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Noonan on the debate
« Reply #551 on: February 20, 2020, 07:54:33 PM »
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The Best Democratic Debate in Years
Veteran candidates were on fire and at the top of their game. Can newcomer Mike Bloomberg recover?

By Peggy Noonan
Feb. 20, 2020 7:10 pm ET
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Mike Bloomberg at the Democratic debate in Las Vegas, Feb. 19.
PHOTO: MIKE BLAKE/REUTERS
If you love national politics and follow it closely, there’s always the debate you imagine in your head and the one that later happens on the screen. Before Wednesday’s Democratic debate I made a list of the bare, bottom-line message I thought each candidate had to deliver.

Mike Bloomberg: You can stomach me.

Bernie Sanders : You can stomach socialism.

I tried to imagine how each would deliver it. For Mr. Bloomberg: I’m a businessman. I was mayor of New York. I am a liberal in every way but I’m not insane. I’ve got the resources to meet and surpass Donald Trump’s fundraising powerhouse. I’m not fancy and I’m no poet, but I can lead and I can win. You’re right I can’t buy the nomination. That’s why I’m here on the trail every day, asking for your support. His affect: up for the battle, happy to be in the fight.

For Mr. Sanders: You know there’s something wrong with the economic system and has been a long time. The inequality is wild, the injustice all around us—you can feel it, and it’s cowardice to say there’s nothing we can do about it. In his affect: I’m the last lion. You know my roar and you know something else—I have the power of the man who means it.

This is how it unfolded:

It was hands down the best presidential primary debate of the cycle and maybe in decades. It was riveting. The veterans on stage were on fire and at the top of their game.

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It is being called a very bad night for Mike Bloomberg. It was not. It was a catastrophe. The only question is whether it is recoverable. Can he turn it around in the debate next week, and after? Is it possible to recover from a night so bad?

The mystery is the surprise of it. What were the mayor and his aides and advisers, professionals of high caliber, thinking? He was on mute and seemed not to anticipate what was coming. Maybe they were thinking: Play against type, don’t be the entitled billionaire, shrug it off, let the others exhaust themselves with their tiny fisticuffs. In the end you’ll be the last grownup standing. If that was the strategy they mistook the moment. The Democratic base was meeting him, either for the first time or in a new way, and he had to engage and win them over.

They also mistook the challengers, who were angry as hell. “Who is this guy to buy a party?” Bloomberg strategists think he has to kill Bernie now, before Super Tuesday. But all the other candidates think they have to kill Mike now, before he makes a good impression. So there was going to be blood. You have to wade in, in a human way, and throw and take punches. No one’s above it all.

There’s a bigger, more important mystery.

Surely the former mayor and his men and women understood this: Through Mr. Bloomberg’s longtime targeted philanthropy, through his relationships, quiet alliances, generosities and personal loyalties, he has a lot of leaders—mayors, other local politicians, people who run museums and civic organizations, who speak for ethnic, racial and professional groups—who support him. But those leaders don’t fully control their own followers and constituencies. Everyone who’s a leader of any kind now is in crisis: They don’t have a complete hold on their people, and wind up following them as often as leading them.

The followers and constituencies—they want to be won over; they want to back you as much as the boss does, but you have to give them the rationale of a solid performance. You have to give your leaders and influential friends cover with a good performance. Mr. Bloomberg didn’t do that.

Bad news/long-shot good news: It was the worst performance in recent debate history—but if he can turn it around it will be the biggest comeback in modern primary history.

What should he do now? From our Department of Unasked-For Advice: Show candor and humility. Admit he blew it and ask for another chance. His competitors were good and he was unprepared. “I tanked and I’m asking for another look, I’ll see you next week.”

To me, Elizabeth Warren won the night. She was good, hot and sharp right out of the box. Standing next to Mr. Bloomberg she tried to freak him out by constantly shooting up her arm to speak, almost waving it in his face and getting in his psychic space. It was as if she was saying, “You nap, buddy, while I show you who’s in charge. Go play possum and see how it works with Sugar Ray.”

Ms. Warren is a bit of a mystery too—a great political athlete whose candidacy the past six months lost steam. But she is a highly disciplined performer and she has thought it through. She took off the table the issue of what the female candidate wears by wearing the same uniform each day, like a guy. She took hairdos off the table by having one and never changing it. She took her age off the table by having more energy than a 40-year-old on Adderall. I always thought she’d slip into the space between Bernie the socialist and the moderates, hold on and rise. That she’d be a lefty but a less doctrinaire one. Then she fell into banning private health insurance and suddenly was doctrinaire. And if you want doctrinaire why not pick the real thing, the socialist?

But Wednesday night she was full of fight, tricky and full of mind games. At one point she dodged a question on banning health insurance by accusing her competitors of dodging specifics on their plans. She got away with it. That’s talent! She slammed Amy Klobuchar one minute and rescued her the next. She was playing everybody. It was kind of fabulous. Someone on Twitter caught her essence: “She shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.”

Mr. Sanders was alive, forceful, Bernie-esque. He did nothing to harm himself with his followers, if that is possible, and tried hard to make himself look inevitable.

Joe Biden came alive. Mr. Bloomberg got his Irish up. Or maybe columns like this one, saying he’s over. Anyway his Hibernian was heightened and his performance was “Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.” We nod with respect.

Pete Buttigieg made a mistake in patronizing Ms. Klobuchar for forgetting the name of Mexico’s president. “Are you trying to say I’m dumb? Are you mocking me here, Pete?” He lectured a senator who is a generation older than he, more accomplished and a woman. It revealed a certain Eddie Haskell smarm. Later, she said to him: “You’ve memorized a bunch of talking points.” It was like Chris Christie going at Marco Rubio.

The Democratic race is better with Mike Bloomberg in it. The party’s got to have that fight about socialism and start it now, however long it takes. But he and his people had better get serious. It’s not only a money game, politics, it is a human game.

But the debate was a reminder: You never know what’s going to happen. You make your guess but you never know.

The surprise of politics—it’s a thing that can still make you feel romantic about it.

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Mona for Amy
« Reply #552 on: February 21, 2020, 06:17:55 AM »
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/02/amy-klobuchar-sane-centrist-democrat-party-only-hope/

I think Doug would have something to say about Amy being best
and a solid "centrist" midwesterner who wins by double digits
whose only flaw is she is tough on her staff.

 :-P

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #553 on: February 21, 2020, 07:39:56 AM »
She also seems to rattle pretty easily.  I could swear she was about to cry at one point in the debate, and indulges in sexism tropes even as she goes damsel in distress.  She let Wife Pete interrupt her repeatedly and throw her off stride.  Trump would have put his palm in Wife Pete's face and told him "Quiet!"

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Re: Mona for Amy
« Reply #554 on: February 21, 2020, 09:47:51 PM »
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/02/amy-klobuchar-sane-centrist-democrat-party-only-hope/

I think Doug would have something to say about Amy being best
and a solid "centrist" midwesterner who wins by double digits
whose only flaw is she is tough on her staff.

 :-P

I am traveling with some centrist midwesterners , non-Trumpers and there is a general liking of Amy among them.  One, a CEO, preferss Bloomberg, a Bloomberg-Buttigieg ticket.  I think she is not centrist but right where the Pelosi-Reid party was when she was first elected in 2006, at the peak of the economy owning her share of bringing it down.  She is centrist compared to Stalin, Mao and Sanders but you wouldn't think any of those would be elected to anything in the US.

I wouldn't say "she is tough on her staff".  More like she is a b*tch, female version of a**hole, one of those people who treats people badly when she thinks the cameras are off, meaning her public personna is phony and that will someday show through.

I don't expect her to be of much significance through the rest of the primaries but we will see.  Her 'success' so far is a reflection of the fact no one else running is catching on.  She is on the short list for VPs depending on who the eventual nominee is.

She has not accomplished anything I know of before or after the federal pool drain safety law of 2007.
http://www.startribune.com/senate-oks-pool-drain-safety-bill/12515736/
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" indulges in sexism tropes even as she goes damsel in distress."

Yes, she is trying to play the gender card for all its worth, not exactly gender neutral.  Yet it's not okay to say a man should be President, go figure.

"I could swear she was about to cry at one point in the debate"

Mayor Pete called her out for not knowing who the President of Mexico is and not having anything of substance to answer about US Mexico policy.  I'm guessing that was the moment.  She couldn't deny the charge so she said, 'Pete, are you calling me dumb?'  Awkward moment for sure.

"...who wins by double digits."  She is not going to win this year for President by double digits, she beat a nice schoolteacher for Senate, not Trump, and no one outside MN will vote for her just because her father wrote local stories in the monopoly star and sickle newspaper in the 1900s.

Back to my Midwestern friends who like Amy, oddly they all are sure Trump will win.  That is real change from 2016 when no Democrats thought that.

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To me a "centrist" means leftist
« Reply #555 on: February 22, 2020, 08:05:47 AM »
".centrist midwesterners , non-Trumpers and there is a general liking of Amy among them.  One, a CEO, preferss Bloomberg, a Bloomberg-Buttigieg ticket."

I have no idea what the description "centrist " means anymore

To me a centrist Democrat is one who does not believe in overt socialism and states they believe in capitalism
though with huge regulations, transfer of wealth and PC being enforced, and many other controls over how we live

A far left candidate is AOC or Sanders or Warren who hate capitalism in all its forms.

A centrist Republican is one who is for big government like the  Bushes, compromise (giving in to the LEFT). and mostly a capitalist with  tax 'control',
  but loves immigration for the business crowd and to at least some degree  if not a large degree a globalist.
  And of course a Trump hater .

To me they are all libs and call themselves 'centrist ' in name only *CINO*s.
They can label themselves Republicans but to me they are not .  They are leftist who want to preserve their wealth but could give a rats ass about the average person's 'wealth'.

I can surely understand disliking Trumps antics as i do but I don't get how one can then turn around and vote for a Democrat for THAT reason.
Trump is still the ONLY ONE who stands up to the left .



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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #556 on: February 22, 2020, 10:18:07 AM »
Indeed.  And note the Boombug got into the race only after Forked Tongue Lizzy went on the warpath with her wealth confiscation tax.

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Klobuchar and AMLO
« Reply #557 on: February 22, 2020, 11:16:26 AM »

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Re: Klobuchar and AMLO
« Reply #558 on: February 22, 2020, 06:52:21 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn78mHiYvP4

Oh boy! Can you imagine how her staff got screamed at after that debacle...



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