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Martial Arts Topics / Re: Boxing Thread
« on: May 11, 2007, 04:19:39 PM »
If it is boxing rule's the UFC guy lose's alot of weapon's, If it is UFC rule's most boxer's will have trouble with knee's in the clinch and defending kick's, the rule's make the game.

Just a thought i would still love to see how it play's out regardless.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Cintron targets UFC titlist! -
« on: May 08, 2007, 05:53:25 PM »
Cintron targets UFC titlist!
Floyd Mayweather Jr. says he doesn't want to battle a UFC champion. No problem. IBF World Welterweight Champion and former high school/college wrestling star Kermit Cintron would like to accept the challenge from UFC President Dana White, it was announced today by Main Events CEO Kathy Duva. Cintron, who will be defending his IBF crown against mandatory challenger Walter Matthysse on July 14 in Atlantic City, NJ, would like to battle the UFC champion following his June IBF title defense. "I want the fight," said Cintron. "I can wrestle. I can box. I can beat those UFC fighters at their own game. Tell Mr. White to make me an offer and I'll take on his guy after I fight Matthysse on July 14." Cintron (27-1, 25 KO's) captured the vacant IBF crown on October 28, 2006, when he destroyed Mark Suarez in six rounds (TKO 6). The 27-year-old Reading, PA resident by way of Carolinas, Puerto Rico once finished 10th at the NJCAA Wrestling Championships. As a senior in high school he was offered full wrestling scholarships to Wisconsin University and Ohio State University. The Cintron-Matthysse bout will serve as the co-feature to the Arturo Gatti-Alfonso Gomez contest. Main Events is promoting the July 14 evening of boxing, in association with The Tournament of Contenders, LLC and Caesars Atlantic City.
Tuesday, May 8 2007

Well i never thought it would happen, If Cintron has a good wrestling base maybe this will be a good fight depending on the rule set if they go UFC rule's and he can keep it standing depending on who the UFC send's this could prove to be good, I am not sure waht weight an IBF welter weight is.

If nothing else it should be interesting.


I'm very happy to be a member of Sensei Harris' Grappling Association as well as a member of the Dog Brothers Tribe.  When I saw this thread, I was hoping to get Mr. Harris to answer.  Mr. Harris is a very good teacher with a great eye for the little details.  I hope this is okay with Guru Crafty but here is a link to Mr. Harris' response on the boards on the Harris International Website.

I have to say i agree with what Mr. Harris say's i came to martial arts by way of historic european martial arts, I now am taking BJJ for the ground work and using throw and takedowns from HEMA to get there I love talking to Guru Crafty and other's on this board because of the wealth of knowledge and realism of the contact stick fighting which is something my group(ARMA) strongly advocate's with wooden waster's and padded sparring weapon's designed to ba as close to real sword's as possible.

With all the information available through print, TV, and the internet it is a blurry line because there are certain thing's that must be done if one wish's to fight conditioning, strength training, movement and having many diffrent way's of training these they will all eventualy blend together in whatever art your base is the basic theory of that art will usualy be visible in my opinion.

Just my 2 cent's worth.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Boxing Thread
« on: May 06, 2007, 09:30:22 AM »
I don't mean to complain but was there anyone else disappointed with the quality of the event production last night?


Yea i was a little disappointed myself with the Mayweather-Da Lahoya fight, I thought the Bautista fight was more exciting, the main event seemed very slow for all the talk of how fast Da Lahoya was I didn't see it, Mayweather seemed to be lacking his normal power, I was hoping this would be a knock down drag out brawl of speed and movement, maybe my expectation's were just too high.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: 300
« on: April 14, 2007, 03:33:56 AM »
I got my rings today and put them in the weight room at the gym.  So far people LOVE them.

I have used the ring'son occasion and they are a great tool, they realy work the stabilizer muscle'swhen doing dip's, elevated push up's and such.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: 300
« on: April 12, 2007, 04:38:25 PM »
man this video gold!!! :mrgreen:

If anyone is interested here is a link to another site  that is the same type of plan as Gym Jones, Mark Twight.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Tippy-tappy drills-- threat or menace?
« on: March 15, 2007, 02:52:47 PM »

Have not posted much on this thread i have been checking on it every few day's and thinking about a few diffrent thing's in relation to drill's in general.

I think alot of folk's who do not believe in "tippy-tap" drill's or "dead pattern's" do not fully understand full speed, full contact fighting, those of us who use these type of drill's know that they are not fighting or intended to simulate fighting and the actual drill will rarely if ever appear in a real speed, real contact situation what we learn in term's of movement, hand eye coordination or pressure sensitivity are the real heart of the drill.

The more familiar we become with our movement, our pressure, our distance and that of our opponent is what we then attempt to translate in the adrenal state of real contact, real speed, even learning these through use of a drill can take long while depending on the student, so trying to learn it by doing thing's at real speed all the time is somewhat ludicrous we can supplement the drill with real speed occasionally to become more comfortable and see what it is like in a more realistic manner the drill/dead pattern still has it's place in our training, Boxer shadow box, in WMA/HEMA we do flourysh's with the sword(abstract cutting drill akin to shadow boxing), but we do not do these to exclusion, when i was in the Marine corps we did IA drill's(Immediate action) so that if our gun jammed in a fire fight we could quickly determine what was wrong and correct it with out much thought, I see most of the drill's having benefit when taken in the right context.

Just my 2cent's worth.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Calling all female fighters
« on: March 09, 2007, 04:06:50 PM »
welcome aboard anna.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Tippy-tappy drills-- threat or menace?
« on: February 25, 2007, 10:58:13 AM »
Hello all

I probably haven't done as much sparring/fighting as some of the Dog Brother's, I have done quit abit of it in my historic Euro MA(pretty much once a week) using wooden waster's and padded weapon's for full speed full contact we do not do alot of drill's though(which i am working on changing) so i am kind of looking at it from the opposite end of the spectrum.

Around this point some of them begin muttering about tippy tappy drills, when the real issue IMHO is that they lack the science of entering and striking and/or the science of entering and closing.  In DBMA this is where we use the concept of the Triangle from the Third Dimension, Attacking Blocks, Snaggletooth Variations, Los Triques and Dos Triques, etc.  These are the portals into the dimension where the skills cultivated in medio and corto range isolation drills are expressed.

I do see alot of value in drill's because they do teach certain thing's quicker than "fighting", like Guro "Crafty" said I think people do not assimilate the fact that the principle's of the drill are for use in this/that type of situation and may not be exactly like the drill ie a nice clean block/deflection because the opponent did somethign that freaked you out just as you were going to strike so you have to make a small adjustment, The drill will teach you how to do certain thing's when in certain situation's.

Boxer's drill on a constant basis, in my mind standing hitting a heavy bag is a drill ie footwork, jab, hook, cross, striaght R/L, uppercut and on and on then they get into the ring with a sparring partner and sparr at 40%, 50%, 60%, or whatever, the objective in the sparring ring is not to knock out your sparring partner it is to work on whatever you need to work on while trying to not be hit and hitting back using all the above.

I think in alot of respect's it is in our own mind and how we perceive the intent behind the drill whether what we learn from it can be brought in to play or not, I am not about alot of mystical mumbo jumbo and it has been my experience that alot of people in there mind think MA are complicated and some sort of mystical crap and in reality it is simply the axiom of the DB "higher consciousness through harder contact" because evetualy you get tired of being hit and one of two thing's hapen you either figure out how to use what the drill's taught you or you pack up and go home for good.

I think the right context  the "tippy tappy drill's" do have there place just as the "dead pattern's" do and it is up to us to know when they are to be brought to bear in a fight.


Martial Arts Topics / Unity of spirit
« on: February 24, 2007, 03:25:10 PM »

I was looking over the "tippy tappy drill's" thread and was thinking about the few month's i have been on the DBMA forum not being an FMA practioner just a Martial artist and just wanted to say how much i enjoy the reasonable and educated discussion's that are had here.

I especialy want to thank Guro "Crafty" and Pretty kitty for all there work on it.

This forum has got to have some of the best educated and friendliest Martial artist of any forum i have been to on the net.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Are there Knights?
« on: February 22, 2007, 03:55:19 PM »
This is a great thread with many people expressing relevant and thought provoking ideas.  The ideal of a knight versus the actual reality of knights has already been explored in this thread.  What strikes me about this topic is how much of human fiction is devoted to archetypal warrior characters.  I am writing about fiction, not history because fiction often shows us what human beings strive to be in light of reality.  A knight, a samurai, a Shaolin monk, an ignorant white man who learns warrior ways from another culture, a Jedi, etc., all have to do with an ideal warrior-intellectual who demonstrates for those around him what the best life path is.

It can often be inferred from these works that contain characters like this that the warrior knows their wisdom has come with a hard price.  The warrior-character usually waits for the days when they can move on to the next stage of life/manhood.  What is so troubling about real-life contemporary, archetypal villains (criminals, violent drug-addicts, gang members, etc.) is that they exhibit no signs of revering life and they do not give any thought to the future.  There is no "next stage" for them, whereas the warrior archetype from fiction is often waiting for "the war to end", or for "the fighting to stop" so that they can assume an elder/King/sage sort of roll. 

It strikes me that we have many templates for what could be a well-lived life available here in this thread.  Most of them seem to contain a warrior stage that comes fairly early on in the various progressions.  The progressions all seem to move from those stages to some sort of a father-figure/adviser roll.  In the DBMA logo, "heart" is on the top of the triangle.  In the Inosanto/LaCoste FMA triangle, love is at the top.  This is the same thing.  The healing arts are the last phase of FMA in Guru Inosanto's FMA progression.  ALL of these life templates are leading the warrior to the same place: being a guide/father/King/adviser/sage/healer who is loved and respected for having walked the path and now improving the world around him by guiding the youth through the same process.

It has already been articulately expressed in this thread that ideals for how to live life are usually met with skepticism in our culture and how unfortunate that is.  If we can have the courage to strap on fencing masks and hit one another with sticks to cultivate the warrior spirit, can we have the courage to say that we want to use martial art, or martial philosophy, or a martial experience/life to try and make the world a better place?  I already know how naive that last sentence must read as but it only reads as such because of cultural cynicism.  Do we have the courage to try and be a modern-day knight, Jedi, samurai, etc.?  If we can do that, it just may be that our world-wide dream for the world to be a good place, as demonstrated in fiction, might actually start to catch up with our reality.

Dog Bryan

Actualy you have brought something to the forefront of my mind, I spent 6 year's as a US Marine and a few year's ago i read a book based on a journalist experience having traveled with the Marines(Making the Corps), what he noticed was 19, 20, 21 year old's who would lead a patrol and be out 4 -5 hour's among "Bad Guy's" and then when they returned would play with the children and share there food in what ever place they were and he said it made him wonder how these "Kid's" were capable of a full on combat mindset one minute and gentle playfulness with children a few minute's after returning, so he decided to follow a Platoon through boot camp and into the fleet Marine Force.

Having traveled this path myself I have seen many young professional warrior's who were very Gung ho and as they got older and matured as professional's learned to be a "father figure" to the younger Marine's and knew it was there responsibility to guide and teach them how to not only be good Marine's but also good people.

I think as we age and mature when faced with our own mortality we tend to see thing's a little diffrently.

Just another thought.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Tippy-tappy drills-- threat or menace?
« on: February 21, 2007, 02:42:34 PM »
Well in HEMA we generaly stab, so i am not commenting at the moment just waiting to see where this goes should be interesting.


Hey who is that young guy in the picture?  :-o


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Are there Knights?
« on: February 16, 2007, 03:39:16 PM »

This is what i think when i think of how a knight act's, this is an excerpt from Hans Talhoffer's 1459 edition of his fight manual, For those who do not know who Hans Talhoffer is he was a Swabian(Germany) Knight in the 15th century and wrote a few fighting manual's.

Not all of these are what would be considered as good reason's for fighting in the modern world.

" (8r)  Here finds one written of fighting – Thus what now be decreed as forbidden of all fighters.     So by and by, it has become the custom of emperors and kings, princes and lords, to whom one likens himself and emulates, that one is obliged to fight, especially regarding several causes and articles which are written down hereafter.

Yet firstly this – Nobody is happy when one of his comrades cuts up his honour with loud words. He who would have at dueling with such a comrade, indeed he is within his rights and may well-fight him if he would. Thus dueling is wantonness ~

Now those aforesaid causes and articles are seven, wherefor a man has duty to fight:

Thus the first is murder.

The second is treason.

The third is heresy.

The fourth is becoming an urger of disloyalty to one’s lord.

The fifth is betrayal in strife or otherwise.

The sixth is fal sehood.

The seventh is using either a maiden or lady.

That is why one man challenges another to duel.   Such a man shall come before court and shall lay down his case through his own advocacy.   Therefor he who accuses shall name the man by baptized name and surname.   At the appointed hour it is right that he who calls for the tribunal also complains to three tribunes after the accused comes – unless either one comes not and answers for himself.   Yet nobody of one’s ilk may do so, for truly one may answer better for himself."


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Are there Knights?
« on: February 16, 2007, 03:10:59 PM »

I would need to know what you mean by "knight", I am a WMA, HEMA(Historic Euro. Martial arts) practioner/researcher/scholar and in alot of Historic account's of "knight's" they were usualy not real nice guy's in the way we would think a "knight" should be.

Now if you mean "knight" in the context of the Arthurian/chivalric type of definition then we are talking something diffrent from the historic norm of the true "knight", this is something that came about later in history after the Feudal era in Europe had passed.

I think you need to define what we are talking.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Euro Martial Arts
« on: February 09, 2007, 02:52:00 AM »
any weapons are acceptable if the fighters agree to it (see the threads on tasers and cattle prods). although fighting against a 3 pound piece of wood seems quite intimidating...

Yea that is much heavier than your eskrima stick's, I know i would not want to be on the receiving end of a full speed strike from one of our waster's, I could do the same thing with a stick though.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Euro Martial Arts
« on: February 08, 2007, 03:35:37 PM »

As far as stage fighting most of the big fight director's are taught sport/Olympic fencing which is a far cry from what was done historicly, There are actualy refrence's to traveling show's in manual's written in the 15th century the German's commonly refered to them as kloppfechter's roughly translated it mean's clown fighter, I wish more fight director's choreographer's would use real historic technique's.

In kingdom of heaven alot of Euro practioner's were surprised by the Posta di Falcona gaurd because it is a real gaurd in the system of Fillipo Vadi, it went down hill after that though.

Maybe i should join you folk's in a gathering and do a little stick and buckler work, I doubt a "sword"(wooden waster) would be a good idea seeing how much more mass it has if someone where hit too hard with it that would not be good.

I have thought about coming to a gathering before just didn't know of an acceptable weapon, maybe stick and buckler wood be the way to go.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Euro Martial Arts
« on: February 07, 2007, 01:27:02 PM »
Hey Mike

I was an ARMA member for 2 year's and still practice weekly with the local group, ARMA use's 4 tool's to train wooden waster's(similar to shanai, they were used historicly) for drill's and light sparring, blunt steel also for light sparring and drill's, sharp steel for actual cutting, and padded weapon's for full speed and full contact sparring.

There are 2 way's to approach fighting with a sword armoured and unarmoured and the technique's for armoured can be used against someone unarmoured but not the other way around, when armoured it is rare to see a cut, or slice, it is mostly halfsword work where one hand is on the hilt the other hold's the blade about half way up this is to facilitate throwing your opponent and getting the point into the joint's of the armour, a cut has little or no effect on plate armour.

The SCA is very artifical in there ruleset, When we spar in ARMA it is pretty all out we throw each other and hit pretty hard we do use the "honor" system though as to if the hit was a debilatating hit or not such as this:

 this was done with a wooden waster and I am pretty sure in a real sword fight i would have lost my right hand.

this is a 3 day old bruise from a thrust to my chest


which bent a fiberglass rapier simulator about 2 inch's so i am pretty sure that would have been bad also, I know this because i have test cut and thrust with accurate replica weapon's on meat and bone to get a good idea of what it take's to go through flesh.

I am a big proponent of training as realisticly as possible, that is one problem we face in HEMA the fact that we can never realy be absolutely sure whether it would work, because it is impossible for us to get into a real sword fight we can test our unarmed though because we can grapple/wrestle in a pretty rela enviroment which my gorup does on a fairly regular basis.

that is one thing with HEMA there is a plethora of manual's both armed and unarmed, if people have an interest it is out there for us, that is one of the thing's that brought me to the DB was the realistic training and acceptance of so many diffrent art's.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Euro Martial Arts
« on: February 01, 2007, 02:12:00 PM »
Hey Christian, Roberto

I think even looking at the Manual's of Germany, Italy and Spain from 1250 until 1600, they have a certain flavor, In the german Longsword they seem vary grounded, solid, hard hitting, and the Italian seem's very fluid, quick in and out, almost like a dance, then the Italian and Spanish rapier is more of a Long slender thrusting only weapon for civil self defense and German rapier is more of a cut and thrust weapon.

I study mainly the old German manual's so i could be wrong, It is all good stuff.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Euro Martial Arts
« on: January 26, 2007, 05:15:48 PM »

I think alot of people get intimidated by knife sparring, and rightfuly so, I am not much of a defensive fighter I try to protect myself while attacking, It seem's like alot of people attack and are thinking about not getting hit and so lack any protection and so only half heartedly attack because they fear committing to the attack because they will get hit.

I have also seen this in Longsword(hand and a half sword), that roof gaurd/hanging gaurd is a great gaurd for sword's it realy give's a very powerful followup cut i would imagine it facilitate's a powerful stick strike also because the power from the incoming blow can be added to your own power, that mystical energy redirection that is so prevelant in most MA.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Euro Martial Arts
« on: January 23, 2007, 04:42:47 PM »
Hi Marc,

thank you for that translation.

It worked very good for me, but I have to admit that I fought knife at the Gathering with a student/training partner of mine so there was nothing unexpected neither for him nor for me.

But on different sparring meetings, trainings etc. I have also tried it with people that I didn´t knew before and there too, it worked.



Sorry about that phrasing, I have heard and seen a few people who have problem's using European knife technique's, I use them(HEMA is my main area of study) and have realy not had much problem either.

The thing i see in most knife sparring is people never make a real commited attack.

I'll have to get some knife sparring on Video.


cattle prods:

Thank's man I might need to get a couple of those?


Are those mini cattle prod's or stun gun's?

Bet the adrenaline was flowing for that.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Euro Martial Arts
« on: January 20, 2007, 05:18:36 PM »
A friend of mine, Roberto Laura, is exploring and teaching a lot of italian fighting systems: (sorry, there is no English version) great stuff. I have used it at the Bern Gathering in the "warmup" knife fight.


Hey Christian

Wjat is your take on it from the Bern gathering?

Have you been able to use it in any other sparring?


Martial Arts Topics / Re: WHERE IS THE FOOTWORK!?!
« on: December 31, 2006, 05:39:25 PM »
One thing in my mind that has always bothered me is to watch allot of good wrestler's who enter the cage and they take up BJJ for submission's and lose allot of the wrestling footwork/movement and philosophy of control when in the clich or on the ground.

Unless we see more money paid out to fighter's i doubt we will ever see any really compatent boxer's(professional) in the cage, the potential payday is just not the same as in professional boxing.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: WHERE IS THE FOOTWORK!?!
« on: December 30, 2006, 05:18:08 PM »
Maybe it has something to do with the fighters having the shoot and take down so prominently on their minds.   The striker is worried about defending against the shoot and has his sprawl all set to go.  So he doesn't want to be caught in the middle of a footwork pattern or with his feet close together.   The grappler is looking for a gap in the striker's defense so he can shoot in suddenly.  So he isn't moving around a lot as he stalks his prey. 


Hey Keith

I see were you are coming from, I do not really agree I do see your point though.

I think alot of it is the fact that the wrestler's, BJJ guy's tend to stay out of striking range and the striker's tend to stay out of shooting range, which is the same range, if you cannot hit the guy with a jab you are to far out to shoot and alot of the wrestler's, BJJ aficionado's tend to stay out of striking range, so they can stand more flat footed.

I have recently been training in BJJ and have seen little on footwork, the main emphasis has been on ground work, I have been studying Historic European Martial art's for about 3-4 year's now and it consist of mainly sword work and wrestling so footwork is something i am very aware of mine is not the best i am always trying to improve it though.

I see alot of our new guy's who in the heat of the moment are so focused on not getting hit they totally forget about there footwork i think in some respect's this is the case in MMA also when you think in the term's of not getting hit(knocked out) you are to defensive and not trying to get into a position to end the fight instead you are just trying to survive the attack in any manner you can good or bad.

Just my 2 cent's worth.


« on: December 20, 2006, 06:32:51 PM »

The Clubbell is designed such that the knob of the Clubbell screws into the neck of the Clubbell. As I understand it the screw itself is apparently called a zert. I took the 20 lb. Clubbell that had the severely canted knob, and I unscrewed it. It was then that I noticed that the zert itself was severely bent. The bend in the zert is what caused the knob to appear so severely canted. One does not have to be a rocket science to conceptualize that the ¼” zert is not capable of handling the tremendous physical forces that are brought to bear upon the knob/neck junction of the Clubbell.

Actualy this does not surprise.

I am a Historic European Martial artist and we noticed this very early on with alot of the lower end sword's that have screw on pommel's, your knob and zert, just swinging a two pound sword with any force/speed tended to bend the tang (zert) and they were alway's coming loose because of the twisting motion on the handle, much like you do with a clubbell, the higher end sword's that are being produced now from the old design's have what is called a peened on pommel were the pommel is wedge down onto a wedge shaped tang and then the piece sticking out is heated and pounded down to fasten the pommel to the tang.

I would be willing to bet they could also do something of this nature, gradualy tapering tang and peened over pommel.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Possible Spanish influence on FMA re-revisited...
« on: December 18, 2006, 06:58:42 PM »
Hey Raf

I am not real up on the history of Spain, I tend to concentrate on German, English, French, so your post was educational to me as well and did bring some good point's to mind, about the muslim's fight on the side of the Fillipino's.

One common thing concerning friar's in general there were quit a few fighting men who retired to the clergy, the earliest know Euro. fighting manual is actualy of a priest teaching someone how to fight with sword and buckler, toward the end of the manual he is teaching a woman.

I bet alot of you folk's would recognize some of the technique's.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Possible Spanish influence on FMA re-revisited...
« on: December 09, 2006, 04:42:27 PM »
Hey Rafael

That actualy does not surprise me considering the Muslim's were in/ almost in Spain at the time of the crusade's, so even 400 year's later it does not surprise me that the Spanish had muslim cleric's among there "rank's", I do find it interesting though that they were fighting with Arabic/persian type of weapon's at this time.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Panantukan & Kali Tudo
« on: November 26, 2006, 09:35:14 AM »
Guru Crafty

Thank's very interesting discussion's and some good link's, I alway's fin dthe discussion of history of and in a martial art fascinating.

I wonder how much of the FMA method/thinking was actualy taken back to spain and influenced there fighting method.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: FMA Footwork for Context-Based Gunfighting
« on: November 24, 2006, 07:50:51 AM »
Please forgive my arrogance, this is exactly why I have set up the Kali Fence as I have and why Gabe has integrated it into his teaching-- it predisposes the body to react correctly.

No need to excuse anything, I do not see arrogance just a valid and sensible reason as to why you do what you do.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: FMA Footwork for Context-Based Gunfighting
« on: November 24, 2006, 05:35:44 AM »
I just returned from a Gunfight Course in casa Grande, AZ.  This is approximately the sixth or seventh time we have taught the Kali Fence and False Lead, and Kali/DB footwork learned from crafty in conjunction with FOF.

One of the things we constantly struggled with was that students with poorly developed footwork skills would tend to backpedal when pressured.  This invariably led to falling backward and getting smoked by the attacker while they either tried to regain balance or after their head bounced from the fall.

The thing I have immediately noticed is that beginning in the False Lead/Kali Fence sets you up for angular forward movement (which has shown to be the most adventageous in the close gunfight drill).  Conversely, this starting position makes it exceedingly difficult to back pedal as the feet are not positioned to facilitate this.

I am seeing normally slow students, lacking in agility, now able to get off the X to the defense angles and get shots on their attackers.  It is truly a joy to see.

I am constantly amazed at how in any martial art footwork is so important and is usualy the first thing to go down the crapper in a high stress situation, I have been trying to work on this myself.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Panantukan & Kali Tudo
« on: November 24, 2006, 05:26:16 AM »
  I love the way that the FMA empty-hand material is grafted so effectively onto a western boxing base.   I recently purchased and have worked thru the Kali Tudo videos and was impressed with the content.  I'm looking to more installments in this series!   Having also seen and worked on the stick material, I know that the dog brother approach to some extent is to take the "traditional" drills and training methods and put them into the crucible of the fight and see what shakes out.   I've been impressed with the training drills that are presented on the stick videos that are obviously a "been there and done that" summary of what works.   So my question is this......


I have often wondered how the Spanish influence of Historic Euro. Martial art's influence the unarmed and stick of FMA, It was common practice to use single stick to practice for single sword and the boxing relationship is a in my mind a definate possibility.

If i remember correctly China also colonized PI before the Spanish, so there is probably quit abit of crossover with thing's such as China's combat wrestling Chiau Chiou(SP?), I am not a real knowledgable person on FMA my limited knowledge is based on Euro. history, I do think it is interesting to see How much of what the DBMA does look's alot like Historic Euro. martial art's with the attacking block's, footwork and such.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Interesting Knife Fight
« on: November 18, 2006, 02:00:08 PM »
Hey Guru Crafty

At 38 second's one of the PT's get stabbed on his front left side, It appear's he didn't know the SA had the knife at 42 the TS had him somewhat restrained his knife hand was still in play though so it appear's they didn't realize he had the knife either, the PT look's like he was surprised by the first stab he backed up and is looking at his shirt like he didn't know what happened.

It look's like when the TS let's him go he then realize's the SA has a knife he somewhat tries to back people away from the SA.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Boxing Thread
« on: November 17, 2006, 04:09:46 PM »
any predictions for the pac-morales fight?

I like pacman for this one, something about Pacman's style appeal's to me.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Interesting Knife Fight
« on: November 17, 2006, 04:03:13 PM »
Am i missing something, It looked like a fist fight to me i did not see the use of a knife.

One thing i noticed readily though is how many time's people ended up on the floor either slipping or getting knocked down.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Oscar-Floyd is on for May 5!
« on: November 16, 2006, 01:51:49 PM »
:mrgreen:Oscar-Floyd is on for May 5! :mrgreen:
By Karl Freitag
Oscar De La Hoya and Floyd Mayweather have reached an agreement to fight on May 5. The fight was finalized today. The bout will be promoted by Golden Boy Promotions. "We are not going to comment what the deal is," Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer told "It's a fair deal and if the pay-per-view hits the numbers which we anticipate it will, it will be new record payday for both guys.....It's going to be big. It's clearly the biggest fight in boxing and I think it's the kind of fight which will transcend and which will clearly capture the interest of the American public and the American sports fans, because it is Mayweather pound-for-pound number one fighter in the sport against Oscar, the most popular and biggest name in the sport. Actually I was looking today at Oscar's trophy case in our office and I was standing in front of one of the belts which was a ring belt that had 'Oscar De La Hoya, pound for pound' on it, and it was 1997. So here we are ten years later and the question is, can he do it again?"

"Oscar realizes this is a dangerous fight," continued Schaefer. "He realizes that he's going in as the underdog, but this is what exactly motivates him, this is what gets him going, this is what he is about and what his entire career is all about. Always going for the biggest challenges. I think that's what his active career was and that's what he'll be remembered for. The guy who always took on the biggest and the best."
Monday, November 13 2006

I think this is going to be a good fight i like Mayweather.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Thrust with a staff/ lack there of
« on: November 15, 2006, 02:58:06 AM »
Is this due to a spear-based history of the method?

Hey Guro Crafty

I see alot of thrusting with most European weapon's, I have spent a majority of my time on Longsword(hand and a half sword) and surprisingly there is also alot of thrusting in the German system with that weapon also when, I think it is mainly due to the fact that it is easy to threaten with a thrust, and the thrusrt is also faster.

There are a few old manuscript's though that say the staff and spear is the ultimate weapon so it could very well be due to the fact that the spear was so prevelant on the battle field.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Thrust with a staff/ lack there of
« on: November 13, 2006, 03:24:28 PM »
Hey Guro Crafty

We use 6'-7'  and normaly we hold them with the right hand about 6" from the butt and the left hand about two feet in front of the right hand, this will vary though in a fight.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Thrust with a staff/ lack there of
« on: November 13, 2006, 02:52:49 PM »
Woof Jeff:

Thrusting certainly plays an important role in FMA staff in general and in DBMA staff in particular. 

I agree that one fight, or even a couple of fights, is not a sufficient data base from which to draw a conclusion.  That said, in our fights where one or both men have a staff, there has not been much thrusting.  Generally, what seems to happen to thrusts is that the staff gets hit during the thurst, which knocks it badly off-course and momentarily out of control.  Indeed, in my first staff fight when my opponent tried thrusting me, my simultaneous counterstrike disarmed him completely.  (A very cool moment for me-- Just seconds before, a friend in the crowd had just called out "C'mon Marc Denny-- This is your house!" and then bam!)

I began staff fighting towards the end of my fighting days, but my sense of things is that with a bit more time I would have figured out to apply staffs on second or third motions of an exchange.  Right now I suspect the problem is that people trying for Single Direct Attacks with thrusts.

Staff fights are scary things because the staff is scary powerful and scary deceptive.   I am working on preparing DBMA fighters who will apply further the understandings that I started with.  It can be tough finding opponents.

The WMA thing is very interesting.   Some of our Euro members have good background in this and I look forward to the contributions that they will bring to all of this.

Guro Crafty

PS:  The thrusts in our aforementioned DBMA Staff DVD are shown more as part of a fighting self-defense structure "Keep the neighborhood Tank Abbot off of you" i.e. a big mean angry fcuk vs. ordinary citizen with a small light staff. 

Guro Crafty

The Euro.(Med./Ren.) staff's were generaly longer than the one's you use so are somewhat slower, a thrust with a staff is not usualy going to be a fight ender it can setup other thing's which you probably already know.

It has also been my expierence that the staff does get hit alot when used to thrust and foot work become's of the utmost importance  to avoid getting your skull cracked, In our staff work we use a concept/principal called changing through when the staff get's struck, which basicly is just when it is hit you go somewhat soft and just pull around his blow in a small circle and continue on, it is much easier to demo. than describe i know you understand the principal of soft and hard(weak and soft, weak and hard) .

I do appreciate the time.


Martial Arts Topics / Thrust with a staff/ lack there of
« on: November 06, 2006, 04:13:16 PM »
Hi folk's

I was in a discussion on another forum about The Dog brother's staff work, the video on the site was linked, and the question came up about why there wasn't much thrusting with the Phillipino staff, now me being a student of Ren./Med. martial art's figured it was there just not used much, other's think it is because it is in effective in a real fight, I have used thrust with success in sparring with our wooden longsword simulator's and padded sparring simulator's which are about the same length and it is used quit frequently in Ren./Med. staff work with 6-7' staff's.

So i am wondering how prevelant thrust are to Phillipino staff work and how often is it used in your fight's, one fight on video doesn't realy tell the whole story and I do not have much if any knowledge of Phillipino staff work.


Assuming all goes well with Spike, they will shoot through the Fall Gathering, do some post Gathering interviews, then edit.  The webisodes should appear on their website around January.

I am just being impatient, I know all these thing's take time.

I am looking forward to this, I so enjoy watching people who train for real and not just give it lip service.


I am anxiously awaiting there release, wish they would a little faster.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: La Canne
« on: October 06, 2006, 07:46:34 AM »

There are a couple of European stick type art's mostly based as practice for some sort of sword play, most European martial art's have not survived as such most have become boxing, wrestling, sport fencing and such which have a very limited value as martial art's.

Which is a shame.

Here is a little document on singlestick and broadsword practice written in 1790 might be of interest.



I am not an FMA practioner, My love is Historic European martial art's, I have told many people about your pack of Dog's and think the work you guy's are doing is fantastic there is so much crap out there in Martial art's, hopefuly this will help to raise awareness of what Martial art's is realy about which is being capable of defending yourself and loved one's and the country itself from all the idiot's out roaming the street's of our great country.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Our Environment
« on: September 23, 2006, 07:30:11 AM »
You know i just cannot buy this whole global warming thing, I'm not the smartest guy in the world or the best educated I have no college degree just a simple Hih school diploma, If i recall correctly we have only recorded weather data for a couple hundred year's so how can any scientist prove that it is warmer now than 600 year's ago, there is alot of anecdotal evidence that goes both way for hundred's of year's, glacier growing and receding, certain type's of wine grape's that need a warmer climate than England have been grown there for long enough time to establish a vineyard, and then the climate changed again and they no longer grow there too cold once again.

It is just so hard for me to believe when all the evidence is considered.

I agree we need to take care of our planet/enviroment i just think there are those who have an agenda, i know i do at least to one extent or another, maybe not personal gain or world wide fame, my agend is to live the way i want too, it is an agenda though and it does color the way i think and do thing's so i would take what the "expert's" say with a grain of salt and go look at all the evidence before taking what the "expert's" say as gospel truth.

Just MO.


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Fight Science On National Geographic
« on: September 08, 2006, 10:06:03 AM »
Most of the main people the Wushu, TKD, the girl with the staff, were the same people from th XMA show on discovery, so although i found it interesting, I would not trust the "science" behind it.

I consider it about the same as the XMA show, interesting to watch nothing more than a fairly pleasent distraction.


Any idea when these are supposed to air, ?


Martial Arts Topics / Re: Fight Science On National Geographic
« on: August 19, 2006, 08:30:18 AM »
I don't know. XMA was such a disappointment and this seems to be in the same vein. I am interested in the addition of BJJ and FMA this  time around.

Unfortunately, I tend to check out when I see or hear the following:

1) Guys yelling and breaking bricks
2) See the words "Dim Mak, or Ninja Death Punch"

Maybe my years in film production have jaded me  ;)

Oh come on yea gotta love the good love Dim Mak.   :lol:


Martial Arts Topics / Re: The Tradition and Culture Thread
« on: August 18, 2006, 10:42:36 PM »
Have you had a chance to watch "Knife Ruminations" and "Rambling Ruminations"?

Yep as a matter of fact i have and i agree.


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