The Nat Geo Documentary on the Dog Brothers: Fight Club

[Scotty Dog]

thanx for the chance to have rolled with C-Scotty Dog . . .

The honour was mine bro 

So for us non US people, can we have a run down of who/what was on the show?

(Did the Kilt Make the cut  )

[rickn]

You guys looked great in high definition!  The big difference in HD was seeing real blood versus Hollywood blood in the movies.  I noticed that the two anti-pack shrinks were from northeastern universities.

Since I do not participate in martial arts, I saw the program as a non-interested party.  I thought that it portrayed Dog Brothers in a very positive light.  The last two segments really pulled together the theme of the pack helping each other to progress in the discipline in order to be ready to defend land, food, family etc.  That theme made the eastern shrinks' criticism irrelevant since they seemed to be criticizing their own preconceptions of what they think you are rather than who you are.

However, the induction ceremony looked a little bit like the final scene in the original Star Wars movie without light sabers and without the princess in the low cut dress.   

The show is another good reason for the pack to be proud.

[Mad Scientist]

Dude that was totally awesome!  Everything about it was awesome... production, fights, well-spoken interviews.  Hats off to a job well done. 

[Crafty_Dog]

Tail wags for the kind words everyone. 

Here's this on Dr. Addis
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http://www.clarku.edu/academiccatalo...ybio.cfm?id=92


Quote:
Dr. Addis is currently interested in theory and research related to men's mental health. His recent work is focused on links between masculine gender socialization and responses to problems in living, including help-seeking behavior, substance abuse, and variations in the ways mental health problems are perceived and characterized. ....Dr. Addis teaches courses in the psychology of learning, men and masculinity, psychological ethics, and assessment. 

He has his own webpage
http://michaeladdisphd.com/


Quote:
Cultural expectations for men

Our society creates expectations for men and women that affect how we think, feel, and behave. These expectations can have a powerful effect on how we experience, express, and respond to problems in life. For many men, the expectation that they be strong, stoic, successful, and self-reliant influences the way they cope with problems in life. This can also make it difficult for professionals and close others to recognize in men such problems as depression, anxiety, grief, substance abuse, and other significant life stresses.

Some common cultural expectations for men in the U.S. include:

- Not taking emotional problems too seriously
- Being financially successful
- Handling problems on your own
- Being physically strong
- Keeping control of emotions
-"Performing" sexually

Recent research indicates that:

Men who adhere more closely to these expectations may be at greater risk for substance abuse, depression, marital difficulties, and a range of other problems.  Men who adhere more closely to these expectations may be less likely to seek help for a range of mental health problems when they experience them.

[sting]

Interesting read.  I agree.  Men that don't adhere to that list won't have marital problems.

[PhilipG]

I really wish that I had been able to make it. Looks like it was a lot of fun. Boy, has it evolved since the early days!

I didn't get to see the show yet but the promos looked great.

Maybe next time, creak creak.

[prentice crawford]

Woof,
 I know this show will bring a new surge of interest and attention to Dogbrothers.com, the first set of Real Contact Stickfighting tapes and hopefully this forum. I would reccomend that anyone new to the site, consider joining the DBMMA and take advantage of the discounts that are offered on equipment and tapes as well as having access to the members only vid lessons and the members only forum. It will really give you a jumpstart into the world of Dogbrothers.
                           P.C.

[Crafty_Dog]

Sled Dog!

Awesome to have you with us Brother!

The Adventure continues!
CD

[PhilipG]

Thanks for the welcome Crafty Dog,

Lost my login info and had to do it again.

[Dog Pound]

A friend of mine (a young wife and mother who does not practice martial arts) wrote the following about her impression of the show.  I thought it worth sharing:

I thought they portrayed the Dog Brothers very and only positively. 

First, I give them kudos for featuring a topic/culture that few people outside of this group probably know about (until now, anyway). 
 
I would loosely typify this group as something between a quasi martial arts alternative and a "no holds barred" therapy session.  As I think about it -- it's very hard to define this group b/c it is many different things to its participants. For some, edgy exercise.  For some, rituals.  For some, self-accomplishment.  "Dog Fighters" is a slight misnomer.  It's the invitation, not the party.

It was good that the editors focused in early on the honor code during fights, as if to influence the viewer in a direction of thinking "these are not your father's rough-edged barfighing misfits".

The entire group structure & culture seems VERY well honed & thought out.  I got the sense that the friendships & culture in this group runs very, very deep.  Almost as if men come to this group to exorcise a very large life demon that only their fighter brethren can help them achieve.

I finished the show with a true sense of what this group is about: a cross-cut of men who chose a very alternative but noble competition.  Modern day, sanitized gladiators.

There also will be a part of society that sees this just for what it is: a refined, millienium-esque fighting group -- nothing more, nothing less. 

I really appreciated that they portrayed  "thinking" men, professional men, emerging men, developed men & vulnerable men.  The "everyman".  There was no hint at cro-magnon or dumb street fighter, although some of the guys dabbled with a need for something "more" in an age of rule-heavy, clean sports.  The balance of participants was enlightening - both in age & life experience.

Of course, leave it to a science channel to insert needless psycho babble!

Why DO producers feel the need to qualify EVERYTHING with humanists itching to equate this to....I don't even know WHAT they were trying to equate it to b/c their "specialists" were really grabbing at dead air the entire show.  They sounded so unsure of what they were trying to define.  I kept thinking, "SHUT UP & get back to the show." 

Finally, I suspect interest in this group will skyrocket & that National Geo will do a follow-on to this piece in the next year or 2.  I could see a WHOLE season or series on this.  Very timely.

As you can see, I was very intrigued by the show (I'm re-viewing it on Sat. night & insisting Erik watch it, too).   But, beyond that...it was really good to see you grabbing life, firmly. 

Stay safe, warrior.

Shelly

[prentice crawford]

Woof,
 Now, that's a review!
            P.C.

[Crafty_Dog]

C-DP:

I like your friend.

CD

[PhilipG]

As things happen, we don't get the same National Geographic programming in Canada as you do there. I have been looking for a site that I could down load it from but have come up empty in  my search.

Can anyone guide me to an available source?

Thank You

Sled Dog

[sting]

If you don't get the National Geographic channel, consider upgrading your package for one month.  Then, the cost of seeing the show is something like $5-10.  Some providers can make the switch in minutes (DISH satellite).  Comcast seems to need a few days.

[PhilipG]

Thats just it, I do get the National Geographic Channel, only they don't have the same schedule here as the US version.

I have emailed the channel here to inquire if they would be airing at any time soon.

Thanks for the suggestion, though.

[Howling Dog]

Woof Sled dog, I live in Ohio and its being replayed here tonite at 10pm ET
Does that help?
                                          TG

[MikeDKrabiKrabong]

Just finished watching the special, and it put a smile on my face.  Great to see the exposure to the art, sport, and the Dog Brothers.  Was watching with some friends, and we all disagreed a bit with the "psychologist's", and as always- were happy to hear the EXACT thoughts and words of Marc Crafy Dog. He is truly an ambassador of the sport and the arts.  For me, I found them when I went to the other side of the world and met a guy named "Salty Dog" (Arlan) while I was training in a temple in Thailand, who told me of "the gathering". A full contact stick fight - with punching, kicking, and whatever - near my home town,  I knew then that it was for me.  I have attended some years, and some not - on occasion  life overwhelms us with injuries, children, family problems, or duty - but I tell you this, I wake thinking of the fight, and I go to sleeping thinking of the fight - It is amazing how such a small few minutes can live on your mind and soul forever.

For me, it is a chess game filled with adrenaline, challenge, and a clarity of focus that I just do not find in my day to day battle of life. At that moment, so much and so little goes through my head - but all only about that moment. The drive and the body, and the stick just take over.

Some of us have trained very hard at an art or skill, and for a long time.  This is really the only way to truly test "this thing" we have, with conviction - and WITHOUT having to go to jail or actually take a life.

Injuries, insurance bills, breaks, tears, bumps and bruises - are not what I seek, but it is a sometimes small cost of doing this game. My mother always asked me "Michael - why do you like to try hurt people so much or risk getting hurt yourself, and I tell her;  it is not the hurting I like, it is the surviving and wining that drive me.  When the fight is done - we dont need anyone to raise a hand or give a trophy....It is an HONOR and the love of the BROTHERHOOD and doing "this thing" with the man in front of you that we seek. We all know how we did, where we were were perfect, and where we "got caught".  It is a give and take business. Some days you give, and some days you take.  But I always learn, appreciate, and gain another brother in this path I walk.  I have never had so many strangers - as brothers - until this thing.  It is good that people like us meet on paths like this. From the first time of raising a stick to accept in the park, to a warehouse in El Segundo - hobbling out the door - I hold these moments as some of my most alive in this journey.

Marc, Eric, Arlan - the boyz - THANK YOU .........and look foreward to seeing you all soon

WOOF

MIKE DELIO - SCRAPPY DOG   

[Maxx]

Tomarrow I have the day off so I am gonna watch it!

[Dog Pound]

We had a pot luck at my house today mostly for friends who don't get the Nat Geo.  About 25 friends from various circles showed up.  We projected the show on a wall (the picture was maybe 10' x 6') a great way to watch it.  It was an enlightening event for all.  Most of them had never seen anything like it and even though I have told them about it, they apparently didn't have a clue until that moment.

A lot of conversation was generated.  I had a good cross-breeding discussion with one of my Doce Pares sparring partners about our differences and how sparring each other has benefited both of us in our respective venues.  A pastor/artist friend of mine talked about the phenomena of the tribe's self policing of the philosophical under-pinning.

Most everyone understood it - that is most of them understood most of it (and mainly that you have to be little crazy to do this).  No one really understood Sisco.  There was a lot of head scratching and things said like, "If he doesn't like to ... then why ... but he's a good fighter so ... then why doesn't he ... "  My answer to all such questions is (in my friend Shelly's words), it is "as if men come to this group to exorcise a very large life demon that only their fighter brethren can help them achieve."  yea, that's why.

[Scotty Dog]

Finally got to see it over the weekend.

Props to everyone interviewed on the show, you did the tribe proud.

It was great to see all the fights, and it has really got me excited about going back over again this year.

(I can't believe they left out the "swish of the Kilt" though    )

[PhilipG]

Found a download site. Doing it now.

Thanks

[Crafty_Dog]

URL?

[Maxx]

Just saw it a couple hours ago and that was pretty damn cool! Great stuff!
I would like to download it as well.

[sting]

I get a lot of "ripped" shows (mostly from Satellite boxes using PVRExplorer) using a combination of binsearch.info and Newsleecher software.  Couldn't be easier.   The problem is that most of the premium content is encrypted, so most HD shows and Nat Geo aren't made available. 

I was the DB documentary on one of the bit torrent sites, but I wasn't able to access the torrent even after registering.  Hmmm.  Prof G, what's your source ?

[PhilipG]

I downloaded from the "MMA Tracker" site.

It was through an invitation that I got on.

Actually the initial avi file was corrupted or something (I just got a pixilated window and a subsequent player crash) but I put it through a file format changer (ffmpegX) and it cleaned up enough so I could watch it.

[Sheep Dog]

Sled Dog,

Was it from mma-tracker.net? If so what is the direct link to the tracker, I have an account. Thx.

Sheep Dog

[Matt Tucker]

Finally got to see it over the weekend.

(I can't believe they left out the "swish of the Kilt" though    )

Ho did you see it pray tell.......

[Scotty Dog]

I have my ways 

[Scurvy Dog]

Ho did you see it pray tell.......

He showed what was under his kilt and apparently it was enough to see the show.   

[PhilipG]

Sheep Dog,

Yes it was MMA Tracker.net.

I don't know how to give the direct link but to find it I went to the "Browse" section, highlighted "other" under sport, and "TV Show" under type. Was directed to the list.

It was under this title: Fight.Club.No.Limits.01.26.2008.XviD

[Scotty Dog]

Ho did you see it pray tell.......

He showed what was under his kilt and apparently it was enough to see the show.   

Dude, in those spandex shorts, what was under the kilt, felt Like the show 

[Crafty_Dog]

http://boards.historychannel.com:80/thread.jspa?threadID=700025864

[Maxx]

http://boards.historychannel.com:80/thread.jspa?threadID=700025864

This guy "HipTosser" made me laugh at his final comment.

"NO Im just saying this is a cry baby board full of martial artist who watch a show called human weapon but only want slap and tickle and bitch about everything " - Hiptosser

[C-Kumu Dog]

Ive checked out some of the other Martial Art forums and well most of the stuff they complain about is silly. I think they need to watch Poi Dog's youtube clip.

[Scurvy Dog]

Can you provide links to these boards? I find these comments amusing. Thanks! 

[C-Kumu Dog]

This link will take you to other topics

"http://boards.historychannel.com/forum.jspa?forumID=800000065"

I started to read the topic "I've got to say I don't like Fight Quest" and people complained about how physical the shows were and blah blah blah... well I dunno.

To each their own... there are some decent threads but you have to dig for them...

[sting]

Hey guys,

Thanks for posting the comments.  The controversy is excellent publicity for Marc, so let's help him out.  99.9% of the comments posted on the public boards will be derisive, mostly because those willing to post do so for the pleasure of the taunt.  I think it would be a great idea for anyone that has fought at a Gathering to refrain from countering these taunts.  First and foremost, more controversy = more publicity for Marc.  When the comments are generated by outsiders,  media producers take note.   Second, it's both fascinating and leveling to read what the general public thinks of the Gathering.  In the end, fighting martialists know the truth.  The rest will never understand.  As Marc says, they should just watch.

Gints

[Maxx]

Hey guys,

Thanks for posting the comments.  The controversy is excellent publicity for Marc, so let's help him out.  99.9% of the comments posted on the public boards will be derisive, mostly because those willing to post do so for the pleasure of the taunt.  I think it would be a great idea for anyone that has fought at a Gathering to refrain from countering these taunts.  First and foremost, more controversy = more publicity for Marc.  When the comments are generated by outsiders,  media producers take note.   Second, it's both fascinating and leveling to read what the general public thinks of the Gathering.  In the end, fighting martialists know the truth.  The rest will never understand.  As Marc says, they should just watch.

Gints

Gints..Half of that show on Nat Geo was you smashing though people. It should have been called "Gints and the men he crushes." lol     The last guy you fought had some real heart..He looked scared but he pulled though. Good show!

[sting]

The show was on the phenomenon of the Gathering.  The documentary was awesome, but, in complete agreement of Marc's description of the editing stage, I do wish they included longer fight clips. A "behind the scenes" segment would also be cool to watch.   

[Maxx]

Behind the scenes would have been cool or even a "Getting to Know the Brothers" I thought it was awesome none the less. Can you buy it on Dvd?

[Crafty_Dog]

The Nat Geo piece is now up on youtube!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qRCO9ZsYGDA&feature=user

[michael]

The Nat Geo piece is now up on youtube!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qRCO9ZsYGDA&feature=user

That's awesome! I've been wanting to watch it again. It was very well done, except for the sissy psycho-babble from the talking heads.

[sting]

That's awesome! I've been wanting to watch it again. It was very well done, except for the sissy psycho-babble from the talking heads.

I think that the words of the academics are important.  They stimulate controversy by presenting another opinion.  Yes, they are guilty of syllable inflation, but otherwise, I enjoyed hearing their remarks.  They offer the perspective of the ivory towers that shape the academic minds of tomorrow, like it or not.  Should we expect them to completely understand our motivations?  Did any of us understand the Gathering before we fought?  I didn't.

[unstpabl1]

http://boards.historychannel.com:80/thread.jspa?threadID=700025864

Marc,

Thanks for posting it on youtube. I posted links to it on WT and the Krav forum  The more I listen to you talk. the more sense you make. You outreasoned the talking heads

[Crafty_Dog]

Thank you.

What is the URL for the discussion on the Krav forum?

[C-Kumu Dog]

While checking my google mail, this message popped up in the sponsered links section.

Dog Brothers Martial Arts - www.dogbrothers.com - As seen on National Geographic Fight Club: No Limits