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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #850 on: June 30, 2020, 06:22:56 AM »
Two part plan:
1) Conservative principles explained - [No one takes the time to do that.]  For example, the free enterprise system lifted more people out of poverty than any and all others combined. 
2) Liberal dogma answered.  That's what's missing in K-12, our liberal colleges and the one sided mainstream media.  Every
 Leftists assertion needs to be answered.  Dividing Americans into groups is - divisive.  Equality of outcome isn't the a path to prosperity.  Employment requires employers.  Profits serve an important purpose, move resources to their most valued use.  Capping wealth doesn't lift up the poor. Smearing the police doesn't make us safer.  Minimum wage laws don't spread wealth. 
Coming back to fill these in.  Competition, not regulation, is what drives down costs.  Being American doesn't prevent the laws of economics from applying to us.  Drive out investment and workers suffer.  Drive out the private sector and the public sector loses necessary financing.  Enact the policies of the Venezuelan revolution and the results that happened there happen here.

I would like to come back to fill these in.

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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #851 on: June 30, 2020, 07:02:59 AM »
"Conservative principles explained - [No one takes the time to do that.]  For example, the free enterprise system lifted more people out of poverty than any and all others combined."

" Every
 Leftists assertion needs to be answered. "

YES.
AGREE 100 %

every time Biden and fellow mobsters promise to regulate give more away control open borders our side has to have the answers ready at the tip of their tongues from local , state to national pols.

Yet we are not all on board with the same message and often unprepared.
We need Dinesh D'Souza like articulation or VDH like

Trump has the oratory skills , but sadly , I don't think he has the intellectual capacity to do this.
He can make grand statements about " big " and "beautiful" and "this country will never be socialist" and the other side are a bunch of assholes
liars "scumbags", but he never really makes the case.   

Ingraham last night was saying how she believes Biden will NOT debate Trump now the polls have him ahead.
That means Trump is going to have to go out and make the case with out  a head to head debate if that belief becomes reality .

I am probably nauseating everyone on this board with my pessimism but 4 yrs later I think it is obvious what we are going to get.
Like Andrew McCarthy pointed out , Trump does not seem to realize how slim he won in '16.  It really was by a pubic hair. The same game plan is not going to work this time - just won't.  But he keeps doing the same.

Yes he had good record on economy but you know the old saying - "what are you going to do for now"




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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #852 on: July 01, 2020, 04:38:59 AM »
The third piece of the puzzle is to organize.  No one can point to one voice, one source for direction from our side or rapid response, so Trump's tweet fills that void.  Instead of taking away Trump's tweet, build some better.

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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #853 on: July 01, 2020, 04:51:42 AM »
ccp:  "I am probably nauseating everyone on this board with my pessimism"

   - You have a credibility that comes from your (brutal) honesty. IMHO.

With polls the way they are and the 2018 losses, it shouldn't be hard to persuade Republicans to play like they're behind late in the 4th quarter.

I don't want to (just) win "Trump's reelection".  I want to win the larger war for hearts and minds.

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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #854 on: July 01, 2020, 05:09:02 AM »
"I don't want to (just) win "Trump's reelection".  I want to win the larger war for hearts and minds."

I do believe we win the ideological/practical arguments.

But the Left wins on emotion and short term bribery (longer term it does not work) .

I don't know why Trump could not simply have worn a mask to set and example
Of course we needed to re open the economy but of course we needed to continue distancing and masks
but he did not

and of course Bill Gates is up there on CNN yadda yadda yaddying about how right he was/is etc. and the the split screen of all the DNc/CNN people nodding like bobble heads with phony very stern concerned smug faces .

All so frustrating and unnecessary.





 










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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #855 on: July 01, 2020, 05:51:42 AM »
"I don't know why Trump could not simply have worn a mask to set an example"

   - He didn't want that to be the image of his Presidency.

"and of course Bill Gates is up there on CNN yadda yadda yaddying about how right he was/is etc. and the the split screen of all the DNc/CNN people nodding like bobble heads with phony very stern concerned smug faces."

   - Trump shut down flights from China Feb 1, minutes after China/W.H.O. admitted the problem.  No one else would have done that.

The right action would have been to shut down flights from China AND from every place (Europe) that did not shut down their flights from China.  The right timing was months earlier in hindsight but we did not have that information or justification back then.

Another right action would have been to have stockpiles of sanitizers and good masks.  His predecessor left him depleted but he can't fully blame them because it was year four of his presidency.

WHO let us down.  CDC let us down.  Homeland Security let us down.  FDA let us down.  UN let us down.  'Smart' government planning with mass transit, urban density and nursing homes for the elderly let us down.   So the lesson learned is to turn further to the people who put their trust in Big Government agencies and international organizations?  I don't follow that.  The real lessons learned comes from G M posts here.   Gun sales are up.  Don't count on government for safety, for security.  Don't trust the food supply.  Buy your own masks and disinfectants before the crisis, and before the next crisis. Distance between neighbors is good.  Private transportation will always be needed.  Stay away from mobs.  Don't give the government or anyone else all your information - or all your money - or any of your trust.

If the government even had a savings account with your social security, your retirement money in it, they just blew it in the first month of the crisis.  Quoting someone here, plan accordingly.  My point of this is to vote for the person or party who called out adversaries like China and deep state agencies who have none of our interests in mind and started to take action on that.  It wasn't Bill Gates, or Biden.  So much more needs to be done before we let them screw it all up again. 

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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #856 on: July 01, 2020, 06:16:20 AM »
". - He didn't want that to be the image of his Presidency."

but now we have the image of him being a hard ass not wearing a mask

and the numbers going up due to people refusing to wear masks and distance

which is worse?


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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #858 on: July 01, 2020, 07:33:54 AM »
". - He didn't want that to be the image of his Presidency."

but now we have the image of him being a hard ass not wearing a mask

and the numbers going up due to people refusing to wear masks and distance

which is worse?

Don't know.  Here is Jon Huntsman campaigning (not winning):


I'd be happy with a campaign performed on the written word if we can't see their face, but Biden writes none of his own words, except his mis-speaks.

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Sec. State Pompeo
« Reply #859 on: July 17, 2020, 07:30:10 PM »
Pompeo Takes On the Politicization of Human Rights
He defends the spirit of 1776 and 1948 and has harsh words for the New York Times ‘1619 Project.’

By Walter Russell Mead
July 16, 2020 1:14 pm ET

The Twitter mobs aren’t going to like the Commission on Unalienable Rights’ report, which the State Department released Thursday. The commission, chaired by longtime Harvard legal scholar Mary Ann Glendon, contradicts virtually every element of the new political orthodoxy.

To say, as the commission does, that property rights are a necessary basis for any meaningful concept of human rights is to break so many taboos that one hardly knows where to start. To claim in addition that religious liberty is among the foremost of human rights, that America’s founding was the most significant event in the history of human rights, and that national sovereignty is human rights’ most important defender is, for many human-rights activists, the worst kind of blasphemous trumpery.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who convened the commission and asked his former professor to lead it, doubled down on the combative and incendiary nature of the report. “Our rights tradition is under assault,” he said Thursday. “The New York Times’s ‘1619 Project’ . . . wants you to believe that our country was founded for human bondage.”

The contention that U.S. history is simply a story of oppression is “Marxist ideology,” he told his audience in Philadelphia. “The Chinese Communist Party must be gleeful when they see The New York Times spout this ideology.”

“This is a dark vision of America’s birth,” Mr. Pompeo continued. “It’s a disturbed reading of history. It is a slander on our great people.”

Though both he and the commission report acknowledge the dark sides of U.S. history, Mr. Pompeo summarized their central contention about America’s role in the global fight for human rights in nine memorable words: “America is special. America is good. America does good.”

The Commission on Unalienable Rights advances three main ideas. First, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights adopted by the United Nations in 1948, though it reflected a global consensus, was shaped to an extraordinary degree by the values of the U.S. founding, and by America’s long struggle to live up to those values.

Second, progress on human rights comes not from transnational bodies or “global governance,” but from the efforts of sovereign nation states to follow America’s example by attempting to conform their practices to the noble idea of liberty. Bolstering the sovereignty of nation-states is, he and the report argue, necessary to secure human rights.

Third, successful human-rights diplomacy requires a concentrated focus on the relatively small number of rights that are recognized by a genuinely global consensus. In 1948 the U.N. consulted with philosophers and others from many non-Western as well as Western cultures. In the final product, the Universal Declaration restricted itself to the rights that found support all around the world. That consensus in turn gives the declaration its legitimacy. To human-rights activists looking to expand the list of universal rights—for example to include same-sex marriage—these arguments sound hopelessly reactionary. A 60-page report that praises property rights but does not mention trans people can expect some harsh blowback.

In a phone interview Wednesday, Mr. Pompeo defended the commission’s approach. For him, a growing disconnect between some human-rights advocates and the principles and history of American engagement with human rights undermines domestic U.S. support for rights-based diplomacy—and reduces the efficacy of such diplomacy overseas. If American history is reducible to racism, and the principles of the Declaration of Independence are simply high-toned hypocrisy, why should other countries pay attention to U.S. human-rights advocacy?

The argument Mr. Pompeo and the commission want to make is two-edged. Against many contemporary activists, it upholds a limited concept of unalienable, God-given rights grounded in sovereign nation-states. This approach offers more opportunity for constructive diplomacy. Identifying issues where more respect for the rights enumerated in the Universal Declaration can enhance a country’s security and advance its development opens the door to rights advocacy that is less confrontational and more successful. The opportunities around the world are numerous. Requirements for transparent law courts can reassure foreign investors. Universal basic education can forge a better-qualified workforce.

Simultaneously, Mr. Pompeo and the commission want to argue that an approach to human rights based on the Universal Declaration is not some malign construction by anti-American globalists that must be resisted, but a natural expression and extension of U.S. values. Human-rights advocacy along these lines, the argument runs, is as American as apple pie—and something that even Jacksonian populists can embrace.

Given the passions of the moment, the Unalienable Rights Commission report is likely to spend the next few months as a political football. But it is a thoughtful and carefully reasoned document that may serve as an important landmark in future debates. Incendiary centrism has its uses.

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bravo to RB
« Reply #861 on: July 21, 2020, 06:21:58 AM »
red bull takes no bull...

it is austrian company

makes me want to switch from my daily zero calorie Monster energy drink to RB! 

bravo!


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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #862 on: July 28, 2020, 10:25:08 AM »
Working on bumper stickers for the election season:

Federal Government Racist?
De-fund it.

More?

Cancel the constitution?
Fugetabout your right to abort.
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never trumper noonan speaks the choice
« Reply #863 on: August 02, 2020, 09:46:20 AM »
vote for Trump and the conservative national interest or vote against him and see the Rep. Party get crushed along with the future of the country:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/burn-the-republican-party-down-11596149482?mod=djemalertNEWS

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Re: never trumper noonan speaks the choice
« Reply #864 on: August 02, 2020, 03:21:06 PM »
vote for Trump and the conservative national interest or vote against him and see the Rep. Party get crushed along with the future of the country:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/burn-the-republican-party-down-11596149482?mod=djemalertNEWS

Thanks ccp.  She doesn't write with the clarity she once had writing for Pres. Reagan.  By the end I wondered, what exactly is she saying, to whom?

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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed - Uncle Tom Movie
« Reply #865 on: August 25, 2020, 04:44:21 PM »
I noticed Hershel Walker gave credit to the movie 'Uncle Tom' with Larry Elder, Candace Owens, Herman Cain and other black conservatives for helping with his political conversion.

https://uncletom.com/   $20.
code 'larry' gets 20% off, but they add $8 dvd shipping handling and state tax.  No fee for 'on demand' viewing.





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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #869 on: September 22, 2020, 09:02:29 AM »
Far out 8-)