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Crafty,

The show appears to be 480i , the old "standard definition" TV standard.  The Comcast Cable box showed an HD download (1080i) on its front panel during the broadcast, but the show appeared to be a stretched version of 480i.  When I play the show back from the DVR, the box says that the recording is 480i.  If there is an outlet for the HD show, I'm an eager customer.

More show times here http://www.indemand.com/product/view/200437 :

October 19 3:00 PM   873   Replay   Stick Fights: Dog Bros' Cruel Combat
October 20 10:30 AM   872   Replay   Stick Fights: Dog Bros' Cruel Combat
October 21 8:00 AM   873   Replay   Stick Fights: Dog Bros' Cruel Combat
                6:00 PM   871   Replay   Stick Fights: Dog Bros' Cruel Combat
October 22 7:30 AM   872   Replay   Stick Fights: Dog Bros' Cruel Combat
October 23 9:00 AM   873   Replay   Stick Fights: Dog Bros' Cruel Combat
October 25 8:00 PM   871   Replay   Stick Fights: Dog Bros' Cruel Combat
October 27 4:30 AM   872   Replay   Stick Fights: Dog Bros' Cruel Combat
October 28 5:00 PM   871   Replay   Stick Fights: Dog Bros' Cruel Combat
October 29 3:30 PM   872   Replay   Stick Fights: Dog Bros' Cruel Combat
October 30 5:00 AM   871   Replay   Stick Fights: Dog Bros' Cruel Combat
                 8:00 AM   873   Replay   Stick Fights: Dog Bros' Cruel Combat

dummyplug,
 
If you want good WEKAF rule sparring and a good beating, find Guro Reggie Burford at his Oakland Eskrima club.  Bart Hubbard has fought at a a Gathering and has a crew with WEKAF sparring somewhere in the Sacramento area.  I've held a 100% sparring session for over ten years in the SF Bay Area.  The last full-contact session was in June 2010.  Since then, I have had some trouble with a location for that event and have moved to a different type of sparring.  There are a number of sparring events in the area:  Golden Gate Karate, the Inayan Family eskrima sessions in Sensei Hans's tournament in March(?).  Guro Jon Ward (Los Gatos) holds a training class with stick sparring.  Join us sometime.

Gints

I see other show dates up until October 29?

Marc, will there be a way to purchase the show as a DVD or even higher quality video file?  It doesn't appear to be HD according to the listing, but is it?

Excellent compilation.   Thanks to whomever video'd (can't even say videotaped anymore) and compiled the highlight reel.

http://www.indemand.com/product/view/200437

For the San Francisco Bay Area, Comcast does not list this show in their OnDemand on any schedule I've searched using the DVR.  The Comcast Tech Support agent told me that the shows will be shown the day of the event, and confirmed that she found the show.  I asked her to search for "Stick Fight", and she replied  "Stick Fight Dog".  PayPerView (PPV)/OnDemand shows can not be recorded on the Comcast DVR as the box does not allow it.  Correct me if someone knows how to configure the DVR to do this.

I am concerned  about the accuracy of the show start times.  indemand.com lists one set of times, but when the Comcast schedule for my area is accessed, the show is in a different time slot.  The Comcast agent stated 7pm for October 18, but the InDemand schedule shows 3pm for the same day.  The InDemand schedule lists channels 870-874 for OnDemand while the Comcast agent stated the first run is on channel 301.  So, check here on the morning of October 18 as I will post the time for the show I order.

I plan to order the show twice and possibly more, depending on the price, to support DBMA's foray into PayPerView TV.

Good principle, Crafty.  I'll have to give yoga a second chance.  Some of the "hot" yoga classes appeal to those seeking sweat a quart and walk around two pounds lighter.   Can't stop ...

Don't get me wrong.  There is value in ritual and repetition.  If someone with lower back issues has found a routine that provides relief, stick with it.  Personally, I was in the "seeking relief for lower back pain" category.  The universal recommendation was yoga, but most of those recommendations come from office workers (mostly women) that exercise with yoga exclusively.  After three months of bi-weekly yoga classes, my back was no better off.  What did help is 30 body weight deep slow (5 seconds down, 5 seconds up) squats as well as a new lower body weight lifting routine.  My utilitarian nature is attracted to the stretching and strengthening of weighted squats or performing the oldest known karate kata (Naihanchi) over a static pose (Yoga Pine Tree? comes to mind).

This thread should be condensed.  After my own research, I've summarized

1) Stretching does not prevent any injuries.
       Break a sweat to "warm up" before any strenuous activity and do your activity regularly

3) Most stretching is a complete waste of time other than the pleasurable sensation it produces.
     If your activity requires an increased range of motion, extending your current range is beneficial at the expense of optimal performance
     in the normal range.  i.e. long distance runners do not need to stretch at all

4) Prolonged static stretching yields a temporary 1/3 reduction in strength for up to an hour
     This also results in a reduction in muscular coordination.

5) Stretching can cause lasting injuries when muscle tension strains connective tissue.

6) Stretching is bad for you when it displaces other physical activity
     Yoga makes you fat when you rely on that hour for your calorie-burning physical training.

7) Most increases in range of motion are better achieved by training the muscles that produce the motion.
    i.e.  Strength training rather than flexibility training will allow for more accurate kicks to the head of a standing opponent.

8 ) Regular training in your activity is adequate dynamic stretching will train your body to the optimal range of motion and will extend it beyond that achieved from sitting in an office, car, sofa or sleep.  This is your sports-specific stretching program.

9) Most static stretching does *not* increase performance in sports that require an increase in the range of motion because muscular elongation is regulated by a neural mechanism that is sensitive not only to the magnitude of the stretch but also to the velocity and acceleration of the stretch.

10) It is better to stretch vigorously than to do no physical activity of any kind.
    There are benefits to stretching, but no one is sure what they really are.

Woof Marc.  Is that the schedule for the upcoming new PPV show?  I don't have any experience with InDemand .  indemand.com shows PPV providers as Comcast in my area, but has trouble showing me the schedule even for 10/02 .  What's the name of the show?  Awesome.

As for appearance on TV, Marc includes this line on the fighter registration form :  "All copyright (video etc.) belongs to DBIMA, i.e. we can use your fight etc. in our videos and otherwise."  As international television coverage may not be obvious with that disclaimer, a phrase such as "If you do not want your fight to appear on TV, just watch." should be included in both the registration form and the ritual speech.

Agreed.  The woman should be evicted for the slap, and the older man for his failed assault.  While he was likely responsible for the bad will, the young man was not shown to assault anyone.  If the young man had done to either what had been done to him, he would have been treated much more harshly.

Could I be forward and ask if you could eleborate on your experiences with hose fighting.  

Woof Kaju Dog,

Although I tried only one hose fight with Bart Hubbard at a past Gathering , I've been experimenting with thick black rubber hose fights at my own fighting events.  We've tried the thin 3/4" clear hose and the thick black 1 .. 1.5" in diameter, all available from Home Depot.  The fights are with WEKAF masks for sound, visibility and to allow bare-handed fighting that would be grated into mozzarella on the face mesh of a fencing mask.  Shirt-free and glove-free fights allow for maximum pain.  The thin hose is too whippy, though longer lengths provide plenty of sting.  The thicker hose fights are more fun.   Are you planning such a fight?

Also, we've tried some chain fights with lighter grade chains.  They leave excellent welt patterns, but the sharp burrs should be sanded down as they cut and tear the skin too much.  There is an image of my friend Peter with fading leg pattern the first time we tried the chains with shirts.  Take the picture immediately after the fight, not 30 minutes later.

With respect,

Gints

http://www.gentlemensfightingclub.com/Images/GFC/Wounds/GFC_PeterChainWound_5131.jpg
(My web server is finicky.  Save the above file or right mouse-click to open in a new window)

For a few years in the 2000s, I organized my friends to help Marc and Fran, then, Ron with photography and videography.  So, I　had tallies of fight counts for a number of events.  The average was three, despite manly recollections of greater deeds : one knife and two stick.  1-2 guys would do one or five fights.  Some would do 1-2 knife fights, only (more prevalent at more recent, larger events).  Personally, I would judge those as exhibition matches as a knife fight in itself s not a full Gathering experience.  Three is a good number for a first-timer.  As Marc recommends, the knife fights help release the butterflies from fighting in front of a crowd.  You decide beforehand because it is so easy to sit out from lack of motivation.  Legitimate injuries take out only a few.  Iｆ you are worried about stamina, take it easy during the knife fight. 

Excellent post.  I  spent 17 days (January 2006) in the aftermath of the Kashmir Earthquake of October 2005 as a relief volunteer, walking through the rubble of towns (e.g. Balakot) that were leveled into permanent oblivion. It will be difficult to overcome some of the past recommendations on earthquake safety.  In walking through smaller buildings with collapsed roofs, I was pulled aside many times to be shown that the doorsills were intact.  Over and over, I was shown that the safest place to stand in an earthquake was in the doorway.  Evidently, such a position will keep one safe from a collapsing roof of a single story building and possibly the floors of a 2-3 story building.  Since most houses around the world have no more than two floors, perhaps such advice is still sound.   I did see five story government offices, hospitals, schools and hotels leveled to little more than the sum of the thickness of all floors.  In such cases, the doors were crushed as well.

I prefer a more gradual method for weight acclimation.  Get yourself a newborn and one of those "Instant Domesticator" baby harnesses.  Start with a newborn of about nine pounds.  It would be better if they ramped up the weight more gradually, but they seem to grow much faster and hit 20 lbs in the first six months.  Squats and split squats will help raise the pulse.  For interval training, grab a second baby, such a two year-old, and carry both.

Seriously, sticks are dangerous, but it's not as bad as it looks.  Observe "empty handed" training on a heavy bag.  You see people slam the bag and never miss.  The same person in a ring lands only the rare good blow.  As others have recommended, learn to use a roof/cross block for closing (you are attacking) and a DeQuerdas (medium range) style hand-reinforced block for defense.  (To cover angle #1, stick tip up, weapon-bearing hand at chest level, empty hand (thumb towards body) behind stick to reinforce at 1/2 or upper 1/3.  The important point is to position stick to cross (maximal intersection) #1 angle.  That positioning is effective ableit somewhat uncomfortable without 10,000+ repetitions.  Both of those blocks have worked well for me in sparring and at Gatherings, although I'll have to admit that I needed to be hit very hard in order to learn the proper positions - something years of drills in class will not teach.

Girls Stick Fight - Last Woman Standing - Series 1 Episode 3 Preview - BBC Three

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcfYTBqIq88

He's very tall at 6'5".  It will take a lot of steroids to bulk up a frame that tall.  Masculine culture is on the decline when a "metro" male model is chosen for the role.

We should keep a sticky to alert the tribe of upcoming TV showings of the National Geographic "Fight Club : No Limits" show.

I'd really like to this documentary.  I don't see it on Netflix, and all I can find on the web are the two trailers.
Any leads for getting a hold of the movie?

Sled Dog, moving smooth in the ring !

Great clip, especially the interjection of the boxing footage.  Roger Tinkoff suggests "Female-American Slap" as the modern American euphemism.

That is indeed Mother's Day, Guru. 

Is Mother's Day really a problem? Though, if it weren't in hot June, Father's Day would be an appropriate choice for a masculine event such as the Gathering.

You don't think the guys, especially in the first clip, are using real strikes? Interesting.

I'll take back my statement which I made after skipping through the videos in haste at the office.  After watching them in their entirety, they look pretty good.

Congratulations to Nick, Kalani and Erik.  What a great show.  The human endurance contests always deserve a lot of man points.  Kalani's belly strike slow motion video is destined to be an Internet reference classic.

Hey guys,

I received a KIL email announcement that Nick "Pappy Dog" and Kalani "Poi Dog" are on a show called "Time Warp."  Nick's episode is apparently on Wed April 15 on the Discovery channel. 

I watched the first episodes this week and saw the preview of a stick striking a belly in super slow motion.  The crux of the show is a 1000 frames/second (could be more, please correct) camera that slows down events by a factor of about 10 (according to cameramen on show.  The numbers don't match up, so I think they made adjust the frame rate according to the duration of the event. 1000 fps /30 fps = 33x and 1000/60 fps = 16x)

Little Bolveys is doing well at 1.5 yrs.  Retirement? Have I been out of Gathering action that long?  Please, say it's not true .  Son#2 is due in August.  It will be tough to get to Gatherings this year.  I miss all of you.

Here is little Bol in a video.  He is fond of rattan sticks:  http://vimeo.com/2519035

While I can't verify whether these demonstrations are indeed fake, I have a few observations.  Demonstrator #1 (young fellow with jar head) tenses his neck before the blow.  The severity of the punch is not known.  You can take a bad punch in the throat and hurt later.  This Also, it is possible that this fellow has natural attributes (height, recessed larynx, strong front neck muscles) that allow him to take such demonstrations.   It is rarer that he can take shots to the throat and groin.  Too many people think that martial arts is 100% development rather than a selection of the able. 

The punch to the belly/solar plexus is unimpressive to a trained martial artist. 

Taken ata face value, the groin shots are remarkable.  I'd like to know more about the groin shots. There are many sleight-of-hand tricks performed by the obvious performer and the less-obvious trained member of the audience.