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Re: more evidence the dowager is readying for the run
« Reply #400 on: December 14, 2019, 03:00:20 PM »
https://unsavoryagents.com/?p=6805

Sabo's brilliant take on Hillary. (Content warning-NSFW or those who vomit easily)


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/shes-baaaaaaack-is-this-new-photo-of-hillary-radiant-or-terrifying/

I don't understand why all these people have face jobs that make them look freakish.

If freakish better then appearing aged?

She could go after the younger vote and get a tongue barbell and a tattoo that says bubba on her upper thigh.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #401 on: December 14, 2019, 03:27:38 PM »
https://unsavoryagents.com/?p=6805

holy cow !  she already has "tats"

did she get an extra tear for the epstein hit?

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #402 on: December 14, 2019, 08:52:53 PM »
" .Is her strategy to see to it that no one wins on the first round at the convention?"
Good question.
I don't know the rules

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I don't know either and the rules change from time to time but I believe that after a certain number of ballots, maybe one, the delegates are free to vote for anyone they want.

Wouldn't HRC as the nominee be a dream come true for the President?

I don't see it, Hillary being nominee, but I was deeply wrong last time so I'll just watch and see.  I don't see it with any of the others either.  There was nothing Presidential about any of the losers, McGovern, Dukakis, Dole?, Kerry, McCain, etc.  Trump too I suppose if he hadn't won.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #403 on: December 14, 2019, 11:39:21 PM »
My understanding is after the first round, the delegates are free to vote as they wish.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #404 on: December 15, 2019, 04:11:16 AM »
Here is my prediction:  I believe Trump will win with a larger margin than he did the first time, and the Republicans will take back the house and possibly increase their majority in the Senate.  Once again, the mainstream media is completely detached from the sentiment among average Americans about this impeachment sham.  Many independents and Democrats will, I believe, vote for Trump this time around.
"You have enemies?  Good.  That means that you have stood up for something, sometime in your life." - Winston Churchill.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #405 on: December 15, 2019, 07:06:08 AM »
My understanding is after the first round, the delegates are free to vote as they wish.

The first sign of a contested convention is that the rules themselves will be hotly contested.  Also the platform fights will indicate strengths and weaknesses of the various sides.

'Superdelegates' don't vote in the first round; they jump in starting in the second.. 

https://ballotpedia.org/Democratic_delegate_rules,_2020

I've been to a number of contested state conventions.  As the delegates are released to vote as they wish, delegates and candidates watch the counts and momentum for their next move.  Presumably the the second place of Sanders or Warren will drop out and endorse the other for example.   That in theory puts them ahead of Biden as it sits today but not to a majority, so then other dynamics come into play.  Do they align in two factions? More than two? 

The motive of most delegates in most conventions is to leave there united behind one person because beating the other side is a higher priority than winning this fight.  Hard to believe that won't be true here as this unfolds, but the uglier it gets, the better it is for Trump.

The idea that these delegates jump to someone who didn't enter the contest,after all those debates, primaries and votes at all - is possible but a reach hard to imagine.



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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #406 on: December 15, 2019, 07:15:37 AM »
Here is my prediction:  I believe Trump will win with a larger margin than he did the first time, and the Republicans will take back the house and possibly increase their majority in the Senate.  Once again, the mainstream media is completely detached from the sentiment among average Americans about this impeachment sham.  Many independents and Democrats will, I believe, vote for Trump this time around.

My predictions aren't very good but this scenario is VERY possible.  Even if true we will still be a badly divided country.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #407 on: December 15, 2019, 10:47:38 AM »
Objectivist's prediction may well come to pass IMHO, but we are too far out to rest easy.

"The idea that these delegates jump to someone who didn't enter the contest,after all those debates, primaries and votes at all - is possible but a reach hard to imagine."

In Hillary's case she can make the case "You already know me and I have already won.  Choose me and I will beat him again , , , or you can choose one of these putzes who have already proven themselves unworthy."

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #408 on: December 15, 2019, 12:08:23 PM »
In Hillary's case she can make the case

"You already know me
   - Crooked, Net negative

and I have already won.   - Didn't even go to Wisconsin after trusting her with everything.

Choose me and I will beat him again   - 304-227.  President Hillary?  See previous.

choose one of these putzes who have already proven themselves unworthy.   - True but not unifying.

30 States already went Trump over Hillary.  He was a better President than expected.
20 states won by Hillary.  She was a worse loser than expected.  Just blamed Bernie for her loss.

"Hillary, we're tired of hearing about your damn emails."   - Bernie Sanders, 2016

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #409 on: December 15, 2019, 09:56:50 PM »
Look, I get her argument is wrong, I'm just saying it is what it is and is just the sort of rationalization that Dem delegates and super delegates could decide to believe, particularly given the alternatives.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #410 on: December 16, 2019, 06:05:31 AM »
Look, I get her argument is wrong, I'm just saying it is what it is and is just the sort of rationalization that Dem delegates and super delegates could decide to believe, particularly given the alternatives.

Agreed.  I was trying to refute that from a Dem-delegate point of view.  It was them she let down, big time. A new face, and I don't mean from a plastic surgeon, has a better chance than a proven loser.

I think the Clinton machine is gone, the Foundation is gone, most of their extortion on backers has past the statute of limitations.
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It was a turning point for Democrats the day successful two term, swing state, Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper decided to tell the gathering and televised audience about taking his mother to see Deep Throat, instead of sticking to how he started a successful micro brewery and revitalized the warehouse district of downtown Denver.  Now we have a failed South Bend mayor, and former Burlington mayor, as the highest candidates with governing experience.  Sure crime and racial tension went up, but how 'bout that new utility billing system?
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Commision on Presidential Debates
« Reply #411 on: December 18, 2019, 08:06:11 AM »
Trump opposes :

https://bongino.com/trump-slams-commission-on-presidential-debates-warns-the-debates-are-up-to-me/

and frankly I never even heard of the CBD:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Presidential_Debates

interesting the debates that are so influential though totally flawed
are controlled by people most of us have never heard of or even know exist.  -  at least I did not know this/them.

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Re: Commision on Presidential Debates
« Reply #412 on: December 18, 2019, 08:56:30 AM »
Trump opposes :

https://bongino.com/trump-slams-commission-on-presidential-debates-warns-the-debates-are-up-to-me/

and frankly I never even heard of the CBD:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Presidential_Debates

interesting the debates that are so influential though totally flawed
are controlled by people most of us have never heard of or even know exist.  -  at least I did not know this/them.

How do we avoid the Candy Crowley moment that swung the Obama reelection?  The moderators last time were competing to make a name for themselves.  Trump (I think) has the only idea, no moderators, just time keepers.



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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #413 on: December 18, 2019, 08:58:27 AM »
woops I meant CPD

not "CBD"

 :-o


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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #414 on: December 18, 2019, 09:01:40 AM »
"How do we avoid the Candy Crowley moment that swung the Obama reelection?  The moderators last time were competing to make a name for themselves.  Trump (I think) has the only idea, no moderators, just time keepers."

YEs . what a great idea
the candidates have only designated times where they bring up the topics and debate each other during that time
though i could imagine them . esp. Trump screaming over each other but maybe that would be a good approach

who needs "moderators"

just a bunch of peacocks trying to advance their careers.
anyway and all partisan

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2020 Presidential election, anyone but Klobuchar, please
« Reply #415 on: December 20, 2019, 09:08:20 AM »
A minute ago her only positive claim was Midwest appeal and she was running 5th in Iowa and at zero in Wisconsin.

Her debate performances have been weak, her charisma is at zero and her experience level is so-so.

But her long awaited takedown of Pete Buttigieg this week was very good.
http://www.startribune.com/what-people-are-saying-about-klobuchar-s-debate-performance/566373661/

Given the negatives listed above, Klobuchar will be the hardest candidate for Trump to run against - because there is nothing there to run against.   - Besides that everyone who ever worked for her hated her.
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Obama's opinion
« Reply #418 on: December 23, 2019, 05:44:58 AM »
"Obama on Forked Tongue Lizzy"

lets see
what does the world's most interesting man think?   :roll:

we basically know he thinks anyone with a socialist agenda who could win is his pick - behind the scenes though in public he is holding his cards
playing coy .


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Bloomberg has tech IT company to take on Republicans
« Reply #419 on: December 24, 2019, 05:44:08 AM »
apparently with some FB personnel

From the Daily Caller off the Bongino Report page:

https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/23/bloomberg-elections-campaign/

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Re: Bloomberg has tech IT company to take on Republicans
« Reply #420 on: December 24, 2019, 05:55:35 AM »
apparently with some FB personnel

From the Daily Caller off the Bongino Report page:

https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/23/bloomberg-elections-campaign/

Can he buy charisma?  Can he buy erasure of his stop and frisk policies?  He can't buy an election; he can't even buy a sixteen ounce soda.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election, Buttigieg, minorities, education
« Reply #421 on: December 24, 2019, 06:58:50 AM »
Dem gaffe is when they are caught telling the truth:

https://news.grabien.com/story-buttigieg-2011-kids-lower-income-minority-neighbourhoods-don

“Kids” from “lower income, minority neighborhoods” don’t have “someone they know personally who testifies to the value of education.” - Pete Buttigieg, 2011 South Bend Mayoral Candidate

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2020 Presidential. Top Ten Winners of the 2019 Democrat Dropout Contest
« Reply #423 on: December 28, 2019, 01:54:54 PM »
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2019/12/26/2020-presidential-campaign-dropouts-ranked-089675
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Spoiler, Kamala Harris wins:  "By bowing out of the presidential race before the voting started, Harris avoided the painful spectacle of a potentially humiliating loss in Iowa, and she limited the number of enemies she made in the primary field. As one of the few women of color who have won statewide elections, she will likely be on the short list of running mates for the eventual presidential nominee, especially if the nominee is a white man. She could also be a candidate for attorney general in a Democratic administration."
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Sooooooooo, if I have this right, she showed good political instincts by dropping out before she scored zeros in the early contests?  And that means her good brand name is still intact??  Only in the Democrat party.


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Re: 2020 Presidential election - Ed Steyer, what's wrong with this?
« Reply #424 on: December 28, 2019, 04:41:58 PM »
 - First name intentionally left wrong.  It's not my job to get his name out there.
 - Coal billionaire runs for President on a platform of ending fossil fuel use.  Go figure.
 - Spending hundreds of millions on early ads in not-early states ...
 - ad topic:  Term Limits.  Polls better than climate change.
 - If successful, term limits would make the deep state and lobbyists more powerful than elected officials.
 - Term limits is one of very few proposals where the President has no power in the matter.
 - He is compelled to run because all of the other Democrats running agree with him on climate change.
 - 330 million people have still never said, "Hey, what do you think of Steyer?"

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2020 Pres:, Iowa Caucus winner = Dem nominee, last 4 times
« Reply #425 on: January 02, 2020, 01:15:46 PM »
In the last four open Democratic presidential contests, the Iowa winner has gone on to become the party’s nominee.

Current Iowa leaderboard: 1. Buttigieg. 2. Sanders, 3. Biden, 22-20-19 (basically a 3-way tie).

Iowa Caucuses are Feb 3, 2020

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-6731.html
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3044261/us-2020-election-key-dates-will-americans-give
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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #426 on: January 02, 2020, 04:34:20 PM »
" .current Iowa leaderboard: 1. Buttigieg. 2. Sanders, 3. Biden, 22-20-19 (basically a 3-way tie)."

one is worse then the other
For some reason while I have strong distaste for Biden and Sanders this Butti guy ( sorry I mean person)  irritates me the most with his over the top smugness
and arrogance

reminds me exactly like Obama

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #427 on: January 02, 2020, 04:40:42 PM »
Openly homosexual, unlike Obama.


" .current Iowa leaderboard: 1. Buttigieg. 2. Sanders, 3. Biden, 22-20-19 (basically a 3-way tie)."

one is worse then the other
For some reason while I have strong distaste for Biden and Sanders this Butti guy ( sorry I mean person)  irritates me the most with his over the top smugness
and arrogance

reminds me exactly like Obama

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #428 on: January 03, 2020, 04:04:21 PM »
Openly homosexual, unlike Obama.


" .current Iowa leaderboard: 1. Buttigieg. 2. Sanders, 3. Biden, 22-20-19 (basically a 3-way tie)."

one is worse then the other
For some reason while I have strong distaste for Biden and Sanders this Butti guy ( sorry I mean person)  irritates me the most with his over the top smugness
and arrogance

reminds me exactly like Obama

First gay is not as exciting as being half black but he certainly is using gay as a qualification.  For us to assume that will hurt his chances in the general election is probably a mistake, but he still is a white male of privilege.

Didn't Obama just admit that he couldn't put the coalition together again either with the excitement level of 2008 - that none of these people can put together now.  Policies that lead to economic and societal failure aren't that exciting again after we just got through trying them and hating them.  Cash for clunkers, Solyndra, shovel-ready jobs, keep your doctor!  It's all just a bad joke now; no one can make it sound exciting - compared to real accomplishments like lowest black and Hispanic unemployment rates ever, millions off of food stamps and quadrupling the wage growth rate.

Not all blacks are excited to vote for Butti.  So far, almost none are. Frankly, blacks among others, are tired of the Democrat promise.  Not all Muslims are going to support a gay nominee, and not all gays will support a Marxist - or whatever we call him.  He only looks moderate in comparison with Sanders and Warren and he admits he wants to win all the same things, just incrementally. 

He is the son of a Marxist Professor, studied Leftism in college and hasn't  lived enough economic life to shift his views rightward - as people do when they gain experience and take responsibility.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pete-buttigiegs-father-was-a-marxist-professor-who-lauded-the-communist-manifesto

His military experience is a plus in this field, but he makes no claim that was at a leadership level.  His years as mayor and his years in military overlap.  Too bad to be so young that you have to exaggerate your (little but of) experience. 

Speaking of life experiences, in his own words he just recently started dating.  He is a teenager on that level - with his first boyfriend.

What happened to the two term governors of swing states in this field...  Oh well.

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Buttgig's military resume?
« Reply #429 on: January 03, 2020, 04:12:36 PM »
Exactly what did he do?  He was Air Force?  A driver on a base for an AF general?  Or?

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Re: Buttgig's military resume?
« Reply #430 on: January 03, 2020, 04:41:33 PM »
Exactly what did he do?  He was Air Force?  A driver on a base for an AF general?  Or?

Navy Intel, if I recall correctly.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #431 on: January 03, 2020, 06:15:33 PM »
Let's see if we can find a proper citation on this.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #433 on: January 03, 2020, 10:02:43 PM »
Thank you.



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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #436 on: January 05, 2020, 08:48:19 AM »
and the daughter of a janitor , , ,  :roll:

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how can one be behind a computer screen on the other side of the world
« Reply #437 on: January 05, 2020, 10:16:48 AM »
while still being a mayor?

"According to the documents, Buttigieg served in the Afghanistan Threat Finance Cell (ATFC) in Kabul, placing him in “an imminent danger pay area” from late March to mid-September 2014, while the then-32-year old was still serving his first term as mayor."

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/442082-documents-provide-glimpse-into-buttigiegs-military-service

"But out on the campaign trail, Buttigieg has talked about the 119 times he says he crossed “outside the wire,” leaving the relative safety of the base as a vehicle commander on convoy security detail in dangerous parts of Kabul."

Sounds a bit like Hillary spicing up the intrigue of danger more than reality

Another person who has been running for President the day he was born



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Re: how can one be behind a computer screen on the other side of the world
« Reply #439 on: January 06, 2020, 09:13:25 AM »
while still being a mayor?

"According to the documents, Buttigieg served in the Afghanistan Threat Finance Cell (ATFC) in Kabul, placing him in “an imminent danger pay area” from late March to mid-September 2014, while the then-32-year old was still serving his first term as mayor."

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/442082-documents-provide-glimpse-into-buttigiegs-military-service

"But out on the campaign trail, Buttigieg has talked about the 119 times he says he crossed “outside the wire,” leaving the relative safety of the base as a vehicle commander on convoy security detail in dangerous parts of Kabul."

Sounds a bit like Hillary spicing up the intrigue of danger more than reality

Another person who has been running for President the day he was born

I give Butti full credit for his military service.  Yes he was mostly sitting at a desk analyzing data, not carrying or shooting a gun, but what he did was just as valuable in a war zone.  Same for my dad serving Patton's army in a first medical response unit at German battle sites and liberated concentration camps.

My question of Butti or anyone running for President, how many levels below Commander in Chief was that? 

To his further credit, I have not heard him overplay that experience, assuming what he is saying on the stump is true.

My cousin went from analyzing war data in Vietnam to first director of water quality at the epa, analyzing pollution data.  The math is the same and maybe he was the best at both.  That does not mean that he or Butti would be a great or a bad President.

I see no evidence of great policy analysis or design from Butti in this campaign - or in his small town governance.  Smart guy, we are told, where is his health plan or tax plan or poverty plan with ideas we have not seen at this level?   His gut reaction to events as they unfold seems no better than bottom-of-the-class Biden, faked-her-credentials Warren, or prefers-the-Soviet-system Sanders.

Run of the mill Leftists, the data does not support their positions.

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2020 Presidential, A strong incumbent against a weak field of challengers
« Reply #440 on: January 07, 2020, 03:07:46 PM »
Are you better off today than you were 4 years ago?  - often asked in reelection contest.

I would add this question:  Was this 4 years better than the previous 8?  Relevant because, especially with Biden, the ghost of Obama is underlying this year's choice.

Trump is upside down in most approval polls but is certainly a stronger candidate now than he was in 2016 when he won the electoral college handily.  Those are all adults polls.   Likely voter polls lean more toward even and part of Trump's vote is projected to come from people on the 'disapprove' side.  Conditions and events seem to also be falling in his direction in spite of impeachment and continuous msm negativity.

There is only one debate and a few short weeks before voting begins in Iowa.  Super Tuesday is only two months out.  Yes, a lot can happen, but what?  For whom?

The Dem field has really narrowed to 3 at this point, Biden, Bernie and Buttigieg.  Think about that.  The labels come easy.  Biden is a bumbler.  Bernie is a socialist, and Buttigieg is young, inexperienced and brings nothing new or special to the table, other than his sexual orientation.

The field is weak because of Obama's flawed governance.  Under Obama, Democrats lost the House, lost the Senate, lost the Governorships, lost the State Legislatures and lost his successor.  That leaves a weak bench, understatement.  There weren't enough Hickenloopers to find a good one.

Candidate Obama picked Biden as a known bumbler but somehow was a safe, known choice that cost him no votes.  In his VP debate, Sarah Palin looked awkward repeating the script of her McCain handlers while Biden got away with being wrong on everything of importance.  At the top of the ticket, he won't get away with being wrong on everything.

Bernie leads a cult following, a sect, not really a part of the Democrat Party.  His (20%?) support is the strongest, most loyal, even through his heart attack, think AOC and the angriest and most pure Left of those coming out of college.  He can't get to 51% of Democrats or to 270 of the electoral votes and his support won't just seamlessly transfer over to Biden, or Buttigieg if they beat him by talking a moderate line.

If Buttigieg is the second coming of 2008 candidate Barack Obama at 38, someone like Obama should have picked him as maybe Secretary of State or Treasury at age 32-34.  Obama didn't because for one reason he hadn't heard of him and he hadn't heard of him because he hadn't done anything of note.  Nice guy, smart they say, but what has he accomplished and what great idea (name one) has he added to the discussion?  Nothing. 



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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #443 on: January 08, 2020, 09:36:43 PM »


Glenn Reynolds:  Ouch.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #444 on: January 09, 2020, 05:07:44 AM »
Taking Doug's post further

(Glenn Reynolds:  Ouch.)

Another interesting comparison :

Trump has done well for himself and his family in the private sector
while Plagiarizing Joe has done well for himself and his family devoting his life to "public service"

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Biden and Rep for VP idea
« Reply #445 on: January 11, 2020, 09:20:10 AM »
We saw Biden entertain the notion of a Rep for VP nominee.

Thought experiment:

Mitt Romney.


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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #446 on: January 11, 2020, 02:54:27 PM »
"We saw Biden entertain the notion of a Rep for VP nominee.

Thought experiment:

Mitt Romney."

Agree .  I can't off the top of my head even think of anyone else.

My thought about tis begins and ends with Mitt.

OTOH
I am really doubtful he would choose any Republican - his party would not stand for it.
     My guess he is throwing that  thought out in the public domain pretending he is willing to "cross the isle " .  We all know he is and always has been a hard core Democrat

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #447 on: January 11, 2020, 04:27:47 PM »
Mittens a republican?


"We saw Biden entertain the notion of a Rep for VP nominee.

Thought experiment:

Mitt Romney."

Agree .  I can't off the top of my head even think of anyone else.

My thought about tis begins and ends with Mitt.

OTOH
I am really doubtful he would choose any Republican - his party would not stand for it.
     My guess he is throwing that  thought out in the public domain pretending he is willing to "cross the isle " .  We all know he is and always has been a hard core Democrat

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #448 on: January 11, 2020, 09:26:02 PM »
Picture this.  Brokered convention.  "Moderate" vote divided with Bloomberg (and Steyer?)  He needs a move with panache.  Mittens finally gets his chance to go up against the Donald again.   Being silly here perhaps, or maybe a touch of thinking outside the box.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #449 on: January 11, 2020, 09:27:45 PM »
Picture this.  Brokered convention.  "Moderate" vote divided with Bloomberg (and Steyer?)  He needs a move with panache.  Mittens finally gets his chance to go up against the Donald again.   Being silly here perhaps, or maybe a touch of thinking outside the box.

Depends if Biden starts sh*tting himself on stage, which is quite possible.