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Martial Arts Topics / FMA, European weapons question from n00b
« on: January 11, 2006, 06:11:11 PM »
i do medieval armored combat and have friends who teach backsword, singlestick and la canne.

it's all good stuff, but i think the european stuff is a little more watered down due to it's not being used in actual combat/self defense as recently as FMA. it's in there, but a lot of it is being rediscovered and unfortunately you're getting the usual "this is how it was done...because i say so.." type of teachers.

Martial Arts Topics / Staff from around the world
« on: August 08, 2005, 06:28:40 PM »
download (200Mb) of the Mursi tribe:

The Mursi Tribe: The Day of the Donga

The Last Warriors

Much has changed in modern Ethiopia, but at least one thing remains the same: the Mursi are still among the fiercest warriors in Africa. This program, a study of life among the Mursi, features footage of a donga, a punishing yet graceful stick fighting competition through which young men display their bravery, establish their status, and perhaps even attract a young woman to marry. Mursi mysticism and faith healing are also considered, as well as customs such as the use of large ceramic lip disks by women as symbols of beauty and wealth. (54 minutes, color)


Social Studies

54 mins

Films for the Humanities & Sciences

blurb from another site, variation from another tribe:

"It's said to be one of the fiercest competitions on the entire African continent.  But here among Ethiopia's Surma tribe, the Donga Stick Fight takes place in the name of love.  I'm Jim Metzner, and this is the Pulse of the Planet, presented by DuPont.  When their harvest season is over, the Surma people observe a period of courtship, spending days by the river, fingerpainting designs on their bodies.  And according to photographer Angela Fisher, co-author of the book "African Ceremonies", the next stage of the Surma courtship tradition is not quite so peaceful.

"Once the bodies are painted and men and women have started courting one another, the other side of courtship starts.  Once a week, the Surma men from different villages come together, sometimes walking thirty miles on very small grass paths to meet one another to perform the most wild sport we have ever seen on the entire African continent.  The donga stick fight is fought with long, straight poles of about eight foot long made of very hard wood, and the Surma men perform these fights to prove their masculinity, to settle personal vendettas, but most importantly, to win wives."

This competition has only one rule:  you cannot kill your opponent.

"And at the end of the day, the winner of the day's fighting bouts is carried out of the arena on a wonderful platform of poles, and he's held high in the air, and he's carried towards a group of very beautiful young girls.  So as he arrives, the winner is taken by one of the girls."

Martial Arts Topics / Krabi Krabong in the Movies
« on: July 08, 2005, 04:12:50 AM »
i'll watch anything w/ battle elephants :).

enjoyed Suryothai. can't wait for Hannibal. even made the craptastic Alexander somewhat interesting.


just wondering if they were legit. they're having a tournament next year and it looked like fun. another one for the calendar.

Apache Warrior Arts: Ghostdog System

they also give eachother 'dog' names.


Martial Arts Topics / post-Gathering/thank you...
« on: June 27, 2005, 11:49:43 PM »
Miguel, you're most welcome. somewhere in that fight you got the heel of my off hand, so now i have a hand that is half pale and half purple. twice you had me "going down the dark tunnel" with the chokes. only way i saved myself was flagrant disregard for my lower jaw and the fact that we were both really sweaty/slippery.

and thanks to D.A. for showing me the error of style without power....ow...ow....ow....


Martial Arts Topics / post-Gathering/thank you...
« on: June 26, 2005, 05:59:04 PM »
well, that was my first Gathering and i had a blast. thanks to all for doing what you do.

i was the guy with the crewcut that got the nasty bleeder on the side of my head. probably could have done w/ a stitch or two, but i'm just going to make do with liquid bandage until i get home to NY.

might try planning on Nov., and bringing other fighters.

take care,

rob gage

Martial Arts Topics / New DVD: The Physical Body [Indian Wrestling]
« on: June 20, 2005, 04:22:16 PM »
i picked it up as well. excellent.

also grabbed the book "The Wrestler's Body". a comprehensive book on the physical/social/spiritual aspects of indian wrestling. not much in the way of technique, but everything else: workout, diet, mindset. worth checking out.

the diet was interesting, the staples of a wrestlers diet in India are almonds, whole milk and ghee (clarified butter). a close fourth was chana: sprouted chickpeas with salt, pepper and lemon.

first, not all doctors agree, but....

part of my pre-op work up was asking me whether or not i did 'contact sports'. apparently the scar tissue associated w/ Lasik has been found to rupture in cases of extreme head trauma. examples given to me were NFL players going helmet to helmet and motorcyle riders helmets hitting the pavement. i made the choice to have PRK instead.

see what your doc says. i know lots of people w/ Lasik who box, play rugby etc. w/o any problems.

either way, one of the best investments i ever made. currently 20/20:20/15. up from 20/400

Martial Arts Topics / Movies of interest
« on: May 04, 2005, 11:52:17 AM »
Milius had planned on using the wrestler 'Triple H'. they felt he could be made to look younger and older to fit different parts of the story.

Martial Arts Topics / Movies of interest
« on: May 02, 2005, 07:01:46 PM »
i get the same feeling watching the 'Riddick' character from "Pitch Black" : the morally neutral survivor.

and i watched Conan (again) the other night w/ buddy who's a powerlifter and he was commenting on all the actors and how they were the 'old school' bodybuilding elite, even excluding Arnold.

Martial Arts Topics / A forum 2,385 years ago
« on: April 29, 2005, 04:23:48 AM »
great find, makes me recall one of my favorites:

"Prowess without hazard has no honor among men."

- Pindar, Greek poet (518??c.438 BC)

Martial Arts Topics / Training Music
« on: April 26, 2005, 07:24:32 PM »
i remember seeing "The Blues Brothers" and hearing this (then unknown to me) guy sitting on a doorstep singing 'Boom, Boom, Boom' and getting chills.....been a fan ever since.

Martial Arts Topics / Training Music
« on: April 25, 2005, 11:26:21 PM »
thanks for the heads up on Kulintang. on the 'to buy' list. still looking for Muay Thai ring music.

for moving iron i like: Zeppelin, Sabbath, James Brown, John Lee Hooker

pre-sparring practice: Slipknot, Henry Rollins, Skindred

fighting: Indian, Balinese, African, Mickey Hart, Turku (bellydance music)

Martial Arts Topics / kalasag still taught?
« on: April 21, 2005, 09:40:00 AM »
FMA in this area is pretty limited. any know if there is anyone still teaching the Filipino shield?

Martial Arts Topics / how to choose a good rattan stick?
« on: April 19, 2005, 09:29:49 PM »
heh, i'll probably be ordering the Salty Dog sticks.

i use 36" and even when i can get to the rattan warehouse (2.5 hr. drive), find a dense stave, reasonably straight with no worm holes...i'm not likely to get two decent sticks out of that stave, then have to buy two, at $18/ea+$$$Gas$$$.. so to have someone hand pick me a good stick for about the same price is worth the money. imho.

and mail order? forget it. i tried H. H. Perkins. asked for 1 1/4". one end was 1 1/4", the other was 3/4". and the whole thing was wavy as a kris.

Martial Arts Topics / thrusts?
« on: April 19, 2005, 03:13:24 PM »
how effective have people found thrusts to be?

tried some against a fencing mask and the ones that don't slide feel like a mid power punch. suppose if you got a perfect side angle you could go for 'the button' with some hip behind it.

xyphoid/diaphragm area? take the wind out of them and follow up with a strike?

personally had some luck with 'stop thrust' to the lower belly.


Martial Arts Topics / how to choose a good rattan stick?
« on: April 19, 2005, 12:05:27 PM »
we spiral wrap above the grip w/ 'strapping tape'-fiberglass packing tape , then use strips of duct tape lengthwise. ok if you don't mind changing the balance and weight significantly.

Martial Arts Topics / What kind of dog are you?
« on: April 15, 2005, 07:35:47 AM »
Dutch Shepherd.

Martial Arts Topics / "Kali" player on trial for killing bouncer
« on: April 15, 2005, 07:29:18 AM »
yep. you're right. finally tracked down the penal code on knives. nothing about length/serrations.....

Martial Arts Topics / Attention East Coast
« on: April 14, 2005, 06:09:40 PM »
put me on the list for a stick event.

Martial Arts Topics / "Kali" player on trial for killing bouncer
« on: April 14, 2005, 06:04:43 PM »
for what it's worth, in NYC (the five boroughs), a knife over 4" is illegal, as are serrations. this is usually ignored on work sites.

he's going to get hit with legal phrases like "going forth armed" and "deadly intent". of course, the description of the knife is about as damning as if he were carrying an "assault rifle".

thankfully, i live upstate in the woods. belt knives are typically ignored everywhere except bars. but really big knives must be accompanied by a Leatherman. :)

Martial Arts Topics / new guy, intro...
« on: April 14, 2005, 08:58:18 AM »
and....of course.....i missed the FMA seminar in Feb. .......bah!

Martial Arts Topics / new guy, intro...
« on: April 14, 2005, 03:53:44 AM »
great. are those posted anywhere?

Martial Arts Topics / new guy, intro...
« on: April 13, 2005, 07:16:36 PM »
cool. if i remember my map correctly that would be a good halfway point b/t the two of us. had any get togethers down there?

Martial Arts Topics / how much is too much gear?
« on: April 12, 2005, 01:12:29 PM »

probably go w/ rollerblade knees elbows and the street hockey gloves (one step up from Mylec). having a little plastic on my knee is basically a 'mental block' after my ACL surgery. doesn't stop me fighting though.

luckily i have a mask or two laying around here from my days w/ schlaegers.

i respect the 'take off some padding' approach. the game i usually play we wear 12ga. steel helmets, and you always get into the 'arms race' where people feel they have to dent whatever you bring out. got to the point were there were a couple 1/8" plate helmets around because people got tired of pounding out dents. i wear bare minimum to advertise that i don't play that game. got a great photo gallery of some spectacular bruises :).

Martial Arts Topics / new guy, intro...
« on: April 12, 2005, 11:14:07 AM »
just outside Utica, in Whitesboro

Martial Arts Topics / how much is too much gear?
« on: April 11, 2005, 04:40:18 PM »
so, looks like i might be attending the Gathering in June.

one question that came to mind is about protective gear. how much is too much. i've seen pictures from different bouts and see the range from light pads and Mylec gloves to 'rigid' skateboard/rollerblade pads w/ hockey or lacrosse gloves. what's the usual? when does protection take away from the fight?


thanks for looking....

Martial Arts Topics / new guy, intro...
« on: April 09, 2005, 03:56:51 PM »
well, don't know if i'll ever have the opportunity to train with the DB's, but let me say thanks for 'doing what you do'.

i've done SCA stickfighting for the last 13 years, but my main focus is warrior culture in general, amatuer hoplologist? i hold a Master rank in the SCA, but i don't try to tell people that it's -real- fighting, just a dangerous contact sport.

i admire your commitment to realistic contact and 'combat comeraderie'. i'm 35 right now and i wish i'd found the DB's earlier. before SCA, my background is in judo and balintawak, with the occasional knife semiar thrown in.

your organization was mentioned on a medieval armor/combat forum recently. most poo-pooed the sample videos as 'sloppy' martial arts and 'dick swinging'. but a couple of us who knew what was up jumped in and let them know how wrong they were. my biggest comment was " take off the armor and see how brave you are. otherwise, you don't know what you're talking about.". ah well, lots of elitism in that group anyway.

keep it up, swing for the trees,


PS:  now that i've de-lurked, anyone in upstate NY, feel free to let me know if you need a sparring partner ('stick only' anyway....)

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