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This is hard for me to write...  But it must be done.  Some good and some bad news. 

Good:  I checked into my new comand here in Lemoore, CA.  and will be assigned to the Physical Therapy section to work and learn more about PT.

BAD:  Due to being the new kid on the block and also due to my current finances, I regret to have to withdraw myself from the list of fighters. 

I will be there in spirit and wish you all the very best.  I have tried to think of ways to get there and make it happen, just running out of time and ideas. 


Im not going to put my neck out there again and get my hopes up, but I will make it happen one day.  November  
The move just took too much $$ out of us and I am in no position to push my luck at work right now.  Im getting reimbersed for some of the move expense but its gonna be a day late and a dollar short. 

Best of Luck to everyone...

"Survive the Day" a KajuPit moto

I have no doubt that Lynn is "up for the job".  In a real knife fight,
where strength and power are not as relevent as speed and
ability, Lynn might be able to take on all comers.  I don't know
the answer, each "solution" creates new problems, but to watch
people continue to kick their opponent when in a true knife fight they
wouldn't have a leg left, or they close and push and punch or actually
do a takedown after their arms, legs, neck etc. has been cut to ribbons
turns these fights into boxing/wrestling matches.  Unfortunately,
Lynn, or anyone slightly built is at a disadvantage at a Gathering,
yet in reality, the slightly built person has an advantage using the knife.
Perhaps in stick "grappling happens" although I wonder without a helmet
how many takedowns there would, but a knife is fatal - you don't charge
and take cut after cut and keep kicking and continue to close.  You're dead.

It is too bad good, subtle, deceptive and fast knife work cannot be rewarded.
Instead, the opponent after they are supposedly dead or disabled continues or initiates
physical harm through greater size or strength and is often is looked upon as the "winner". 
That is not reality.   Change the rules?
james

I agree with all of your points here JDN.  We've all seen and most study actual knife encounter clips (or should).  The fights that show repeated stabs  are often done by an attacker that has no clue about hitting the "V" spot (Vital insertion/slash).  I have gone back and forth with wooden knives, aluminum, hard/soft rubber training blades.  I always end up comming back to chalking the blades with two different colors and calling the fight after a quick engagement.  I like to assess the cuts and the one who has made the most vital or life threatening injury wins.  Sometimes I will let the fight continue on if there are no serious stabs or slashes (taking into consideration length of blade, size of player, location of injury)  Its good to have someone with a good sense of anatomy or medical training on hand that can do the assessment with a sense of what the real deal would have done. 

I have seen some nasty wounds and some minor incidents that caused serious long term damage.  (ie.  I have seen cuts to the tendons on the back of hand from breaking a window with a rifle that ended up causing the loss of gripping function in the hand for a long time.  I have seen men shot that just wanted to keep engaged in the fight. *situational)

If the fight continues after a non-life threatening injury, then I will add some restrictions that come into play.  Ie EBL (estimated blood loss), level of shock, airway compromise /SCW, loss of function in a limb, etc.)  These things need to be considered in keeping the play as real as possible.  I have grown to like the training blades that tend to get caught up on clothing (stick or catch), this causes the players to learn to keep a firm grip of the blade so they dont drop it when it hangs up on a jacket or pant leg, etc.

Anyway - gotta go - on the move again....

 

...my wife wants to shove my sticks down my throat so i stop talking to her about it also.

Get her a pair of sticks.  I bought my wife a set a long time ago...  She doesnt work out like I do, but she gets the feel of not being left out.  On occasion she has been know to come swinging...      Imagine a violent, angry woman with two sticks attacking you with no mercy and very unpredictable.  Part of my early motivation was learning how to defend EH vs Rolling Pin.    LOL

PS. I bought the sticks from this site around 1999-2000 - the old bundle of Ugly Sticks - she's still got em to this day.

This was long before I got a lap top and now I cant stay off the sites. 

One last thought, "Dog Brothers", the new gateway drug for like minded Warriors with a thirst for blood.   

Dean

Gruhn,

Durattan Q:  Do you stick get the sweet smell of burning rattan from these...  Call me strange but man that smell brings back some fond memories.

Dean

Yeah  ,  the poll now shows that I am no longer the only first time Gathering fighter!  Im not alone...   
I can stop howling at the moon now. 

I dont recall seeing this one listed.  Give it a a few seconds and then it picks up...  Worth the wait.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjYiGDdTmDY[/youtube]

Razors to shave hair away from cuts would be a nice addition.   

Gruhn

Got em - just forgot to list em...  Trauma shears, tweezers, scalpul, all the usual tools, eye patches, eye drops, anti-fungal creme, bacitracen, H.E.E.N.T. kit, dental lidocain, rubber malet & medical tape too.

See, now you got me thinking.  Im not trying to come across sarcastic, Im just pretty obsessive compulsive or "anal" (as my brotheren say) when it comes to being prepared.  Yep, all in one bag...  I might bring a couple other bags just in case.   

It's realy not recomended to shave the area anymore...  Just trim the hair down close to the skin.  Shaving increases risk of infections (ie ingrown hairs during the healing stages) 

Good eye...  Thanks for catching that.

My top student posted a quote on my forum that I feel is appropriate to insert here...  Not sure who said it first but I heard it from him.

"I can live with loosing a good fight, but I can not live without fighting it."

Looking forward to seeing you all soon    and thank you for sharing...

V/R,
Dean

PS
Im bringing my med bag, feel free to use the contents on me if/when I am in need...

As this will be my first DB's gathering and I plan on fighting, I am curious about the amount of experienced fighters that will be participating.  I know that this poll does not give one a true idea of a fighters background or experience.  However, I am curious about how many "Gathering of the pack" first timers plan on fighting.

V/R,
Dean

Crafty,

Thank you whole heartedly for creating this thread...  I am a great believer in that, if we have the ability to cause injury, as "True Warriors" we should have some knowledge of how to heal.  We train, in hope that we can prolong our lives and the lives of our loved ones, through hands on or the use of projectiles to defend them.  The way I look at it...  Injuries and illness are just another form of attack from an outside source.

This thread (as I am suspect, you intended) gave me an itch to scratch.  I look forward to, and hope, others inject there input.  I am passionate about healing, but I am (IMHO) still a novice.  Lets share... 

I look forward to meeting you and the rest of the pack in June.     There is no greater bond than that built by combat...
V/R,
Dean

PS,

I do work with DR's every day and will soon be relocating to Naval Air Station Hospitol in Lemoore, CA.  As stated before, if I dont have an answer to a question...  I will take advantage of my many resources and we will find the knowledge together. 

   

Tourniquet:  By definition should completely stop the flow of blood from an artery. 

I have seen many a "Tourniquet" that in the wrong hands fails to do just that...  In addition not everyone knows how to be sure that the blood flow has been stopped. 

Lets be practical here...  (A quick story)  In the not so distant past all the best combat "medics" were pooled together during an evolution that focused on the design of a new and improved, no ship, "TOURNIQUET" that was marketable and functionable.  So, several groups went off that night to brainstorm and come up with this new and improved tourniquet that must meet the definition "STOP THE BLEEDING" once in place.  All varieties of medics were present, from all branches of the military and special forces...  Long story short,  most spent all night comming up with various ideas...  But, then there was the "Navy SEAL Corpsman".  "DOC" and his team left the meeting, went straight over the one of the trucks, took one of the rachet tie downs and modified it to an appropriate length, then with the mission accomplished went straight to the nearest bar. 

Point being...  Keep it simple and take care of business!

Many of us have tie downs already.  If not, you can go out to "Wally World" and buy a pack of 5-10 for a minimal fee, compared to the life you may save by using it in time of need. 

Here are some things about "T's" you need to remember;

1)  The strap should be no less than a prefered 2 inches wide.  (This will help to avoid possible nerve damage)
2)  Place the "T"  2 inches (two fingers) above the wound site (between the heart and the wound).
3)  Never place the "T" over a joint.
4)  No matter whether applying an ACE bandage, Pressure dressing or Tourniquet...  Always, check "PMS" (Pulse, Motor skills - ie. can you wiggle your fingers/toes and Sensation - ie "can you tell me what finger/toe I am touching?") distal to the wound site. 



The biggest argument I hear, when I get a student fresh out of EMT school is, "Tourniquets, are only used as a LAST RESORT!"
I wont tell you what to do here...  Like most things, "Situation" will dictate.   But ponder this...  Crafty, you will appreciate this point.

Millions of people undergo surgery every day...  Sugeons control the excess bleeding by use of several methods...  One of the most traditional, was to apply a touriquet on the limb, above the site to be worked on.  Truth is, in many cases a Tourniquet can stay in place for 4-6 hrs before permanent damage to that limb is certain.  Plus, you can always loosen it just a bit to allow some blood flow to the extremity every 2-3 hrs.  The most import thing is making the "Life over Limb" decision. 

Note the time that the "T" was applied - and pass that knowledge onto the DR as soon as possible. 

Research this and make your own assesments...   
Q:  How long can you hold your breath or go without breathing?

Q:  How long does it take to bleed out from a major arterial bleed?

We all hear about the good old ABC's of first aid.  (Good stuff)  One I like to share for Combat Life Saving scenarios is, "Stop the bleeding, restrore the breathing"...  It shouldn't take you but 30 seconds at the most to apply a "T" with practice and remember you can always loosen it.  Just dont take it off.  Let a trained DR do that. 

Make your own situational call...   But, if it's me...  I would rather take the few seconds to slap on a "T" before starting rescue breathing.  If you have help - share the duties...  Dont get tunnel vision...

But hey???...  Dont take my word for it...  I am not a doctor.  I advise you to do your own research... 
I am just sharing some of the nuggets that I have been taught by DR's and key things that I KNOW from first hand experience WORK!

 

I can think of many a knife technique that includes cutting arteries....  and I have yet to meet a person that NEVER gets cuts.  Put the odds of survival in your favor.

More to come later... 

 

Woof All:


A tip learned in the military a few years back to help stop serious bleeding:

Feminine napkins and tampons, which are super absorbent, are great for helping to control bleeding wounds. Tampons fit bullet wounds (some better than others) pretty well and swell to help stop bleeding. Pads are pretty much, if not exactly the same thing as battle bandages.

I have heard this before.  However, this post could be missleading.  Without the aid of, either "Constant Direct Pressure" or proper application of a "Tourniquet", the bleeding has not been stopped.  Pardon my twisted explanation here...  Think of how much a female can bleed without dying, each month.  Tampons and pads dont stop the bleeding, they just hide the mess.     )

When wounded in battle it's a different situation.  Point being (back on track now), a tampon or pad can "absorb" a lot of blood.  THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU HAVE STOPPED SERIOUS BLEEDING!  All you have done is fool yourself into believing that the bleeding has stopped.  Be carefull with this one...

Sucking wounds can also sometimes be helped by the plastic wrapper of a cigarette pack or a latex glove. Even a pat down glove or anything you can fit over the sucking wound to stop it from sucking.

Not a bad tip...  I would like to expand on this a bit.   
The most frequently missed step, when someone deals with a "Sucking Chest Wound", is looking for the exit wound.  You may find one, you may not...  But, you had better look for it.  If you find an exit wound, and it is above the abdomin but below the clavical, treat it the same. 

An occlusive dressing (air tight seal) is not only used for the "Sucking Chest Wound" but also for severe to moderate bleeding on the neck area. 
The main difference between the Chest and Neck wound.  The occlusive dressing on the chest needs to be taped on only three sides.  This allows air to escape from the chest, relieving pressure and allowing the lungs to expand.   Put the wounded person in a position of comfort once treated. 

A simple technique to learn, in order to help the wounded person breath, is called a "Needle Thoracentisis".  To learn more see the attached link below.

http://www.fpnotebook.com/ER99.htm

Thats my .2 C's -

"Devil Doc"

"Absorb what is useful, disregard that which is useless"

I believe the above quote needs to be pondered deaply....? ?(IMHO) This is a great ideal to have, but be cautious at what level you choose to discard knowlegde you have obtained.? At what level do we feel we are ready to make such decisions?? (Maybe we are just doing it wrong).? Throughout my journey I have often been shown a (T3) "Tool, Tactic or Technique", that seemed useless during my early years.? However, much later I find myself educated with a better understanding of the core or root of the T3.? Patience and keeping an open mind while progresively maturing within the style.? "Never forget your roots".? Respect what has been proven in combat and never rely on "In Theory" knowledge.? Much can be lost in translation and as Crafty has often pointed out, there is much that is held close to heart (By the "Grandfathers") - until one is found worthy of such treasures.?

My humble opinion...? Stay Progressive and Never Forget Your Roots!

V/R? ?

Woof All,
September 23rd, 2006
  1st Annual River City Rumble Full Contact Stick Fighting Tournament

http://www.docepares.net/rumble.pdf

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Respectfully,
Dean

With Respect,

Why not go until submission or until the other guy quits.  A partner could throw in the towel or have a safe word to say when he/she has had enough.  Just a question.

Respectfully,
Dean

Just wanted to share...  Training is going well here in NC, USMC Base Camp Lejeune, Harper Kajukenbo.  In our time of preparing for the realities of combat we have been pushing our training harder all the time.  I think we are almost there.  During stickfights among our Ohana here last weekend many left with bruises and a higher consciousness for the realities of mortal combat.  One left with a broken arm that is now in a full arm cast.  Injuries will recover before next deployment.  I can't remember who said it first,
"The More We Sweat (Hurt & Bleed   ) In Training, The Less We Bleed (or Die ) In Combat!"

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Mahalo,
DW

Highly recommended reading...  I have the book, read it and use the knowledge as a Devil Doc.  I have known GM Black since the late 80's and I have enjoyed his company.  He is truely a master...