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Conrad Black
« Reply #250 on: September 11, 2019, 03:54:46 PM »
wasn't Conrad in jail.

maybe he missed that so many of us have been pleading with Trump to do just this with zero success:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/trumps-only-real-weakness-is-his-style/

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2020 Presidential, Democratic Debate in Houston - full transcript
« Reply #251 on: September 13, 2019, 06:21:21 AM »
I missed the beginning (could not find it on radio) and the end, but saw most of it.  It was painful to watch.  Each one of them said things that would be easy for any Republican to rebut.

Biden gave the right amount of mis-speaks, gaffes, idiocy for his opponents to seize on.  Kids need to hear more words, turn on the television uh record player at night.

Bernie was a raving angry man who looked like a lunatic.  Too bad to distract from the opportunity to point out everything he advocates takes us in the direction of certain failure.  A very important question was asked of Bernie about the similarity of his policies to those that failed so horribly in Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela.  He rambled on about free health care and family leave in Canada and "Scandinavia".  He did not answer the question.  His policies if fully implemented will unravel capitalism in just the same way that they brought down Venezuela and coercion by military state and coercion by administrative state are indistinguishable if the coercion has the full effect.  He is going to pay every teacher at least $60,000 without regarding to regional cost of living differences while making the nation as a whole poorer and all of them will make government schools mandatory almost back to birth.

Warren:  I would say zero charisma but smooth delivery and hit all of her well-rehearsed points.  You either like her or you don't.  I don't see her exciting anyone other than the 15-20% of Democrats who already like her and relate to all that.  Every voter needs to figure out whether what she proposes is good for America, whether there is logic to go from our hate for large companies to the full government takeover of the entire American private sector.  Translating her climate change words, she is saying we need to stop heating and air conditioning our homes and buildings by 2028 or whatever all that government imposed fascism mumbo-jumbo was supposed to mean.

Booker is articulate but also angry and unappealing.  Castro looks goofy in his presentation.  Beto will take your guns.  Butti is way more charismatic on radio than on television, and all Trump supporters yes are racist. 

Klobuchar looked nervous but seems nice, competent, authentic, unless you know what a complete bitch she is off-camera.  One Dem summary said Klobuchar could stay in the race, but why? 

They all seem so angry, I really tried to find one with a good presentation, someone who you wish you could hear more form at the end of the 45 seconds.  Andrew Yang maybe but some of his ideas are nuts.  He made a nice point about immigration but could not in a Democrat setting make the distinction between legal and illegal; no mention of rule of law in immigration.  Did his father who grew up without a floor in Asia hire border gangs to enter?  If not, what is the similarity to what we face today?  Instead he literally invited the whole world to come here and start businesses and make a great life for themselves.  8 billion people?  What kind of a country will it be if they all say yes?  Probably identical to where they came from but a little more crowded.

Harris was the other rare contestant who was not all angry, but also was not all present. If not drunk, her drug dosage was a bit off.  More pleasant than the angry ones, but aloof and a little incoherent.  Whiny sounding, she had a weird moment where she couldn't stop laughing at her own scripted joke.  She will not be the nominee.
 
On China tariffs, not one could say they oppose Trump tariffs or that they would repeal them on day one, just that they would do [the same thing] better (but they of course wouldn't).  Isn't that funny, a 10 way endorsement of a very bold Trump policy that no one before him dared to undertake.  They were actually helping Trump explain to the hurt sectors of our economy why we need to keep up the fight and win it.  Bad news for China.  It sets Trump up to get a deal with them sooner. 

Not one question asked about America's roaring economy leading the world in growth, our hugely increased wage growth under Trump, record unemployment for blacks, Hispanics, Asians and women, and DECREASED income inequality.  This is not relevant?  Won't come up in a general election??  Now back to social justice, gender flexibility and white supremacy opinions.

I could not visualize any of the 10 of them rising up to even win the nomination much less win the election.  The two people who struggled the most to watch this painful ordeal were Barack and Michelle Obama.  Do they REALLY want to give up this great life you have get back in the ugly arena? 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/full-transcript-democratic-debate-houston-n1053926

And the winner is ... ... ... incumbent President Donald Trump.
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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #252 on: September 13, 2019, 08:40:15 AM »
" .Klobuchar looked nervous but seems nice, competent, authentic, unless you know what a complete bitch she is off-camera.  One Dem summary said Klobuchar could stay in the race, but why? "

Last night on her post debate quicky speaking tour she claims she wants to be President for "all the people"

Except for my home town mayor , a Democrat , who supported Ronald Reagan , which inspired RR to come and give a speech there , ( I saw it)
I have never heard of a single Democrat who EVER represented me .

I guess Barak Obama represented all the people too........    :wink:

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #253 on: September 13, 2019, 10:09:03 AM »
Encapsulating moment of last night's Dem debate for me:

Joe Biden, calling for government workers to come into people's homes to teach them how to raise their children by turning on the record player while struggling with loose dentures.

Also noteworthy: His call for no one to be in prison for non-violent crimes. Free Paul Manafort?

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #254 on: September 13, 2019, 12:01:57 PM »
"Last night on her post debate quicky speaking tour she claims she wants to be President for "all the people" "

Don't be fooled by her mild public manner and Leftists calling her moderate, she has been in office since Jan 2007, when Pelosi-Reid took power and brought down the Bush expansion of 51 consecutive months.  She is to the left of Al Franken and never has represented all the people.  She has NEVER been mentioned as a crossover vote on ANY contentious issue.  She was a cheap copy of Hillary Clinton when she first ran, was a rubber stamp on every vote for Reid-Schumer and now sees herself as some voice of mid-life reason and experience. 

In the link below she sides with the lying accuser against Judge Kavanaugh citing some "rule of evidence" where absolutely no evidence exists and we later find out it all was false, designed by her lawyers to preserve abortion.  Great integrity.  She ran 100% with the wacko, ends justify means, party line on everything she came across.  Good luck getting her appointees confirmed if Republicans return the favor.  Thankfully she will never be President, but if she is elected she will be no worse than Presidents Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry or McGovern.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/09/28/sen-amy-klobuchar-kavanaugh-vote-response-sot-vpx.cnn

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #255 on: September 13, 2019, 12:20:09 PM »
Encapsulating moment of last night's Dem debate for me:

Joe Biden, calling for government workers to come into people's homes to teach them how to raise their children by turning on the record player while struggling with loose dentures.

Also noteworthy: His call for no one to be in prison for non-violent crimes. Free Paul Manafort?

Yes, he lost me with calling for the government to come into our homes to tell us how to raise children when he already said he wants them taken away in pre-K to public schools, not private day care.  No mention of stay at home parents raising children.  Why would you raise your own when the indoctrination union needs to get at them sooner.  Put them all in little boxes, send them to the universities until they all come out just the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUoXtddNPAM




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Re: Gringo O'Rourke on ambulances
« Reply #258 on: September 14, 2019, 12:30:56 PM »

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #259 on: September 14, 2019, 02:20:54 PM »
I suppose we need a National Ambulance Administration to head regulations in order we have more ambulances now.
May the ambulance drivers could all be made government employees and unionized to insure they all vote for crats.


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Re: 2020 Presidential election
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Kavanaugh revisited in the context of 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #263 on: September 18, 2019, 07:34:48 AM »
1.  NY Times proves to be fake news, making Trump right (again) on what should be an outrageous claim.  The nation's top newspaper is less accurate than our loose mouthed, detail challenged President.  NPR and others serving derangement also took the bait.

2.  Many of the Democrats on the top stage previously made their mark on the Senate Judiciary Committee attacking the integrity of Kavanaugh.  They opposed due process and truth, participated in a witch trial, competed for attention and notoriety and voted against a perfectly qualified appointee of the opposing party for ostensibly all the wrong reasons.  Harris, Booker, Klobuchar in particular, participated, also Warren and Sanders.

3.  This was already poll tested immediately following the confirmation across the heartland.  Sens. Joe Donnelly of Indiana, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Bill Nelson of Florida, and Claire McCaskill of Missouri all voted against Kavanaugh and lost their seats in the Senate, during an otherwise Democrat year.

4.  They are still stepping in it.  See tweets:

Last year the Kavanaugh nomination was rammed through the Senate without a thorough examination of the allegations against him. Confirmation is not exoneration, and these newest revelations are disturbing. Like the man who appointed him, Kavanaugh should be impeached.
— Elizabeth Warren (@ewarren) September 15, 2019

I sat through those hearings. Brett Kavanaugh lied to the U.S. Senate and most importantly to the American people. He was put on the Court through a sham process and his place on the Court is an insult to the pursuit of truth and justice.

He must be impeached.
— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) September 15, 2019

Warren and Harris aren't just trying to win Massachusetts and California anymore, and one of them may wish to win more than just the Dem nomination.

5. The fight over Kavanaugh was admitted by her activist lawyers to be a surrogate fight over the unrestricted right to an abortion.  The Democratic Party narrowed its reach by purging all that don't follow that doctrine even though science keeps proving further and further that the unborn is alive, human and or distinct DNA from  the father and mother.  Meanwhile the rest of the public isn't buying the sacrosanctity of the right to kill your offspring. 

Gallup for example says:  60% of Americans Want All or Most Abortions Made Illegal
https://www.lifenews.com/2019/06/25/gallup-poll-60-of-americans-want-all-or-most-abortions-made-illegal/

The people outside of the Left wing bubble are not part of the unlimited abortion death cult.

6.  Not Kavanaugh by name, but Trump's promise to appoint Justices like Kavanaugh was one of the largest factors pulling his side together and pushing Trump over the Presidential finish line.  Gorsuch and Kavanaugh turned out to be excellent picks, among Trump's biggest accomplishments and promises kept.  That commitment alone helps Republicans, conservatives, libertarians and constitutionalists to come together and pull the lever for an otherwise flawed man seeking reelection in an extremely divided environment. 

Liberal judicial activism sells well at a Warren rally and in a Democrat debate, but not as well across the heartland or in the electoral college, another constitutional relic they used to favor and now seek to go around and then abolish. 

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Re: 2020 Presidential election, issues polli g
« Reply #264 on: September 19, 2019, 06:49:21 AM »
A recent Harvard/Harris Poll of 2,531 registered voters shows why.

Unlike other polls, this one attempted to gauge support for Trump and a Democratic opponent without using any names. The question just described their respective agendas.

Here’s the text:

“Which candidate are you more likely to vote for:

“A presidential candidate who stands for the green new deal on climate change, Medicare for all, free college tuition, opening our borders to many more immigrants and raising taxes to pay for these programs.”

Or …

“A presidential candidate who stands for lower taxes and reduced government regulations, strengthening our military, strengthening our border to reduce illegal immigrants, standing up more to China and Iran and seeking better trade deals for the US.”

You’d be hard-pressed to come up with a more concise description of what President Donald Trump and any of the leading Democratic candidates stand for.

The result: A stunning 61% say they’d vote for Trump’s agenda.

Among independents, 65% chose the Trump agenda, as did every age group except those 18-34, who split 50-50. Even among Democrats, more than a third said they’d vote against the candidate pushing the current Democratic agenda.

The poll went further and broke out specific policy issues. There wasn’t one item on the Democratic agenda that came in the top six. Only 38% say they were likely to vote for a candidate who promised to “raise taxes to pay for these programs.” On the other hand, 83% said they’d likely support a candidate who promised to lower taxes.

https://issuesinsights.com/2019/09/19/dems-will-have-to-lie-about-their-agenda-to-win-poll-shows/
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poll on policy agendas
« Reply #265 on: September 19, 2019, 07:03:33 AM »
"The result: A stunning 61% say they’d vote for Trump’s agenda.

Among independents, 65% chose the Trump agenda, as did every age group except those 18-34, who split 50-50. Even among Democrats, more than a third said they’d vote against the candidate pushing the current Democratic agenda."

excellent find.  Excellent points.

if Trump only listened to us and many others about controlling his impulsiveness .
there is not question his some of his personality flaws are killing him .
at the same time he is the only one with a fighting spirit and stick to it ness (so to speak) on the right side of the political aisle
so some of her traits are good.

what can I say .  like all of us here we vote for the agenda
personality is out the window.

the left has always done that.

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what no felon vote for Trump?
« Reply #269 on: September 24, 2019, 03:54:49 PM »
 :x

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/trump-reportedly-regrets-passage-jailbreak-first-step-act-gullible-conservatives-supported/

Thanks J rod

I was wondering why we haven't see the J rod in the news lately.  I guess he is too busy fixing the Middle East. 

watch crime go up  in a few yrs .

well see........

Maybe this might a make  a microscopic dent in the AFrican American vote
   may a percent or two.



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2020 Presidential election, Who benefits from the Biden implosion?
« Reply #272 on: October 07, 2019, 08:00:06 AM »
All the statements of the msm and Dems (redundancy apology) indicate Biden is fine; he did nothing wrong, they say, but everyone knows that isn't true and this topic is consuming him.  Instead of the instant crash that someone caught up in something like this should expect, it looks like Biden will suffer a slow political death for his corruption.  He still leads in some polls but the underlying rationale for Biden, that he alone can beat Trump, is gone.

Biden is now in 5th place in the money race [counting Trump], with no sign that he can turn that around.  Most of that lost enthusiasm happened before Ukraine blew up. 

On the surface, it is Warren who benefits.  She becomes the new frontrunner but doesn't really gain a supporter.  She will benefit more from Bernie's fall, but that is far from certain at this point.  She may be frontrunner now, but still is a Left-laner, not a uniter.  She may be exactly the socialist, anti-capitalist that Trump has hoped all along to run against.  She is not in the business of hiding her real views, like Obama used to.

It's strange with all these contestants that no one else is in a position to gain from Biden's fall.  Bullock, Bennet, Klobuchar?  Beto, Butti, Booker?  No one can see it.

The dynamic of this race has changed even though the polls have not yet. 

Ed Rogers explores the question of who benefits, but doesn't find a good answer:
https://www.journalnow.com/opinion/columnists/ed-rogers-who-benefits-from-a-biden-collapse/article_d459bc88-e615-11e9-9459-af036b5227d3.html

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #273 on: October 07, 2019, 08:30:55 AM »
" .All the statements of the msm and Dems (redundancy apology) indicate Biden is fine; he did nothing wrong, they say "

it is really ASTOUNDING to see the MSM covering for him
the freaking blatant hypocricy

for all to witness in glaring obviosity
 :x

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Sparacus rises again
« Reply #274 on: October 07, 2019, 02:51:02 PM »
https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/cory-booker-if-you-come-after-joe-biden-youre-going-to-have-to-deal-with-me/

I was speaking to someone who was evidently a very liberal Jewish guy
I mentioned how Cory grew up right near us.

He then proceeded to tell me how brilliant he is and that in addition he speaks Yiddish

I could just see him speaking to a local synagogue  speaking in Yiddish (who speaks this anymore anyway?)
like he speaks  a bit of Spanish
and all the old Jewish ladies thinking what a nice mench

The same guy then excused his poor showing as explaining not being "his time".

Oh vey , we are going to have to hear Cory for every election for the next 30 yrs?     :-o
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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #275 on: October 07, 2019, 05:54:31 PM »
His schtick on his relationship with Judaism and Jews is actually pretty damn good.  Definitely more than superficial.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #278 on: October 14, 2019, 07:41:07 AM »


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Tommy Steyer
« Reply #280 on: October 16, 2019, 07:43:17 AM »
anyone know how much it cost him to qualify for yesterday's debate?

but I like Wang.
I meant too bad Wang is a leftist
I do not like Steyer at all

Wang is particularly interesting and novel.
The only one with real creative ideas in my (of course very humble ) opinion.



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2020: Tommy Steyer, Dem debate, Dem field
« Reply #281 on: October 16, 2019, 08:38:01 AM »
anyone know how much it cost him to qualify for yesterday's debate?

too bad he is a  Leftist
but I like Wang.

Wang is particularly interesting and novel.
The only one with real creative ideas in my (of course very humble ) opinion.

"too bad he is a Leftist"!  Without sarcasm, Steyer is a very scary Leftist.

Yang and Tulsi are the only ones that are interesting.  In both cases, their views don't fully hold up to scrutiny.  They are not as far Left as the others and they won't be the nominee by splitting with Leftist orthodoxy.  Amy would be the reasonable moderate if her manufactured public image was her real self. 

Separate from substance or ideology different from ours, was there anyone on the stage who made you want to hear more from them?  Not for me.  Butti - no.  Harris - no.  Booker - no.  Beto - toast.  Lightweights.  Maybe good for student council speeches.

Bernie is back. 

Biden tried to compete with Bernie's anger.  Biden said his son did nothing wrong, he did nothing wrong, and there was no follow up.  That means the others including the moderators know he is done. 

Warren is the front runner but is loaded with weaknesses. 
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Each candidate, especially the also-rans, believed this was their big,make or break chance.  Mean and bitchy Amy had her sweet smile face on.  She jumped in where she had nothing to say and pivoted to a story about herself.  'This isn't flyover country to me; it's where I live.  I'm so popular here that I won Michelle Bachmann's district - 3 times.  [How many watching know who that is or anything about the political balance of that district?  She didn't run or win against anyone like Trump!]  Amy went on with her rehearsed and scripted joke:  'I'm going to build a blue wall around these Midwest states and make Donald Trump pay for it!'  Ha, Ha ha!  Except no one laughed.  No one even smiled at it or acknowledged the attempt at humor.  That was supposed to bring the house down.  She scolded a small audience in Iowa, that's where you're supposed to applaud.  Pretty much the same excitement level for all the others.

No question or comment on China or Hong Kong.

Zero questions on Climate Change.  Existential.

No questions about the national debt.
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AOC, Omar to endorse Bernie Sanders
« Reply #282 on: October 16, 2019, 09:06:21 AM »
This is shocking. (sarc.)

My fear is that they are trying to paint Warren as the moderate.  Will Warren respond to the renewal of the Bernie challenge by pretending to be more moderate or by embracing all his wacko views as she has already done.

AOC to endorse Bernie Sanders in 2020 Democratic presidential primary
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/10/15/democratic-primary-aoc-endorse-bernie-sanders-president/3994047002/

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/466017-omar-endorses-sanders-presidential-bid





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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #287 on: October 21, 2019, 02:20:48 PM »
her knees, elbows, and roundhouses look crisp painful  :-o
 
CD, might you invite her to a stick fight?   :-D


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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #288 on: October 21, 2019, 02:23:09 PM »
Eh, I thought her rather slow  :evil:

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CD question
« Reply #289 on: October 21, 2019, 02:40:58 PM »
CD,

Do you think she could take booti?




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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #290 on: October 21, 2019, 04:15:41 PM »
"Booti"?

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Booti- short for buttigieg
« Reply #291 on: October 21, 2019, 04:58:21 PM »
Her name for him is Mayor Pete

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #292 on: October 21, 2019, 05:37:14 PM »
Oh, you mean Wife Buttgig-- why didn't you say so?

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #293 on: October 22, 2019, 02:27:31 PM »
Its biden, its harris, no its warren, now booti, next month clinton redux x 3, maybe the big lib boomer (wait wasn't he .a republican then independent or just whoever will have him?)

Steyer found money can't buy everything.......

I predict warren and outside shot clinton.



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caution source CNN
« Reply #295 on: October 23, 2019, 09:04:53 AM »
dems now running

back to plugged botoxed, face lifted red eyed man


https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/23/politics/cnn-poll-biden-lead-increases/index.html

all a bunch of garbage polls with about as much believability as the rest of  CNN.

Perhaps should have posted in the humor thread  :evil:

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2020 Presidential: Biden leads Warren in 5 of the last 6 natl polls
« Reply #296 on: October 24, 2019, 06:46:22 AM »
quote author=ccp
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back to plugged botoxed, face lifted red eyed man
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/23/politics/cnn-poll-biden-lead-increases/index.html
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Warren's test drive as front runner lasted about a minute.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

Not because Biden improved but because Warren looks like a loser against Trump. Dems don't trust the polls that say any Dem beats Trump.  I should have been sending her money instead of ripping her policies on the forum. 

Best prediction on what we know now: all the top Dems win delegates and we go into a divided Dem convention, mid-July, 2020 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 


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Coulter: questions for the 2020 Dem debates
« Reply #297 on: October 24, 2019, 07:24:30 AM »
Question for Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas):

You were given a huge round of applause when you said “yes” to the following question: “Do you think religious institutions, like colleges, churches, charities, should they lose their tax-exempt status if they oppose same-sex marriage?”

Could you please answer that question again, so the Trump campaign can get another camera angle?
...
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/466868-coulter-debate-questions-that-the-democrats-should-have-been-asked

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Roger Stone
« Reply #298 on: October 26, 2019, 08:21:34 AM »
Stone is right of course about impeachment, but what I find interesting about this article is the mention of  a new biography on Spartacus.

I really don't follow state or local news much, and I have not heard any negative news about the Yiddish Rhodes Scholar so that will be of interest to me:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/25/roger-stone-naive-to-believe-donald-trump-will-not/

OTOH there is something lkable about Corey.  Of course he is a Democrat Party operative
but he just isn't as detestable to me as most of the other Dems for some reason.   :|

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2020 Presidential election - Socialists Unite, Sanders to rally with Omar
« Reply #299 on: October 28, 2019, 08:42:31 AM »
Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders and Minnesota U.S. Rep. Ilhan Omar will appear together next month at the University of Minnesota.

The Nov. 3 rally in the Northrop Auditorium on the Minneapolis campus is Sanders’ first visit to the state since this summer, when he campaigned at the State Fair. Omar, a first-term congresswoman from Minneapolis, was one of three freshman Democrats who recently endorsed Sanders' campaign for president in 2020.

They include New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who held a rally with Sanders in Queens last week. Rep. Rashida Tlaib, a Democrat from Michigan, also endorsed Sanders and is holding a rally with him in Detroit.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/10/25/sanders-omar-to-rally-in-minneapolis

Doors open at 4:30 p.m. and the rally is scheduled to start at 6 p.m. It’s free and open to the public.
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This will be big.