Dog Brothers Public Forum

Let's hope he gets convicted and gets the book thrown at him.

Guro Crafty,

I am not associated with the silat mubai people and do not speak for them.  I had looked at their stuff on the web because I am always looking to see what is out there.  If you go to their webpage now, you get a redirect that takes you to a new page with the following text, this is a direct cut and paste from www.mubai.cc  :

Notice to Members and Friends

Salam Alaikum / Peace Be Upon You

After much thought and deliberation, myself and the governing board of SMI have decided to terminate Silat Mubai International as an organization.

Over the past two years I mistakenly allowed myself to be dragged into political debate and with time SMI as an organization became politicized and dragged in aswell. This was a mistake. It is a mistake which has led to our Silat, Chivalry teachings, and students being backbenched while political rambling, slander, and arguing has taken the front seat.

I did not work the last 15 years of my life on this Silat to have it turned into an object of dejection and horror, rather the opposite was intended. So to keep to the original mission objectives of SMI which are to promote traditional Muslim Fighting Arts, Chivalry and Warrior Ethos, the decision has been made to destroy SMI and start fresh.

Silat Mubai as a system will remain intact but will receive a name change to Pencak Silat Sharaf. The last word "Sharaf" meaning honour in the Arabic language. This was chosen to respect those who came before us who left this great heritage for future generations to benefit from. The Silat Tarab which trained the core combatives of Silat Mubai will remain intact without change as a it was before, a quickly learned reality based self defense system.

Those persons who were enrolled in our Emir programs or any courses with us, your work will be forwarded on to the new system. The training curriculum will remain the same. We still teach one of the toughest and most functional systems of Silat on the planet. That will not change either.

For future correspondences please email us at admin@cogtactical.com and visit the new school site at www.cogtactical.com

Your hard work and dedication is much appreciated and respected.

Wasalam / Sincerely

Ustaz Hussein Udom

For civilians in this situation, there is really no easy answer.  You would have to what was in your heart.  I bet that this isn't the first time that this guy did something bad and the other cops probably know how he is, but he just hasn't done anything (until now) that he could be fired for.

I think you would still have to protect the innocent person.  If you hurt him, you might be in trouble until that video got out to the public, but then you would be OK.

I guess that what we are really getting at is choosing what is right over what is convenient.  We can all stand up and say we would protect her from a generic "attacker," but when the attacker becomes an off duty cop, we know that the situation just got a lot more complicated.  Being complicated doesn't remove the responsibility to defend a defenseless woman from very large man that is actively beating her.

There isn't an easy answer, but my sister works in a bar, and I know that if an off duty cop attacked her, I sure hope someone would come to her aid.

Even in places like Louisville, KY (where I am,) the trend of getting rid of the projects and moving these people out to the suburbs is common.  In the suburb of Louisville where I work, we have seen several apartment complexes go to Section 8.  We also have a large influx of Hispanics.  They are mostly peaceful, hard working people, but their gangs always come with them.  Everyone should be vigilant for their own personal safety, those of us wearing a badge have to be extra cautious.

I don't post much, mostly just read so I will let you know my background before I answer.  I am a police officer.  I am a trainer for my department in firearms, defensive tactics and taser.  I have a background in several martial arts, dating back to childhood, but I am fairly new to Filipino arts.

This question, to me, would come down to action versus reaction.  Basically, if they are of similar skill, the first one to make a move would probably win.  At this close a distance I would give the knife a slight edge (LOL) but a handgun is still a very effective weapon, even while grappling.  The average persons perception/reaction time is 1.5 seconds.  If you pair that down .5 second since the individual in this scenario would already be keyed up, that still gives the initiator a full second to close the 10 feet and attack or draw and fire.  That is a decent amount of time for a trained person to be able to do it.

The other factor is, do both people know they are in a deadly force encounter?  If both weapons are concealed, neither one may be aware of the fact that the other is ready for a deadly force encounter.  Most cuttings I have worked involve a victim who never saw the knife until after he was cut.  Usually the guy that shows off the knife is more of a bluffer, while someone who plans to cut will keep the knife hidden while they get as close as possible for the sneak attack.  A gunman, on the other hand, will usually present the weapon as a display of force whether he intends to use it or not.  I have never shot anyone, but I have pointed handguns at more people than I can count.  I was ready, but they chose not to be shot.  I have never cut anyone either.  I have been ready to do so, but the knife stayed in my pocket the whole time.

Just more food for thought.