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an estimate of anchor babies byt the numbers
« Reply #1550 on: June 07, 2019, 04:56:48 AM »
In 16 states and DC more born in US then from legal residents:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/06/06/average-124k-anchor-babies-born-us-this-year-so-f

great for the Democrat Party - not for America . 


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Many health care workers already from some where else
« Reply #1552 on: June 09, 2019, 09:22:19 AM »
Doug ,

Here in NJ

 if one goes into any nursing home (around me at least), most of the aids already are born somewhere else.

They are mostly  Caribbeans Africans and foreign Latinos and some former USSR communist block countries like Poland or Ukraine.
They are already paid minimum wage and the nursing homes already seem to recruit them.
 The Filipinos are more the nurses and some doctors.
The Indians/Pakistanis/middle Easterners mostly the doctors and a few nurses .


I don't know if they are here on some sort of visa or at least some must be illegal  - I really don't know.
And I don't want to be slapped with a lawsuit so I wouldn't even dream of asking

As for paying them $500 dollars a month that is Dubai.
Here it would only work if you live on spaghetti and out of your car or flop on someone's floor for a few bucks.


Just found this :

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/foreign-born-health-care-workers-united-states
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Immigration issues, Did Trump win with Mexico?
« Reply #1553 on: June 10, 2019, 06:50:00 AM »
He threatened a 5% and escalating tariff (that would have paid for the wall).  Tariffs are tricky.  He threatened Mexico but American consumers would pay the tax.  How would new tariffs step on recent news of a new free trade agreement with Mexico?  We won't know as they came to agreement over the weekend.  What level of cooperation should we expect from a new Mexican President who is most likely not concerned with US/American interests?  Mexico made some promises and some of it I don't think we know yet.  Will border crossing slow because of this?  Immediately or when?  Does this substitute for dealing with the real, internal problems of getting Democrats to deal with immigration rules here?  Was it Trump who was afraid of implementing new tariffs?

Why shouldn't Mexico cooperate with us on the Honduran, Guatemalan part of the problem?  Gangs controlling their northern (and southern) border is not good for them either.
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Hugh Hewitt, Washington Post: Trump emerges victorious in Mexican tariff standoff

Because President Donald Trump emerges as a clear winner from his weeklong confrontation with Mexico over our neighbor’s lax enforcement of its southern border, reflexive Trump critics will scramble to find some way of containing what is a clear Trump triumph, which came with assists by Vice President Mike Pence and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who conducted the key negotiations.

Already we have heard about long-term damage to trust between the North American allies, about investor nervousness and Trump’s unpredictability. This sort of flailing-about to deny the obvious says nothing about Trump and much about those critics who can no more admit he played high-stakes poker and won a round on border security than they can admit that the president delivered a magnificent tribute to the heroes of Normandy on this past Thursday.

Much of the media has overheated now and, like an engine that has run too long without an oil change, has begun to seize up, stall, even melt. That Trump has contributed to the slow wreck of American media is undeniable. It’s a feature, not a bug, of his presidency to attack, attack, attack the media elites. And no matter how often center-right journalists counsel him to abandon the Stalinist “enemy of the people” rhetoric, he hasn’t because it triggers a flaming hatred among the ideologies of the left, with platforms and elites eager to signal each other that they are part of the tribe menaced by this Godzilla from Trump Tower.

Voters, though — not just the “Twitter Democrats” but voters of all ages and ideologies — are a pretty smart bunch. Assume for a moment that they know, generally, that tariffs are a lousy idea in terms of economic growth. Assume as well that they know that tariffs can be an instrument of national power in confrontations unrelated to economic growth.

Assume that voters know our competition with China is far more than an economic race but rather a complex geopolitical rivalry that both sides wish to keep contained short of open conflict and that is waged through proxies, cyber-confrontations, intellectual-property battles, freedom-of-the-seas disputes and the relative size and power of our armed forces and those of our allies. In that context, tariffs on Chinese goods are just part of an overall negotiation toward a new normal that is in everyone’s interest. So “tariffs bad, free trade good” is simplistic. “Free trade is good and agreed-upon international conventions are required for genuinely free trade and tariffs may be necessary to achieve those conventions” is accurate. And widely understood.

“Alliances are good” is also simplistic. “Alliances in which allies actually do what they promise with regard to percentage of GDP spent on national defense while not increasing dependence on Russian natural gas” is complex but accurate.

Hard as it is for the Manhattan-Beltway echo chamber to believe, sounding sophisticated isn’t actually being sophisticated. Trump’s record is mixed, but not this week. This week, even as Joe Biden began to melt (the headline in Saturday’s Times of London online edition was “Democrats raise doubts over Joe Biden’s stamina for presidential nomination race” — never a good sign when the neighbors notice these things), Trump put together back-to-back big successes.

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Will, like Haley
« Reply #1554 on: June 12, 2019, 05:34:56 AM »
want open borders as much as the US can take

I have ONE question for them.

WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION IS IT WRITTEN THE US SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PONZI SCHEME WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT IT HAS BECOME:

https://pjmedia.com/trending/george-will-demands-open-borders-im-for-as-much-immigration-as-the-economy-can-take/

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The Democrats . welcome mat for illegals is the response to Trump
« Reply #1555 on: June 23, 2019, 04:53:55 PM »
Here is their border bill:

NOthing to stop the flood from entering the US
Nothing that protects the interest of citizens .

only taxpayer money to help the illegals
and for God Sakes money to pay for them to get instructions on how to take advantage of loopholes and pay for Dem operative lawyers and immigration lawyers

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2019/06/23/pelosi-says-the-house-will-pass-a-border-bill-but-theres-a-catch-n2548805

The dirtbags keep encouraging them to come and then turn around and point to the  "humanitarian crises" on the border

with Chrissy Cuomo right there with his TV crews talking about toothpaste and dental floss .


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Re: Immigration issues, workforce visa act
« Reply #1556 on: June 25, 2019, 06:37:57 AM »
An acquaintance of mine, part of our sports group when he is up here, once a top ten hedge fund manager in the world and Texas state pickle ball champion, has a payment and work based immigration proposal.
http://m.startribune.com/immigration-pushes-one-time-minnesota-hedge-fund-hotshot-into-politics/511710352/
https://www.idealimmigration.us/policy

From the article:
Under his proposal, dubbed the Workforce Visa Act, any foreign national with a valid offer of employment could pay $2,500 to obtain a one-year guest worker visa. That could be renewed annually at the same cost, with the proceeds going to workforce training and development funds for permanent residents in the state where the visa holder lives.

Employers could hire the visa workers if they agreed to pay back the $2,500 as part of their wages. That's meant to defuse criticism that immigrants take jobs from American workers, since the latter could be hired without the additional $2,500 charge.

After a decade, workforce visa holders could achieve legal permanent residence by paying an additional $25,000 or by agreeing to work for another 10 years. Prior to citizenship, the visa holders would not be eligible for public benefits but could join a workplace union.

"This would not eliminate or reduce or supplant any other path to legal status," Kuhn said. "It is an additional path."

Workers and business owners now in the country without legal documentation would be eligible. "We have 11 million here now who are living in fear and avoiding assimilation. The best way to achieve that is to let them know they have a path to live here permanently," Kuhn said.

Kuhn believes a work-focused increase in the legal immigration rate would be an economic boon, helping reduce worker shortages not only in the agriculture, home construction and hospitality industries, but also in specialized fields like technology and medical research.

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charge visa workers fees for 10 to 20 yrs to pay for training of citizens
« Reply #1557 on: June 25, 2019, 10:25:48 AM »
From above link:

"This would not eliminate or reduce or supplant any other path to legal status," Kuhn said. "It is an additional path."

Who would oversee , administer this?

More bureaucracy.  I don't know .   

This is interesting:

https://www.usapa.org/what-is-pickleball/

I tried racquetball .   easier than handball .

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From above link:

"This would not eliminate or reduce or supplant any other path to legal status," Kuhn said. "It is an additional path."

Who would oversee , administer this?

More bureaucracy.  I don't know .   

This is interesting:

https://www.usapa.org/what-is-pickleball/

I tried racquetball .   easier than handball .

He seems slightly naive on the politics of it but that may be an advantage for him to press forward while everyone else is standing still.  The fees for a ag worker and a tech venture capitalist are the same?  Sounds fair to me.

This is the game I play with Steve.  A little more exciting than pickle because of playing it off the screens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt-1F8SKVfQ

Steve had Andy Roddick and Andre Agassi over to house to play pickleball for a charity fundraiser.  Video:  https://www.facebook.com/thearfoundation/videos/2071995819478947/


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Re: Immigration issues, Bad news on citizenship question
« Reply #1560 on: June 27, 2019, 08:33:57 AM »
Never Trumper Roberts sides with the anti-constitutionalists on the Court.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/27/supreme-court-ruling-census-citizenship-question-1385304

Supreme Court deals setback to Trump administration attempt to add Census citizenship question
By TED HESSON and JOSH GERSTEIN 06/27/2019 10:59 AM EDT
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The Supreme Court on Thursday dealt an unexpected blow to the Trump administration's move to add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, ruling that official explanations for the move were implausible and legally inadequate.

In a surprising decision, Chief Justice John Roberts joined the court’s liberals on that point. The high court returned the case to lower courts for further action, raising doubts about the administration getting the go-ahead to add the question before upcoming deadlines to finalize the census questionnaire.


Several lower courts previously found that the administration violated federal regulatory law when it added the question.

The administration argued that citizenship data will assist with anti-discrimination provisions in enforcement of the 1965 Voting Rights Act. However, critics contend that immigrant households could skip the census over fears the information could be used to scrutinize their legal status.

Roberts wrote in the majority opinion that the administration’s rationale appeared to be “contrived“ and suggested that Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross presented a misleading rationale for adding the question when he said it had been requested by Justice Department officials to protect the rights of minority voters.

“In the secretary’s telling, Commerce was simply acting on a routine data request from another agency,“ he wrote. “Yet the materials before us indicate that Commerce went to great lengths to elicit the request from DOJ (or any other willing agency). … We are presented, in other words, with an explanation for agency action that is incongruent with what the record reveals about the agency’s priorities and decisionmaking process.“
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Justice Thomas - this is a first
« Reply #1561 on: June 27, 2019, 09:24:23 AM »
" .Never Trumper Roberts sides with the anti-constitutionalists on the Court."

I agree
 I no longer think Roberts is being impartial

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/scotus-blocks-donald-trump-administration-from-including-census-citizenship-question/

We can't ask on a census if someone is a citizen
but we can ask if the latin caucasian etc

"  On March 26, 2018 the U.S. Dept of Commerce announced[13] plans to re-include a citizenship question in the 2020 census questionnaire which has not been included on the short form since 1950.[14] The Decennial Census had a “long form” distributed to a sample of households receiving a Census form in three Census years (1980, 1990, 2000),[15] which included a question on citizenship.[16] The Census Bureau relies on the American Community Survey, based on samples of the U. S. population for more detailed questions of interest to policy-makers.[17]"

The Left's argument that a citizen question would intimidate illegals?

But my understanding is that privacy census data is very strictly protected

How else will we ever be able to determine how many illegals are here?

For Gods sake
Again the Left/ with Roberts  protectsthem rather than citizens !

We need Ginberg's seat to really have a conservative Court








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Coulter RNC already caved on immigraton
« Reply #1562 on: June 27, 2019, 05:44:34 PM »
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2019-06-26.html#read_more

wonder why they keep coming.
look no further then our beloved RNC

wonder why states keep turning blue
and none ever turn red

look no further then our beloved RNC

wonder why the country will soon become a Democrat socialist country .........

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Cal Thomas
« Reply #1563 on: July 04, 2019, 05:26:37 AM »


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smugglers training manuel
« Reply #1565 on: July 09, 2019, 02:36:54 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHlWUHYA6aY

Sadly this is about what is happening

:cry:

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1566 on: July 09, 2019, 08:26:26 PM »
Democrats will reportedly favor the wall if they win the election.  Fascist coercive socialism requires a wall to keep people in.

https://babylonbee.com/news/dems-change-mind-on-border-wall-after-realizing-it-could-be-used-to-keep-people-in-once-country-switches-to-socialism

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1567 on: July 09, 2019, 10:36:37 PM »
Democrats will reportedly favor the wall if they win the election.  Fascist coercive socialism requires a wall to keep people in.

https://babylonbee.com/news/dems-change-mind-on-border-wall-after-realizing-it-could-be-used-to-keep-people-in-once-country-switches-to-socialism

Oh, you will be able to leave, just not with a passport or any assets.

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Majority of Hispanic voters approve of citizenship question on U.S. census
« Reply #1568 on: July 10, 2019, 07:30:35 AM »
 Majority of Hispanic voters approve of citizenship question on U.S. census.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jul/9/55-of-hispanic-voters-approve-citizenship-question/


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Obama Immigration record
« Reply #1569 on: July 10, 2019, 07:34:39 AM »

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Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson visits the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Nogales Placement Center June 25, 2014 (Barry Bahler/Department of Homeland Security)
For months, Democrats accused President Trump of manufacturing a border crisis for political purposes. Because of this, they’ve generally refused to work with Trump or Republicans to do anything about it. They’re singing a different tune now, however, but instead of blaming Trump for manufacturing a crisis, they’re blaming him for the crisis. All the negative news we’re hearing from the border has Democrats pouncing, hoping to pin the blame on Trump and policies.

But when you look at the facts, it’s clear that while the crisis wasn’t manufactured, the Democrats’ outrage is. For years, they’ve stood idly by as the issues they now are hoping to turn into political footballs were going on in plain sight without a peep. Why? Because when it happened under Barack Obama they cared more about his image than the immigrant children and families they pretend to be advocating for today.

Below are seven facts about Obama’s immigration record that liberals are in complete denial over.


7. Obama deported a lot of illegal immigrants.
Despite Obama’s embracing of open borders and amnesty during his presidency, he actually deported a sizable number of illegal immigrants during his eight years in office. According to government figures, “During Obama's eight years in office, Immigration and Customs Enforcement deported over 3.1 million unauthorized immigrants. Most unauthorized immigrants who were apprehended inside of the country, not at the border, were convicted criminals, according to DHS.” Obama's immigration policy overall was still very much defined by his support of amnesty and open borders, but his administration still deported illegals. A lot of them.

6. Obama kept immigrant children in unsafe and unsanitary conditions.
In July 2015, a district court judge found the Obama administration to be in violation of the Flores Agreement, which requires the government to provide safe and sanitary conditions for immigrant minors, including food, drinking water, medical care, and other accommodations. The New York Times reported the following on the ruling:


In a decision late Friday roundly rejecting the administration’s arguments for holding the families, Judge Dolly M. Gee of Federal District Court for the Central District of California found that two detention centers in Texas that the administration opened last summer fail to meet minimum legal requirements of the 1997 settlement for facilities housing children.
Judge Gee also found that migrant children had been held in “widespread deplorable conditions” in Border Patrol stations after they were first caught, and she said the authorities had “wholly failed” to provide the “safe and sanitary” conditions required for children even in temporary cells.

The opinion was a significant legal blow to detention policies ordered by Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson in response to an influx of children and parents, mostly from Central America, across the border in South Texas last summer. In her 25-page ruling, Judge Gee gave a withering critique of the administration’s positions, declaring them “unpersuasive” and “dubious” and saying officials had ignored “unambiguous” terms of the settlement.

The Obama administration not only fought the ruling, but continued to “detain children in deplorable and unsanitary conditions in CBP facilities in violation of the settlement and the court's orders.” Where was the outrage?

Dishonest Dems Use Obama-Era Photo to Launch Investigation into 'Kids in Cages' at the Border
5. Obama tear-gassed immigrants at the border.
That’s right, multiple presidents, including Carter, Reagan, Bush, and Obama used tear gas to control crowds of immigrants at the U.S.-Mexico border. This fact was actually acknowledged by the left-wing fact-checking site FactCheck.org:

Statistics CBP emailed to FactCheck.org show that, from fiscal years 2012 to 2018, border agents used the chemical compound 2-chlorobenzylidene malononitrile (CS), which is commonly known as tear gas, in 126 incidents. Of those, 79 occurred during the five full fiscal years under President Barack Obama. That’s a little over one incident per month from fiscal 2012 to 2016. CBP sent us annual, not monthly figures.
Border agents also regularly used pepper spray. According to FactCheck.org, “Border agents used it in 540 incidents from fiscal years 2012 to 2018, and 434 (or 80 percent) of those were during the five full fiscal years under Obama.”

4. Immigrants died trying to cross the border into the United States under Obama.
Democrats pounced on the now infamous photo of a Salvadoran man and his nearly two-year-old daughter who drowned in the Rio Grande trying to come into the United States. To them, Trump and his policies were to blame. Of course, hundreds of immigrants die every year trying to get into the United States, but apparently, only Trump is individually culpable for it when it happens on his watch. Democrats who might concede this point might believe that the problem got worse under Trump because, well, Trump! But according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection data, there were fewer deaths at the border during Trump’s first two years than there were during Obama’s first two years.


3. Obama let immigrant children into the hands of human traffickers.
Yes. It’s true. The U.S. Senate investigated human trafficking of children who came into the United States, and the report did get national media coverage. Just no national outrage. In January 2016 the Washington Post reported that “The Obama administration failed to protect thousands of Central American children who have flooded across the U.S. border since 2011, leaving them vulnerable to traffickers and to abuses at the hands of government-approved caretakers.” Under Obama, the Office of Refugee Resettlement, which is part of the HHS Department, “failed to do proper background checks of adults who claimed the children, allowed sponsors to take custody of multiple unrelated children, and regularly placed children in homes without visiting the locations.”

“It is intolerable that human trafficking — modern-day slavery — could occur in our own backyard,” said Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), who started the Senate investigation. It happened, and it happened on Obama’s watch.

2. Obama separated families at the border.
The most common rebuttal I’ve heard on social media to the issue of which administration built the cages housing immigrant children is that Trump separated families at the border, while Obama did not. In their minds, the moment Trump became president, unaccompanied minors stopped coming across the border, and instead, it was full of families, that were then thoughtlessly ripped apart by an evil and mean Trump administration. Well, the left doesn’t want to see this, but the separation of families at the border was a continuation of an existing policy that preceded Trump (and Obama) and Obama absolutely separated families at the border.

1. Obama built the cages for immigrant children.
Not even Snopes could deny this one. Two former Obama administration officials have publicly acknowledged this fact, and the media even reported on the migrant detention facilities that were built by the Obama administration—but those reports lacked the outrage you see today. There is a lot of photographic evidence of migrant detention facilities during the Obama years, with children crowded in caged areas, sleeping on concrete floors, that just didn’t resonate with the media or the political left at the time. It's almost as though they were trying to protect Obama's legacy.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/seven-facts-about-obamas-immigration-record-liberals-refuse-to-admit/



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El Paso shooter is right in some of his thoughts though of course, not action
« Reply #1574 on: August 04, 2019, 09:15:30 AM »
https://buffalonews.com/2019/08/03/multiple-gunmen-reported-in-active-shooting-at-el-paso-shopping-center/

The majority of the immigrants will vote for the party of free stuff and will make America a single party country .


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if immigration law was enforced
« Reply #1575 on: August 05, 2019, 05:56:25 AM »
at least some of these shootings would not have happened.
and yes we are being invaded
what else do you call caravans heading north and people by the millions overstaying their visas etc

and yes politicians on both sides and big corps have screwed the rest of Americans over.
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/on-the-border-officials-see-dividends-from-trumps-deal-with-mexico

Trump accomplishment?

"That’s not to say the migrants aren’t crossing – they are – but the numbers are down significantly from the levels seen in the spring. And while the furious heat of the summer months is a factor in discouraging migrants, Sector Chief Patrol Agent Felix Chavez says that the Trump administration’s push to get Mexico to cooperate with immigration efforts has paid dividends."





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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1587 on: September 01, 2019, 11:24:52 AM »
Bad optics.

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1588 on: September 01, 2019, 05:03:05 PM »
Bad optics.

I guess we should just continue to reward those who violate our laws then.

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Malkin on some of the networks established to help illegals break our laws
« Reply #1589 on: September 09, 2019, 04:46:36 AM »
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/08/exclusive-excerpt-michelle-malkin-open-borders-inc-whos-funding-americas-destruction/

I remember seeing Doctors Without  Borders booths at national doctor conventions circa 1990. 

I am not clear.  Are American Churches behind a lot of this.?
Still not clear where the money for this is coming from .