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Martial Arts Topics / Count Dante?
« on: November 11, 2005, 08:05:05 AM »
Count Dante (John Keehan)...whew, where to begin, definately one of the more colorful characters in modern martial arts history.

I would start here:

The man did dojo storming, tried to blow up other schools, and one of his students died at spear point following a dojo fight gone very wrong.

Martial Arts Topics / November Gathering! - Possible Matches
« on: November 08, 2005, 02:34:17 PM »
Well there are a lot of cons about them, reach, size, etc. On the other hand they are brutal in close, and if you have seen my fight at a gathering I like to get in close.

I am sure someone will want to do it. To be honest I am pretty nervous to go against a stick when I have absolutely no protection other than the mai sok.

Martial Arts Topics / November Gathering! - Possible Matches
« on: November 07, 2005, 03:58:11 PM »
I am looking for someone who is interested in going against me if I am using Mai Sok...

Any takers? I have about ten matches under my belt and have always gone single stick, I am looking for something different this time round.


Martial Arts Topics / - Guro Ray Floro Seminar -
« on: June 14, 2005, 03:46:16 PM »

 Ray Floro will be returning to the United States this coming July and
 will be giving one and only one public seminar on the west coast.

To go to any other of his seminars you have to be at Sama-Sama with Sayoc, in New York, or the Special Forces at Ft. Bragg

 This seminar in Southern California will be that seminar.

 When: 16th and 17th of July
 Where: Los Angeles
 Cost: $150 for two (2) days training

 If you were there for the last seminar you know how incredible it was
 and how much Ray showed. You also know how popular it was so I am
 giving all of you the chance to get your reservations in.

 If you are going to attend email me at this email address and I will
 reserve a space for you. There are only 25 spots available.


Ray Floro is the founder of Floro Fighting Systems. He is a direct student of FMA legend Tatang Ilustrisimo, as well as a IKA-APAT BAITANG (3rd Degree) Instructor under the late Punong Guro Edgar Sulite. Ray has taken his extensive FMA training and western fencing to develop a unique and an extremely efficient style of stick and knife fighting.

He is considered by many to be the worlds foremost expert on Pakal, or reverse grip style knife fighting and must be seen to be believed.

 I look forward to seeing each of you there!

 Marc Scott

Martial Arts Topics / Historical Escrima Footage Online
« on: August 04, 2004, 11:24:41 PM »
I think it's important we keep the memory of the old Masters alive, and video is an excellent way to do so.

Ray Floro has about six hours of tape of himself with GM Ilustrisimo, as well as vids of himself and PG Sulite as young men training together. Though people know of Ray primarily as an Ilustrisimo Eskrimador he is also an Antas Tatlo / 3rd Degree under PG Sulite.

I have added a video of Tatang and Tony Diego training as well.


Martial Arts Topics / Historical Escrima Footage Online
« on: August 04, 2004, 09:48:44 AM »
For those of you interested we have decided to post closed door training footage from the mid eighties of Antonio 'Tatang' Ilustrisimo and Master Tony Diego. For a long time this video was rumored to exist but no one had actually seen it.

There are only two clips totalling about ten minutes online now but we will be bringing more online as time and server space allows. We have literally hours of tape of training from Luneta park in Manila, and in Tatang's living room.

Please take a moment to check them out. articles and video section



Martial Arts Topics / Knife Fights at the DB Gathering
« on: June 23, 2004, 05:15:35 PM »
I think viewing each encounter as abunch of shorter knife encounters is more realitistic.

We cannot judge what is or is not a kill shot.

Since the gathering is not a sport but an entirely different animal I suggest we donh't use sport rules such as points, judges or referees.

It is up to us to look at the encounters we are in and judge ourselves. Yes some people will be delusional and walk away dismissing every hit they took, but that it par for the course.

I look forward to seeing everyone there.

Marc Scott
Floro Fighting Systems/KI

Martial Arts Topics / Ray Floro- FFS/Kalis Ilustrisimo Seminar Review
« on: March 24, 2004, 07:04:38 AM »
Before I begin let me say I am a students of Ray's so I will try to be as unbiased as possible, though it may prove hard.

This is the second time I have had a seminar with ray and the first time I hosted a seminar so nerves were at an all time high. There were a lot of obstacles before the seminar not the least of which was the fact that Ray was in the hospital with severe food poisoning less than five hours before the seminar started, now on to the good stuff...

Ray held a two day seminar at a local gym in Bellflower (thanks to Jerry at Centerline Gym, if you haven't seen Jerry's unarmed gainst blade tape Redzone do so now). The first day covered Ray's unique way of fighting with the knife. Ray comes from a fencing background and it clearly showed as he demonstarted grips, footwork and principles which all took advantage of fencing's principles along with those of Ilustrisimo. Those of you who have seen Ray have experienced the CANNON, Ray's explosive entries which leave you scratching you head and wondering just how you got hit so damn hard, well Ray took the time to break it down so that most of the participants had a pretty good cannon going early on. This explosive entry is the hallmark of Ray's style in my mind, it is also tactically a mich better idea than getting invovled in a draw out give and take with a knife. Ray also worked on the reverse grip which is the way he holds the knife and espouses as a grip, while some were doubtful as to reach of this method he quickly showed just how little reach you lose and how much advantage the grip gives you. What was truly amazing was just how much people were able to integrate Ray's material immediately.

The second day of the seminar dealt with blunt weapon against blade, Ray demonstrated the two handed approach as well as the snooker game with sticks which knocked the opponents heads back like pez dispensers. Ray also felt good enough enough to spar, what was truly amazing was not just how he sparred bu how he called out what he was going to just before he did it, truly oustanding. We also worked on flexible weapons against blade, these techniques are a paired down version of sarong techniques that in my opinion at least are a more realistic way to train.

I had given up on FMA for a long time until I met Ray and he renewed my faith. He is without a doubt the most open and innovative instructor I have met and trained with.

Special thanks to Ray for his training and for sharing with us, also especially for bringing 20  year old video of Tatang Ilustrisimo training others in Luneta Parc in Manilla, great to see. And thanks to TG for sharing his thoughts on law enforcement training and the proper role of knife work in tactics, also to Mike W. for all his help during the seminar and years of trainig.

Of course words will never do when describing Ray's style so if he is in your area take a seminar.

Martial Arts Topics / Kalis Illustrisimo in Dog Bros. Matches
« on: March 14, 2004, 01:57:43 PM »
Thanks for the kind words.

KI has been such a strong fixture in many of the Filipino arts that as Crafty Dog said you can see it reflected in other systems such as Lameco. I am not sure if any "pure" KI people have competed since really there isn't much in the way of "pure" KI unless you are talking about GM Tony Diego, or Master Romy;s students. As for me I consider myself Ilustrisimo/Floro since I have only studied under Master Ray Floro.

Martial Arts Topics / November 2003 Gathering Observations
« on: December 02, 2003, 05:29:04 AM »

The 3-on-1 went pretty well, I was suprised how well you manged to use space and movement to keep going, I know I found it really hard to keep up with you and kept running into other people.

As for the takedown, excuse the pun, ...every dog has his day    :wink:
And I have to always give credit where credit is due, that was a throw from Sambo/Judo.

Martial Arts Topics / Gathering Of The Pack Photos
« on: November 25, 2003, 08:37:45 PM »

Yeah the 3-on-1 was kinda like shooting fish in a barrel. though I was suprised when you threw the knife at me  :shock:


Martial Arts Topics / Gathering Of The Pack Photos
« on: November 25, 2003, 02:00:39 PM »
Great pics!



Martial Arts Topics / Kalis Ilustrisimo training in Los Angeles
« on: September 27, 2003, 10:23:23 AM »
Quote from: Hakoko
Mr. Scott,

How long have you been training in Kalis Ilustrisimo? I am curious about this system and would love to check it out. Have you been in LA for awhile? Thanks.

Please, no need to call me Mr. Scott.

I have been training weapons and FMA off and on since 1990, but is has only been recently that I was authorized to teach K.I.

I would say that all my years of training became part of my own Kalis Ilustrisimo experience. For me that is the beauty of the system, people quickly learn how to take skills they already have and streamline them according the K.I. principles.

It's like our footwork, want to walk forward...okay walk forward, want to walk back, okay walk backwards, we don't stick to any prescribed footwork, we just walk.

I have been in L.A. for just shy of three years.

As well as my Kalis certification I am authorized to teach muay Thai(Kietbusaba), I competed professionally in Thailand, sport and combat Sambo, as well as other styles, all of which actually lend themselves quite well to our K.I. training.

If you have anymore questions please post, or you can always email me at

Martial Arts Topics / Kalis Ilustrisimo training in Los Angeles
« on: September 25, 2003, 09:05:32 PM »
Moderators, if this is not the proper place for this please feel free to delete

Now Available in Los Angeles/Southern California


Kalis Ilustrisimo, the Filipino weapon art developed by Antonio
"Tatang" Ilustrisimo, is now being taught in the Los Angleles area.
Classes are lead by Marc Scott, certified instructor under Raymond
Floro (a direct Students of Ilustrisimo himself).

These classes are all blade based, based on the idea that one is more
likely to encouter, or carry an edged weapon versus a sword or stick.
That being so all knife skills can easily be transferred to a variety
of weapons, including impact and larger edged weapons.

Kalis Ilustrisimo has been characterized as "... very deadly, direct
and immediate. Unique in the simple, direct and cunning way it is
done, it is one of the very few styles that is still based on the
blade. Its movements are compact and accurate, characterised by
typically small, simple and direct movements without any gaps between
attack and defence."

Kalis Ilustrisimo is widely regarded as one of the most effective
blade systems in the world today.

Stressing simplicity and compact combat, the techniques taught can be
applied as easily in doorway, as in an open room.

Technique is never taught in isolation and students learn to spar what
they are taught almost immediately.

If you want to learn complicated stick patterns, and two man drills
this is not the training for you, if you do want to learn a highly
effective knife system with an increadibly fast learning curve this is
the system for you.


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