: Fight Clubs
Saturday December 13th 10pm (EST/PST)  NOTE:  there is some confusion on the time.  My on-screen cable guide lists 7 pm but the previews on the G4 channel say 10 pm.

Preview: http://www.g4tv.com/techfightclubs/
Press : http://www.g4tv.com/g4/press/238/G4_INVESTIGATES_TECH_FIGHT_CLUBS.html

Sat 10pm December 13 (EST/PST)
Sun 5pm December 14
Mon 5pm December 15
Tue 3am December 16
Wed 2pm December 17
And so on ...

136 on G4/Comcast cable (at least in SF Bay Area)
354 on DirecTV
191 on DISH Network

Good idea, and this is a DVD I would buy.  I've lost interest in the "this technique seems useful and works very well in dojo drills when the master demonstrates on his disciples" videos that are so common in the industry.  I really liked the preparation and fight demonstration concepts in the first DBMA series.  Most tutorial DVDs are about an instructor's favorite techniques and systemization.  There is a great deal of athleticism involved in fighting, and I'd like to see how others prepare including the timing before an event.

Very nice.  I like the variety of the footage, especially the hillside fight and the fights with the backlighted dust in the corral.  This variety shows the breadth and longetivity of the Gathering experience.

I had a chance to watch the Nat. Geo. special last night. It was the first time I have seen it since after actually fighting in the Gathering, so I made sure to actually pay attention to the anthropologists and psycologists. I was amazed at their reasons for us fighting! I told my wife that I didn't think there was a single guy out there that was fighting to prove their "manhood". My wife asked me why did I fight. My answer was a) to test my skills in a real fight B) to be able to better defend her and our family. I know that I am a litltle late on posting this (like a year) but the shrinks have us pegged completly wrong. Just my two cents. 

After years of having to answer the question "Why do I do this?" , I do say it is to prove my manhood, to myself and others.  An assumption of manhood is that you can defend yourself and your loved ones, so you're out there to prove to this yourself.  While a small % of women are able to do this, almost all of full contact fighting, firearms, weightlifting and other physical domination training is the domain of the male.  Why?  Because men are expected to assume the protective, even on the very first date ! 

Given that crime is at a historical low in the USA and the chances of you ever needing these skills is nearly zero, why else do you think you do this?

That would be Peter Andrada.  I believe that he fought in a red shirt with a white flower pattern.

The show is National Geographic Taboo : Proving Grounds from 2007.  It reairs periodically, but it appears that the new 2008 season also includes a different show with the same Proving Grounds title.

Here's a bunch of pics from Sunday:

http://picasaweb.google.com/sbcoast/GatheringOfThePackSummer2008?authkey=DZiMZwSeUBQ

Thank you for posting the pix.   This bunch looks especially fierce.  There is a guy in there that almost looks like Corey Davis. 

For matching height/weight, just look to Roger Tinkoff (C-Space Dog).  He challenged and fought Tom Kier for a single stick fight at his first Gathering.   A 2x weight and strength difference is a true Gathering experience.  Granted, that's tougher to find for the larger guys.

A lot of blades are manufactured for "intimidation by feature."  A notable example is the gun-knife combination pieces which are neither good at being a gun or a knife.   Armies would outfit their soldiers with kerambits if they had a decided advantage over a straight blade or in anything.

Thank you for your posting, Ryan.  For a month or so, would you mind hiding your link on YouTube?  It would be better to go directly to the E60 site.  If ESPN can measure a lot of web action, then they'll do more pieces in this fighting genre.

Here is the link from the E:60 site.  If you get a chance, login and make a favorable or unfavorable comment but try to give it a good star rating to keep the fight genre going.

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3361421

As it turns out, very little stick fighting made it into this piece.

Updated with DirecTV information.

It's an honor to be in a rerun!

The Dog Brothers documentary "Fight Club: No Limits" will rerun again on Sunday April 20 at 4pm PST (7pm EST) .

National Geographic Channel
For SF Bay Area:  Comcast Cable channel  273 (for High Def 757)
For DISH Network: 186  (for High Def 9429)
(The DISH schedule shows 3:30pm .  Odd)

That's awesome! I've been wanting to watch it again. It was very well done, except for the sissy psycho-babble from the talking heads.

I think that the words of the academics are important.  They stimulate controversy by presenting another opinion.  Yes, they are guilty of syllable inflation, but otherwise, I enjoyed hearing their remarks.  They offer the perspective of the ivory towers that shape the academic minds of tomorrow, like it or not.  Should we expect them to completely understand our motivations?  Did any of us understand the Gathering before we fought?  I didn't.

The show was on the phenomenon of the Gathering.  The documentary was awesome, but, in complete agreement of Marc's description of the editing stage, I do wish they included longer fight clips. A "behind the scenes" segment would also be cool to watch.   

I get a lot of "ripped" shows (mostly from Satellite boxes using PVRExplorer) using a combination of binsearch.info and Newsleecher software.  Couldn't be easier.   The problem is that most of the premium content is encrypted, so most HD shows and Nat Geo aren't made available. 

I was the DB documentary on one of the bit torrent sites, but I wasn't able to access the torrent even after registering.  Hmmm.  Prof G, what's your source ?

Interesting read.  I agree.  Men that don't adhere to that list won't have marital problems.

Hello.  I'm Gints, bestowed with the honor of being a member in the tribe with the name: Baltic Dog, credit to my Latvian heritage. 

My first Gathering was July 2002.  Rog, Milt and I had been training in Go Shin Jutsu Kenpo with Prof. Richard Lewis for years and fighting with magazine clubs, aluminum knives and soft training sticks in a small garage club.  I had done Eskrima training in 1995 with Guro Vince Uttley, then trained more seriously with the Inayan Family in 1999-2000.  Sometime in 2001, the Dog Brother instruction video tapes entered our lives.  One tape started with a breath-stopping footwork drill by 6'4"+ Top Dog in white sneakers.  In an earlier era, he would have been clearing battlefields as Achilles.  Another tape included some Gathering footage.  We watched the tapes, and cringed thinking everyone would die. They were hitting and dropping each other with wooden sticks.  After a few replays, we noticed the young first-timer in the baggy pants hadn't dead. Nobody died.  We can do this, too.  I bought the baggy pants.

For two months before the event, Rog, Milt and I trained in a secluded area in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco  with rattan sticks, helmets, body padding and a video camera.  We thought the police would drag us away.  No one noticed us in the land of Flower Power. Even with the body
pads, the sticks hurt. Everything hurt.  We all made the trip down to Marc's Dog Brother training camp.  In the first session, one fellow took a stick shot in the mouth and lost a tooth.  Every one in the camp looked fierce.  On the last day of the camp, most of these tough guys said they
weren't fighting in the Gathering.  Too dangerous.  Perhaps, we can't do this. We should just watch.

The day before the Gathering, Top Dog invited us to a Kajukenbo dojo in Long Beach to practice spar.  We rationalized that even if we were maimed then, it would be the same as a Gathering.  Target practice with the new guys. A few minutes after we arrived, Salty Dog took a shot on his hand from Top Dog and spurted  blood all over the mat.  His reaction was non-existant.  "Oh my, I hurt my hand, again."   We froze.  Top Dog and Lonely Dog played with us a bit, though at the time, we thought we were in a death match.  They let us walk away.  We drove back to the El Segundo hotel as giddy as school girls.  That is how I spent my 32nd birthday.  Do you remember yours?

The Gathering starts with knife fights to shake out the butterflies.  Then out come the big sticks.  We fought.  We bled.  We shook hands.  That is the way of the Dog.

Eternal thanks to you, Marc.  May the world see your Tao of the Dog on this show.

I would have to go with the  the "Bourne" trilogy

Call me stupid, but I watched all three (don't bother with #3) and never really saw any fighting.  I remember rewinding and watching the fight sequences.  They are rapid film cuts and sound effects coupled with some victim movement.  Yes, the sound and scenes are gripping.  To me, it looks as if editing technology made up for Bourne's disinterest in training in martial arts.  Lucy Liu does a much better job.

Great !  I'll spread the word by posting to other martial fora and maintaining those posts with any updates.  I haven't seen any trailers posted, so let us know if one exists.

Also, Fight Club is a fine name even though the producers didn't show respect for your efforts.  Having been through that process myself ("Geek Fight Club" comes to mind), I think Nat Geo made the right choice in your case.  Stick Fight Club might have been better.  Just imagine scanning through the channel guide on your TV or programming your show selector to search for key words.  Fight fans would be looking for the word Fight.  With the current title, they will find your show and hear your message.

As for association with the "Fight Club" movie, I think that is great.  A poll of Gathering fighters would probably reveal a 100% acceptance of the movie.  A negative perception would be that life is imitating art instead of art imitating life.  The Gathering existed *before* the movie though it would be inaccurate to assume that Gathering attendance has not been influenced by fans of the movie.  I started my own garage club in the late 90's, but it is obvious that immediately after the debut of the FC movie in 1999, those without martial arts training thought they could fight as well.  The same applies to my group for fighting with rattan sticks after watching one of the Gathering tapes made available in the first DB series.  Before then, we used softer weapons and aluminum knives as an extension of FMA training.  The tapes taught us that everyone didn't die from one stick strike.  What a life changer.

I posted the announcement to the Kajukenbo cafe, Inayan Eskrima, Damag Kali Yahoo group, Stick & Knife forum.  Spread the word to your friends and family.

I'll do the manual searching labor for the schedule.

Look for standard definition and high definition.
In the San Francisco Bay Area: Comcast 273  and for HD, 757

This link is for Eastern Time (ET in the link)
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/ET/daily/20080123.html

This link is for Pacific Time (PT in the link)
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/PT/daily/20080123.html

Wednesday January 23   6pm PST (3pm EST)
Saturday     January 26   7pm  and 10pm PST (4pm and 7pm EST)
Monday      January 28   10am PST (7am EST)
Wednesday January 30 (schedule currently doesn't show the time)

Random question here..I notice that all of the dog brother fights are with a weapon..What about just going at it weaponless against each other and rolling empty hand? Have you guys done this before?

And this happens in the Gathering fights,often after the first few seconds.  The issue is that there are tons of venues for weaponless fighting, so why drag down the premier weapons fighting event ?

Very cool.  Tons of thanks to Marc for running the Gatherings all of these years.  Any word on an air date/time ?

Thanks,

Baltic-Dog

What word on yours?

Woof Crafty Dog,

Here is a link to Bolveys Kotaro Klimanis .

http://www.gentlemensfightingclub.com/BolMedia/Webs/BolCentral.html

Here is an edited video of some of the basic sounds of life, until they are socialized out of him :
http://gentlemensfightingclub.com/Videos/LittleBol/_NewUpload/Bol_SoundsOfLife_11_04_2007.wmv

Baltic Dog