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If I mistake by choosing the overhook after my flying roof.
Could I switch my overhook into an underhook with my free hand (as wrestling pummeling) ?
Maybe i can unbalance the opponent’s structure by staying on my dominant side with head control. Just an assumption.
I’ve let Guro Lonely know of your question here.
just watched the vid the first time. i like PG crafty’s point of the FH redondo!
to be low enough and on your weapon side with your weaponarm while closing is important – you have to be ready for a good underhook (with headposition/legpenetration on the same side).
on the other side you have the choice of:
– bicep control
– over hook
– wrist control
with these versions you ensure good weapon (opponents) control
i do only double under hooks without the wall (clear space) and when i’m 100% confident of the takedown.
Thank you both you 🙂
Glad to see someone taking advantage of this footage and commenting here 🙂
Thank you, i think is more clear in my mind now. So cool to ask directly to teachers. :p
I try to make a pattern. So i fonctionnalize both entries (one with overhook and another one with underhook) on my heavy bag to work coordination and compare sensations. That’s force myself to present my head first at the moment of contact. Of course my good hand first and then my very good hand. 😉
The goal is to keep advantage from the wall. The underhooked entry offer 4 attachment points (head, underhook, inside the elbow, knee). The pinning is maximized in this way then we can destructure the opponent.
The overhooked entry get the advantage to keep pressure forward while walking. So that’s maintain the opponent’s mind focused on balance regaining and not fighting?
Maybe overhooked entry is more appropriate for situations without wall ?
The overhooked entry is more intinsctive for me because i practiced it more often and also i focused a lot on sticked-arm control. My priority was to control the sticked-arm as soon possible to avoid legs shots as i noticed during gatherings.
I like to use flying roof combined with an upward thrust and a malayu to avoid my stick jammed.
So i guess the priority in both cases is to get an entry well structured with a good head placement first (Stick clinch Unit 1 and Cycle drills Unit 9) then a stick control.
You are quite correct to note the importance of head position! As Rico Chiparrelli said to me “Define centerline with your head!” There is much wisdom in this!
For me the Over Hook is definitely more intuitive in the context of RSCFg. I would also add that our principle of “consistency across categories” draws attention to the fact that as part of protecting our head this is what we most likely will need to do in our absence of a stick– i.e. the near arm will shear its way.
I recognize that in pure grappling and MMA the Under Hook is considered preferable, but in the context of DLO/weapons additional considerations come into play.
If the Problem has not yet accessed weapons, the Under Hook probably will serve better in making it harder for the Problem to get to weapons somewhere on his waist or in his pockets.
On the other hand, if he already has a knife in hand, the Under Hook may allow for unhealthy access to your neck or somewhere on your head!
Worth noting as well is that the converse is true– the Over Hook may well allow us access to his neck/throat, face, head.
This can be a very big deal in DLO! Access to the windpipe, seizing the mastoid muscles, penetrating the ear, soft areas of the neck with a stiff thumb, and related tactics can be intensely relevant!
As was explored at the DBMA Camp this past weekend “the Rico” lends itself well to such things. This material we call “the Dirty Rico”.
So pros and cons are linked to context (nature of weapon, opponent’s size, environment…)
Very interesting details with DLO and RCSF areas. Thanks 😉
Well, I really need to have a plan.
My friend Southnark’s material overlaps in many ways with DBMA Tactical Clinch, though there are some important differences too.
This clip will help you recognize some of the issues:
I like his minimalist approach.
I’m not advanced in street context, but I think in DLO the dog catcher is used when opponent had already access to his weapon, especially while a frenetic assault happen (sawing machine if I remember well), then we search to access to opponent’s back as soon possible to be in safer position.
Of course when we are undergo an underhook is really hard to escape and here priority is blade.
So if I understood well, he takes advantage over the opponent by an arm drag to break structure combined with an overhook.
” I think in DLO the dog catcher is used when opponent had already access to his weapon, , ,”
Ummm , , , No. 😀
In DBMA theory we seek “consistency across categories”; the idea being we have but one idiom of movement regardless of whether we are empty hand or DLO with part of the idea being that in DLO we will not have time to discern whether there is a weapon or not and download a distinct response accordingly. With one idiom of movement our response is simply to the angle of attack– which is classic Kali theory.
With regard to the DC we have specific training progressions to install using the DC in MMA.
well, I understand better now the philosophy of “consistency across categories” 😉
I’m curious to discover the dog catcher variation for MMA.
these are topnotch instructional videos
I just used the search function to look for using the Dog Catcher in Kali Tudo MMA and found only reference to it but no actual description, so I head now over to the forum to rectify this.
thanks 🙂 woof woof
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