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You cannot direct the customer where to sign.  Let them find it by reading the contract on there own.

kd: tHIS IS A VERY NICE AND HANDY piece of information. Thanks for the liability instruction.

Grateful that oldest sonfinished rehab andl "wants" to be in a long term program. First time I've seen him "want" to get help... for those who have been around  such unpleasantries as drug addiction, "wanting" help is where it starts.His jury is WAY still out but it's a start.

CD: Your point is well taken that, in a very true way, animals (most? all?) only agress for food...  or offensively they may kill to protect their young, but one thing they don't do is kill because they are pissed off at something unrelated or because they "get off" on it or have some pollitcal agenda. There is nothing evil about a lion killing an antelope. And this also ties into the concept that, in our current world, humans have been cut off from the "environment...one in which he evolved"... as, BTW, I personally have just been touching upon via DBMA fighting. At least in my life those experiences (my first few fights) have allowed me to touch upon the PROFOUND implications which extend WAY FAR beyond the "fight". CG, just FYI as you gather data and knowledge... I have personally experienced very unexpected creative and intellectual stimulation just from the very tiny limited exposure I have had to date which directly coorelate to DBMA activity. (hmmm... not well articulated but I'm hoping you get the drift). I have a nice "reading list" while recovering from this frustrating broke thumb... I just started "The Violence Within" by Paul Tournier whcih certainly relates to these considerations... I'll add "Men in Groups" to the list.

CD: I see something like this and I gotta say that I view it as something just so complex and something so... do i use the simple word . What took the shooters life to the point of this kind of desperation, was he mentally ill (like as in schizophrenic), was he an arrogant drug dealer, was he abused by the "system", what went wrong in his (our) world that produced a man who must have felt he had no choice but to murder like this. I'm not being a "bleeding heart" here.. but, doesn't it just bother you sometimes that the human race often acts not much above it's animal counterparts. And as violent as our past has been doesn't it seem like somehow we should/could become less so instead of becoming more so. I guess I'm in a "heady" mood at the moment.

We talked about alot of this type of stuff in alot of my university classes and most ridiculous stuff like this gets thrown out.
Yes on one hand no one should be able to "sign away" your rights.... but on the other hand, common sense says this lawsuit is fucking retarded.
Usually common sense wins out in these types of cases. Usually.

I REALLY differ with your thoughts that "most ridiculous stuff like this gets thrown out." and that "Usually common sense wins....". What happen "most" of the time here in the U.S. is that is does NOT get thrown out but it DOES get "settled".  Liability insurance companies are more than willing to "settle" rather than litigate.... it's cheaper and attorneys know that. It is an embarassment to the "legit" legal professionals that are honorable. This stuff is the bane of small bsuiness existence. Two personal examples.... a former employee who knew his time was "at an end" at the end of the day, first thing in the morning had some "boxes" fall on him in our warehouse, he went to the emergency room and had no injuries, no brusies or contusions, they didn't even prescribe him any ibuprophen. He then found a lawyer and sued my company for not being able to work and a big list of things including "loss of consortium: (he claimed his love making and relationship with his wife was harmed by this accident)... sued for many hundres of thousands of dollars and, unbelievably, was AWARDED $26K in an arbitration by a threesome of other attorneys... we could have litigated but it would have cost us at least $50K. BTW, after that experience I decided to NEVER "settle" any frivilous legal action like that ever again. Another example, this is great, my in laws ran a number of nursery schools a few years back. One had a playground with those wooden swing sets. A girls gets a splinter... nothing too deep...no stitches etc. The Kid's parents find a contingency lawyer to file an action and my in-law's insurance company pays $25K to settle the matter and drop the action... insurance company felt they got off cheap I have to assume.

This "stuff" does NOT get thrown out.... it should be.... but it doesn't.

=h

Sig: I think I may have some experience in some of the areas of concern that you have expressed so I will limit my responses to just those areas. Gentlemen, I defer to any of you more experienced in these areas to critique/correct/adjust my ideas.,,

....and appreciate the fact that they were willing to test it in the most realistic ways possible, without excessive risk to the practitioner.

You'll see it time and time again around here...stick fighting is dangerous. I don't know what you consider "excessive" risk to be. And, while I'm certain that it is not a common occurance, I broke my thumb at the last gathering ( it is also not uncommon). Now, I have absolutely no problem with that. I found my fights to be EXTREMELY fulfilling, gratifying and.... I could go on and on. But they are definitely not "safe". And, for me, I don't want them to be. I need the threat anad danger to actually learn. My experience was life-altering... 'nuf said.

I am TERRIBLY out of shape. I am soon to be 39 years old, 6' 1" tall, 325 lbs., and an insulin-dependant diabetic. I am very serious about becoming as healthy as is possible, and am willing to do what it takes to do this, but I do have to deal with these realities; it will be a slow process for me. <SNIP> When I have attended classes <snip> ... the cardio portion of the classes has been very intimidating...<snip> I swear I would have literally died during the first 15 minutes of the class had I been a participant.

I am a 56 year old guy, who had a few months of KB and JJ (a couple of years ago) and a 3-day seminar in stickfighting (a couple of months ago) and who had my first two fights at the the most recent "Gathering" (a few weeks ago). The only physical experience I had was that I have lifted weights for 25+ years. I started at 277# and got to 252# at the Gathering on  my way to 240# (or less depending on how I feel about the weight).  The KB and JJ classes that I took a few years ago I just couldn't "take" because, like you, I barely made it through the warm up (and besides that I wanted to have contact fighting and I was a bit impatient). But the goal here is to "warm up" and not compete with others in your group. So, for instance, at the training camp I went to I was FULLY warmed up when most if not all the young bucks were just breaking a sweat. I stopped. I was hot, blood was flowing and I would be foolish to sap all my energy for the actual training. Now that I'm seeking a local MMA gym to further train, I can tell you that if my trainiers don't get the difference in "my needs" and the needs of a well trained, half-my-age college-aged guy then they will not be MY trainers. Others who train with you will respect you for the guts you display being 325# and if they don't then THEY are the ones with a problem. You do NOT need 15 minutes of sprinting... and, yes, I could imagine it would kill you. Look  SIG, any 325# man who gets himself to train has balls... he has BALLS... and anyone who doesn't recognize and appreciate and honor you for having the balls to do that is inexperienced and uninformed at  best. (IMPORTANT NOTE: My opinions ASSUME that you have direct...DIRECT, FULLY DISCLOSED, F-U-L-L-Y disclosed accountability to a qualified medical pro.) [other board members PLEASE chime in here]

I am not diabetic (but am/was borderline) and have made MAJOR changes over the past year to  move from that point (low glycemic index diet and a physician-monitored regime of supplements and medications that HAVE MADE A MAJOR difference for me. Add to that the passion that I have been experiencing for stickfighting, KB and JJ and the cardio just is taking care of itself. I assume that you are under a doctor's care for your diabetes... if I'm wrong then stop here and go get an experienced doc.... you might want to look for a sports medicine doc as they may have some additional insights. I can't talk to the other sections of you post because any more is outside my experience.

Gentlemen, please feel free to augment or offer correction to anything I have just written.

-Howie

 

Gathering attendees:
I'm working on a modest art project/experiment and need any images you have of x-rays (really need these) and/ or close up pictures illustrating injuries received at the Sept 20th gathering. I could use a number of images because I want to develop a collage. If you have anything that I can use I would appreciate it (personally identifiable parts of any images will be edited out). Please email images or give me links to them of you have uploaded them already. Feel free to reply to this post with links, or PM to me. Alternately you can email images directly to me at hmandel{att}learningByGrace[d][ot] oh are gee (email address is reformatted to limit access to discussion board bots).Thanks for your assistance. (note: this is for a personal project, not commercial in any way and with full respect to and compliance with DBMA, Inc. proprietary rights. CD- if you see any conflict please let me know and I'll defer to your preferences)

I don't even know how to respond to that kind of bravery.  An example to follow.

I may have missed it but I could find anything in a search so ...

I got some hockey gloves... they are padded on the top and the palm and finger areas a like a regular fabric glove. They have wrist support. How can I determine if they are OK to use at a gathering?

Yo (which is "woof" in phillyese). My plans are to fly from Philly to the gathering on either Fri the 18th or Sat the 19th. There are probably some others flying out from the Eastern US and thought that we may be able to coordinate all or part of the flights to hang out on the way. I mean I could imagine a few of us even being on the same flights and not even knowing it. So I dunno how to even start this but if anyone flying wants to send me a direct message of their flight plans I can see what I get and then try to get people hooked up either on the same flights or even meeting during some lay overs. I personally haven't booked my flight yet but have to do so within a couple of days anyways. So, if you are flying out send me your itinerary and I'll try to figure out if there are common flights among us and communicate that among travelers. I'll also post this on the "Members" board.

Also.... any "suggested" hotel accommodations? Places where a bunch of people may be staying?

-Howie from Philly

I happened to be the on the set of the M.Night Shyamalan "The Last Airbender" that is filming now for a 2010 release during shooting one of the main battle scenes. I had never seen anything like this before... at least 150+ trained guys doing these incredibly choreographed fights... same thing, over and over and over again so they could get different angles. What's amazing is that there were hardly any injuries. (Amid weapons and stunt guys being flown into the air with cables.) The parts I saw took weeks of longggggg days and, I swear, it couldn't have represented more than 2-4 minutes in the movie. The skill level was amazing. The guys who choreograph this stuff are really amazingly skilled... I just learned a great appreciation for the art of movie making (staging fight sequences). BTW, the set was in an old airplane hanger at the Philadelphia Navy Yard... the biggest soundstage in the world according to Paramount... the set itself (the water tribe compound) was like 4 stories high and a football field long.