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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Of Kyoto and Kumbaya
« on: August 11, 2006, 12:12:33 PM »
Quote from: buzwardo
You think all these (not very well paid) academics from various departments all over the world have just been distorting/exaggerating all the global warming evidence because they "want an excuse to tell everyone how to live?"

No I think true believers and evangelists like you

Evangelists like me?  What have I ever "evangelized" about?  I never claimed to be any sort of environmental crusader.


take data that would be considered paltry in any other smaller scale scientific endeavor, conflate it with your political ends, and then march around banging drums and shouting down anyone with a contrary view.  I think the academics you mention are subject to the same pressures and folly their forbearers who wrestled with heresies like the heliocentric universe or a non-flat earth were. I think some jump on the bandwagon, others stand mute, while a very few have the stones to stand up to the inquisition and contend with the McCarthyesque fallout that ensues.

That's technically possible, but I think a more likely explanation is that the countless peer-reviewed papers written on the subject are correct, while the tiny minority of global warming skeptics (all heavily funded by the energy industries) are being paid to have the right views, no different than expert witnesses.  Your argument would be easier to support if it were the global warming supporting researchers that were getting paid the big bucks, but since it's the other way around, you're reduced to coming up with this ludicrous "they just want to tell everyone what to do" scenario.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Of Kyoto and Kumbaya
« on: August 11, 2006, 11:38:35 AM »
Quote from: buzwardo
You mention some "massive government intervention." What is it that you see happening?

Google ?Al Gore? and ?Kyoto,? then get back to me.

Okay, I'm back.  Now I want to hear what specific "massive government intervention" you, buzwardo, are personally concerned about.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Professional Hyperventilation
« on: August 10, 2006, 06:34:25 PM »
Quote from: buzwardo
Did you demand this level of proof when the administration claimed that Saddam had WMDs?

Uhm, there have been WMDs found, though that?ll likely set off another round of quibbles,

I'm sure it would.  If it was so cut and dried, don't you think Bush and the Republicans would be making a big stink about it on a daily basis?

As opposed to the shills who want an excuse to tell everyone how to live and so make various unproven dire pronouncements that must be battled by massive government intervention?

Okay, now we're getting somewhere.  You think all these (not very well paid) academics from various departments all over the world have just been distorting/exaggerating all the global warming evidence because they "want an excuse to tell everyone how to live?"  Meanwhile, these massively funded industry groups are just trying to get the truth out?  Are you kidding me?  Talk about a conspiracy theory!

I don't believe you actually care about the science at all.  Are you afraid the government is going to come for your SUV or snowmobile or something?  Is that what this is about?  Any restrictions on your personal right to pollute are unacceptable and therefore any scienctific evidence that might indicate that such restrictions are necessary simply must wrong?

I'm sorry if I'm misreading you, but that's the impression I'm getting here.  I actually do agree with you on a lot of issues, but sometimes I think your libertarian streak gets out of hand.  You mention some "massive government intervention."  What is it that you see happening?


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Sky is Falling Data Sets
« on: August 10, 2006, 01:45:22 PM »
Quote from: buzwardo
There is too small a data set on the ozone hole and layer to have an informed opinion, not that it stops anyone. These cycles occur over tens of thousands of years, while the panic mongers cater to the next news cycle. Produce a table showing the size of the ozone hole over a geologically significant period and I might hazard an opinon.

Did you demand this level of proof when the administration claimed that Saddam had WMDs?

Is that your only quibble with the link?

Let's check some of the references, shall we?

In 2003, Baliunas and Soon published a paper which reviewed a number of previous scientific papers and came to the conclusion that the climate hasn't changed in the last 2000 years. However, 13 of the authors of the papers Baliunas and Soon cited refuted her interpretation of their work, and several editors of "Climate Research", the journal which published the paper, resigned in protest at a flawed peer review process which allowed the publication. The observations used by Baliunas and Soon in respect of MWP and LIA are often not temperature proxies but indications of wet or dry; Mann et al. argue that their failure to ensure that the proxies reflect temperature renders the assessment suspect. More recently, Osborn and Briffa repeated the Baliunas and Soon study but restricted themselves to records that were validated as temperature proxies, and came to a different result.

Baliunas' extra-academic positions at several think tanks funded by energy industry organizations such as the American Petroleum Institute are often cited by her opponents as a source of bias on her part. Baliunas is a member of at least nine organizations which receive financial support from the petroleum industry.

Intermountain Rural Electric Association is heavily invested in power plants that burn coal, one of the chief sources of greenhouse gasses that scientists agree is quickly pushing earth's average temperature to dangerous levels.

Scientists and consumer advocates say the co-op is trying to confuse its clients about the virtually total scientific consensus on the causes of global warming.

ABC News has obtained a copy of a nine-page document that IREA general manager Stanley Lewandowski Jr. addressed to the more than 900 fellow members of the National Rural Electric Cooperative Association.

The document is a wide-ranging condemnation of carbon taxes and mandatory caps on greenhouse gas emissions that Lewandowski writes would threaten to "erode most, if not all, the benefits of coal-fired generation."

The letter also says that in February of this year, IREA contributed $100,000 to Patrick Michaels, a professor of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia.

Ross Gelbspan, journalist and author, wrote a 1995 article in Harper's Magazine which was very critical of Lindzen and other global warming skeptics. In the article, Gelbspan reports Lindzen charged "oil and coal interests $2,500 a day for his consulting services; [and] his 1991 trip to testify before a Senate committee was paid for by Western Fuels and a speech he wrote, entitled 'Global Warming: the Origin and Nature of Alleged Scientific Consensus,' was underwritten by OPEC."

Care to hazard an opinion of your own and then support it?

My opinion is that it's a bunch of crap, written by shills funded by the energy industry.  Why should we give any weight to their clearly biased research when they go against the conclusions of the vast majority of climate scientists?  Why would you?


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Global Warming Perspective
« on: August 10, 2006, 11:53:42 AM »
Quote from: buzwardo
A little long term perspective can be found here:

What are your thoughts on the hole in the ozone layer?  Is that part of the earth's natural cycle too?  Or do CFCs have something to do with it?


Martial Arts Topics / Our Environment
« on: July 28, 2006, 02:03:42 PM »;_ylt=AjMJXbBvlgksGSBr_VIiN2BrAlMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

 Utilities paying global warming skeptic

By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science WriterThu Jul 27, 2:39 PM ET

Coal-burning utilities are passing the hat for one of the few remaining scientists skeptical of the global warming harm caused by industries that burn fossil fuels.

Pat Michaels ? Virginia's state climatologist, a University of Virginia professor and senior fellow at the libertarian Cato Institute ? told Western business leaders last year that he was running out of money for his analyses of other scientists' global warming research. So last week, a Colorado utility organized a collection campaign to help him out, raising at least $150,000 in donations and pledges.

The Intermountain Rural Electric Association of Sedalia, Colo., gave Michaels $100,000 and started the fund-raising drive, said Stanley Lewandowski, IREA's general manager. He said one company planned to give $50,000 and a third plans to give Michaels money next year.

"We cannot allow the discussion to be monopolized by the alarmists," Lewandowski wrote in a July 17 letter to 50 other utilities. He also called on other electric cooperatives to launch a counterattack on "alarmist" scientists and specifically Al Gore's movie "An Inconvenient Truth."

Michaels and Lewandowski are open about the money and see no problem with it. Some top scientists and environmental advocates call it a clear conflict of interest. Others view it as the type of lobbying that goes along with many divisive issues.

"These people are just spitting into the wind," said John Holdren, president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. "The fact is that the drumbeat of science and people's perspectives are in line that the climate is changing."

Frank O'Donnell, president of Clean Air Watch, a Washington advocacy group, said: "This is a classic case of industry buying science to back up its anti-environmental agenda."

Donald Kennedy, an environmental scientist who is former president of Stanford University and current editor-in-chief of the peer-reviewed journal Science, said skeptics such as Michaels are lobbyists more than researchers.

"I don't think it's unethical any more than most lobbying is unethical," he said. He said donations to skeptics amounts to "trying to get a political message across."

Michaels is best known for his newspaper opinion columns and books, including "Meltdown: The Predictable Distortion of Global Warming by Scientists, Politicians and the Media." However, he also writes research articles published in scientific journals.

In 1998, Michaels blasted NASA scientist James Hansen, accusing the godfather of global warming science of being way off on his key 1988 prediction of warming over the next 10 years. But Hansen and other scientists said Michaels misrepresented the facts by cherry-picking the worst (and least likely) of three possible outcomes Hansen presented to Congress. The temperature rise that Hansen said was most likely to happen back then was actually slightly lower than what has occurred.

Michaels has been quoted by major newspapers more than 150 times in the past two years, according to a Lexis-Nexis database search. He and Lewandowski told The Associated Press that their side of global warming isn't getting out and that the donations resulted from a speech Michaels gave to the Western Business Roundtable last fall. Michaels said the money will help pay his staff.

Holdren, a Harvard environmental science and technology professor, said skeptics such as Michaels "have had attention all out of proportion to the merits of their arguments."

"Last I heard, anybody can ask a scientific question," said Michaels, who holds a Ph.D. in ecological climatology from the University of Wisconsin at Madison. "It is a very spirited discussion that requires technical response and expertise."

Other scientific fields, such as medicine, are more careful about potential conflicts of interests than the energy, environmental and chemical fields, where it doesn't raise much of an eyebrow, said Penn State University bioethicist Arthur Caplan.

Earlier this month, the Journal of the American Medical Association announced a crackdown on researchers who do not disclose drug company ties related to their research. Yet days later, the journal's editor said she had been misled because the authors of a new study had not revealed industry money they got that posed a conflict.

Three top climate scientists said they don't accept money from private groups. The same goes for the Web site, which has long criticized Michaels. "We don't get any money; we do this in our free time," said contributor Stefan Rahmstorf, an ocean physics scientist at Potsdam University in Germany.

Lewandowski, who said he believes global warming is real just not as big a problem as scientists claim, acknowledged this is a special interest issue. He said the bigger concern is his 130,000 customers, who want to keep rates low, so coal-dependent utilities need to prevent any taxes or programs that penalize fossil fuel use. He said his effort is more aimed at stopping carbon dioxide emission taxes and limits from Congress, something he believes won't happen during the Bush administration.

Martial Arts Topics / question
« on: March 16, 2006, 02:42:18 PM »
In My Humble Opinion


Martial Arts Topics / Knife vs. Baseball Bat
« on: February 07, 2006, 08:58:27 AM »
Knife should just keep baiting bat.  Bat will not want to get too close and will probably swing out of range until he tires.   Once knife is confident that bat can no longer swing hard or quickly enough he can go to work.


Martial Arts Topics / Count Dante?
« on: November 11, 2005, 07:58:00 AM »

Martial Arts Topics / Weird and/or silly
« on: November 04, 2005, 10:19:22 AM »

Court: Workers' Comp Covers Hockey Player

By SONJA BARISIC, Associated Press WriterThu Nov 3, 8:04 PM ET

A former minor-league hockey player who injured his shoulder in a fight he claimed his coach told him to start is entitled to workers' compensation, a Virginia appeals court ruled.

The Virginia Court of Appeals upheld a Virginia Workers' Compensation Commission finding that "fighting is an integral part of the game of hockey" and that Ty A. Jones' injury arose in the course of his employment as an "enforcer."

Jones' former team, the Norfolk Admirals, had argued that the fight amounted to willful misconduct and that he was not entitled to workers' compensation.

L. Steven Emmert, a leading Virginia appellate attorney and hockey fan with no connection to the case, suggested the finding Tuesday was so obvious that it does not amount to much as a legal precedent.

"This court finds that fighting is an integral part of hockey," Emmert said. "Thirty million Canadians could have told you that." But he added: "Maybe clubs will be a little more careful about sending a goon ? an enforcer ? out to thunk somebody in the head."

Jones, a right-wing power forward with the Admirals, instigated a fight with an opposing player during a game in 2002. Jones said the coach told him to "go get" the player.

Jones got hurt, and an orthopedic surgeon later put six screws in his right shoulder. The athlete wore a sling for almost six months.

In 2004, Jones was awarded workers' compensation for the seven months he underwent rehabilitation. The ruling did not give a dollar amount.

Jones played for the NHL's Chicago Blackhawks in the 1998-99 season and, after leaving the Admirals, for the Florida Panthers in 2003-04. A Panthers spokesman did not immediately return a call inquiring about Jones' whereabouts.

Admirals spokesman Alan May declined to comment. The coach at the time of Jones' injury, Trent Yawney, now coaches the Blackhawks.

"No Blackhawk coach would ever intentionally send a player out to fight with someone," said Blackhawks spokesman Jim DeMaria.

Martial Arts Topics / Wolves & Dogs
« on: June 21, 2005, 03:49:31 PM »
Quote from: Crafty_Dog

PETA Employees Face 31 Felony Animal-Cruelty Charges for Killing, Dumping Dogs

Ahoskie, NC ? Last night, one month after the launch of, two employees of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) were arrested on 31 felony animal-cruelty charges for killing and disposing of dogs and puppies in a dumpster. Today the Center for Consumer Freedom is calling on Americans to stop making donations to support PETA and its grim-reaper program.

Uh, if this actually happened, it's pretty clear that it's due to the actions of these two individuals and not official PETA policy, yet the CCF here wants all PETA donations to stop?  Curious.

A little digging reveals that this "Center for Consumer Freedom" is nothing but a front group for the tobacco, alcohol and restaurant industries.  The guy that heads it, Rick Berman, owns a PR firm in DC that represents the tobacco industry and large fast food chains among others.  It's completely untrustworthy.  Now there's an unbiased source!


Martial Arts Topics / gathering?
« on: April 13, 2005, 11:20:14 AM »

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Groaning for Philistines
« on: April 12, 2005, 11:10:04 AM »
Quote from: buzwardo
Nope. I'm done lining that boneheads pockets. Seen most of his other flicks and that was enough for me.

Though I have no respect for Moore, I do for Chris Hitchens (see the Hitchen's piece posted earlier in this thread). I note Moore has failed to accept Hitchen's invitation to chat about the film, for reasons that should be clear. Think Moore is he?? on wheels when it comes time to club baby seals in the editing suite, but can't work a room unless packed with cheering synchophants.

As that may be, I 'spose the next question will be "how can you dismiss something you haven't seen?" Tell you what, if you don't ask the question I won't waste bandwidth by listing stuff like Mein Kampf, Ishtar, The Turner Diaries and other supremicist swill, romance novels, supermarket tabloids et al ad infinitum. Lotta crap out there to dismiss out of hand; don't expect me to lose any sleep when doing so.

Sheesh!  No need to get so defensive.  It's just that it's impossible to have an intelligent discussion about certain parts of the movie, Moore's commentary, etc. if you haven't actually viewed the material.

FYI, as a fan of post-apocalyptic-ish fiction, I found The Turner Diaries fairly entertaining, though kind of juvenile and poorly written.  The racist caricatures are so over-the-top it's hilarious.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Post Script
« on: April 11, 2005, 12:21:50 PM »
Quote from: buzwardo
Michael Moore is a hukster in my book, part P.T. Barnum, part 3 card Monty dealer, part conspiracy nut.

Did you see the movie?


Martial Arts Topics / Burning Man
« on: August 10, 2004, 09:49:09 AM »
Quote from: Russ Iger
Hey Milt,

How was it?   :D


It hasn't happened yet!  We're leaving on 8/29.

For your amusement:


Martial Arts Topics / Burning Man
« on: August 06, 2004, 10:45:49 AM »

Anyone else going this year?

I'll be at Citrus Camp (Mercury and 4:30).  Stop by for a citrus-y beverage!


Martial Arts Topics / Fight video
« on: August 02, 2004, 06:12:54 PM »

Martial Arts Topics / Michael Moore's new movie
« on: July 01, 2004, 03:59:29 PM »
Hmm, does Ms. Schlussel also apply such rigorous standards to the hours of lies and distortions that Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, etc. spew each and every day on radio and TV?

Or is that level of scrutiny only for "the liberals?"


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Photo of Percy on web site
« on: July 01, 2004, 02:29:29 PM »
Gints, I was kidding!  That's Kris Dunnage.


Martial Arts Topics / Knife Fights at the DB Gathering
« on: June 23, 2004, 05:28:16 PM »
Quote from: sting
>If someone does something completely unrealistic like grabbing a knife >by the blade, the fight should be stopped immediately.

This isn't all that unrealistic.  One can safely grip the flat of the blade from the unsharpend side of a single edged blade.   You can also grab a knife
around the sharp edge of the blade, with the risk of a cut depending on
the quality of your clench (no slide, no cut), the quality of your hand protection and the quality of the knife edge (sharp, angle).  Every now and then, you meet a man with a hand grip like a vise.   They can pull these moves off more effectively.


I was thinking more of newbies that just grab the blade and try to wrestle it away from you.  In reality there'd be a bunch of vienna sausages on the floor.


Martial Arts Topics / Knife Fights at the DB Gathering
« on: June 23, 2004, 12:24:05 PM »
As the one who orignially proposed "option A," my preference is to just have both people try to cut each other without being cut (uneven exchanges).  There should be no closing and having both fighters repeatedly stabbing each other ("knife boxing").  If someone does something completely unrealistic like grabbing a knife by the blade, the fight should be stopped immediately.

If you get "cut," just back away for a second and nod (or tap or point to the place that got hit as Tom suggested) so it's not like you're just ignoring it.

It's just warm-up / target practice anyway.  I really don't care how it looks to the crowd or what they think about it.  We're not out there performing for them.  If it looks like I "lost," so be it.


Martial Arts Topics / purchase a knife
« on: June 03, 2004, 03:20:40 PM »
Well, I never said which one I'd take, I just asked the question.

Crafty, are there any circumstances under which you would take the pipe over the knife?

It seems to me that the heavier the pipe, the slower the swing/recovery and the eaiser it would be to wait for an opening and rush in with the knife.  OTOH, as the pipe gets lighter, approaching stick weight, I'd be more likely to risk eating a shot to get inside.

-Dog Milt

Martial Arts Topics / purchase a knife
« on: June 03, 2004, 10:31:40 AM »
Quote from: Crafty_Dog
Please describe EMT conduit.

Sorry, EMT (Electrical Metallic Tubing) conduit is that hollow steel (I think) tubing you can buy at most hardware stores for running electrical wiring outside or underground.  It's inexpensive.

I've got a couple of 1" (outer diameter) pieces cut to typical fighting stick length I use for weight training.  I'd say the walls are about 3/8" thick.  They weigh about three pounds each.

-Dog Milt

Martial Arts Topics / purchase a knife
« on: June 03, 2004, 09:06:25 AM »
Quote from: tom guthrie
woof, your right milt neither do i lay in bed at night and dream of slashing away at a bad guy.
However.....heres a question that kinda goes with this thread, Would being attacked by a guy with a lead pipe justify the use of a knife for self defense?
Reason for the ques. is i know a guy who got his jaw split in half tuesday night by a pipe. darnedest thing he was hit somewhere in the side of the head/face area, but his jaw split in the cleft of his chin. they put a plate across the front of his jaw to hold it together. pretty seriously broken.
Never say never milt.


Yeah, I suppose if some guy were threatening me with a lead pipe (watch out for Colonel Mustard!) I'd try to bust out my knife.  Then again, if you get hit with that pipe first...

Here's a question, in a pipe vs 3 inch blade fight, which would you rather have?  Let's assume that the pipe is EMT conduit and not lead so you can swing it faster.

Don't get me wrong, it's nice to have a knife handy if you need it.  I'm just not one these paranoid guys that have three or four knives strapped to them every time they leave the house.

-Dog Milt

Martial Arts Topics / Re: Some choices for small pocket knives
« on: June 02, 2004, 11:01:22 AM »

I carry a Benchmade Mini-AFCK.  Sometimes in my pocket, mostly in bag with a bunch of other stuff.  I'm pretty sure the blade is slightly longer than the legal limit in CA.

I have no fantasies of ever fighting with it.  I don't practice quick drawing it from my pocket or anything like that.  If some serious shit is going down and I happen to be able to get to it, great, but I think my training time is better spent practicing other techniques.

I have one of those giant fixed blade SOG SEAL knives I keep at home.

-Dog Milt

Martial Arts Topics / Respect the knife!
« on: July 07, 2003, 09:01:41 PM »
Woof Crafty,

When my group does knife sparring we treat the training knife as if it was a real knife, as I hope most people do.  We never hold it by the blade (even when just handing it to someone or picking it up off the ground) or just throw it down when the fight is over.  We try to avoid even exchanges and "knife boxing" during the fights.  It always takes a few sessions to break newbies (and even some experienced people) of the habit of just grabbing their opponent's blade when they get in close.  Similarly, you don't just rush in to get your stab in, completely ignoring the fact that your opponent just slashed you three times before you could get close enough.

When people do close, or any time both fighters are stabbing each other repeatedly, we have them back off and the fight continues.  Again, it takes a little experience to know when to back away in the heat of it all.

Anyway, my point is that at a Gathering, we're fighting a lot of people that we don't usually train with and unlike a stickfight, we're using simulated weapons and it's hard to know what "the rules" are.  Maybe you could just say a little more about this before we start on Sunday.


Martial Arts Topics / Weird and/or silly
« on: July 02, 2003, 12:11:26 PM »
Quote from: Crafty_Dog
Saudi jail inmate tells of pain and humiliation
July 1 2003
By Martin Daly

Hospital worker Robert Thomas saw six men taken from their cell to be shot during a horrific jail term in Saudi Arabia.

Mr Thomas, 56, said he was handcuffed, shackled, and survived largely on biscuits. He also said he saw fellow prisoners go insane. Mr Thomas was imprisoned on June 20 last year for a crime he said he did not commit.

His only bedding was a blanket near a hole in the ground. The hole was a toilet for 20 men.

He barely slept and was afraid of the violence he saw throughout his time in the prison.

[more desciption of prison life deleted]

Aren't these the kinds of conditions conservatives want to see in US prisons?  They're always claiming our prisons aren't tough enough.

I wonder if there's a Saudi Arabian Tossed Salad Man and is the choice still jelly vs. syrup over there...


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