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Elites go to Google summit in private jets, mega yachts to talk climate change
« Reply #1000 on: August 06, 2019, 06:24:49 AM »
A-listers flock to Google summit in private
jets, mega yachts to talk climate change

https://pagesix.com/2019/07/30/a-listers-flock-to-google-summit-in-private-jets-mega-yachts-to-talk-climate-change/

'Elites' Flock to Google Summit in 114 Private Jets, Mega Yachts to Talk Climate Change
http://humansarefree.com/2019/08/elites-flock-to-google-summit-in-114.html

They are gathering to strategize on how to limit the rights of ordinary people to use fossil fuels to better their lives.  Make sure you carve out exceptions for the elite.  Their meetings, their travel, their mansions and their AC are a little more important than yours.

HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF VIDEO CONFERENCING?
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Re: Pathological Science
« Reply #1001 on: August 06, 2019, 06:13:31 PM »
I certainly can see how the likes of Kate Perry who has sung stolen songs and claims she writes them
has the merits to help change the Earth's weather

she must be someone's girl friend

maybe Eric Schmidt who probably goes there though retired

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Pathological Science - "Global Temperature"
« Reply #1002 on: August 20, 2019, 09:13:04 AM »
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070315101129.htm
https://issuesinsights.com/2019/08/16/global-temperature-how-can-we-trust-a-statistic-that-might-not-even-exist/

"while it is possible to treat temperature statistically locally, it is meaningless to talk about a a global temperature for Earth. The Globe consists of a huge number of components which one cannot just add up and average. That would correspond to calculating the average phone number in the phone book. ...  it does make sense to compare the currency exchange rate of two countries, whereas there is no point in talking about an average 'global exchange rate'."
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A few years after the University of Copenhagen report was published, University of Guelph economist Ross McKitrick, one of the report’s authors, noted in another paper that “number of weather stations providing data . . . plunged in 1990 and again in 2005. The sample size has fallen by over 75% from its peak in the early 1970s, and is now smaller than at any time since 1919.”
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1653928

Not to mention biased adjustments to measured data...

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Michael Mann forfeits his case, won't release his pathological data adjustments
« Reply #1003 on: August 27, 2019, 06:42:46 AM »
British Columbia Supreme Courts ruled against the climate fraud Michael Mann and ordered him to pay his opponent's court costs.  The 30 day clock to appeal this ruling is ticking.

At issue, Dr. Tim Ball has said that "Michael Mann should be in the state pen not at Penn State", meaning the hockey stick graph is a fraud.  Mann sued for libel.  Ball asserted the truth defense.  Mann refused to release the data behind his work, Mann's R2 regression numbers, that either support the hockey stick graph or the fraud characterization.  Had Mann released the source data, it would be game over for the alarmism industry.  As one analyst put it, you can put baseball scores into Mann's climate model and get the hockey stick graph.

Two graphs, which one is right?



https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-08-26-climate-change-hoax-collapses-as-michael-mann-bogus-hockey-stick-graph.html
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/08/michael-mann-refuses-to-produce-data-loses-case.php
https://principia-scientific.org/breaking-news-dr-tim-ball-defeats-michael-manns-climate-lawsuit/
https://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/Mann-Ball%20Libel%20Claim.pdf
Mann's original paper:
https://www.nature.com/articles/33859.epdf?referrer_access_token=UcQMRAUPUscPRGtZ_nmN0tRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0PIU6928D7U3LQJxug20QYL9ESIIW5WxXKIhZdkFHPvJyCgGXYnBzO2iiIqbRp1deponI44NSXsWPHevD1owOCzy-M7seCPmAtP9uptNzLwM0cPBtAqbyWTRLYziB4QAcNUZppYicirN1qvEePdK7PXfPV0rWC3s1R_r-yu5jgaARXTHsmrZypQ4t2zgUOLblqSL4dO3ayXicSrBFhH94ERlk4rGXq0DDsogNi_Vg4Asw%3D%3D&tracking_referrer=blogs.scientificamerican.com

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Amazon fire greatly exaggerated
« Reply #1004 on: August 29, 2019, 02:23:18 PM »
https://patriotpost.us/articles/65114-a-burning-sensation-in-brazils-amazon

From looking at all the close ups of the forest that burning one would think the entire northern half of S America is going up in flames.

More fake news.
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fires worse in 90's
« Reply #1005 on: August 29, 2019, 02:46:28 PM »

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Re: fires worse in 90's
« Reply #1006 on: August 29, 2019, 02:54:47 PM »
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/brazil-amazon-rainforest-fires-climate-emissions-oxygen

due in part to deforestation

Well, global warming killed us all off around 2000, so we are ok.

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Europe doing great in reducing deforestation
« Reply #1007 on: August 30, 2019, 04:54:34 PM »
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/07/forest-europe-environment/

or not doing great?:

Boomer news says no:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-10/europe-is-dangerously-behind-on-deforestation-goals-idh-says

This is a perfect example of the total bullshit in the news about climate "change"
you can't believe anything

Europe tells Brazil it should stop the deforestation while they do it unmercifully.


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Atlantic hurricane category 5, trend?
« Reply #1008 on: September 05, 2019, 01:41:27 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_5_Atlantic_hurricanes

or just we are better at measuring them.
I remember growing up the weather forecasts were  more wrong then right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_5_Pacific_hurricanes


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"Experts Say...", 50 Years of Failed Doomsday, Eco-pocalyptic Predictions
« Reply #1009 on: September 18, 2019, 09:11:39 AM »
Image links preserve the actual news stories!

1967: ‘Dire famine by 1975.’
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/1_2.png
Salt Lake Tribune, November 17, 1967

1969: ‘Everyone will disappear in a cloud of blue steam by 1989.’
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/2_2.png
New York Times, Aug 10, 1969

1970: Ice age by 2000
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/3_2.png
Boston Globe, April 16, 1970

1970: ‘America subject to water rationing by 1974 and food rationing by 1980.’
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/4_1.jpg
Redlands Daily Facts, October 6, 1970

1971: ‘New Ice Age Coming’
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/5_0.png
Washington Post, July 9, 1971

1972: New ice age by 2070
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/6.png
NOAA, October 2015

1974: ‘New Ice Age Coming Fast’
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/8.png
The Guardian, January 29, 1974

1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life’
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/10.png
NASA

1980: ‘Acid Rain Kills Life in Lakes’
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/13_1.jpg
Noblesville Ledger (Noblesville, IN) April 9, 1980

Acid Rain No Environmental Crisis
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/14.png
Associated Press, September 6, 1990

1978: ‘No End in Sight’ to 30-Year Cooling Trend
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/15.png
New York Times, January 5, 1978

1988: James Hansen forecasts increase regional drought in 1990s
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/17.jpg
Miami News June 24, 1988
But the last really dry year in the Midwest was 1988, and recent years have been record wet.

1988: Washington DC days over 90F from 35 to 85
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/19.gif
Lansing Journal, Dec 12, 1988
But the number of hot days in the DC area peaked in 1911, and have been declining ever since.

https://cei.org/sites/default/files/20.png
Source: RealClimateScience.com

1988: Maldives completely under water in 30 years
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/21.png
Agence France Press, September 26, 1988

1989: Rising seas to ‘obliterate’ nations by 2000
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/22.png
Associated Press, June 30, 1989

1989: New York City’s West Side Highway underwater by 2019
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/23.gif
Salon.com, October 23, 2001

1995 to Present: Climate Model Failure

https://cei.org/sites/default/files/24.jpg
Source: CEI.org

2000: ‘Children won’t know what snow is.’
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/25.png
The Independent, March 20, 2000

2002: Famine in 10 years
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/27.png
The Guardian, December 23, 2002

2004: Britain to have Siberian climate by 2020
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/29.png
The Guardian, February 21, 2004

2008: Arctic will be ice-free by 2018
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/30.gif
Associated Press, June 24, 2008

2008: Al Gore warns of ice-free Arctic by 2013
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/31.png
Dec 14, 2008, COP15 Climate  Conference
But… it’s still there:

https://cei.org/sites/default/files/32.png

2009: Prince Charles says only 8 years to save the planet
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/33.png
The Independent, July 9, 2009

2009: UK prime minister says 50 days to ‘save the planet from catastrophe’
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/34.png
The Independent: October 20, 2009

2009: Arctic ice-free by 2014
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/35.png
USA Today, December 14, 2009

2013: Arctic ice-free by 2015
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/36.png
The Guardian, July 24, 2013

2013: Arctic ice-free by 2016
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/37.png
The Guardian, December 9, 2013

2014: Only 500 days before ‘climate chaos’
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/38.png

Planet still Standing 500 days after Climate Chaos Warning:
Washington Examiner, Sept 29, 2015

Ship with Climate Change Warriors caught in ice, Warriors evacuated
September 4, 2019
https://maritimebulletin.net/2019/09/04/ship-with-climate-change-warriors-caught-in-ice-warriors-evacuated/?via=
http://maritimebulletin.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/MALMO.jpg
"Arctic tours ship MS MALMO with 16 passengers on board got stuck in ice on Sep 3 off Longyearbyen, Svalbard Archipelago, halfway between Norway and North Pole. The ship is on Arctic tour with Climate Change documentary film team, and tourists, concerned with Climate Change and melting Arctic ice. All 16 Climate Change warriors were evacuated by helicopter in challenging conditions, all are safe. 7 crew remains on board, waiting for Coast Guard ship assistance.
Something is very wrong with Arctic ice, instead of melting as ordered by UN/IPCC, it captured the ship with Climate Change Warriors."

Fossil fuel powered ship rescued with fossil fuel powered aircraft.  'nuff said.
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Swedish actress scolds world leaders
« Reply #1010 on: September 23, 2019, 02:42:29 PM »
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/23/greta-thunberg-to-world-leaders-at-united-nations-how-dare-yougreta-thunberg-to-world-leaders-at-united-nations-how-dare-you/

I would have preferred this Swedish actress give the speech:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sZIwBa67xU

but alas she has escaped this Earth before the Climate catastrophe soons kills all life.

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addendum to above post
« Reply #1011 on: September 24, 2019, 07:43:00 AM »
Didn't know that Greta is diagnosed with mild autism spectrum disorder .

This would explain the nature of her emotions and mood during her speech.

I am sympathetic to her for that.

I am not sympathetic to the adults who are using her.

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Re: addendum to above post, Greta, how dare you...
« Reply #1012 on: September 24, 2019, 09:11:20 AM »
"I am not sympathetic to the adults who are using her."
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I am not sympathetic to the adults who are abusing her.

How many children suffer from anxiety and depression based on what they are taught about global warming and catastrophe?  How many don't marry, don't have children, don't buy houses because of that?  How many don't start businesses, invest for the long term, don't care about debt because of that?

Greta transcript:
https://www.kpbs.org/news/2019/sep/23/transcript-greta-thunbergs-speech-at-the-un/

She quotes dates and statistics with precision that were not calculated with any.

Not to Greta in particular, this is to her generation:  How dare you say you studied math, say you studied science, say you studied history and say you care about people and then tell us that a global government-run solution is the only and best way forward.

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Re: addendum to above post, Greta, how dare you...
« Reply #1013 on: September 24, 2019, 09:10:48 PM »
"I am not sympathetic to the adults who are using her."
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I am not sympathetic to the adults who are abusing her.

How many children suffer from anxiety and depression based on what they are taught about global warming and catastrophe?  How many don't marry, don't have children, don't buy houses because of that?  How many don't start businesses, invest for the long term, don't care about debt because of that?

Greta transcript:
https://www.kpbs.org/news/2019/sep/23/transcript-greta-thunbergs-speech-at-the-un/

She quotes dates and statistics with precision that were not calculated with any.

Not to Greta in particular, this is to her generation:  How dare you say you studied math, say you studied science, say you studied history and say you care about people and then tell us that a global government-run solution is the only and best way forward.

https://standpointmag.co.uk/issues/june-2019/gretas-very-corporate-childrens-crusade/


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Re: Pathological Science
« Reply #1014 on: September 25, 2019, 05:02:10 AM »
" .Trained by Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project"

wait, isn't he the guy who chases young massage therapists around the room with saliva running down his mouth?

"Green energy lobbyists use populist scare tactics and a children’s crusade to bypass elected representatives, but their goal is technocracy not democracy, profit not redistribution. Greta, a child of woke capitalism"

in my day it was getting "turned on" to (drugs) .  today the fad is "woke" to eco crap , the alphabet, Lbtsjueoendocnemm, socialism , f the rich, f the repbulicans, f the Christians and Jews, f the 2 amendment, f the electoral college, f anything that stands in our way ......etc.

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The 'green' corporate cabal behind Greta
« Reply #1015 on: September 25, 2019, 06:46:56 AM »
...
https://standpointmag.co.uk/issues/june-2019/gretas-very-corporate-childrens-crusade/

"Catherina Ringborg is also a member of green energy venture capital firm Sustainable Energy Angels."

   - Did people know the save the world crowd have venture capital firms?

"Rentzhog, he was the salaried chairman of a private think-tank owned by an ex-Social Democrat minister with a background in the energy sector. His board was stacked with powerful sectoral interests, including career Social Democrats, major union leaders, and lobbyists with links to Brussels. And his board’s vice-chair was a member of one of Sweden’s most powerful green energy investment groups."

   - How come folks like the Liz Warren types don't distrust THESE big corporate interests?

"When I asked Rentzhog if he had introduced Greta and her parents to other Global Challenge board members, he replied, “I don’t know, maybe I did, but if Svante says no, maybe it was not connected.”

"Wijkman leads the anti-growth Club of Rome."

   - The Anti-Growth Club of Rome??!!  Over here we just call it the "Democrat Party".

"Greta’s father Svante, who now devotes himself to managing her career,"

   - He what?? Quit his job to manage her career?  She's 16.  This is a career? Not a hobby, an interest, a passion, it's a career.  But we can't fact check her because she is a child?
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How did she get to New York?  One step ahead of the criticism of jets going to climate events, she sailed on a $4 million luxury racing yacht owned by the royal family of Monaco.  'carbon-free, except for ... '

Isn't that how an ordinary schoolgirl without handlers travels?
https://news.yahoo.com/cramped-basic-greta-thunbergs-voyage-york-163315047.html
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Path. Science, What Greta didn't read, IPCC, Dr. Mototaka Nakamura
« Reply #1016 on: September 25, 2019, 06:56:20 AM »
The UN IPCC, third report (2001):,

In climate research and modelling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible. (Chapter 14, Section 14.2.2.2. )]
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"These models completely lack some critically important  climate processes and feedbacks, and represent some other critically important climate processes and feedbacks in grossly distorted manners to the extent that makes these models totally useless for any meaningful climate prediction.

I myself used to use climate simulation models for scientific studies, not for predictions, and learned about their problems and limitations in the process."

   -  Climate Modeler Dr. Mototaka Nakamura. From 1990 to 2014 he worked on cloud dynamics and forces mixing atmospheric and ocean flows on medium to planetary scales. His bases were MIT (for a Doctor of Science in meteorology), Georgia Institute of Technology, Goddard Space Flight Centre, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Duke and Hawaii Universities and the Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and Technology. He’s published about 20 climate papers
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2019/09/a-climate-modeller-spills-the-beans/

Continued:
He projects warming from CO2 doubling, “according to the true experts”, to be only 0.5degC. He says he doesn’t dispute the possibility of either catastrophic warming or severe glaciation since the climate system’s myriad non-linear processes swamp “the toys” used for climate predictions. Climate forecasting is simply impossible, if only because future changes in solar energy output are unknowable.  As to the impacts of human-caused CO2, they can’t be judged “with the knowledge and technology we currently possess.”

Other gross model simplifications include

# Ignorance about large and small-scale ocean dynamics

# A complete lack of meaningful representations of aerosol changes that generate clouds.

# Lack of understanding of drivers of ice-albedo (reflectivity) feedbacks: “Without a reasonably accurate representation, it is impossible to make any meaningful predictions of climate variations and changes in the middle and high latitudes and thus the entire planet.”

# Inability to deal with water vapor elements

# Arbitrary “tunings” (fudges) of key parameters that are not understood

Concerning CO2 changes he says,

I want to point out a simple fact that it is impossible to correctly predict even the sense or direction of a change of a system when the prediction tool lacks and/or grossly distorts important non-linear processes, feedbacks in particular, that are present in the actual system …

… The real or realistically-simulated climate system is far more complex than an absurdly simple system simulated by the toys that have been used for climate predictions to date, and will be insurmountably difficult for those naïve climate researchers who have zero or very limited understanding of geophysical fluid dynamics. I understand geophysical fluid dynamics just a little, but enough to realize that the dynamics of the atmosphere and oceans are absolutely critical facets of the climate system if one hopes to ever make any meaningful prediction of climate variation.

Key model elements are replete with “tunings” i.e. fudges. Nakamura explains how that trick works

The models are ‘tuned’ by tinkering around with values of various parameters until the best compromise is obtained. I used to do it myself. It is a necessary and unavoidable procedure and not a problem so long as the user is aware of its ramifications and is honest about it. But it is a serious and fatal flaw if it is used for climate forecasting/prediction purposes.

One set of fudges involves clouds.

Ad hoc representation of clouds may be the greatest source of uncertainty in climate prediction. A profound fact is that only a very small change, so small that it cannot be measured accurately…in the global cloud characteristics can completely offset the warming effect of the doubled atmospheric CO2.

Two such characteristics are an increase in cloud area and  a decrease in the average size of cloud particles.

Accurate simulation of cloud is simply impossible in climate models since it requires calculations of processes at scales smaller than 1mm.” Instead, the modellers put in their own cloud parameters. Anyone studying real cloud formation and then the treatment in climate models would be “flabbergasted by the perfunctory treatment of clouds in the models.

Nakamura describes as “moronic” the claims that “tuned” ocean models are good enough for climate predictions. That’s because, in tuning some parameters, other aspects of the model have to become extremely distorted. He says a large part of the forecast global warming is attributed to water vapor changes, not CO2 changes. “But the fact is this: all climate simulation models perform poorly in reproducing the atmospheric water vapor and its radiative forcing observed in the current climate… They have only a few parameters that can be used to ‘tune’ the performance of the models and (are) utterly unrealistic.” Positive water vapor feedbacks from CO2 increases are artificially enforced by the modelers. They neglect other reverse feedbacks in the real world, and hence they exaggerate forecast warming.

The  supposed measuring of global average temperatures from 1890 has been based on thermometer readouts barely covering 5 per cent of the globe until the satellite era began 40-50 years ago. “We do not know how global climate has changed in the past century, all we know is some limited regional climate changes, such as in Europe, North America and parts of Asia.”  This makes meaningless the Paris targets of 1.5degC or 2degC above pre-industrial levels.

He is contemptuous of claims about models being “validated”, saying the modellers are merely “trying to construct narratives that justify the use of these models for climate predictions.” And he concludes,

The take-home message is (that) all climate simulation models, even those with the best parametric representation scheme for convective motions and clouds, suffer from a very large degree of arbitrariness in the representation of processes that determine the atmospheric water vapor and cloud fields. Since the climate models are tuned arbitrarily …there is no reason to trust their predictions/forecasts.

With values of parameters that are supposed to represent many complex processes being held constant, many nonlinear processes in the real climate system are absent or grossly distorted in the models. It is a delusion to believe that simulation models that lack important nonlinear processes in the real climate system can predict (even) the sense or direction of the climate change correctly.
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Pathological Science - Ooops, Ocean warming retraction, Nature magazine
« Reply #1017 on: September 27, 2019, 04:04:01 PM »
Nature is retracting a 2018 paper which found that the oceans are warming much faster than predicted by previous models of climate change.

... quickly drew the attention of an influential critic who said the analysis was flawed.

The authors withdrew the paper and said, we'll get back to you:
"The authors agreed, and within three weeks the paper received the following update:

We would like to alert readers that the authors have informed us of errors in the paper. An implication of the errors is that the uncertainties in ocean heat content are substantially underestimated. We are working with the authors to establish the quantitative impact of the errors on the published results, at which point in time we will provide a further update.
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https://retractionwatch.com/2019/09/25/nature-paper-on-ocean-warming-retracted/
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0651-8#change-history
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Meanwhile, the [false] narrative is out there, the oceans are warming faster than predicted, despite a fourfold increase in uncertainty.



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Warning: Glaciers Melting 1939, "Catastrophic Collapse"
« Reply #1018 on: September 27, 2019, 07:02:47 PM »


“All the glaciers in Eastern Greenland are rapidly melting,” the Harrisburg [Pennsylvania] Sunday Courier reported on Dec. 17, 1939.
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/13966113/climate_change_in_1939/
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Unprecedented?

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Re: Warning: Glaciers Melting 1939, "Catastrophic Collapse"
« Reply #1019 on: September 27, 2019, 08:13:40 PM »
Global warming caused WWII!!!!1111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :cry:




“All the glaciers in Eastern Greenland are rapidly melting,” the Harrisburg [Pennsylvania] Sunday Courier reported on Dec. 17, 1939.
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/13966113/climate_change_in_1939/
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Pathological Science - Jimmy Carter, 1977, Out of oil in 10 years
« Reply #1021 on: October 03, 2019, 07:35:38 AM »
"Tonight I want to have an unpleasant talk with you.  ...except for preventing war, the greatest challenge of our lifetime."

The only solution is to shut off the lights, turn down the heat, shut off the AC - and stay home.  "The alternative could be a national catastrophe."

“The oil and natural gas we rely on for 75 percent of our energy are running out.”
“Unless profound changes are made to lower oil consumption, we now believe that early in the 1980s the world will be demanding more oil than it can produce.”
“World oil production can probably keep going up for another six or eight years. But some time in the 1980s it can’t go up much more. Demand will overtake production. We have no choice about that.”
We can’t substantially increase our domestic production…”
“Within ten years we would not be able to import enough oil—from any country, at any acceptable price.”
“If we fail to act soon, we will face an economic, social and political crisis that will threaten our free institutions.”

   - Jimmy Carter, 1977, not exactly a visionary, but he was right that under his policies, if allowed to continue, we would soon be a disaster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=bbNFKgNoWc0
https://fee.org/articles/jimmy-carter-and-the-energy-crisis-that-never-happened/

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odds on favorite for the political correct Nobel Prize
« Reply #1022 on: October 03, 2019, 07:57:01 AM »

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Path. Science, European cities sunk beneath rising seas by 2020
« Reply #1024 on: October 04, 2019, 09:36:00 AM »
Notable & Quotable: Climate Change c. 2004
‘Major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a ‘Siberian’ climate by 2020.’
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver?mod=article_inline
https://www.wsj.com/articles/notable-quotable-climate-change-c-2004-11570142794?mod=article_inline
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Can you believe then President Bush was denying the certainty of this Pentagon report leaked to the opposition press?

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Re: Path. Science, European cities sunk beneath rising seas by 2020
« Reply #1025 on: October 04, 2019, 07:53:42 PM »
Notable & Quotable: Climate Change c. 2004
‘Major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a ‘Siberian’ climate by 2020.’
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver?mod=article_inline
https://www.wsj.com/articles/notable-quotable-climate-change-c-2004-11570142794?mod=article_inline
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Can you believe then President Bush was denying the certainty of this Pentagon report leaked to the opposition press?

Wow! We don't have much time left!



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Spiraling out of control warming interrupted, -44 F October in Utah
« Reply #1028 on: November 01, 2019, 08:01:22 AM »
This of course proves nothing - except that warming is not global and not spiraling out of control.

Coldest 'ever'.

https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/10/30/utah-sees-record-cold-of-43-6-of-may-be-lowest-october-temperature-ever-recorded-in-continental-u-s/

It will be far more dangerous to find out the sun or the earth is cooling.


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They were altering sea level data too. No rise in a century, Indian Ocean
« Reply #1030 on: December 11, 2019, 04:47:19 PM »
Correct info for Indian Ocean here:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41748-017-0020-z

Conclusion
The reconstructed tide gauge records of Aden, Mumbai and Karachi are perfectly consistent with multiple lines of evidence from other key sites of the Indian Ocean including Qatar, Maldives, Bangladesh and Visakhapatnam. The sea levels have been stable since the start of the twentieth century in Aden similar to Karachi and Mumbai.  [Who knew?  Where is the glacier melt-off going?]

This scandal was previewed 50 years ago on television:
https://gilligan.fandom.com/wiki/Quick_Before_It_Sinks


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Re: oh my God - reparations for "climate change", global venezuela
« Reply #1032 on: December 16, 2019, 04:55:49 PM »
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/15/u-n-anger-as-u-s-australia-lead-revolt-against-climate-demands/

If you are a hammer, every problem is a nail.  Same with global tax on 'the wealthy' if you are the UN or any of its member Kleptocracies. 

Whatever they say it is - that is not what it will be once it gets going.

Like everything else, tax wealth and you will get less of it.  Is that what we want?

Just ask Democrats, prosperity is the answer to climate change.  All their ideas cost hundreds of trillions of dollars.  We better get this country rich. Fast.  And same for the rest of the world.  Maybe we should put an emergency global mandate of freedom and free enterprise on all of them - to save the planet.

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Pathological Science - Last day to enjoy Britain, plunging into Siberia
« Reply #1033 on: December 31, 2019, 08:02:44 AM »
What is the matter with these people.  The phenomenon is only political because of exaggeration, and because everything they propose to do about involves totalitarianism.
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver
A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020.

   - Good thing they "obtained" the "suppressed report", or else we wouldn't have had any notice this was coming.

Or did they "suppress" it because it was hogwash?
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Reminds me of my business.  People say, "I will have the rent on Friday."  What they don't seem to know is that on Friday I will know if that was true.

In the case of climate, they try to keep the emphasis on the end of the century - making everyone  old enough to have a little perspective irrelevant to the discussion.

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Re: Pathological Science - Last day to enjoy Britain, plunging into Siberia
« Reply #1034 on: December 31, 2019, 08:12:17 PM »
Counting the minutes until the end of the world. Or 2020. Whichever comes first.



What is the matter with these people.  The phenomenon is only political because of exaggeration, and because everything they propose to do about involves totalitarianism.
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver
A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020.

   - Good thing they "obtained" the "suppressed report", or else we wouldn't have had any notice this was coming.

Or did they "suppress" it because it was hogwash?
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Reminds me of my business.  People say, "I will have the rent on Friday."  What they don't seem to know is that on Friday I will know if that was true.

In the case of climate, they try to keep the emphasis on the end of the century - making everyone  old enough to have a little perspective irrelevant to the discussion.

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Re: Pathological Science, Apocalypse Never
« Reply #1035 on: August 03, 2020, 08:40:41 AM »
Who knew?

https://reason.com/2020/08/01/the-global-environmental-apocalypse-has-been-canceled/
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According to these activists and politicians, humanity is beset on all sides by catastrophes that could kill off civilization, and maybe even our species. Are they right?

Absolutely not, answers the longtime environmental activist Michael Shellenberger in an engaging new book, Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All. "Much of what people are being told about the environment, including the climate, is wrong, and we desperately need to get it right," he writes. "I decided to write Apocalypse Never after getting fed up with the exaggeration, alarmism, and extremism that are the enemy of positive, humanistic, and rational environmentalism." While fully acknowledging that significant global environmental problems exist, Shellenberger argues that they do not constitute inexorable existential threats. Economic growth and technological progress, he says, can ameliorate them.

Shellenberger's analysis relies on largely uncontroversial mainstream science, including reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the Food and Agriculture Organization. And as a longstanding activist, Shellenberger is in a good position to parse the motives behind the purveyors of doom.   ...
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Read it all.
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"On behalf of environmentalists everywhere, I would like to formally apologize for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years," he wrote in an essay to promote his new book. "Climate change is happening. It's just not the end of the world. It's not even our most serious environmental problem."
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"(1) human being are not causing a "sixth mass extinction," (2) the Amazon rainforests are not the "lungs of the world," (3) climate change is not making natural disasters worse, and (4) fires have declined 25 percent around the world since 2003."
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"no strong trends in floods, tropical cyclones, or tornadoes have been identified."
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"the number of people who die in natural disasters annually has dropped by 99 percent since the 20th century peak in 1931. World population has nearly quadrupled over that period of time."
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"a 2018 study in Earth's Future points out that the "area burning in recent years is a small fraction of what burned prior to the 1920s." Even in 1930 and 1931, more than 50 million acres of wildlands burned, compared to the recent high of 10 million acres burned in 2015."
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"while the amount of land devoted to agriculture has increased 8 percent since 1961, the amount of food produced in that space has increased 300 percent. Meanwhile, the amount of land devoted to raising the livestock we use for meat has "declined by an area nearly as large as Alaska." "
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"the acreage devoted to power transmission—coal, natural gas, and nuclear power plants, plus mines, wells, and waste storage currently occupy just over 3,000 square kilometers (just under 1,200 square miles) of U.S. land"
"the wind and solar components of the proposed infrastructure would occupy more than 600,000 square kilometers (about 232,000 square miles). That is just a bit smaller than Texas."
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"Solve poverty, Shellenberger says, and problems like species extinction, rainforest deforestation, natural disaster risks, wildfires, rising sea levels, and food insecurity become tractable."
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"he founded Environmental Progress, which campaigns for, among other things, the deployment of clean modern nuclear power."
[Good idea!]

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Pathological Science rant
« Reply #1036 on: August 19, 2020, 08:07:44 AM »
The forum is nicely divided into distinct and overlapping topics but some of the most interesting observations happen with when phenomena cross over seemingly unrelated topics.

"Experts" have lied to us, embellished, exaggerated, "adjusted" the data, hid the decline, banned dissent, etc for decades now on catastrophic anthropogenically-caused catastrophic (redundancy intentional) global warming that threatens to kill the earth and all the species who inhabit it.  We caught them red-handed lying and manipulating in their own emails and in their own behaviors and words and yet we tolerate this BS in all our greatest institutions from our politics to our media to the Nobel Prize to K-12 to all of higher education.  Facts be damned.  [And today we close our windows because it's too cold out in mid-August.]

In 2020 we started the Covid experience with estimates out of London and all the American universities and research centers that exaggerated everything bad to do with covid, wrong by factors of ten to one hundred fold. cf. death rates, death totals, etc.  On those errors we made personal and policy decisions that shut down the local, state, national and global economies doing immeasurable personal, fiscal, cultural and societal harm.  The discoveries of these errors is met with a global yawn.  "Didn't everyone get it wrong?"  Why is that acceptable?  Who makes estimates based on no one making any adjustment to the news of a global pandemic??

I would just like to note the connection.  The failure to bring the liars of CAGW down off their pedestal is related to the mess we are in now.  We lie about economics.  We lie about the weather.
 Now we lie about health.  Fake news is the norm.  Destruction of our economy and society are the consequences.  Wise man said, 'plan accordingly'.
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Pathological Science now includes COVID
« Reply #1037 on: August 21, 2020, 09:09:37 AM »
Children are big spreaders of COVID?

https://www.massgeneral.org/news/press-release/Massachusetts-general-hospital-researchers-show-children-are-silent-spreaders-of-virus-that-causes-covid-19

https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(20)31023-4/fulltext

3) Another Fake Hype Anti-School Media Cycle
 
You saw it everywhere yesterday: "Mass General Study Shows Children Are Silent Spreaders"
 
This time it wasn't even just the media's fault; Mass General itself put out a mendacious press release that drove this latest anti-school hype cycle.
 
But the study itself -- which they forgot to even *link to* in the press release -- well, it's embarrassing for a once-great hospital.
 
To begin with, the press release failed to mention that the paper expressly says "transmissibility was not assessed in this study." Oops.
 
It's all speculation based on viral load and ignoring the now vast body of empirical evidence. A redux of Drosten paper that got savaged in Germany and slammed by every major medical society before Germany went ahead and reopened schools.
 
But it's even worse than that. "Children ages 0-22 years participated in this study."  What the heck?  22-year old children?
 
And how many potential "silent spreaders" are among the 49 age 0-22 "children" in this study? "Of the 11 asymptomatic children presenting for SARS-CoV-2 testing based on exposure to an infected individual rather than symptoms, 3 (27%) tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 infection."
 
That's three.
 
This is science?
 
In Sweden 1.8 million school children went to school every day with no social distancing or masks, right through the peak and fall of the epidemic. What happened there?
 
"We found no additional impact of co-residing with children, even though Swedish schools have remained open for children below age 16 throughout the pandemic. This result does not support hypotheses of children as major transmitters of SARS-CoV-2."
 
https://su.figshare.com/articles/preprint/Residential_Context_and_COVID-19_Mortality_among_the_Elderly_in_Stockholm_A_population-based_observational_study/12612947/1
 
We'll take the real-world data from 1.8 million kids under 16 over three "kids" up to age 22.
 
What is the agenda here? The anti-schoolers are mounting a campaign to keep schools closed and the media is always ready for another anti-school hype cycle.
And these are the same people who endlessly lecture us about how liberals care about “the children.”

http://click1.e.freedomworks.org/ViewMessage.do?m=yvmqfskb&r=rncclcjtgv&s=hnmfcvcclsgcwhmslmqfjplfgpghgvprfww&q=1598022900&a=view

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Re: dems now support nuclear energy - or is this head fake?
« Reply #1041 on: August 26, 2020, 08:42:45 AM »
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertbryce/2020/08/23/after-48-years-democrats-endorse-nuclear-energy-in-platform/#3e9d265f5829

Famous people caught reading the forum.  How can CO2 be an existential threat and the number one source of carbon-free energy be banned?  And then deny they want to shut down the economy.  How do we pay for wind and solar, free healthcare, free college, free daycare, universal comfortable income, free housing, free internet, free food, free transportation, did I miss anything they demand of us? 

Electric cars are carbon-free, if they stay without charge in your garage.  But the minute you plug it into the wall it connects to coal, natural gas etc.  Every additional solar panel and wind turbine installed adds to the carbon footprint - for the what, 60% of the time those intermittent sources are not producing.  They want the whole transportation sector added to the grid.  What grid?  The one we have now?  Build a new one?  Keyword one.  We want one weak point attacked or failed to take down everything.  I want more than one way of heating my home in case of failure or outage,more than one way of getting to work, etc.  They want central power, central control.

These electric cars (and air conditioners, thermostats and everything else) are capable of being controlled centrally.  Has any freedom loving conservative thought that might be a bad idea?  The totalitarians on the Left finally support bigger power and bigger grid?  I wonder what they have in mind for it? 

Final question before I applaud their new enlightenment, if they were so wrong for so long (48 years!) on nuclear power, what else might they be wrong about?

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solar panel waste
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