the gatherings are about much more than ''winning'' or ''losing''. this is why no one-NO ONE gets recognition with 1st place, 2nd place,etc. and fight records are not kept (maybe personally they are, but you won't hear next up is so and so who's 64 wins with only 2 losses). if you've come to the gathering -in my opinion- to come and claim your gold medal you've come for the wrong reason.