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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #850 on: June 30, 2020, 06:22:56 AM »
Two part plan:
1) Conservative principles explained - [No one takes the time to do that.]  For example, the free enterprise system lifted more people out of poverty than any and all others combined. 
2) Liberal dogma answered.  That's what's missing in K-12, our liberal colleges and the one sided mainstream media.  Every
 Leftists assertion needs to be answered.  Dividing Americans into groups is - divisive.  Equality of outcome isn't the a path to prosperity.  Employment requires employers.  Profits serve an important purpose, move resources to their most valued use.  Capping wealth doesn't lift up the poor. Smearing the police doesn't make us safer.  Minimum wage laws don't spread wealth. 
Coming back to fill these in.  Competition, not regulation, is what drives down costs.  Being American doesn't prevent the laws of economics from applying to us.  Drive out investment and workers suffer.  Drive out the private sector and the public sector loses necessary financing.  Enact the policies of the Venezuelan revolution and the results that happened there happen here.

I would like to come back to fill these in.

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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #851 on: June 30, 2020, 07:02:59 AM »
"Conservative principles explained - [No one takes the time to do that.]  For example, the free enterprise system lifted more people out of poverty than any and all others combined."

" Every
 Leftists assertion needs to be answered. "

YES.
AGREE 100 %

every time Biden and fellow mobsters promise to regulate give more away control open borders our side has to have the answers ready at the tip of their tongues from local , state to national pols.

Yet we are not all on board with the same message and often unprepared.
We need Dinesh D'Souza like articulation or VDH like

Trump has the oratory skills , but sadly , I don't think he has the intellectual capacity to do this.
He can make grand statements about " big " and "beautiful" and "this country will never be socialist" and the other side are a bunch of assholes
liars "scumbags", but he never really makes the case.   

Ingraham last night was saying how she believes Biden will NOT debate Trump now the polls have him ahead.
That means Trump is going to have to go out and make the case with out  a head to head debate if that belief becomes reality .

I am probably nauseating everyone on this board with my pessimism but 4 yrs later I think it is obvious what we are going to get.
Like Andrew McCarthy pointed out , Trump does not seem to realize how slim he won in '16.  It really was by a pubic hair. The same game plan is not going to work this time - just won't.  But he keeps doing the same.

Yes he had good record on economy but you know the old saying - "what are you going to do for now"




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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #852 on: July 01, 2020, 04:38:59 AM »
The third piece of the puzzle is to organize.  No one can point to one voice, one source for direction from our side or rapid response, so Trump's tweet fills that void.  Instead of taking away Trump's tweet, build some better.

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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #853 on: July 01, 2020, 04:51:42 AM »
ccp:  "I am probably nauseating everyone on this board with my pessimism"

   - You have a credibility that comes from your (brutal) honesty. IMHO.

With polls the way they are and the 2018 losses, it shouldn't be hard to persuade Republicans to play like they're behind late in the 4th quarter.

I don't want to (just) win "Trump's reelection".  I want to win the larger war for hearts and minds.

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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #854 on: July 01, 2020, 05:09:02 AM »
"I don't want to (just) win "Trump's reelection".  I want to win the larger war for hearts and minds."

I do believe we win the ideological/practical arguments.

But the Left wins on emotion and short term bribery (longer term it does not work) .

I don't know why Trump could not simply have worn a mask to set and example
Of course we needed to re open the economy but of course we needed to continue distancing and masks
but he did not

and of course Bill Gates is up there on CNN yadda yadda yaddying about how right he was/is etc. and the the split screen of all the DNc/CNN people nodding like bobble heads with phony very stern concerned smug faces .

All so frustrating and unnecessary.





 










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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #855 on: July 01, 2020, 05:51:42 AM »
"I don't know why Trump could not simply have worn a mask to set an example"

   - He didn't want that to be the image of his Presidency.

"and of course Bill Gates is up there on CNN yadda yadda yaddying about how right he was/is etc. and the the split screen of all the DNc/CNN people nodding like bobble heads with phony very stern concerned smug faces."

   - Trump shut down flights from China Feb 1, minutes after China/W.H.O. admitted the problem.  No one else would have done that.

The right action would have been to shut down flights from China AND from every place (Europe) that did not shut down their flights from China.  The right timing was months earlier in hindsight but we did not have that information or justification back then.

Another right action would have been to have stockpiles of sanitizers and good masks.  His predecessor left him depleted but he can't fully blame them because it was year four of his presidency.

WHO let us down.  CDC let us down.  Homeland Security let us down.  FDA let us down.  UN let us down.  'Smart' government planning with mass transit, urban density and nursing homes for the elderly let us down.   So the lesson learned is to turn further to the people who put their trust in Big Government agencies and international organizations?  I don't follow that.  The real lessons learned comes from G M posts here.   Gun sales are up.  Don't count on government for safety, for security.  Don't trust the food supply.  Buy your own masks and disinfectants before the crisis, and before the next crisis. Distance between neighbors is good.  Private transportation will always be needed.  Stay away from mobs.  Don't give the government or anyone else all your information - or all your money - or any of your trust.

If the government even had a savings account with your social security, your retirement money in it, they just blew it in the first month of the crisis.  Quoting someone here, plan accordingly.  My point of this is to vote for the person or party who called out adversaries like China and deep state agencies who have none of our interests in mind and started to take action on that.  It wasn't Bill Gates, or Biden.  So much more needs to be done before we let them screw it all up again. 

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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #856 on: July 01, 2020, 06:16:20 AM »
". - He didn't want that to be the image of his Presidency."

but now we have the image of him being a hard ass not wearing a mask

and the numbers going up due to people refusing to wear masks and distance

which is worse?


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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #858 on: July 01, 2020, 07:33:54 AM »
". - He didn't want that to be the image of his Presidency."

but now we have the image of him being a hard ass not wearing a mask

and the numbers going up due to people refusing to wear masks and distance

which is worse?

Don't know.  Here is Jon Huntsman campaigning (not winning):


I'd be happy with a campaign performed on the written word if we can't see their face, but Biden writes none of his own words, except his mis-speaks.