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Noonan on the debate
« Reply #551 on: February 20, 2020, 07:54:33 PM »
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The Best Democratic Debate in Years
Veteran candidates were on fire and at the top of their game. Can newcomer Mike Bloomberg recover?

By Peggy Noonan
Feb. 20, 2020 7:10 pm ET
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Mike Bloomberg at the Democratic debate in Las Vegas, Feb. 19.
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If you love national politics and follow it closely, there’s always the debate you imagine in your head and the one that later happens on the screen. Before Wednesday’s Democratic debate I made a list of the bare, bottom-line message I thought each candidate had to deliver.

Mike Bloomberg: You can stomach me.

Bernie Sanders : You can stomach socialism.

I tried to imagine how each would deliver it. For Mr. Bloomberg: I’m a businessman. I was mayor of New York. I am a liberal in every way but I’m not insane. I’ve got the resources to meet and surpass Donald Trump’s fundraising powerhouse. I’m not fancy and I’m no poet, but I can lead and I can win. You’re right I can’t buy the nomination. That’s why I’m here on the trail every day, asking for your support. His affect: up for the battle, happy to be in the fight.

For Mr. Sanders: You know there’s something wrong with the economic system and has been a long time. The inequality is wild, the injustice all around us—you can feel it, and it’s cowardice to say there’s nothing we can do about it. In his affect: I’m the last lion. You know my roar and you know something else—I have the power of the man who means it.

This is how it unfolded:

It was hands down the best presidential primary debate of the cycle and maybe in decades. It was riveting. The veterans on stage were on fire and at the top of their game.

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It is being called a very bad night for Mike Bloomberg. It was not. It was a catastrophe. The only question is whether it is recoverable. Can he turn it around in the debate next week, and after? Is it possible to recover from a night so bad?

The mystery is the surprise of it. What were the mayor and his aides and advisers, professionals of high caliber, thinking? He was on mute and seemed not to anticipate what was coming. Maybe they were thinking: Play against type, don’t be the entitled billionaire, shrug it off, let the others exhaust themselves with their tiny fisticuffs. In the end you’ll be the last grownup standing. If that was the strategy they mistook the moment. The Democratic base was meeting him, either for the first time or in a new way, and he had to engage and win them over.

They also mistook the challengers, who were angry as hell. “Who is this guy to buy a party?” Bloomberg strategists think he has to kill Bernie now, before Super Tuesday. But all the other candidates think they have to kill Mike now, before he makes a good impression. So there was going to be blood. You have to wade in, in a human way, and throw and take punches. No one’s above it all.

There’s a bigger, more important mystery.

Surely the former mayor and his men and women understood this: Through Mr. Bloomberg’s longtime targeted philanthropy, through his relationships, quiet alliances, generosities and personal loyalties, he has a lot of leaders—mayors, other local politicians, people who run museums and civic organizations, who speak for ethnic, racial and professional groups—who support him. But those leaders don’t fully control their own followers and constituencies. Everyone who’s a leader of any kind now is in crisis: They don’t have a complete hold on their people, and wind up following them as often as leading them.

The followers and constituencies—they want to be won over; they want to back you as much as the boss does, but you have to give them the rationale of a solid performance. You have to give your leaders and influential friends cover with a good performance. Mr. Bloomberg didn’t do that.

Bad news/long-shot good news: It was the worst performance in recent debate history—but if he can turn it around it will be the biggest comeback in modern primary history.

What should he do now? From our Department of Unasked-For Advice: Show candor and humility. Admit he blew it and ask for another chance. His competitors were good and he was unprepared. “I tanked and I’m asking for another look, I’ll see you next week.”

To me, Elizabeth Warren won the night. She was good, hot and sharp right out of the box. Standing next to Mr. Bloomberg she tried to freak him out by constantly shooting up her arm to speak, almost waving it in his face and getting in his psychic space. It was as if she was saying, “You nap, buddy, while I show you who’s in charge. Go play possum and see how it works with Sugar Ray.”

Ms. Warren is a bit of a mystery too—a great political athlete whose candidacy the past six months lost steam. But she is a highly disciplined performer and she has thought it through. She took off the table the issue of what the female candidate wears by wearing the same uniform each day, like a guy. She took hairdos off the table by having one and never changing it. She took her age off the table by having more energy than a 40-year-old on Adderall. I always thought she’d slip into the space between Bernie the socialist and the moderates, hold on and rise. That she’d be a lefty but a less doctrinaire one. Then she fell into banning private health insurance and suddenly was doctrinaire. And if you want doctrinaire why not pick the real thing, the socialist?

But Wednesday night she was full of fight, tricky and full of mind games. At one point she dodged a question on banning health insurance by accusing her competitors of dodging specifics on their plans. She got away with it. That’s talent! She slammed Amy Klobuchar one minute and rescued her the next. She was playing everybody. It was kind of fabulous. Someone on Twitter caught her essence: “She shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.”

Mr. Sanders was alive, forceful, Bernie-esque. He did nothing to harm himself with his followers, if that is possible, and tried hard to make himself look inevitable.

Joe Biden came alive. Mr. Bloomberg got his Irish up. Or maybe columns like this one, saying he’s over. Anyway his Hibernian was heightened and his performance was “Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.” We nod with respect.

Pete Buttigieg made a mistake in patronizing Ms. Klobuchar for forgetting the name of Mexico’s president. “Are you trying to say I’m dumb? Are you mocking me here, Pete?” He lectured a senator who is a generation older than he, more accomplished and a woman. It revealed a certain Eddie Haskell smarm. Later, she said to him: “You’ve memorized a bunch of talking points.” It was like Chris Christie going at Marco Rubio.

The Democratic race is better with Mike Bloomberg in it. The party’s got to have that fight about socialism and start it now, however long it takes. But he and his people had better get serious. It’s not only a money game, politics, it is a human game.

But the debate was a reminder: You never know what’s going to happen. You make your guess but you never know.

The surprise of politics—it’s a thing that can still make you feel romantic about it.

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Mona for Amy
« Reply #552 on: February 21, 2020, 06:17:55 AM »
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/02/amy-klobuchar-sane-centrist-democrat-party-only-hope/

I think Doug would have something to say about Amy being best
and a solid "centrist" midwesterner who wins by double digits
whose only flaw is she is tough on her staff.

 :-P

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #553 on: February 21, 2020, 07:39:56 AM »
She also seems to rattle pretty easily.  I could swear she was about to cry at one point in the debate, and indulges in sexism tropes even as she goes damsel in distress.  She let Wife Pete interrupt her repeatedly and throw her off stride.  Trump would have put his palm in Wife Pete's face and told him "Quiet!"

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Re: Mona for Amy
« Reply #554 on: February 21, 2020, 09:47:51 PM »
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/02/amy-klobuchar-sane-centrist-democrat-party-only-hope/

I think Doug would have something to say about Amy being best
and a solid "centrist" midwesterner who wins by double digits
whose only flaw is she is tough on her staff.

 :-P

I am traveling with some centrist midwesterners , non-Trumpers and there is a general liking of Amy among them.  One, a CEO, preferss Bloomberg, a Bloomberg-Buttigieg ticket.  I think she is not centrist but right where the Pelosi-Reid party was when she was first elected in 2006, at the peak of the economy owning her share of bringing it down.  She is centrist compared to Stalin, Mao and Sanders but you wouldn't think any of those would be elected to anything in the US.

I wouldn't say "she is tough on her staff".  More like she is a b*tch, female version of a**hole, one of those people who treats people badly when she thinks the cameras are off, meaning her public personna is phony and that will someday show through.

I don't expect her to be of much significance through the rest of the primaries but we will see.  Her 'success' so far is a reflection of the fact no one else running is catching on.  She is on the short list for VPs depending on who the eventual nominee is.

She has not accomplished anything I know of before or after the federal pool drain safety law of 2007.
http://www.startribune.com/senate-oks-pool-drain-safety-bill/12515736/
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" indulges in sexism tropes even as she goes damsel in distress."

Yes, she is trying to play the gender card for all its worth, not exactly gender neutral.  Yet it's not okay to say a man should be President, go figure.

"I could swear she was about to cry at one point in the debate"

Mayor Pete called her out for not knowing who the President of Mexico is and not having anything of substance to answer about US Mexico policy.  I'm guessing that was the moment.  She couldn't deny the charge so she said, 'Pete, are you calling me dumb?'  Awkward moment for sure.

"...who wins by double digits."  She is not going to win this year for President by double digits, she beat a nice schoolteacher for Senate, not Trump, and no one outside MN will vote for her just because her father wrote local stories in the monopoly star and sickle newspaper in the 1900s.

Back to my Midwestern friends who like Amy, oddly they all are sure Trump will win.  That is real change from 2016 when no Democrats thought that.

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To me a "centrist" means leftist
« Reply #555 on: February 22, 2020, 08:05:47 AM »
".centrist midwesterners , non-Trumpers and there is a general liking of Amy among them.  One, a CEO, preferss Bloomberg, a Bloomberg-Buttigieg ticket."

I have no idea what the description "centrist " means anymore

To me a centrist Democrat is one who does not believe in overt socialism and states they believe in capitalism
though with huge regulations, transfer of wealth and PC being enforced, and many other controls over how we live

A far left candidate is AOC or Sanders or Warren who hate capitalism in all its forms.

A centrist Republican is one who is for big government like the  Bushes, compromise (giving in to the LEFT). and mostly a capitalist with  tax 'control',
  but loves immigration for the business crowd and to at least some degree  if not a large degree a globalist.
  And of course a Trump hater .

To me they are all libs and call themselves 'centrist ' in name only *CINO*s.
They can label themselves Republicans but to me they are not .  They are leftist who want to preserve their wealth but could give a rats ass about the average person's 'wealth'.

I can surely understand disliking Trumps antics as i do but I don't get how one can then turn around and vote for a Democrat for THAT reason.
Trump is still the ONLY ONE who stands up to the left .



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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #556 on: February 22, 2020, 10:18:07 AM »
Indeed.  And note the Boombug got into the race only after Forked Tongue Lizzy went on the warpath with her wealth confiscation tax.

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Klobuchar and AMLO
« Reply #557 on: February 22, 2020, 11:16:26 AM »

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Re: Klobuchar and AMLO
« Reply #558 on: February 22, 2020, 06:52:21 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn78mHiYvP4

Oh boy! Can you imagine how her staff got screamed at after that debacle...



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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #563 on: February 27, 2020, 02:31:24 PM »
"Morris: Don't rule out Hillary"

not until she is dead AND buried.

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Smoke signals predict end to Forked Tongue Lizzy's Campaign Trail of Tears
« Reply #564 on: February 28, 2020, 02:19:44 PM »
The End of Elizabeth Warren?
 
On the menu today: The end is in sight for Elizabeth Warren’s campaign, David Brooks desperately tries to wave Democrats away from a critical error, and the mainstream media finally finds the coronavirus scary in a particular context.
The End of Elizabeth Warren’s Campaign Is Near
Is it too harsh to say that this has become Elizabeth Warren’s campaign trail . . . of tears? Polling suggests she’s on the verge of pulling a Marco Rubio — losing her home state to the frontrunner:
The poll shows Sanders is the choice of 25 percent of likely Democratic-primary voters, while Warren is in second place with 17 percent. The former mayors, Pete Buttigieg and Michael Bloomberg, are in a virtual tie for third at 14 percent and 13 percent, respectively. Former vice president Joe Biden rounds out the top five at 9 percent.
The Sanders campaign must be drooling at the prospect of that outcome — 91 delegates and Sanders would get the vast majority, with Buttigieg, Bloomberg, and Biden below the 15 percent threshold to win delegates. (Some will be allocated by who wins each congressional district, so the under-15 candidates could get one here and there.)


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Re: 2020 Presidential election, South Carolina
« Reply #566 on: March 01, 2020, 07:51:42 AM »
Biden 48.4%
Sanders 19.9%
Steyer, 3rd place, dropped out.
Warren, Buttigieg, Klobuchar in single digits. No delegates.  Bloomberg at 0.
Where is the write-in demand for Bloomberg?  Without advertising, do entire states not know he is running?

I give credit to Biden for beating the margin of the polling and credit to Democrats that turnout was better than expected.  Bernie still won the younger vote.  Biden won the black vote.

Super Tuesday is in 2 days:
Who wins and who drops out on Tuesday?  Looks like Bernie will win.  Warren, Butti, and Klob are mostly irrelevant, and maybe Bloomberg too if he can't win big states.  We will see.  Dropping out comes down to money or not seeing a path.  Warren is a fighter, but if she has no delegates, what is the point?  Klobuchar does not have a serious national organisation or appeal.  She may win her home state MN only.  That puts her on a VP short list for somebody, best case.  She should focus on that.  Butti has money but if he under-performs (again) Tuesday, he is fighting for 3rd or 4th place?  Bloomberg will drop out if Super Tuesday flops for him.  That was the bet he made.  Tougher decision for him if he wins one or two states.  Biden will stay in if he wins Texas in hope of winning the south after that.
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Latest national polling, Fox and Morning Consult:
Sanders 31, Biden 18, Bloomberg 16, Warren 10, Buttigieg 12, Klobuchar 5
Sanders 33, Biden 21, Bloomberg 17, Warren 11, Buttigieg 10, Klobuchar 4

15% in a state needed to win any delegates.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #568 on: March 01, 2020, 09:21:47 AM »
FWIW my assessment:

Big win for Slo Joe and it may dent Sandernista's Big Mo, but ultimately it is not  clear to me that Slo Joe has the ground game for Tuesday.  His senility will continue and this moment in the sun for him will serve mostly to increase the likelihood of a brokered convention.

The big question is how Boombug does on Tuesday, and his three minute "Oval Office" address released today may be pivotal.  We've been having big fun with how Forked Tongue Lizzy scalped him, but today's clip seeks to brand him as "I may not be a debater,  but I'm a proven doer"-- and he DOES have a real track record of executive skill both in the public and private sectors. 

As SJ's dementia proceeds, some of the pros and the whores (same thing?) of the Dem Party may decide he is all they got.  After all, he pays really well.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #569 on: March 02, 2020, 06:38:55 AM »
A lot will change after tomorrow.   Polls have been partly right on trends but very wrong  on numbers.
Here are summaries of the contests in the 14 states:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/485388-democratic-candidates-gear-up-for-a-dramatic-super-tuesday

Sanders leads in most, could win them all.  Amy could win home state MN.  Warren could win home state Mass. Let's hope they both do.  Biden could win a couple of southern states.  DC suburb Virginia is up for grabs, maybe Mike's big chance.  Also Colorado where he should just pay the voters directly, he is spending so much.

I hope to see Mike's money fail.  One small gaffe lately, commenting on his contribution to the Democratic House victory in 2018 he said, 'I bought those 40 seats'.  What?  I think a lot of Democrats would like to see Bloomberg's money fail too.

If they are able to count the votes, Tues night and Wed morning we will know a lot more.  I am pulling for a Sanders lead and a divided field.  Klob will drop out.  Warren should and either Bloomberg or Biden, whoever does worse.

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Liz to the rescue
« Reply #570 on: March 02, 2020, 08:08:09 AM »

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Re: Liz to the rescue
« Reply #571 on: March 02, 2020, 08:36:54 AM »
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/elizabeth-warren-coronavirus-plan_n_5e5cb3c2c5b6010221136780

forced paid leave of course
everything for "free"

Yes. "I have a plan for that."  Protect the economy by stopping it.  It's all noise in the room but she did get a story and a headline on the eve of her final downfall.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #572 on: March 02, 2020, 10:42:55 AM »
Klobuchar is out.  Sensible call!

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #573 on: March 02, 2020, 04:06:15 PM »
Klobuchar is out.  Sensible call!

Isn't that strange.  Now she's competing with Pete for a VP spot?  She was slower by a few hours to drop out but quicker to endorse Biden.  Will Butti endorse Boombug?  Warren endorse Bernie??  Who wants that Bernie VP spot anyway? AOC is ineligible and Gus Hall is dead.
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Re: 2020 Presidential election, Super Tuesday, Bloomberg drops out tonight?
« Reply #574 on: March 03, 2020, 11:26:40 AM »
Bloomberg will drop out at the end of the day, IF Biden shows a resurgence, if Bernie wins big, or if Bloomberg cannot see a path to his own victory for any other reason, which is VERY likely to be the case in my not very reliable prediction.

If so, Bernie and Biden remain and Trump wins.
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Pundits ponder what was said to Butti and Klob to get them drop out and endorse Biden so suddenly.  My question is, who made that call.  Who has that kind of control behind the scenes.  Answer must be Obama.  But still, who makes that call with the credibility that he/she speaks for the former President and all the power behind the future careers of these young contestants? 

The argument to these second tier candidates is simple.  You won't be VP (or President ever) if Bernie wins and you won't be Biden's VP if you don't drop out now and endorse him.  You won't be Biden's Secretary of ANYTHING if Biden loses.  Butti needs a cabinet position or he is out of power.  Klob is a party person, a follower not a leader.  They both avoided the humiliation of seeing more dismal results, being blamed for the split and publicly pressured to drop out.

Too bad Republicans never have a person who could make a call and clear the field of people who can't win.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election Primary
« Reply #575 on: March 03, 2020, 11:46:28 AM »
I voted.  Very strange to go in and vote for one unopposed candidate and nothing else.  There were no other categories, not congress, state rep, not soil and water, nothing else.  The rest, I found out, are chosen in a separate primary in august.  MN didn't use to have a Presidential primary; now they want to be part of Super Tuesday and get the control away from the caucuses and activists.  With Klobuchar out, Sanders wins MN?  Results tonight?  Recount controversy coming?

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Carville on Clyburn
« Reply #577 on: March 04, 2020, 04:46:37 AM »
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/03/03/carville-there-will-be-calls-for-sanders-to-exit-clyburn-saved-the-democratic-party/

All he did was save the wealthy Dems./the insiders/elites.

If Biden wins we still get the revolution - just packaged up as "democracy" and "centrist"
though for the rest of us mostly the same old Leftist stuff.

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Re: biden vs trump
« Reply #578 on: March 04, 2020, 06:28:13 AM »
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

I think this polling is defective but it certainly is strong reason to not ever be over-confidant between now and November.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #579 on: March 04, 2020, 06:29:25 AM »
Dem Identity Politics:

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Re: 2020 Presidential election, Money rules?
« Reply #580 on: March 04, 2020, 06:37:07 AM »
In 2016, Clinton and her super-PACs raised a total of $1.2 billion.  Trump won the presidency despite having raised less than any major party presidential nominee since John McCain. 
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/

Now, Steyer and Bloomberg the candidate have failed despite spending unprecedented amounts.

Pete Buttigieg also set the race on fire with crazy levels of fundraising.

Bernie has the most donors and the most on the ground enthusiasts, yet he couldn't move the needle an inch in any state above the percentage we saw earlier.

GET THE MONEY OUT OF POLITICS - by letting these fools spend it until they are out.

None of that changed the underlying math.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #581 on: March 04, 2020, 07:04:04 AM »
One more thought on Super Thursday, as winner Biden called it:

I was about to write just a couple days ago how stupid it was for Democrats to make the assumption in impeachment that Biden would be Trump's upcoming opponent. 

"Thanks Chuck, uh Chris, I just did Chris, I mean Chuck, I don't know how you do this so early"
“We hold these truths to be self-evident,” "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

What a difference a couple of days makes.  Biden's weaknesses haven't changed.   The party just decided they aren't going full Bernie or Bloombucks. 

The divided convention idea ended when Klob (dropped out) didn't win MN, Warren didn't win Mass and Bernie didn't win Texas. 

Biden even closed part of the gap in Calif.  Only weak spot I saw was Colorado.  Does Biden's weakness there mean anything in the general election?  Probably not.

So Democrats just put all their marbles on a guy who can't form a sentence much less speak in paragraphs.

Bring back the Lincoln Douglas debates.  Let's get the long form of what Joe Biden sees as the future for this country.

One more frontrunner observation, former Obama Defense Secretary Robert Gates:
"I think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades,” former Defense Secretary Robert Gates says of Vice President Joe Biden
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/01/robert-gates-thinks-joe-biden-hasnt-stopped-being-wrong-40-years/356785/
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/05/13/gates_stands_by_statement_that_biden_has_been_wrong_on_nearly_every_major_foreign_policy_question.html

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2020 Presidential election, Bloomberg drops out
« Reply #582 on: March 04, 2020, 07:45:28 AM »
https://www.axios.com/mike-bloomberg-drops-out-027d9882-3e65-4663-aec0-70025387def6.html

Who will get his delegate won in American Somoa?

Who is next to drop out?  Did Warren over-sleep this morning?
Lessons from the pundits this morning:  With Warren's 3rd place finish in he home state of Mass, maybe Harvard professors don't fully have their finger on the pulse of the American people.  Also odd is that the elite intellectual Harvard professor was perhaps the 5th smartest person running in a dull field.

Tulsi is our last, best hope to save the Democrat Party.  I think she also won a delegate in American Somoa.  Okay, I don't know where that is.
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Biden Obama 2020 - Dems best bet
« Reply #583 on: March 04, 2020, 08:28:20 AM »
He needs to pick a black woman, right?  Biden is indebted to someone pulling strings behind the scenes.  Obviously it was the Obama machine.  Now they can name their prize.  Who gets less scrutiny than a VP candidate.  She would have a mostly free ride back the White House if Joe wins - if she wants that. 

All they need to do is say she is ready to govern every bit as well as Joe if something should happen to him - like senility on the first day.  She would be hardest for Trump to attack because people like her personally.  This already is a campaign of the current administration versus the previous.  They want to defend their record.  This would bring Barack back onto the stage - if he wants that.

Or the Obamas turn down the offer because it ties them to a loser and leaves their legacy fully removed and defeated.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #584 on: March 04, 2020, 08:39:30 AM »
K. Harris , S  Abrams, or S. Rice

if he wants a black women

less likely M . Obama (only because she does not want to serve is less likely)
and or Oprah Winfrey

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Ready to govern on day one!
« Reply #585 on: March 04, 2020, 08:44:10 AM »

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #586 on: March 04, 2020, 09:22:52 AM »
Well, Ilhan Omar married her brother , , , :evil:

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Re: Ready to govern on day one!
« Reply #587 on: March 04, 2020, 09:24:04 AM »
https://freebeacon.com/politics/joe-biden-confuses-sister-for-wife/

Seems to happen a lot with the Biden family.

Too funny, if not so true.  Hunter slept with, then cheated on his dead brother's widow.  How does Thanksgiving go with this family.  Old Slow Joe can't count his grandchildren.  The new one out of wedlock doesn't count, didn't get the invite?  Tell that to the 72% of blacks born out of wedlock.  He doesn't know how many genders there are, trick gotcha question.  You can't make this stuff up.  Thanks Chuck, I mean Chris, Super Thursday was a great day, whenever it was.  You can't go into a dunkin' donuts without an Indian accent. 

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American [Barack Obama] who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that's a storybook, man."  - This was before dimentia?!  The mainstream blacks who came before Obama were dirty and ugly.  He worked with Carol Moseley Braun,  previous Senator from Illinois.  She smelled, talked in jive??  I didn't know that.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #588 on: March 04, 2020, 03:21:27 PM »
Well the Democrat Party process has been a sight to behold.

So many jumped in partly because Joe Biden sucks.
Then when it became apparent the others sucked to

and Bernie Trotsky appeared to be ready to come out ahead by default the whole process was rigged to biden back -

to where they all started

Now they will elevate him to sainthood status  , all his dumb ass remarks will continue to written off as "good" ole plain Joe"
and we will be hearing about his compromise nature and working with the other side and that he is a centrist.

When that is the best one side can do that is what they do.

We accept Trump and over for him despite his personal issues........

The Dem establishment wins again .
They have a stranglehold on the minorities that is for sure.


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« Reply #589 on: March 04, 2020, 03:23:00 PM »
THE BIG QUESTION:  Assuming he wins the nomination, who will be his veep pick?

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« Reply #591 on: March 04, 2020, 04:44:34 PM »
well he has been saying that from day one
he would like her
that way the ONE will be back in business behind the scenes
telling slo joe what to do

in order to get the nation back on a socialist liberal Democrat Party agenda.

My guess from what I have seen of her she would rather live the life of a 1%. the wife of a saint.  (don't blame her )

then go thru the mill

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Joe's VP choice can't be predicted because there isn't a good one available
« Reply #592 on: March 05, 2020, 06:37:28 PM »
THE BIG QUESTION:  Assuming he wins the nomination, who will be his veep pick?

Yes, BIG.  Mark Steyn did a nice job of framing this question on the Rush show today.  The people who were all talking about 25th amendment on Trump a minute ago are now supporting Joe Biden for President.  Biden is clearly in worse shape than Trump and has already hinted about serving only one term if elected.  If the VP takes the Presidency past the midpoint in a term (he said), that person is still eligible for two more terms, 10 years as President.  The person that the party wants to follow Biden, if elected, needs to be the VP pick.  Democrats are hoping to set a 12 year course with this pick.

That rules out the other octogenarians. 

The easiest choices come from the vetting process of this Presidential race, but did anyone pass vetting?  Kamala Harris is the black woman in the bunch.  I would argue she failed the vetting on both background and skill.  Cory Booker is male, a negative, but darker in skin than Harris, can I say that?  He is sharper than Kamala but I think he lacked in likability.  Elizabeth Warren failed the Cherokee test and under-performed in every test except attacking Bloomberg.  Warren is a good age to be President now but maybe not on the 12 year plan. 

Amy and Buttigieg have enough youth to do it; Klob is late 50s and Butti barely eligible.  I see neither as the charismatic leader of the future.  Amy could be a possible VP pick for this year but doesn't bring the excitement of say, Ford, Dole, Mondale of Gore.  She has the gender, not the color.  She could (almost) be their do no harm candidate, although she was chased off the stage at her final rally by 'black lives matter' protesters.  Oops.  I wouldn't be surprised if Pete is given his choice of cabinet positions for dropping and endorsing the right candidate at the right time, maybe Secretary of State.  Picking him for VP gives them two white males on a ticket that needs to win a massive majority with so-called minorities.  Being gay doesn't change or help that IMO.

Weak field for President means a weak field for VP ready to become President.  From ccp's list:  "K. Harris , S  Abrams, or S. Rice".   We covered Harris and the next two have never won anything.  Both have high risks with known negatives.

Fun trying but I don't think Biden's pick is predictable.  Who would have guessed Tim Kaine and Mike Pence?  (I needed spell check to type Tim Kaine; how quickly they are forgotten when they lose.)

If the Obamas tell Biden it's going to be Michelle, then it's Michelle.  But looking at the 12 year aspect of it, that's 12 years of political intensity at a level where she's only done 12 minutes at a time up until now - with 2 or 3 convention speeches.  Is she driven to live and breathe politics, responsibility, governance, competing advisers, scandal and living in public scrutiny (with half the nation hating you) through her prime, kids out of the nest years, roughly 57 to almost age 70 ... versus the easy life of the rich and famous she is living right now.  She would be able to relax and retire at age almost 70 in the way Barack did at 55.  If she is that driven with that kind of discipline, there has been no sign of it so far.

The other problem with Michelle hitching her wagon to Biden is that Joe Biden has LOSER written all over him. 
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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #593 on: March 06, 2020, 05:51:14 AM »
yes

not clear who he will pick

butty and klobacher will get something in his administration
for their rapid support.

Cory could replace Carson if the Dem establishment (not Biden per se) wins

most of the Bama people will be brought back somewhere in the administration

has Hillary supported Biden yet or is she holding out waiting for the bribes payoffs. etc


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« Reply #594 on: March 06, 2020, 06:26:15 AM »
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0320/kass030620.php3

Is he going to let Biden off the hook the way he did Hillary?  For all the bluster, Bernie is not a fighter?

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« Reply #595 on: March 06, 2020, 06:28:52 AM »
The thing with Michelle is that every one would know that she would simply be the front for Baraq.

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« Reply #596 on: March 06, 2020, 06:41:18 AM »
Jim Clyburn Saves the Democrats
He didn’t just endorse Biden when his campaign was in trouble. He showed him how to revive it.

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Joe Biden embraces Rep. James Clyburn in North Charleston, S.C., Feb. 26.
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No one has seen anything like it. It will live in our political lore. There’ll be some bright 32-year-old kid running a campaign in 2056 and his guy will be down three in a row and the elders will take him to the Marriott bar and tell him, “Ya gotta get out, handwriting’s on the wall,” and he’ll nod, slump-shouldered. Then he’ll get this steely look, this young-wild-James-Carville look, and he’ll say, “Joe Biden was over in ’20. Nothing is written.”

There were many elements to what happened. Democrats love to say they’re not members of any organized political party, they’re Democrats; they love to say Democrats fall in love while Republicans fall in line. That’s their self conception and their story line and it’s mostly malarkey, as someone would say. You don’t get these staggered endorsements and coordinated statements without organization, power centers and money lines.

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But this is about the human part, the historic part, the speech Rep. Jim Clyburn gave that saved Mr. Biden. It was Wednesday morning. Feb. 26, in the College Center at Trident Technical College on Rivers Avenue in North Charleston, S.C. Mr. Clyburn, the highest-ranking African-American in Congress, spoke without text or notes, just a man at a mic with a blank wall behind him.

He spoke of his late wife, Emily. They met as students at South Carolina State after both were arrested at a civil-rights demonstration. “I met her in jail on that day.” Their marriage lasted 58 years. “I remember her telling about her experiences, walking 2½ miles to school every morning, 2½ back home every afternoon.” She lived on a small farm. “She learned how to drive in a pickup truck. She came to South Carolina State in that pickup truck, with her luggage on the bed.”

Her father walked town to town in the off season, 15 miles a day, to cut pulp wood. “We talked about what our parents sacrificed for us and what we owed to our children and all other children similarly situated.” They often talked about American leaders. “There’s nobody who Emily loved as a leader of this country more than she loved Joe Biden, and we talked about Joe all the time.”

He’d wrestled with whether to make a public endorsement. Then a friend died. He arrived early to the funeral and walked around talking to people he hadn’t seen in a while. “There was an elderly lady in her upper 80s sitting on the front pew of the church, just a few seats away from the coffin. And she looked at me and she beckoned to me. Didn’t say a word, just beckoned.” He joined her. “She said, ‘Lean down, I need to ask you a question.’ And I leaned down. She said, ‘You don’t have to say it out loud, but you just whisper into my ear. Who are you gonna vote for next Saturday? I been waiting to hear from you. I need to hear from you. This community wants to hear from you.’ I decided then and there that I would not stay silent.”

He quoted Martin Luther King Jr., who wrote that “he was coming to the conclusion that the people of ill will in our society was making a much better use of time than the people of good will, and he feared that he would [have] regret—not just for the vitriolic words and deeds of bad people but for the appalling silence from good people.”

He said, “South Carolina should be voting for Joe Biden, and here’s why.” Because the purpose of politics isn’t lofty and abstract but simpler, plainer: “Making the greatness of this country accessible and affordable for all. We don’t need to make this country great again—this country is great, that’s not what our challenge is.” The challenge is making greatness available to everybody. Are people able to get education, health care, housing? “Nobody with whom I’ve ever worked in public life is any more committed” to that goal “than Joe Biden.”

They got to know each other “doing TV stuff together,” he said. “I know Joe. . . . But most importantly, Joe knows us.” They used to talk a lot about Brown v. Board of Education, which consolidated five lawsuits against school segregation. One was from Joe’s Delaware. They went over it a lot. “That’s how well I know this man. I know his heart. I know who he is. I know what he is.”

Mr. Clyburn said that during his day in jail, “I was never fearful of the future. As I stand before you today I am fearful of the future of this country. I’m fearful for my daughters.” We have to “restore this country’s dignity, this country’s respect—that is what is at stake this year.” And there is “no one better suited, better prepared,” for the fight “than my good friend, my late wife’s great friend, Joe Biden.”

It was beautiful.

He wasn’t just giving Mr. Biden an endorsement, he was giving him a template: This is what to talk about, this is your subject matter.

It was a speech about the price you’ll pay to stand where you stand. In outlining his life he was saying: I didn’t talk the talk; I walked the walk, and on that basis I claim something called authority.

But what would the impact be? America is in a crisis not only of leadership but of followership. Leaders in all areas—business, the church, politics, other institutions—don’t know if they have the clout anymore to guide and advise their constituencies, they don’t know if they have the heft, the sway. Surely Mr. Clyburn wondered too.

And what followed was astounding, a throwback. What needed saying had been said, and spread. Three days later South Carolina didn’t endorse Joe Biden, it gave him a wave that wouldn’t break, that swept across the South and beyond.

After Super Tuesday, some progressives on social media clearly resented the black vote and the Biden wave. I detected in a few of them a whiff of “Who are these old Southern black ladies to be calling the shots?” It took me aback.

You couldn’t carry their sandals, sonnyboys.

A shooter came to Charleston a few years ago and they were in the Bible study. He kills, and they go to the bail hearing and, in the great incandescent moment of the last decade, say “I forgive you.”

They make everything happen; they’re the ones who’ve long made the prudential judgments on which way the party will go.

For half a century it has been telling them, “We feel your pain, we’re going to save you.” On Tuesday, after coolly surveying the facts and the field, they said to the Democratic Party, “Honey, you’re confused. We see your pain and we’re gonna save you.”

And they did. It was something—a turning of the tables, a doing what others up North and out West couldn’t quite do, and that was saying, “We are not socialists, we’re Democrats.”

The party should thank its lucky stars. It should kiss those ladies’ hands.

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« Reply #597 on: March 06, 2020, 07:04:55 AM »
".The thing with Michelle is that every one would know that she would simply be the front for Baraq."

yes

I wonder if Biden himself is the front for Baraq?   :wink:

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« Reply #598 on: March 06, 2020, 07:13:03 AM »
And Michele would be how it would be done.

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« Reply #599 on: March 06, 2020, 07:45:41 AM »
With all due respect, another view...

Clyburn:  “Making the greatness of this country accessible and affordable for all. We don’t need to make this country great again—this country is great, that’s not what our challenge is.” The challenge is making greatness available to everybody. Are people able to get education, health care, housing? “Nobody with whom I’ve ever worked in public life is any more committed” to that goal “than Joe Biden.”

   - Joe Biden has worked to make education, healthcare and housing worse by every conceivable measure.  Blacks are leaving the Democratic party for Trump, not for Bernie.

“restore this country’s dignity, this country’s respect—that is what is at stake this year.”  - Noonan quotes Clyburn without noting this is the man who brought down Bork and conducted the "high tech lynching" of Clarence Thomas that made the public airing of unsubstantiated accusations the norm in confirmation hearings.

"It was beautiful", Noonan writes about Clyburn's words.  For another opinion, I say bullsh*t. 
She is a great writer and this was a huge political turnaround; Clyburn was the key, but only Trump derangement syndrome can make a writer comfortable leaving the reader with the idea Joe Biden will restore dignity, care about people, make greatness affordable to blacks or anyone else.  Does anyone remember worst recovery in history, cash for clunkers, solyndra, no growth is the new normal, ANTI-SCHOOL CHOICE in the very worst districts because he is beholden to the teachers unions.  Good grief.  Don't get me started on abortion hitting black babies at 5 times the rate of whites.  Beautiful.

Biden's actions, his career, his policies did nothing but turn us away from economic and racial progress IMHO.  Suddenly, with a 180 degree about face with Obama-Biden out, black unemployment is at historic lows, wages are up and drug prices are coming down and the Education Secretary's top priority is school choice

Beautiful words about utter BS.  If Clyburn or Biden could link policies to results, the speech would have gone much differently.  The ballot choices last Saturday in South Carolina weren't all Democrat. 

Just my two cents.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/joe-biden-doesnt-want-lower-income-families-to-have-school-choice-like-he-and-hunter-biden-did
https://www.mrctv.org/blog/biden-flips-unionized-tax-funded-teachers-now-says-hed-abolish-charter-schools