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« Reply #301 on: December 02, 2013, 02:22:53 PM »

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Re: The Unorganzied Militia: Citizens defend themselves/others.
« Reply #302 on: December 19, 2013, 10:17:33 AM »

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Re: The Unorganzied Militia: Citizens defend themselves/others.
« Reply #303 on: December 19, 2013, 01:00:07 PM »
Surprisingly fast reaction by the intended victim.

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« Reply #304 on: December 20, 2013, 09:54:38 AM »
He says he wouldn't repeat his actions if he had the chance to do it again:

http://www.today.com/news/bus-rider-who-jumped-armed-robber-it-was-pure-instinct-2D11783266

In hindsight, Casey Borgen says he wouldn’t have confronted the armed thief. In reality, the hero jumped the gunman who had already taken several cell phones by the time he got to Borgen.

In a widely seen surveillance video from a Seattle city bus, the robber is seen walking up to his seated victim and pointing a gun at his face. Borgen immediately pulled the pistol out of the way and tackled the guy before other bus passengers helped subdue the suspect.

“From my perspective, I just looked up and saw the gun. A lot of people thought that it was a conscious action to try and take him down but it was something that was pure instinct,” he told TODAY on Friday in an exclusive interview. “I recall thinking as it was happening, it was a bad idea. Once that happened, it was one of those things where it had to be carried to its logical (end).”

The gunman, 19-year-old Trevonnte Brown, faces two counts of first-degree robbery, one count of attempted first-degree robbery and a second-degree robbery charge. He is being held on bond in King County jail.

Authorities released the surveillance video this week, although the incident occurred on Nov. 25. The video shows Borgen with his headphones on, lost in his thoughts listening to music when the gunman approached him.

“It was on shuffle. I honestly couldn’t tell you what I was listening to,” he said.

Borgen said he has thought a lot about that moment, and the idea of being mugged for a smart phone.

“It’s so preposterous, like, ‘You can take my phone,’” he said. He definitely wouldn’t repeat his actions if he had a chance to revisit the instant.

“But in the moment, with no real understanding about why a gun was being pointed at me, something came over me,” he said. “I didn’t have any sorts of thoughts about doing a good deed or anything. But the people who did, who jumped in, I think those are the people — they had the choice, and they chose to help.”

Borgen admitted his response amazed his friends and family, especially his wife. But it also surprised himself.

“I’m fairly mild-mannered, no martial arts training or anything like that. When I think about it rationally, I definitely wouldn’t have taken those actions but one thing led to another,” he said.

Borgen said he still commutes on the same Seattle bus and nothing about his daily routine has changed since that fateful day.

“It’s something that doesn’t happen very often,” he said. “I don’t think that not riding the bus is the answer.”
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« Reply #314 on: April 17, 2014, 09:18:28 AM »
http://lasvegassun.com/news/2014/apr/13/man-who-saved-cops-life/

I note that considerable care is given in sentence structure so as to leave the gender of the officer unmentioned, , , Nonetheless, a good and happy story.  This is the way it should be and is for most of us most of the time.

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Jogger finds meth lab, is attacked, fights back
« Reply #317 on: May 08, 2014, 10:16:06 AM »
http://thesouthern.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/jogger-discovers-meth-lab-attacked-fights-off-assailants/article_982f363b-07e8-5c2e-b0ed-d25ac33af258.html


BENTON — No charges are anticipated against a man who confronted two men accused of making methamphetamine on his property, leaving one of the men hospitalized and the other in jail, Franklin County Sheriff Don Jones said.

The man, whose name was not released, told deputies he was jogging in rural Royalton about 8 p.m. Tuesday when he spotted a vehicle on property owned by his family. The jogger called 911 after he approached the vehicle and saw two men with a methamphetamine lab cooking in the back seat of the car.

The jogger told deputies the two men attacked him, prompting him to pick up a 2x4 to protect himself, Jones said. He struck one man on the head and hit the other on the arm.

The man with head injuries, whose name was not released, was taken to Herrin Hospital and subsequently airlifted to a St. Louis hospital for medical treatment.

The second suspect, identified as Johnny M. Doerflein, 39, Du Quoin, ran from the property but was later taken into custody. He is charged with a number of drug-related offenses including possession of methamphetamine, over 400 grams but less than 900, a class X felony.

Doerflein suffered only minor injuries and was taken to Franklin County Jail.

Charges are pending against the second suspect.



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« Reply #320 on: May 26, 2014, 08:17:54 PM »
Kentucky legislature clearing way for more gun permits.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/ky-general-assembly/2014/05/23/ky-legislature-clearing-way-gun-permits/9489225/

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State police issued 59,530 concealed-carry licenses in 2013, a 447 percent increase since 2004.
The legislature has passed at least a dozen measures over the past decade to give permit-holders more flexibility


FRANKFORT, Ky. –  The number of gun permits issued in Kentucky has quadrupled over the past 10 years, thanks in part to at least a dozen measures the General Assembly has passed to ease restrictions in the state's concealed carry law.

State police issued 59,530 concealed-carry licenses in 2013, a 447 percent increase from the 10,884 that were given out in 2004. More than twice as many people received a permit last year as compared to 2012, when a school shooting in Newtown, Conn., raised fears of tightened gun laws.

Meanwhile, the state legislature has passed at least a dozen measures over the past decade — often with support from the National Rifle Association — to speed up the application process and gradually give permit-holders more flexibility.

RELATED: Changes to Kentucky gun laws

A review of the legislative record dating back to 2004 shows that statutes on concealed weapons have been amended in the following ways:

• Active and honorably discharged military personnel who apply for licenses are no longer required to undergo training on state laws related to legal liability and the use of deadly force, if they received firearms training in the service.

• Domestic violence victims can receive a temporary, 45-day permit without completing the normally required training on firearms safety and state law.

• Firearms, loaded or unloaded, may be stored in more places about a vehicle — including center consoles and seat pockets — without being considered concealed. And employers cannot prevent employees from keeping guns in their car while at work.

• Officials are required to process applications at a faster rate. KSP must issue or deny permits within 60 days, down from 90, or within 15 days if the paperwork is submitted electronically.

• Public access to the names of licensees have been eliminated, and access to the information by law enforcement has been tightened.

• A six-month state residency requirement in applications has been eliminated.

• Gun owners have been granted authority to carry concealed weapons without a license on property they lease or own, or on property leased or owned by a relative. They may also carry in their own business without a license.

• Retired peace officers and prosecutors have gained broad authority above that of the general public to carry in most locations throughout the state, including courthouses and bars.

Pulling back restrictions

Kentucky has issued around 300,000 licenses since the state's concealed carry law was enacted in 1996, and the permits can be renewed after five years.

Proponents say the changes help Kentuckians exercise Second Amendment rights and eliminate unnecessary constraints from the law's original language.

"The benefit of doing that is you make it easier on our citizens to carry a concealed deadly weapon for the protection of their family and themselves," said Rep. Bob Damron, D-Nicholasville, who sponsored the original law and has backed many of its amendments.

But critics charge that lawmakers, working under the National Rifle Association's political grip, have set the stage for more violence and deadly gun accidents.

Rep. Jim Wayne, a Louisville Democrat who has opposed revisions to the law, said that when he started in the legislature 24 years ago, lawmakers were cautious about concealed-carry bills. But Wayne said he has witnessed a sea change.

"It's pretty obvious that the NRA and their advocates are strategically trying to make it easier for society to be saturated with guns," he said. "They are doing that step by step, and the steps have increased their pace in the last several years."

The NRA did not respond to a request for comment. Still, the group has spoken out in support of at least five bills on concealed carry since 2004, including a 2014 gun bill that marked one of the largest reforms in at least nine years.

That measure, among other things, allowed electronic applications, permitted temporary licenses for domestic violence victims and let corrections officers use their professional training to satisfy training requirements in permit applications — all deemed "important pro-gun reforms" by the NRA.

Some lawmakers argue that Kentucky hasn't gone far enough.

Republican Rep. Mike Harmon, for instance, has filed bills to allow concealed carry without a permit, and said lifting restrictions is popular among the voters he represents in Boyle and Washington counties.

"We create laws to protect people," Harmon said, "but some of our laws prevent people from protecting themselves."

This year's major gun bill passed 92-6 in the Democrat-led House and 37-1 in the GOP-controlled Senate.

Typically, only a handful of urban legislators vote against such bills, said Rep. Wayne. That's because the NRA has convinced rural lawmakers in both parties that they cannot win re-election without the group's approval, he said.

"The dominant way of thinking right now is the NRA and their agenda," Wayne said. "It's unfortunate, but I don't see it reversing course anytime soon."

The NRA has only contributed $3,450 to state House and Senate candidates since 2004, but lawmakers say they are effective at tracking and scoring the voting records of each legislator — and communicating that information to voters.

Damron agreed that many lawmakers want a strong score from the NRA come election time.

"They have a large network of membership in the state that are active and vocal and will get out and work for candidates they support their views and will work against candidates that don't support their views," he said.

Other states

The Kentucky legislature isn't alone in its efforts, according to groups that monitor gun laws.

Expanding concealed carry in public spaces and "weakening" the requirements for people to have hidden weapons has remained a priority of the pro-gun lobby and a trend across the nation, said Allison S. Anderman, staff attorney for the San Francisco-based Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

Anderman said "states are going from 'may issue' to 'shall issue' " in laws that stipulate who can receive a permit.

Kentucky has used the "shall issue" approach since the concealed-carry statute took effect in 1996, which means authorities are required to issue permits so long as applicants meet objective criteria.

But a 2012 report from the U.S. Government Accountability Office shows that the number of "shall issue" states grew from 29 to 39 over the prior decade and states that prohibited concealed carry altogether fell from seven to just one: Illinois.

Since then, Illinois has lost a legal battle with gun advocates and, under court order, passed legislation to allow concealed carry. Now, only Washington D.C. does not permit concealed firearms.

Also, the Law Center reported last year that Kentucky is one of 17 states that requires authorities to issue permits without discretion.

Nine states allow authorities to consider an applicant's character and reasons for wanting a concealed weapon when issuing or denying permits, and 20 other states, like Indiana, have some limited discretion on who qualifies. Alaska, Arizona, Vermont and Wyoming don't require a permit at all, the center noted.

'A very functional law'

Groups on both sides of the debate point to differing studies on the relationship between concealed carry and crime.

The NRA argues, for example, that violent crime declined to a 37-year low in 2010 as states lifted prohibitions on carrying firearms.

But the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence points to a 2005 study from the National Academy of Sciences that found no causal link between such laws and crime rates.

"The research has demonstrated that guns do not make us safer and actually the more guns that are available, the more likelihood there is for gun violence," Anderman said. "Normal escalations between people can turn deadly when there is a gun available."

Still, Damron said Kentucky's law has proved successful and that the legislature is mostly working to "clean up" language in the statute, not make wholesale changes.

"Generally speaking, I think the original intent of the '96 act has been maintained over the last 18 years, and we still have a very functional law," he said.

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« Reply #322 on: March 13, 2015, 07:41:16 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/comey-warns-islamic-state-recruits-lone-wolf-attacks-144616036.html

FBI chief warns of Islamic State recruits, lone wolf attacks

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By Doina Chiacu
March 12, 2015 12:20 PM

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The radicalization of Americans by Islamic State and other groups, particularly through sophisticated use of social media, is a top concern for the FBI as it grapples with evolving terrorism threats, Director James Comey said on Thursday.

Like other militant groups, Islamic State, also known as ISIL, has called for lone wolf attacks in Western countries and has specifically encouraged attacks on soldiers, law enforcement officers and the intelligence community, Comey said at an appropriations subcommittee budget hearing.

Comey referred to the group's efforts to recruit Americans to join Islamic State fighting in Syria and Iraq, then have them return to the United States to commit acts of terrorism.

"ISIL's widespread reach through the Internet and social media is most concerning as the group has proven dangerously competent at employing such tools for its nefarious strategy," Comey told the panel as he presented his $8.48 billion budget request for fiscal year 2016.

"This poses an enormous challenge to us: to find the people who are responding to that siren song," Comey said.


U.S. National Intelligence Director James Clapper said early this month that about 180 Americans have traveled to Syria to join Islamist militants and about 40 have returned to the United States.

Comey called the threats posed by such foreign fighters and from homegrown violent extremists "extremely dynamic." He did not cite updated figures on American foreign fighters before the panel recessed to go into classified session.

Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein asked Comey about a more tangible piece of that threat: that known or suspected terrorists are not banned from buying guns in the United States.

She cited a General Accountability Office report that, from 2004 to 2014, 91 percent of the 2,233 known or suspected terrorists on the federal terrorism watchlist who tried to buy a firearm were successful in passing a background check.

"We can have people come into this country meaning to do us harm and they can go in and buy a weapon to carry it out. That's simply unacceptable," said Feinstein.

"Your biggest concern is the lone wolf. The lone wolf can come in unarmed, he can buy the explosives, he can buy the gun. This must be stopped."

She asked where the Obama administration stood on legislation to prevent the sale of firearms and explosives to people on the watchlist. Comey replied that he did not know.

(Reporting by Doina Chiacu; Editing by Bill Trott and Christian Plumb)

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« Reply #332 on: June 05, 2017, 01:45:25 PM »
http://blog.suarezinternational.com/2017/06/the-real-solution-to-terrorist-knife-attacks.html

THE "REAL" SOLUTION TO JIHADIST KNIFE ATTACKS
Sunday, June 04, 2017

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"One of them had a big knife, then he came in and walked around the restaurant,  I guess they just kind of stabbed anyone that they saw and knocked things on the ground and then we just hid."

So this last weekend - mid Ramadan (but the UK authorities are adamant that has nothing to do with it) - yet another series of well coordinated attacks in London.  The timing was on cue, and the technology was primitive, yet the effect was successful.  The weapons were simple: Aggression, Motor Vehicles, and Knives.  Unless the nanny-state wishes to now castrate the aggression out of all males, prohibit all sharp instruments in an Okinawan-like decree, and force everyone to use public transportation, the ability of the state to prevent the next one is ridiculously impossible as long as the culture that advocates such things is allowed to roam free in the west.

That last bit is out of the hands of normal people like us, yet we are the ones that will stand at the front line of the effects of the political decisions made by those in charge.  And we will either stand as ready sacrifices to the death cult, or as combatants.  Britain seems to have already chosen out of their self-imposed helplessness. Soon the west, and Europe in particular, will either find its warrior heart and embrace the old ways, or it will be bent over the table and given its fate.

In this article, which I am certain will upset the "martial arts" guys, I will discuss the reality of facing a jihadist with a knife bent of "stabbing anyone they see".  I will discuss "The Jihadist Vehicle Attacks" later.

So here we go -

1).  Forget the fantasy of empty hand defenses:

Do not think for one minute that your secret Jujitsu or Kung Fu methods will guarantee you winning against a dedicated, motivated, young and fit jihadist armed with a big knife intent on killing you.  Add to that his expectation of dying that day...add to that his accomplices, also armed with knives, and you get a clearer picture.  And winning does not mean 7 out of 10 in the drills at the dojo...it means we want a solid chance at a 100% success rate because anything less means that you die.  Your chances may be better if you have devoted your entire life to nothing but full contact martial arts training (and if your adversaries are unskilled)...but otherwise...unarmed against the knife is a very foolish match to go into.

2).  Instead of going Jackie Chan, use a weapon:

Yes, I know...it may mean violating the rules.  As I have said...and it is almost a cliche now...we live in a time of war and we must make adjustments to the reality and accept that the authorities cannot prevent these events from taking place.  So if you live in a free state, carry a firearm with you - EVERYWHERE.  Ignore the sign if there is one saying you cannot.  If you live in a not so free state, carry a firearm with you anyway and always obey the speed limit.  If you live in a country intentionally bereft of any warrior culture, see item three.

3).  Always be armed no matter the rules:

"But Gabe...we live in (insert oppressed socialist state or nation here) and we can't even buy a picture of a gun here".

A modern, educated man with a set of nuts in his bag will always figure out a way to be armed.  No guns?  OK, get your own knife.  Knife versus knife is a far better proposition than unarmed versus knife is it not?  My God, at the very least get a big fat stick that you can claim is a cane and that you can crush skulls with.  It really is not that difficult if there is courage, and a will, and a defiant heart that denies the state's right to control your destiny.

"But Gabe, the rules say I cannot have guns, knives, sticks, anything that could possibly be used as a weapon and they are about to pass laws banning ill will".

When you cannot live in safety, and in obedience to the established law, a learned man will happily become a scofflaw.  If you disagree with that, I really have nothing for you.  Sorry...good luck.

4). Learn to be violent:

This is why I am not impressed with the majority of martial arts training.  Too much sport.  Too much esoteric spiritual stuff.  Not enough violence.  We need more "martial", and less "art" - as it were.  I expect that today, the Monday after the London Bridge attack, the martial arts schools in the UK (and USA) will be filled with eager soccer moms and football dads (cricket-moms and rugby-dads?) looking for the easy solution to this problem.  And they will be taught esoteric stuff intended for the "perfection of character", or stuff developed for winning a match somewhere.

What they need is to be taught to physically destroy their opponent, crushing windpipes, smashing skulls, breaking bones.  The "real karate" that so few schools even understand much less teach.  But again, see item 1.  I have trained in hand to hand stuff since I was ten years old and I would prefer to not face  against a knife empty handed.

5).  Learn preemption:

It is 2017.  Are we already forgetting that there is a true social-religious-political culture living in the west...in truth invited by the west, that seeks to supplant western culture by force and attrition with its own culture?  If you see a couple of strong young men, that look like they just got off the boat from Afghanistan moving aggressively toward you with knives in their hands - do we really need to have a time out to explain what their intentions are for you?

This is the time to draw and shoot each one of them to the ground, not running or hiding. 

6).  Keep alert:

All the weapons and willingness to violence will not help you in the least if you are asleep at the bar.  The first part of all this is staying alert.  Sit where you can see the exit, have your back covered or have an equally alert associate watching it.  Look around constantly and know who is moving and what is happening.  Don't want to live like that you say?  Well, western nations, you should have thought about that before you invited the death cult into your country, or voted for fools that did so.  You live in a time of war and you will either deny it and hope you are not selected by the next jihadist, or you accept reality and prepare to meet him.

That is all.  There are no secret techniques to defend against the knife by physically frail and empty handed males.  It takes violence and weapons.  And in that order.

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Re: Suarez is correct
« Reply #333 on: June 05, 2017, 10:25:21 PM »

3).  Always be armed no matter the rules:

"But Gabe...we live in (insert oppressed socialist state or nation here) and we can't even buy a picture of a gun here".

A modern, educated man with a set of nuts in his bag will always figure out a way to be armed.  No guns?  OK, get your own knife.  Knife versus knife is a far better proposition than unarmed versus knife is it not?  My God, at the very least get a big fat stick that you can claim is a cane and that you can crush skulls with.  It really is not that difficult if there is courage, and a will, and a defiant heart that denies the state's right to control your destiny.

"But Gabe, the rules say I cannot have guns, knives, sticks, anything that could possibly be used as a weapon and they are about to pass laws banning ill will".

When you cannot live in safety, and in obedience to the established law, a learned man will happily become a scofflaw.  If you disagree with that, I really have nothing for you.  Sorry...good luck.


Been preaching and living by that for years.... a lot of people, even within the Tribe, don't like that. 


4). Learn to be violent:

This is why I am not impressed with the majority of martial arts training.  Too much sport.  Too much esoteric spiritual stuff.  Not enough violence.  We need more "martial", and less "art" - as it were.  I expect that today, the Monday after the London Bridge attack, the martial arts schools in the UK (and USA) will be filled with eager soccer moms and football dads (cricket-moms and rugby-dads?) looking for the easy solution to this problem.  And they will be taught esoteric stuff intended for the "perfection of character", or stuff developed for winning a match somewhere.

What they need is to be taught to physically destroy their opponent, crushing windpipes, smashing skulls, breaking bones.  The "real karate" that so few schools even understand much less teach.  But again, see item 1.  I have trained in hand to hand stuff since I was ten years old and I would prefer to not face  against a knife empty handed.


There should be more teachers around, that have actually killed people.

The two (sports and training vs actually doing it), are completely different things and mindsets.

Good article.

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Re: Suarez is correct
« Reply #334 on: June 05, 2017, 11:23:51 PM »
The rule of law is important. However, when the rule of law stops protecting the people, and instead victimizes them, then it is time to reexamine society's rules.




3).  Always be armed no matter the rules:

"But Gabe...we live in (insert oppressed socialist state or nation here) and we can't even buy a picture of a gun here".

A modern, educated man with a set of nuts in his bag will always figure out a way to be armed.  No guns?  OK, get your own knife.  Knife versus knife is a far better proposition than unarmed versus knife is it not?  My God, at the very least get a big fat stick that you can claim is a cane and that you can crush skulls with.  It really is not that difficult if there is courage, and a will, and a defiant heart that denies the state's right to control your destiny.

"But Gabe, the rules say I cannot have guns, knives, sticks, anything that could possibly be used as a weapon and they are about to pass laws banning ill will".

When you cannot live in safety, and in obedience to the established law, a learned man will happily become a scofflaw.  If you disagree with that, I really have nothing for you.  Sorry...good luck.


Been preaching and living by that for years.... a lot of people, even within the Tribe, don't like that. 


4). Learn to be violent:

This is why I am not impressed with the majority of martial arts training.  Too much sport.  Too much esoteric spiritual stuff.  Not enough violence.  We need more "martial", and less "art" - as it were.  I expect that today, the Monday after the London Bridge attack, the martial arts schools in the UK (and USA) will be filled with eager soccer moms and football dads (cricket-moms and rugby-dads?) looking for the easy solution to this problem.  And they will be taught esoteric stuff intended for the "perfection of character", or stuff developed for winning a match somewhere.

What they need is to be taught to physically destroy their opponent, crushing windpipes, smashing skulls, breaking bones.  The "real karate" that so few schools even understand much less teach.  But again, see item 1.  I have trained in hand to hand stuff since I was ten years old and I would prefer to not face  against a knife empty handed.


There should be more teachers around, that have actually killed people.

The two (sports and training vs actually doing it), are completely different things and mindsets.

Good article.

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« Reply #338 on: November 06, 2017, 10:54:28 AM »
http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/church-safety

Church Safety
Posted on November 6, 2017 by Greg Ellifritz in Articles


This is a guest post written by long-time police trainer Ron Borsch.  Ron has been a friend for many years and has done more research on active killer events than likely anyone else in the world.

 

Ron is now semi-retired and looking to write a little more.  He will be contributing a few articles for this site in the future.  He still teaches some private police defensive tactics and active killer response classes.  He is also available for consultations.  His full bio and contact info are at the bottom of the article.

 

And now, I give you Ron Borsch….

 

 

Church Safety
by Ron Borsch

One would imagine that among different locations, places of worship would be a safe haven and we would not have to be concerned about safety from violence there. Unfortunately, churches are not the sanctuary they once were. Here we are not talking about mere arson, assault, burglary, mugging, rape, or robbery. Even worse, churches can and have been the site of murder, multiple murders, and “Rapid Mass Murder”©*, (RMM or attempts). About a year ago, churches were the third most commonly targeted location by active killers, after Schools, (K-12), and Colleges/Universities.

 

For sure, and thank God, RMM is far from a common occurrence anywhere. But it sure sucks when the fickle finger of fate picks your location and you for a RMM incident. The active killer* is attracted to where his health, welfare and safety are insured. An active killer magnet is where they can find unarmed defenseless innocents. Locations where a law, rule or sign forbids honest, law-abiding or otherwise legally permitted citizens to possess firearms become virtual target locations for these active killers who are anticipating being an “unstoppable” force there. The sometimes astonishing rapidity with which they can murder initiated our “Stopwatch of Death”©* database.

 

WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE ACTIVE KILLER
Active killer’s ages are something we need to research further. What is known is that our human brains are not fully matured until about age 25 and some authorities place maturity as late as age 30. It is also known that “juveniles” are more affected and motivated by the powerful “Copycat Effect”, most common in schools today. Aided by the media, affected youth are attracted by the “Instant Celebrity Status”© that catapults them from being nobody to suddenly becoming “famous”, (alive or deceased, in their sick minds). A serious contributing affect found in many active killers has been obsessiveness with playing killing video games. An information resource on this is the book “Stop Teaching Kids To Kill” by Dave Grossman.

 

Uncharacteristically, church active killers may or may not have any attachment to the church they strike. Their real or imagined grievances may only be known to them. Quite commonly, active killers are seriously affected by “Numerous Unstable & Troubling Symptoms”©. They also may have differing unreasonable and illogical motives for choosing the site of their murdering such as a church, restaurant, school, theater, workplace, etc. With some exceptions and generally, pre & post teen active killers normally target their present or former schools, young adult active killers as a rule target their present or former Colleges-Universities and active killer ages typical to the workplace target their present or former workplaces.

 

AN OVERVIEW OF RAPID MASS MURDER FACTORS
One thing to keep in mind is that generally, only about half of RMM is ever stopped by anyone, meaning in those cases that the murdering stops only when the killer says it stops. Seconds are golden considering that we have at least two RMM examples documenting that more than one attempted murder per second is possible, so time is a huge handicap. Most of us have complete confidence in the quality and responsiveness of our local law enforcement agency, but unfortunately, police are most handicapped by TIME.

 

Why? There is a regrettable but natural delay in notifying law enforcement. Of little known delayed notification times, expert Ed Sanow says that this time delay ranges between five and seven minutes. Try to understand that for those whose safety is seriously endangered, notifying law enforcement may be the last thing on their mind. People not yet aware they are in danger may experience denial that evil may be on their very door step. For example, thinking something real “can’t be happening” or concluding that gunfire must be fireworks instead of calling police right away.

 

When law enforcement is finally notified, there is additional call-taking time, dispatching time, officer response time, officer entry time, locating the killer time, Etc. While the size of your community is known, just how distant the closest officer will be is always an unknown. Here are a couple of examples. In a 2008 Finland RMM event, (10 were killed in 10 minutes), there was a known 6 minute delay in notifying law enforcement, then a 14 minute police response time. In the 2011 Tucson AZ 15 second incident, (6 killed, 13 wounded), the time delay in notifying police is unknown, but response time afterwards was 4 minutes.

 

A recommended reading resource on the subject is “Guns in Churches Addressing Church Security Needs” – a report from the Mennonite Mutual Insurance Co.

 

We suggest that church leaders read the full MMI article and their pro and con three options. MMI does note: “Allowing or encouraging people to carry weapons into church with no written policy or specialized training creates a huge liability issue and should be avoided. Regardless of which option is chosen, church leaders should consider posting their policy regarding weapons in and around the church building,”

 

Insurance companies are sensitive to risks and pay-outs. Kudos to them for even broaching the subject. Some of their advice is based in part of avoiding liability for a firearm mishap in the church. On the other hand, “Rapid Mass Murder”© by an active killer, while a very low frequency event, is also a very brutal mass tragedy event. Knowing that churches have been targeted by these murderers, a place of worship bears responsibility for reasonable protection efforts on behalf of their flock. These days, a sanctuary needs to be enforced!

 

In the MMI summary, they advise: “No one can completely stop bad things from happening, it is unfortunately part of our human condition and the society we live in. However, a well-designed plan can reduce not only the severity, but also the level of liability a church may encounter if, or when, something tragic does occur. At the end of the day, we must be able to say as good stewards, “We trusted God and did our very best to care for the people and property entrusted to our care.”

 

CHURCH SAFETY AND SECURITY COST

While unarmed citizens have successfully stopped the killing, many have died trying. Still, bare-handed against a firearm, (even a knife or club), is very, very dangerous. In some ways, an armed volunteer church safety and security team may not be the best solution, but it is an enviable problem solver for the church that cannot afford the expense involved with hiring professionals. Anyone can have a “champagne taste” but many of us have to deal with the reality of a “beer budget.”

 

In planning ahead, we can learn something from the analogy, “One is none and two is one.” The point is that support personnel assistance, (and duplicating equipment), is important. Thinking about minimizing the minimum? Stuff happens! Understand that assigned folks can get sick at church, (like the flu), or a team member not show up at all, (injured in an on-route traffic accident, etc.). It is safer to have more than a skeleton crew for unforeseen eventualities.

 

CHURCH SAFETY AND SECURITY TEAM PLANNING

Properly done, volunteers or professionals would still require a team. For example, a small church may get by with a team of two plainclothes, front and rear corner outside isle positions, (alternating left-right to the opposite side each week). An improvement would be an additional member in place as or near a greeter at the door, and another enhancement would be a member in a car in the parking lot, able to watch the mannerisms and “tells” of folks coming in cars and or walking towards the church. Consider that a mega-church would of course require a far larger staff. By the way, the Colorado Springs Church CO mega-church in 2007 had a successful stop-the-killing response from one, (of several), volunteer armed church guards. Jeanne Assam stopped a rifleman bearing multiple firearms and carrying hundreds of rounds who had already murdered that day.

 

ON-SITE VOLUNTEER ARMED CHURCH SECURITY OPTION

A member of the congregation will be far more familiar with fellow parishioners, the building and the differences between what is normal and what is not. In Ohio, a CCW permit holder is allowed to carry in a church, providing that the church has given him or her permission in writing. Applicants with former military or law enforcement experience generally should be given first preference. Of course, only a CCW permit would be a bare minimum for those content with mediocrity or less. For example, many CCW course instructors are not permitted to use targets resembling a human.

 

This is horrible “Target Habituation”© to prepare volunteers for the possibility of justifiable homicide against an evil rogue-human bent on murder. Training targets must be armed and closely resemble a real human being, which means a face. In Dave Grossman and Gloria DeGaetano’s book Stop Teaching Kids To Kill, on targets, they speak of “World War II bulls-eye targets in training did not properly prepare soldiers for combat since they were not humans or even simulated humans…shooting bulls-eyes do not teach what it takes to look at another human being in the eyes, lift up a weapon, and knowingly try to take their life.”

 

Normal folks may agree that having anyone in a uniform would routinely deter trouble makers, but active killers are of course NOT normal people. While the typical active killer may be a coward with suicidal tendencies, there have been some very determined active killers. For example, the original plan of the Columbine killers was to first assassinate the School Resource Officer where and when he usually had his lunch (he was not there then). What we can learn from this is that with a very determined active killer, a uniformed guard could be the very first victim of RMM. Therefore, a “Plainclothes Surprise” is recommended.

 

“We suggest, you decide”

 

About the author: Ron Borsch is a staff instructor for the Kent Martial Arts Club and a Viet Nam veteran, (1965-66 U.S. Army 101st Airborne Paratrooper). Ron’s 30 year law enforcement career included 20 years as Rangemaster, Pistol Team Captain and 17 years as a SWAT operator and trainer. Concluding his law enforcement career and retaining a police commission, he semi-retired as an agency consultant. Along with support from the 7 SEALE Chiefs of Police from 1998 to 2015, Ron initiated, managed and was the lead trainer for the post-graduate facility SEALE Regional Police Training Academy in Bedford Ohio. The academy served over one hundred law enforcement agencies from 9 states. He is nationally recognized for his research documenting the 7 out of 10 successes of “Single Officer’s Lifesaving Others”© in police responses to “Rapid Mass Murder”© by active killers. Ron has presented various subjects in several different states to fellow officers, national and international instructor audiences and Chiefs of Police.

Contact is by E-mail only for now: rbi0075@juno.com.
Explanation of terms:

Rapid Mass Murder© (or RMM): “Within 20 minutes, 4 or more murdered at the same time and public place”. In the “Stopwatch of Death” database, attempts of RMM are also counted. Not counted are the criminal actions of police, military, terrorists or street gangs.
Stopwatch of Death©: The SWD is factoring RMM and attempts, (wounded), together divided, (when known), by the killing time. For example, the SWD factor for Columbine High School, (1999 Littleton CO), was 02.9 murder attempts per minute. Two RMM events were over in 15 seconds, having SWD factors of 88.0 and 76.0 murder attempts per minute, (1996 Tasmania Australia, and 2011 Tucson Arizona respectively).
Active Killer: “One who commits Rapid Mass Murder”. This includes murder by any means. The active killer term is not interchangeable with the two totally neutral words, “active shooter”

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Suarez: Getting to the Shot Part One
« Reply #343 on: August 17, 2019, 01:15:02 PM »
GETTING TO THE SHOT - PART 1

Today on my forum, warriortalk.com, a member commented in incredulity on the El Paso shooting. That a place like Texas, with so many CCW licensees, and likely many in the Walmart being covertly armed, that nobody shot the gunman. The same could be said of any mass shooting that takes place in any state where CCW is prolific. A great question.

Here is what I think.

1). Most people, whether police or private citizens, have a trained aversion to kill and will do everything possible to not engage. The guys that interdict active shooters are outliers in society. When most people on scene are of the violence-avoidance types, they will most likely not engage the shooter. See my prior articles on Fear Aggression , and The Predator Mind.

2). The information flow is always the same, but many will not be able to process it fast enough to act upon it. A great deal has to do with proximity, but also what the individual’s perception of events is. The man on scene receives information first hand but may or may not understand it.

Were those shots?
Why are people running?
Where is the shooter?
What does he look like?
What can I do?
What will I do?

The more internal debate that takes place, the more one will talk themselves out of action and into submission or flight. And CCW folk are nothing special. They are everyday average people that happen to have a pistol with them, but their self-identity is no different from the fleeing masses of victims. Running to cover with everyone else and allowing someone “more qualified” is far more comfortable than doing the opposite of the herd, and I expect many will take the easy way out. And they likely have already prepared a myriad of “reasonable” excuses to justify themselves.

The flow of information for police may be different as they are receiving justification data on the radio. But at the risk of being labelled anti-police, I saw the same thing when I was on the job. Officers who had the shot, were justified ten times over, but failed to act. Society has not changed and police that come from that society will not be very different.

The officers that speed to the scene to kill the gunman are outliers in their field and likely passing by other officers that are somehow not moving as fast…or not taking the same direct route to contact…or are waylaid by victims and other things not directly involved in killing the gunman. That is human nature. Sometimes we get a perfect confluence of events with the outlier officer and the gunman and he is eliminated in minutes. Other times we get debacles like Broward County and Thousand Oaks. In my opinion, the conclusion will depend on who arrives on scene in time to act.

But what of the guys that are not already soul-snatching meat eaters, but want to be? Becoming that is not difficult if the will is there to do so.

First is understanding what you want to be and do. What is your self image? Are you just another armed but helpless victim, or are you the one that will interdict the active shooter? How do you see yourself? Decide now and engrave that deep in your mind. The rest will follow easily.





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Surprise! (Arbrey case)
« Reply #348 on: May 16, 2020, 01:13:09 PM »